Marche the cuck: Defending his friends and brother from bullies in the real world, NOPE.
Marche the cuck: Destroying an inoffensive fantasy world where everyone is happy, YABBA DABBA DOOOO!!!
Cuck character. cuck game. Anti-escapism is trash.
I mean at least Luso is a good-natured kid. Marche is envious of his friends and brother’s happiness and broods evil is heart while pretending to have their backs.
Generic anti-escapism message from the point of view of someone(the devs) who likely hadn't been anywhere even close to the state where you'd want to throw away the reality. >But you have to do so because... Because I said so!
Like, what difference does it make if he'll just stay there and not bother anyone? But, no, some self-entitled butthole gets to decide what's best for you and drag you out into the place that's not appealing or hospitable to you and destroy what have you solace.
Square loves this anti-escapism stuff. If you think FFTA is bad you should go watch that Dragon Quest CG movie.
Generic anti-escapism message from the point of view of someone(the devs) who likely hadn't been anywhere even close to the state where you'd want to throw away the reality. >But you have to do so because... Because I said so!
Like, what difference does it make if he'll just stay there and not bother anyone? But, no, some self-entitled butthole gets to decide what's best for you and drag you out into the place that's not appealing or hospitable to you and destroy what have you solace.
>Generic anti-escapism message from the point of view of someone(the devs) who likely hadn't been anywhere even close to the state where you'd want to throw away the reality.
Yup. Just as obnoxious as the "videogames are bad!" message in Muv-Luv... as delivered through a videogame.
According to some anons who have yet to provide proof of the lines, the original JP version explained that the grimoire responsible for pulling everyone into Ivalice was slowly draining their life force. So instead of a genuine alternative plane of existence with cute choco bunny girls it was actually a malicious illusion that would eventually kill everyone.
it's not even "the original jp version," that shit is in the fricking english text, too. it just isn't in that specific cutscene that everyone always shows. and that having been said, it was pretty clearly thrown in at the last minute as a rationalization for why they can't stay in that world because the devs couldn't think of anything else.
>the grimoire responsible for pulling everyone into Ivalice was slowly draining their life force
You know the writers know their argument is shit when they resort to cheap cop outs like this.
it's not even "the original jp version," that shit is in the fricking english text, too. it just isn't in that specific cutscene that everyone always shows. and that having been said, it was pretty clearly thrown in at the last minute as a rationalization for why they can't stay in that world because the devs couldn't think of anything else.
>that shit is in the fricking english text, too
It's been well over a decade since my last replay, so I just have forgot. When was this mentioned?
it wasn't
it is a cut plot point that did not make it into any version of the game. It was in earlier drafts of the story and was taken out.
>it was actually a malicious illusion that would eventually kill everyone
It always is, anon. It always is.
No matter if the game tells you directly or not.
It's part of the damage that long term escapism does to you mentally.
I'd call it a poor translation. But they completely recontextualize the scenes in English.
In the Japanese version, Babus is more or less aware that Mewt is from another Ivalice from the beginning.
He's never in doubt that the world is this composite of Reality and Illusion. Besides being Court Mage and Runeseeker, he's a nu mou. They specialize in controlling "the mist". He's knows the importance of the crystals. He knows to some extent that Mewt wish for things to be way they are now. But he doesn't understand the desire/hope behind it. He just wants to keep things stable.
So he is caught off guard by Marche who knows more than he should. And realizes that the wish/hope wasn't solely Mewt.
Babus interrogates Marche like "What do you know? (About what Mewt wants)"
This is like their very first conversation. IIRC Marche didn't even know Mewt was in the world until he saw an image of him after shattering the first crystal.
Marche is like, "I don't know what Mewt hoped for. All I know is that Ivalice was covered in snow before, not desert." Like he's guessing that Mewt hated snow or something. Connecting to the snowy pass and the undead that share the names of the playground bullies from the beginning snowball fight.
