Objectively it's 5. Really can't argue with years upon years of refining the style, the flair, the gameplay and the QoL. Has the most interesting dungeons in the series, though the bar really wasn't high at all.
Personally my favorite is 3, has the best and the most well-executed cast, the most interesting story/premise (sorry 2 and 4, you were close) and the most interesting/relatable (for me) themes. The gameplay is atrocious though, doubly so in the original/FES.
2 IS+EP gets an honorable mention.
Gameplay wise yes. Balance wise no. Story wise no, too. Setting wise no. Environment and art design wise yes.
It's probably the best average but P3 and P4 have a lot of strengths P5 doesn't have. P5 is a vibe, definitely. But it's a bit casual. I noticed that SMTV, which is super casual too, has some elements which I would like to see in the Persona series. And then we look at SMT 4 and SMT 3 which are in parts more interesting and mature than P5. And with the audience being mostly older, having been older pretty much since the 00s, they might as well go back to that less edgy, less cringe, more gritty sort of vibe.
I would really like P6 to be college and to be the whole degree. The school thing is just an Atlus thing at this point and when you can't give us something really different then at least advance the school thing to the next level after three games. Or even go back to P1 and P2, ditch the school thing mostly and focus on something else like SMT 3 and 4. They won't do either, but that's what I would like to see. P3 just did the school thing better and P4 was just the better Persona game compared to 3. P5 is really just a refinement of established mechanics and the third iteration of the new Persona game after P1 and P2.
Persona has only ever gotten more and more style over substance as the series went on. 5 is especially egregious. It's a bunch of cardboard cut outs in a non story posing in flashy ways so dullards can ape out any time they here someone say OMG JOKER YOU LOOK COOL!
I played 3, then 4 and now I'm playing 2.
3 felt okay to me, but the more it goes on, the less I care. Story is meh, I can't see Tartarus anymore and I'm like 20 floors away from the last boss and can't bring myself to do it.
4 feels more streamlined and it's art and themes and music seem to synergize better than in 3. However I only managed to finish it because I ran through the last dungeon without a single encounter and reduced difficulty, not because the game was difficult, but because boss fights in the game are the most boring crap I ever experienced and they drag on too long.
I'm not far into too, but it feels the most engaging, like I'm actually playing a game. My opinion might change as I go on, but 2 is so far definetly my favorite
4. Best music. Best atmosphere. Best location. I like how the cast came together. I like how it handled the supernatural/persona shit. 3 and 5 have things they do better but the flaws (gameplay/SL in 3, story/writing in 5) are just too much in those games
I'm currently playing 2 right now. The characters are very strong right off the bat so if the game plays it's cards right, it could become my favorite (despite the gameplay) >1
Shouldn't even be in the running
4.
Best party.
5 is soulless. OOH WE'RE AGAINST AUTHORITY, BUT WE STILL GO TO SCHOOL AND FOLLOW RULES WHEN CHALLENGED DIRECTLY BECAUSE...???
3 is a prototype, better than five but not by as much as 4.
Can we be real for a second?
Persona 5 is a well designed game.
But it sucks as a story.
We live in the age of cell phone cameras and recordings. Ann's problem with Kamoshida would be solved with one recorded conversation about him wanting to frick her.
q1 no, q2 is literally one of the best games ever made period
as for the general personas?
