What games let you break the most rules from the Geneva Convention?
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What games let you break the most rules from the Geneva Convention?
What games let you break the most rules from the Geneva Convention?
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TF2 probably
Literally has an achievement called "Geneva Contravention"
the TF2 guys are mercs, and technically criminals so the Geneva Conv doesnt apply to them
All people fall under the Geneva convention, including mercenaries and criminals.
just because a law applies to criminals doesnt mean they're going to follow it its why they're criminals
your point?
>An unlawful combatant, illegal combatant or unprivileged combatant/belligerent is a person who directly engages in armed conflict in violation of the laws of war and therefore is claimed not to be protected by the Geneva Conventions.
An illegal combatant isn't the same as a criminal, not all criminals decide to participate in wars unlawfully, in fact I'd think most would avoid the war in terms of actually fighting as much as possible.
geneva convention only applies to wars between sovereign states.
>all Pokemon players charged with animal cruelty
The Pokémon’s themselves, there’s a video about it, it’s really funny.
For example, Slugma (balls) is like being close to the sun and would insta melt everyone within several hundred meters.
Other Pokémon say that they can easily create earthquakes just for laughs teehee.
ah, it's your turn to know of this esoterica
>pokemon trainers in games are little kids
>professors want them to go out and collect pokemon data
>a lot those dex entries are actually silly children's notes on their observations on the field
>we can't punish those we think are tyrants
>lets go after gamers!
lol fricking impotent bastards
They want games to have actual in-game consequences for war crimes, like if you kill civilians you’ll take more damage. They’re not proposing people actually get arrested for what they do in vidya.
t. Actual article reader
>slippery slope
Not really
This. They are not tricking me again after the "bake the cake, bigot" fiasco.
What game set in a war lets you kill civilians? Stuff like Call of Duty and Battlefield that are set during actual wars only have enemy soldiers I thought.
And games where you can actually kill civilians often do have penalties.
This War of Mine.
is it actually a good game, or some arthouse pretentious crap?
its ok
I'd say it's good, but not "best of all time" material.
that's ok, i play some 6/10 games and enjoy them
>he didn't force-target civvies in command & conquer
kayne and lynch dead men, most map have a shit ton of them and there are no consequences
Where do these people get off thinking they can dictate the boundaries of an entertainment product?
That's not what they're there to do.
They're just suggesting to not glamourize horrific, real-life tragedies like the No Russian level. You crybabies don't need to soil your diaper yet, they're not legislating against it nor do they have power to do that.
>it wasn't glamourizing it!!!
Yeah right, they gave you giant guns, infinite ammo and hardly any enemies for a reason.
I suggest they let people have fun.
>NOOOOOo! YOU'RE HAVING FUN WITH WARRRR!
Yeah, because it's a game. It's not real.
They’re pushing the “Red Cross in games encourage war crimes” envelope again. They think the current pozzed environment will allow it
Red Cross has been caught a plethora of times in child trafficking cases. Don't trust a word these fools say. They are evil as frick.
They're moron israelites who think they can ruin everything
>loot enemy
>take damage
WOOOOOOOOW
That’s pretty cool actually
>complete mission in new fps
>accidentally kill a civilian
>next mission is your court trial at geneva
>press f to plead not guilty
That would be frick'n sick if it used AI and you actually had to plead your case.
why would you take more damage for killing civilians
did israel take more damage for all the civilians they killed
funny how the red cross has no problem with israel killing civilians, but people killing fictional video game characters, that goes too far oy vey
war crimes for me but not for thee
huh? every ngo on the planet is pissed at israel but can't do shit kek
While that's better than I thought, keep in mind sharpening bayonets and taking war trophies (ie loot) are war crimes.
It sounds like vague suggestions from people who don't know or play videogames
You should get bonus for war crimes and and automatic bad end if you aren't willing to commit any. Pussyfication of games and gamers have gone on for too long.
