In the last game I played, Godzilla and Optimus Prime nutted inside some blonde girl from Doctor Who while Gandalf and Gandalf got all Ian McKellan with each other.
I don't know about the state of the game from a mechanics point of view, but from a fanfic generating device it's pretty much on par with sniffing glue.
What is your current opinion on the state of this tabletop game?
As other anons said, it's still and ok game with friends and a somewhat stable pool of decks. If your group manages to keep out the new things and the powercreep deckbuilding arms race, is still fun in most formats. I never play with randos.
The rot became truly clear for all to see in 2020, but looking back, Tarkir was probably the last block that was more positive than negative.
The game is dead to me, and seeing its corpse being dressed up in various crossover costumes and used to smash action figures together in commander is insulting, because for those things to exist meant the death of what I liked.
>I didn't even dislike EDH, but it was a format sustained by noninterference. The moment they started designing cards for EDH was a bad choice, when they made it an official format that was actively detrimental, and once they started making new rules for it / creating cards that reference commandership and such, it was dead.
I'm actually gonna say that the troony was a perfectly designed card. The suicide reference in the name, the fact that it functions by throwing other people under the bus as a mechanic, and the art obviously depicting a a rabid political shpiel that has no basis in sound or logical thinking, only double standards, in a Mardu card?
Why the frick is that card even considered a troony card?
If I remember correctly in lore Mardu named kids after ancestors that were good at killing shit and that's it
Nah, its a dude who picks his granny's name because he wants to think he's a girl. Everyone goes along with it because he kills enough people that they don't want to fight him about it.
The irony of the story being about people saying a dude is a girl because he's a violent psychopath is lost on a lot of mtg fans.
EDH is a format that's fun to play despite the mechanical issues with MtG in and of itself. The setting was never very inspired and except for the beginning, and with rare exceptions, the art, while showing technical skill and being structurally well crafted, is dispassionate and muddied.
The lore and aesthetic of Magic is not the same anymore. I always loved the art on the cards, it was generic high fantasy with dragons and wizards but it also tries out new things to be seperated from DnD or other tabletop in fantasy worlds like the slivers who feel like out of a futuristic space adventure. I could look for hours at the old Pacifist card from Mirage with the horned guy, making a weird face, surrounded by forest animals and wearing a flowercrown then the new one that is just a giant knitting a new shirt while feeling being watched. Go look at the Artbook for the Rath Cycle, the art and aesthetic of this game was at it's peak. But now you can see that WotC is unable to make anything unique and new but have to rely on pop culture or what other games do or what players feel comportable to see without offending them (it's no big secret that the Bolas arc was just simply a Marvel movie story rather then a Magic story).
Now they need a detective set or a wild west set to keep money cause they are to afraid to make anything unique to lose customers cause they thing people love pop culture references so it makes money, or it's Hasbro, Idk who to blame the most. They can't even make good villains anymore, they are mostly in one set where they get quickly killed off without any longer arc for them. The wild west villains set wont be much villainous and it wont have great villains in the level of Yawgmoth or Volrath anyway.
I would blame Hasbro for caring only for money then quality. Magic doesn't need to be that mainstream, it was a game that was around and you may have heard of or seen in stores but that's it. It was somewhere between niche and popular in the tabletop world but not a big media boom. If WotC stood independent and the game never became owned by Hasbro, who knows how it would have look like today. But it's also people who changed trough generation and they become too soft and oversensitive.
Yep. The cutoff point for me is when the modern borders started with ... 8th? I played through it at the time, didn't end up completely quitting until 2016 though. It's been going downhill since modern started. And since the old cards are not readily accessible in stores (you can always buy singles I guess) IMO, proxy a draft set, or play on Forge with the good sets.
I miss the good old days. I don't like the people who work at and run the company, and it's too expensive. I still buy some because my wife likes to crack packs but I'd rather buy collections off Facebook marketplace.
I miss when the novels were cool and not teenage lesbian level writing. Old Phyrexian were scary, but I did kind of enjoy the recent examples and brothers war sets. The overt racism stuff makes it hard to enjoy or look forward to anything, because I know what color of people kept those cards printing though the 90s and up to maybe the late 2000s...white and Asian dudes. And I don't really feel welcome anymore, in content or age level. Feels like it's geared towards 22 year old girls now... arena is easy to play, but I HATE the focus on commander now. Standard 60 card tabletop will always rule.
