Do you think that toning down the grim tone to a more hopeful one is the right direction?
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What do you think that Warhammer 40k is going from grimdark to nobledark?
Because "lol it's all shit" get tiresome after forty years.
Then go to pretty much any other setting, why take from Warhammer the one thing that makes it relatively unique?
Because it was not that at the beginning?
It became that during the 90s following the general trend towards edgy content, whereas before, it was parody and absurdist?
This is the exact kind of person who should not be talking; you only know what 40k was when you heard of it, after it already lost it's soul.
Because it always was. Warhammer was always grimdark, secondary scum.
Read Rogue Trader.
>moron who has never read the rogue trader rulebook .t
Because fighting to the last man in an almost vein attempt all just to have the slimmest chance at victory is more interesting than "lol chaos always wins in the end they are immortal time gods and every single other faction loses no matter literally what" In rogue trader humanity had a way to permanently destroy every single one of its enemies. That was always the intent from Rick himself from the start.
In modern 40k every faction has a way to "win" they're all at each others throats and victory is seemingly possible for anyone. Tyranids can devour the galaxy and snuff out the warp, Necrons can seal off the warp permanently, humanity can maybe revive the emperor, Chaos can overrun the imperium, Orks can finally unite and crush everyone, the Eldar can revive Ynnead and slay slaanesh.
>i le read the RT, i am le very clever
Did YOU read Rogue Trader? its fricking goofy nonsense anon. Far lighter tone than what it became in the 90's.
>dude le RT was le goofy
Not even a subtle samegayging
>the same homosexual that has been spamming the exact same thing since 2017 in every 40k thread
jfc you are the biggest loser in this sites history.
>Inquisitor Obiwan Sherlock Cluseau is the peak of realism and grim darkness
>dark fantasy setting
>realism
What are you implying?
>D00d Rogue Trader wasn't grimdark because... LE SILLY NAMES
>t. morons who clearly never opened it
>.t moron who doesn't know what a parody is
You keep using that word, I don't think you know what it means.
>RT was goofy and noble bright
>before, it was parody and absurdist?
Absurdist yes, but parody not really. 40k is heavily inspired by (to put it charitably; you could also say "ripped off wholesale", though that's not entirely fair either) AD2000 comics like Judge Dredd and Nemesis the Warlock, and in the RT era had exactly the same kind of feel. Most AD2000 series have a setting that's bleak as hell but also throw in dumb jokes and absurd things that still get played completely straight in-universe. It's not so much a parody of anything (though some individual stories did parody other properties popular at the time) as it's own specific kind of humor.
Take Judge Dredd, the single most famous AD2000 property. The setting is a post-apocalyptic dystopia where most of the United States has been reduced to a radioactive wasteland and the surviving population lives in a handful of huge mega-cities run by a draconian police state (in the most literal sense, as the police are also the ones running the entire government). The main character is a faceless enforcer of the system who doesn't care whether laws are moral or not, just that they're obeyed to the letter (a classic Dredd ending gag is that after arresting the criminal he also throws the victim into jail for having technically committed some minor crime in the process of being mugged/kidnapped/whatever). Over the years the comic has had some genuinely high-stakes and dark storylines, like a nuclear war between the US and Soviet mega-cities leaving billions dead or demonic judges from another dimension invading and slaughtering a significant percentage of the Mega City One's population. But the same setting also has goofy stuff like an entire subculture of people who dress as clowns, crocodile-like alien mercenaries that get paid with meat and act pretty much like a combination of 40k's Orks and Kroot, and the British mega-city being every British stereotype cranked up to 11.
Wrong, wrong, wrong.
40k is unique in its excellent art direction. It's not completely generic like mass effect or halo, but neither is it a clusterfrick and there are recognizable motifs (gothic styles, space egyptians etc) and for the most part the designs themselves are very good. I don't see how making the story more hopeful changes that.
>more hopeful
>lets get rid of all the evil stuff the imperium does
>we need a squeaky clean hero faction
>lets get rid of all the evil stuff the imperium does
Where is this stated?
Guilliman has only made the Imperium more efficient, ie losing less planets due to being misplaced because clerical error.
Nothing about how, say, the Arbites are a brutal authoritarian boot has changed.
When was the last time you read about a sister of battle burning civilians for not considering them believers enough or a chaplain babbling about the superiority of the human race and that inferior xenos deserve to be exterminated?