>shoot hitler
>game boots you to the start menu because he wasn't actually armed and is considered a civilian leader
>shoot child soldier
>game boots you to the start menu because it's a child
>shoot brown soldier
>game boots you to the start menu because you're islamophobic
>shoot ally
>game doesn't care
have you tried not doing a heckin' colonialism?
I know that you are joking, but what is it about zoomers that make them believe that colonialism was a bad thing?
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I mean, it was, Ethically anyways. The only weird thing is its considered a 'white person thing' If african nations had the capability to colonize the new world and exploit the natives, they absolutely would of.
>would of
would have
>would have
I would've assumed they would want to prevent players from using their logo "inappropriately" since it's recognized within the Geneva Convention as a protected symbol. Which is still an overreach but, like, I kind of get it.
But knowing this clown world I wouldn't be surprised if commie homosexuals have taken over it too.
Plenty of games already punish you for being "morally wrong"
This was my first thought reading this
Only some smaller companies are starting to move away from this, like in the Pathfinder vidya you can be evil and get awesome shit. But in 99% of games evil playthrough is pointless
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Killing some civilians is a smart and intelligent strategy.
For example: if you were to stike an insurgent. It is smart to also bomb the shit out of the people who attempt to collect their remains, because they are obviously on the opposite side of you.
This is common sense. Not every conflict is about capturing hearts and minds.
But games have done this before. You steal something and the whole town is out to kill you.
unless you put a bucket over the store owner
i don't think petty theft is a war crime unless i violated the geneva convention by stealing those skittles when i was a kid
That's a really good point, modern gaming SHOULD be more like lightgun kino
>The team who won the previous round is exempt from warcrime debuffs.
If you break geneva conventions you should be subject to the full might of the UN's punishment capabilities
That is what happens in Metal Gear Solid 4 and V, also in COD you get a game over if you shoot a civilian.
>play COD or ghost recon
>shoot civilian
>mission instantly fails
Games should be FUN.
Payday 2 costs you fake in-game money, if you kill civilians.
This is like those boomers that still think about videogames in arcade terms.
>They’re not proposing people actually get arrested for what they do in vidya.
Yet
>man, this game is TOO easy. How do I activate hard mode?
>just shoot some civilians.
>oh, okay.
>kill single civilian
>screen flashes blue
>WARNING
>WARNING
>UN DEATH SQUAD DETECTED
>UN DEATH SQUAD DETECTED
"cool, here comes challenge mode"
>They want games to have actual in-game consequences for war crimes
why? there's no actual consequences for 99% of war criminals irl
what war crimes did Assad do other than allegedly use chemical weapons
He had the audacity to defend his country against invaders who were being herded there by other governments that wanted to build pipelines through Syria
>can't do shit in the real world
>go and harrass gamers instead
Holy shit you can't make this up.
First they bully devs into changing medi kit symbols and now this. What a useless organisation.
>paradox forums have had a rule for over 15 years now stating you cannot mention the 'casualties' in battle as it could trigger people and it results in a ban
More like Geneva Cuckvention amirite?
those arent arabs, they're turks, or greeks, my arma lore is lacking
arma
nvm. also you should treat it as a guideline, or if you are zealous, as a checklist
arma
also mention to 7.62 high calibre/hard life. it lets you do some nifty things arma, as far as I know does not allow you to, such as using hunting ammunition and other so called "dum dum" rounds, also wear the enemy's uniforms
>but in 7.62 it's not a war
don't care, didn't ask
Rimworld
tbf anyone who plays reddit shit like spec ops deserves to be jailed
i prefer to think of it as a Geneva Suggestion
here's the list of rules
I aint reading any of it
>xxii
THEN WHAT'S THE FRICKING POINT OF WAR FRICKING moronS
To give more money to your leaders.
it was very important to steal all of Libya's gold.
I mean, appropriate it as a "necessity of war".
since when is plundering covered by point XXII, which is about rape
Hold up just a gosh darn minute... Is Israel bad?
