What level of freakshit is too much for you? Is there a thing such as being too freakshit but also not too freakshit? Safe Freakshit as you will?
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What level of freakshit is too much for you? Is there a thing such as being too freakshit but also not too freakshit?
Chewbacca rule - one non-human is tolerable.
What about two droids (one anthro, one not)?
Equipment doesn't count.
This. Even though nuwars drops the ball by having all the protags be unapologetic droids-rights advocates, the orignal trilogy's group dynamic worked well because the main characters could care about the droids, but at the end of the day every organic in the setting was in agreement that droids needed regular memory wipes.
The droids are meant to be a Greek chorus, just like the characters from Hidden Fortress they were inspired by.
True, but I'm talking about the way they're perceived by the other characters, not the audience.
These are not the the freakshit you are looking for.
I have never understood, as a GM, the idea of 'freakshit'. When I run a campaign I, before the campaign starts, hand out a document with a list of races in the setting.
If I did not approve of the PCs playing one of these races why would I have put them in the document? Do other GMs just say 'have at it' and let people bring literally anything to the table and only resolve it after the campaign has started?
>Forced meme is forced
More news at 11!
sounds like something a fat DM would do
Sounds like something a shitter'd type.
"Freakshit" is, like so many terms we use in the increasingly embarrassing nightmare of our existence, an entirely meaningless buzzword that refers to whatever the users wants to be mad about, so that they can assure themselves that their game of makebelieve is the more "correct" one, thus validating their selfworth.
This is a po-mo post. When it comes to taste in tabletop games, /tg/ is at the top of it. Which is why even youtube and reddit are starting to agree with the human male fighter meme.
You watching neckbeardia's gay little video get 50k views does not mean the autistic "human fight only" bullshit is becoming more prevalent. You homosexuals are more insufferable than any freakshit player I've ever witnessed.
this video has 600k views
Do not tell the HMFgays that it is actually a half-elf doing this.
>45 second video of a game fricking no one played
lol.
>a game no one played
Every day I wake up happy knowing at least I’m not as stupid as anons like this one
Damn, even an inferior version of a human can do that.
>entirely meaningless
it means that parties entirely composed of uncommon races and monsters (and acting like they're nothing special) are cringe, simple as.
the idea of "snowflake" characters is already old enough, this is just that but mixed with the idea that traditional ideas are le bad and need to be subverted, which is why orcs can't be evil anymore either.
>it means that parties entirely composed of uncommon races and monsters (and acting like they're nothing special) are cringe
this is the first time someone give this meaning
> muh traditional ideas are le bad
no one says that and what you are pushing isn't even traditional
weird races are part of the game since it's origins
>need to be subverted
how is people choosing to play non-tolkien races subversive ?
you seem just buthurt that fantasy isn't just Tolkien copycats
>this is the first time someone give this meaning
you shouldn't need someone to spell it out for you, people have been complaining about it and associating it with the term for years now.
>no one says that
they don't need to spell this out either, it's fairly obvious if you look at the state at modern RPGs and D&D in particular. have you missed out on how orcs aren't evil anymore and how races can't even have stats or height associated with them anymore?
>weird races are part of the game since it's origins
>how is people choosing to play non-tolkien races subversive
it's their logical intent, at least.
>what if goblins but quirky and cute?
>what if orcs, but misunderstood?
>what if heroic human heroes, but actually they're oppressors of non-human races?
yeah, non-human races have always been a thing but if you're pretending there hasn't been a huge cultural push in favor monster races over the years then you're straight up a liar.
>you seem just buthurt that fantasy isn't just Tolkien copycats
why? because I don't like freakshit? you're acting like you don't care but you seem eager to jump into the argument that "well subversion is actually a good thing, so I think freakshit it's actually le good!"
>you shouldn't need someone to spell it out for you
anon, this term has given many meaning by the people that use it in this board, the meaning always changing according to what is convenient and what the the user is butthurted about
You are the first to give that meaning you presented
>it's fairly obvious if you look at the state at modern RPGs and D&D in particular.
no, it isn't
>orcs aren't evil anymore
they aren't always evil or predominantly evil by default since 3.0
> races can't even have stats or height associated with them anymore?
a moronic cuztomization option in a bad book, nothing new and nothing like what you affirmed
>it's their logical intent, at least.
How ?
> there hasn't been a huge cultural push in favor monster races over the years then you're straight up a liar.
where is this push ?
>why? because I don't like freakshit?
because you are b***hing about other people not doing fantasy like a tolkies copycaty in terms of races
>well subversion is actually a good thing
what subversion ?
>so I think freakshit it's actually le good
how is non-tolkien races subversive in anyway ?
sorry but I won't be arguing with someone who's willingly blind and/or moronic. farewell, traveller.
