What makes Iron Hands OP? Also, does Flutter Mane also need a nerf?

What makes Iron Hands OP? Also, does Flutter Mane also need a nerf?

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  1. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    Having better stats than frickin Groudon maybe idk

  2. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    Belly Drum attack maximising + Quark Drive/Booster Energy choice band-like attack boost w/out being locked in + 140 Attack stat + 120 BP STAB move + Terastallizing STAB Boost

    Not mention great bulk and recovery through drain punch

  3. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    >one of the highest HP stats in the game
    >massive fricking attack
    >above average defense
    >spdef isn't even THAT bad especially with AV
    >bad spatk isn't a weakness on a physical attackers
    >speed is a lot less important in doubles than it is in singles
    >Fake Out
    >serviceable recovery thanks to Drain Punch
    It's wild that so many VGC players thought Bundle was the best for so long. This shit is unironically more broken than Flutter Mane.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      It's capable of stall, so it stays

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      >It's wild that so many VGC players thought Bundle was the best for so long
      I think people slept on most of the future paradoxes because electric terrain is kinda ass until we get tapu koko back, but Iron Hands is just too cracked

      It's capable of stall, so it stays

      Rent-free, moron

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      Hands had better usage than Bundle since day one of Series 2/Reg B.

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      >speed is a lot less important in doubles than it is in singles
      i thought speed control (tailwind, twave, etc) was one of the biggest things in doubles/vgc?

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        Speed control is the reason, yeah. In singles, if you’re slower than the other guy, then you likely aren’t winning the matchup, and you’ll take up an entire turn switching into something else that will be vulnerable to their move. This is mostly why Smogon tends to ban fast attackers, because often your only option against them is giving them turns where you’re totally vulnerable. In doubles if you’re slower than the other guy, you have a second pokemon on the field to support your attacker- tailwind, twave, trick room, fake out, playing the prediction game and hoping they don’t target down that slot. All ways of alleviating the disadvantage of that matchup.

        • 7 months ago
          Anonymous

          oh yeah then that makes sense lol, i figured speed was still important for moving first but didnt consider how speed control alleviates that shit instead of making fast mons faster
          am regarded
          hands mustve also buttraped in the few weeks everyone and their mother ran trick room when luna dropped

          • 7 months ago
            Anonymous

            >oh yeah then that makes sense lol, i figured speed was still important for moving first but didnt consider how speed control alleviates that shit instead of making fast mons faster
            Nta but don't forget that in doubles really useful moves like follow me and rage powder have natural priority as well so it's easier to keep attacks off your slow mon

  4. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    >dude hariyama is a fricking robot now LMAO
    paradox mons were a mistake

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      Nah you are.

      >let's turn hydreigon into a robot and then call it A NEW POKEMON!!!
      paradox mons, without a single shadow of doubt, were a mistake

      Nah you are.

  5. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    i struggle the living shit vs that mons, feels like it does everything.

  6. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    HI GUYS!

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      >let's turn hydreigon into a robot and then call it A NEW POKEMON!!!
      paradox mons, without a single shadow of doubt, were a mistake

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      Worst paradox

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        More than Thorns or Leaves?

    • 7 months ago
      Anonymous

      Are the secondary heads really separate? That's really cool. He could probably shoot them off like drones

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        it seems like they were always just arms and not actual heads since original hydreigon

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        Yeah. The heads aren’t connected to the main body at all.

      • 7 months ago
        Anonymous

        Yeah. The heads aren’t connected to the main body at all.

        Missed opportunity of giving it dragon darts with a unique animation. I know it has dogshit physical attack but still

  7. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    Flutter would be balanced if it didn't have Moonblast, it's annoying that they realized this for Tapu Koko but gave it something even faster and stronger

  8. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    Iron Hands and Flutter Mane are the most minmaxed paradoxes, each having an absolutely massive movepool.

  9. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    hes the best

  10. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    Iron Hands is cute

  11. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    av existence, this thing cannot be one shoted at all, and any moron can give you problem playing with this

  12. 7 months ago
    Anonymous

    I love this badnik-looking motherfricker like you wouldn't believe.

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