What lingo do you still use that dates you? Do you still call Peach "Princess Toadstool"?

Kys

I recently found out by accident that a DJ from the early 00's i used to follow had died a few months prior. In a panic I snapped up every single mix I didn't have from his site and listed on his forum torrents. Surely enough, a few months later, with nobody to pay the renewal fee for his website, the entire ftp archive of mixes he had available and the forums just vanished from the net entirely. Thankfully I grabbed all these when I learned of his death but this kind of shit is just going to keep happening.

Wanna share?

They still won't call him Robotnik regardless. The most it's been alluded to as of recent is in Frontiers when you hear Eggman laugh about how he turned Sonic's derogatory nickname for him into his theme, but he never actually refers to himself by his real name.

People who read gaming magazines back then might have been the ones spreading the spoken "S-N-E-S"

I definitely said PSX out loud, but I’ve never once said GCN which was Nintendo’s official acronym for the GameCube in North America.

CD-I is an acronym: it stands for compact disk interactive

The internet bubble already burst by then. It wasn't a secret club. It was already lame.

Something like 95% of historic knowledge has been lost, you know. Everything we know about Aristotle I think it was comes from second and third-hand sources because none of his original writings have survived. There's a huge 300 year blank spot in British history from between the end of Roman Britain to the beginning of the middle ages, because no written works from that era have survived.

Most of the data lost with digital decay is irrelevant and worthless trivia. Nobody 200 years from know is gonna be interested in some shitty browser game made by a bored 12 year old in 2003.

Pretty much. It's like, I don't know, Boomers going to buy a Beatles record in the 80s and being told everything has vanished, sorry. Rolling Stones as well.
...We can do you one single by The Small Faces and the A side is scratched.

Another thing is that you could have a website on a hard disk, but it's all but forgotten about so it's never accessed. I wonder how many of these Ghost Sites there are out there?

"The victor writes the history, only the victor decides its the victor to begin with."

I feel you about not being able to access stuff. Planet Elder Scrolls died and took so many memories of my time on the forums with me, like when I had an argument with AlienSlof about her weird porn lol.

I do miss forums. I think I'd rather their negatives than the negatives of the communication platforms we have now, and I include this cesspit in that.

Like other anon said, planet elder scrolls was massive. With it, went a piece of the heart of lorkan, into the void outside of mundus... I can only imagine what kind of suicidal tendencies the gamefaq gays will exhibit when their ship goes down.

>Watch the chaos when GameFAQs eventually shuts down.
This is why I try and save the ASCII FAQs I like when I can, even just for the aesthetics.

Like other anon said, planet elder scrolls was massive. With it, went a piece of the heart of lorkan, into the void outside of mundus... I can only imagine what kind of suicidal tendencies the gamefaq gays will exhibit when their ship goes down.

The worst part is that these message boards and forums must cost basically nothing to maintain on a modern set of hardware, so it'll be spite that has them go offline, when they could just as easily be mothballed. Same with Geocities. Fricking hell, it's been 14 years since it died, and when it did it took the old internet with it.

And no kids today would want to do it because they're either just consumers, or "creators" so they don't dirty their hands with this.

I kind of want to make a message board for 00s internet culture, but Heaven knows I can't moderate it because I work a 9-5, 5/7 just like anyone else who was around then. Or maybe we just have to rethink the time that you sink into the digital world in general?

I've been feeling that "the internet" is sort of "over" for a while now, and maybe the best that could be done is to carve out a quiet corner to "retire" to for people who feel the same.

>a top end computer from 2003 is worthless today because of how advanced modern computers have become. A budget smartphone is more powerful than a $2000 PC from 20 years ago
This is nonsense and I can't be bothered to explain to you why.

And besides, this is getting into a quantitative argument rather than a qualitative one. Who cares if a smartphone is "more powerful" than a Windows XP-era PC when it can't do shit, and when what it's interacting with is shit?

>The library of Alexandria burned in a day
That's a load of bull. The library of Alexa dria was a dilapidated mess that has been ransacked, rebuilt, robbed, destroyed, rebuilt and ransacked before it was finally set ablaze. Most of the information from Alexandria was already transfered to thebes iirc

I don't need to because everything available on CD can be downloaded off the internet and stored in a hard drive. How much music do you think has been lost in human history? Remember, back in the day it overwhelmingly was passed along orally. Nobody remembers what the pop standard of 1123 was, hell we don't even know the vast majority of what was popular in 1923. As another anon pointed out, something like 80% of all silent-era films made were lost.