Nice cope Black person.
Anything that silences you is good.
>he's not immediately agreeing with all the truths and facts that I clearly said are true and factual, so he must be choosing to be wrong
lol, why'd you type up such a long reply at first if you didn't actually want to talk about it?
because I expected arguments and not someone feigning ignorance and arguing in bad faith.
>He doesn't accepted what I said as true right way and question my statements that means he feigning ignorance and arguing in bad faith!
>huge cultural push in favor monster races over the years then you're straight up a liar.
Lol
>yeah, non-human races have always been a thing but if you're pretending there hasn't been a huge cultural push in favor monster races over the years then you're straight up a liar.
lol, if anything the push is more and more toward humans and not humans that look mostly human, because you can't virtue signal or have those kind of people self insert as something very inhuman.
Only certain colored humans though.
Are you forgetting that tieflings and drow were the super persecuted in-universe freaks and that's still what they always play? Except they recently made all drow have grey/blue skin instead of ebony. So now that they can no longer wear in-game black face it's less appealing to them.
>first time i hear this exact combination of words to define it uwu
You fricking homosexual
>No one says tradition is bad we just want common sense tradition control
You fricking homosexual
>Your (sic) mad that people aren't play traditional parties? I mock you cuz that's bad!
You fricking homosexual
Imagine being so psychologically cucked you unironically use and defend Unwords.
You couldn't even type this without using one. Pathetic.
>Takelords have to feel so unique that they have to hate on the prefix of un-
I hate the modern internet.
>entirely meaningless
Then why does everyone, including yourself although you feign ignorance, know exactly what it means?
He literally explained because it's a buzzword that refers to whatever the user wants to be mad about, you fricking moron. In this thread alone we've been given multiple different definitions.
>Le it means different things to different people
Literally everyone knows exactly what it means and you're doing the homosexual feign ignorance routine if you deny it, you fricking homosexual
U mad
>yells about “muh freakshit”
>is a fricking wojaktard
The jokes write themselves
>Literally everyone knows exactly what it means
go on the archives and look for the meaning people gave to the term in past threads
Everyone i talked to today described a door using different words
>Doors mean different things to different people
>when asked they gave very different, and often conflicting, meanings
>jUsT diFfeRent WoRDs
Argumentum ad absurdum, freakshit is used for: race who doesn't fit the setting, but also for settings who allow races the speakers doesn't like, and of course tieflings and firbolg, but also sometimes when you play anything not human in general, etc...
A freakshitter would still try to push you to include his bara lizardman as a playable race despite your wishes. That is what it means.
“No”
Freakshit is a term made up by nogamers so they could further shit up the board after people stopped caring about their fake stories about unruly Tiefling players
My first campaign ever as a player I convinced him to play as a Myconid. He took convincing but agreed in the end.
Now that I got it out of systems I tend to play humans mostly.
Freakshit is just a forced meme used by people who get angry at people posting their characters from their private table to the internet, is not about getting mad about what happens at YOUR table, is about getting mad at people having fun wrong.
>it's a forced meme
>it doesn't mean anything
>why do you care what other people think?
>you're wrong, stop saying that!
>your (sic) just mad
>those pictels aren't relevant
>Do other GMs just say 'have at it' and let people bring literally anything to the table and only resolve it after the campaign has started?
No, OP only assumes that they do because he has never picked up a traditional game in his life
> But Dungeon Master, why can't I play a trans-xorn?
Great, now I'm imagining a genasi that's 1/1000th xorn and has lived in Sigil his entire life trying to "rediscover his heritage" based on thirdhand information about the Inner Planes.
>thirdhand
jej
>uncle ruckus the tiefling who think's he's an angel
AI post?
What happens when you right-click OP's image and search for it using your browser's image search addon?
>Unable to understand context clues
>Responding right away in a defensive manner
Yup, your an AI.
Why?
>Is there a thing such as being too freakshit
no such thing, the main reason is that freakshit is a meaningless term that describes nothing beyond "thing /tg/ pseudo-grog don't like"
There is and never was a thing such as freakshit. Freakshit is just a term homosexuals suffering from acute chronic gamelessness use to complain about things not conforming to their narrow idea of what the games they aren't having should be like.
No person that actually plays games even entertains the notion of freakshit, since that all goes away when one experiences what an actual tabletop game, played with other people, is like.
>since that all goes away when one experiences what an actual tabletop game
You poor, sweet, summer child. You likely play games w/only a close group of friends who gatekeep well (which is a good thing), so I am legit pleased for you.
What starts as cringe can lead to freakshit w/the wrong players; it's largely just people exploring fetishes in ways that (hopefully inadvertently) make others at the table uncomfortable.
