Yeah, the game is directed by Carrie Patel. Who is a raging feminist. And now that Microsoft's wokification practices have been brought to light. You can already assume the game will lecture you, and patronize the whole time.
I don't know what you're talking about, is this part of the trailer?
I JUST WANTED TO PLAY VIDEO GAMES
That's too bad. You're a bigot, and they'll make sure you know it, by making shit games, and inserting PoC in them, so if you complain about the game, they can pin your negative reaction on racism.
No, they are quite easy, usually, because they have to gimp the game to fit the perspective. It's all about the camera work and narrow FoV and how limited your movements are. They are invariably awful and think constant shaking and swerving is good. Too many Hollywood movies.
What part of a first person camera is shit for melee combat confuses you?
Is it the part where the up close camera makes it impossible to see and notice enemies around or even right next to you (meaning you either have to disable AI behaviour for anything off-screen or fill it with UI markers to signal some generic attack is coming)?
Is it the part where M&K results in limited inputs along with the camera?
Is it the part where having more enemies on screen makes the combat extremely cluttered and messy, with attacks and telegraphs being hard to read?
Or is it something else? There's a lot after all.
No by all means educate us oh master of melee first person combat. Why is first person combat so incredibly amazing. I'm sure you're totally capable of answering beyond just a shitpost. Totally.
you sound mad lmao, maybe you should play more video games.
You are suppose to create a mental image of the environment while you play the game and extrapolate the enemy positioning based on their movement and sound cues, and the direction of the attacks is based on the movement of the mouse.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
You do realize absolutely none of what you posted disproves what I said or proves that melee combat is good, right?
Game awareness is much much worse than human awareness, for all senses.
You will not notice enemies not inside your FOV. You will have no idea if they're planning to attack and what sort of attack they'll do.
And this is just a small part of the camera issues, which doesn't even touch on the mountain of other issues.
This doesn't even touch on the limited inputs for M&K, with 4 binary movement inputs and 2 main buttons for attacks (or rather, the other being parry/block).
Compared to a game like DMC5, the combat in first person melee games is a joke.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
>it's not a character action game so it's bad
If that's all you had to say then you could have just started with that.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
No anon, I'm saying a pulled back camera is better when it comes to melee combat and a first person camera is better when it comes to shooting.
just move
The problem is the lack of awareness of enemies and how you need to severely restrict the options available to players.
Oh and the controls if we're talking M&K.
If enemies are behind you and they have collision, you could get blocked from even walking backwards because an enemy you can't see is there.
Maybe don't rush in and allow yourself to get surrounded next time you fight imaginary enemies in your head.
Besides, why are you even presenting as example a 1v8?
To even make melee combat work well you have to do 1 of 3 things minimum, sometimes more >severely reduce enemy count, no more than 2-3 max >make enemies extremely stupid and restrictive, so they will actively try to move into your FOV, not attack you from the sides or behind, not attack all at once and basically one at a time (called an AI ticket system, where only the current ticket holder is allowed to attack the player), etc. >make large UI element warn the players of incoming attacks or enemies at all times, since they otherwise have no awareness of said enemies. new enemies could even spawn in from behind you and you would have no way of knowing without UI or the enemies screaming "WE THE ENEMY REINCORCEMENTS ARE HERE TO KILL THE PLAYER"
This is not even touching on the collision issue I mentioned above to the prior anon, or the depth perception problem of you melee attacks (no good way to know your range), that excessive movement options don't work (air combos, teleports, long dashes to link together into the combat doesn't work unless it's very restrictive, controlled and basic).
First person camera is by far the worst camera for melee combat.
Now you might like the idea of it and thinking first person melee combat is "immersive", but it's still the shittiest and worst camera to use for melee combat which makes the combat terrible and basic no matter what.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
I don't hate bamham combat either like many spergs here but this won't be that.
You're right about melee combat though. Here's the full list of every first person title in which melee combat is good:
Mike Tyson's Super Punchout!
Vermintide 2
That's it, that's the list, and it took V2 FOREVER to get there.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
just move
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
right, just backpedal, it's the only way to get everyone in your view. that's why fp is bad at melee range.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
Maybe don't rush in and allow yourself to get surrounded next time you fight imaginary enemies in your head.
Besides, why are you even presenting as example a 1v8?
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
but that's what you do in devil may cry bro
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
why not just use a ranged weapon and avoid the issue altogether?
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
>record scratch... >that blueberry in a field of red dots, that's me >and you are probably wondering how I got into this situation
because you are moronic and you like bleep-blop button mashing games for stupid people that's how
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
>bleep-blop button mashing games for stupid people
avowed isn't out yet though
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
i punched enemies in doom and hexen. get the frick out of here.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
You didn't counter anything and a melee attack in an FPS is not a melee combat system. Good job.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
you're a subhuman console homosexual who gets "motion sickness" from first person view.
https://www.neogaf.com/threads/motion-sickness-an-issue-with-asian-gamers.983282/
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
He's not talking about motion sickness at all, it's just how non-functional FP melee is in general, because the narrow FOV doesn't mirror how people sense their environment, so gameplay and AI have to account for those handicaps and you get shit combat.
I'm not saying it was great, but at least it had something more original about it, and first person added to that. I'd take that over another batman or souls style melee.
Yes, I'm being hyperbolic, but in a way your comment is far harsher. Serviceable is not a bar anyone should strive for and it's ridiculous to try to force a system of combat onto a perspective that doesn't suit it. Just do third person.
>melee FPS
The S in FPS by standard stands for "shooter". Unless you want to go for impromptu "First Person Slasher" or something, the more generic FPP ("First Person Perspective") term would be more appropriate.
If they make it more like dark messiah and less like elder scrolls it might be a fun stopgap.
But modern obsidian is so far up their own ass it will tell some cringy milquetoast slop of a story with middling gameplay that takes all the worst design cues from bg3 while taking itself way too seriously.
Just stick to taking established ip's to weird new directions (le deconstruction and subversion) obsidian, it's what you do best. You by definition cannot subvert and deconstruct your own original story for frick's sake.
Are there even left people who can pull this company? Maybe it is a coincidence, but after they kicked out Chris Avellone, they went whole way down to troonification.
It's literally filled by people who don't like games
They would probably describe it as "we want to change gaming", i.e. they don't like games.
And no, they don't mean they want to make games better.
Are there even left people who can pull this company? Maybe it is a coincidence, but after they kicked out Chris Avellone, they went whole way down to troonification.
>Makes the best single player survival game >Beats Disco Elysium with Pentiment >Outer Worlds ends up being "good enough"
Everything is fine. Just wait until daddy Microsoft punished bad boy Todd for Shartfield and takes away Fallout license.
If Outer Worlds is an indication, then... >Start of the game really good, but then it starts to drag >Copying shit that shouldn't be copied from Bethesda, mainly looting system that ends up being pointless >Disappointing DLCs >Too short
How many of you morons will cling to this? The reason it's "queens and kings" is because both the current AND previous heads of the divine pantheon are female PLUS they're massive, petty, vengeful b***hes. So everyone has to lick their asses.
The funny thing is that the only two unequivocally good deities are male. But of course that doesn't fit your b***hing.
https://i.imgur.com/gZVlIWd.png
What is going to go wrong?
At least the region chosen is interesting. The Living Lands is an island continent of a series of valleys, where each has radically different climates. So one can be a scorching desert, whilst another is an arctic wasteland. And yes, it's supposed to be surreal and unrealistic.
Ohh, look how edgy you are. I hope that straw tastes good.
They want to challenge your views on what a good game looks like, it's meant to help you expand your understanding of gender, err, graphics. These seemingly clashing, garish colors represent freedom of expression and you should not question the artists' choices because it robs them of their happiness for years to come as they reach puberty and progress to full transition, err, professional fulfillment and career advancement.
No, that's because the Living Lands, per Josh Sawyer years back, is supposed to be an almost "Alice in Wonderland" nonsensical landscape.
>actually the people who write for obsidian are totally redpilled misandrists who love heterosexuality and they didn't create the lore to purposefully flip standards
i love this cope
>anon is repeatedly beat about the face and shoulders with a woke log of propaganda >decides to move to Stockholm and call it a straw instead
Whatever works for you I guess.
They want to challenge your views on what a good game looks like, it's meant to help you expand your understanding of gender, err, graphics. These seemingly clashing, garish colors represent freedom of expression and you should not question the artists' choices because it robs them of their happiness for years to come as they reach puberty and progress to full transition, err, professional fulfillment and career advancement.