persona 4 and 5 suffer from "waiting 10 hours for the story to get good"- syndrome
while in persona 3 you get confronted with the plot immediately
5 doesnt suffer from this as much as 4 but still, slow starts make the games boring when you expect content
this doesnt make persona 4 or 5 bad however
in fact, persona 4 probably gave me like, the most meaning out of all of them, perhaps, while everyday i suffer from persona 5 fatigue in contrast
gameplaywise persona 5/royal are the best, no doubt
the QOL and just in general sexiness thats everywhere makes the game too fun to play
flows very nicely, even if youre bored
cant say the same about p3, where the lack of qol makes the game a chore to play
let alone p2 where youd rather take a bullet than keep playing that game
in contrast to p5 however, you want to play p3 all the time in my opinion
there is always something driving you to go on
with p5 its more like eh
cant really get behind the story sometimes
the characters behave so stupidly sometimes its almost like why didnt they write this better
similar with p4 but not as bad as persona 5 in my opinion
Persona 4, persona is a comfort food game, meanwhile persona 3 have a heavy story, grinding and a more tight schedule, and persona 5 is too slow, long and bloated. Persona 4 have the balance amount of comfort between SoL and Dungeon
P3 is the best rounded one.
P4 is comfort food
P5 fricking sucks.
Not gonna talk about P5. But P3 and P4 are different enough where I can see why people may like the other and hate the other (although I never see any P4 fans hate p3). P3 feels more like actual high school journey. Knowing you can never go back to those comfy days and you have to accept the new future.
P4 is a summer vacation. Each year is new but it's always there for you.
Less accessible than P1 to casual audience and much like pre-P3 audience: they are being aged out. P3 too was being aged out till the re-release and remake recently.
Still has dedicated following in weeb circles thankfully, got some charms and keychains of it at some local cons last year. Mostly Tatsuya x Jun stuff. Shame I wanted more Michel and Maya stuff.
Less accessible than P1 to casual audience and much like pre-P3 audience: they are being aged out. P3 too was being aged out till the re-release and remake recently.
Still has dedicated following in weeb circles thankfully, got some charms and keychains of it at some local cons last year. Mostly Tatsuya x Jun stuff. Shame I wanted more Michel and Maya stuff.
Can't really say that P1 was more beloved. P2 Eternal Punishment always gets more love just because of it having adult characters and literally Hitler. Also way more fanart
3 was a bit of a slog for the first half or so but has the best story and some of the best SLs.
5 peaked early but has the best gameplay and artistic direction by far.
4 has my favorite ost, my favorite party and the most enjoyable story and gets my vote
Story-wise it's P3 but 5 is just too polished and genuinely fun to ever top it even though it's probably the weakest in the franchise by base-game stories (even p1 has an edge just by the scenario, it's actually quite interesting). Royal's scenario fixed that issue though and made it a lot more compelling.
To disqualify P2 IS, it might be the worst game I've ever played judging by sheer gameplay, it's mind-numbingly easy but still slow as balls due to the encounter rate and no way to skip animations. EP completely fixed this and is actually a fun game to go through, though it's still on the easier side.
P4 is basically if you took a shitty slice of life anime and piled on a bunch of le deep themes to try and attract autists. It works because I do like the game but calling its story deep and compelling is pretty dumb, and it's the opposite of Royal where the new story arc is pretty terrible. It makes up for it with the Adachi content and other changes, though.
My rankings:
P5R > P3R > P5 > P3P > P3FES > P4G > P2 EP > P4 > P1 > P2 IS
Or simply,
P5 > P3 > P4 > P2(EP) > P1 > P2(IS)
Adachi is the most interesting part of an otherwise campy and lukewarm adventure. He brings a necessary edge that makes it much more worthwhile. I guess if you just want all of the game to be the cheesy slice of life friend of the week adventure (totally fine, it's what a lot of the game builds towards) then he sucks though
>Adachi is the most interesting part of an otherwise campy and lukewarm adventure. He brings a necessary edge that makes it much more worthwhile
Oh frick off. He absolutely does no such thing. He has no real edge or even personality before the reveal and then at the end just goes all psycho because the game spent all its time building up the party that it didn't even have an actual badguy till the very end. Even his MO is some hands off neutered and safe half assed attempt.
Overall, it's 4.
A theme that's explored in a somewhat interesting way, both subtly and overtly, a pretty strong cast that has a reason to come together and they have interactions beyond hovering around MC, gameplay is ok with varied dungeons and a few gimmicks, decent collection of S.Link.
