What makes Dark Souls 1 the best souls game to date?

i disagree completely

maybe, but subjectively i am correct

>Ignore the fundamentals of the game to mash attack like an ape for zero investment
>"Actually useful."
There's a reason it never came back.

Poise is not an option. It is literally Excelhomosexualry to ignore the game. There are also tons of options:
Rolling, blocking, parrying, and simply moving out of attacks. There was also a much better version of poise in Demon's which was limited and required some trade-offs to use despite being quite powerful.

It is not since the investment is so low, the effect is so powerful, and you do not activating or doing anything to take advantage of it. It's like saying increasing Vitality or leveling your weapon is an option. It sure is in the sense you're making a "choice," but it's not in the sense that literally everybody makes the same choice, you don't have to do anything to take advantage of it, and you would be moronic not to take it. There is no downside to not loading up on as much as you can before it eats roll speed

>It's objectively a nerf and made a useful option into medicore shit for terrible weapon types.
You should play Demon's Souls in that case. Hyper armor makes literally every weapon viable and it has the best weapon tiers in terms of balance.
>Options are supposed to be useful and strong, not worthless crap.
Auto includes in 99.99% of builds don't strike me as meaningful choices. DS1 poise never required you to give up anything—a choice means choosing one active path over another—and the effect was basically broken.
Say what you want, it's never coming back and that's because even the devs no it's awful. All the games without any poise whatsoever okay better than Dark 1.

>DeS doesn't have passive superarmor,
No shit. That's a bonus.
>And daggers are the best weapon type as it has the rawest DPS (the only thing that matters in Souls when it comes to melee).
Lmfao, daggers are low tier. You are moronic. What an I reading?
>The hyperarmor on the DBS is worthless dogshit, it's a garbage weapon.
DBS is top tier. You are literally moronic. Talk to any PvP vet and Estoc and DBS with NR are too tier toward the end of the lifecycle. I can't bro. Look for yourself or ask someone that actually played the meta hard. Hammer was too, then Katana, that DBS and Estoc were top. Gaxe was always mid-high because of hyper and ground pound might be the best move in the game. Bro, you just outted yourself.

>Such a bonus despite not existing in the game at all.
Yeah. It's a bonus not to have dogshit in your game.
>They are the best weapon type without contest since it's raw DPS and stunlock is unmatched.
Daggers don't stun-lock, moron. They're one of the few weapons that don't. They're also low tier. Furthermore, you have no idea what the top DPS is, and it's a completely worthless stat since everything in Demon's hits hard.
>It's slow, the damage is shit, and the hyperarmor utility is worthless when everything is going to die faster from Secret Dagger spam. It's shit.
Top tier weapon. Literally nobody cares what some random PvE dipshit that played it in 2021 on PS5 thinks.
>From games have garbage PvP. No one cares.
Major seethe

options are dogshit
Broken moron shit that rewards you for playing the game like a R1-smashing ape isn't a useful option. It's an auto-include for free that literally dumbs down the game.
>This post isn't even worth taking seriously. Post a faster melee kill.
Post a stun-lock bro. Do you know what a stun-lock is? You need to post a stun-lock.
>No, it's slow and has shit damage. That makes it bad.
Wrong. Top tier weapon by anyone that knows the game well and not some PS5 bandwagoner. You think moron shit like morion/rat dagger making an Allant kill is top tier because it can kill in 39 seconds instead of 42 seconds or some dumb shit? Firestorm kills Allant in one hit yet it isn't the best spell.
>Is this the part where you pretend you played a From game before you heard about DaS?
Here's me bro. pic related.
>Election tourist confirmed.
DS1 bandwagoner confirmed.

