What is the SOLAR FREAKIN' ROADWAYS of video games?
What is the SOLAR FREAKIN' ROADWAYS of video games?
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That voxel based INFINITE DETAIL shit
Whatever happened to that?
>make solar cells
>that cars drive over 24/7
we can't even make cost effective regular roads that don't fall apart
I'm talking about the voxel thing. I remember seeing a video about it and getting excited for what it could mean when I was younger, then I never heard about it again.
Every advance in video game development in the past 20 years besides "more RAM/power/VRAM/harddrive space" has been a lie. Bet you five bucks AI will amount to nothing (in the context of video games) too.
That guy went on to found a company based around scanning real world roads and stuff and storing the data with his cloud point stuff, so it did have practical applications outside of video games. Furthermore, some games were made using the tech for a specialized AR/VR arcade in Australia. That being said, not knowing a huge amount about the tech, isn’t it similar to UE5’s nanite?
>I remember seeing a video about it
You mean the video that was a point cloud software designed to do architectural and historical work and nothing to do with video games despite retarded gamers thinking it was?
Wasn't Everquest next hyped around that shit? Then they released some builder and radio silence for 10 years?
Wasn't complete radio silence, it got the rare honor of getting canned twice
I've never understood solar energy. Isn't it finite?
The more people who use solar panels the more solar power power will be absorbed which means there will be less solar power to go around which means not everyone will be able to use it at the same time.
Thats why we have to fight it Anon. If we suck too much light out of the sun it'll go out.
Yes, I've thought of this too. Solar energy goes into the environment for plants, the sea, wind, and general climate of regions. A few solar panels probably won't do anything but at mass scale it'll fuck the planet up. What do people think is going to happen when the solar energy meant for the sahara is put into a billion toasters instead? The best part is that pro solar panel folks admit this, "the sahara will turn lush and green" but you know what that'll cause? The death of the Amazon Rainforest.
To go along with this, solar energy can be worse for the powergrid overall. It's unreliable, and it goes away right at the highest energy demand during the day which requires electrical grid workers to rely on Peaking Plants which arguable cause more pollution than the solar panels are saving. Water batteries are the best solution for this right now but they're very limited in capacity.
>sun goes behind a cloud
Never mind, solar panels work even when it's overcast. Anyway, we made sure to make use the cheap, plentiful energy when it was available, and stored it in the form of potential energy that could be gradually turned into mechanical energy, and thus used to generate power. Sorry, you were saying?
Yes, water batteries are the best solution we have for potential energy right now. And they still suck. If they covered everything, peaking plants wouldn't exist.
oh ok guess we'd better not do anything at all. i'm very smart
what we should do is frack more and build natural gas and nuclear, not solar.
Molten salt batteries only make sense for large scale nuclear.
>what we should do is frack more
that's like the literal exact opposite of what we should be doing
Fracking is replacing coal and is cleaner in every metric. The reduction of co2 emissions in the united states have purely come from switching to natural gas from fracking. Ironically a lot of the anti fracking propaganda comes from russia.
>Fracking is [...] cleaner in every metric
there are more urgent problems with fracking that cannot be batted aside because 'it's very slightly less worse than other thing'
>there are more urgent problems
Any cons of fracking are outweighed by its benefits
The reasons eviornmentalist oppose fracking is because it made oil cheaper which is contrary to what they thought would happen overtime.
good thing fracking more than double our known fuel reserves.
>The reasons eviornmentalist oppose fracking is because it made oil cheaper which is contrary to what they thought would happen overtime
I personally think it's because they don't want the US to be oil independent from other nations
It's because energy scarcity is the end goal of the green movement.
Then it seems somewhat counter-productive that the same "green movement" is advocating for diverse energy sources that are notoriously made from very local infrastructures, energy scarcity is typically easier to manage when there's only a few places where the energy comes from.
They're selling vaporware anon.
Isn't 2022 the first year where renewable energy accounted for more of the electricity produced in the EU than electricty produced from fossil fuel?
>In the EU
Yeah. Isn't 2022 the year the EU has a huge energy crisis also? Arent energy prices in the EU through the roof?
anon you should stop getting your news from this place, it's bad for you
You are a gay.
In my country gas rose up like crazy (Russia scare), but then it turned out to be a nothingburger and it went back to mostly normal a couple months ago.
Electricity also went very high but it's because most of my country's electricity is nuclear and reactors are breaking down and need to be shut down, no fault of renewables there.
Anon. The EU purposefully phased out nuclear. Then they started to do an about face, and labeled it as a green energy when they realized wind and solar weren't actually viable.
Any example of a country that went "fuck you, I'm turning off nuclear and now my electricity will come from sunshine, breeze and cow farts"?
Germany did exactly what I said. They shut down about half their reactors, and pledged to shut them all down in 2022, then decided maybe nuclear wasnt so bad when they figured out they couldnt power their tiny country on solar and wind. How are you European, and also this clueless about Europe?
Seem like an easy fix, just keep developing renewable energy, because it's always going to be useful, and just downsize your fossil fuel or nuclear power to a reasonable degree.
Politician incompetence is a shame but crying that renewable energy are unreliable when any retard can tell you that sometimes the sun isn't there is a bogus point, you already know when you install a renewable energy plant that it's not going to work 100% of the time
The problem is, renewables aren't very efficient, or reliable. It also takes aot of energy to even implement them. They're a terrible idea that no one would even consider if the propaganda weren't so strong.
>It also takes aot of energy to even implement them.
Not really relevant as long as they produce more energy than what they spent. Plus it's not like regular power plants sprout out of the ground all done either.
They don't though.