I played a DnD game run by a friend whose gaming group I did not know, and he did not gatekeep well. It begins w/ one player running a male gay tabaxi and could only get worse.
Within the isolated bubble of a single campaign, I don't mind whatever exotic races people want to muck around with. It gets too freakshitty for me when a player has a clear theme to his characters across multiple settings and that theme has an obvious hint of sexual charge to it. Freakshit is in a player's heart, not in the character creation guide.
A truely enlightened opinion
Although sometime people will tell you outright.
If that monster is freakshit then you would hate the average Cthulhu game.
>If that monster is freakshit then you would hate the average Cthulhu game.
The shoggoth, the dark young and the two men of leng pc's meet up at the elder thing detective agency to investigate the spate of disappearances in the serpent men community is not the type of Cthulhu game I'm accustomed to or would appreciate.
>Idiot God Damn it, Tekeli-li Jones; you need to back off before you get in over your Beak, this is too big for one Giant Blind Albino Penguin!
>You worry too much, Commissioner, what's wrong with a date with a Single Mother
>The Black Goat of the Woods with a Thousand Young?
>I'm good with kids.
>You're a loose canon Shub-Eliathon but you're a damn good cop!
>But commissioner!
>No buts, you're on leave. At least until the heat from city hall dies down, all 17 angles of it!
Actually, a CoC game where you're a creature from the beyond yet are still subject to many of the game limitations sounds like a cool idea. The point if Lovecraftian stories is the utter insignificance of the individual in the face of the uncaring universe - showing how little these otherwise inscrutable horrors know and matter in the great scheme of things and how vulnerable even they can be really helps put things in perspective.
I can see it working for ghouls being as they are more of a borderline where the mythos is concerned also it would give an opportunity to build on not only what Lovecraft wrote but also successive writers. Anything more mythos-ish is going to be an impossible sell to me. Entities that are inimical to mundane reality and malignant to the environment just by their presence aren't any kind of fit for game play. The freakiest shit of the freakshit if you will.
>Harry Drummond, private investigator from Boston.
>Declan Hudson, wealthy investor and mogul from New York.
>Joshua Reid, county medical examiner from Rhode Island.
>Professor Frederick Doyle of Miskatonic University.
>Iaxiovh'gnug, vassal of Ghatanothoa a 20,000 year old lloigor of Ancient Mu.
The lloigor begins draining life force merely being in proximity of the other investigators leaving them as dried out husks.
This kind of shit would get ridiculous instantly.
Freakshit is an attitude, not specific threshold of content weirdness. I've had players that I would trust to play a talking frog, I've had players where I'd want to vet their concept if they showed up with a drow. The answer to "is this freakshit" is simple: is the player picking something weird to facilitate unorthadox role play, or to be more special?
Not sure what freakshit even means nowadays, or yesterdays.
We brainstormed a race of Medusas which reproduced through consensual curses on mortal women. Other ideas included ferrofluidic golems with hexagonal skin and fractal crystal vein-circuits, bugbears which turned their souls into narcotic smoke, omnivore half-demons, biotech giant amoebas which behaved like humanoid slimes with maritime symbionts. Btw, one of the gods was a bisexual hairy slender midget, like if Loki was a goblin which became a weremaned wolf.
>Not sure what freakshit even means nowadays, or yesterdays.
It means the same thing it did yesterday and the same it's always meant.
Campaign settings with an enduring legacy that is to say those that have existed 40 or more years not those meme'd today gone tomorrow and I do refer to D&D to illustrate this explanation, use pseudo medieval trappings predominantly human societies as a baseline and then paint a thin coat of Tolkien over the top. This is done to set expectations so we can derive reasonable reactions in response.
It's not hard to imagine how the local peasants would react when the rainbow haired, horned and hooved, crimson skinned pronoun wielding troony tiefling minces in to town because we can somewhat place ourselves in the situation using our knowledge and experience of how human society behaves through history. They would burn the wretched abomination at the stake and rightly so.
It's only more recently have those expectations been over turned, Eberron is a prime example, with the consequence that it becomes more difficult to relate.
>rainbow haired, horned and hooved, crimson skinned pronoun wielding troony tiefling
So do you just see all non 3.5 core races as snowflakes?
I can't tell if it's the tiefling part or the Tumblr bullshit part that has you seething.
You're already ignoring that DnD isn't exclusively low fantasy and that those peasants might get tieflings or other shit passing through on occasion, if they don't have any living in the village already.
It’s all just seethe anon, every single one of these moronic threads are just outrage bait, either for awful YouTube channels or just because this is what counts as human interaction for them
>So do you just see all non 3.5 core races as snowflakes?
But I want to play my special snowflake race!
