The problem is, they all look like individual army leaders in a single unit, it's a bit much. Simpler heads would sort that I expect. Shame there's a lack of a chainmail.
Knights of old had very individualized armor as it was very expensive and custom fit. I think it looks good but I never played fantasy so maybe I’m just a moronic homosexual
That's factually untrue. Call it dame or knightess or whatever but it's the same thing.
7 months ago
Anonymous
Now its not, its a woman larping as a knight.
Only men can be knights, women dont have a place on the battle field in chivalristic orders.
7 months ago
Anonymous
They only fought one battle, but they did successfully defend their homes.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_of_the_Hatchet
7 months ago
Anonymous
It's Bretonnia, if ze Lady decrees that this woman in particular be allowed to wear armor and fight in wars, who is going to argue?
7 months ago
Anonymous
7 months ago
Anonymous
The sorry thing about that quote is that the script writers, who being mostly Englishmen would have grown up with the stories and Oxbridge educated besides, wrenched the old stories. Pulling swords out of stones was the basis for Arthur's kingship, not getting swords from strange women lying in ponds.
Originally Arthur had only one sword, the sword in the in the stone, although it took a while before it was named Excalibur. His having two swords and the sword in the stone not being Excalibur was a retcon.
7 months ago
Anonymous
I will. Women belong in the bedroom and kitchen, nowhere else's and certainly not the battlefield. I don't give a damn what some fictional moistened bint thinks. Human physical abilities are the same regardless of how woke you think you are, and women can never and will never measure up.
That's factually untrue. Call it dame or knightess or whatever but it's the same thing.
Now its not, its a woman larping as a knight.
Only men can be knights, women dont have a place on the battle field in chivalristic orders.
How dare you dishonor sir Morgan le Soft-faced? He should 'ave you run through for calling him a woman!
Did you know he disappeared on a 9 month long quest to slay a most horrifyingly indescribable monster. Not only did he slay it, but he rescued a pure blooded noble babe doing so! Even after it sliced open his belly! And he most graciously adopted le poor child. his bravery and kindness are what le greatest tales are made of!"
(also you probably need enough effeminate looking men to sell the knights who are actually crossdressing women.)
7 months ago
Anonymous
Sir Generique pondering his own conventional attractiveness untarnished by months of campaigning
Jesus dude I don't know how these look when ranked up but frick me, the OP minis look terrible in comparison to these
Can these guys be used for anything?
There's probably something they could be used for.
>first full appearance
except for the full army in White Dwarf I guess.
Proxying for Bretonnians here by the look of it. Could have sworn there was at least some kind of army list tucked away in the citadel journal or the like though. Maybe I'm just thinking of the ancient Nippon one or something.
>These aren't knights, they're footmen, and a woman.
Why are leftists constantly lying? You'd think they have a bit more confidence in their own beliefs.
Nothing says moronic homosexual like being so fricking insecure you can’t utter a single opinion without calling yourself a moronic homosexual to preempt people maybe, possibly calling you a moronic homosexual.
Bretonnian knights are supposed to be incredibly individualistic, each knight wants to show off and make sure people know it has him whom slew that foe, held that tide of foes, died in heroic combat against evil, etc. As a result they all have their own colors and heraldry since they're all also nobles proud of their family heritage.
The reason they look wrong is a combination of size creep and lazy use of autocad in stark comparison to the perry miniature sculpts of the 6tj edition brets.
>Bret knights painted in a unified scheme looks wrong
I think this Anon has the right of it. I feel like the modern GW paint team has lost their touch for making individual designs. I also think that they paint everything way too "clean" now, especially Nurgle stuff, but that's a separate issue.
Yes, that's right, a Bretonnia player invented a time machine and posed as a medieval monk scribe to draw his favorite miniature in some picture book. You figured it out.
Frick I love this thread. It's all pseudo grogs shitting themselves in autistic rage over women and their devil veganas while the real Bret players are happy just to a. Exist again and b. Have more than one plastic kit of non-peasants.
There was a period where rough riders were more or less always made out of Bret's or empire knights coz the attilan metals were oop.
It's funny in a sad way, how hard they ape feminist logic on it. Women warriors are one of the oldest and most long-lived tropes in Western legendary/mythical storytelling, and they reject it out of hand because EVERYTHING MUST BE POLITICAL.
>Rough Riders
Oh, right, the fricking HEAT lances. Gonna have to find an excuse to dump a load of those on my Dark Heresy group some day
Bretonnian society is rigid and chivalrous. It's why Bretonnia is a shithole. It's rejected out of hand because it directly contradicts what has been established and the thematic core of the faction in a way an Empire Lady-Knight does not, you insufferable secondary. >oh but WHFRP 2e
WHFRP 2e said they pretended to be male. These ladies are not pretending to be shit.
Honestly a mysterious questing knight named character who all but stated to be a woman masquerading would be brilliant. All the better if it's a >men want to be him, women want to be with him
sort of paragon of questing knight chivalry. All without breaking the core of what makes Bretonnia Bretonnia - regressive medieval Arthurian society dialed up to 11.
7 months ago
Anonymous
Bretonnia is Monty Python jokes the faction you sad mudcore fetishist, if you want to squeal about how women don't belong then why not go play historical France in 6mm, I'm sure there were never any prominent females of a martial persuasion there, right?
Frickwit.
It's always the same with you people, your autistic fricktardery always boils down to "stop liking what I don't like" and nothing more.
7 months ago
Anonymous
If you thought that post was against the notion of martial women in fantasy, you're beyond help. They don't belong in the knightly caste of the society defined by its rigid adherence to chivalry. It'd be like having a black KKK grand wizard. It's just stupid. >big fricking tirade about mudcore and historicals >It's always the same with you people, your autistic fricktardery always boils down to "stop liking what I don't like" and nothing more.
Truly fricking rich. Go home, secondary.
7 months ago
Anonymous
>They don't belong in the knightly caste of the society defined by its rigid adherence to chivalry
Why? Can't the rules that constitute "chivalry" be different for them?
7 months ago
Anonymous
Bretonnia is Monty Python jokes the faction you sad mudcore fetishist, if you want to squeal about how women don't belong then why not go play historical France in 6mm, I'm sure there were never any prominent females of a martial persuasion there, right?
Frickwit.
It's always the same with you people, your autistic fricktardery always boils down to "stop liking what I don't like" and nothing more.
You are both wrong. Bretonnia was turned into Monty Python mudcore jokes with assbackward knights when WFB went grimderp in 6th edition. Prior to that Bretonnians were the "what if chivalry actually was real?" army.
>he has the crystal sword knights from the expansion pack and the clear knight from the promo booklet
holy fvcking kino
i would make the castle and the pirate ship fight, or my sisters and I would set them all up and take turns shooting them with nerf guns because our older brother played a lot of virtua cop 2
got a lot of man-hours out of that playset
I said the exact same thing when this picture was revealed and got absolutely blasted for it.
but they really do look like mantic models.
>they really do look like mantic models.
You can just say they look like shit, anon. We'll understand.
I really can't see how these models look "Mantic" at all. They're certainly better looking than the elfs and the human faction.
Could anyone spell out what's wrong with them or is it just contrarianism?
They look fine to me.
>Could anyone spell out what's wrong with them or is it just contrarianism?
Mantic looks like old GW to me, and I remember early 2000's through half of the 90's.
It's full circle. GW makes a reboot of their classic game with some more classic looking sculpts, so it looks like Mantic which is the more recent in memory than GW from well over 20 years ago.
They're weirdly proportioned imo. Similar thing happened with the other knight heroes. It looks like GW purposly regressed in terms of sculpting technology and uses standards from 2000s not 2020s.
If it's retro on purpose then the experiment didn't work
We do have the same upper body look in armour
Are you braindead? Do you think boob armour is real?
Or can you use your brain and realize with a Gambeson on, breasts are covered up and we look the same?
I don't like the girl being there either, but can you use your brain to criticize GW properly?
Like the fact that, idk. Their female models look like ugly troonys? LMAO
Boob armour isn't sexist
It's objectively wrong based on how armour works
7 months ago
Anonymous
It's wrong but somehow male boob armor is okay?
7 months ago
Anonymous
Yes.
7 months ago
Anonymous
Funny how no one ever points out any other aspect of armour being unrealistic, it's always muh "I'm totally bothered by muh sternum meme"
And as pictured
>Do you think boob armour is real?
Male boob armor is real.
This is a good analogy if your argument is that some hypotetical soldier/knight women would wear flatteringly sculpted boob armour for fashion purposes, since historically men did exactly that.
This is not a good analogy if your argument is that women would wear sculpted boob armour to better fit their physique, since muscle armour wasn't muscly to better fit the wearer but rather to superimpose a flattering sculpted look over the volumes of the armour (although it did fit them more snugly than common lower-quality cuirasses).