>"don't expect TESV" >"don't expect BG3"
Honestly I'm not expecting much from this game (can't be worse than Outer Worlds, right? At least gameplay-wise), but it will be funny to see the reactions of people still expecting that "The Elder Scrolls - Obsidian" from this game just because of the original trailer and that story from months ago about Obsidian wanting to make a TES game.
have to listen to companions b***hing about their little dramas and thoughts constantly. hard pass.
"Mandatory companions" is really a weird choice, even Outer Worlds allowed you to miss out on companions depending on your choices (or specific sociopathic habits).
Either your companions in Avowed are blindly loyal to you for some stupid reason or Obsidian will somehow deliver something worse than Outer Worlds (probably the latter, considering this pic
Obsidian has never made a easily moddable game in their existence. Remember, New Vegas is a mod itself and NWN2 has a fraction of the mods of the first game due to its editor.
Aside from the extremely low expectations from the "Creative Lead", the fact that they reshuffled people around 2 times already doesn't really bode well.
If it completed game then it will be boring and unremarkable if it releases with half it The story and the map missing as unplayable shitfest it's will be Seen as the best rpg ever thes how obsidian roll
Is this the thread for moronic codexers that don't play games and just look for shitty games to be offended by and gossip over like women all day? It definitely is right?
After playing PoE and Deadfire I have trust in Sawyer. They should have made BG3 in the style of Deadfire. The Larian fruity shit was unplayable to me.
But after the letdown of DD2 I can't get my hopes up for any AAA games in 2024. I just know it will be tainted by foul moviegame design, dumbed down gameplay, and guaranteed inclusion of black characters in a medieval setting.
But there is retro indie stuff worth playing. Try Felvidek
>After playing PoE and Deadfire I have trust in Sawyer
He's not working on it and this game isn't for poe fans. >The Larian fruity shit was unplayable to me.
But of course you didn't like deadfire anyways and this is just bait, because it is SUPER DUPER fruity and gay.
The appeal of Deadfire is everything but the boat. It's mainly the class design and combat improvements that's the best thing about Deadfire.
No other CRPG has better class design, balance and combat as a whole.
>says that he has played PoE and Deadfire >complains about diversity reflecting real world as if PoE isn't full of that
Most moronic post in this thread
I haven't, maybe you're just desperate? The more news that comes out about the game the worse it looks, and it already looks pretty dang bad. Like I already have zero interest in first person action adventure console slop, and now they're confirming all sorts of awful shit thats making it sound like another outer worlds.
From the image alone we can already see that in making one of these diversity above all else settings that is designed to appeal to everyone it will in fact appeal to no one. Even Wokefire had character, albeit repellant hipster lgbtq worshipping commie character, but this will be processed through another level of soulless than wokeshit, that being Microsoft bureaucracy and decisions by committee, much like Starfield.
I saw a video with their anemic looking spells fired out of harry potter wands and was already laughing last year. This year I'm having fun blowing stuff up with Dragon's Dogma level casting again to make the contrast look even worse.
Perhaps a miracle will happen, and someone with passion will chase all the non-RPG enthusiasts out of the corporate temple, but I won't hold my breath.
>From the image alone we can already see that in making one of these diversity
Based on what? All the colors?
You do realize the Living Lands was always defined by an array of vibrant colors, right? You also realize where the game takes place, right?
It's like travelling to Peru and getting triggered by a naturally forming rainbow mountain because you thought some secret homosexual squad painted the mountain with a brush before you got there.
Yes anon, that is how predictable they are now.
Yes anon, it is the colors.
You can feign incredulity at this, but it is now just like when you see dangling metal balls on a truck hitch, you know that guy's a right wing butthole, and when I see design like that, I know it is full of left wing buttholes.
Yes anon, that is the completely unbelievable point I am making. To you, here in 2024.
Lovely mountains though, I myself have enjoyed arizona's painted desert and the paint pots in Yellowstone immensely. The natural world is full of beauty and this is a video game created by certain mindsets we are speaking of.
>character literally consists of the vibrant colors and flora that defines the living lands >you, the anon with homosex and rainbows on the brain: Hekkin nooooo, they're trying to turn me gaaaaay
You're literally getting triggerd by marketing art having 'too many colors' while claiming others are the irrational ones.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Just stop noticing things and consume. Here is a neet.jpg from which I'll pretend to be the responsible adult in the conversation.
Woke defense force gonna woke defend I suppose. Triggered I am not, I'm just going to mock and not buy you understand.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
Nta; Did you even play outer worlds? Have you seen the current state of obsidian? Trying to act like their product quality hasn't gone down (yes it's worse than before) while their very obvious DEI-pandering has gone up is just a non-starter, which is the actual issue here. I don't give a shit about rainbow roads or neon colors, but obsidian is these days churning out nothing but soulless corporate slop. The sad part is it's not really even about ideology, they literally do it to hit DEI quotas to get the investment gibs. Games and movies have fricking checklists for "diversity" they need to hit to get those sweet, sweet gibs and to be eligble for industry awards. When it's that heavy handed there's no way for it to not interfefe with product quality too.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
They can sell the "what is woke hurr" act on reddit where people can get banned for pointing out the obvious so they think it'll fly here. If only we could load them all into a cannon and shoot them to their promised planet in the gender neutral zone.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
the supposed existence of DEI quotas to get investments is as moronic and unsound as "women get payed 70% for the _same_ work"
ain't no serious financial institution doing it for reals with their clients' money, it's just PR talk and maybe some crumbs to build said PR around
tldr; you are a cultural war moron and it doesn't matter which side you are fighting for, you are still a moron
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
>ain't no serious financial institution doing it for reals >what is Black Rock with $10,000,000,000,000 assets under management >what is the Federal Reserve currency debasement scheme
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
>what is Black Rock
Yeah what is that?
Because the only piece of evidence i ever witnessed being mentioned is some 20 seconds PR talk clip >yeah sure we are doing the thing like 100% yeah sure
You'd see through their bullshit would they claim to be doing literally anything else for PR points, but you are willing to belive this one thing because it will strengthen your narrative >Federal Reserve currency debasement scheme
No idea, please enlighten me
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
You are either a glowBlack person or just an utterly moronic Black personcattle.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
Nta, but >PR
No one said financial organizations and companies actually believe in their bullshit. It doesn't really even matter. The scam they are pushing is very real though. And it probably works as a way to get some segments of ideological investors and the public sector drawn in too. It's also a great firewall for any outside claims of unethical business practices and convienently filters all potential insiders who might have qualms about their business practices; >just look at our ESG score and DEI department, our numbers show we are morally correct!
If you claim ignorance about esg/dei or blackrock and their ilk, and the scam they are pushing you shouldn't really even join the conversation before actually knowing something. Ignorance of something is not an argument here.
The previous matters aren't really even needed to go through since we can go directly to the sausage factory: xbox game studios (obsidian) is literally consulted by SBI, as you can read on their own website.
tl;dr: modern obsidian products are cobbled together and pushed through a corporate-rightthink filter, resulting in uninspired slop.
Avowed will be shit just like outer worlds.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
what are the mechanisms behind the scam tho? how is it supposed to work? >xbox game studios (obsidian) is literally consulted by SBI, as you can read on their own website
this is not the point of the discussion I started, same goes for
Obsidian's parent company is xbox game studios, which is again owned by microsoft gaming, which is owned by, duh, microsoft.
Obsidian and its parent companies are fully into dei/esg, not only is it not debatable, it's something they proudly proclaim. Because it's free investment money where the only price you pay is having to include hackneyed pandering and employment initiatives (=your soul).
What a shitty attempt at gaslighting.
You fundamentally misunderstand the relationship. One, a ~~*cartel of the giant banks*~~ seized control of the U.S. money supply in 1913 (the “federal” “reserve”) and now control the money supply. Now instead of the government issuing money, the government sells a bond, the private central bank creates money out of nothing, buys the bond, and the government owes the private central bank interest. And to pay that interest they have to sell a bond… and you see where this goes. Control of the money supply can be used to induce depressions (see the 20s and 30s) and then print money and buy up cheap assets at a fire sale, until these bankers end up owning nearly everything after several generational cycles. See that graph, almost all money printed nowadays goes directly to those financiers connected to the central bank, with money printing and top 0.1% wealth tracking perfectly, while the goyim suffer stagnant wages from mass immigration and higher prices due to the money supply inflation reducing the value of their money. Simply, it’s taking the same pie but shaving off everyone else’s slices and giving it to yourself. Just like coin clipping.