>That was one. Where's his passive superarmor and when does he break out of the hitstun?
Stun-lock would imply a hard lock, bro. An enemy not moving and eating hits out of choice or tard AI doesn't mean a weapon stun-locks. You can look up all the actual stun-locks in DES if you want. Spoiler: dagger isn't on there, unless you count Dagger with off-hand katana, in which case there is a stun-lock... but it's the katana stun-locking.
>Saying it over and over doesn't make it true. It has far worse damage, while being slow. It's shit.
It is true. Look up weapon tiers yourself. You setting the parameters and saying it's too tier means nothing because you lack the understanding of what makes the weapons good in the first place. This is why your opinion has no value. DPS means nothing in a game where you can kill every boss in 10 seconds with curse weapon, firestorm, morion/rat, etc.
>That just proves the point.
I don't see how my Demon's platinum from before Dark Souls 1's release """proves""" that I """pretend you played a From game before you heard about DaS?""" I would say having multiple plats of Demon's before Dark Souls 1 came out does indeed prove I played the game before I heard about Dark Souls 1, a game that came out in 2011. I will also wager that I'm the only person on this board that played the E3 build of Dark Souls 1 with the bk and solaire classes. You don't even know what this is.

>Correct. Now, answer the question: Where's his passive superarmor and when does he break out of the hitstun? Point it out
You're moronic. I'll explain:
If you're playing Street Fighter, and the AI opponent stands there and eats 3 fierce punches, that doesn't make those a combo or "stun-lock." It means the computer chose not to act. You can't be this disingenuous.
Second of all, I don't know why you are talking about passive super armor here. No idea. There is very little in Demon's. Feel free to look up a single hit FS kill if you want.
>It's not, no melee weapon is out DPSing a dagger type. Post a single faster boss kill.
DPS is not a measure of a weapon's worth. You're just repeating the same useless point over and over. Look up other tier lists. Daggers are low, DBS is high, often top 3. Your opinion means nothing despite the webm and nobody cares about it. You can sit there all day and talk about DPS, and you will be dismissed.
>Because you're a moronic Soulshitter who hasn't played From's other games.
You are just being a greasy little snake. Me playing DES on release literally poves I played it before DS1. Also, I have played their other games. I had the unfortunate experience of getting KF1 on release for PS1, hardware you've never owned. I played all the Tenchu games, but I'm not even sure which ones From did. I can't take a guy that played DES on PS5 seriously and than has the audacity to come at me about what games I played and when. Lower lifeform IQ.

>Excellent dodge. Now try again, point out exactly where his passive superarmor, and when exactly he breaks out of the hitstun,
I'm not dodging. You don't know what a stun-lock is. Until you know what it actually is, we can't have a conversation about it. Feel free to post stun-locks in PvP with dagger that don't get rolled out of. Or, better yet, how about we duel on PS5 and you try to stun-lock me with dagger while I try with Mirdan hammer. You will actually see what a stun-lock is. What is your PSN?
>It is in babby Action like Souls where utility approaches is non-existent and worthless crap. It's a bad weapon since it has shit damage.
No it isn't. This is why basically any tier list won't reflect your beliefs. You saying it is so doesn't matter—the lists reflect the truth.
>Because it's correct?
It's literally objectively wrong. I showed the dates. You are desperate to pivot here, but you never owned a PS1.
>You don't know Japanese you lying israelite.
Oh, good lord lol. Are you one of those morons that calls FF3 FF6? moronic Black person-ape.

>Which point is he breaking out of the hitstun then?
You don't know what hit-stun is—Allant eating hits ≠ hit-stun. Time to stop pretending. What's your PSN? Don't dodge me. I have the emulator too, so either works for me. I'll show you what hit-stun is and you can try to hit-stun me with dagger and I'll roll out 100% of the time.
>So which weapons in Souls has different reactions on the enemy that isn't launcher or knockback (neither of which has follow ups), not tied to skills.
I don't even know what this means. English, ESL Black person.
>No, it's never okay to be a stupid Soulshitter.
Nonsense with no context. See above.
>You didn't play KF1 at release, it's time to stop pretending.
I did.