It is also worth noting that muscle armour existed at a period in time where armour technology wasn't as developed as with medieval plate armour, so, muscle armour wasn't significantly less effective than normal cuirasses. Plate armour uses curves and volumes to guide blows to slide outwards so that they don't find purchase to dent or punch through the metal, meaning their shape is very important and putting some boob volumes in it would make it less effective. So if boob armour had existed, it would have been purely for fashion and not as protective gear meeting battlefield standards; and you certainly wouldn't have needed to hammer boobs in the armour just to fit a woman's volumes, since you can accomodate the shape of a normal breastplate to give a little more room upstairs if needed and most boobs will disappear under a gambeson anyway.
>it's good except it's not because women wouldn't want to look good even though male soldiers were giant prancing wieners whenever possible and it's easy to assume women would not also do this
Is your reading comprehension really that shitty, or are you just pretending to misread arguments to be in a better position to argue against them? Because nothing in that post said that women don't want to look good or women wouldn't use fashion armour to the same extent men did.
7 months ago
Anonymous
Except for the second larger paragraph that said women wouldn't wear boob armor.
7 months ago
Anonymous
No, I said that people wore muscle cuirasses in Greek and Roman times because it wasn't significantly less effective than normal armour of the time, but people did not wear muscle plate armour in the renaissance because the exact shape and surface of plate armour IS important for it to be effective and changing it for fashion would make it significantly worse.
So, ancient muscle cuirasses aren't a good argument as to why women would have worn boobplate. It is a good argument for why Xena could have worn a boob cuirass, but it wouldn't work for Johan of Arc. It is a very simple argument to follow.
I'm not even saying that miniatures or art shouldn't have boobplate or that boobplate is entirely out of the realm of realism, but I am saying that muscle armour isn't a relevant argument since it comes from a very different period than plate armour, and one where the relationship between form and function in armour technology were very different.
Not that I expect you'll understand this post, since you've already proved that you're either a troll, arguing in bad faith, or too stupid to understand a paragraph of text.
>We do have the same upper body look in armour
No, we really don't.
A woman cannot move more than a kilometer if wearing an armor made for a male 20cmm taller.
She can't sword for shit anyway.
But worry not there were MANY women following medieval armies. That was one of the point of their frequent "wars".
But what if it was armor for a male 20cm shorter?
There are averages and there are outliers. The outliers of the bellow average group can match or surpass the mean of the above average group. Just mathematically less often.
I know plenty of women who could do all that. At the same time I know a lot more men who could do the same, and whole lot more women who can't.
Wow, they are bringing back the classic kits too, and holy shid. They look good but whoever painted them all the same color is an absolute homosexual.
The new stuff looks like absolute dog shit compared to the classic kits. How did they manage to fail so hard? And did they intentionally paint the old kids poorly so the new dog shit would look decent in comparison?
Basically the current sculptors suffer the problem of mad scientists - they were so focused on if they could do something they never asked themselves if they should.
The detailing on models is good, even poses are alright for a rank and file unit but they all would benefit from having like half the knick-knacks they have. Or less. To make them less busy.
>half the knick-knacks they have. Or less. To make them less busy.
If GW did that you'd be shitting on them by saying >haha look GW has existed since forever and these simple ass models are the best they can do!!!
I actually love this about the painfully slow eldar range refresh. They keep the extra dodads to a minimum, feels like the classic aspect warriors just with better poses. And without the finecrap.
Those aren't exactly the greatest kits from the time anon. Quite basic and limited, but there we go. They were very likely painted in the same scheme as as not to daunt new people getting into the hobby. It is obviously quicker that way and the old world seems behind schedule, so there's that too. No rules on how you paint warhammer anon.
To be honest it seems like anything short of a re-release of 6th edition is going to mortally offend some players who more than likely won't buy any models anyway.
>They were very likely painted in the same scheme as as not to daunt new people getting into the hobby.
IIRC they actually came straight out and said this in one of their blogposts. I think their lore justification for having all the knights painted in the same colour and heraldry is that sometimes dukes get particularly anal about wanting everyone to know who's in charge.
GW has literally never made a Bretonnian woman knight model before now, so I don't see why they would suddenly change their minds. It's just a beardless boy.
>lore-wise still technically not a knight.
Learn your lore. King Louis the Young made her both a knight *and* a duchess after she slew the Chaos lord Kharan the Blighted in single combat.
yes! 'tis merely a beardless boy! a modest boy who keeps mostly to himself! nary one to wash with his fellows but is modest and retires to the privacy of his own tent!
I will admit that is a clear improvement over the original damsel mini. Though the paintjob doesn't help; the white cloth should be wet/semi-transparent like the OG studio model was. But that's something easily done by the end user, and the sculpt itself is good.
>walk into FLGS with my bucket of orcs >chat up a new guy and get a pickup game started. >"I brought my orc army, how about 2k points?" >he begins pulling his pristine white tau army from his new GW stalactite cases. >he finishes pulling out his minis and aligns them on his end of the table. >"mech boy, eh? Personally, I like the green tide." >I tip the bucket over, allowing green ink to pour onto the table, coating the bases and feet of his minis with a neon green stain. >"does that look like 2k points to you?" >I am once again thrown out by the owner, yelling about how I'm not allowed to stain the tables >I think he's just a shill that's pissed I don't use official GW minis.
>Bring my gaseous Nurgle Demons >Opponent resigns on the first turn >Again
Only problem is I need to buy another load of beans and garlic between each game
That's a really great paintjob
When you look at the dress and the cloak it's clear the painter is great
The face seems like it was painted in the early 2000s which I guess is cool, not my thing but it's not like I could do better
The Citadel paint style simply isn't compatible with female faces. There's no point in getting upset about it (and you weren't, anon); it's just never going to change until their painting guidelines do.
>mon dieu! Jaque eez wearing a bell on heez belt! Belt-bells eez moi trademark! Well I weel show heem. I weel not suffer thees outrage!
Why the frick are theu wearing bells on their belts? They must be annoying as frick in the middle of combat. Swinging all over the place and making homosexual ting-a-ling noises constantly.
The problem is the poses and the proportions
They go from looking clunky alone but cartoonish together
The kinds of details they have should be far smaller and finer
noun
1.
(in the Middle Ages) a man who served his sovereign or lord as a mounted soldier in armour
Not only are those guys soldiers, but they technically aren't even knights since they're infantry not cavalry
sometimes you fight in terrain unsuited to horses or have to lay siege to a castle, or defend its walls, so although they ideally fought from horseback they did not always
moron
I'm not going to sit here and explain how feudalism works to you anon. I can't believe how you thought this was a good argument when you had to Google the definition of a knight
In your crazy world does someone stop being a knight the moment they get off their horse? If they get dismounted mid combat are they also immediately demoted to footman?
>you lose your knighthood, your potentially inherited rank and cease being a member of your social class the second you dismount
Yeez, that's almost flamines levels of inconvenient taboos.
Not a big fan of the poses, the older metals were better. The head pieces seem good though, so I might use some perry bits and mounted knight bits to make closed versions of the open helmets and just make the poses better suited for 20mm bases.
I dig this one
I will be sticking with my old metals unless someone releases an anime headsweap for that one
Is that ASOIAF from CMON? I like their shit, it's very good, but I never got into it just because no one would play it with me and it's definitely a money sink for me if I'm just buying them to paint.
i would buy few boxes as my faba empire army foot knights but considering how much they will cost it would be just as same to go ebay and get real pewter ones
besides real ones would come with correct size bases
btw is it confirmed that the old world will force people to rebase their faba armies with those smaller base sizes i heard so much about maybe an year ago
You have to either rebase them(not hard, hell if you just superglue your 20mm base onto the new 25mm base you'll probably keep up with height creep) or you can use spacer trays to space out your minis
ohh right i forgot the base sizes were getting bigger not smaller because new models are not oneposes anymore and are impossible to rank, my bad i tend not to think around or about new models at all >spacer trays
i bet every single 3D printing ebay/amazon salesman will have a busy half year when they release that game
its already done
they are already making money.
GW, as usual, is dumb and didnt do this themselves. By the time TOW comes out they will have lost a pile of cash for slowness
so basically GW will start selling those movement trays the same day when TOW drops with 600% margin and then they start complaining how 3D printing is the bane of all existence because everyone already has them
smart business telling everyone year before how you are going to frick them up and playing the victim after
>start complaining how 3D printing is the bane of all existence because everyone already has them
Has GW even publicly acknowledged the existence of 3-d printing yet?