P3 has the better atmosphere, cast and theme, but gameplay before reload is just there at best and their first shot at S.Links and raising sim shows.
P5 has incredible style and fair, has refined gameplay quite a bit and has admittedly a pretty strong start with a decent set-up and atmosphere, but after Yusuke recruitment, the dynamics of the cast, overall plot and pace is just not great. Very few things feel organic in the later half. Royal's extra scenario is interesting but because it's tacked on top of base game, it's pretty condensed and adds further awkwardness with Sumire hanging around 9 months prior.
As for the first 2 games, P2 has an excellent cast in both entries, but plot only really starts actually mattering in EP and gameplay is a chore, honestly. Lots of events and references to P1 is kind of an issue for standalone enjoyment.
P1 has a surprisingly decent plot and Snow queen scenario is interesting, but being the first game, most of the cast and it’s development is pretty shallow and the mix of positioning, shooting+melee and how persona's work makes base gameplay just...not great.
5 has objectively the best everything except story which makes my eyes bleed, but Persona hasn't had good writing since Eternal Punishment so it's a lost cause
Objectively it's 5. Really can't argue with years upon years of refining the style, the flair, the gameplay and the QoL. Has the most interesting dungeons in the series, though the bar really wasn't high at all.
Personally my favorite is 3, has the best and the most well-executed cast, the most interesting story/premise (sorry 2 and 4, you were close) and the most interesting/relatable (for me) themes. The gameplay is atrocious though, doubly so in the original/FES.
2 IS+EP gets an honorable mention.
you're a fricking moron
Gameplay wise yes. Balance wise no. Story wise no, too. Setting wise no. Environment and art design wise yes.
It's probably the best average but P3 and P4 have a lot of strengths P5 doesn't have. P5 is a vibe, definitely. But it's a bit casual. I noticed that SMTV, which is super casual too, has some elements which I would like to see in the Persona series. And then we look at SMT 4 and SMT 3 which are in parts more interesting and mature than P5. And with the audience being mostly older, having been older pretty much since the 00s, they might as well go back to that less edgy, less cringe, more gritty sort of vibe.
I would really like P6 to be college and to be the whole degree. The school thing is just an Atlus thing at this point and when you can't give us something really different then at least advance the school thing to the next level after three games. Or even go back to P1 and P2, ditch the school thing mostly and focus on something else like SMT 3 and 4. They won't do either, but that's what I would like to see. P3 just did the school thing better and P4 was just the better Persona game compared to 3. P5 is really just a refinement of established mechanics and the third iteration of the new Persona game after P1 and P2.
Persona has only ever gotten more and more style over substance as the series went on. 5 is especially egregious. It's a bunch of cardboard cut outs in a non story posing in flashy ways so dullards can ape out any time they here someone say OMG JOKER YOU LOOK COOL!
It's truly pathetic. I have no idea how people can praise 5, especially those who've played the previous games.
It's 1. 1 had the best atmosphere. Very moody and dreamy.
Agreed
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Obviously it's the one I like the most. The rest are wrong.
I played 3, then 4 and now I'm playing 2.
3 felt okay to me, but the more it goes on, the less I care. Story is meh, I can't see Tartarus anymore and I'm like 20 floors away from the last boss and can't bring myself to do it.
4 feels more streamlined and it's art and themes and music seem to synergize better than in 3. However I only managed to finish it because I ran through the last dungeon without a single encounter and reduced difficulty, not because the game was difficult, but because boss fights in the game are the most boring crap I ever experienced and they drag on too long.