I wouldn't know, I checked out back in sixth edition when the nerds down at the not so FLGS gleefully informed me the upcoming new set would ban all the old cards from official events
Looking back I was bullied a lot as a kid but I was too dumb to recognize it
>pre-8ED
Ye olde mtg. Neat but archaic. Confusing at times. Some of the sickest artwork and best flavor, but needed polish overall. >8ED-M10
The last good sets. M10 was peak magic, mixing in classics but retuning the balance and flavor. >M11-M14
The decline. Some good stuff here, but the rot is beginning to show. >M15 and on
The living dead. Contains nothing of its original spirit. No soul, just a homosexual mess. Over-designed but uninspired. Like something that's been digested, regurgitated, and sprayed with a glossy finish. I think at some point between M15 and now, things went turbogay, but I don't know where that line is since I've never dared to look for it.
I knew nothing about magic until the Fallout announcement and I'm gonna purchase the Caesar commander deck because one of my friends plays commander with a group semi-regularly. I will most likely never engage with mtg monetarily beyond this point.
Am I part of the problem?
Not really, you're just the new public for Mtg
The worst people are the ones who keep hoping the game will go back to its roots but also keep throwing money at a game they no longer love
No. You're exactly the type of person Hasisraelite has been marketing towards the past six years, but you did nothing wrong and it's not your fault. Magic's "old guard" has been bleeding for the past 15 years and Hasjew, interested only in selling slop and making a quick buck, has been catering to the MCU-esque conssomer crowd by releasing all these ass crossovers so that fans of those respective IPs will gobble it up. They don't care about selling to actual players anymore; they target other fanbases knowing they'll throw hundreds of dollars at WotC because the packaging has Optimus Prime and Rick Grimes on the front.
FunkoPop tier goyslop that's bleeding players and Hasbro pays influencers and celebrities to play the game to artificially inflate its popularity and releases crossover garbage to appeal to the TikTok generation. Nobody except a small handful of dedicated fans plays the game because they genuinely enjoy it. 90% of today's "players" get into the game for a few months because Post Malone and Aragorn the Black told them to. These people spend just enough in those few months to keep Hasbro's breathing apparatus functioning.
They have post malone shilling for it, so yeah pretty much dead.
Since watzy stopped doing 3 expac blocs the tone, lore, setting and aesthetic is completely fricked up, since planewalkers and F.I.R.E design the gameplay is completely imbalanced and unfun, since the move to digital and the focus on edh competitive and pro magic is completely dead.
When I was a kid my everyone at the lgs was playing the format of the next tournament now there's a draft table with luck and computers with fortnite loaded up.
I make my own cards, and I'm currently making my own card game from scratch.
That's what I think about that game.
It's fine as kitchen sink between friends with the power level being "equal"
It's not when playing in lgs with "meta", "netdecking", "formats", and the all the recent shit your dear WotC wienerpuppet has been shitting out.
I'm a newish player. Friends bought me a starter commander deck. It was fun for a while but they only seem to play insane optimized decks. >friend: when this guy dies he creates a bunch of tokens with death touch life link and flying >me: uhhh I got a cool looking 2/2 on the ground
I'd like to think I could find a more even game at the local card shop, but I think it'll be more of the same.
I just made a few cubes from my 2002-2009 cards and play it with friends who haven't heard much about the game before. Still fun, although getting old bulk commons is basically impossible these days unless you buy them as singles for rip-off prices. Time to invest in a printer, perhaps.
In the last game I played, Godzilla and Optimus Prime nutted inside some blonde girl from Doctor Who while Gandalf and Gandalf got all Ian McKellan with each other.
I don't know about the state of the game from a mechanics point of view, but from a fanfic generating device it's pretty much on par with sniffing glue.
kek. Sad but true.
As other anons said, it's still and ok game with friends and a somewhat stable pool of decks. If your group manages to keep out the new things and the powercreep deckbuilding arms race, is still fun in most formats. I never play with randos.
It was better when it was Generic Fantasy: the card game.
The rot became truly clear for all to see in 2020, but looking back, Tarkir was probably the last block that was more positive than negative.
The game is dead to me, and seeing its corpse being dressed up in various crossover costumes and used to smash action figures together in commander is insulting, because for those things to exist meant the death of what I liked.