7 months ago
Anonymous
theyve been caught 3D printing already with layer lines in some photos of studio models
7 months ago
Anonymous
I don't know how that's surprising, anything that involves digitally modelling something is going to be printed before it's put into mass production nowadays.
7 months ago
Anonymous
I meant more a long the lines of 3-d printing pirated models, I know they released a statement about animations and other media produced off of warhammer settings
7 months ago
Anonymous
that was a fingerprint in the paint layer on that one image.
7 months ago
Anonymous
I meant more a long the lines of 3-d printing pirated models, I know they released a statement about animations and other media produced off of warhammer settings
Why would they?
3d printing is not a threat to them like everyone thinks it is.
I have explained this a lot of times to people but ill do it again.
3d printing is not a big of threat as people think it is, if anything its cutting into recasters more. 3d printing in on itself is a hobby, that you cant just buy a printer, set it up and you are good to go, there is a bunch of little things you gotta learn how to do in order to get it going. With that said lets look at the people who do 3d prints, becuase they fall into 2 catagories
The pirate printer: This guy is printing full blown 3d models, and or reprints of existing models from GW, but here is the thing though, this is the same guy that was already never buying from GW in the first place, This is the guy that was buying recasts, dowloading his own books, basically a non GW customer as it was. So GW is not really loosing this person as a customer, if anything its taking customers away from recasters over in RU and china.
The bit printer: Again a person that GW is not at threat by because they are filling a niche that GW can not reasonably fill. Bit printers like PGTM are printing super specific niche bits that GW would never be able to make a mold for, and then turn a profit on. There are just not enough players in the world that would want left handed chain kopesh swords for GW to justify making the mold for it. Again not cutting into GW.
Now i think GW should lean into 3d printing for stuff, like have their store do on demand printing of things like terrain, and made to order bits that would be smart, but other then that, 3d printing is not cutting into them as deep as people think.
7 months ago
Anonymous
Not to completely disagree with you but I bought a 3D printer, set it up, and was printing proxies after watching a few YouTube videos and I’m a barely tech literate jock. It’s not that hard at all .
7 months ago
Anonymous
Aye, its not THAT hard, but remember, most people are very lazy, and most people wont go through the effort you went through.
7 months ago
Anonymous
Neither is painting but people will pay others hefty commissions just for better than average paintjobs
7 months ago
Anonymous
I bought an FDM printer, and after a youtube video and a couple prints trouble shooting, I'm now printing terrain nearly 24/7 for fractions of a penny on the dollar. It has completely elevated and enhanced my wargamming experience I can't believe I went so long without getting one.
I'm also currently sourcing out a resin printer. And yes, they are slightly more complicated and require more safety precautions, but every month a new model comes out that makes it that much more user friendly. And now I will be able to print sculpts from all sorts of rule sets for fractions of the cost of official models, allowing me to test out and play all sorts of things.
3D printers are the biggest innovation in wargamming, probably ever, and will and have completely changed the face of the hobby for good, and in 10 years, 3D printers will be as ubiquitous in the home as paper printers.
7 months ago
Anonymous
my brother just grabbed a resin printer after taking the fdm route too
he's fabricating shit for work now too
taught himself cad when he was unsatisfied slicing up pirated models
it really is a game changer, he prototypes game components for me too
we can bullshit about an idea and he'll no fooling, have it drafted and printed in 2-6 hours
the printer is a hobby in itself, he's always printing upgrades for the printer
i think i'm going to get into it too at this rate
7 months ago
Anonymous
I never understood why GW didnt just license out a recaster to do oldhammer sculpts. Theyd make free money just collecting a % of revenue and itd instantly put all the others out of business. Same for the bits printers, itd probably be in GW interests because it would stop bitsellers on ebay mass buying kits just to flog individual bits.
its already done
they are already making money.
GW, as usual, is dumb and didnt do this themselves. By the time TOW comes out they will have lost a pile of cash for slowness
I kinda like the unified look and more ornate special units and heroes.
I played in 5E/6E era and opponents were constantly dissing my multi-colored force and saying they couldn't tell who was supposed to be a hero and which types of special knights were which.
The problem isn't that each of them look like overdesigned unit leaders. Bretonnian Knights have always been like that. The issue is that they're Bretonnian Knights on Foot. Infantry is a peasant's job. Nobles enter battle on the back of an honorable steed.
Maybe they all decided to follow the Virtue of Empathy. Which would be probably more interesting than making them run of the mill Knights of the Realm tbh, instead of normal knights sneering at peasantry and sending them to their death, you'd get the Noblesse Oblige bleeding hearts that decide to fight shoulder to shoulder with lowly infantrymen and get regarded as eccentric by their fellow bretonnian knights (and as true honorable heroes by peasants)
>That hasn't been a thing in over 15 years.
It quite literally comes from the last army book ever published for Bretonnia, back in 2004. Exactly the kind of nostalgia wank GW would be trying to milk.
lorelets her strawmanning hard. As if women pretending to be knights and bretonnian men being too stupid to notice hasn't been part of their lore since day one
This thread is hilarious to me. Grogs spent years clamoring for WHFB, saying how it's so much better (it wasn't and anyone with half a brain can check any time for themselves, since the rules are all easily available online), and now that it's happening, all they can do is come up with excuses and whine "it wasn't like that!".
I won't, because I wouldn't be caught dead collect french-inspired trash. Hell, women are too manly to represent frenchmen as it is.
Bretonnia was a mistake in OG warhammer and continues to be so in Old Wolrd
>WS4 S3/T3 1A I3, 4+ save (3+ depending if they do Hand Weapon + Shield being another +1 to save)
Honestly, kinda trash. The great weapon version is better but still just discount greatswords, presumably without stubborn and with only heavy armor instead of full plate.
Well yeah, they're there in part to have a far sturdier battleline and boost peasant morale more than actually delivering a punch. That's what the lances are for.
Like the one thing Warhammer had over Black person cattle gay properties like DnD and WoW is they actually tried to make the base setting immersive: human armies that (usually) cared about logistics and ergonomics.
Now it's suffering the fate of any game that used to try to be immersive: add women under the guise of appeasing the women and culture gays (neither of whom play) in a bid to appease the coomers.
Nu-Kislev fricking sucks. The ass ugly Ice Guard were bad enough but now the mixed-gender Akshinas with better stats than most male infantry in the game. Cathay is utterly FUBAR with more than half of their army being kpop girls.
Funniest thing: women knights, elite body guards, elite infantry? Absolutely! But uh, the Bretonnian and Cathayan peasant chaff whose only job is to die? Only men, please. They're expendable.
So much for a return to the traditional Old World; trying to gay it up at every turn. I don't even base any criticism on hatred of women; no one minded female elf warriors or female wizards or whatever the frick. It's all about immersion, pretending these 95 pound ladies aren't going to be tired and begging for the men to carry their gear 2 hours into a march. Say ANYTHING the troony homosexuals will deflect to the undefeatable muh sexism trump card. Redditors who care about the image of being a nerd instead of actually being one ruin another Fantasy world. Shocking, I know.
You've already been shown how wrong you are but don't worry, you're also wrong for another reason. >pretending
When it's plainly fricking obvious that she's a (GW) woman. The Life of Brian stoning scene does a better job of illustrating that lore than this.
Like the one thing Warhammer had over Black person cattle gay properties like DnD and WoW is they actually tried to make the base setting immersive: human armies that (usually) cared about logistics and ergonomics.
Now it's suffering the fate of any game that used to try to be immersive: add women under the guise of appeasing the women and culture gays (neither of whom play) in a bid to appease the coomers.
Nu-Kislev fricking sucks. The ass ugly Ice Guard were bad enough but now the mixed-gender Akshinas with better stats than most male infantry in the game. Cathay is utterly FUBAR with more than half of their army being kpop girls.
Funniest thing: women knights, elite body guards, elite infantry? Absolutely! But uh, the Bretonnian and Cathayan peasant chaff whose only job is to die? Only men, please. They're expendable.
So much for a return to the traditional Old World; trying to gay it up at every turn. I don't even base any criticism on hatred of women; no one minded female elf warriors or female wizards or whatever the frick. It's all about immersion, pretending these 95 pound ladies aren't going to be tired and begging for the men to carry their gear 2 hours into a march. Say ANYTHING the troony homosexuals will deflect to the undefeatable muh sexism trump card. Redditors who care about the image of being a nerd instead of actually being one ruin another Fantasy world. Shocking, I know.
Indeed, doesn't the cultural chauvinism of the Brettonians ironically mean that any woman in Knightly plate can just say 'no I am a guy' and that's good enough, because EVERYONE knows that a Woman can't be a knight, and a Knight is to be taken at his word?
Yes I'm sure they'll dig up whatever 30-year-old throwaway paragraph to justify it. Now explain why half of Kislev and Cathayan troops are women.