Black Rock is one of these politically connected hedge funds and they partly own nearly everything. Larry Fink came up with a scheme called ESG where they rank your company according to various social metrics and give you a score, and if they like your score you get juicy 0% loans of printed fiat. It’s social engineering to extort and coerce companies into behaving how they want by printing fake Monopoly money. The top does it to control and brainwash the goyim. The goyim have the PR clunkiness to beg for the Monopoly money raining down on them.
This is why all the games (and every other industry) suddenly turned to shit, they had to pander to this shit. What customers want literally doesn’t matter, they’re subsidized with infinite fake money. There’s no more market forces.
>juicy 0% loans
this is made up tho, how is blackrock connected with the federal reserve bank?
also ESG is just one option out of many ways to get your investments managed, it's just gets a lot of PR due to virtuesignaling nature of today's firstworlders
Those mining companies in africa have no issues getting investments from the very same firms
BlackRock is managing trillions because they can show returns on investments
Even if some financial organization wants some sort of "ethical" investment portfolios from blackrock or any other investment institution they are still in it for a profit, it's not a charity
this is the fundamental truth you and the other loonies pretend to not see
what's even funnier is that this fricker
The reason it's so hard for people to digest these facts is because their identity is built on top of a worldview they formed as children where the world is supposed to make sense and people are basically good. Individuals are resistant to that knowledge because it causes an identity crisis where the bottom drops out of their constructed reality. Even if they get through that, they can lose all faith in everything and start believing insane shit like the earth is flat or demons control us because all authority has become untrustworthy. Consciousness without a conception of divinity is hard.
goes on about naive worldview but failing miserably at the simple understanding that rich investment companies got rich and stay rich by investing to generate a profit
the more replies I read in this thread the stronger I'm inclined to conclude that you are in fact a bunch of conspiracy theorists with no actual understanding of literally anything
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
You are stuck at the middle level of understanding. You think the purpose of finance is to make money, when the purpose of money is to exercise power. Profitability is necessary only to as to get other people to join in, to use greed to move people and you can prop up your unprofitable investments, designed to enact something within society, with other profitable ventures, which is why diversification is so important to them.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
>xbox game studios (obsidian) is literally consulted by SBI, as you can read on their own website >this is not the point of the discussion I started
It's in fact the most valid point since it's a thing that directly affects obsidian's dev process and writing.
The rest of the discussion has already sprouted out into multiple less-and-less /vrpg/ related topics that also go so hard into the paint it starts to smell like own-goaling well-poisoning instead.
Obsidian's track record ever since the microsoft aqcuisition is mid as frick. And the writing has been snooze inducing.
I'm willing to give pentiment a pass since it's not a game for me and was sawyer's personal autism project anyway.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
pentiment was designed to teach white people, i think german schools bought it to let students play and "learn", that really they've always be rabble to be roused and diverse and homosexual. that's why it's set around martin luther's time, when the race towards the bottom began.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
So you were pretending to be totally ignorant, but are in fact full of shit. >how is blackrock connected with the federal reserve bank? >hurr how is trillions of dollars hedge fund influenced by the fed
Yeah you can type that shit all you want and this is exactly why no one listens to leftists anymore. Can you please stop embarrassing yourself and this board? >Per you: ALL the companies are doing it for ESG aka "ethical" investments >If you believe lots of companies are doing it you're a looney conspiracy theorist!
People can go to the websites and see exactly how it is pushed. My financial managers try to sell me ESG funds, or rather they did before Fink announced the term was box office poison and so they began to find new ways to push the same shit. It's monopoly power plain and simple to force political propaganda from the trillion top of the market down. Video games are just a holdover now that is still filling their ranks with these worthless criteria.
>0 percent interest rates = free money = lots of propaganda projects and boondoggles >rates go up = companies start to fold that shit in
You have no "truth" all you have is your shitty worldview that attempts to blame capitalism for everything while giving leftist propaganda based nepotism and value subtracted corruption in these companies a pass.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
I never blamed capitalism for anything buddy
capitalism is exactly why investment firms will invest in what returns [the best] profit
and the whatever is considered "ethical" at the time portfolio will remain little more than a PR move
>show me your evidence >your evidence >your evidencia!
article/esg-as-an-artifact-of-zirp-2/
5 minutes is enough to see that this talk clearly has nothing to do with actual economics as a science or business activity nor is this institution an actual scientific institution as a quick google search indicated
literally a bunch of morons masquerading as a serious institution behind self proclaimed titles
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
You fundamentally misunderstand the relationship. One, a ~~*cartel of the giant banks*~~ seized control of the U.S. money supply in 1913 (the “federal” “reserve”) and now control the money supply. Now instead of the government issuing money, the government sells a bond, the private central bank creates money out of nothing, buys the bond, and the government owes the private central bank interest. And to pay that interest they have to sell a bond… and you see where this goes. Control of the money supply can be used to induce depressions (see the 20s and 30s) and then print money and buy up cheap assets at a fire sale, until these bankers end up owning nearly everything after several generational cycles. See that graph, almost all money printed nowadays goes directly to those financiers connected to the central bank, with money printing and top 0.1% wealth tracking perfectly, while the goyim suffer stagnant wages from mass immigration and higher prices due to the money supply inflation reducing the value of their money. Simply, it’s taking the same pie but shaving off everyone else’s slices and giving it to yourself. Just like coin clipping.
Black Rock is one of these politically connected hedge funds and they partly own nearly everything. Larry Fink came up with a scheme called ESG where they rank your company according to various social metrics and give you a score, and if they like your score you get juicy 0% loans of printed fiat. It’s social engineering to extort and coerce companies into behaving how they want by printing fake Monopoly money. The top does it to control and brainwash the goyim. The goyim have the PR clunkiness to beg for the Monopoly money raining down on them.
This is why all the games (and every other industry) suddenly turned to shit, they had to pander to this shit. What customers want literally doesn’t matter, they’re subsidized with infinite fake money. There’s no more market forces.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
The reason it's so hard for people to digest these facts is because their identity is built on top of a worldview they formed as children where the world is supposed to make sense and people are basically good. Individuals are resistant to that knowledge because it causes an identity crisis where the bottom drops out of their constructed reality. Even if they get through that, they can lose all faith in everything and start believing insane shit like the earth is flat or demons control us because all authority has become untrustworthy. Consciousness without a conception of divinity is hard.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
I largely agree and I went through it myself. >insane shit like the earth is flat
Psyop to discredit with a fake rabbit hole. >or demons control us becase all authority has become untrustworthy
Closer to the truth than many might think. How many talents of tribute did Solomon receive annually? >Consciousness without a conception of divinity is hard.
Truth.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
Obsidian's parent company is xbox game studios, which is again owned by microsoft gaming, which is owned by, duh, microsoft.
Obsidian and its parent companies are fully into dei/esg, not only is it not debatable, it's something they proudly proclaim. Because it's free investment money where the only price you pay is having to include hackneyed pandering and employment initiatives (=your soul).
What a shitty attempt at gaslighting.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
They're also listed on SBI's own front page which is a pretty obvious indicator. "Free" money is just way too big of an incentive for the studios not to bite and swallow some shit ik exchange.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
>free investment money where the only price you pay is having to include hackneyed pandering and employment initiatives
Please give link to application form
I would also like some free money
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
first you have to be big enough to bother giving money to
every mouthbreather who still has hopes for obsidian's new turd should read what kotaku had to say about the lead writer's magnum opus cod vanguard https://kotaku.com/call-of-duty-vanguards-campaign-is-an-insult-to-world-1848042030
>Just look at Outer Worlds
Why not look at avowed when judging avowed? It's not like it's a mystery anymore, they have released enough in game footage that you can get a decent look at the vibrant colors.
There is a certain irony in the fact that obsidian's first release after getting bought out by microsoft was a game with very superficial themes of "le ebil capitalism" that was completely toothless and void of any deeper insight.
Still sells to half the fricking morons on this board and they'll cope on it till they die lol.
Then they go to their retail bank, get murdered on fees, and rent every service in their life, take out loans and cc, while trying to live off grift and buy shiny stuff so they're not embarrassed next to their equally moronic neighbor who might have a better vape and less crusty piss5 than them.
Ever notice how these low effort video games, shows, and movies are always a thinly veiled excuse to create a soapbox to scream about topical politics on your PC or TV in your house disguised as "entertainment" they are trying to sell you?