>I didn't even dislike EDH, but it was a format sustained by noninterference. The moment they started designing cards for EDH was a bad choice, when they made it an official format that was actively detrimental, and once they started making new rules for it / creating cards that reference commandership and such, it was dead.
its doing better than ever and only morons with no friends on Ganker think otherwise
Whenever they added the troony shit.
>consoomer simping for JotC
lul
I'm actually gonna say that the troony was a perfectly designed card. The suicide reference in the name, the fact that it functions by throwing other people under the bus as a mechanic, and the art obviously depicting a a rabid political shpiel that has no basis in sound or logical thinking, only double standards, in a Mardu card?
No notes from me.
Why the frick is that card even considered a troony card?
If I remember correctly in lore Mardu named kids after ancestors that were good at killing shit and that's it
Nah, its a dude who picks his granny's name because he wants to think he's a girl. Everyone goes along with it because he kills enough people that they don't want to fight him about it.
The irony of the story being about people saying a dude is a girl because he's a violent psychopath is lost on a lot of mtg fans.
it got retconned and now its a confirmed transexual
>proof
the card was featured in the lbtqiaa+-*/= secret lair
go to sleep rosewater, you're drunk.
It's been gradually getting worse and worse since 8th came out, but recent years in particular. Just play it as a videogame.
Couldn't have said it better myself
What can I say, I pasted the post into the box for the wrong thread and had to delete it here and repost it in /osrg/ . I fricked up.
it's good fun with a tight group of friends
playing with randos is asscancer
EDH is a format that's fun to play despite the mechanical issues with MtG in and of itself. The setting was never very inspired and except for the beginning, and with rare exceptions, the art, while showing technical skill and being structurally well crafted, is dispassionate and muddied.
The lore and aesthetic of Magic is not the same anymore. I always loved the art on the cards, it was generic high fantasy with dragons and wizards but it also tries out new things to be seperated from DnD or other tabletop in fantasy worlds like the slivers who feel like out of a futuristic space adventure. I could look for hours at the old Pacifist card from Mirage with the horned guy, making a weird face, surrounded by forest animals and wearing a flowercrown then the new one that is just a giant knitting a new shirt while feeling being watched. Go look at the Artbook for the Rath Cycle, the art and aesthetic of this game was at it's peak. But now you can see that WotC is unable to make anything unique and new but have to rely on pop culture or what other games do or what players feel comportable to see without offending them (it's no big secret that the Bolas arc was just simply a Marvel movie story rather then a Magic story).
Now they need a detective set or a wild west set to keep money cause they are to afraid to make anything unique to lose customers cause they thing people love pop culture references so it makes money, or it's Hasbro, Idk who to blame the most. They can't even make good villains anymore, they are mostly in one set where they get quickly killed off without any longer arc for them. The wild west villains set wont be much villainous and it wont have great villains in the level of Yawgmoth or Volrath anyway.
I would blame Hasbro for caring only for money then quality. Magic doesn't need to be that mainstream, it was a game that was around and you may have heard of or seen in stores but that's it. It was somewhere between niche and popular in the tabletop world but not a big media boom. If WotC stood independent and the game never became owned by Hasbro, who knows how it would have look like today. But it's also people who changed trough generation and they become too soft and oversensitive.
Yep. The cutoff point for me is when the modern borders started with ... 8th? I played through it at the time, didn't end up completely quitting until 2016 though. It's been going downhill since modern started. And since the old cards are not readily accessible in stores (you can always buy singles I guess) IMO, proxy a draft set, or play on Forge with the good sets.
We should have destroyed WoTC, every man, woman and child, many years ago.
I have 5 Pauper EDH decks for each color, and have essentially quit the game from there.
>the edh general says the game is better than ever
>the mtg general says the game is in its worst place since
idk who to believe
As someone who's been playing since 4th edition, I love that creatures aren't shit anymore. Some of the other changes I find less agreeable
I miss the good old days. I don't like the people who work at and run the company, and it's too expensive. I still buy some because my wife likes to crack packs but I'd rather buy collections off Facebook marketplace.
I miss when the novels were cool and not teenage lesbian level writing. Old Phyrexian were scary, but I did kind of enjoy the recent examples and brothers war sets. The overt racism stuff makes it hard to enjoy or look forward to anything, because I know what color of people kept those cards printing though the 90s and up to maybe the late 2000s...white and Asian dudes. And I don't really feel welcome anymore, in content or age level. Feels like it's geared towards 22 year old girls now... arena is easy to play, but I HATE the focus on commander now. Standard 60 card tabletop will always rule.