I'm sure all the knights are really fooled by the GI Jane in their ranks when she needs help getting on her horse or can't split a log making camp.
I'm sure the 6'8" Norscan who clobbered her to the floor will respect her stride for equality and not go any further.
Kislev: They have a long tradition of it, because they know that the forces of Chaos aren't going to respect terms like 'non-combatant' and 'civilians' when they ride south, so everyone of every age and sex needs to be ready to fight and die to hold the line against the darkness.
Cathay, I have no idea; they had next to no lore until very recently.
7 months ago
Anonymous
The occasional tzarina or traditional ice witches isn't exactly half the army being chicks, moron. Warhammer babes were rare exceptions, and usually magical
7 months ago
Anonymous
The kislev design that CA came up with is basically all male. Only female units are the ice court and the skirmisher cav.
That same source also points out that the women have to hide the fact that they're women because female knights are forbidden, so they're not going to be swanning around with their face uncovered.
I was mad that the Chaos Dwarfs didn’t get a rework when they got their dlc for Warhammer III TW, but it didn’t take long before I realized the bullet that had been dodged, and I am no grateful that their basically just old school Big Hat Chorfs and the FW Slayer Cult in armor. It’s bad enough that the Lammasu is a lion now and not a bull, but I’ll fricking take it over nu-age slop
>It's all about immersion, pretending these 95 pound ladies aren't going to be tired and begging for the men to carry their gear 2 hours into a march.
Pretending men could possibly beat any of the shit they face in any fantasy setting is just as laughable. Your appeals to realism are highly inconsistent.
>Say ANYTHING the troony homosexuals will deflect to the undefeatable muh sexism trump card.
That's because it's extremely easy to see the double standard here. Men get to be magical heroes and do whatever impossible shit they want. Women get the """""""realism"""""" argument and apparently aren't allowed to do anything.
Do whatever the frick you want, just spare us all the condescending "I'm a real nerd because I think women should suck in fantasy" line.
Genuinely the only good looking sets they've announced in years. They're a bit busy, but they're clearly influenced by old school minis but adopting the best parts of new minis being dynamic poses.
I always figured that getting new Cathay and Kislev armies was always going to be dependent on how well the initial offerings sell. Two brand-new army ranges is a huge investment even for something like 40k or AoS, never mind the re-release of a game that was axed for not selling well enough in the first place.
Anyone not on this list.
Skaven have fully retreated from the surface to fight their civil war.
Vampires are hiding after losing the Vampire Wars.
Daemons cannot manifest because Chaos is too weak.
Ogres, Dark Elves, Lizardmen and Chaos Dwarfs are too insular to fit in the narrative.
That's probably part of the reason. Their models are still fresh and usable. Most of the armies on that list don't have active models lines that work well from AoS. That's the pattern I interpreted anyway. Of course, orcs and goblins and warriors of chaos kind of throw a wrench in that idea.
they mostly live on another continent on the other side of the world, separated from the Empire and the rest of the Old World (the name of the game itself), by a really big ocean.
isn't TOW supposed to take place a couple hundred years or so prior to the "current" timespan that was WHFB?
WFB always hated lizardmen because they were stapled to it from a different setting that was made before warhammer was created. AoS is the 1st time setting actually is ment to include them
> dark elves too insular > yet High Elves are here > even though there is a fricking invasion of Ulthuan going on
Yeah ok... quit trying to justify the marketing decisions with le EPIC DEEP fantasy 'lore.'
Anon both studios are working from the same set of concept art for the same set of units, and everything that CA put into their game had to be approved by GW first. If you think GW's plastic range (if it ever happens) is going to be significantly different to the in-game models then I've got some bad news for you.
Not great but not the worst miniatures I've seen. Passable if you don't have a preexisting army, don't have access to a 3d printer, or can't drop the cash on a good printer and a few sets of stl files. The color scheme idea is interesting. I had never considered ducal regiments as an army concept for the Bretonnians. Having 2-4 smaller 1000-1500 point ducal regiments as part of a larger army. If I didn't already have three sizable armies from years ago, I might have been tempted by this reveal.
Choose your champion
>nativity scene
>sunburst, lily, candles, and swords
>whole ass woman
I choose the hornblower that brought his daughter's barbie doll on his helm
The problem is, they all look like individual army leaders in a single unit, it's a bit much. Simpler heads would sort that I expect. Shame there's a lack of a chainmail.
Knights of old had very individualized armor as it was very expensive and custom fit. I think it looks good but I never played fantasy so maybe I’m just a moronic homosexual
These aren't knights, they're footmen, and a woman. A tiny unit of 9 footmen, and a woman.
>A tiny unit of 9 footmen, and a woman.
That'll be 70£
They're listed as knights on foot you fricking moron.
But there's a woman, so they can't be knights, because women can't be knights.
That's factually untrue. Call it dame or knightess or whatever but it's the same thing.
Now its not, its a woman larping as a knight.
Only men can be knights, women dont have a place on the battle field in chivalristic orders.
They only fought one battle, but they did successfully defend their homes.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_of_the_Hatchet
It's Bretonnia, if ze Lady decrees that this woman in particular be allowed to wear armor and fight in wars, who is going to argue?
The sorry thing about that quote is that the script writers, who being mostly Englishmen would have grown up with the stories and Oxbridge educated besides, wrenched the old stories. Pulling swords out of stones was the basis for Arthur's kingship, not getting swords from strange women lying in ponds.
Originally Arthur had only one sword, the sword in the in the stone, although it took a while before it was named Excalibur. His having two swords and the sword in the stone not being Excalibur was a retcon.
I will. Women belong in the bedroom and kitchen, nowhere else's and certainly not the battlefield. I don't give a damn what some fictional moistened bint thinks. Human physical abilities are the same regardless of how woke you think you are, and women can never and will never measure up.
*laughs in the lady's blessings*
How dare you dishonor sir Morgan le Soft-faced? He should 'ave you run through for calling him a woman!
Did you know he disappeared on a 9 month long quest to slay a most horrifyingly indescribable monster. Not only did he slay it, but he rescued a pure blooded noble babe doing so! Even after it sliced open his belly! And he most graciously adopted le poor child. his bravery and kindness are what le greatest tales are made of!"
(also you probably need enough effeminate looking men to sell the knights who are actually crossdressing women.)
Sir Generique pondering his own conventional attractiveness untarnished by months of campaigning
>These aren't knights
Jesus dude I don't know how these look when ranked up but frick me, the OP minis look terrible in comparison to these
Can these guys be used for anything?
There's probably something they could be used for.
Proxying for Bretonnians here by the look of it. Could have sworn there was at least some kind of army list tucked away in the citadel journal or the like though. Maybe I'm just thinking of the ancient Nippon one or something.
>These aren't knights, they're footmen, and a woman.
Why are leftists constantly lying? You'd think they have a bit more confidence in their own beliefs.
Generally their beliefs exist as window-dressing for a naked grab at power.
>all it took fo anons to become gay was a dude with soft features
Nothing says moronic homosexual like being so fricking insecure you can’t utter a single opinion without calling yourself a moronic homosexual to preempt people maybe, possibly calling you a moronic homosexual.
You moronic fricking homosexual.
Bretonnian knights are supposed to be incredibly individualistic, each knight wants to show off and make sure people know it has him whom slew that foe, held that tide of foes, died in heroic combat against evil, etc. As a result they all have their own colors and heraldry since they're all also nobles proud of their family heritage.
The reason they look wrong is a combination of size creep and lazy use of autocad in stark comparison to the perry miniature sculpts of the 6tj edition brets.
The paint job isn't doing them any favors either. Bret knights painted in a unified scheme looks wrong and goes against what they're all about.
>Bret knights painted in a unified scheme looks wrong
I think this Anon has the right of it. I feel like the modern GW paint team has lost their touch for making individual designs. I also think that they paint everything way too "clean" now, especially Nurgle stuff, but that's a separate issue.
wait, so is this where that fish head knight comes from?
Yes, that's right, a Bretonnia player invented a time machine and posed as a medieval monk scribe to draw his favorite miniature in some picture book. You figured it out.
Clearly we are thinking of different images but whatever satisfies your ego.
I've got a stack of those guys just sitting around on sprues somewhere, I guess I've finally got a good reason to get round to assembling them now
>Kill team stranded on a feudal world
Frick I love this thread. It's all pseudo grogs shitting themselves in autistic rage over women and their devil veganas while the real Bret players are happy just to a. Exist again and b. Have more than one plastic kit of non-peasants.
There was a period where rough riders were more or less always made out of Bret's or empire knights coz the attilan metals were oop.