>Using hollow-point ammunition as self-defense ammunittion while wearing a shirt showing a white flag could make you a war criminal on counts Aiii, Bii, Biv, and Bxix
>declaring no quarter shall be given
So everyone with a black US flag hat, shirt, or bumper sticker is a war criminal? Gee golly. Time to round up those trump voters!
>Someone asks for one of these when making change
>gave them two dimes and a nickel instead because I was all out of quarters
>UN blue helmets are now after me
>actual war starts
>all the rules are ignored
Pretty sure Grand Theft Auto regularly breaks every war crime rule mentioned
might makes right, everything else is cope
>i. wilful killing
what exactly is their idea of a war?
Ganker is so bad at reading legalese, it's why that stop killing games thing is going to fail, you can't even understand something as simple as that
it says right there
>any of the following acts against persons protected under the provisions of the geneva convention
>protected under the provisions
it means you can't willfully kill a prisoner of war or someone with a white flag for example
stop killing games should fail. we should also burn the studios down
at least you wouldn't be pretending that you understand what you're talking about
so you can torture soldiers, since that doesn't apply to them?
god damn it, at least try not to prove me right
that was a.
b. applies in general
for example, regarding torture, see b. xx, xxii
i don't like western legalese, i'm just simply stating the fact that Ganker is clueless
>b. xx, xxii
I meant xxi, not xxii, but i guess xxii could also be considered torture
most legalese is just attempts at creating precedent so it can be abused lmao
israel did everything on the list and red cross is fine with that
>First rule of war
>Don't kill each other
Soldiers aren't protected by the Geneva Convention by default, only in certain situations
Man, that's alotta rules to follow.
Why can't we do something simple like, I dunno, say waging war at all is bad and illegal? That way no one would do it right?
The Geneva Convention is about as useful as outlawing war. Nobody cares about it, evidenced from the fact that all four current nations at war are committing war crimes and nobody even cares.
>russians being russians (aka living geneva contraventions)
>ukranians killing surrendering pows
>jews murdering babies
>arabs murdering babies
Plus everything else, of course. White phosphorous, rape, targeting civilians, targeting aid workers, nobody gives two shits about the geneva convention
Well, it was mostly intended for western countries that frequently went to war with each other. In ww2 germany mostly obeyed geneva, not always, but mostly with regards to other nations that signed it. There was one instance in fact where they had a female american pow (nurse on board an aircraft) that they just sent home free because it was too much of a hassle to provide separate quarters, bathing, etc for her.
The USSR didn't sign the convention however, and therefore they were given free reign and due to stiff resistance russia quickly turned into germany's vietnam with the gloves fully off.
Laws during war have always been a thing, even back in the middle ages.
>with the gloves fully off
maybe they should have kept the gloves on, so they wouldn't freeze to death haha
People don't seem to understand that the GC isn't a big book of law that if you break one the Geneva police come to take your army to prison.
It's a gentlemanly agreement between potential enemies that if they came to blows, it wouldn't be a race to the bottom of both sides getting real fricked up in dirty fighting and civilian collateral.
yeah and japan basically wiped their ass with those rules which is why the fighting was so nasty there. you get what you give.
I may be misreading, but a siege is pretty much illegal under this, right?
Eh not quite, but also I guess so?
For example,
>intentionally directing attacks against the civilian population as such or against individual civilians not taking direct part in hostilities
The key words are "as such," it means if the town is just full of civilians with no military presence, I can see why sieging that town would be a contravention. However, sieges against defended positions are not considered illegal under international law.
America has left the chat
all these seem reasonable
why is Ganker so angry at this, do you just like people suffering?
>do you just like people suffering?
yes
>all these seem reasonable
Sure, for actual war.
Not for a video game.
I mean jesus christ, when I was playing surviving mars the easiest way to get rid of renegades and the useless elderly was to move them all to a distant dome, and then turn off the power, air, and water until you kill them all to solve your housing crisis because you haven't unlocked oval/diamond domes.
im glad violence literally has no standards
i guess its worth women not being allowed to even be mildly sexy because of reasons
reported for antisemitism
At a casual glance at the front page of any major news website, I think we can safely say those rules don't equally apply to everyone.