In later encounters with Babus, Marche tries to explain that there are others here and that their desires are clues. Ritz, Donned, and even Cid. Babus is like "Judgemaster Cid? No way, you're lying."
The biggest change between English and Japanese was that Cid was mourning his wife, drank to forget, and wished he could change the law so Mewt could drink with him instead of being alone. In that ending, he got a new drinking partner. But in English, they gave him an unspecified injury that made him less productive so he was losing his job; and in the ending he got hired for a new job.
This encounter, fighting the Exodus Fruit, is really meant to be about Judgemaster Cid. Reminding him that he drank (wine, I assume) to forget Remedi. Recognizing that his wife is dead; Queen Remedi is a fake. They shatter the crystal, and Cid leaves the castle because he is running from the memory of his wife. And Babus is in disbelief because it can't be what Mewt wants. And everyone's desires are in contradiction to each other.
Wow, that's way more mature than the vagueness that was the English translation. I knew he was a drunk, but that's a bridge too far for what was considered a kid's game at the time. Still, it works way better.
I think it was more of a cultural attitude.
Like, Japan doesn't see drinking to get drunk as substance abuse. It's drinking by oneself ~alone~ that's irresponsible.
It's BAD to bottle things up. To be "Mute".
It's GOOD to let it out. Making inebriation a "Remedy".
But in context to a parental relationship. It just looks like child neglect. Even though Cid sees Mewt with friends and thinks "he's fine".
The fact is, that Mewt was never in contact with the others. Leaving Babus to believe that Marche isn't Mewt's friend. Because if they were, they'd be together. Right?
Then of course, Remedi makes a doppleganger of Marche, "llednar" (His last named spelled backwards). And realizes, ok, maybe they are friends but Remedi is a bad mom that's isolating him.
The question is, how badly did Mewt want to be reunited with his dead mother?
How much was it just Queen Remedi aka The Grimoire securing her position?
Who cares about Mewt? What FF fan wouldn't want to live in a fantasy world where you're the top dog, get to go on adventures and have an infinite supply of brown bunny pussy? That's literally what every FF fan would want. That's why Marche's attitude comes off as unrealistic.
There's actually a trend in Square Enix games with sentient grimoires and mass sacrifice. There's definitely an underlying monomyth there, even if it's accidental.
At the very least, you could tie the ivalice games together with Threads of Fate and Vagrant Story.
You'd think FFTA and FFTA2 would have more lore surrounding grimoires since they're key to the plots.
1 month ago
Anonymous
FF Tactics is technically a book world too
1 month ago
Anonymous
So, what you're saying is that all FFT games take place in books... Just like Winnie the Pooh in the KH series.
I wonder if in an alternate timeline the KH series had you going to Ivalice instead of the Hundred Acre Woods...
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Anonymous
Well, Chain of Memories was originally on the GBA with Tactics Advanced. Possible but unlikely.
I can absolutely see Orran Durai making a cameo in CoM with the card mechanics.
In fact, I can see DiZ a.k.a. Ansem the wise as originally being Arazlam, the investigating the war of the lions and the durai papers. With Orran being this memory data construct.
>What FF fan wouldn't want to live in a fantasy world where you're the top dog, get to go on adventures and have an infinite supply of brown bunny pussy?
I'm not an isekuck. I'd rather have my shit life, than a fake one. If I live long enough for a matrix-type virtual reality, I'll refuse it 100% of the time. >That's literally what every FF fan would want.
Only you isekucks want that, speak for yourself. >That's why Marche's attitude comes off as unrealistic.
Not at all, he comes across as someone with morals and understanding. Though I wouldn't expect your type of people to understand these concepts.
>. I'd rather have my shit life, than a fake one. If I live long enough for a matrix-type virtual reality, I'll refuse it 100% of the time.
Wow you're so deep and mature, fricking moron
1 month ago
Anonymous
So what are you basing the assumption someone values authenticity to appear deep and mature on? Without anything else to go on, you have to use yourself as a reference point, meaning you're just projection your own vanity.