It's funny in a sad way, how hard they ape feminist logic on it. Women warriors are one of the oldest and most long-lived tropes in Western legendary/mythical storytelling, and they reject it out of hand because EVERYTHING MUST BE POLITICAL.
>Rough Riders
Oh, right, the fricking HEAT lances. Gonna have to find an excuse to dump a load of those on my Dark Heresy group some day
Bretonnian society is rigid and chivalrous. It's why Bretonnia is a shithole. It's rejected out of hand because it directly contradicts what has been established and the thematic core of the faction in a way an Empire Lady-Knight does not, you insufferable secondary.
>oh but WHFRP 2e
WHFRP 2e said they pretended to be male. These ladies are not pretending to be shit.
Honestly a mysterious questing knight named character who all but stated to be a woman masquerading would be brilliant. All the better if it's a
>men want to be him, women want to be with him
sort of paragon of questing knight chivalry. All without breaking the core of what makes Bretonnia Bretonnia - regressive medieval Arthurian society dialed up to 11.
Bretonnia is Monty Python jokes the faction you sad mudcore fetishist, if you want to squeal about how women don't belong then why not go play historical France in 6mm, I'm sure there were never any prominent females of a martial persuasion there, right?
Frickwit.
It's always the same with you people, your autistic fricktardery always boils down to "stop liking what I don't like" and nothing more.
If you thought that post was against the notion of martial women in fantasy, you're beyond help. They don't belong in the knightly caste of the society defined by its rigid adherence to chivalry. It'd be like having a black KKK grand wizard. It's just stupid.
>big fricking tirade about mudcore and historicals
>It's always the same with you people, your autistic fricktardery always boils down to "stop liking what I don't like" and nothing more.
Truly fricking rich. Go home, secondary.
>They don't belong in the knightly caste of the society defined by its rigid adherence to chivalry
Why? Can't the rules that constitute "chivalry" be different for them?
You are both wrong. Bretonnia was turned into Monty Python mudcore jokes with assbackward knights when WFB went grimderp in 6th edition. Prior to that Bretonnians were the "what if chivalry actually was real?" army.
gw miniatures are bad you're just a consumer paypig who hasn't looked at anything objectively for a decade
They look weirdly... idk... round? Closer to something i expect from Mantic than GW.
I said the exact same thing when this picture was revealed and got absolutely blasted for it.
but they really do look like mantic models.
>they really do look like mantic models.
You can just say they look like shit, anon. We'll understand.
this springs to mind
SOVL
>he has the crystal sword knights from the expansion pack and the clear knight from the promo booklet
holy fvcking kino
i would make the castle and the pirate ship fight, or my sisters and I would set them all up and take turns shooting them with nerf guns because our older brother played a lot of virtua cop 2
got a lot of man-hours out of that playset
That looks like the right scale for Battle Beasts. Can any of you guys confirm? Would have been awesome.
What the hell there were other toys? I only had the original castle
I really can't see how these models look "Mantic" at all. They're certainly better looking than the elfs and the human faction.
Could anyone spell out what's wrong with them or is it just contrarianism?
They look fine to me.
It's mostly b***hing to b***h
Proportions, "chunky" weapons and shields.
Also people are not used to see square bases from GW any longer and connect them with Mantic.
I said they look Mantic not bad.
they look really "digital"; a plastic version of a videogame cutscene.
>I said they look Mantic
>not bad
what could he possibly mean by this
>Could anyone spell out what's wrong with them or is it just contrarianism?
Mantic looks like old GW to me, and I remember early 2000's through half of the 90's.
It's full circle. GW makes a reboot of their classic game with some more classic looking sculpts, so it looks like Mantic which is the more recent in memory than GW from well over 20 years ago.
They're weirdly proportioned imo. Similar thing happened with the other knight heroes. It looks like GW purposly regressed in terms of sculpting technology and uses standards from 2000s not 2020s.
If it's retro on purpose then the experiment didn't work
You gays will really complain about anything, huh?
>noooooo! consoooom, you must consooooooooooom!
>consoooom
>or obsess about consoooming
Yea those are 100% the only two options. There’s def no less pathetic 3rd option
>ESG drones arrive
GW is not getting "ESG points" for SILLY HELMETS you braindead fricking cretin.
>SILLY HELMETS
what about tiny hats tho
That's why they made a woman the unit champion
You drooling village idiot.
A flag bearer isn't a unit champion, that's typically a low ranking position
For me they're just a little too busy, especially compared to the old plastics they're being released alongside.
I guess you'll be able to combine bits with the old kits though hopefully with minimal cutting.
The old metal foot knights of various vintages had some absolutely beautiful sculpts
They'll look better on round bases than squished together. Same issue WHFB has always had.
>I guess you'll be able to combine bits with the old kits though hopefully with minimal cutting
>minimal cutting
Have you seen one of GWs recent plastic kits?
You will have to do a lot of cutting.
I'm completely fine with women I just wish GW wouldn't pretend that men and women have the exact same upper body
We do have the same upper body look in armour
Are you braindead? Do you think boob armour is real?
Or can you use your brain and realize with a Gambeson on, breasts are covered up and we look the same?
I don't like the girl being there either, but can you use your brain to criticize GW properly?
Like the fact that, idk. Their female models look like ugly troonys? LMAO
>Do you think boob armour is real?
Male boob armor is real.
Thats not boob armour you braindead frick
It's artisanaly crafted armour for aesthetics to make the wearer look in peak physical condition
I assure you, on the inside, it is completely flat.
>completely flat
are you sure m8? Why wouldn't it just be stamped?
yeah they pressed it with shredocles' abs after a wicked 4 hour bridge sesh
>dude trust me also this would not also be the case for boob armor either you sexist
Boob armour isn't sexist
It's objectively wrong based on how armour works
It's wrong but somehow male boob armor is okay?
Yes.
Funny how no one ever points out any other aspect of armour being unrealistic, it's always muh "I'm totally bothered by muh sternum meme"
And as pictured
I don't even think it's particularly unrealistic.
This is a good analogy if your argument is that some hypotetical soldier/knight women would wear flatteringly sculpted boob armour for fashion purposes, since historically men did exactly that.
This is not a good analogy if your argument is that women would wear sculpted boob armour to better fit their physique, since muscle armour wasn't muscly to better fit the wearer but rather to superimpose a flattering sculpted look over the volumes of the armour (although it did fit them more snugly than common lower-quality cuirasses).
It is also worth noting that muscle armour existed at a period in time where armour technology wasn't as developed as with medieval plate armour, so, muscle armour wasn't significantly less effective than normal cuirasses. Plate armour uses curves and volumes to guide blows to slide outwards so that they don't find purchase to dent or punch through the metal, meaning their shape is very important and putting some boob volumes in it would make it less effective. So if boob armour had existed, it would have been purely for fashion and not as protective gear meeting battlefield standards; and you certainly wouldn't have needed to hammer boobs in the armour just to fit a woman's volumes, since you can accomodate the shape of a normal breastplate to give a little more room upstairs if needed and most boobs will disappear under a gambeson anyway.
>it's good except it's not because women wouldn't want to look good even though male soldiers were giant prancing wieners whenever possible and it's easy to assume women would not also do this
You idiot.
Is your reading comprehension really that shitty, or are you just pretending to misread arguments to be in a better position to argue against them? Because nothing in that post said that women don't want to look good or women wouldn't use fashion armour to the same extent men did.
Except for the second larger paragraph that said women wouldn't wear boob armor.
No, I said that people wore muscle cuirasses in Greek and Roman times because it wasn't significantly less effective than normal armour of the time, but people did not wear muscle plate armour in the renaissance because the exact shape and surface of plate armour IS important for it to be effective and changing it for fashion would make it significantly worse.
So, ancient muscle cuirasses aren't a good argument as to why women would have worn boobplate. It is a good argument for why Xena could have worn a boob cuirass, but it wouldn't work for Johan of Arc. It is a very simple argument to follow.
I'm not even saying that miniatures or art shouldn't have boobplate or that boobplate is entirely out of the realm of realism, but I am saying that muscle armour isn't a relevant argument since it comes from a very different period than plate armour, and one where the relationship between form and function in armour technology were very different.
Not that I expect you'll understand this post, since you've already proved that you're either a troll, arguing in bad faith, or too stupid to understand a paragraph of text.
>boob plate bad
Okay. You're still wrong.
The torso and shoulders are too large is my point
>We do have the same upper body look in armour
No, we really don't.
A woman cannot move more than a kilometer if wearing an armor made for a male 20cmm taller.
She can't sword for shit anyway.
But worry not there were MANY women following medieval armies. That was one of the point of their frequent "wars".
But what if it was armor for a male 20cm shorter?