Anon I already told you that race doesn't fit the setting or the type of game I wish to run.
Is that the brand of snowflake-ism you're referring? Then yes absolutely.
>I can't tell if it's the tiefling part or the Tumblr bullshit part that has you seething.
Is it because you don't have a reliable counter that you need to resort to hyperbole?
>You're already ignoring that DnD isn't exclusively low fantasy and that those peasants might get tieflings or other shit passing through on occasion, if they don't have any living in the village already.
Tieflings were exclusive to the planescape campaign setting until a later edition shoehorned them in to places where they wasn't meant to be.
>race doesn't fit the setting or the type of game I wish to run.
so just establish that races you don't like don't exist in you setting before hand or go run another game in the way you like instead of b***hing about other people running their games with options you don't like
>Ahhh shit no refutation springs readily to mind quick think. I know got it! I'll pretend he's complaining about what someone else is doing!
refute what, you are just mad about people playing races that
>1. don't fit your setting
this you can solve by establishing that those races don't exist there
and
>2. don't fit the type of game I wish to run
go run a game in the style you like with players that are in the same page as you in terms of game and setting style
No need of b***hing about the options existing and other people using them and about how other high fantasy setting aren't the low fantasy style you want
>refute what, you are just mad about people playing races that
>No need of b***hing about the options existing and other people using them and about how other high fantasy setting aren't the low fantasy style you want
Do you understand the purpose of this thread and did you read what the OP typed? It's a generic, abstracted and generalized discussion of how much freakshit is too much according to personal preference and of the criticism or commendations of the concept of freakshit as a whole. No one person's game is specifically being targeted for ridicule and this isn't a forum for you to berate others with the fallacy that someone, somewhere may be entertaining the notion of policing someone else's games. This is absurd, no one is coming round to your house to kick the door in and arrest your danger hair troony tieflings anon.
>this you can solve by establishing that those races don't exist there that are in the same page as you in terms of game and setting style
>go run a game in the style you like with players
Yes I know you're preaching to the choir here.
>race of Medusas which reproduced through consensual curses on mortal women.
Explain more, I might steal this.
Might be a bit hard to explain, because it has been years and a lot of it wasn't written down. We weren't sure if we would call them Euryales or something else. We spit out many ideas at each other, but never settled on a definitive one. For example, we considered once making them more like the Diclonius beings from Elfen Lied.
The gist of it was a race whose origin was either a curse or a corruption made by an eldritch creature, affecting the survivors of the planet it consumed to have a physical shape inside Creation. Despite their cursed existence, they had souls and were uneldtritch to exist within light. Their parasitic reproduction evolved into something more like symbiosis with willing people than a curse/corruption imposed over someone. There could be variants which were more like monsters and the corruption, but they wouldn't be a playable race, being sorta what Frazettamen were in relation to Humans.
Instead of literal snakes, their main trait would be tentacle hair with openings/mouths. It would be prehensile, thick and smooth to the touch. Racial talents would allow them to use as limbs for handling things and even the monk class. Instead of petrifying, they would be able to perform a sot of paralysis, which maybe would be a visual attack based on eldritch power, or a sort of ranged touch attack using the hair (either a literal touch or a bite from the "mouths"). Its length would be a way to identify age.
Besides this, the hair tentacles could have all the variation of actual hair: colors, being curly, thickness etc etc etc. The race would be entirely female, and could only "curse" females because it depended upon being able to give birth. Sterile or old women wouldn't be able to become Euryales without using some blessing/magic/personal quest motivation to overcome this.
Funny pic. Not an ironic reply, I take it?
>bugbears which turned their souls into narcotic smoke
Tell me more...
A regular non-magical human somehow being competitive with supernatural creatures is a bit too freaky for me. Also peasant characters, they just make no sense. Travelling far and wide to slay monsters and vanquish evil is a nobleman's pursuit.
Why are you bumping this abortion of a thread? You’re a bot aren’t you? You will not respond
No furgayotry. Almost everything else is fine.
"Freakshit" attempts to describe the problem where playing rare or nonstandard races breaks the cohesion of the setting. Not always how it's used, but the people who don't use it that way can be ignored. What is and isn't freakshit depends on the table and how it's played. If a player brings a race the DM has never heard of and will never use, it should be rejected, even if it's normal at other tables. Goblins and orcs are freakshit at many tables, but if playing in a setting where it makes sense for them to work with other player races as equals, it isn't. Playing something as normal as an elf can have the same problem if elves in the setting are normally treated as superior to the other player races. If a player is able to understand and roleplay a race's place in the world and relationship with all the common races, they should be able to play virtually anything on the same power level as the other player races, barring something like a cartoon pony.
most people don't use the term with that meaning and that is not problem with any race, it's a problem with specific players and GMs
What do they mean then? Freakshit is the "we want faster horses" explanation, what's behind it is people being aware that bringing whatever they like from the countless sourcebooks and making no effort to play it differently from a common race is making the game worse.
