I mean, clearly, it is a power fantasy, but there must be something more intricate. I don't get it, I have always cared more about empire management.
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What makes map painting fun?
For me the fun of map painting games comes from
>historic context
some nations appeal to me, and some nations I want to destroy. Historic map painter games appeal to this fantasy.
>simulation
it's fun to watch how the world develops over several hundred years of frickery when the game caters to AI ability to always deliver a varying outcome, and that outcome makes some amount of sense
>I have always cared more about empire management.
What do you mean by 'empire management' and what do you enjoy about it?
>it's fun to watch how the world develops
I don't see anything fun is absolute border gore and how everything is abstracted.
>What do you mean by 'empire management' and what do you enjoy about it?
In Imperator your empire requires maintenance in order not to be crippled if you ignore the governors, they will pocked all taxes. If you ignore pops, they will migrate elsewhere. So you are forced into keeping everybody happy by building things and shuffling things. Peace gameplay in a decent size empire is fun in Imperator. Naturally, I can't really manage it.
If you can't manage Imperator's mechanics you're unironically probably 105 IQ and should be ignored on these matters. Stick to eu4 and mobile games.
Also, "empire management" is just adding a gameplay element to the role playing for why you're blobbing. An empire is literally a blob, it's defined by territorial expansion.
>If you can't manage Imperator's mechanics you're unironically probably 105 IQ and should be ignored on these matters
Reading disorder? I never said I couldn't manage them, I said if you ignore them they will become a problem.
>Naturally, I can't really manage it.
>I never said I couldn't manage them
Who is supposed to have the reading disorder?
oh, that was actually a typo
, I can't really manage it.
was meant to be
>Naturally, AI can't really manage it.
Naturally here refers to fact that in most PDX games AI can't manage most mechanics.
Freudian slip
Map painting lets people impose visual order and unity on chaos.
It's cathartic to see things be filled in as they should. It's what every mobile game is built around, and why Ubisoft open world games that are glorified checklists are so popular.
Damn I really am just a Black personcattle goyim
For me it's a form of escapism. I can avoid thinking about all my mounting problems and let time pass rapidly.
All belongs to mother Russia and her borders are never far enough from St. Petersburg.
The fun of map painting is forming a fantasy country in game or creating a plausible fantasy country.
Literally nothing?
When I was a kid, like 20 years before I would learn about Paradox, I would autisticaly use paint on my PC to imagine pretend battles
fricking same but i used to print out maps and use colored pencils to paint countries
god im autistic but its ok
i love building tall and with there was more to do in euiv. Vicy is the best thing so far but i havent bothered picking up imperator yet.
Ck2 is the best game for playing tall. Wit buildings you can become rich and get a big army that blobs have, or you can use your money and get a small but elite specialist retinue. Also while playing small you have sooo much shit to do. But family members on foreign thrones, meddle in geo-politics by joining wars and making alliances or helping rebellions in foreign kingdoms. In eu4 playing talk fricking blows, but it’s great in vicky obviously
>Ck2 is the best game for playing tall.
Playing tall is meaningless without pops and resources.
>Wit buildings you can become rich and get a big army that blobs have
Classic map-painting gimmick of EU4. CK2 and CK3 are still mappainters, no matter how much you cry about "much character-focused roleplay".
I liked playing tall in CK2, but it fricking blows in CK3
did you guys use the basic shapes of the paintbrush to have LAZER battles between squares and circles?
It's not fun. There's nothing tactically interesting or enjoyable in painting the map because, at that point, you've already won and get nothing tangible from further games.
>I don't get it, I have always cared more about empire management.
this is me. I like caring for the history of my population and world that I'm building. When I stop playing to go to bed, I like to imagine what it's like for average citizens in my empire, do some agree or disagree with my politics and actions, are they satisfied in life, what are their values. I've done this since Civ II.
i don´t know but i feel like that if you enjoy strategy games in general you have the potential to have administrative skills that you can use in real life, like running a business, it´s all the same at the end of the day, you want your endeavor to suceed
i don´t care about blobbing itself personally, i like to take a medium sized nation and play through realpolitik lenses and see if i can gain win in diplomacy and war
I don't care for pdox map painters, besides CK2, which I play both for map and religion painting but also rpg dynasty sim. For games in general, gaining territory is satisfying if you feel like it's strategal, not just blobbing unstoppable all the time.
>Le map painting bad!
Okay, say that to Napoleon, Alexander or Caesar lole. What else are you going to do in a map strategy game. Stare at the still map? Even in games like ck where its more character-based, it's still a good idea to nab territory.
It is called defensive imperialism.
Caesar invaded Gauls because the Germanic people were about to invade it, a few decades earlier Germanics came close to closely invading Cisalpine Gaul, so the Romans feared that if they overrun the Gaul they will become too powerful. So, wienerblocking them was the only way, additionally, it helped Caesar further Caesar's political career.
Napoleon only declared one war, the war on Russia (because Russia broke the treaty), all other wars were attacked on him and the seething Brits spend 10% of their whole budget instigating revolts against him.
>What else are you going to do in a map strategy game.
Again, empire-manage.
>Even in games like ck where its more character-based, it's still a good idea to nab territory.