Didn't the Nuremberg Trials break number xiv?
Oy gevalt what are you on about goyim8?
These were ratified after Nuremberg, see the very top.
WORDS WORDS WORDS
some four eyed homosexual that never saw an ounce of battle wrote this shit and I'll wipe my ass with this shitty paper after the collapse
oh man russia should really look at this, just wait until they find out they're breaking the rule
they're gonna be so embarrassed
I'm not gonna read all that antisemitic crap
Why don’t they just make everything about war a war crime so there will be peace?
If you're paying attention to Gaza none of it means anything when the 'right' people are breaking every law.
Taking hostages is a war crime, Muhammad.
It's not a war crime if you win.
Unironically at Nuremberg they way they figured out where the line was, was a simple razor: If it is something they did, that we also did... It's not a war crime. If they did it, but we didn't then that is a war crime.
Half the shit listed as war crimes are there because of the leafs
Canadians are fricking savages. Where do they get off lecturing everyone else?
Kathia Nobili
The US literally tried doing this after WW1. I forget what the law was called but it basically made it illegal for the country to go to war
It wasn't a disarmament though cause that'd be moronic
The Kellogg–Briand Pact was passed but did nothing, nowadays the closest thing to making declaring war illegal is the crime of aggression.
Russia tried this as well. It's illegal in Russia to start or wage a war of aggression. Putin found an easy workaround which is to just call it a special military operation and jail anyone who calls it a war.
Card games, especially MTG should have a lot to draw from since so many of their spells are themed after bits of in setting history and events
they actually went full moron progressive enough to ban a bunch of cards for being problematic though
Standard Rimworld. Add in mods and you'll be in another dimension of war crime.
I don't understand what that even means. How can you commit a war crime in a video game?
It's not a war, for one thing.
The red cross is a useless organization that has too many bureaucrats for their own good so instead of organizing aid they find other uses for their time like going full Jack Thompson.
How about they call for something meaningful instead, like punishing war criminals in the American goverment?
brigador makes it difficult to not commit 100 warcrimes per second
bonus points if you use the neutron beam weapon to make enemies die from rapid onset cancer
Maybe the red cross should make a video game called
>"medics of war"
Where they depict their perspective of a war as non combatants
The game will just be depression core nonstop as all the horror of conflict unfolds.
It can showcase why war is bad while not being 100% b***h made like their demands in this article.
Now if you'll excuse me I'm going to go replay the white phosphorous mission in spec ops the line and have fun doing it.
>medics of war
The refugee camp tutorial was boring and the difficulty spike in the Palestine mission seemed unfair. It almost felt like the soldiers were always trying to shoot me.
>red cross just wants more complex consequences for war crimes in 4X games
based but how about we also make it so STOP DECLARING WAR ON ME YOU FRICKING AI
>tfw the hague act means I can never be tried for war crimes
Fellow americhads, which video game warcrime are you planning on committing first?
Just bomb companies that make violent products. Problem solved.
The Internet Would Like to See the Red Cross Stop Posting
>nerve stapling your citizens while launching planet busters and raising the sea level fast enough to submerge the enemies before they can get pressure domes
>Showing Hitler getting hanged after the nafo troops raped Berlin in court GOOD
>Showing Hitler killing himself to save Soviet and German lives BAD
I hate westoids so much. Death to them all
My favorite way to rustle people's jimmies in real life is to assert that war crimes are inherently stupid, the only ethical way to fight a war is to win it as soon as possible by any means necessary so minimal needless suffering is caused. You only need to pretend to be nice to consider global PR after the war, "War Crimes" are just a sham invention to torment Germans when it was all over.