I'm not far into too, but it feels the most engaging, like I'm actually playing a game. My opinion might change as I go on, but 2 is so far definetly my favorite
4. Best music. Best atmosphere. Best location. I like how the cast came together. I like how it handled the supernatural/persona shit. 3 and 5 have things they do better but the flaws (gameplay/SL in 3, story/writing in 5) are just too much in those games
I'm currently playing 2 right now. The characters are very strong right off the bat so if the game plays it's cards right, it could become my favorite (despite the gameplay)
>1
Shouldn't even be in the running
3,4, and 5 have better gameplay than 1, Sin, and Punishment
5 reintroduces the Talk command absent from 3 and 4.
So 5 is the best.
3
I don't have to babysit party members. I wish crpgs were also balanced around everyone except mc having auto-combat ai on.
4.
Best party.
5 is soulless. OOH WE'RE AGAINST AUTHORITY, BUT WE STILL GO TO SCHOOL AND FOLLOW RULES WHEN CHALLENGED DIRECTLY BECAUSE...???
3 is a prototype, better than five but not by as much as 4.
Can we be real for a second?
Persona 5 is a well designed game.
But it sucks as a story.
We live in the age of cell phone cameras and recordings. Ann's problem with Kamoshida would be solved with one recorded conversation about him wanting to frick her.
Splitting the P2 vote is a dick move
Q&Q2
This. Zen and Rei are my favorite persona characters.
q1 no, q2 is literally one of the best games ever made period
as for the general personas?
persona 4 and 5 suffer from "waiting 10 hours for the story to get good"- syndrome
while in persona 3 you get confronted with the plot immediately
5 doesnt suffer from this as much as 4 but still, slow starts make the games boring when you expect content
this doesnt make persona 4 or 5 bad however
in fact, persona 4 probably gave me like, the most meaning out of all of them, perhaps, while everyday i suffer from persona 5 fatigue in contrast
gameplaywise persona 5/royal are the best, no doubt
the QOL and just in general sexiness thats everywhere makes the game too fun to play
flows very nicely, even if youre bored
cant say the same about p3, where the lack of qol makes the game a chore to play
let alone p2 where youd rather take a bullet than keep playing that game
in contrast to p5 however, you want to play p3 all the time in my opinion
there is always something driving you to go on
with p5 its more like eh
cant really get behind the story sometimes
the characters behave so stupidly sometimes its almost like why didnt they write this better
similar with p4 but not as bad as persona 5 in my opinion
5R is the paragon of JRPGs. 4G is a close second despite gameplay being fairly inferior
2 will always suffer for being stuck on the PSP.
The one that's not on your list - Q
Why? Because it's basically Etrian Odyssey that looks like Persona.
This but I prefer Q2, those games are incomparibly better than mainline persona.
4 has the best story, characters and music. 5 has the best gameplay but the worst story and characters.
Persona 4, persona is a comfort food game, meanwhile persona 3 have a heavy story, grinding and a more tight schedule, and persona 5 is too slow, long and bloated. Persona 4 have the balance amount of comfort between SoL and Dungeon
the best persona game is the one where you grow the frick up and stop playing this childish anime bullshit
I liked 3 the most, probably because it was the first one I played.
P3 is the best rounded one.
P4 is comfort food
P5 fricking sucks.
Not gonna talk about P5. But P3 and P4 are different enough where I can see why people may like the other and hate the other (although I never see any P4 fans hate p3). P3 feels more like actual high school journey. Knowing you can never go back to those comfy days and you have to accept the new future.
P4 is a summer vacation. Each year is new but it's always there for you.
Wonder why barely anyone mentions 2. It's literally the only Persona game I had fun playing so far
Less accessible than P1 to casual audience and much like pre-P3 audience: they are being aged out. P3 too was being aged out till the re-release and remake recently.
Still has dedicated following in weeb circles thankfully, got some charms and keychains of it at some local cons last year. Mostly Tatsuya x Jun stuff. Shame I wanted more Michel and Maya stuff.
Can't really say that P1 was more beloved. P2 Eternal Punishment always gets more love just because of it having adult characters and literally Hitler. Also way more fanart
Eternal Punishment wasn't the one that had Hitler, sheep fricker.
