If any, what is the alignment penalty for killing someone in a duel?
Like, say a lawful good character kills another lawful good character in a duel, but in their society duels are considered normal and honorable.
Would a Good God still see this as murder?
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Lawful Evil.
Watch the Last Duel dude
Kylo Ren is ugly
Read the Last Duel dude
Is the movie any good, or is it just another ahistorical bait for teenager sabaton fans?
The book by Eric Jager is one of my favorites due to the author's almost autistic research on the topic and his direct quotations to the historical documents, but I don't think it translated well into the big screen.
It's feminist tripe
remember when medieval french burned noble ladies at the stake for making rape accusations?
The movie is just as ahistorical as the book but in different ways. Jager pulls what we in the business call a "Paulides" and speculates when he damn well shouldn't, polluting a pretty simple historical event.
Never read the book but the movie is great. They did a really good job of setting the atmosphere to make it feel like your really experiencing what it was like in medieval times.
or just watch one of the actual last duels that happened
Duels aren't about killing. They're a bit of song and dance for retaining honor and standing. Someone dueling for the intent to kill is dishonorable, and if the people know what they're doing (i.e. fricking PCs and whoever they have real beef with), a duel is a harmless exchange that allows them both to admit they're honorable. Duels aren't about killing with honor, it's about demonstrating your willingness to defend your honor thus proving its existence. Nobody in a proper duel wants to duel so there are rules for calling a polite conclusion after the first trade.
This. If you want duels to the death, go for gladiatorial combat, even if actual gladiators often didn't fight to the death. Or stick with duels to the death for an evil aligned society as a method to prove your opponents inferiority and thus a way to justify that they didn't deserve to live in the first place.
Well not exactly harmless, the point is that there's a risk because that's what proves the duelist's honor. It's about showing that you will risk getting stabbed to prove your point.
Ofcourse it's also a structured way to work out beefs. Plenty of guys did duel just because they were pissed. Some buttholes wanted an excuse to stan someone. And it was known that in a duel That Guy might be on the other side.
That's sort of what the duelists is about.
>If any, what is the alignment penalty for killing someone in a duel?
Duel to the death? Probably none, unless you deliberately provoked it. If they deliberately provoked it, shit, you're just defending yourself.
Duel to first blood or some other factor? Then killing them is fricking murder my dude. And duels to things other than death were by far the more common type, although duels to the death did sometimes happen historically.
>Like, say a lawful good character kills another lawful good character in a duel, but in their society duels are considered normal and honorable.
>Would a Good God still see this as murder?
probably not unless that god thinks that society is wrong about this being normal and honorable, which would be a pretty reasonable stance.
Lawful good characters wouldn't engage in a duel.
Why not? Not all duels are to the death. In our own history, in fact, most weren't.
Why do people have the dumbest ideas of what Lawful Goods are forbidden from doing?
Because demons want to put restrictions on what lawful good people would consider themselves capable of doing.
Because people mistakenly think the alignment system is participatory and democratic rather than set in stone by the developer.
>u can execute rapists and serial killers and be lawful good
Is this not common sense?
Common sense is a lot less common than you would like it to be.
You would think, but this issue has been chased in circles for long before /tg/ and indeed Ganker have existed.
Gary had nothing do with D&D for well over a decade when that post was made.
When's the last time you met someone who was actually Lawful Good?
Only an estrogenized basedboy with b***h breasts can think an objectively honorable and just act is anything but Lawful Good.
More like nobody would engage in a duel under European assumptions with a D&D Paladin, because it is a given and demonstrably true fact that their god has their back.
>duels
lawful
>duel to first blood/first 3 strikes
LG
>duel to death
LN (maybe LE if the contestants aren't allowed to yield)
>making sure you kill your opponent in a duel without actually breaking the rules
LE
Depends on why the duel is being fought, the motivations of the duelists, etc. Dying for honor is much easier than dedicating your life to upholding a good cause.
Very relatable.
Lawful Neutral.
It's generally Lawful as duels have judicial preceedence. Many trials have been decided by duel rather than by evidence or testimony simply because the evidence wasn't there and the testimony was conflicting.
That being said, extrajudicial duels and feuds that continue after the duel are considered Chaotic.
I remember there was an obscure spell in ad&d which made it so that when someone was defeated in a duel both duelists got all their hit points back and the loser would be forced to comply with what the winner asked of him (with some restrictions). This implies that duels are usually not lawful. This is also supported by the fact the duelist npc could not be of lawful alignment. Since it's not considered either good or bad and it's not lawful, it has to be CN.
I think CN makes sense if you consider it as a 'whoever wins is right lol frick actually thinking about stuff' kind of thing, but I also understand the argument for LN.
or it could be TN in a "the strongest of the pack decides what's right" kind of way?
Lawful Neutral.
no. they consent to the contest when they accept the challenge. they are consenting to die. if both conducted themselves honorably there's nothing to judge them for.