I don't even say this to favor a particular political branch. If Israel wants to commit war crimes, let 'em. If Palestine wants to commit them, by all means. I only hate this pussy back-and-forth of "Okay, we're going to make young men take turns killing each other until one of us gets bored of paying arms dealers" modern war has devolved into. That's not war, that's citizen purges.
>makes the red cross go insane
I love images that are in the just bytes, it feels special knowing a funny png can be stored on an Atari cartridge
if i'm not mistaken the use of the red cross itself isn't against any law. it's only a crime if you use it for nefarious means. Like marking rat poison with a red cross or something. it's all moronic anyway since the bottomline is it's only a crime if you lost
What's the point of the geneva convention if russia, israel, united states, and china breaks it constantly but everyone is too scared of nukes to enforce it?
fool, everyone knows those laws dont apply to the big dogs, only the small countries, some some african shithole thats been in a civil war for 50 years (not that the UN is allowed to do anything to intervene)
I'll do it in exchange for being allowed to use the red cross as a first aid and health symbol
What games are they talking about?
Any war game where you can teabag your enemies.
What's a good game where I can give brains to Red Cross representatives and speakers for doing and saying stupid things?
minecraft
probably 4x and fps stuff
the firsts makes sense for historical stuff, the second already gives you instant gameovers for shooting civilians and shit anyway, at least in most games
Why doesn't the red cross spend their time going after the IDF instead of white kids
the latter doesn't own the US congress for one
Stellaris
For me it was probably the DMZ mode in Call of Duty.
>Down one man that's part of a three man squad
>Hide claymores around his body
>His buddies get blown to pieces trying to save him
Shit like that was par for the course, just constant brutality.
What's next, someone's gonna complain about gamers staring at NPCs for too long?
>What's next, someone's gonna complain about gamers staring at NPCs for too long?
yes, you will now be persecuted for any sex crimes you've commited in vidya
the last porn game you played is at the of your rap sheet, how fricked are you?
I've done many things....
how does she know that she's a healthy girl? maybe she has worms and rotting teeth and is infirtle or has cancer? What a moron
At least 5 hours of my Twilight Princess playtime was just backing wolf Link into corners to try and get better views of Midna's ass
>in gtaV just standing still for too long around an NPC will make them hostile
I always had to assume it was to reset you if you went AFK.
>war
>crime
All war is crime regardless of sides amazing we as a species haven't moved past it. Guess it's our inherent sinful nature
the Sims
remember when the red cross took every donation from Hurricane Katrina and profited from them?
qrd please?
>needing to mod your game so you dont get punished from doing whatever the frick you want because removing the red cross from health items wasnt enough
Frick those Black folk they can suck my dick...
Does the red cross even do anything outside of suing people for using the red cross for medkits?
They dont pay taxes and help with vaccination in south american shitholes
They aid in the human trafficking of illegals into the US and EU
>everyone replying seriously to a meme made up headline
morons
stop breaking my immersion Black person
what's an immersion Black person
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/gamesblog/2013/oct/03/red-cross-players-accountable-war-crimes
https://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2013/10/red-cross-would-see-war-crimes-punished-video-games/310214/
https://www.icrc.org/en/doc/resources/documents/film/2013/09-28-ihl-video-games.htm
>LE FAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAKE
>10 years ago
ok this but unironically? i know people call games like stellaris and rimworld stuff like war crimes simulators and I want more of that stuff
war crimes are the funniest thing ever. like "rules" in a street fight. Frick that Im kicking your balls and going for the eyes
Geneva Convention(al warfare is for homosexuals)
Why are none-gamers so obsessed with having real life shit in video games.
Videogames are supposed to be a fantasy
lmao why is there such a huge attack on games? is it because people can still use their imaginations while playing games?
Stellaris
every time i get shot as a medic in battlefield
this will be awesome
Remember, it's not a war crime if you aren't at war.
How far have we regressed that the Red Cross thinks reiterating on Jack motherfricking Thompson is going to be a winning PR move?