Few hours ago, in my headcannon.
In the last SoB codex, they show images of the SoB fighting craftworld Saim-Hain. It's in a tabletop photo and all, but you know, they still do. And to a degree they do in the Book of Martyrs with the Phil Kelly story in that book, where it was SoB against the Tau.
Anon… that’s a plot point in last weeks episode of pariah nexus. The SoB was going to gun down the civilians to prevent them from turning into zombies and give them “the emperors grace”
So that later the brave and noble soldier, who oh surprise is black, tells her that killing is wrong and especially in times of war and then magically the sister of battle suddenly regrets being a "bad" person
frick you fricking accomplice
>salamander
>black
>not saving civilians
eat shit and die you fricking secondary
>LOOK THIS GOES WOKE 30 YEARS AGO, THAT MEANS IT'S NOT REALLY WOKE
have a nice day, you fricking troony, although it will be inevitable at some point.
Only in every Imperium codex and book for the last decade? The setting needs to change a little bit. GrimDark is fun for a while but it's gotten really fricking old after this many years. What's wrong with the Imperium starting to win sometimes?
The problem is that the Imperium is never allowed to actually lose anything.
All crises are averted, all threats fended off. Lost heroes are rising out of the void in multitudes. Internal conflicts are being dealt with. The Horus Heresy stands as one of the few places that the Imperium actually ate shit.
Everything with Guilliam and his Ultramarines is ridiculous for the setting.
If the setting is old, find a new game/literary universe to play in.
The imperium is supposed to be comically flawed, corrupt, incompetent and bureaucratic.
The fact that it is now more effective makes it lose its essence.
Yes, though not every decision has been great.
There are definitely factions that are way cleaner, even within the Imperium. But the Imperium itself is a necessary evil at best made by a devil with good intentions, bad methods for everyone not within those intentions.
"its the art direction"
based moron. Adrian smith, karl kopinski, john blanche are all gone. You're so stupid it's unreal.
Meds?
There's also the problem of the times changing. The terrible things in the setting are supposed to be of a scale that is humorous and provide a context for eternal conflict between everyone. Now you have people acting as if you're supposed to take morally instruction from a space opera.
>Now you have people acting as if you're supposed to take morally instruction from a space opera.
Not a space opera, a bunch of fluff designed to sell toys.hmn00r
Yea at some point people really lost the humorous undertone. Heroic proportions, blood soaked chainswords, and flesh pits are all fun until someone starts seriously analyzing them and talking about “war crimes” and shit. Like the redditors who talk about X character being bad because they exterminatus’d a planet that had eldar children on it, and therefore are evil.
Because In the grim darkness of the 41st millennium, there is only war. This means that in the 42nd and onwards, there will be something else to take its place.
This. It just made the setting frustrating and ultimately uninteresting to me.
Works for Russia, lol.
*Ukraine
Russia is a great place to live homosexual.
why can't you do both? Why does every story in the universe have to be the same feel?
Because 40k has the depth of a puddle
40k's setting is an excuse for a space-fantasy wargame, not a space opera epic or action-investigation story. If you want depth go read Dune or Judge Dredd.
Having different types of stories within the setting is different than changing the tone of the setting itself.
As well, any story you write within a setting is informed by the tone of the setting itself. A grimdark overarching tone for the universe results in stories that are informed by that even if they're romances or heroic adventures.
40K wouldn't have possibly a triple digit number of novels and stories written about it officially if it was all just for the miniatures.
Games Workshop has diversified the property a lot. They know that video games, novels, etc., are also big moneymakers.
you have tau if you want optimistic naivety
That's when things are supposed to end, not change what they are. If you're sitting there saying how bored you are of warhammer being doomed, you're probably just actually saying you're bored of warhammer itself and should try something else out.
>That's when things are supposed to end, not change what they are
It's a product anon.
He's talking about the theme and tone of the setting anon. The setting being set a minute to midnight was part of its appeal.
I know it's difficult for leftists to understand that's there's more to life than materialist superficiality but I promise you the intangible does exist.
>The setting being set a minute to midnight was part of its appeal
And it still is.
GW isn't going to end times 40k.
40k was endtimesed with 'The Gathering Storm' and further events. The new setting just doesn't have another name. I wonder what would happen if they didn't change the name of WHFB. How many people would stay?