Why should we do that? And more pragmatically, who would pay for the creation and maintenance of it?
The overwhelming majority of what humanity creates is, to be blunt, worthless. Through the passage of time society separates the wheat from the chaff and naturally preserves what is worth preserving, for the most part.
The funny thing is the the redundant decentralised preservation technique is FAR more resiliant to the ravages of time than is a single centralised database; one of the great follies of the human psyche is its tendancy to submit to centralised collectivism in spite of it time and time again proving to bite us in the arse. If all of your books are stored in one library, all it takes is one fire to destroy it all. But if every page is duplicated a thousand times and stored in a thousand different libraries...

Why do you think the great masterpieces of classical art and music have been preserved, but not the scrawlings and cachophonies of rank amateurs? There's my bloody citation; what you can see in a museum.

>The overwhelming majority of what humanity creates is, to be blunt, worthless. Through the passage of time society separates the wheat from the chaff and naturally preserves what is worth preserving, for the most part.
Don't our nukes still run on 5.25" floppies or some ancient shit? It's not just preservation, it's futureproofing. Which we're not good at doing.

Yeah until they don't. Waiting until shit starts actually breaking before doing anything about it is a stupid way to maintain a car, let alone critical infrastructure.

Unlike later 3.5" hard plastic diskettes where all pretenses of quality were dropped to make them cheap, to where they failed if you sneezed in the same area code, old 8" floppies could be, and would be, made to a very high quality of standard which made them extremely dependable, especially when you actually handle them with some respect. The fact that those have remained in use for all this time is a testament to how they actually fulfill their jobs well still.

Yeah until they don't. Waiting until shit starts actually breaking before doing anything about it is a stupid way to maintain a car, let alone critical infrastructure.

Cars and floppy disks are an awkward comparison, cars are large and relatively complex machines which go through use cycles even as the engine is idling, there's shitloads of things to mind for maintenance and lifespan.

I would say that updating to a more modern format which still has some industry support and where the technical knowhow to troubleshoot still exists would be an advantage, but this is a basic item fulfilling an uncomplicated task, at low intensity and stress, and in a very non-hostile environment, and also very seldom.
These things are nothing but keys, if they needed to be replaced, they would be.

>Stick an audio CD in your PS5 and see what happens
wait are you serious? I have a hard time believing this but I don't have a ps5 to disprove your implication

I would LOVE for you to disprove me. Please do. The sad truth is that the laser assemblies don't include CD lasers anymore. I mean, sure, I GET it but...frick.

>hey guys did you see the numbers this year?
>they're up!
>last year they were up. and now they're up-er even more

>Good riddance, I say. The sooner banks collapse the better.
Children who think they hold opinions like this are so asinine.

Who's talking browser games? Our banking industry still runs on COBOL which is ancient and the people who know it are literally dying of old age. The problem now is that super important shit aren't any better off or more long term than those browser games.

400 years is roughly Shakespeare, which isn't that alien. Go back to Chaucer and thats when you really need to learn what the frick you're looking at. But even so, you can at least read the words. Good luck interacting with a Word document in 400 years.

>Another amusing example is the Domesday Book. The original is still perfectly readable (if you know Latin), you can go to the right library in England and see it for yourself. The modern version the BBC made in 1986 for the 900-year anniversary, the one on laserdisk.... not so much.
That's absolutely hilarious. All this technology that locks you out of information because you need a bunch of other contemporary tech to interface with it. Its like that South Park episode where Cartman went into the future for a Wii only to find that the one he found in a museum couldn't plug into any modern televisions. And trying to maintain compatibility has its own problems. Productivity software like Microsoft Excel is a bloated nightmare because they don't want to break compatibility with spreadsheets companies have been using since the 80s.

If you think about it, we're in the first generation of modernity. The Industrial Revolution was only about 200 years ago. We're not used to dealing with such rapid obsolescence. Its why our drinking water has lead in it now. Our pipes are all hitting the end of their useful life snd nobody considered that inevitability and the cost of not updating. We generally just ride it until the wheels fall off and now those wheels are falling off every decade or so.