>What do they mean then?
in the vast majority of the cases they just means race that it's not human/elf/dwarf/halfling
>no effort to play it differently from a common race
why should they ?
> is making the game worse
maybe in your opinion, most people that play game don't care
If you disagree with people who complain about freakshit, why are you claiming to know what they mean better?
>why are you claiming to know what they mean better?
because I already went through enough threads with people b***hing about "freakshit" and it always boils down to "any race that isn't tolkien"
Lurk moar
go take your meds
>why should a gorilla act any different from a human
we are dealing with a fantasy races, it can act in any way the GM or the setting establish it
also interesting that your type never applies this rezoning to elves, dwarves and halflings
>picrel
pic has nothing to do with the argument
>also interesting that your type never applies this rezoning to elves, dwarves and halflings
Why the hell would you assume I wouldn't?
If you're going to play something with a different anatomy, culture, appearance, ancestry, history, and/or region where they grew up, then you should damn well act like it or we might as well not be playing an RPG at all.
>Why the hell would you assume I wouldn't?
because your type never does and only complain about it when is a non-tolkien race, always assuming that anything other should be complete alien
> might as well not be playing an RPG at all.
as always it's boils down to 'you are having fun wrong'
Most problems here would be solved if everyone accepted there was more than one way to have fun "right"
Don't make me tap the
again.
Your example is a problem player, and would do the same even if it plays a human.
>why should they ?
Yeah dude, why should a gorilla act any different from a human.
>maybe in your opinion, most people that play game don't care
picrel
This is sort of the main issue with "freakshit." It's not just non standard races but races disconnected from the setting. I'm dealing this problem rn. I wrote up a setting for an off week game for my players, specifically a duchy human feudal kingdom where all of the game was going to place. I was very clear about this point to my players, gave them a ton of lore about the kingdom, the surrounding human, elven, and dwarven kingdoms and the various other species that lived nearby; I added a group of multiracial ocean farers as well just to serve as a catch all for any other concepts... And my players all ignored it. One wanted to do a water genasi (fine) but said in their back story that they had personal vendetta against the humans of this land when they came and burned his village. Another wanted to do an eladrin cast out of a fey court and got tiffy with me when i explained that the setting didn't have fey courts because it wasnt the forgotten realms. Another got the feudalism thing, but played a white dragonborn, and basically forced me to lean over backwards to create a new place he could have come from to justify his existence. I know the response I'm going to get here is
> stop being a control freak with your setting
But running a human sword & sorcery, medieval fantasy game was something I was excited to do, and now it's all kinda evaporated. Im gonna have a bunch of monsters running around doing shit in a game where thr majority of characters will be some flavor of human.
Being a control freak on the setting is the DM's job. You need to restrict what is and isn't possible, otherwise your game won't be grounded.
people that use "freakshit" are always b***hing about non-tolkien races regardless of the setting and only pull this BS excuse of "it actually means races disconnected from the setting" when they get cornered
Also your players simply don't want to play the type of game your are imagining and aren't interested in the type of setting you want, if that's such a big deal for you go find another set of player more align with the type of game you want to run
> Also your players simply don't want to play the type of game your are imagining
I get this, but I repeatedly said before I sent out any documents and before they joined that it was a human based medieval fantasy game, and they ignored it. What should I have done different?
This is reassuring to hear.
>What should I have done different?
you could have talked with the players to make sure they understood or getting players that give at least a little frick about the game
anyway you should have vetoed the characters and said that those option simple didn't existed in that setting
a session 0 could also have helped
>people that use "freakshit" are always b***hing about non-tolkien races regardless of the setting and only pull this BS excuse of "it actually means races disconnected from the setting" when they get cornered
The fire genasi casually hanging out in the hobbit shire and nobody bats an eyelid or questions why it's there.
The problem with freakshit is the GM is required to take its identity in to account in every single interaction based solely on what it is. I completely understand the GM's who don't want to put up with that shit all the time.
>The fire genasi casually hanging out in the hobbit shire and nobody bats an eyelid or questions why it's there.
why would anyone question it being there and why are you trying to use D&D to play in middle earth ?
>GM is required to take its identity in to account in every single interaction based solely on what it is
he is not, there's no reason to make that race special or treated any different from an elf or dwarf
Oh for sure man, fire genasi just hanging out minding his own business chilling with the purple squid monsters who also live in the hobbit shire.
There is such a thing as not wishing to create incongruity.