>Source: my ass (and a report sponsored by a guy with stocks in coal)
>Source??? Source??? Can I get a source? A reliable, double peer reviewed, acceptable source????
If you've seen one of those giant wind turbines being erected, you would realize they aren't producing as much power as they take to build.
so you what, just pick up lumps of coal from the gutter and take them home
I've looked into it a bit, I found some document from 1997
>Within its 20-year design lifetime a wind turbine will supply at least 80 times the energy spent in its manufacture, installation, operation, maintenance and scrapping
>to a reasonable degree.
Here's the issue. They went in way too fast. Plus, replacing aging plants with newer, cleaner ones to run over the intermediate period was part of the initial plans, but was dropped later. These two led to a massive shortage that the current renewables just couldn't cover fast enough. Now it's backfiring massively as it turns out people value not freezing to death over green values.
Anon that was the germans. Contrary to popular belief land of krauts ≠ the whole EU. French and nordics have been happily building reactors while investing in the renewables on the side.
The green movement advocates for the worst and most expensive energy production possible.
Just look at how much EU focuses on wind turbines, despite the fact that they usually use more power to be produced and installed than they create before breaking.
Most of the problems are literal non issues that either don't exist or are heavily exaggerated.
Fracking takes place under thousands of feet of solid rock. It's not going into the aquifer unless something goes wrong (which for profit companies want to avoid)
>unless something goes wrong (which for profit companies want to avoid)
you'd think a for profit freight rail company would want to avoid train derailments too, but here we are.
safety and best practices are always the first things to go.
yeah no shit retard you think that rail company is making money after they pay billions of dollars in damages?
yes a lot of the anti fracking stuff comes from russia.
>yeah no shit retard you think that rail company is making money after they pay billions of dollars in damages?
... and why, exactly, are there billions of dollars in damages?
i thought being for-profit makes them immune to ever fucking up?
Because they violated people's property rights. In the case of fracking, having the tube leak out causes them to extract less natural gas which means less profit. Of course accidents happen, but it's in their best interest for accidents to not happen so they will try to avoid any accident.
>Because they violated people's property rights
that doesn't answer my question.
yes it does :^)
>you think that rail company is making money after they pay billions of dollars in damages?
well we all know how Exxon Valdez and Deepwater Horizon made it so those guys never made any money afterward. and i'll bet they were pretty severely punished, right?
>literal non issues that either don't exist or are heavily exaggerated
oops, the oil ran out and the only places left with oil hate us because of everything we did. boopsie doodle!
>It's not going into the aquifer unless something goes wrong (which for profit companies want to avoid)
Not fracking-related, but a company in my city was building a deep geothermal power plant. They had to stop because it literally caused earthquakes, and not the kind of earthquakes you hear about on the news later because only specialised equipements picked it up, I mean "Did everyone in the building jump on the floor all at once" earthquake.
Turn out it's partly because they completely wiped their ass with what they told the government agency they were going to do, dug too deep, too fast, never let their equipments rest. And now it killed the technology in at least my region for 30 years at least.
Anyone just going
>It's fine bro, it's so deep underground you won't be affected
Is just a liar
Lot's of human activities in mining causes earthquakes, suddenly it's only a problem when fracking does it. Also most of the earthquakes come from the deep well injection they use to dispose of the fracking fluid which is unrelated to the actual fracking technology.
>cleaner in every metric
i don't see what's clean about dumping petrochemical slurry into the aquifer.
>i don't see what's clean about dumping petrochemical slurry into the aquifer.
i'm a big fan of molten salt batteries.
for the purpose they serve, big is OK.
Amazon is a store not a forest retard
We don't have the capacity to build solar panels that cover so much of the Earth's surface it affects the climate. The biggest change is that plants can't grow under solar panels, but that's why we put panels on rooftops or in the desert where there's no plants anyway.
>when the solar energy meant for the sahara
I share a board with people this retarded.
its not a fucking dyson sphere dude
Don't worry the Amazon rainforest is getting cut down to death for dumb cow grass and cow fart anyway
You're sort of close to an actual issue in terms of large clusters of solar panels, but still wrong
genuinely, why wouldn't this work?
glass doesn't make more sun, it's just collects it into one spot
You're not increasing the amount of light, just concentrating it into a small area. You'd just melt the panel.
among other reasons, magnifying glasses work as a lens to focus light onto a single point. put simply, when the material inside the solar panel is exposed to light, it generates an electrical charge, and focusing more light on it won't make more electricity come out
is it not possible to use magnifying glass as a net to catch sunlight in areas that are too cloudy? but diffuse the light over the panels instead of a single spot
i mean it'd probably be possible, but it'd be bond villain-style technology that'd cause more problems than it solves
it doesn't increase energy it just focuses the photons into a singular point.
It could probably make a smaller solar panel more efficient but the size of the magnifying glass would make a smaller panel pointless.
It works with something like that solar tower out in Arizona where they point a gorillion mirrors at one spot but it's a different technology from a solar panel
Nevada, and that's just a bunch of mirrors reflecting light to heat up molten salt, it's green but there's actually no solar panel usage on those. New Vegas lied.
You'd melt the panel with the focused heat/light.
Have you ever watched Sahara?
It does work. Just not in the exact way depicted in the image. You can greatly amplify the power of the sun, just obviously not greater than the sun itself
who would win, 1200 suns or ten trillion coal miners?
ten trillion coal miners is nothing even to one sun
>equivalent to 1200+ suns
HOW THE FUCK IS THE EARTH STILL IN EXISTENCE
It means 1200 times as powerful as sunlight alone
This was an interesting system, but I think it's no longer really being built, regular solar panels outperformed it.
Sure made some pretty cool infrastructures if you're into that. Imagine the heat
The main problem with this is that it killed shit tons of birds because they thought the mirrors were water.