>Now you're actually doubling down on how stupid you are by saying Souls doesn't have hitstun. Holy shit, incredible
That's not what I said at all. I said you don't know what it is. Hit-stun = stun(!). You can't prove the shit in a webm is a stun, moron, because the enemy not reacting ≠ stun. I can show you a stun in PvP, but you are scared shitless.
>Amazing, you really don't know shit about Action
You don't even know what hit-stun is or fightan. You don't know know what a combo is. You don't know what fricking lariat or a dp is.
>You didn't. You don't know Japanese
Mega seethe. You are trooning out. I played it. I'm very fluent.

>Really, so what effect is being applied to the enemy then?
You tell me, bro. I've no idea what shit resides in your head.
>I'm not pretending Souls doesn't have it.
You are pretending that any instance of hitting an enemy consecutively = hit-stun. You can look up all the hit-stun in the game, it's all publicized. R1 dagger spam doesn't hit-stun. You are being a dishonest israelite by pretending, and the information is out there. Second of all, I was willing to actually show you what DOES hit-stun, but you are running scared like a b***h-made Black person. Look it up for yourself if you're too much of a oussyor get absolutely BODIED when you quickly discover I can roll out of sekrit dagger light attacks while you have to eat hammer light hits until you're dead.

Straight up, it has to work in PvP for it to be a stun-lock. Allant standing there and eating hits because his AI randomly what itself for 10 seconds ≠ stun-lock. Some hit-stun in a hit ≠ stun-locked. You understand this, right? Again, if I hit you with standing fierce in Street Fighter and you just stand there and I keep throwing standing fierce and you keep eating them, that's not a combo or stun-lock despite you suffering hit-stun. You can CHOOSE to block or do something else.

Now:
PSN

I said hit-stun.
Hit-stun ≠ stun-lock. Dagger cannot stun-lock.
PSN now, or stay silent, you useless pussy. I will show you a real stun-lock.

They cannot stun-lock. The amount of stun they apply is LESS than the time it takes for them to attack again. That is WHY in you cannot stun-lock with a dagger in PvP: the player will roll out.
Again, see:

I said hit-stun.
Hit-stun ≠ stun-lock. Dagger cannot stun-lock.
PSN now, or stay silent, you useless pussy. I will show you a real stun-lock.

It is not a stun-lock unless you can successfully do it in PvP.
Furthermore, your opinion of tiers does not matter because you do not understand what makes the weapons good. This has already been expressed. You will be dismissed by anybody that has played the game when it was current. When called out to duel, you will cower, so you cannot prove the superiority of your claims. I can body you with practically any weapon type since dagger is so poor of a weapon. There is nothing more for you to say

Any player can break out of that attack, therefore it isn't a stub-lock. Allant having shitty AI or no answers for dagger light spam ≠ dagger stun-locks on light hit.

Okay. Try it on a black phantom NPC. See if they evade it. Post that Webm
Again:
Not a stun-lock unless it works in PvP.
Hit-stun ≠ stun-lock.

Okay, post the webm when done. We can chuckle when the NPC rolls out.

Okay, post the webm when done. We can chuckle when the NPC rolls out.

>no reply
BTFO

Daggers don't stun-lock in PvP and Allant is only going to beat r1 spam by backwards float. It's pretty easy to get a kill where Allant just stands there and tries to attack instead of evading. Again, it's like the standing fierce analogy:
The computer eating repeated fiercest doesn't make it a real combo. It's just coincidence or the computer trying to do something moronic. If he said the dagger was frame trapping him, I would agree. That's still not a hit-stun. This guy doesn't know the difference and you don't either if you agree with him. The reality is Allant is a poorly programmed boss but that doesn't mean secret dagger can make a true stun-lock.

Ironically, the games without any poise whatsoever, Demon's, BB, and Sekiro, play the best.