Its funny watching Obsidian slipping for decades into being Bioware 2.0, a total repeat of history, and midwits still being in denial about it.
This will keep on happening to companies and you guys will continue to be in denial.
Now watch as some mouthbreather replies to this post by saying that I hate Obisidan or something similarly stupid.
>into being Bioware 2.0
But that's Larian. They're the ones leaning into bad romances, bad writing, pushing visual fidelity/production value for RPGs while just being shallow garbage for the masses, while not pushing the genre forward at all.
I don't especially love larian's style, but at least they are leagues ahead in technical competence.
Obsidian has literally nothing going for them. Nothing. And it's laughable to pretend obsidian is pushing anything forwards beside corporate slop. At least Larian's ownership majority is still in the studio's hands.
>leagues ahead in technical competence
He says, as I remember everything past Act 1 in BG3 to be littered with a metric fricktons of issues, broken questline, dialogue not loading (as in companions just stop talking for the rest of the game).
>Obsidian has literally nothing going for them
They have some really talented people. People that have been there making RPGs from pretty much the beginning and made the classics people love. It's just not most of the team.
Also, Deadfire is by far the best looking CRPG to date.
>At least Larian's ownership majority is still in the studio's hands.
Which doesn't matter if it doesn't improve the results.
Those "really talented people" sure showed their talent in outer worlds. What a masterpiece of game design and technical brilliance. >Deadfire is by far the best looking CRPG to date
That isn't even funny, that's just delusional. It doesn't even look better than the old ie games, the only thing they have is higher resolution. >It doesn't matter obsidian sold out to their corporate overlords
Of course it doesn't. Of course it doesn't.
What a genuine lad you are.
Looking forward to avowed day one release on gamepass.
They didn't end up beating todd. They ended up becoming todd.
>That isn't even funny, that's just delusional. It doesn't even look better than the old ie games
When you make statements like this I hope you realize that no one on this board will take you seriously anymore and will disregard you as either an idiot or troll.
In case it wasn't obvious, I don't waste time on idiots or trolls.
>He says, as I remember everything past Act 1 in BG3 to be littered with a metric fricktons of issues, broken questline, dialogue not loading (as in companions just stop talking for the rest of the game).
Sure glad no obsidian game has ever needed post-release patching.
But for real,
>into being Bioware 2.0
But that's Larian. They're the ones leaning into bad romances, bad writing, pushing visual fidelity/production value for RPGs while just being shallow garbage for the masses, while not pushing the genre forward at all.
first crying about upped demand for visual fidelity and production value and then grasping at straws with bug references is pathetic. No matter how gay and shit one considers bg3 to be it's undeniable it upped the game on the techical front and has caused endless seethe among hacks how an "unrealistic standard" it set for other developers. Sawyer himself was crying about this. And I'm not saying it's good for the genre but it is a fact.
>Sure glad no obsidian game
Reading comprehension, learn it. This was in response to
I don't especially love larian's style, but at least they are leagues ahead in technical competence.
Obsidian has literally nothing going for them. Nothing. And it's laughable to pretend obsidian is pushing anything forwards beside corporate slop. At least Larian's ownership majority is still in the studio's hands.
praising Larian for being "leagues ahead in technical competence".
Tone down your fanboy defence force.
>But for real
I said tone down your fanboy behaviour. It's embarrassing.
The anon at
Its funny watching Obsidian slipping for decades into being Bioware 2.0, a total repeat of history, and midwits still being in denial about it.
This will keep on happening to companies and you guys will continue to be in denial.
Now watch as some mouthbreather replies to this post by saying that I hate Obisidan or something similarly stupid.
compared Obsidian to Bioware, but the ones closest to Bioware now is Larian. >upped the game on the techical front
You really should clarify that you meant visuals. But it really didn't, since Witcher 3 exists and that isn't even a proper RPG.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
>points out direct responses with direct connections >meanwhile you literally deflect with no arguments, while claiming others did what you just did
Tone down your Larian fanboyism and deflection.
The types of games and what they sell them on far better aligns Larian with older Bioware than Obsidian. I could make a list of greentext to explain it to you, but we both know you would just ignore it and deflect.
I don't give a single frick about bg3, mostly since it caters to "everyone" (i.e. it's going for mass appeal with the low hanging fruit).
However to remind of the actual topic:
1) obsidian has nothing to offer anymore and
2) their recent releases have been very underwhelning with no indiciation things would be getting better. I'm especially interested in hearing how you'd argue against this one.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
Obsidian is going the way of bioware and todd, it's obvious at this point. There is absolutely zero indication of course correction or even an attempt at that.
It's pretty telling when the shills don't even pretend to defend outer worlds since it's unanimously considered a giant steaming turd.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
>don't even pretend to defend outer worlds since it's unanimously considered a giant steaming turd.
Only fanboys defend shit or take sides. People like you. Everyone else just doesn't care what someone with the mental age of a 9 year old thinks when they've already made up their mind with no intention of changing it or even discuss it.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
>However to remind of the actual topic: >1) obsidian has nothing to offer anymore and
Topic of what? What you want to peddle? That isn't even a topic, just a baseless statement.
>2) their recent releases have been very underwhelning with no indiciation things would be getting better
Which applies to all modern RPG devs.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Which applies to all modern RPG devs.
So we agree obsidian has become shit and it's more than likely avowed will do nothing to change that notion.
Glad we had this chat.
>People that have been there making RPGs
only they aren't really working on aWOWed are they?
(except maybe in consulting positions, ie not having the final say)
Those "really talented people" sure showed their talent in outer worlds. What a masterpiece of game design and technical brilliance. >Deadfire is by far the best looking CRPG to date
That isn't even funny, that's just delusional. It doesn't even look better than the old ie games, the only thing they have is higher resolution. >It doesn't matter obsidian sold out to their corporate overlords
Of course it doesn't. Of course it doesn't.
What a genuine lad you are.
Looking forward to avowed day one release on gamepass.
They didn't end up beating todd. They ended up becoming todd.
>Also, Deadfire is by far the best looking CRPG to date.
The guy who did the deadfire renders quit. Basically everyone responsible for deadfires positives are not working on this.
>Sure glad no obsidian game
Reading comprehension, learn it. This was in response to [...] praising Larian for being "leagues ahead in technical competence".
Tone down your fanboy defence force.
>But for real
I said tone down your fanboy behaviour. It's embarrassing.
The anon at [...] compared Obsidian to Bioware, but the ones closest to Bioware now is Larian. >upped the game on the techical front
You really should clarify that you meant visuals. But it really didn't, since Witcher 3 exists and that isn't even a proper RPG.
>or something similarly stupid.
Looks like I was right again.
You people cannot go 5 minutes without deflection.
>points out direct responses with direct connections >meanwhile you literally deflect with no arguments, while claiming others did what you just did
Tone down your Larian fanboyism and deflection.
The types of games and what they sell them on far better aligns Larian with older Bioware than Obsidian. I could make a list of greentext to explain it to you, but we both know you would just ignore it and deflect.
>didn't even try to refute me!!!!
Oh, you mean what you have never ever done ITT? Fascinating when hypocrites like you are this delusional. You're literally doing absolutely everything you accuse others of, while they none of they things you claim.
I made arguments, you made literally nothing to refute.
For example, let's focus more on the Larian & Bioware thing, since that will give you more things you'll ignore and deflect, while providing absolutely 0 arguments or points. >larian focuses more on romances and sex, something Obsidian has openly said they want to move more away from. larian even pushes the sex aspect further, into their marketing and "goofy" sex options like bear sex. a bit along the lines of what Bioware could do with say Dragon Age and their gay dwarf sex prostitute >larian focuses more on visual fidelity and production value in a 3D space, like Bioware did, over any actual innovations, along with full VO (something Obsidian and other companies admit they felt forced to do because DOS2 set a full VO expectation among the audience)
Let's start with this, since it gives you something to ignore and deflect, while pretending that you're the one making actual arguments here.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
oh boy, another schizo meltdown, that didn't take long after deadfire was brought up
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
You sured me anon that you don't deflect and ignore what people say
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
Why would I argue with a proven dim-wit?
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Why would I argue
Because it’s the only reason you come here and you’ll compulsively propel this thread to the bump limit with your petty spergouts, while pretending that you won’t.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Why would I argue
Because it’s the only reason you come here and you’ll compulsively propel this thread to the bump limit with your petty spergouts, while pretending that you won’t.
Get a room already.
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
Why would you discuss things? Why to challenge your ideas, to increase the quality of the thread and board, to give a purpose to the thread or any number of reasons.