>Imagine the heat
It cooks birds that fly through it
delisus chigen : DDD
UNLEASH THE POWER OF THE SUN
It's thermal energy that would otherwise just be absorbed and then dissipated by the asphalt. It's just gathering "wasted" energy the same as any other solar panel.
Of course that's just the idea. It'd be better to make solar awnings over the roads instead of directly in the ground.
Smartest Ganker browser that ever lived
Solar energy is finite, tho. Not because of the sun. Solar panels use energy from the sun to break down a membrane, which releases power as it releases atoms. When the membrane wears out, you have to replace the whole unit.
yeah but that's about as insightful as saying 'wood isn't renewable' because you can only burn wood once. it's accurate if you're really really weaselly about semantics, but it's renewable because you can plant more trees than you burn.
That's innacurate. You can regrow wood in months. The rare minerals used in solar panels won't reform for millions of years.
Ok but usually how long does a solar panel membrane thing last?
Yea but you should generate more energy from solar than you spend on manufacturing the semiconductors
Well you see what humans actually have to do is just install a bunch of solar panels on other planets with a different Sun and then take the power from those planets and bring it back to earth.
what you do is, you put two slightly different kind of rocks next to each other. they get mad because they don't like each other and so they start to get all hot and angry. you use them to make water hot and get all steamy, and then that steam makes the thing turn and that's how you get internet porn
what are you taking about asphalt is actually a good material and nearly 100% recyclable as new road. we just dont upkeep them
>what are you taking about asphalt is actually a good material and nearly 100% recyclable as new road
The material isn't what makes it not cost effective retard, it's the human element
people figured out that you generate more solar power by just putting 2 small panels on the roof of your house instead
t.ive had solar for 15 years now, got it installed back when the based govt was paying 80% of the cost back when they were promoting green energy, havent paid for power since
This. Why haven't you invested in solar power yet? If you maintain your panels well, you can get 25+ years out of them.
Where do you live? Everywhere I've seen just has the power company buy back a portion of the energy you've generated. There's no way to come out with a $0 electric bill from what I've seen. With the initial investment, you usually have to have the panels for like 10-20 years before you break even.
Not that guy, but I did a different thing where the panels are free* and under warranty for the next 15 years, but I pay them like $150 a month. Still worth since my power bill was nearing $400 and probably only go up.
>this kills the utility companies
When I get a house I am 100% doing this shit.
Don't bother if your town isn't subsidizing the installation
Cost isn't the issue, its about fucking over the utility garden gnomes.
Well then you're just playing into the solar garden gnome's hands instead
It was legit and there's a VR arcade that utilizes it. It's not viable in a consumer sense as it is stupidly memory hogging
>ask what happened to the voxel engine
>"heres what happened with the road"
the engine was a scam. it was great for rendering still images of shit. it was completely impractical for anything that was animated (85% of modern computer graphics)
theres a reason all those bullshot videos were just models of shit and static landscapes like hills or trees.
We can't even keep our fucking streets clean, let alone replace our streets with solar cells. This requires 1000x more political willpower than we have.
Human incompetence and greed. Also, the panels were cheap Chinese pieces of shit that failed constantly.
The roads? Nah, the road bit does not make any sense at any point. The voxel shit ended up being great tech, just did not have many applications so it did not move forward much.
If you are asking about that "Unlimited Detail" technology by Euclideon Technology, then the answer is the creators were Australian. Australians are brain dead and have no mathematical/logical ability what so ever. It was amazing they were even able to make the trailer for the bullshit they were peddling. They are the worst race of yts when it comes to math and yts already can't do any sort of basic math without stealing and copying.
You're what, Asian?
How can you possibly be mad at Austr*lians when you win over them on the daily
Mad? No. Despise, hate or maybe even pity for the especially retarded of your kind? Yes.
So yes, you're asian.
I'm not australian, I just think you're dumb.
This is it.
Ah man I remember that shit, I think I even subed to their youtube to see what they where it would go. IIRC they released one other video like 5 years later and all the comments where 'hey when can I try this?'
Ganker is so fucking stupid and illiterate holy shit I'm so sorry for these replies anon
It costs 100x more than solar panels.
Now that I rewatch the video as an adult, I can't believe anyone ever took this seriously. The video is so cheap-looking and the guy talking is so smug that it comes across as a parody.
>"This is the largest breakthrough in 3-dimensional technology since computer graphics began."
The minute you try an animated it it starts getting stupidly computationally heavy. Not to mention the literal terabytes of required ram needed unless you're just repeat a small handful of instances a billion times. There's a reason we didn't pursue voxels for 3d graphics and it wasn't a conspiracy by big daddy GPU as the fucking creator of this would have you believe.
tl;dw it's a scam and doesn't really do anything new. I had to watch the entire fucking video until right at the end he spills the beans in the most dismisive and slimy way possible. I want my 8 minutes back.
>Bragging about graphical fidelity
>Literally every single thing they made looks like shit, including their logo
Well at least they've managed to use it for something. I think they have hologram games and shit. Without a doubt someone will probably figure it out in a few decades.
I think they sold use of their engine to and work with museums and shit to show up close 3D shots of scanned artifacts in presentations and such.
It's great for that kind of static imagery but for games it's a complete joke.
What was the name of that vaporware voxel space game that Notch started making but ultimately abandoned?
It was something super obtuse like 10xEm3 or some shit.
Isn't Nanite that very thing just that it is actually shipped in a production engine and doesn't require extensive preprocessing.
How did you react when you realized that nuclear energy was the best option we have?
...according to AI-generated articles
Wtf are you talking about? Normie bait articles are always going on about solar and wind energy saving the environment.