>It's objectively a nerf and made a useful option into medicore shit for terrible weapon types.
You should play Demon's Souls in that case. Hyper armor makes literally every weapon viable and it has the best weapon tiers in terms of balance.
>Options are supposed to be useful and strong, not worthless crap.
Auto includes in 99.99% of builds don't strike me as meaningful choices. DS1 poise never required you to give up anything—a choice means choosing one active path over another—and the effect was basically broken.
Say what you want, it's never coming back and that's because even the devs no it's awful. All the games without any poise whatsoever okay better than Dark 1.

What were the worst changes DS1 made from DeS?

That's all the bosses in the series.

But the puzzle bosses are only fun fighting once.

Mid-level checkpoints. The thrill of exploring new areas is gradually reduced to "I hope I can find the next bonfire soon" the less healing you have left.

Fair, I'd say second half placements aren't that bad, if anything the warping points that are kinda questionable there (Tomb of the Giant's one for example). From the gameplay perspective they feel kinda arbitrary, I guess it comes with the seamless world structure but often after reaching a mid-level bonfire you stop caring about the part of the level before it. DeS sometimes did that with the bosses instead but the levels were still pretty big on their own and were treated like one big area you traverse and explore at your own pace without your healing limiting you. I personally also find the in-universe laws about bonfires to be flimsy at best like most things DaS did for gameplay reasons first.

>What's the middle ground, moron?
Not being able to accumulate a whole 161 poise with full havel's+wolf ring, but also being able to have enough poise to not get combo'd out by 2 dogs or some dexgay's needledick rapier.

You really don't want to cite DeS, newfriend, trust me

>I can't possibly understand why free armor is better than conditional armor
It's not free. You need to invest into endurance/vit and increase your equip load in order to accumulate more poise. Hyper armor is bad because it makes whether an attack will stagger or not determined by which frame of an attack animation the target is on. It's extremely nebulous and unreliable.

>since DS1 had all these moronic balance issues around poise
DS1 had way worse problems than poise, and any balance issues around poise (which were entirely in pve) were a result of simply being able to accumulate too much of it.

>These stats are auto-includes in any build
umm.. no Black person.. they're not

>Okay Demon's Souls and come back. All attacks with hyper armor in Demon's have hyper in frame one.
I dont understand how you can have a problem with passive poise, but then think frame 1 hyperarmor is just fine.

>Meanwhile in Demon's, hyper armor was never considered broken
nobody played des

>DS1's poise was also broken in PvP. I no idea why you think walking through a proper punish to BS someone is a good thing in PvP, but it isn't.
Most backstabs in DS1 are a result of the insane latency and backstab registration issues, not necessarily poise. Elden Ring has passive poise and backstabs of the sort arent nearly as prevalent or obnoxious. Also, the scenario you described is a skill issue. Don't leave your back open to someone who can poise through your attack.

>Every build runs Vit and End, you fricking Black person ape.
no they fricking do not. you're completely clueless.

>It's almost like you never hear anything about DES hyper being busted, yet a vocal majority of series vets say DS1 poise is broken.
again nobody played des, and your 'vocal majority of vets' is what, 1 or 2 youtubers? 1 or 2 guys on reddit? and even I said poise was too easy to accumulate in DS1, but there's not an innate problem with being able to get a functional amount of passive poise.

>You're pivoting.
it's not a pivot at all. poise has nothing to do with how moronic backstabs were in ds1.

>No skill issue either, it just made the PvP worse.
If DS1 had DS3 type poise and every single attack staggered+combo'd, it'd be 100x more moronic than it already is. DS3 is a moronic clusterfrick of r1 spam and just trying to land first, but at least it has good latency so it feels a lot better.

If you’re using a large weapon and not investing into int then you’re moronic
>I’ll just not get hit!
playing the weapon unoptimally, hyperarmor is an asset. same can be said with poise, there’s no reason to have poise if you just die in a hit or two anyway, at that point just light roll.

>with certain setups
but magic bullshit in every other DS game is fine or what?