A better question is why do you endlessly shitpost and nothing else instead? I hope you're not one of those anons complaining about the poor quality of the board, because you're one of them actively making it bad. This is the part where you tell us everyone else is shitting up the thread and board, not you
4 weeks ago
Anonymous
He is, and constantly threatens to make it even worse, as a treat
Already looks pretty fruity if you ask me.
Yeah, the game is directed by Carrie Patel. Who is a raging feminist. And now that Microsoft's wokification practices have been brought to light. You can already assume the game will lecture you, and patronize the whole time.
Soon as “queens and kings” dropped it was ogre
I don't know what you're talking about, is this part of the trailer?
That's too bad. You're a bigot, and they'll make sure you know it, by making shit games, and inserting PoC in them, so if you complain about the game, they can pin your negative reaction on racism.
Consult a fortune teller
Lets hope it will be at least good.
obsidian once again trying to be bethesda
FP melee combat is never and will never be good.
git gud, sounds like a lack of skill to me.
>lack of skill
>Obshitdian game
No, they are quite easy, usually, because they have to gimp the game to fit the perspective. It's all about the camera work and narrow FoV and how limited your movements are. They are invariably awful and think constant shaking and swerving is good. Too many Hollywood movies.
Even the games with above average melee combat like Dishonored 2 is still donkey dick.
First person camera is terrible for melee and mainly using the mouse for attacks severely limits attack options.
I will give you a (you) out of pity
What part of a first person camera is shit for melee combat confuses you?
Is it the part where the up close camera makes it impossible to see and notice enemies around or even right next to you (meaning you either have to disable AI behaviour for anything off-screen or fill it with UI markers to signal some generic attack is coming)?
Is it the part where M&K results in limited inputs along with the camera?
Is it the part where having more enemies on screen makes the combat extremely cluttered and messy, with attacks and telegraphs being hard to read?
Or is it something else? There's a lot after all.
No by all means educate us oh master of melee first person combat. Why is first person combat so incredibly amazing. I'm sure you're totally capable of answering beyond just a shitpost. Totally.
you sound mad lmao, maybe you should play more video games.
You are suppose to create a mental image of the environment while you play the game and extrapolate the enemy positioning based on their movement and sound cues, and the direction of the attacks is based on the movement of the mouse.
You do realize absolutely none of what you posted disproves what I said or proves that melee combat is good, right?
Game awareness is much much worse than human awareness, for all senses.
You will not notice enemies not inside your FOV. You will have no idea if they're planning to attack and what sort of attack they'll do.
And this is just a small part of the camera issues, which doesn't even touch on the mountain of other issues.
This doesn't even touch on the limited inputs for M&K, with 4 binary movement inputs and 2 main buttons for attacks (or rather, the other being parry/block).
Compared to a game like DMC5, the combat in first person melee games is a joke.
>it's not a character action game so it's bad
If that's all you had to say then you could have just started with that.
No anon, I'm saying a pulled back camera is better when it comes to melee combat and a first person camera is better when it comes to shooting.
The problem is the lack of awareness of enemies and how you need to severely restrict the options available to players.
Oh and the controls if we're talking M&K.
If enemies are behind you and they have collision, you could get blocked from even walking backwards because an enemy you can't see is there.
To even make melee combat work well you have to do 1 of 3 things minimum, sometimes more
>severely reduce enemy count, no more than 2-3 max
>make enemies extremely stupid and restrictive, so they will actively try to move into your FOV, not attack you from the sides or behind, not attack all at once and basically one at a time (called an AI ticket system, where only the current ticket holder is allowed to attack the player), etc.
>make large UI element warn the players of incoming attacks or enemies at all times, since they otherwise have no awareness of said enemies. new enemies could even spawn in from behind you and you would have no way of knowing without UI or the enemies screaming "WE THE ENEMY REINCORCEMENTS ARE HERE TO KILL THE PLAYER"
This is not even touching on the collision issue I mentioned above to the prior anon, or the depth perception problem of you melee attacks (no good way to know your range), that excessive movement options don't work (air combos, teleports, long dashes to link together into the combat doesn't work unless it's very restrictive, controlled and basic).
First person camera is by far the worst camera for melee combat.
Now you might like the idea of it and thinking first person melee combat is "immersive", but it's still the shittiest and worst camera to use for melee combat which makes the combat terrible and basic no matter what.
I don't hate bamham combat either like many spergs here but this won't be that.
You're right about melee combat though. Here's the full list of every first person title in which melee combat is good:
Mike Tyson's Super Punchout!
Vermintide 2
That's it, that's the list, and it took V2 FOREVER to get there.
just move
right, just backpedal, it's the only way to get everyone in your view. that's why fp is bad at melee range.
Maybe don't rush in and allow yourself to get surrounded next time you fight imaginary enemies in your head.
Besides, why are you even presenting as example a 1v8?
but that's what you do in devil may cry bro
why not just use a ranged weapon and avoid the issue altogether?
>record scratch...
>that blueberry in a field of red dots, that's me
>and you are probably wondering how I got into this situation
because you are moronic and you like bleep-blop button mashing games for stupid people that's how
>bleep-blop button mashing games for stupid people
avowed isn't out yet though
i punched enemies in doom and hexen. get the frick out of here.
You didn't counter anything and a melee attack in an FPS is not a melee combat system. Good job.
you're a subhuman console homosexual who gets "motion sickness" from first person view.
https://www.neogaf.com/threads/motion-sickness-an-issue-with-asian-gamers.983282/
He's not talking about motion sickness at all, it's just how non-functional FP melee is in general, because the narrow FOV doesn't mirror how people sense their environment, so gameplay and AI have to account for those handicaps and you get shit combat.
Kingdom Come was alright.
no
I'm not saying it was great, but at least it had something more original about it, and first person added to that. I'd take that over another batman or souls style melee.
I agree that the gameplay tends to feel off in melee FPS, like maybe simplistic and it just hasn't found a good mix of strategy and reactivity yet.
That being said, you just don't like those games and thats fine. Many are servicable.
Yes, I'm being hyperbolic, but in a way your comment is far harsher. Serviceable is not a bar anyone should strive for and it's ridiculous to try to force a system of combat onto a perspective that doesn't suit it. Just do third person.
>melee FPS
The S in FPS by standard stands for "shooter". Unless you want to go for impromptu "First Person Slasher" or something, the more generic FPP ("First Person Perspective") term would be more appropriate.
It has guns so it's a shooter, simple as.
damn shit homie check em digits god damn frick
It's a shooter, I agree, my king
>Six of 'em
its obsidian troons
therefore EVERYTHING
Is this official artwork? It's actually fricking nice.
If they make it more like dark messiah and less like elder scrolls it might be a fun stopgap.
But modern obsidian is so far up their own ass it will tell some cringy milquetoast slop of a story with middling gameplay that takes all the worst design cues from bg3 while taking itself way too seriously.
Just stick to taking established ip's to weird new directions (le deconstruction and subversion) obsidian, it's what you do best. You by definition cannot subvert and deconstruct your own original story for frick's sake.
It will just be Outer Worlds With Swords. Probably even worse writing and characters.
The unhinged shitposting regardless of whatever comes out.
Are there even left people who can pull this company? Maybe it is a coincidence, but after they kicked out Chris Avellone, they went whole way down to troonification.
It's literally filled by people who don't like games
They would probably describe it as "we want to change gaming", i.e. they don't like games.
And no, they don't mean they want to make games better.
>Makes the best single player survival game
>Beats Disco Elysium with Pentiment
>Outer Worlds ends up being "good enough"
Everything is fine. Just wait until daddy Microsoft punished bad boy Todd for Shartfield and takes away Fallout license.
I can't even tell if this is a shitpost anymore due to the amount of actual mouthbreathers this board has these days.
Also checked.
If Outer Worlds is an indication, then...
>Start of the game really good, but then it starts to drag
>Copying shit that shouldn't be copied from Bethesda, mainly looting system that ends up being pointless
>Disappointing DLCs
>Too short
It won't be as big as anons expect and they will call it shit, similar to how anons compared Outer Worlds to Bethesda games in terms of scope.
>No romancing companions
Into the trash it goes.
>QUEENS AND KINGS
It was already over.
How many of you morons will cling to this? The reason it's "queens and kings" is because both the current AND previous heads of the divine pantheon are female PLUS they're massive, petty, vengeful b***hes. So everyone has to lick their asses.