There are averages and there are outliers. The outliers of the bellow average group can match or surpass the mean of the above average group. Just mathematically less often.
I know plenty of women who could do all that. At the same time I know a lot more men who could do the same, and whole lot more women who can't.
> I'm completely fine with women
Why? Why are you fine with this?
I fail to see what's wrong with them.
Are you lads just never satisfied?
Wow, they are bringing back the classic kits too, and holy shid. They look good but whoever painted them all the same color is an absolute homosexual.
The new stuff looks like absolute dog shit compared to the classic kits. How did they manage to fail so hard? And did they intentionally paint the old kids poorly so the new dog shit would look decent in comparison?
>They look good
Yes.
Basically the current sculptors suffer the problem of mad scientists - they were so focused on if they could do something they never asked themselves if they should.
The detailing on models is good, even poses are alright for a rank and file unit but they all would benefit from having like half the knick-knacks they have. Or less. To make them less busy.
>half the knick-knacks they have. Or less. To make them less busy.
If GW did that you'd be shitting on them by saying
>haha look GW has existed since forever and these simple ass models are the best they can do!!!
I actually love this about the painfully slow eldar range refresh. They keep the extra dodads to a minimum, feels like the classic aspect warriors just with better poses. And without the finecrap.
It's because they make 3d models that get made into game pieces rather than making game pieces like the older miniature sculptors do.
Those aren't exactly the greatest kits from the time anon. Quite basic and limited, but there we go. They were very likely painted in the same scheme as as not to daunt new people getting into the hobby. It is obviously quicker that way and the old world seems behind schedule, so there's that too. No rules on how you paint warhammer anon.
To be honest it seems like anything short of a re-release of 6th edition is going to mortally offend some players who more than likely won't buy any models anyway.
>They were very likely painted in the same scheme as as not to daunt new people getting into the hobby.
IIRC they actually came straight out and said this in one of their blogposts. I think their lore justification for having all the knights painted in the same colour and heraldry is that sometimes dukes get particularly anal about wanting everyone to know who's in charge.
proving once and for all that the Perry twins were always right.
and Juan Diaz
It was really the perfect amount of detail.
3/5 of those helmets look like absolute fricking dogshit, literally RuneScape tier armor design
Are we sure it's definitely a woman?
It's a Monty Python gag that a good number of the knights in Bretonnia are women pretending to be men.
is that a woman leading those Bretonnians?
A standard bearer doesn't lead a unit.
GW has literally never made a Bretonnian woman knight model before now, so I don't see why they would suddenly change their minds. It's just a beardless boy.
>I don't see why they would suddenly change their minds.
Ah yes the schizo persecution complex.
>I don't see why they would suddenly change their minds.
Anon...
Bretonnia did have armored woman on horseback, lore-wise still technically not a knight.
>lore-wise still technically not a knight.
Learn your lore. King Louis the Young made her both a knight *and* a duchess after she slew the Chaos lord Kharan the Blighted in single combat.
Bretonnian ladyknights are therefore canon. Cope.
Pretty sure the model is campaigning peasant girl Repanse, knighted Repanse has no model.
Any """lore""" that says women can be knights isn't canon, no matter who wrote it. Cope.
Seething. Farding. Shidding.
yes! 'tis merely a beardless boy! a modest boy who keeps mostly to himself! nary one to wash with his fellows but is modest and retires to the privacy of his own tent!
Well they made them now.
No they didn't. The new models are Bretonions they are Abominations
Wll Anon. You asked for them. You couldn't shut your mouth for a decade and now you have what you wanted
Woke ESG scores bro, frick Blackrock
>IT'S DA EE ESS GEEEEEE
Yes
kys fake grog /vg/ Black person. Repanse was a true knight.
It's a young squire.
Damn, that's some of the worst cloth in miniature I think I've ever seen.
I dig this one
I will admit that is a clear improvement over the original damsel mini. Though the paintjob doesn't help; the white cloth should be wet/semi-transparent like the OG studio model was. But that's something easily done by the end user, and the sculpt itself is good.
>a clear improvement over the original damsel mini
Man, the Damsel minis have always been solid
Come to think of it, I've never seen liquid miniatures in my life.
>walk into FLGS with my bucket of orcs
>chat up a new guy and get a pickup game started.
>"I brought my orc army, how about 2k points?"
>he begins pulling his pristine white tau army from his new GW stalactite cases.
>he finishes pulling out his minis and aligns them on his end of the table.
>"mech boy, eh? Personally, I like the green tide."
>I tip the bucket over, allowing green ink to pour onto the table, coating the bases and feet of his minis with a neon green stain.
>"does that look like 2k points to you?"
>I am once again thrown out by the owner, yelling about how I'm not allowed to stain the tables
>I think he's just a shill that's pissed I don't use official GW minis.
>Bring my gaseous Nurgle Demons
>Opponent resigns on the first turn
>Again
Only problem is I need to buy another load of beans and garlic between each game
ahahaha
this was literally me from 14 to 24 years of age
theyd pieplate that shit all away anyways lmao
That's a really great paintjob
When you look at the dress and the cloak it's clear the painter is great
The face seems like it was painted in the early 2000s which I guess is cool, not my thing but it's not like I could do better
The Citadel paint style simply isn't compatible with female faces. There's no point in getting upset about it (and you weren't, anon); it's just never going to change until their painting guidelines do.
I thought it was on purpose to pander to nostalgia but you're probably right
I wish it didn't have the tactical flower and she was just on the ground
you can't just deflower a damsel
I'm sure as hell going to try.
>you can't just deflower a damsel
Ok, first off, through Slaanesh all things are possible, so write that down.
I can and I will
This was typed by beast of chaos hands
Can you blame them? Everyone wants a damsel.
No hymen no diamond
>not barefoot
If she wasn't dancing on a flower I'd agree
Why is there a manga rape vine going up her skirt?
Y__ J___ K___
the flower is completely unneeded. whg can't GW make a model on 2 feet any more?
Some of the heads are too busy but otherwise I like thrm
Heads are the good parts. The bodies look like mess, like they made them in the most moronic way just to look different.
its like they are all covered in 'French'
>mon dieu! Jaque eez wearing a bell on heez belt! Belt-bells eez moi trademark! Well I weel show heem. I weel not suffer thees outrage!
Why the frick are theu wearing bells on their belts? They must be annoying as frick in the middle of combat. Swinging all over the place and making homosexual ting-a-ling noises constantly.
Frick the unit, but i may pick up a box just for parts
they are wearing dolls on their heads.
The problem is the poses and the proportions
They go from looking clunky alone but cartoonish together
The kinds of details they have should be far smaller and finer
Elfaboos learn from the elfs.
Except those are special mage guys, not regular foot soldiers
Good thing these are knights and not regular foot soldiers
noun
1.
(in the Middle Ages) a man who served his sovereign or lord as a mounted soldier in armour
Not only are those guys soldiers, but they technically aren't even knights since they're infantry not cavalry
sometimes you fight in terrain unsuited to horses or have to lay siege to a castle, or defend its walls, so although they ideally fought from horseback they did not always
moron
That's why Brettonia has flying horses you fricking moron.
I'm not going to sit here and explain how feudalism works to you anon. I can't believe how you thought this was a good argument when you had to Google the definition of a knight
You just went full moron
In your crazy world does someone stop being a knight the moment they get off their horse? If they get dismounted mid combat are they also immediately demoted to footman?
>you lose your knighthood, your potentially inherited rank and cease being a member of your social class the second you dismount
Yeez, that's almost flamines levels of inconvenient taboos.
would be pretty neat for a tabletop campaign character though. dismount = disowned.
English knights did not mind fighting on foot.
Not a big fan of the poses, the older metals were better. The head pieces seem good though, so I might use some perry bits and mounted knight bits to make closed versions of the open helmets and just make the poses better suited for 20mm bases.
I will be sticking with my old metals unless someone releases an anime headsweap for that one
>unless someone releases an anime headsweap for that one
frickin' gay
Jesus frick anon that's good bait
Appropriate analogy. They compare to Lumineth like fat fedora weebs with dull swords compare to actual samurai.
Who did it better?
Is that ASOIAF from CMON? I like their shit, it's very good, but I never got into it just because no one would play it with me and it's definitely a money sink for me if I'm just buying them to paint.
they remind me of the card knights from Alice and wonderland
>pull out my color-glass condensate lumineth
>the entire store is smashed to quarks
I'm starting to see now why people hate playing against Lumineth.