>there's no reason to make that race special or treated any different from an elf or dwarf
Something that is unknown and never encountered before is likely going to be treated with fear and mistrust at every opportunity if the GM is trying to build a sense of realism in fantasy. If you don't care about that then sure do whatever octopuses riding pink unicycles in to combat, go crazy. Though that's not the type of fantasy setting I would wish to participate in exploring.
Go to the catalogue. Look for any thread starting with that term. Half is "I'll never allow it" (good for them) the other half is "I hate this party I'm not a part of!" (who cares)
I typically don't like nu-dnd shit but this doesn't look bad to me. Kind of like a gayer wizard of oz.
Is in practice no different from this, but somehow this makes posters get way more angry.
I thing the art style and quality of drawing might have something to do with it
The thing is all those parties look boilerplate as frick from the rest of all the squads. I blame the lack of classes in 5e for this more than anything.
DnD with a green-skinned orc instead of the canonical grey-skin. Of course people would get mad.
>DM warns us that we'll probably want to make humans for his campaign, but other races aren't banned if we really want to
>Frick it
>Make a kobold since I'd really been wanting to play it
>Start on a ship that immediately gets dragged into a portal
>Shipwrecked
>Make it to a beach
>Barely start exploring when we come across a group of 16th century spanish musketeers
>Instead of finding out where we are and what happened, they spot me and immediately start shouting that I'm a demon
>Fight for our lives
>Have to spend multiple sessions in our biggest member's backpack so that I don't attract attention in civilization until I find a disguise
Was honestly pretty fun and I didn't regret throwing that wrench in at all.
>If a player is able to understand and roleplay a race's place in the world and relationship with all the common races, they should be able to play virtually anything on the same power level as the other player races
This.
As usual the problem is the people doing things wrong, not the things they're misusing.
freakshit doesnt belong in the party, but I go ahead and allow my homebrewed kobolds and saurians (lizardfolk-lite) anyway
goblins and orcs too
Anything beyond that is strictly off-limits as a player.
Now that I Think about it, the vast majority of the time with a lot of the tables before 5e, most people just picked a race for it's utility more than anything. Like yes I want to be a special snowflake, but it's because I want +2 to Int and fire resistance, not because I want to mog other players with my thespian antics.
It's the players that are the problem, not the races themselves. On the one hand you have the normal players who want to play an exotic race every so often because they have a cool character idea or they're making a joke character or just for the novelty of it or whatever and then on the other hand you have people who want to play an exotic race every goddamn time because they're powergaming, stroking under the table to their barely-disguised fetish, deviantart-tier morons who always have to be a special snowflake or some combination of all of the above.
As always, the best way to guard against unpleasantness is to play with people you know and trust. If I've played with Bob for years and he asks to play a reformed Illithid, I would trust him because he knows what he's getting into and I am willing to trust his judgement. I would not extend that trust to Alan the rando who shows no interest in playing anything besides a nudist giantess who fights by stepping on people no matter how much he's willing to gimp his character to fit mechanically. But of course, that's a luxury and almost every group has at least one player of the latter type who will scream like a banshee if he thinks you're picking on him so the safest policy is to just keep a pretty tight rein on the races that a player can be.
>Player says characters name, class, then starts describing physical featur---
I'm going to stop you right there, chief.
All characters should get a brief description, even the normal ones. Is your rogue short or lanky? Is his hair curly or shaven? What does he wear?
Reach level 2 first
Doesn't matter. There are entire book series where physical features are never described and left to each individual reader's imagination. (The Lost Fleet AAA+) Even if a player were to exhaustively describe their character each other player is going to have a unique impression in their mind anyway, if they were even paying attention and not fricking around on their phone.
>uwu I am a human male and what makes me unique and special is-
Frick off with your descriptions. We're all going to forget by the second session anyway. If you have to describe how your character looks, you've already entered the realm of freak shit.
>describing what your character looks like is now freakshit
Is giving your character a backstory or motivation also “”freakshit””?
You can jerk off all you want, but stop when you're at the table, moron. Go post your drivel on fanfiction.is
I'm sorry whoever hurt you with their garbage fire character did so, but that doesn't excuse removing the RP from the RPG for everyone else.
>roleplaying is bad in a roleplaying game
We have reached peak nogames
>Wearing a funny hat is what I think roleplaying is
This is why people don't like freakshit
Well enlighten me nogames how do you roleplay a character with no backstory or motivation?
>posts the elder scrolls game with the worst roleplaying
>worst roleplaying
>60 million copies
Fricking idiot
>thing is popular therefore good
By that logic 5E is the best roleplaying game in the world
>strawman
wow I keep winning!
The only prize of playing Ganker is an ignoble suicide and everyone's a winner eventually here.