The funny thing is that the only two unequivocally good deities are male. But of course that doesn't fit your b***hing.
At least the region chosen is interesting. The Living Lands is an island continent of a series of valleys, where each has radically different climates. So one can be a scorching desert, whilst another is an arctic wasteland. And yes, it's supposed to be surreal and unrealistic.
>there is shit in your plate, but also a few pieces of corn
>therefore its not shit and you should like it
just kys, troon
Ohh, look how edgy you are. I hope that straw tastes good.
No, that's because the Living Lands, per Josh Sawyer years back, is supposed to be an almost "Alice in Wonderland" nonsensical landscape.
So they're just Shivering Isles? A dlc for oblivion? They're literally copying Todd of all people?
Obsidianbros not like this...
heh, nothing personnel kid
p.s. pls buy starfield
>actually the people who write for obsidian are totally redpilled misandrists who love heterosexuality and they didn't create the lore to purposefully flip standards
i love this cope
Aren't you tired of constantly eating that straw?
Shivering Isles had one environ, though.
Nta but there's a difference between disingenious strawmanning and obvious hyperbole for the purpose of ridicule.
how's your crow?
>anon is repeatedly beat about the face and shoulders with a woke log of propaganda
>decides to move to Stockholm and call it a straw instead
Whatever works for you I guess.
It would be much easier to ask what might accidently go right.
I fear it will be mediocre like every game made by obsidian except new vegas. But maybe theyll get it right this time
They want to challenge your views on what a good game looks like, it's meant to help you expand your understanding of gender, err, graphics. These seemingly clashing, garish colors represent freedom of expression and you should not question the artists' choices because it robs them of their happiness for years to come as they reach puberty and progress to full transition, err, professional fulfillment and career advancement.
>"don't expect TESV"
>"don't expect BG3"
Honestly I'm not expecting much from this game (can't be worse than Outer Worlds, right? At least gameplay-wise), but it will be funny to see the reactions of people still expecting that "The Elder Scrolls - Obsidian" from this game just because of the original trailer and that story from months ago about Obsidian wanting to make a TES game.
Open world games are a waste of time, this was a good call.
>you can't skip recruiting someone
Jfc, you're literally forced to go through their bullshit
"Mandatory companions" is really a weird choice, even Outer Worlds allowed you to miss out on companions depending on your choices (or specific sociopathic habits).
Either your companions in Avowed are blindly loyal to you for some stupid reason or Obsidian will somehow deliver something worse than Outer Worlds (probably the latter, considering this pic
).
have to listen to companions b***hing about their little dramas and thoughts constantly. hard pass.
You need is over when the dev is trying to lower your expectations before the game is out.
Easy to mod = possibly a smash hit with a long lifetime
Can't mod = fun for a few months then forgotten
Obsidian has never made a easily moddable game in their existence. Remember, New Vegas is a mod itself and NWN2 has a fraction of the mods of the first game due to its editor.
At least the story
its ogre
Aside from the extremely low expectations from the "Creative Lead", the fact that they reshuffled people around 2 times already doesn't really bode well.
Who would've guessed? Oh no no obshitian shill sisters, how do we cope this one away?
bruh
Now I'm glad they will never do a 3d Arcanum
homie, its current year.
Of course its going to suck because it will be lame and gay aka woke.
If it completed game then it will be boring and unremarkable if it releases with half it The story and the map missing as unplayable shitfest it's will be Seen as the best rpg ever thes how obsidian roll
The game looks ugly as frick, so there is that already.
Not only talking about graphics, the art direction is atrocious too.
Is this the thread for moronic codexers that don't play games and just look for shitty games to be offended by and gossip over like women all day? It definitely is right?
Only people that get offended and triggered on this board are people that are told that something they like is not perfect.
After playing PoE and Deadfire I have trust in Sawyer. They should have made BG3 in the style of Deadfire. The Larian fruity shit was unplayable to me.
But after the letdown of DD2 I can't get my hopes up for any AAA games in 2024. I just know it will be tainted by foul moviegame design, dumbed down gameplay, and guaranteed inclusion of black characters in a medieval setting.
But there is retro indie stuff worth playing. Try Felvidek
Sawyer isn't involved with Avowed, it's just set in the PoE world.
>After playing PoE and Deadfire I have trust in Sawyer
He's not working on it and this game isn't for poe fans.
>The Larian fruity shit was unplayable to me.
But of course you didn't like deadfire anyways and this is just bait, because it is SUPER DUPER fruity and gay.
>SUPER DUPER fruity and gay
nta
but deadfire is much more serious toned
>serious toned
You sail around doing shonen anime shit with a gay fish sidekick, that's like the entire appeal of deadfire
The appeal of Deadfire is everything but the boat. It's mainly the class design and combat improvements that's the best thing about Deadfire.
No other CRPG has better class design, balance and combat as a whole.
>says that he has played PoE and Deadfire
>complains about diversity reflecting real world as if PoE isn't full of that
Most moronic post in this thread
I've actually been feeling more optimistic about this game lately. I don't know why, I've just got that feeling.
I haven't, maybe you're just desperate? The more news that comes out about the game the worse it looks, and it already looks pretty dang bad. Like I already have zero interest in first person action adventure console slop, and now they're confirming all sorts of awful shit thats making it sound like another outer worlds.
Action gameplay. Reduces diversity of characters by like three, and enforces voiced dialogue that reduces reactivity by three.
From the image alone we can already see that in making one of these diversity above all else settings that is designed to appeal to everyone it will in fact appeal to no one. Even Wokefire had character, albeit repellant hipster lgbtq worshipping commie character, but this will be processed through another level of soulless than wokeshit, that being Microsoft bureaucracy and decisions by committee, much like Starfield.
I saw a video with their anemic looking spells fired out of harry potter wands and was already laughing last year. This year I'm having fun blowing stuff up with Dragon's Dogma level casting again to make the contrast look even worse.
Perhaps a miracle will happen, and someone with passion will chase all the non-RPG enthusiasts out of the corporate temple, but I won't hold my breath.
>From the image alone we can already see that in making one of these diversity
Based on what? All the colors?
You do realize the Living Lands was always defined by an array of vibrant colors, right? You also realize where the game takes place, right?
It's like travelling to Peru and getting triggered by a naturally forming rainbow mountain because you thought some secret homosexual squad painted the mountain with a brush before you got there.
Yes anon, that is how predictable they are now.
Yes anon, it is the colors.
You can feign incredulity at this, but it is now just like when you see dangling metal balls on a truck hitch, you know that guy's a right wing butthole, and when I see design like that, I know it is full of left wing buttholes.
Yes anon, that is the completely unbelievable point I am making. To you, here in 2024.
Lovely mountains though, I myself have enjoyed arizona's painted desert and the paint pots in Yellowstone immensely. The natural world is full of beauty and this is a video game created by certain mindsets we are speaking of.
>character literally consists of the vibrant colors and flora that defines the living lands
>you, the anon with homosex and rainbows on the brain: Hekkin nooooo, they're trying to turn me gaaaaay
You're all so tiresome and by that I mean both the propagandists, and their coping footsoldiers like you.
You're literally getting triggerd by marketing art having 'too many colors' while claiming others are the irrational ones.
>Just stop noticing things and consume. Here is a neet.jpg from which I'll pretend to be the responsible adult in the conversation.
Woke defense force gonna woke defend I suppose. Triggered I am not, I'm just going to mock and not buy you understand.
Nta; Did you even play outer worlds? Have you seen the current state of obsidian? Trying to act like their product quality hasn't gone down (yes it's worse than before) while their very obvious DEI-pandering has gone up is just a non-starter, which is the actual issue here. I don't give a shit about rainbow roads or neon colors, but obsidian is these days churning out nothing but soulless corporate slop. The sad part is it's not really even about ideology, they literally do it to hit DEI quotas to get the investment gibs. Games and movies have fricking checklists for "diversity" they need to hit to get those sweet, sweet gibs and to be eligble for industry awards. When it's that heavy handed there's no way for it to not interfefe with product quality too.
They can sell the "what is woke hurr" act on reddit where people can get banned for pointing out the obvious so they think it'll fly here. If only we could load them all into a cannon and shoot them to their promised planet in the gender neutral zone.
the supposed existence of DEI quotas to get investments is as moronic and unsound as "women get payed 70% for the _same_ work"
ain't no serious financial institution doing it for reals with their clients' money, it's just PR talk and maybe some crumbs to build said PR around
tldr; you are a cultural war moron and it doesn't matter which side you are fighting for, you are still a moron
>ain't no serious financial institution doing it for reals
>what is Black Rock with $10,000,000,000,000 assets under management
>what is the Federal Reserve currency debasement scheme
>what is Black Rock
Yeah what is that?