>40k was endtimesed
It wasn't and it is not a new setting.
People don't want to leave 40k because unlike Star Wars there is always something new to explore, one thousand space marine chapters with their own culture, one million different planets, dozens of different aliens races.
In Star Wars everything is clearly the same so people can just leave without feeling like they are missing out anything new.
They apparently do really want to leave, if they're demanding fundamental changes to the setting's tone and style because of 'fatigue'.
They're business model is based on churning through new customers though, not keeping the same ones for 5 years let alone 40
yes after the switch many religious parents no longer thought 40k was a demonic tool of satan to corrupt the youth.
Although 40k was always about christian killing demons in space with alien viewers
Get your head out of twenty years ago anon, those people don't exist anymore.
Indifferent. I continue to take the parts of the setting I like and ignore the rest.
its annoying. a lot of the newer 40k media has the imperium shown as "We are caring, you don't have to be religious! we love freedom of choice" instead of the "You have to worship the emperor! Do what your masters say! you are another resource!"
Trying to shoehorn the Imperium into being the "Good guys" is really fricking stupid.
>"We are caring, you don't have to be religious! we love freedom of choice"
??? When have they ever done this
> We are caring, you don't have to be religious! we love freedom of choice" instead of the "You have to worship the emperor! Do what your masters say! you are another resource!"
Didn’t the Imperium almost have a civil war because Robute Guilliman suggested that when he woke up?
Cite sources. They mention directly in one of the guilliman books that there's a religious holy war going on about what day it is. Find me one example of a character in a book who is both part of the Imperium and explicitly not religious.
The God-Emperor of Mankind.
> Find me one example of a character in a book who is both part of the Imperium and explicitly not religious.
Every space marine
Malcador
All primarchs except Lorgar
Custodes
Sisters of silence
It is definitely going to nobledark and I dont think its good. All the new shit paints the Imperium as le good and heroic and brushes over the blatant evil. Whats the point anyways, the grimdarkness is one of the only things that makes 40k unique from other sci-fi generic slop
Primarchhomosexualry can suck my juicy, Aryan nutz
It always was noblehope the second the Tau appeared with a solution to all problems. The Greater Good.
The Greater Delusion*
I'm a racist white supremacist, but I still cringe when this scene from American History X is depicted as some ALPHA-SIGMA Chad win. It's supposed to be a gruesome depiction of the escalation of violence. I've seen the movie, I know it was a nog getting salty after getting beat in basketball trying to shoot up Nortons house, and I think the curbstomp is a valid response, but the mindless glorification of it that it has spawned scares me.
If you want to be the guy that curbstomps someones teeth all over the concrete, then you are a Black person
>It always was noblehope the second the Tau appeared with a solution to all problems. The Greater Good.
>THIS IS WHAT TAUgayS ACTUALLY BELIEVE
And the the Tau becomes the crying wojack the moment he learns about the Greater Good God and realizes the marine was right
Could you imagine if all your life you were atheist and suddenly the god of atheism shows up, or of human rights or some shit
I don't mind that there is some hope injected into it.
I however hate the changes in naming, in lore, the rampant bullshit GW is serving. All of this was around earlier, but it got much, much worse after 7th ED ended and 8th started.
>Preach about the Greater Good
>Freak out and massacre all psionically neutral or positive races, including their Kroots, on one of their planets because they managed to spawn a warp deity that is the embodiment of the Greater Good
Its not the embodiment of the Greater Good. the Warp represents nothing but the corruption of things. None of the Chaos Godw represent everything either since they dont exist outside the Galaxy.
The Warp is not the Dark Gods' private resort. There are parts that are ruled by independent warp entities that are not even associated with Chaos. Not to mention independent warp entities that aren't daemons and which aren't complete buttholes.
>the Warp represents nothing but the corruption of things
It must be nice to post something so moronic so confidently
>the Warp represents nothing but the corruption of things.
Fricking wrong. That’s Chaos and there was a time when Chaos literally corrupted everything they came in contact with.
Tau are not the “good guys.” They are the next Imperium or Aelderi Empire and are destined to become every bit as tyrannical.
The greater good comes from my bolter, alien
The only thing Communism solves is, inevitably, itself when it implodes. Damocles Gulf best day of my life, every say I salute Inquisitor Amberley Vail and Commissar Ciaphas Cain for knowingly infecting the tau with genestealers.