The social acceptability of alcohol is different in Japan vs the west. Japan sees an alcoholic as a required part of their lives. In the west, an alcoholic is a bad person, damaging himself and those around him.
It doesn't mean the same thing, so it has to be changed.
If we would have gotten drunken Judgemaster Cid, we'd all be questioning his ability to be a Judgemaster, and not someone we should be listening to. We don't see it as an acceptable way of dealing with emotional pain. While it is a way that we deal with that type of pain, those people get shunned, they're not the people who can hold down such complex and important jobs. We would question Cid's ability to Judgemaster.
The message of the game isn't that escapism is inherently wrong. It's that escapism is inherently weak. Even if you try to discard the world for treating you like shit, a Marche is going to show up and drag you back involuntarily, and escaping can't protect you from him. Yes, Marche is the villain of the story.
His problem was that he had no problem. He wasn't the one who had something to escape from until the world got changed then when he had to actually deal with shit he couldn't.
Reminder that the ONLY reason Marche goes into overdrive about killing not!Ivalice is because he wants to punish his crippled brother for wanting to actually have a life.
Marche DOES NOT grow up from this adventure. >Mewt and Mewt's Dad
Finally find the strength to move on from the death of Mewt's mother >Ritz
Learns to stop caring what people think of hair and take pride in herself >Donel
Gains the courage to make friends at school >Marche
FRICKING NOTHING. He still hates his parents for spending extra time with Donel and still hates Donel for being crippled.
>burgers can't handle a story that the lead character is already a good person and has no reason to grow >burgers are so hopelessly addicted to the hero's journey
The sad part is, that there's more than one story type, but burgers refuse the rest of them. They need their main character to go on a hero's journey. Without actually understanding the meaning around it. They've just been fed that formula so many times, that it's all they know.
You do understand that the reason for the hero's journey, is that the hero is out of place, right? They go on the journey, to rediscover themselves. Marche doesn't need it, because he's already correct. Mewt is the one that goes on it.
>If he's so good why he didn't defend himself and his friends against the bullies?
Being morally good, does not mean you are capable of physically defending yourself. The hero's journey isn't for getting big and strong, working out is for that. The hero's journey is about your emotional/psychological/mental development.
Did you even read the hero's journey picture? It's all about the character's internal growth/development, and not about the physical development.
It's pretty obvious that it doesn't apply to Marche, but does apply to Marche's friends.
>. I'd rather have my shit life, than a fake one. If I live long enough for a matrix-type virtual reality, I'll refuse it 100% of the time.
Wow you're so deep and mature, fricking moron
>Wow you're so deep and mature, fricking moron >no counterargument >insults me instead
I accept your defeat.
Reminder that the ONLY reason Marche goes into overdrive about killing not!Ivalice is because he wants to punish his crippled brother for wanting to actually have a life.
Marche DOES NOT grow up from this adventure. >Mewt and Mewt's Dad
Finally find the strength to move on from the death of Mewt's mother >Ritz
Learns to stop caring what people think of hair and take pride in herself >Donel
Gains the courage to make friends at school >Marche
FRICKING NOTHING. He still hates his parents for spending extra time with Donel and still hates Donel for being crippled.
Marche is a cruel and vindictive guy.
>If he's so good why he didn't defend himself and his friends against the bullies?
Being morally good, does not mean you are capable of physically defending yourself. The hero's journey isn't for getting big and strong, working out is for that. The hero's journey is about your emotional/psychological/mental development.
Did you even read the hero's journey picture? It's all about the character's internal growth/development, and not about the physical development.
It's pretty obvious that it doesn't apply to Marche, but does apply to Marche's friends.
[...] >Wow you're so deep and mature, fricking moron >no counterargument >insults me instead
I accept your defeat.
Marche isn't a hero. He's a fricking 4th grader who realized the magical "solves all your problems" land they were in was eating their souls. That's why his one hang up is seeing his crippled little brother actually getting to run around. It's something only a little kid would take as a slight.