Because the game is shit, historical feudal warfare was motivated by the need to showcase martial prowess and authority.
>was motivated by the need to showcase martial prowess and authority.
That's way too simplified.
Numbers get bigger
Personally, I live and breath for the death war. Creating and running a country who sole purpose is to destroy another who has diffrent advantages but comparable(preferably greater) power. One of the most fun wars i had in EU4 was my friend deccing on me as muscovy and him as poland while I was fighting Novgorod. I pushed him back from the gates of Moscow and ran him all the way back to warsaw because i raped him in a few battles after liquidating my country and pushed him back to warsaw for his refusal to surrender the smolensk fort. Campaign died shortly after due to others autism tho.
It's escapism, roleplaying and a cope for my own powerlessness to affect the status quo irl. It's fun to imagine how much better the world could be
>German bosporous
vgh..
Miklagard reborn
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Mammoth
>Operation Mammoth was a German special forces mission in 1943 by the German military, during World War II, for a team of two German Army officers, led by Major Gottfried Müller and accompanied by a Kurdish activist Ramzi Nafi Agha, to start a rebellion of the Iraqi Kurds in an attempt to expel the British from the region, gain control of the oil fields, and somehow deliver them to the Wehrmacht because Operation Barbarossa was not progressing as it was expected in reaching the Caucasus. In return for ejecting the British, the Kurds would be assisted in creating an independent Kurdistan.
VGH
>VGH
Velocity, Gravity, and Height, indeed
Playing purely for map painting sounds autistic as frick, even to me as a big grand strategy fan. Personally I play for the historical RP and the empire building element, not just "I made X bigger xd".
I enjoy setting out goals for myself, I like getting achievements, I like doing unorthodox things. I like having a unique campaign that really does feel like a special experience. I think CK2 does this kind of thing best. Christianize India. How am I gonna do it? Do I play on playing as a horde and invading? Or maybe creating a secret society and taking over.
Its like a global sandbox to do whatever you want, no matter how counterintuitive or unorthodox your approach might be. The real expression of skill and knowledge is successfully achieving my goals with the tools at my disposal. In one game I form Westphalia s Cilli by noCBing into a German minor and joining HRE. In another, I escape to the new world as Candar to get the Turkish delight achievement by conquering The Isles in the Sottish highlands. In another I play as France, escape to the New World, form Quebec, and conquer the UK just for funsies. Play as Madyas and convert Mexico to Filipino culture.
LARPing is fun too
I don't think setting goals works in games like CK where you are supposed to play as a character and not a state. If you play as the characters you should probably have very personified goals for every ruler. I see this as the most unimmersive thing about the game series, because historically many great empires were changed because the ruler's kid had different priorities, e.g. Edward I was moving a huge army to crush Robert the Bruce (who was on his last legs), but he died en route, and Edward II turned the army around allowing Robert years to gather his strength. If that happened to the player, well...
If you have more fun roleplaying than that's up to you but when I play crusader kings I tend to metagame. I hire the court tutor with the best stats, I try to get rid of gavelkind ASAP, if I'm educating my heir I ALWAYS make him my rival so he gets ambitious, I marry for traits as well as to get unique bloodlines in my dynasty, I get excited if I'm forced to play as a woman so I can join the satanic society and impregnate myself with the spawn of the devil, I look up religion reformation policies on the wiki, I try to have a small number of large, but manageable vassals rather than a ton of weak ones. I will use whatever kind of underhanded tactics like murder, execution, castration, imprisonment, or cuckolding to obtain my goals. I do still roleplay some but it all leads to whatever my end goal is, usually acquiring more wealth and land in pursuit of the objective. If I gave each character unique motivations and goals then why would I care about playing as my heir, or the state of the realm they may inherit?
Yeah I don't get your play style man
There's nothing wrong with metagaming. The game actively encourages you to sort through stats n shiet liek that. All the information is at your fingertips.
All those that say its for roleplay only are wrong. It isn't built for roleplay. CK3 only has the stress system to enforce the roleplay and thats it.
Stress system is fundamentally awful
I play map painting games because I have a stressful white collar job which means im mentally taxed by the end of the day and thinking about work all the time. Map painting games are low-impact, relaxing, and not especially difficult while being engaging enough to occupy my attention and stop me from thinking about IRL shit.
In other words, playing Victoria 2 while listening to an audiobook is what I do to decompress and escape real life shit.
I would drink more but alcohol always makes me feel bad the next day, even if its a really small amount, so I only drink when I am out with friends or something.
Have you considered playing Pokémon Go instead?
I think a lot of it is aesthetic. Memes are said about how people "rank" the colours of countries but its true, its quite enjoyable to have a funky colour to paint the map with. And the more important part is trying to create aesthetically pleasing Empires, hence why I often abandon games when there is nothing good-looking left to invade, as it would just ruin the feel of the Empire. I particularly like painting in early game crowded regions in ways that weren't done historically, like a thick Bohemia that eats up Saxon states, for instance, or one of the French minors that gets to grow like a tumor on the borders of both France and Germany. And I absolutely love naval or trade powers where they creep around the shorelines. Its a calming experience.