That was twenty years so I don't remember
>mfw nuclear powerplants are just water boilers to make steam spin a turbine
The universe only existed due to God trying to cook pasta
god created the universe to escape the one he originally comes from
I hate the Demiurge!
It was kind of a surprise when I realised that's what nuclear power actually is. No glowing green ooze, turning people into mutants.
>Harvesting the fusion power of the sun
>To boil water
Someone post the fucking pic
is there really no way to harvest the energy released via some sort of panel similar to a solar panel or even a series of steam machinery from the force generated or something?
Water is widely available and relatively efficient. There are probably other ways to transfer energy, but I doubt they are as easy to set up, fuel and maintain.
Nuclear-powered thermoelectric batteries are a thing, mostly used on satellites, space probes, landers and that kind of things. Great for applications that need a low constant charge for a long time. Bad at scaling.
Using radiation to run a steam turbine gets an efficiency of around 30%. Atomic batteries which skip the steam part have an efficiency of around 0.5%. This means adding the steam turbine gives 60 times as much electricity compared to the direct radiation-to-sparks conversion
weird how 'it boils water' seems to break peoples' brains, like it needs to be more complicated somehow. the classic example being how every five or so years someone invents that thing that's like a car, but bigger, and it carries more people who are all going to mostly the same places, and it runs on a schedule so you know when you can go places
Hah. Yeah, mass transit reinventions are a rabbit hole all on their own. Lots of interesting ideas that usually boil down to 'train but worse'.
I just find it amusing that we basically are just perfecting how to boil water the most efficiently.
That reminds me, you might want to look into the history of coffee machines sometime. Lots of advancements in water boiling tech there.
it generates power directly from the magnetic pulses of plasma
To do what, exactly? I wonder.
>Be fledgling space civ alien
>See a huge fuckoff dyson sphere covering Sol
>It's the fabled mankind's home system they abandoned eons Ago
Land on Earth. The planet is lush with life
>There's a cottage sitting in the woods
>Get greeted by a old human dressed in checkered clothing
>He says, with his old and weak Voice
>Sit down son, have some tea, let me Tell you a story about how we took over the universe and ALL we had was water and heat
>He starts boiling the tea kettle, steam whistling not after long
>humanity finds this alien artifact with parts that look leagues ahead of anything we could do, and it could be dangerous as well
>however, it is very, very hot, hot enough to boil water
don't look up how modern solar plants work anon
photovoltaic is a meme scam, all the big facilities are just boilers
Kinda sad. I forgot why exactly.
Is it worth the risk?
Don't built it on an earthquake and tsunami ridden island
Don't let gopniks build it
Fuckin woo hoo problem solved
you miss the one reason why everything that looks good on paper rarely plays out as smooth: human error
I live outside 3 mile island
it could have gone a lot worse had there not been whistleblowers to expose the corruption going on in the damage control process
I am for nuclear energy we just need to implement the death penalty for people who maliciously fuck up
not even irradiating half the world is enough of a price to pay to stop people from making a buck in their own pocket by cutting very necessary costs
What if it becomes so commonplace that countries in the middle east start using it, and start attacking each other's power plants?
Israel already does that.
that would be different from normal power plants being attacked, how exactly?
Blowing up a nuclear power plant would release a lot of radioactive waste, right?
not unless all the safety measures were disabled prior to destroying it
You DO know the US has over 50 nuclear power plants and even more reactors?
>nuclear disaster in the middle east
anon, modern nuclear plants don't go full nuclear explosion anymore
It would take an enormous amount of insider knowledge and actual technical knowledge of the given reactor to know how to fuck up the dozens of failsafes that prevent a reactor from going supercritical. Even the CIA-funded groups are still just jobbers with AKs and trucks, they wouldn't be able to pull something like that off. You can't just fly a plane into a coolant tower or plant a bomb on the reactor, there are shitloads of both electronic and analog failsafes that drop the rods to instantly halt the reaction in the event something goes wrong. This isn't the 80s.
listen BUDDY, i've watched enough episodes of the simpsons that i know what i'm talking about. y'see [incoherent racism about china]
Would these middle eastern countries adhere to our modern safety standards?
Iran tried to before we attempted to blow up their facilities with Stuxnet.
The middle east could disappear tomorrow and I would not give a single shit
Nothing changes. They're already bombing each others' power plants daily. Changing the bomb targets to nuclear ones just makes the losses slightly more expensive, and if we're very unlucky there might be some fissile material going missing, roughly as much as what Russia routinely 'misplaces' daily.
Yes, it has next to no issues. We've had what, one major scare in the last 30 years due to the biggest earthquake that country ever had? And the technology is getting even better each year. Any fearmongering is just big power trying to put down nuclear.
Yes, the risks, especially with modern designs, are negligible full stop. There's no logical reasons at all to not go full nuclear energy
Yes, more people die from installing/maintaining fucking wind turbines than from nuclear disasters.
There are hundreds of nuclear reactors running in dozens of countries and many have existed for decades. There have been two meaningful nuclear incidents, one due to Soviet mismanagement and one due to the reactor being built on a fault line and then an earthquake destabilized systems.
fracking is 10x less dangerous than coal, nice.
does this graph deliberately refuse to acknowledge the environmental impact of a meltdown or damage to the power plant ala fukushima and chernobyl?
It does acknowledge them retard.
whats the population of the chernobyl region?
that's what i thought imbecile
yeah even when you account for this it's still safer than fossil fuels.
any foreign power can easily destabalize entire regions of a country through sabotage
it's a massive risk poliitcally
i wont disagree about the power generation aspect youre pushing but from a national security perspective it's extremely foolish to have such a risk
You mean how someone blew up the nordstream pipeline and no one really knows who did it?