You are shadowrunners, you are criminals that take jobs from entities like corporations, politicians, or even the downtrodden people on the street. You do it for money and because it's the only way a poor slob like you might have a lasting legacy in this dystopian world...
>What's my motivation Haus, why is my character here?
I just told you, you're...
>I haven't finished writing my biography in this box over here, hold on...
You don't really....
>My character has rainbow horns and his spirit animal is a cat that shipshapes between a steamboat willy noodle arms when he's serious, or an anime catgirl during fun times. Only I can see her and I often reply to her outloud. Everyone around me is surprised/impressed/in awe of my unique blue skin...
Blue isn't really a unique color, all Oni orks have...
>I meant purple skin, now I am best known for that time I crashed a spaceshuttle into the top corporation of this world and destroyed the, saving Japan, the president gave me a medal and I was awarded all the honors of the truest samurai of legend. Everyone knows my name and is my friend but I am none of their friends, for I walk alone...
You haven't even earned any KArma ano...
>Theees isss myyyy acceeeeent. I eem Easssturn Uwupeon.... NATUYRAL TWEEENTY
Verification not required
>shows a elf and troll mercenary
sorry anon but your post is automatically gay freakshit, should have posted the average CoD protagonist instead.
My players can play whatever they want but they'll still roll 3d6 in order - I don't care that their character is an Ogre, but he'll have the strength score he rolled, no bonus. Other Ogres will mock his puny frame, not my problem.
That's why there are ability score requirements, you roll before you pick a class.
>they'll still roll 3d6 in order
The only right way to play.
Why not a single d20? It's the important die, isn't it? D6 is for board games.
Freakshit is a term for exotic monsters played wrong.
So the normal amount is zero.
What you can tolerate depends entirely on your table composition and level of trust in your players.
It doesn't really matter what race do you choose, freakshitter will twist and cringe it into nauseating homosexualry anyway.
>It doesn't really matter what race do you choose, freakshitter will twist and cringe it into nauseating homosexualry anyway.
This. When used by a freakshitter, elves become obnoxious Mary Sues, halflings infuriating kender archetypes and humans asstarded MUH WHITE HYOOMAN FIGHTER IS STRONGEST.
There are no bad races. Only bad players.
Those are basic stereotypes though, not freakshit.
Obnoxious, but traditional. That doesn't break the racial portrait.
>freakshit is fine when it's the freakshit -I- like
You'd be a terrible player if you played any games at all.
>try to call "freakshit something that's not"
>get told
>WAH WAH
Keep seething.
>What level of freakshit is too much for you?
Simple rule of thumb: If it's supposed to be considered laudatory or otherwise admirable.
If they're are all disgusting abominations and they're pointed out to be disgusting abominations, that's fine.
It's when it's "Awww, we should feel bad for them" or when they're held up as shorthand for minorities or THE MESSAGE, that's when it's freakshit.
I remember reading a book where a group of friends was transported to a fantasy world and all became fantasy characters.
One of the kids turned into a lizardman, and was unable to speak english anymore. And when they traveled through the desert, they had to use some of their water to wet their cloaks to keep his skin wet so he wouldn't die.
After a search, I think it was a Greyhawk based novel called Quag Keep
If it fits with the setting, I literally could not give less of a frick. It helps that I discuss with my players what they want to play beforehand and we all act like adults about it.
>Play the race that gives me the mechanical benefits and racial abilities that I want
>Say they just look human though because I don't want to play as a weird looking uggo
Is this considered freakshit? Is it better than freakshit? Worse than freakshit?
Worse, because you're trying to have your cake and eat it too.
If you do plan to use freakshit races, what is the best way to implement and integrate them?
>Race is unheard of or hated in most the world, but common and well respected in the town/local area that the adventure takes place in.
>Race is not actually a race, but it's stats and abilities are instead used as a representation of a curse/transformation the character is afflicted by.
>Race lives far away from the location of the adventure. However the PC got so far from home, nobody has seen anything like them before.
For player options they are either integrated or NPCs aren't going to be arbitrarily buttholes, unless the players are okay with that kinda tone. For non-PC races why would you restrict PCs from races??, they can be anything.
TQ: As DM freakshit isn't a problem if it's baked in from the getgo. Starting a setting with only 7 races and having a player come in with a new PC later of a completely different race would be disruptive regardless of what race it is. Moreso than freakshit what actually bothers me is if every single player is trying to do a character voice. It's fun to do voices but someone needs to be the straight man or it just feels like clown college.
You know it's not the character, it's the player - same kind of person who will try to steal from the bank in Monopoly.
>It's just what my character would do!
Same kind of person who makes a cyber-samurai from Japan to your Ars Magica campaign.
>Dude, just roll with it!