>loomlooms
>not made of photonic molecules
One job
i would buy few boxes as my faba empire army foot knights but considering how much they will cost it would be just as same to go ebay and get real pewter ones
besides real ones would come with correct size bases
btw is it confirmed that the old world will force people to rebase their faba armies with those smaller base sizes i heard so much about maybe an year ago
You have to either rebase them(not hard, hell if you just superglue your 20mm base onto the new 25mm base you'll probably keep up with height creep) or you can use spacer trays to space out your minis
ohh right i forgot the base sizes were getting bigger not smaller because new models are not oneposes anymore and are impossible to rank, my bad i tend not to think around or about new models at all
>spacer trays
i bet every single 3D printing ebay/amazon salesman will have a busy half year when they release that game
They're already starting to print, plus Oathmark is apparently a 25mm game so there's already spacers for Oathmark.
so basically GW will start selling those movement trays the same day when TOW drops with 600% margin and then they start complaining how 3D printing is the bane of all existence because everyone already has them
smart business telling everyone year before how you are going to frick them up and playing the victim after
>start complaining how 3D printing is the bane of all existence because everyone already has them
Has GW even publicly acknowledged the existence of 3-d printing yet?
theyve been caught 3D printing already with layer lines in some photos of studio models
I don't know how that's surprising, anything that involves digitally modelling something is going to be printed before it's put into mass production nowadays.
I meant more a long the lines of 3-d printing pirated models, I know they released a statement about animations and other media produced off of warhammer settings
that was a fingerprint in the paint layer on that one image.
Why would they?
3d printing is not a threat to them like everyone thinks it is.
I have explained this a lot of times to people but ill do it again.
3d printing is not a big of threat as people think it is, if anything its cutting into recasters more. 3d printing in on itself is a hobby, that you cant just buy a printer, set it up and you are good to go, there is a bunch of little things you gotta learn how to do in order to get it going. With that said lets look at the people who do 3d prints, becuase they fall into 2 catagories
The pirate printer: This guy is printing full blown 3d models, and or reprints of existing models from GW, but here is the thing though, this is the same guy that was already never buying from GW in the first place, This is the guy that was buying recasts, dowloading his own books, basically a non GW customer as it was. So GW is not really loosing this person as a customer, if anything its taking customers away from recasters over in RU and china.
The bit printer: Again a person that GW is not at threat by because they are filling a niche that GW can not reasonably fill. Bit printers like PGTM are printing super specific niche bits that GW would never be able to make a mold for, and then turn a profit on. There are just not enough players in the world that would want left handed chain kopesh swords for GW to justify making the mold for it. Again not cutting into GW.
Now i think GW should lean into 3d printing for stuff, like have their store do on demand printing of things like terrain, and made to order bits that would be smart, but other then that, 3d printing is not cutting into them as deep as people think.
Not to completely disagree with you but I bought a 3D printer, set it up, and was printing proxies after watching a few YouTube videos and I’m a barely tech literate jock. It’s not that hard at all .
Aye, its not THAT hard, but remember, most people are very lazy, and most people wont go through the effort you went through.
Neither is painting but people will pay others hefty commissions just for better than average paintjobs
I bought an FDM printer, and after a youtube video and a couple prints trouble shooting, I'm now printing terrain nearly 24/7 for fractions of a penny on the dollar. It has completely elevated and enhanced my wargamming experience I can't believe I went so long without getting one.
I'm also currently sourcing out a resin printer. And yes, they are slightly more complicated and require more safety precautions, but every month a new model comes out that makes it that much more user friendly. And now I will be able to print sculpts from all sorts of rule sets for fractions of the cost of official models, allowing me to test out and play all sorts of things.
3D printers are the biggest innovation in wargamming, probably ever, and will and have completely changed the face of the hobby for good, and in 10 years, 3D printers will be as ubiquitous in the home as paper printers.
my brother just grabbed a resin printer after taking the fdm route too
he's fabricating shit for work now too
taught himself cad when he was unsatisfied slicing up pirated models
it really is a game changer, he prototypes game components for me too
we can bullshit about an idea and he'll no fooling, have it drafted and printed in 2-6 hours
the printer is a hobby in itself, he's always printing upgrades for the printer
i think i'm going to get into it too at this rate
I never understood why GW didnt just license out a recaster to do oldhammer sculpts. Theyd make free money just collecting a % of revenue and itd instantly put all the others out of business. Same for the bits printers, itd probably be in GW interests because it would stop bitsellers on ebay mass buying kits just to flog individual bits.
its already done
they are already making money.
GW, as usual, is dumb and didnt do this themselves. By the time TOW comes out they will have lost a pile of cash for slowness
I will be shocked if anyone alive doesnt just use spacer trays.
I kinda like the unified look and more ornate special units and heroes.
I played in 5E/6E era and opponents were constantly dissing my multi-colored force and saying they couldn't tell who was supposed to be a hero and which types of special knights were which.
The problem isn't that each of them look like overdesigned unit leaders. Bretonnian Knights have always been like that. The issue is that they're Bretonnian Knights on Foot. Infantry is a peasant's job. Nobles enter battle on the back of an honorable steed.
Maybe they all decided to follow the Virtue of Empathy. Which would be probably more interesting than making them run of the mill Knights of the Realm tbh, instead of normal knights sneering at peasantry and sending them to their death, you'd get the Noblesse Oblige bleeding hearts that decide to fight shoulder to shoulder with lowly infantrymen and get regarded as eccentric by their fellow bretonnian knights (and as true honorable heroes by peasants)
That wouldn't be Bretonnia anymore, and The Old World is an attempt to nostalgia wank not evolve the setting.
>That wouldn't be Bretonnia anymore
Virtue of Empathy begs to disagree
That hasn't been a thing in over 15 years.
>That hasn't been a thing in over 15 years.
It quite literally comes from the last army book ever published for Bretonnia, back in 2004. Exactly the kind of nostalgia wank GW would be trying to milk.
HAHAHAHA that's your cope???? eat shit
The old world hasn't been a thing in nearly a decade
and it's been 20 since the last WHFB publication anybody gives a frick about. what's your point?
Anon when how long ago do you think fantasy battles died?
3 years
exceptional bait
Bretonnia hasn't been a thing in over 15 years.
>its your new army!
>dont question it!
>preorder now!
>dont forget to pick up some paints for that new project!
CAD destroyed GW.
>another "I hate warhammer" spam thread
So the days of each knight having their own colour scheme are over?
>better sculpts at a fraction of the price
TOW has no chance lmao
I love these minis. I got a frickton of them. Their skellies are quite nice.
Their new Tomb Kings line looks excellent too
they look like Dwarves
Your mom looks like a dwarf
well your mom is probably a nice woman and you should call her more
Do they actually sell plastic models or are they only STLs?
Only STLs, but they license certain sellers to print and sell physical models, i think.
I am almost certain these were based off of and are potentially still meant to be used with whatever the supposed grail knight faction was in AoS
Oh?
Heh, no thanks.
they'd make good Mordheim models (dont steal my idea)
Basically no diversity at all 0/10
They have a girlboss in charge so it's actually very diverse
She's not black so it doesn't count as diversity.
lorelets her strawmanning hard. As if women pretending to be knights and bretonnian men being too stupid to notice hasn't been part of their lore since day one
This thread is hilarious to me. Grogs spent years clamoring for WHFB, saying how it's so much better (it wasn't and anyone with half a brain can check any time for themselves, since the rules are all easily available online), and now that it's happening, all they can do is come up with excuses and whine "it wasn't like that!".
and are these 'grogs' in the room with you right now?
The old world will be good
This can't be a woman, GW women look like raging trannies off their hormones. This one is too feminine. Must be a man with soft features.
Cope. You will have your strong women memetonian army and you will like it
I won't, because I wouldn't be caught dead collect french-inspired trash. Hell, women are too manly to represent frenchmen as it is.
Bretonnia was a mistake in OG warhammer and continues to be so in Old Wolrd
female knights? lmao
Yeah? Jeanne d'Arc lol
Jeanne is cool but she was neither a knight nor a soldier.
vgh, soulless...
It looks worse. Amazing.
Is it just me or are they hunched forward really awkwardly?
They're marching into combat, not bracing for impact like a peasant.
It looks more like they're lurching into combat. Normally you march with a straight back.
>WS4 S3/T3 1A I3, 4+ save (3+ depending if they do Hand Weapon + Shield being another +1 to save)
Honestly, kinda trash. The great weapon version is better but still just discount greatswords, presumably without stubborn and with only heavy armor instead of full plate.
Well yeah, they're there in part to have a far sturdier battleline and boost peasant morale more than actually delivering a punch. That's what the lances are for.
It's going to depend on price. They're empire swordsmen with heavy armor instead of light and probably +1Ld, so hopefully in the 8-9 ppm range.
>Women
Yeah, i'd rather buy historical minatures then
Eight years to start an army of perry's anon.
It's literally not a woman.