>no one really knows who did it?
it's, uh, pretty obvious who did it. we're just not saying it out loud.
damn it's almost like they dont have any concrete proof huh, I wonder how that would differ from an air strike.
>damn it's almost like they dont have any concrete proof huh,
the guy who did it very deliberately spoke russian to a police officer and that police officer very deliberately let him go.
pro tip: it wasn't actually the russians.
amerisharts did it without a doubt. but admitting it would make its vassal states look pathetic, so everyone is just pretending that it's a mystery.
Could they pretend that it's a mystery if they bombed a power plant on the ground?
>any foreign power can easily destabalize entire regions of a country through sabotage
Power substations aren't particularly defended if anyone wanted to have a go at it
And yet it's never happened. Curious.
lmaoing remembering those freaks shooting up power substations because mad about drag shows, and knowing in my bones that this is how it begins
Implying this was not just some fbi or cia spooks who were let loose because they needed to fill some media time.
nah i think it was just crazy people radicalized by the internet, same as usual
Eh could be as well. I honestly can imagine cleetus and bob just doing it for shits and gigles after cracking open a few cold ones.
>because no one is living here means they must have all died
Nuclear is the only one that has any of its disasters figured in. Oil would be at the top of pollution and deaths if every oil spill were taken into account.
Places like Pearl Harbor have fish that are still too toxic to eat because of the oil contamination. It's literally safer to live in Hiroshima than to swim in Pearl Harbor.
>US Navy operates 100+ nuclear reactors between submarines and carriers
>is it worth it?
>not living in a steel can waiting for the diesel charged electric batteries to explode from hydrogen
Yes. People who think nuclear is unsafe don't understand how well respected the uncertainty and inherent danger of using fission is in the industry.
it's inevitable. as energy use grows nuclear power must be used. there is no viable alternative to nuclear, it's just cope until current grid power gets too fucking dirty to be feasible or it's fuel becomes too expensive.
If you build it on a decent foundation and have proper upkeep.
It ain't really, we don't have that much Uranium and everything else is always, "in the future...." in terms of generating power.
I said "Boo-urns".
Disappointed because I really like going for long-term benefits, like spending a skill point on +10% exp gainthis never pays for itself because of level scaling and so the idea of "renewables" really appeals to me.
Now a combination of pissed off that everyone is clearly lying for profit, and suHispanicious of how much they are lying about the solution vs the threat.
Also it's funny that the majority of men are in favor of Nuclear and the only reason it's unpopular is so many women being against it.
just buy an electric car bro. turns out you can save the planet just by buying a slightly different type of car instead of having to change your lifestyle at all
Kinect and the continuation of motion based controls beyond the Wii
extracting and burning fossil fuels is bad, and this is not up for debate
>This is not up for debate
That's what people say when they know they're just emotionally clinging to an ideology.
yep, because extracting fossil fuels is by default bad, and this is not up for debate and i am not interested in anything you have to say otherwise
Stop using all fossil fuel products then.
i'd like to! and, i'm trying to. it's difficult sometimes, but not possible without living in rags in a cave somewhere. i'm trying to change that though. what are you doing?
You've never even attempted to try. You're a hypocrite, and a gay. You aren't about to give up any of the comforts that you've grown accustomed to. You just want to morally grandstand about subjects you haven't even spent more than 10 minutes thinking objectively about.
what makes you think that? you don't know anything about me. you don't have a leg to stand on, at all
I know exactly what you are. You're like every other person that clings to the anti-fossil fuel green agenda.
i've no idea why you're flying off the handle at me like this. i answered you honestly, truthfully and earnestly, and if you're mad that i did, then that's a 'you problem'
>It's not up for debate
Yes. Very honest and earnest. Keep enjoying your fossel fuel products.
What are you specifically doing in your daily life? Do you livesomewhere close to work and only bike to work? Do you use your own steam or only charcoal powered devices?
Its easy as hell to smugly sit behind a screen and tell everyone how bad they are, but youre likely no different.
well, i've been vegan for the past three years, and i've been biking to work (+doing grocery runs etc) for five. it's not much, but, you know. i've also not been 'smugly sitting behind a screen and telling everyone how bad they are', please don't put words in my mouth.
it's a difficult process
the government wants you dependant on them, you see
which is why they do shit like make it illegal to remove yourself from the power grid in some US States
Probably anything by Bethesda or Molyneux
No Man Sky easily. It'll be 100 years of free updates before they finally deliver on all the promises they made and even then the implementation falls short of the promises
True. I still can't understand how that game is any fun and why people are saying... You have to try no mans sky. After those 20 Patches it does make so much fun.
For me, it's still an empty universe with nothing to do, but the endless grind
Isn't this like the worst way to do solar panels?
You could place them on the tops of street lamps, and bus shelters. You could mandate that any new building has to have them set into the roof. All of that, without people driving their cars over them.
Yeah. It makes sense to consider roads a potential place to put solar panels, after all they're flat and a lot of them are in areas were the sun shine on them plenty, but frankly there's so many place where you could put solar panels first it's not worth to consider now.
>all my political opponents think it's bad so i think it's good because i'm smarter than them
Fossil Fuels suck. "Renewable energy" is a scam. Nuclear energy is the best choice as long as you're aware that they are slow and you can't rely on them as the solitary source in a power grid until the energy storage problem is solved. Maybe those heat batteries I saw shilled will do it.
Nuclear power for baseline power need that change only slightly from one month to the other.
Renewable energies for as much power as you can get. Notoriously fickle in a local scale, so just store it as potential energy whenever you have too much.