Because the only piece of evidence i ever witnessed being mentioned is some 20 seconds PR talk clip
>yeah sure we are doing the thing like 100% yeah sure
You'd see through their bullshit would they claim to be doing literally anything else for PR points, but you are willing to belive this one thing because it will strengthen your narrative
>Federal Reserve currency debasement scheme
No idea, please enlighten me
You are either a glowBlack person or just an utterly moronic Black personcattle.
Nta, but
>PR
No one said financial organizations and companies actually believe in their bullshit. It doesn't really even matter. The scam they are pushing is very real though. And it probably works as a way to get some segments of ideological investors and the public sector drawn in too. It's also a great firewall for any outside claims of unethical business practices and convienently filters all potential insiders who might have qualms about their business practices;
>just look at our ESG score and DEI department, our numbers show we are morally correct!
If you claim ignorance about esg/dei or blackrock and their ilk, and the scam they are pushing you shouldn't really even join the conversation before actually knowing something. Ignorance of something is not an argument here.
The previous matters aren't really even needed to go through since we can go directly to the sausage factory: xbox game studios (obsidian) is literally consulted by SBI, as you can read on their own website.
tl;dr: modern obsidian products are cobbled together and pushed through a corporate-rightthink filter, resulting in uninspired slop.
Avowed will be shit just like outer worlds.
what are the mechanisms behind the scam tho? how is it supposed to work?
>xbox game studios (obsidian) is literally consulted by SBI, as you can read on their own website
this is not the point of the discussion I started, same goes for
>juicy 0% loans
this is made up tho, how is blackrock connected with the federal reserve bank?
also ESG is just one option out of many ways to get your investments managed, it's just gets a lot of PR due to virtuesignaling nature of today's firstworlders
Those mining companies in africa have no issues getting investments from the very same firms
BlackRock is managing trillions because they can show returns on investments
Even if some financial organization wants some sort of "ethical" investment portfolios from blackrock or any other investment institution they are still in it for a profit, it's not a charity
this is the fundamental truth you and the other loonies pretend to not see
what's even funnier is that this fricker
goes on about naive worldview but failing miserably at the simple understanding that rich investment companies got rich and stay rich by investing to generate a profit
the more replies I read in this thread the stronger I'm inclined to conclude that you are in fact a bunch of conspiracy theorists with no actual understanding of literally anything
You are stuck at the middle level of understanding. You think the purpose of finance is to make money, when the purpose of money is to exercise power. Profitability is necessary only to as to get other people to join in, to use greed to move people and you can prop up your unprofitable investments, designed to enact something within society, with other profitable ventures, which is why diversification is so important to them.
>xbox game studios (obsidian) is literally consulted by SBI, as you can read on their own website
>this is not the point of the discussion I started
It's in fact the most valid point since it's a thing that directly affects obsidian's dev process and writing.
The rest of the discussion has already sprouted out into multiple less-and-less /vrpg/ related topics that also go so hard into the paint it starts to smell like own-goaling well-poisoning instead.
Obsidian's track record ever since the microsoft aqcuisition is mid as frick. And the writing has been snooze inducing.
I'm willing to give pentiment a pass since it's not a game for me and was sawyer's personal autism project anyway.
pentiment was designed to teach white people, i think german schools bought it to let students play and "learn", that really they've always be rabble to be roused and diverse and homosexual. that's why it's set around martin luther's time, when the race towards the bottom began.
So you were pretending to be totally ignorant, but are in fact full of shit.
>how is blackrock connected with the federal reserve bank?
>hurr how is trillions of dollars hedge fund influenced by the fed
Yeah you can type that shit all you want and this is exactly why no one listens to leftists anymore. Can you please stop embarrassing yourself and this board?
>Per you: ALL the companies are doing it for ESG aka "ethical" investments
>If you believe lots of companies are doing it you're a looney conspiracy theorist!
People can go to the websites and see exactly how it is pushed. My financial managers try to sell me ESG funds, or rather they did before Fink announced the term was box office poison and so they began to find new ways to push the same shit. It's monopoly power plain and simple to force political propaganda from the trillion top of the market down. Video games are just a holdover now that is still filling their ranks with these worthless criteria.
>0 percent interest rates = free money = lots of propaganda projects and boondoggles
>rates go up = companies start to fold that shit in
https://www.aier.org/article/esg-as-an-artifact-of-zirp-2/
You have no "truth" all you have is your shitty worldview that attempts to blame capitalism for everything while giving leftist propaganda based nepotism and value subtracted corruption in these companies a pass.
I never blamed capitalism for anything buddy
capitalism is exactly why investment firms will invest in what returns [the best] profit
and the whatever is considered "ethical" at the time portfolio will remain little more than a PR move
>show me your evidence
>your evidence
>your evidencia!
article/esg-as-an-artifact-of-zirp-2/
5 minutes is enough to see that this talk clearly has nothing to do with actual economics as a science or business activity nor is this institution an actual scientific institution as a quick google search indicated
literally a bunch of morons masquerading as a serious institution behind self proclaimed titles
You fundamentally misunderstand the relationship. One, a ~~*cartel of the giant banks*~~ seized control of the U.S. money supply in 1913 (the “federal” “reserve”) and now control the money supply. Now instead of the government issuing money, the government sells a bond, the private central bank creates money out of nothing, buys the bond, and the government owes the private central bank interest. And to pay that interest they have to sell a bond… and you see where this goes. Control of the money supply can be used to induce depressions (see the 20s and 30s) and then print money and buy up cheap assets at a fire sale, until these bankers end up owning nearly everything after several generational cycles. See that graph, almost all money printed nowadays goes directly to those financiers connected to the central bank, with money printing and top 0.1% wealth tracking perfectly, while the goyim suffer stagnant wages from mass immigration and higher prices due to the money supply inflation reducing the value of their money. Simply, it’s taking the same pie but shaving off everyone else’s slices and giving it to yourself. Just like coin clipping.
Black Rock is one of these politically connected hedge funds and they partly own nearly everything. Larry Fink came up with a scheme called ESG where they rank your company according to various social metrics and give you a score, and if they like your score you get juicy 0% loans of printed fiat. It’s social engineering to extort and coerce companies into behaving how they want by printing fake Monopoly money. The top does it to control and brainwash the goyim. The goyim have the PR clunkiness to beg for the Monopoly money raining down on them.
This is why all the games (and every other industry) suddenly turned to shit, they had to pander to this shit. What customers want literally doesn’t matter, they’re subsidized with infinite fake money. There’s no more market forces.
The reason it's so hard for people to digest these facts is because their identity is built on top of a worldview they formed as children where the world is supposed to make sense and people are basically good. Individuals are resistant to that knowledge because it causes an identity crisis where the bottom drops out of their constructed reality. Even if they get through that, they can lose all faith in everything and start believing insane shit like the earth is flat or demons control us because all authority has become untrustworthy. Consciousness without a conception of divinity is hard.
I largely agree and I went through it myself.
>insane shit like the earth is flat
Psyop to discredit with a fake rabbit hole.
>or demons control us becase all authority has become untrustworthy
Closer to the truth than many might think. How many talents of tribute did Solomon receive annually?
>Consciousness without a conception of divinity is hard.
Truth.
Obsidian's parent company is xbox game studios, which is again owned by microsoft gaming, which is owned by, duh, microsoft.
Obsidian and its parent companies are fully into dei/esg, not only is it not debatable, it's something they proudly proclaim. Because it's free investment money where the only price you pay is having to include hackneyed pandering and employment initiatives (=your soul).
What a shitty attempt at gaslighting.
They're also listed on SBI's own front page which is a pretty obvious indicator. "Free" money is just way too big of an incentive for the studios not to bite and swallow some shit ik exchange.
>free investment money where the only price you pay is having to include hackneyed pandering and employment initiatives
Please give link to application form
I would also like some free money
first you have to be big enough to bother giving money to
You're painfully ignorant.
every mouthbreather who still has hopes for obsidian's new turd should read what kotaku had to say about the lead writer's magnum opus cod vanguard https://kotaku.com/call-of-duty-vanguards-campaign-is-an-insult-to-world-1848042030
If leftwingery can save us from the age of le grimdark color-filtered dimness, that's some use for it at least.