Death is a preferable alternative to communism.
Especially xenos death
The Tau are fascist though.
>we must sacrifice for the etherea… I mean, the greater good!
Tau are the ultimate bootlickers
I just wish it wasn't the Imperium, I'm so tired of Imperium wank.
Eldar should have a big win against Slaneesh and that ties into a massive rework of the Eldar line. That was a huge missed opportunity with the Psychic Awakening/Ynnari, they could have finally worked in Exodite units as well. I'm still not a fan of the new Eldar line with it being basically a hd texture pack tier of the older models. Artel W makes way more interesting Eldar units and Ynnari should have had a heavy death/bone theme.
I have no problem with "noble" factions in Warhammer, but they should be "minor" Xeno ones like the Tau and Eldar. That also keeps with the theme that humanity taking W's is actually technically a bad thing.
The big win against Chaos I think actually should come out of the Orks or Tyranids, my favourite narrative of Warhammer Fantasy is Archaeon being stomped to death by Ork boot out of nowhere as the Empire was about to fall during SoC, that would be a pretty funny and classic Warhammer humour way to knock out Abaddon imo.
Those are pretty cool, they look like dunmer from TES, are those from Artel W or a kitbash?
There needs to be Ghazghkull beating the living shit out of Abaddon
What is this meme? Every recent codex/campaign book is chock full of grimdark shit.
Bold of you to assume they still read or buy codexes!
ESL should be banned
I see the direction the setting is going in as its own little setting. We now have Warhammer 30k, Warhammer 40k and Warhammer Primaris
30k for fans of the books
40k for grognards and tryhards
Primaris for zoomers
eh because its kinda obvious GW is walking back primaris.
Look at their new release being classic marine units
>walking back primaris
>new release are classic marine units
>meanwhile GW gives Terminator armor to Primaris
>Primaris stole and replaced most of the firstborn units
>assault squads, bikers, and land speeders are all gone and primarised
think about it dumby
>walk back primaris
>phase out the firstborn librarian, command squad and techmarine
>replace them all with primaris
spamming replies wont change how stupid you are.
Okay mr. "GW will Walk back Primaris". Enjoy Primaris being the default marines from now on
>release terminators called terminators
>stern guard
>scouts
>assault marines
>none of them have stupid names and are resembling the older models
they are bringing back old units and returning to the old naming. That indicates them walking back their changes. Whether a marine is called primaris or not is irrelevant besides the scale
You idiot.
>none of them have stupid names
>new "assault marines"
LMAO! They're called Jump Pack Intercessors you fricking mong, not Assault Marines.
Also explain the recent Desolators and Ballistus Dreadnought. GW Primarisifying some of the old units isn't going to stop them from making brand new Primaris units with silly names
>i gotchu i gotchu BASEDGAPE
fricking moron stfu
Sorry sweaty, enjoy your Jump Pack Intercessors. Assault squads are a thing of the past
This
Also the Infernus Squad and Ballistus were unveiled at the same as refreshed Terminators and Sternguard. So much for returning to the "old naming" when they're making brand new primaris units with primaris names
infernus were already released moron. Ffs you mong.
Infernus and Terminators literally came in the SAME box you fricking homosexual. You're actually fricking moronic.
You are a moron a Terminator is not a new name.
Genuinely stfu you complete fricking moron
>akshually the infernus squad already came out because one black templars model had the same gun
One guy with a pyreblaster isn't the same as the actual fricking infernus squad. You're fricking moronic holy shit.
you are an idiot.
No u
you are genuinely stupid
You're the stupid one
No that'd be you, you are literally a dumbfrick.
You're the dumbest homosexual in this thread though
you are so moronic you don't think GW returning classic marine units with the same names is slowly moving on from the Primaris fad. You are a dunce.
>returning to classic marines with the same names
>Jump Pack Intercessors
Lmao
Primaris never had assault marines now they do. Think about it moron.
>now they do
Nope. Those aren't Assault Squads sweaty. Those are Jump Pack Intercessors
Why are nu40k unit names so moronic? Oh well, didn't stop moronic consoomers from buying them en masse because "it's like star wars but catholic guise I'm so based!!!"
Copyright. Blame Chapter House
Based moron.