Regulate with potential energy stores and maybe an extra boost of nuclear when you need to.
>Nuclear energy is the best choice as long as you're aware that they are slow and you can't rely on them as the solitary source in a power grid
Do you understand how the system works? It takes an hour or 2 to get a reactor to 100% and that's just to heat water which will exhaust its energy in a steam turbine. If you understand that natural gas and coal plants are reliable as sole sources on a power grid then you should understand the same is true of a nuclear plant.
What he's referring to is the fact that you can't throttle a nuclear reactor to match power demand, but you can do that with coal or gas.
Yes, you can. I did it all the time. Your reactor power is typically built to follow the steam demand placed upon it.
Maybe that's true for navy vessels but grid nuclear power plants output the same amount of energy 24/7. The best solution they've come up with to throttle the output is to store excess energy in molten salt then extract the energy from to boil water when demand is higher
The garden gnomes moved us from coal to to oil and gas to be dependent on Israel's proxy states and invade their enemies.
Coal is just petrified wood, one forest fires produce more "pollution" than 10 years of a coal plant's activity. They demonized it because they wanted to unemploy conservative white people.
Coal is the real gem and the white man's energy. Climate change is fake and gay, CO2 is good for plants, coal is the most energy dense energy source and is everpresent.
>Calfornia circlejerk Climate change
>now half of California is cover in snow and on a bleak of a state wide flooding when the snow melt
I wonder when people will start seeing Climate change as a scam/distraction
>Calfornia circlejerk Climate change
>California suffering the effects of climate change
>coal is the most energy dense energy source
i don't think anybody calling an energy source 'white man energy' has a good enough brain to be worth talking to tbh
YOU are the most dense energy source
even jobless appalachia fuckers who breathe that shit in from birth don't agree with you on this
>DUDE lets put more energy into powering our technology instead of our HUMAN BODIES
worlds smartest humans employed
>we either "go green" with solar and wind
>uncontrollable power sources that will slow progress and bring blackouts
>or go nuclear and enjoy our current way of living with continued progress
>with the chance of a meltdown in some 3rd world country
which way white man?
are you ready to pay the price for living good?
The problem with nuclear is that takes a shitton of time to build new reactors.
Turning off the existing one is MEGA RETARDED, but building new ones will be a bit of too little too late, because in 10-20 years we will have the whole power storage thing solved, probably by the means of massive flywheels.
>in 10-20 years we will have the whole power storage thing solved, probably by the means of massive flywheels.
Spin a mass, the mass keeps spinning, storing the power in the process.
It solves several annoying problems such as having to syncronize the power to the grid and the whole AC vs DC and it's not made out of souls of starving fourth worlders like regular batteries.
and what is spinning the mass?
The power you want to store on it.
The flywheel is not to generate power, its to store power.
You use whatever the fuck you're using to generate power to spin the flywheel, and when you need the power, you use the flywheel spin to generate power back to the grid.
that's the dumbest shit I've heard in my life
literally just pump water uphill and then let it fall back down when you need the power
What if we boiled the water uphill tho
I'd rather look for pokeman creatures!
we could hire mexicans to lug the pails of water uphill
So basically, build a hydro power plant and an artificial lake to feed it. You'll lose some capacity to evaporation, but that shouldn't be that much capacity loss maybe? Also would need another artificial lake to hold the 'spent' water. Sound ok so far, except that the same budget could get you a normal hydro plant that generates energy instead of just storing it.
you're a little out of luck if the water sources aren't at the top of the mountain though. unfortunately, you work with the mountains that you have because importing mountains is difficult
True. Also goes for the storage facility, though I suppose there's more dry valleys available than ones with water sources.
yeah, it's easier to build a perpetually spinning, fragile, highly technical wheel of death than to make a water tower or an artificial reservoir. concrete's real scarce and expensive!
Flywheels are already in use, they're mostly found in trucks. Upscaling and making farms of them isn't nearly as high tech as you might think. Still more technical than water though.
presumably the ones you're making that are going to solve the power storage problem are going to be more complicated and finnicky than those on old timey steam engines that have been around for forever and so if they solved the problem then we wouldn't be in need of a solution to it
The moving parts will be the same, so no, not much more complicated nor finnicky. It's mostly the scale that's the problem - how big and how many wheels would you need to erect to match one artificial lake with a hydro plant? Napkin math says shitton. It's viable, but I'm pretty sure water's even more viable.
isn't building classic big power plants outdated by now?
small modular reactors and floating reactors is where it's at
>uncontrollable power sources that will slow progress and bring blackouts
How many countries have had blackouts because they invested too much in renewables energy? People always fearmonger over this but I never saw any exemple. Usually when there's a blackout it's got nothing to do with too many clouds in the sky or not enough wind, it's just the infrastructure in itself, like the fossil fuel power plant or the electricity tower that broke down.
bongland had to fire up coal power plants some time ago because they had no wind or sun
when the last fossil power plants close down things will get Hispanicy
>bongland had to fire up coal power plants some time ago
you literally have no idea what you are talking about
wow it's fucking nothing
ah fuck i knew i forgot to plug that in
>Time: 8 PM
nice im sure the batteries that don't cost as much if not more energy to create compared the lifetime of one solar panel will surely carry that burden
Brexit has been the funniest shit ever to watch from the sidelines. Britbongs literally nuked their own econ and supplylines just to stay more bri'ish and now the current gubment is desperately trying to whip up some nationalistic frenzy to stay popular by screeching about people coming with boats and how they will deport them to ruanda lmao while their supermarkets are running out of fucking veggies. Their last relevant monarch died and the nonce king will not have even close to level of popularity as the ol' lizzy had so that is not going to be as relevant glue to the society as it had been.