>Can't really say that P1 was more beloved
It's not, but it's been having resurgence. P2 been stagnating.
Also you're thinking of IS, not EP.
3 was a bit of a slog for the first half or so but has the best story and some of the best SLs.
5 peaked early but has the best gameplay and artistic direction by far.
4 has my favorite ost, my favorite party and the most enjoyable story and gets my vote
I played 5,3,4, 5R, 5S in this order
Story-wise it's P3 but 5 is just too polished and genuinely fun to ever top it even though it's probably the weakest in the franchise by base-game stories (even p1 has an edge just by the scenario, it's actually quite interesting). Royal's scenario fixed that issue though and made it a lot more compelling.
To disqualify P2 IS, it might be the worst game I've ever played judging by sheer gameplay, it's mind-numbingly easy but still slow as balls due to the encounter rate and no way to skip animations. EP completely fixed this and is actually a fun game to go through, though it's still on the easier side.
P4 is basically if you took a shitty slice of life anime and piled on a bunch of le deep themes to try and attract autists. It works because I do like the game but calling its story deep and compelling is pretty dumb, and it's the opposite of Royal where the new story arc is pretty terrible. It makes up for it with the Adachi content and other changes, though.
My rankings:
P5R > P3R > P5 > P3P > P3FES > P4G > P2 EP > P4 > P1 > P2 IS
Or simply,
P5 > P3 > P4 > P2(EP) > P1 > P2(IS)
I never understood the love for Adachi, for some reason the moment where he's exposed the story feels even more boring than before
Adachi is the most interesting part of an otherwise campy and lukewarm adventure. He brings a necessary edge that makes it much more worthwhile. I guess if you just want all of the game to be the cheesy slice of life friend of the week adventure (totally fine, it's what a lot of the game builds towards) then he sucks though
I don't disagree, but that edge felt just kinda very tacked on, as well as the real final boss
>Adachi is the most interesting part of an otherwise campy and lukewarm adventure. He brings a necessary edge that makes it much more worthwhile
Oh frick off. He absolutely does no such thing. He has no real edge or even personality before the reveal and then at the end just goes all psycho because the game spent all its time building up the party that it didn't even have an actual badguy till the very end. Even his MO is some hands off neutered and safe half assed attempt.
frick off moron
Overall, it's 4.
A theme that's explored in a somewhat interesting way, both subtly and overtly, a pretty strong cast that has a reason to come together and they have interactions beyond hovering around MC, gameplay is ok with varied dungeons and a few gimmicks, decent collection of S.Link.
P3 has the better atmosphere, cast and theme, but gameplay before reload is just there at best and their first shot at S.Links and raising sim shows.
P5 has incredible style and fair, has refined gameplay quite a bit and has admittedly a pretty strong start with a decent set-up and atmosphere, but after Yusuke recruitment, the dynamics of the cast, overall plot and pace is just not great. Very few things feel organic in the later half. Royal's extra scenario is interesting but because it's tacked on top of base game, it's pretty condensed and adds further awkwardness with Sumire hanging around 9 months prior.
As for the first 2 games, P2 has an excellent cast in both entries, but plot only really starts actually mattering in EP and gameplay is a chore, honestly. Lots of events and references to P1 is kind of an issue for standalone enjoyment.
P1 has a surprisingly decent plot and Snow queen scenario is interesting, but being the first game, most of the cast and it’s development is pretty shallow and the mix of positioning, shooting+melee and how persona's work makes base gameplay just...not great.
4 it has the most enjoyable cast
I don't understand how anyone over the age of 13 can stomach these games. Even pokemon seems less juvenile by comparison.
for me it's https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQBbnP_uutA
P4A. It skips all the pointless grind and gets right to the VN segments.
5 has objectively the best everything except story which makes my eyes bleed, but Persona hasn't had good writing since Eternal Punishment so it's a lost cause