>walk back primaris
>get rid of the firstborn assualt squad
>make a new PRIMARIS assault squad
>GW is walking back primaris.
>primaris characters can only join primaris units and vice versa
oh I'm laffin
It's funny that since GW rejected the deal with Blizzard every day 40k looks more like Starcraft
Warhammer is meant to be grimdark and dumb though.
Like if you wanted heroic factions from different perspectives in your war game, there was Hordes/Warmachine.
If you wanted a humanity wank-fest, there's Battletech.
Warhammer was better when it wasn't taking itself too seriously
agreed
40k should keep the grimdark. We all know what going in the other direction means, and who they're trying to appeal to.
In the end, I'm going to make my miniatures grimdark
And have absolutely no Black folks
Who fricking cares because Chaos will win. Chaos will win just like it did in Fantasy/AoS
That's old fluff grog. Cite your 8e or 9e (canon) source
It still blows my mind how badly they bungled that shit. The "canon" books read like fanfic by people butthurt they got hit with Ordertide in TWW.
Primaris Marines were a smash hit
The return of the Primarchs was a smash hit
The pivot to nobledark was a success
Only grognards and elitists keep on seething impotently that the franchise is growing.
No one in this thread has argued that sacrificing unique identity for homogenous mass appeal has hurt GW's profit magins. The question raised by your post is why the money made by multimillionares is something you thing is worth bragging about.
You will smile when your 'game setting' is turned into an action figure and mobile game IP farm
>if it makes money it means it is of good quality
have a nice day fricking goy
"grimdark" is a shitty meme and not a real genre. The proper term is dark fantasy. Even if it were a genre it would be moronic to name it after warhammer when other dark fantasy and tragic myths like ragnorok did the same thing ages ago.
>but muh grimdark!
>muh super evil imperium
Sorry chuds. The imperium is now a pro-feminist and pro-diversity faction. Phill Kelly said that the imperium doesn't care about race or gender. It's over for chuddies.
>the imperium doesn't care about race or gender
Never did. That's part of the horror and irony of the setting: the Imperium only cares about if you're human or not, and in doing so completely disregards your humanity. It's a vast, indifferent bureaucratic machine.
How does it feel about the disabled, ie Mutants? GW keeps quiet about that nowadays, doesnt it.
The series has never implied that the Imperium is racist or sexist.
The Emperor himself is some member of an ancient ethnicity that doesn't exist anymore. And was even described as being able to take a guise of a woman if he wanted to.
They just hate anyone that is genetically mutated (unless they're Mechanicus but we don't talk about that). Mechanical augmentations make gender fairly irrelevant.
Palitoy and Mariocart isnt Grimadark at all, so as GW transitions to a similar style of models, it will become less Grimdark as well. GW is just trying to cash in on the nostalgia of teens who had the Palitoy toys as children, hoping they will continue to buy similar GW ones as well. It's what GW has always done, imitating styles and models from more successful companies and media in an attempt to cash in.
What is nobledark? And why is it more nobledark now?
>What is nobledark?
Everything sucks but there is hope for a better future
>And why is it more nobledark now?
Guilliman and Lion has returned to bring order and hope to the imperium
Big E is more present every day and helps humanity through miracles
Alliances with aliens become more common
Religious fanaticism has become more attenuated
More heroic characters
The aesthetics have become more generic science fiction
So if
is nobledark, what's grimbright?
A setting that on the surface looks idealistic but is actually dark. Your typical "utopia with a dark secret" story might count, though I feel those often are more like grimdark with a shiny coat of paint, while true grimbright would be more along the lines of having horrible shit happen while everybody still acts like they're in fricking Candyland while casually raping and murdering each other.
So what you're saying is the Orkz, in isolation, are grimbright.
I'd say it's more like the great crusade, from the outside it's mankind's glorious conquest across the stars, look deeper inside and you'll see mankind annihilate hundreds of lesser known civilisations, a good part of which were human because it didn't align with their views on how mankind should be
Mad max
Brave New World
>Warhammer 40k is going from grimdark to nobledark
>sister sees an astartes
>obviously an astartes
>still points her boltgun at him and demands to know who he is
>space marine takes his helmet off (all I ever see of this marine is him taking his helmet off for no reason)
who is scripting this nonsense?
Checking him for mutation, obviously.
>who is scripting this nonsense?