>the queen dies
b-but at least all the woke stuff in entertainment will stop soon, right?
I have put my prediction chips into "conditions accelerating towards police state neoliberal edition" corner.
Due to how the culture war is being used in bong isle I doubt any possibility that labor or leftwing movements will pick up enough energy behind to them to change the course since right wing has way way too much money behind them in comparison and most of the press is already very financially neo liberal. There will be no right wing uprising since there is no real muscle to do it in UK and Torys happily use the right wing rhetoric to please crowd addled by right wing media rags. Prepare for anti-trans and anti-"illegal"immigration pandering while privatisation will keep ramping up. The average bong will be served cheapest bread and circus while being bled dry by big corpo under the light reflecting from the CTV lenses but at least no more woke trannies to worry about.
Scotland will probly push harder to leave the union since they already didn't want to leave the EU and the south goverment is pandering the brexit geezers but the longer scots take with it the harder it will become due souther influence and money being used to keep them in. I wouldnt be suprised if south started to attempt to use legislation to shackle the scots even harder to the union since the trans law thingy was a clear mark that they're ready to put their fingers in others pies in what in larger picture is insignificant culture war thing.
Unironically if I was a britbong and in money I would probly look into moving out for like 5 to 10 years.
>if i was a britbong
weird. usually it's the americans with absolutely insane takes
The infrastructure of the grid is terrible almost everywhere. But, the reason there aren't massive blackouts from wind and solar failing is specifically because they still have fossil fuels to fall back on. If you want an idea of what a completely renewable grid would look like, California is probably the closest. Take a look at what they have to deal with.
They have fossil fuels to fall back on because despite what that other anon is saying countries in the northern hemisphere actually have experience in providing energy to their population and no governments is shutting down their power plants on the expectation that renewable energy will just have "a pretty good production year" from now on.
Exactly my point. They will always promise to shut down the evil fossil fuel power plants. But, they know they never can, because renewables are just terrible.
>no governments is shutting down their power plants on the expectation that renewable energy will just have "a pretty good production year" from now on.
that's incorrect. in 2001 the European Union issued the Large Combustion Plant Directive, which (cutting through the treacle) obliged power stations to limit their emissions or close by 2015. i don't know about other countries - perhaps others could chime in on the topic - but nine coal-fired power stations closed in Great Britain between 2012 and 2015, and the country's biggest total CO2 emitter - Drax - has now been converted from being coal-fired to fire biomass pellets instead.
Wasn't that one about turning coal plants into gas, oil or biomass plants? That's how it was interpreted up here, with a lot of plants having their guts replaced but otherwise remaining the same
to be honest, i don't know the gory details. i do know a lot of coal and gas-fired stations have been closed in the past decade, in fact i used to work for one of the contractors who used to mothball or dismantle them. (rip Keadby, rip Killingholme)
They were only planning on closing the coal plants, and switching to natural gas and nuclear. It wasn't a renewable change. And they didn't even fully implement that either.
funny thing, the decline of coal power in Great Britain also decimated rail freight. suddenly there's no need for 24/7 coal deliveries from colliery to power station, and the traffic that is left isn't exactly wagonload
GB has been one of the biggest investors in wind power on the planet, for obvious reasons. Hinkley Point is under construction and, as you say, the gas is still on for the time being.
"Promise" means jack shit, obviously politicians affiliated with their local green parties promise 100% renewable energy in the grid by 2050 if they're elected and allowed to really go ham, but that's just election talk.
Even if you can't ever fully get rid of fossil fuels it's still true that you can greatly reduce them, if for some reason we covered every inch of available roof in solar panels, every hill and every coast with wind turbine, every mountain valley with dams linked by pumps to great big artificial lakes above, then yes, possibly, depending on your country's size, you'd probably have enough renewable energy from millions of decentralized power sources to function in a completely carbon-free manner, even including what you need to actually build and maintain this titanic installation.
But that's just a vision, it's something to strive forward because obviously you're not going to answer "oh well we're aiming for 50% renewables and when we get there I guess we'll be pretty much done" but it's not something you should take seriously.
Nuke meltdown wouldn't be a problem if not for the fact that the world population has quadrupled in the last 100 years
it's really very easy to create enclosed, contained spaces for these sorts of things instead of giving in to jam packing everything.
I hate the global trends of land use or lack thereof, it's not only inefficient but also nauseating from the perspective of anyone who values natural spaces.
This is the retards way of thinking when answer literally is why not both since they're not in competition. Having "unreliables" as part of powergrid is just like having a bonus in paycheck if weather is good.
>or go nuclear and enjoy our current way of living with continued progress
"Blockchain" and NFTs
Does anybody remember that controller for NES and Genesis that was supposed to read your brainwaves and translate it into game inputs? It looked like a headband with a white box attached to it. I know I didn't dream this up, I have vivid memories of the magazine articles for it.
That was pretty Solar Roadways
EEG tech is still alive, mainly used for invalids and amputees.
there was a cat ear headband a while back that could emote from your brainwaves tho.
I have one of those
it's very strange but it does react to different thoughts
Are renewables still green compared to non-renewables after you factor in battery-related mining for the intermittent generation?
No, you also have to factor in disposing of wind turbine blades and dead solar panels.
>normalise wearing your coat indoors, and turning off the TV for a few hours a day
Wow, I saved the planet
an average human life accounts for 1 second of global CO2 production
individuals can't do shit to change anything, it requires gubberments to make big changes
The government's have been trying to reduce overall carbon levels for decades now. But, billions of people just refuse to die.
meanwhile, at the Gankerall
WHEN YOU COME TO IT
AND YOU CAN'T GO THROUGH IT
AND YOU CAN'T KNOCK IT DOWN
it takes more energy to make a solar panel than it will generate
>we will save the planet with solar and wind :^)
>aha, and when it's cloudy with no wind?