I wouldn't know, I checked out back in sixth edition when the nerds down at the not so FLGS gleefully informed me the upcoming new set would ban all the old cards from official events
Looking back I was bullied a lot as a kid but I was too dumb to recognize it
How are you doing now?
There are no words to describe the sheer unrelenting horror of modern life as an adult in our time
I'm one of the lucky ones
That's a good attitude. We're gonna be alright.
unplayable, even for 500 dollar standard deck paypigs
>pre-8ED
Ye olde mtg. Neat but archaic. Confusing at times. Some of the sickest artwork and best flavor, but needed polish overall.
>8ED-M10
The last good sets. M10 was peak magic, mixing in classics but retuning the balance and flavor.
>M11-M14
The decline. Some good stuff here, but the rot is beginning to show.
>M15 and on
The living dead. Contains nothing of its original spirit. No soul, just a homosexual mess. Over-designed but uninspired. Like something that's been digested, regurgitated, and sprayed with a glossy finish. I think at some point between M15 and now, things went turbogay, but I don't know where that line is since I've never dared to look for it.
I knew nothing about magic until the Fallout announcement and I'm gonna purchase the Caesar commander deck because one of my friends plays commander with a group semi-regularly. I will most likely never engage with mtg monetarily beyond this point.
Am I part of the problem?
Not really, you're just the new public for Mtg
The worst people are the ones who keep hoping the game will go back to its roots but also keep throwing money at a game they no longer love
>Buy 1 deck, don't optimize it, and play it with your friends
Actually you're the person that Magic was originally meant for.
No. You're exactly the type of person Hasisraelite has been marketing towards the past six years, but you did nothing wrong and it's not your fault. Magic's "old guard" has been bleeding for the past 15 years and Hasjew, interested only in selling slop and making a quick buck, has been catering to the MCU-esque conssomer crowd by releasing all these ass crossovers so that fans of those respective IPs will gobble it up. They don't care about selling to actual players anymore; they target other fanbases knowing they'll throw hundreds of dollars at WotC because the packaging has Optimus Prime and Rick Grimes on the front.
Magic is fricking dead to me. Only people who play it are metally ill "influencers" who got paid to do so.
Hasisraelite will tell us in a few hours how close they are to being dead, grab popcorn
ITS TRUE HASisraelite IS DEAD HAHAHAHAHAAH
FunkoPop tier goyslop that's bleeding players and Hasbro pays influencers and celebrities to play the game to artificially inflate its popularity and releases crossover garbage to appeal to the TikTok generation. Nobody except a small handful of dedicated fans plays the game because they genuinely enjoy it. 90% of today's "players" get into the game for a few months because Post Malone and Aragorn the Black told them to. These people spend just enough in those few months to keep Hasbro's breathing apparatus functioning.
They have post malone shilling for it, so yeah pretty much dead.
Since watzy stopped doing 3 expac blocs the tone, lore, setting and aesthetic is completely fricked up, since planewalkers and F.I.R.E design the gameplay is completely imbalanced and unfun, since the move to digital and the focus on edh competitive and pro magic is completely dead.
When I was a kid my everyone at the lgs was playing the format of the next tournament now there's a draft table with luck and computers with fortnite loaded up.
I make my own cards, and I'm currently making my own card game from scratch.
That's what I think about that game.
It's fine as kitchen sink between friends with the power level being "equal"
It's not when playing in lgs with "meta", "netdecking", "formats", and the all the recent shit your dear WotC wienerpuppet has been shitting out.
I'm a newish player. Friends bought me a starter commander deck. It was fun for a while but they only seem to play insane optimized decks.
>friend: when this guy dies he creates a bunch of tokens with death touch life link and flying
>me: uhhh I got a cool looking 2/2 on the ground
I'd like to think I could find a more even game at the local card shop, but I think it'll be more of the same.
dont get invested in this game anon its 100% not worth it
I just made a few cubes from my 2002-2009 cards and play it with friends who haven't heard much about the game before. Still fun, although getting old bulk commons is basically impossible these days unless you buy them as singles for rip-off prices. Time to invest in a printer, perhaps.
Game mechanics are broken. If not played with chill friends in reduced formats, it's an autism mine.