Games Workshop
And they're unfricking the Wolves by turning them from Space Furries to Space Anglo-Saxons
that's HH. I think that's where they want the 'serious' grogs to go. they can't give HH xenos because then no one but no one would play 40k, correctly identifying it as the 'kiddie' game. I'm not going to play HH. But I might buy HH models to play in 40k... if GW would be less hammer headed about it and let me
They are ruining HH with nu-versions of classic marks
Shitty wolf pelts and runic scribbles makes you a parody of space anglo-sucksons.
Space Wolves didn't stop being cartoonish.
Ignore the weird politically motivated trolls.
40k was rebooted in the 1990s during 2nd edition.
They took the best bits of the lore in RT and hammered it out into a concise setting blueprint.
It was dark it was gothic it was cool. But you had to use your imagination. Because ironically the covers and photos of the minis were colourful, this was due to photography and printing limitations at the time.
wh40k should die and stay die, whf died for a reason
>gw brings back termies
>re-releases stern guard and scouts
>finally returns assault marines
>morons don't think this is walking back their changes to a degree
What am i saying of course ESLs wouldn't understand what walking back means.
Literal frickheads
>>gw brings back termies
Primaris Terminators
returns assault marines
Primaris Intercessors
Irrelevant since they don't wear SM armour to distinguish, but they are Primaris scale nonetheless
Wearing Primaris armour and at Primaris scale
You are moronic.
not only are you lying you are moronic. The squad is listed as a Terminator squad. Its completely meaningless if its primaris inside the suit or not. Since they are now the standard marine.
You are just proving autistics aren't smart people.
Moron
>they are now the standard marine.
Yes, congratulations, you realised they did not walk back their decision and in fact doubled down on it by fully replacing old marines with Primaris.
>gw walks back to classic terms and models
>not walking back
perma-moron
you dumb Black person ESLs don't know wtf walking back means.
It means slowly moving away from or returning slowly to the original thing. As opposed to just completely reversing something.
You are just too intellectually disabled to understand it doesn't matter if they are "primaris"
They are just replacing all the models, to make it more effective they add a little of lore to give you more motivation to spend thousands of dollars on plastic toys
Primaris are now the default marines
>their changes to a decree
I accept your concessions
Wow you have to be the biggest moron ive ever encountered on here,
>claims that GW is walking back Primaris
>is shown proof that GW is still making brand new Primaris units
>actually they're only walking back to a certain degree!
have a nice day you mongoloid.
terminator and assault marine and scout and stern guard are not new primaris squads you low iq moron
As the other anon said all marines are primaris now. They dont even say primaris anymore.
You are a complete moron stfu
walking back as opposed to running moron. Walking back implies a tactical withdrawal as opposed to a complete rout.
Esl frickhead
Big improvement. Cringey nihilists should just suicide already so they can experience an eternity of fire.
Good. That means 40k can redpill people. We need the Imperium IRL that can wipe out all minorities
i'll say it again
They brought back terminators
Scouts
Stern guard
and Assault marines
>but they are primaris not all exactly named [diaper shitting autistic tantrum throws all the toys on the ground]
The first anon didn't say anything about them retconning primaris away. Just that they were returning to classic squads. So many simpleton asspies on this board
Anyone who unironically enjoys misery porn should be publicly whipped.
It doesn't need to be grim. It just needs to be moronic and hilarious like in rogue trader. Alas, the imperiumgays have won, and now gw writes them has competent heroes despite publicly condemning them
people get triggered by 40k because they are secretly deeply racist.
They perceive the Imperium as "white people" because they default assume only white people are humans.
This the xenos are an analogy for minorities.
The Imperium takes a direction unfamiliar to fans of mostly American scifi but is more typical of British scifi. Which is humans are not naive or ignorant and actually take the initiative to destroy threats to them. Rather than waiting to be attacked and defending themselves or getting themselves into dumb situations like feeding bread crumbs to killer aliens.
This horrifies some people, because it shows humans as not defenceless, they have a backbone and they are taking action.
This all then returns to the extremely racist idea humans are europeans and aliens are not. That these same people think is extremely clever writing in the works they are familiar with.
Based troll and dolt.
its not trolling and anon is completely right you moron
The point you brought up about humanity as being proactive vs reactive is an interesting one.
I don't know if I'd say that it splits along Anglo/American lines, but I couldn't dispute that point. Haven't read a lot of Anglo sci-fi.