It was a based game, from a based time. Before all you isekaigays ruined fiction. Escapism is fine in small doses, not a lifestyle.
Marche is based af.
He's objectively correct
This is literally an IQ test, if you think otherwise its because you're an NPC peon with no thoughts
Hardship is an integral part of life, without it life has no meaning and there can be no happiness, what you want is pure hedonism
>Hardship is an integral part of life, without it life has no meaning and there can be no happiness
Sadly liberals do not realise this and feel they need protecting from any hardships in life.
"Oh no! I feel so triggered I need a safespace. I'm gonna call the police to report a hate crime!"
That's what I'd sound like if a was you. Although thinking about it, I could decided to identify as a police officer and arrest you myself, it would save some time.
True, adversity is integral to human happiness. But throughout the game you run in to characters facing all kinds of adversity, and you as the player can take on some of that adversity as your own.
So clearly, the world, while escapism for some isn't complete escapism from all forms of challenge.
>adversity is integral to happiness
Proof? You dont habe one, everyone faced adversity once, I'm tired of morons going >hurr hurr well without bad thing that happens to everyone you wouldn't be happy! No there hasn't been one single person that had a life without bad thing happening to prove my claim
I think the real issue is there's a huge difference between simply not having murder, rape and being cripple and other stuff like that and having zero challenge everything being an instant win in life.
All I said was that you would find something lacking in life if everything was just given to you on a silver platter. And that people in Ivalice (the fantasy land) do face adversity in their lives so it negates the argument that 'it's all just escapism, it's not healthy!'.
I think I worded myself poorly or you just didn't get what I was trying to say.
I think the real issue is there's a huge difference between simply not having murder, rape and being cripple and other stuff like that and having zero challenge everything being an instant win in life.
This guy gets it.
High fantasy Arabian aesthetic in this game was top kino
>High fantasy Arabian aesthetic in this game was top kino
It really, really was. The fantasy races were also a massive breath of fresh air when I was a kid and they still hold up in both design and concept.
>Marche had a life outside of Ivalice
Lol lmao, did any of you pay attention to the game? His father walked out, his mother ignores him, he lost all of his friends when they moved to St. Ivalice and Marche is forced to sacrifice everything except for the bare minimum to take care of Doned.
Marche the cuck: Defending his friends and brother from bullies in the real world, NOPE.
Marche the cuck: Destroying an inoffensive fantasy world where everyone is happy, YABBA DABBA DOOOO!!!
Cuck character. cuck game. Anti-escapism is trash.
This is why A2 is the clearly superior game.
Frick off, A2 is clearly the best RPG-Tactics, not even Ogre Tactics: Reborn is to it's level.
I mean at least Luso is a good-natured kid. Marche is envious of his friends and brother’s happiness and broods evil is heart while pretending to have their backs.
Square loves this anti-escapism stuff. If you think FFTA is bad you should go watch that Dragon Quest CG movie.
I usually don't mind not having a choice to change the story jrpgs but this makes the mc so unlikable I do
What about the people who are turned into straight up monsters? Do they just get fricked because Mewt wants to have his fun?
>muh bullies
Handheld games are shit.
people are already playing AAA pc games on handhelds
rope
>people
morons
not an argument.
smart people don't argue with morons.
No, they arent
they literally are dumbfrick
what do you think the switch is?
a waste of time and money
many people playing AAA pc games on the switch sirs
Generic anti-escapism message from the point of view of someone(the devs) who likely hadn't been anywhere even close to the state where you'd want to throw away the reality.
>But you have to do so because... Because I said so!
Like, what difference does it make if he'll just stay there and not bother anyone? But, no, some self-entitled butthole gets to decide what's best for you and drag you out into the place that's not appealing or hospitable to you and destroy what have you solace.
>Generic anti-escapism message from the point of view of someone(the devs) who likely hadn't been anywhere even close to the state where you'd want to throw away the reality.
Yup. Just as obnoxious as the "videogames are bad!" message in Muv-Luv... as delivered through a videogame.