It litrrally is lol
I thought it was just a boy (squire) walking with the knights and doing the relic holding?
Knights but on foot.
Glad we sorted that out.
I'm going to make my entire Bret army female and you can't stop me.
Why would you use those heads and not heads which actually look feminine and attractive?
Just put closed helm heads and say they are all attractive women. easy
That's that Pratchett story where the joke is all the soldiers are women pretending to be men.
It's well established in Bretonnian lore that enough noble women pretend to be men to become knights. So I'm assuming that's what's going on here
>It's well established
the only place that's ever been mentioned is one throwaway line in an RPG of dubious canonicity because of who made it
I have no horse in this race but calling anything from the RPG well established is a fricking stretch.
Fair enough
You've already been shown how wrong you are but don't worry, you're also wrong for another reason.
>pretending
When it's plainly fricking obvious that she's a (GW) woman. The Life of Brian stoning scene does a better job of illustrating that lore than this.
It is.
Like the one thing Warhammer had over Black person cattle gay properties like DnD and WoW is they actually tried to make the base setting immersive: human armies that (usually) cared about logistics and ergonomics.
Now it's suffering the fate of any game that used to try to be immersive: add women under the guise of appeasing the women and culture gays (neither of whom play) in a bid to appease the coomers.
Nu-Kislev fricking sucks. The ass ugly Ice Guard were bad enough but now the mixed-gender Akshinas with better stats than most male infantry in the game. Cathay is utterly FUBAR with more than half of their army being kpop girls.
Funniest thing: women knights, elite body guards, elite infantry? Absolutely! But uh, the Bretonnian and Cathayan peasant chaff whose only job is to die? Only men, please. They're expendable.
So much for a return to the traditional Old World; trying to gay it up at every turn. I don't even base any criticism on hatred of women; no one minded female elf warriors or female wizards or whatever the frick. It's all about immersion, pretending these 95 pound ladies aren't going to be tired and begging for the men to carry their gear 2 hours into a march. Say ANYTHING the troony homosexuals will deflect to the undefeatable muh sexism trump card. Redditors who care about the image of being a nerd instead of actually being one ruin another Fantasy world. Shocking, I know.
>Cathay is utterly FUBAR with more than half of their army being kpop girls
It's okay I'll personally fund it so it becomes 100% kpop starlets.
Zoomer brain needs porn in every facet of his life.
Just overdose on heroin and be done with it.
Moan some more.
>Just overdose on heroin and be done with
It's fentanyl now, boomer
It is pointed out in the lore that a good amount of Bretonnian women pretend to be male to become knights, That's probably what's going on here
Yes I'm sure they'll dig up whatever 30-year-old throwaway paragraph to justify it. Now explain why half of Kislev and Cathayan troops are women.
I'm sure all the knights are really fooled by the GI Jane in their ranks when she needs help getting on her horse or can't split a log making camp.
I'm sure the 6'8" Norscan who clobbered her to the floor will respect her stride for equality and not go any further.
I didn't know the Bretonnian source book for 2nd edition roleplay was an obscure throwaway thing.
>Warhammer roleplay
>an obscure throwaway thing
Yes.
Indeed, doesn't the cultural chauvinism of the Brettonians ironically mean that any woman in Knightly plate can just say 'no I am a guy' and that's good enough, because EVERYONE knows that a Woman can't be a knight, and a Knight is to be taken at his word?
Kislev: They have a long tradition of it, because they know that the forces of Chaos aren't going to respect terms like 'non-combatant' and 'civilians' when they ride south, so everyone of every age and sex needs to be ready to fight and die to hold the line against the darkness.
Cathay, I have no idea; they had next to no lore until very recently.
The occasional tzarina or traditional ice witches isn't exactly half the army being chicks, moron. Warhammer babes were rare exceptions, and usually magical
The kislev design that CA came up with is basically all male. Only female units are the ice court and the skirmisher cav.
That same source also points out that the women have to hide the fact that they're women because female knights are forbidden, so they're not going to be swanning around with their face uncovered.
What happens when every unit has a woman who disguised herself as a man to become a knight, or several?
that'd make for a monstrous regiment
Eh. What's happening is current year. Anything else is post-hoc.
I was mad that the Chaos Dwarfs didn’t get a rework when they got their dlc for Warhammer III TW, but it didn’t take long before I realized the bullet that had been dodged, and I am no grateful that their basically just old school Big Hat Chorfs and the FW Slayer Cult in armor. It’s bad enough that the Lammasu is a lion now and not a bull, but I’ll fricking take it over nu-age slop
>heya
>It's all about immersion, pretending these 95 pound ladies aren't going to be tired and begging for the men to carry their gear 2 hours into a march.
Pretending men could possibly beat any of the shit they face in any fantasy setting is just as laughable. Your appeals to realism are highly inconsistent.
>Say ANYTHING the troony homosexuals will deflect to the undefeatable muh sexism trump card.
That's because it's extremely easy to see the double standard here. Men get to be magical heroes and do whatever impossible shit they want. Women get the """""""realism"""""" argument and apparently aren't allowed to do anything.
Do whatever the frick you want, just spare us all the condescending "I'm a real nerd because I think women should suck in fantasy" line.
el abominio
Go ahead and waste your money. We won't stop you. The comedian is giving out the comedy for free.
Genuinely the only good looking sets they've announced in years. They're a bit busy, but they're clearly influenced by old school minis but adopting the best parts of new minis being dynamic poses.
I think they look pretty good
idk why they're releasing bret models instead of a faction that people actually like.
Even in total war no one plays them.
>WHFB is getting rebooted with a new lineup of models
Neat. More options to play Kings of War with.
Will Grand Cathay make it into TOW before the other npc factions?
They scraped them when they scaled down the project
I always figured that getting new Cathay and Kislev armies was always going to be dependent on how well the initial offerings sell. Two brand-new army ranges is a huge investment even for something like 40k or AoS, never mind the re-release of a game that was axed for not selling well enough in the first place.
what the frick in an 'npc faction'
Anyone not on this list.
Skaven have fully retreated from the surface to fight their civil war.
Vampires are hiding after losing the Vampire Wars.
Daemons cannot manifest because Chaos is too weak.
Ogres, Dark Elves, Lizardmen and Chaos Dwarfs are too insular to fit in the narrative.
I don't give a frick about the narrative I just want some goddamn model updates.
Just buy models from someone that isn't GW then.
I have, but 3rd party sellers don't have good equivalents for everything.
I don't see why lizardmen aren't on the list. They have an active line in AOS that just recently got a big update.
That's probably part of the reason. Their models are still fresh and usable. Most of the armies on that list don't have active models lines that work well from AoS. That's the pattern I interpreted anyway. Of course, orcs and goblins and warriors of chaos kind of throw a wrench in that idea.
Because it's an AoS line, not a Fantasy line.
they mostly live on another continent on the other side of the world, separated from the Empire and the rest of the Old World (the name of the game itself), by a really big ocean.
isn't TOW supposed to take place a couple hundred years or so prior to the "current" timespan that was WHFB?
WFB always hated lizardmen because they were stapled to it from a different setting that was made before warhammer was created. AoS is the 1st time setting actually is ment to include them
>source: my ass
> dark elves too insular
> yet High Elves are here
> even though there is a fricking invasion of Ulthuan going on
Yeah ok... quit trying to justify the marketing decisions with le EPIC DEEP fantasy 'lore.'
The factions not selectable in the selection menu of the computer games.
Well I hope it's gonna be just Empire in asian dressing and with kirin instead of gryphons, if I see any Total War nonsense I'll call the police
Anon both studios are working from the same set of concept art for the same set of units, and everything that CA put into their game had to be approved by GW first. If you think GW's plastic range (if it ever happens) is going to be significantly different to the in-game models then I've got some bad news for you.
>first full appearance
except for the full army in White Dwarf I guess.
They appear to be models, sir.
Those can't be models, where are their eating disorders?
>300 posts of rage when you can stick a different head on the bannerman and there are no more female knights in your unit
Just the group's young femboy squire. He needs more "pole handling" training.
I'm surprised it took this long for the joke to get made
Gw needs to learn that it's not enough to put a 'female' head onto a sprue and call it a day
You're right, they should put it on a runner not a sprue.
Not great but not the worst miniatures I've seen. Passable if you don't have a preexisting army, don't have access to a 3d printer, or can't drop the cash on a good printer and a few sets of stl files. The color scheme idea is interesting. I had never considered ducal regiments as an army concept for the Bretonnians. Having 2-4 smaller 1000-1500 point ducal regiments as part of a larger army. If I didn't already have three sizable armies from years ago, I might have been tempted by this reveal.
Did you know that france won the 100 years war extremely decisively and that the handful of british victories were ultimately irrelevant?