There's no way this is intended as anything but PR. There's no way even a single person at the Red Cross genuinely, wholeheartedly believes video games are at all to blame for war crimes being committed in real fricking life. I just can't puzzle out what they thought this would accomplish.
>There's no way even a single person at the Red Cross genuinely, wholeheartedly believes video games are at all to blame for war crimes being committed in real fricking life.
You're absolutely correct. No one at the Red Cross thinks like that, but that isn't going to stop Ganker from b***hing.
No one at the Red Cross thinks like that, but they're happy to throw their weight around and try to act on it anyway. Video games are going to suffer if they get their way. So yes, Ganker has every fricking right to b***h about it.
What do you think "getting their way" entails?
The developers of games that "simulate war" including negative gameplay incentives for acts that would be war crimes in real life, in order to supposedly spread awareness and prevent the so-called minimization of actual war crimes.
Very close. They're not looking to explicitly punish players through gameplay, just discourage the idea that war crimes are acceptable. I don't think it's a coincidence the statement on their site was published a year after Spec Ops: The Line released, which at least sparked a conversation around the topic of war crimes.
>the statement on their site was published a year after Spec Ops: The Line released
They are pushing this shit again. Right now.
And no, they're looking to explicitly punish players through gameplay to ensure that war crimes are viewed as unacceptable.
This can't be real
No, it is. They're not demanding you be arrested for committing war crimes, they just want every game developer in perpetuity to make sure every game made for the rest of time has systems in place to inflict gameplay punishments upon you for committing what would be war crimes (were it real life).
... It's still incredibly stupid and serves no actual purpose, but people will think about it positively because they have some streamers lined up to shill it.
Imagine the meta-bending potential of cross-game permanent debuffs and fines.
>world stage, some team fps game
>final match, end game
>back to back two time versus underdogs 1 v 2
>one million up top
>knock one and have line on the other but he is holding medical pouch
>shooting him means you lose multimillion dollar fake and gamer of the year perks
>he picks up his knocked partner and starts walking toward you
>he has nothing on the line and is going to knife you for the million as soon as he is in range
Frick the Red Cross
Fricking scam artists
>we need justify our department so we dont lose tax funding.
homosexuals.
This is the source the original article references. Read it yourself and make up your own mind.
https://www.icrc.org/en/doc/resources/documents/film/2013/09-28-ihl-video-games.htm
Don't be a moron like this guy
It's only warcrime if you lose or not one of ~~*them*~~.
Master Duel
Dabbing on your opponent making 3 full combos when you had the line to lethal 10 minutes ago should be met with a corporal punishment.
How about the Red Cross target the real bastards out there- the fricking Israeli israelites bombing hospitals.
Also, never forget the King David Hotel bombing. Never forget the Lavon Affair. Never forget the attack on the USS Liberty.
israel won't exist soon thanks to iran. alhamdulillah
>this is what muzzoids actually believe
>this is what a brainwashed israeli puppet believes
Nah, muslisms are too much of a pussies to do anything.
NO WAIT NOT ISRAEL'S WAR CRIMES!!!!
when are they going to punish israel for genocide?
Pretty much every Paradox Development Studio game, though that convention didn't exist in the time frame most of them take place in.
my fellas in Blackcity the war craimes aint even punished in RL(real life) what makes you hahahah
think hahaha hahaha
hahahahahahahahahah
Israel's committing a genocide and the Red Cross are more concerned about video games?
Red Cross has been extremely cruel to the Palestines. This is a band-aid they just needs to come off. If they keep giving them more and more aid, they’ll just prolong the inevitable. How long do they have to suffer?
I don't give two fricks about Palestinians. But the red cross is shit and anything you do to stop them is awesome.
Anyone involved in the medical field should be killed.
Minecraft
Any Civilization game
War crimes do not exist. War is war, it is what it is. The sooner you understand this the sooner you will defeat your enemy. There are no rules. Rules do not exist.
What war “crimes”.
You are at WAR! Anything goes if you want to win.
I propose the death sentence for anyone who kills israeli characters in a video game.