According to some anons who have yet to provide proof of the lines, the original JP version explained that the grimoire responsible for pulling everyone into Ivalice was slowly draining their life force. So instead of a genuine alternative plane of existence with cute choco bunny girls it was actually a malicious illusion that would eventually kill everyone.
it's not even "the original jp version," that shit is in the fricking english text, too. it just isn't in that specific cutscene that everyone always shows. and that having been said, it was pretty clearly thrown in at the last minute as a rationalization for why they can't stay in that world because the devs couldn't think of anything else.
>that shit is in the fricking english text, too
It's been well over a decade since my last replay, so I just have forgot. When was this mentioned?
>the grimoire responsible for pulling everyone into Ivalice was slowly draining their life force
You know the writers know their argument is shit when they resort to cheap cop outs like this.
He says before returning to his seventh edging session of the day
it wasn't
it is a cut plot point that did not make it into any version of the game. It was in earlier drafts of the story and was taken out.
yeah man, i totally just invented it in my mind and it doesn't actually exist.
I'm glad we've reached an agreement.
being unable to recognize sarcasm is a strong indicator of autism.
>it was actually a malicious illusion that would eventually kill everyone
It always is, anon. It always is.
No matter if the game tells you directly or not.
It's part of the damage that long term escapism does to you mentally.
>it was actually a malicious illusion that would eventually kill everyone.
IRL things will kill you eventually , anon. can't you see that it's just MORTALITY?!?!
Marche did nothing wrong.
Frick Marche
I'd call it a poor translation. But they completely recontextualize the scenes in English.
In the Japanese version, Babus is more or less aware that Mewt is from another Ivalice from the beginning.
He's never in doubt that the world is this composite of Reality and Illusion. Besides being Court Mage and Runeseeker, he's a nu mou. They specialize in controlling "the mist". He's knows the importance of the crystals. He knows to some extent that Mewt wish for things to be way they are now. But he doesn't understand the desire/hope behind it. He just wants to keep things stable.
So he is caught off guard by Marche who knows more than he should. And realizes that the wish/hope wasn't solely Mewt.
Babus interrogates Marche like "What do you know? (About what Mewt wants)"
This is like their very first conversation. IIRC Marche didn't even know Mewt was in the world until he saw an image of him after shattering the first crystal.
Marche is like, "I don't know what Mewt hoped for. All I know is that Ivalice was covered in snow before, not desert." Like he's guessing that Mewt hated snow or something. Connecting to the snowy pass and the undead that share the names of the playground bullies from the beginning snowball fight.
In later encounters with Babus, Marche tries to explain that there are others here and that their desires are clues. Ritz, Donned, and even Cid. Babus is like "Judgemaster Cid? No way, you're lying."
The biggest change between English and Japanese was that Cid was mourning his wife, drank to forget, and wished he could change the law so Mewt could drink with him instead of being alone. In that ending, he got a new drinking partner. But in English, they gave him an unspecified injury that made him less productive so he was losing his job; and in the ending he got hired for a new job.
This encounter, fighting the Exodus Fruit, is really meant to be about Judgemaster Cid. Reminding him that he drank (wine, I assume) to forget Remedi. Recognizing that his wife is dead; Queen Remedi is a fake. They shatter the crystal, and Cid leaves the castle because he is running from the memory of his wife. And Babus is in disbelief because it can't be what Mewt wants. And everyone's desires are in contradiction to each other.
Wow, that's way more mature than the vagueness that was the English translation. I knew he was a drunk, but that's a bridge too far for what was considered a kid's game at the time. Still, it works way better.
I think it was more of a cultural attitude.
Like, Japan doesn't see drinking to get drunk as substance abuse. It's drinking by oneself ~alone~ that's irresponsible.
It's BAD to bottle things up. To be "Mute".
It's GOOD to let it out. Making inebriation a "Remedy".
But in context to a parental relationship. It just looks like child neglect. Even though Cid sees Mewt with friends and thinks "he's fine".