Just look at Outer Worlds to understand how shit "vibrant colors" will look in practice.
>Just look at Outer Worlds
Why not look at avowed when judging avowed? It's not like it's a mystery anymore, they have released enough in game footage that you can get a decent look at the vibrant colors.
I'd rather not oscillate between greybrown filters and chromatic aberration. Can't we just have less shaders in general?
>dude rainbow
the soil is probably made of deadly chemicals to make those colors anon
I JUST WANTED TO PLAY VIDEO GAMES
bugs, boring quests
>thinly veiled excuse to create a soapbox to scream about topical politics
this describes many video games though
There is a certain irony in the fact that obsidian's first release after getting bought out by microsoft was a game with very superficial themes of "le ebil capitalism" that was completely toothless and void of any deeper insight.
Still sells to half the fricking morons on this board and they'll cope on it till they die lol.
Then they go to their retail bank, get murdered on fees, and rent every service in their life, take out loans and cc, while trying to live off grift and buy shiny stuff so they're not embarrassed next to their equally moronic neighbor who might have a better vape and less crusty piss5 than them.
>communism will save us!
Ever notice how these low effort video games, shows, and movies are always a thinly veiled excuse to create a soapbox to scream about topical politics on your PC or TV in your house disguised as "entertainment" they are trying to sell you?
You're not supposed to notice that. It's supposed to work strictly one-way.
>it's low effort because i say so
>everything i like is high effort
Its funny watching Obsidian slipping for decades into being Bioware 2.0, a total repeat of history, and midwits still being in denial about it.
This will keep on happening to companies and you guys will continue to be in denial.
Now watch as some mouthbreather replies to this post by saying that I hate Obisidan or something similarly stupid.
>into being Bioware 2.0
But that's Larian. They're the ones leaning into bad romances, bad writing, pushing visual fidelity/production value for RPGs while just being shallow garbage for the masses, while not pushing the genre forward at all.
I don't especially love larian's style, but at least they are leagues ahead in technical competence.
Obsidian has literally nothing going for them. Nothing. And it's laughable to pretend obsidian is pushing anything forwards beside corporate slop. At least Larian's ownership majority is still in the studio's hands.
>leagues ahead in technical competence
He says, as I remember everything past Act 1 in BG3 to be littered with a metric fricktons of issues, broken questline, dialogue not loading (as in companions just stop talking for the rest of the game).
>Obsidian has literally nothing going for them
They have some really talented people. People that have been there making RPGs from pretty much the beginning and made the classics people love. It's just not most of the team.
Also, Deadfire is by far the best looking CRPG to date.
>At least Larian's ownership majority is still in the studio's hands.
Which doesn't matter if it doesn't improve the results.
Those "really talented people" sure showed their talent in outer worlds. What a masterpiece of game design and technical brilliance.
>Deadfire is by far the best looking CRPG to date
That isn't even funny, that's just delusional. It doesn't even look better than the old ie games, the only thing they have is higher resolution.
>It doesn't matter obsidian sold out to their corporate overlords
Of course it doesn't. Of course it doesn't.
What a genuine lad you are.
Looking forward to avowed day one release on gamepass.
They didn't end up beating todd. They ended up becoming todd.
>That isn't even funny, that's just delusional. It doesn't even look better than the old ie games
When you make statements like this I hope you realize that no one on this board will take you seriously anymore and will disregard you as either an idiot or troll.
In case it wasn't obvious, I don't waste time on idiots or trolls.
I accept your consneedsion.
>He says, as I remember everything past Act 1 in BG3 to be littered with a metric fricktons of issues, broken questline, dialogue not loading (as in companions just stop talking for the rest of the game).
Sure glad no obsidian game has ever needed post-release patching.
But for real,
first crying about upped demand for visual fidelity and production value and then grasping at straws with bug references is pathetic. No matter how gay and shit one considers bg3 to be it's undeniable it upped the game on the techical front and has caused endless seethe among hacks how an "unrealistic standard" it set for other developers. Sawyer himself was crying about this. And I'm not saying it's good for the genre but it is a fact.
>Sure glad no obsidian game
Reading comprehension, learn it. This was in response to
praising Larian for being "leagues ahead in technical competence".
Tone down your fanboy defence force.
>But for real
I said tone down your fanboy behaviour. It's embarrassing.
The anon at
compared Obsidian to Bioware, but the ones closest to Bioware now is Larian.
>upped the game on the techical front
You really should clarify that you meant visuals. But it really didn't, since Witcher 3 exists and that isn't even a proper RPG.
I don't give a single frick about bg3, mostly since it caters to "everyone" (i.e. it's going for mass appeal with the low hanging fruit).
However to remind of the actual topic:
1) obsidian has nothing to offer anymore and
2) their recent releases have been very underwhelning with no indiciation things would be getting better. I'm especially interested in hearing how you'd argue against this one.
Obsidian is going the way of bioware and todd, it's obvious at this point. There is absolutely zero indication of course correction or even an attempt at that.
It's pretty telling when the shills don't even pretend to defend outer worlds since it's unanimously considered a giant steaming turd.
>don't even pretend to defend outer worlds since it's unanimously considered a giant steaming turd.
Only fanboys defend shit or take sides. People like you. Everyone else just doesn't care what someone with the mental age of a 9 year old thinks when they've already made up their mind with no intention of changing it or even discuss it.
>However to remind of the actual topic:
>1) obsidian has nothing to offer anymore and
Topic of what? What you want to peddle? That isn't even a topic, just a baseless statement.
>2) their recent releases have been very underwhelning with no indiciation things would be getting better
Which applies to all modern RPG devs.
>Which applies to all modern RPG devs.
So we agree obsidian has become shit and it's more than likely avowed will do nothing to change that notion.
Glad we had this chat.
>People that have been there making RPGs
only they aren't really working on aWOWed are they?
(except maybe in consulting positions, ie not having the final say)
nah brah Deadfire is really good looking
>only they aren't really working on aWOWed are they?
The anon was talking about the company as a whole, not the Avowed team.
>Also, Deadfire is by far the best looking CRPG to date.
The guy who did the deadfire renders quit. Basically everyone responsible for deadfires positives are not working on this.
>or something similarly stupid.
Looks like I was right again.
You people cannot go 5 minutes without deflection.
>points out direct responses with direct connections
>meanwhile you literally deflect with no arguments, while claiming others did what you just did
Tone down your Larian fanboyism and deflection.
The types of games and what they sell them on far better aligns Larian with older Bioware than Obsidian. I could make a list of greentext to explain it to you, but we both know you would just ignore it and deflect.
>uh no u
>u are actually a fanboy of XY
amazing, even when you try to refute me you still prove me right and you are too dim-witted to tell.
>didn't even try to refute me!!!!
Oh, you mean what you have never ever done ITT? Fascinating when hypocrites like you are this delusional. You're literally doing absolutely everything you accuse others of, while they none of they things you claim.
I made arguments, you made literally nothing to refute.
For example, let's focus more on the Larian & Bioware thing, since that will give you more things you'll ignore and deflect, while providing absolutely 0 arguments or points.
>larian focuses more on romances and sex, something Obsidian has openly said they want to move more away from. larian even pushes the sex aspect further, into their marketing and "goofy" sex options like bear sex. a bit along the lines of what Bioware could do with say Dragon Age and their gay dwarf sex prostitute
>larian focuses more on visual fidelity and production value in a 3D space, like Bioware did, over any actual innovations, along with full VO (something Obsidian and other companies admit they felt forced to do because DOS2 set a full VO expectation among the audience)
Let's start with this, since it gives you something to ignore and deflect, while pretending that you're the one making actual arguments here.
oh boy, another schizo meltdown, that didn't take long after deadfire was brought up
You sured me anon that you don't deflect and ignore what people say
Why would I argue with a proven dim-wit?
>Why would I argue
Because it’s the only reason you come here and you’ll compulsively propel this thread to the bump limit with your petty spergouts, while pretending that you won’t.
Get a room already.
Why would you discuss things? Why to challenge your ideas, to increase the quality of the thread and board, to give a purpose to the thread or any number of reasons.
A better question is why do you endlessly shitpost and nothing else instead? I hope you're not one of those anons complaining about the poor quality of the board, because you're one of them actively making it bad.
This is the part where you tell us everyone else is shitting up the thread and board, not you
He is, and constantly threatens to make it even worse, as a treat
>fallout but soulless followed by skyrim but soulless (aka just skyrim)
gee I wonder
Everything.
its not PoE 3