They spent years building up the defense of Cadia as an all important last stand for the Imperium, so when it fell and broke the galaxy in two there was a sense that they went too far into "it's all hopeless" territory of grimdark. Pivoting away from that and lightening the tone was done to restore the balance between the factions in lore, I think
This thread is cancer and you should all feel bad.
I don't think it has a direction
they're falling over themselves releasing massively consequential things in-universe and then not doing shit with them
I think the marginal lessening of grimdarkness is just the general influence of people not having a clear point rather than a deliberate choice
>nobledark
Let me guess. you think 40k is a sci fi game?
>40k is actually dark fantasy in space
Both could be good options. Either will work, because GW won't make an effort at proper storytelling/worldbuilding/contrast things instead of power creeping them.
Who cares?
Warhammer changed all the fricking time. Rogue Trader was not Second edition and second edition was not third. Even if you dislike the current direciton, in a decade it will suddenly double down on grimdark again.
doesnt matter, Tyranid main force will arrive soon(tm)
What do you mean? Galaxy has been ripped in half and a new tyrannic war has begun.
The cinematic for the latest edition is literally Bobby G talking about hopeless everything is.
It's a shame we don't explicitly see that, but hey, at least we can see how the number of women and black people in the imperial guard has increased fivefold.
not sure what that has to do with nobledark
>It's a shame we don't explicitly see that
>even without showing evidence of how the setting has become darker and more desperate
yawn
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From the top of my head, like cadia literally exploding, the indomitus crusade getting trashed, Vashtor succeeding in arks of omen, Cicatrix Maledictum, and the implications that primarchs are returning due to the end times? What events have given a hopeful tone?
Might not be good content, but not sure what they could do to illustrate things are fricked other than release a line of dead space marines
>cadia literally exploding
So that moments later Guilliman is resurrected and brings order and hope to humanity
In addition to the fact that the majority of the cadians are still alive, fighting and with a new home
>the indomitus crusade getting trashed
Crusade that is still going on and there was no real consequence, it was literally a five minute stop to refuel
>Vashtor succeeding in arks of omen
So that in the end a demigod expert in killing demons returns in a part of the galaxy where someone who knows how to kill demons is needed
>Cicatrix Maledictum
It's literally already assured, the entire imperium secundus is full of primaris and a fricking primarch
Not to mention that all the worlds that were lost have already been recovered in their vast majority
>the implications that primarchs are returning due to the end times?
That the only people who are capable of confronting and defeating the enemies of humanity and bringing peace and prosperity to the galaxy are returning means that the setting is darker than ever... how the hell does that make sense?
>but not sure what they could do to illustrate things are fricked other than release a line of dead space marines
I don't know, maybe every time the imperium has suffered a defeat and there are devastating consequences, not rectifying it on the next page so that that loss becomes a victory and increases hope for a better future could be a good idea
>Not to mention that all the worlds that were lost have already been recovered in their vast majority
Source?
The Imperium being good guys immediately makes them lame.
Warhammer was always stupid and I don't think it's improved much by turning it gay on top of stupid.
Bold of you to assume I give a single frick.
40k is going form piss shit to shit piss
you know what? I don't mind it. a story of forlorn hope that, at the end ytou can glimpse a sliver of light through the storm clouds is a decent way to make a bittersweet end to a story
'Nobledark' isnt the problem.
The problem is that GW has over the years, gone into far too much detail in a setting that was built on broad brushstrokes, leaving the minutia for the reader to imagine and create themselves.
To make a comparison...you ever watched an old movie in HD? It looks fricking garbage right? Because it brings all the flaws of the props and the effects into sharp focus when they were designed and built to be obscured and blurred by the low definition of the film.
Thats what has happened to 40k. Everything is in focus, and we now see what GW's writing is like without that low definition blur that lets our mind fill in the blanks.
Its fricking garbage.
The GSC lore is pretty kino though. I love how it lampoons revolutionaries as a counterpoint to the authoritarian satire of the Imperium.
I despise it. Because 40k had a very set in stone identity that made it unique. It had a charm, its a glorious last stand dragged out day by day, where every day is just to be stable. it invented the term grimdark. To give it hope is the antithesis of the setting.
Grimdark is gay
It completely misses what the draw of 40k was.
Crazed fanatics vs crazed fanatics.