>we will have batteries for backup :^^*~~
>countries build huge battery storages to try and make the dream work
guess what gets targeted first in an invasion
for clarity, who is invading whom in this scenario you just invented inside your skull
china is invading taiwan, the only two countries left standing
tsmc ends up prevailing, licenses <5nm fab process to the lizard men
japan attacking hawaii
It's 2023, only shitty fascist controlled countries committing atrocities against their own people get invaded these days.
>batteries produce immense amounts of toxic waste
and you forgot
>batteries are one of the few things we can just easily recycle if you dont just throw it on the ground like the brick you are
>we can easily recycle
You are beyond salvation
>batteries are hard to recycle
For solar and wind you can always use gravity powered batteries... like we already do with hydro. Pump shit up hill during peak production, and let it flow down to produce hydro power during low production (obviously not applicable in every location)
what, you think a coal or natural gas plant wouldn't be targeted?
Batteries are worse for the environment at all stages than even fucking coal
They're an inherently limited energy medium less reliable than filling a giant pool of constantly evaporating water to the top and steadily draining it to produce force
I cannot exaggerate how fucking stupid it is that people are willing to fund battery technology when the proprietors themselves admit as much, it's a pipe dream without the pipe.
still waiting for one of these to be built
>That's all well and good but how do we get the energy down here?
no we just put the satellites up there by
well we just put them up there ok. we just put them up there and shut up. stop asking questions
Easy, just move the homes up there too
woah ..... we like, came from the stars to begin with.....
My inner gundam fan demands O'Neill Cylinders
Gundam colonies are insanely upscaled from O'neill's designs
Like 5x bigger
Really? Quick googling suggests the gundam UC colonies and O'Neill's biggest Island 3 design are of roughly similar sizes. Island 1 and 2 types do get dwarfed yes.
the whole planet could have been electrified by 2000 if not for greed and ignorance
sometimes this timeline feels like a bad game of civ
*saves the world from energy crisis*
nothing personnel, sheik
They will literally install artillery pieces on oil rigs to shoot these things to shit well before you see a single successful implementation.
There's nothing strictly wrong with measured deforestation and land management but I doubt that's what this is
It's more pertinent that the charcoal is the only practical renewable resource within said product
> Solar roadway music starts playing
>chernobyl accident happens
>men: cor blimey, better look into why that happened
>women: that looks dangerous, we can't have that here
>men: now now, let's figure out first why the accident happe-
>women: WE SAID NUCLEAR BAD
>MEDIA SAYS NUCLEAR BAD
>men: no wait, nuclear is excellent, you just don't understand how it wor-
>REEEEEEEEE SHUT IT DOWN
>MORE COAL AND GAS HAHA
it's chill bro environmentalists have figured out that nuclar is cool again and we actually need it to transition off of petro.
Only 12 more years before delays bros.
12 more years is really nothing, the moment this thing works the energy production will be revolutionarized forever. Obviously power plants won't be build for a decade after that but it will be a gamechanger for sure. The next challenge will probably be strengthening the actual grid to handle transitioning to the electricity gender.
This picture looks familiar. Something by Muskyboy right?
It's ITER, nuclear fusion plant that's being built by a bunch of countries together.
fusion power, anon. the simcity thing. they hit a milestone not long ago, so instead of being always 25 years in the future, it's now more like 15 years
Almost caught up to high capacity battery technology, then. Perpetual 15y vs perpetual 10y.
(leans out the window, bangs on the rooftop panel with a broom handle)
there that ought to do it. sorry lads
Turn it off, you besterd, you're leaking sun all over the wall.
Made me chuckle
Okay, listen, what if
seriously listen to me
what if instead of solar energy we gathered lunar energy
also a Scottish thing, weirdly enough
Isnt this shit really inefficient, and in places where enough power is generated by tides, the tides end up being so destructive that nobody can put down the powerplant?
Nah. There's some spots where it works just fine - I think both France and South Korea built pretty big ones into some lake or another. There are some places where the tides are too strong, yes, and there's the whole issue of energy storage again as tidal power goes in, well, tides
you can set up tidal power to support places that aren't well-suited for grid power connections, like the Highlands. so you're sinking a few tidal power stations offshore and running a cable to the places that are a few houses and a sheep under a few feet of snow and ice for eight months of the year, instead of stringing out power lines for miles and miles and miles.
(being 'destructive' is the point, like you've probably seen the videos of the kind of waves that oil rigs endure - tidal power can harness that energy)
There's places where it works but being limited to coasts does put a damper on its usability in most of the world
Will retards ever stop falling for the scam of "techbro with wildly impractical and unfeasable idea any half competent engineer can shot down in 5 seconds"
Never. You can give people irrefutable proof they're being scammed and they'll just double down. Can't make people understand what they don't want to understand.
But bro you are just not thinking outside the box, just look at Steve Jobs bro engineers hated him and yet made it iconic and got billions trust me bro that juicer with qr code scan will be the next iPhone!
Whatever happened to Megatextures?
It was a solution to a problem that didn't exist. It was later superseded by Virtual Texturing, which is basically just occlusion culling for textures
so solar panels work by converting the heat from the sun into some kind of energy? why not just use fire?
>so solar panels work by converting the heat
No, it converts the light, not the heat. Google photovoltaic effect for details.
big fire work of gods
shiny rock work of man
This video is like 10 years old right? I remember thinking it was cool but in hindsight yeah it stupid and impractical. The government can't even maintain roads and broken solar panels are hard to dispose of. The roads would probably kill all the birds too.