Same kind of person who plays Broo in RuneQuest and complains about persecution
>Hey, my race is *infamous* for being genocidal rapists best described as bioweapon made by chaos but that doesn't mean that villagers would try to kill me on sight, right?
Nah, the guy is just asswaffle and needs to be kicked ASAP.
freakshit is only a problem when the people who play them have insufferable personalities. don't invite these people to your games, and you won't have any problems. simple as.
At this point, I just DM my own games rather then fight to play freakshit. If the DM isn't going to let me play as a fairy, I don't have time. Meanwhile, I can just DM a game and have a DMPC hobo pixie just be navi for the party.
DnD is a freakshit setting. Have you seen the Forgotten Realms?
As long as the characters are fine I don't mind. The best way to combat freakshit is to just be freakshit back and point out how weird everyone in the party is. I just play my "freakshit" characters straight like they're Dorohedoro characters honestly, and make sure their race and class just add too the character, not the entire character.
Freakshit is a meme. If some sperg didn't force his shit in 2016 as a standin dogwhistle for some /misc/ bait racial supremacy argument, nobody here would have ever heard about it or cared. Now you just got a bunch of morons caring about it because they think other people care about it.
nice selfi OP
"Freakshit" is only a problem with shit systems (like DnD) hell in a good system, you could even play custom donutsteel races. Foxfolk, demon angel hybrids, a gay emo dinosaur it's all good as long as the system does not force you into repetitive and forced roles or give them unbalanced abilities and the like. Part of the reason I prefer the creativity granted by point buy systems since it lets you iron out the player character and play style I want.
>Pro-point buy on a osr board
RIP
>>Pro-point buy on a osr board
You sweaty grogs get a general onto yourself and all of a sudden you act like you own the place? Lmao, kek even.
Your testicles look scrumptious.
Salivating over another man's balls? Are you a homosexual?
I think it partly depends on the player's motives and attitude, but there's a lot of ways it can go south.
If a PC is a species that is particularly exotic and unique, then already you have a problem where that's going to hog extra spotlight if the NPCs have a natural reaction of curiosity and questions towards this unusual outsider. That already isn't a great sign if the player was intentionally trying to achieve this, but it often gets old very fast even if the GM plays along, since the player is probably going to get tired of explaining how their species works to every random barkeep and town guard that they bump into along their journey.
Even more drastic is if that species is something that people might reasonably be hostile or fearful of, causing hurdles when the PC tries to interact with society in standard ways, and might otherwise have to go through a process of earning trust. This only exacerbates the above situation, where a single character is stopping the session to make everything about them and their difficulties, or else the GM has to gloss over those difficulties to simply keep things moving.
Thus the most expedient option is typically to make any species the player picks into something that is common within the setting. Otherwise, it devolves into special snowflake hour where the entire game revolves around the PC circus before it can get into anything actually important. And there is potential interesting roleplay to be had there, but it's something the entire party needs to be on board with engaging with.
The only time it really becomes something frustrating is if a player is picking something exotic specifically to be quirky and unique, but gets bored as soon as they realize that they aren't special or they actually have to deal with any problems that result from it.
Shalom
You know it when you see it
I'm currently playing a race that many here would decry as "freakshit" but isn't even all that uncommon in the setting. One of the npcs in the AP we're playing is a tavern owner of the same race so the villagers of the town would all be familiar with my characters kind anyways. My race has come up a few times but it's mostly just jokes about me being a bird.
PF tengu playing Abomination Vaults
>Human
Default
>Elf, Dwarf, Human with silly face
Acceptable if within setting, party wide +/- to interactions accordingly
>Furshit
Immediate fetish inspection. Skimpy clothing, excessive chest size for females or abnormal physique is grounds for rejection. Members of other species will NOT consider your character attractive regardless of your portrait.
>Angel/Aasimar/similar
You will dictate a greater purpose that your existence serves that is in line with party goals. All other players must approve your choice.
>Demon/thiefling/similar
Allowed if party is evil, otherwise party veto and must have at least average intelligence/wisdom. Goes for player too.
>Undead, humanoid robots, constructs
One per party, be prepared to specify binding method or directives
>Humanoid monsters
1-2 per party, must be setting specific, approved by other players and reasonably aligned with party goals
>Non-humanoid sentient animal or monster
Allowed if feasible within system and setting, but I would expect the player to get bored rather quickly of not having hands, so ability to gain human form should be available early.
>Non-humanoid non-natural creatures (non-humanoid machines, weird aliens, eldritch horrors, strange magical entities)
Only if we are specifically playing a system about them. Otherwise limited to 1 per party higly experienced player and they must sell the character premise to me and the rest of the party
>Hiveminds
As above but only if 4 players max and the player is VERY fast with his turns