I remember reading that they found a still active water main in New York made of fricking wood. Like a hollowed out tree trunk, probably from 1890.

Europe is a bit better off but they had to have two world wars on their continent in order to modernize. Nothing sets a fire under your ass like your cities being obliterated.

Furthermore those cities were industrial centers back then, they paid for themselves. Any materials needed to construct a sewer were cheap and locally available or produced locally, and there were plenty of people on hand with the talent to design and put them together. NYC is completely parasitic now, it produces nothing and exists only to house hedge fund managers and latte hipsters. So even without all the modern government regulations and bureaucracy it would still be ruinously expensive to rebuild those sewers.

Same story across the West, really. We make nothing, and what is made elsewhere is shit, and never is it an option to make things that aren't shit.

Just accept the tat and work in service forever?

You can't just start building stuff in America again. Companies want cheap labor overseas. Tariffs are an option but we also don't want other countries placing crazy high tariffs on goods we want from them that we may not be able to produce in necessary quantities here. The economy is just too global these days, which is a political advantage since it means world powers are less likely to start shooting at each other.

Actually manufacturing has been moving into the South for decades, it's part of the reason why southern states moved towards the Republican party, a party traditionally associated with northern industrial interests. North Carolina has a larger manufacturing industry than New York does, and Atlanta has the fourth-largest tech industry in the US after SF/Seattle/Austin.

Most people don't even own printers nowadays. I have one but I rarely ever use it.

Something like 95% of historic knowledge has been lost, you know. Everything we know about Aristotle I think it was comes from second and third-hand sources because none of his original writings have survived. There's a huge 300 year blank spot in British history from between the end of Roman Britain to the beginning of the middle ages, because no written works from that era have survived.

Most of the data lost with digital decay is irrelevant and worthless trivia. Nobody 200 years from know is gonna be interested in some shitty browser game made by a bored 12 year old in 2003.

It feels like history has pretty much ceased to be made in the contemporary era. It has just been "the present" since the dawn of the 21st century with nothing truly notable.
We sent rovers to Mars in 2003, I guess.

The charm of early Youtube is that it wasn't full of people trying to be famous and most importantly wasn't dominated by the big channels. A popular Youtube video could have had nearly a million views and the uploader was somebody named 'moron42069'

Also you could find pretty much movie or TV show made before 2000 on there if you were willing to watch it in 240p split into 10 minute parts

Ah yes Limewire. Your direct link to the malware factory. If there's one thing I don't miss is how incredibly easy it was to get random infections back then. You'd spend 15 minutes online and now your browser has 8 new toolbars and there's a popup ad that runs away from your mouse pointer as you try to close it.

I’ve ruined a few computers being a dumb kid and doing this. My first mishap was with our old win98 machine. It only had like 256mb of storage, so I started deleting shit to download more roms and I ended up deleting stuff from the windows folder and it totally just fricked everything up kek. I’m so glad I wasnt the stupid kid who got hoodwinked on the internet to rub magnets on the hdd to fix it, I was totally that gullible, kek

I almost miss computer viruses at this point. Now there's no malware because it's built into everything you use.

Nah, you're pseud as frick made, and I don't see any reason to take your non-pinions seriously. Pretty sad showing, you never really made it through the "fledgling junior high intellectual" phase huh

Because if it was worth saving, someone somewhere would've archived it.

>the amount of shit that has vanished over the last few decades
Your slang betrays you. It is shit. Most all of it.

REGARDLESS, the original point I was making before we got caught chasing red herrings, is that preservation is more widespread than ever. Sure, some stuff slips through the cracks, but far less often than ever before. You know this to be true. You KNOW it. That's why all the complaints in here are about 'punch George Bush/Obama' flash games and Sonic porn fanart being lost.

Also, don't we have a lot of renowned artists who weren't appreciated in their time? Didn't Edgar Allen Poe die broke in a ditch or something?

>The Honjo Masamune, one of Japan's national treasures, vanished without a trace after World War II and is likely sitting in some G.I.'s attic.
Said GI is almost certainly dead by now and any of his relatives would have come across the thing if that was the case so we'd have heard of it.

He's acting like Important Things have some sort of glow around them.
>"I know this is an important thing because of the star it has in my inventory screen."