The fact is, that Mewt was never in contact with the others. Leaving Babus to believe that Marche isn't Mewt's friend. Because if they were, they'd be together. Right?
Then of course, Remedi makes a doppleganger of Marche, "llednar" (His last named spelled backwards). And realizes, ok, maybe they are friends but Remedi is a bad mom that's isolating him.
The question is, how badly did Mewt want to be reunited with his dead mother?
How much was it just Queen Remedi aka The Grimoire securing her position?
Who cares about Mewt? What FF fan wouldn't want to live in a fantasy world where you're the top dog, get to go on adventures and have an infinite supply of brown bunny pussy? That's literally what every FF fan would want. That's why Marche's attitude comes off as unrealistic.
The "Final Fantasy" bit was all Donned.
Yes, he can walk. But there was more to it.
They never specify his "weakness".
But I think the idea was that he wanted to be "stronger". They moved to St.Ivalice to treat him, so it wasn't necessarily a chronic illness.
Donned knew too much. It was all an elaborate plot to conceal Li Grim's incest.
It was White Chlorination Syndrome.
There's actually a trend in Square Enix games with sentient grimoires and mass sacrifice. There's definitely an underlying monomyth there, even if it's accidental.
At the very least, you could tie the ivalice games together with Threads of Fate and Vagrant Story.
You'd think FFTA and FFTA2 would have more lore surrounding grimoires since they're key to the plots.
FF Tactics is technically a book world too
So, what you're saying is that all FFT games take place in books... Just like Winnie the Pooh in the KH series.
I wonder if in an alternate timeline the KH series had you going to Ivalice instead of the Hundred Acre Woods...
Well, Chain of Memories was originally on the GBA with Tactics Advanced. Possible but unlikely.
I can absolutely see Orran Durai making a cameo in CoM with the card mechanics.
In fact, I can see DiZ a.k.a. Ansem the wise as originally being Arazlam, the investigating the war of the lions and the durai papers. With Orran being this memory data construct.
>What FF fan wouldn't want to live in a fantasy world where you're the top dog, get to go on adventures and have an infinite supply of brown bunny pussy?
I'm not an isekuck. I'd rather have my shit life, than a fake one. If I live long enough for a matrix-type virtual reality, I'll refuse it 100% of the time.
>That's literally what every FF fan would want.
Only you isekucks want that, speak for yourself.
>That's why Marche's attitude comes off as unrealistic.
Not at all, he comes across as someone with morals and understanding. Though I wouldn't expect your type of people to understand these concepts.
>. I'd rather have my shit life, than a fake one. If I live long enough for a matrix-type virtual reality, I'll refuse it 100% of the time.
Wow you're so deep and mature, fricking moron
So what are you basing the assumption someone values authenticity to appear deep and mature on? Without anything else to go on, you have to use yourself as a reference point, meaning you're just projection your own vanity.
The social acceptability of alcohol is different in Japan vs the west. Japan sees an alcoholic as a required part of their lives. In the west, an alcoholic is a bad person, damaging himself and those around him.
It doesn't mean the same thing, so it has to be changed.
If we would have gotten drunken Judgemaster Cid, we'd all be questioning his ability to be a Judgemaster, and not someone we should be listening to. We don't see it as an acceptable way of dealing with emotional pain. While it is a way that we deal with that type of pain, those people get shunned, they're not the people who can hold down such complex and important jobs. We would question Cid's ability to Judgemaster.
Marche was right and all the gays that call him the villain are morons that got bullied in real life.
homosex was the problem
Would anyone remember this game if the mc was the one in a wheelchair and he was still the one that tore it down?
The internet only remembers it because they chose an awkward off-putting character to be the message man
That would have been a lot better and remembering for being good
preachy movies, games, songs, books are the worst.
The message of the game isn't that escapism is inherently wrong. It's that escapism is inherently weak. Even if you try to discard the world for treating you like shit, a Marche is going to show up and drag you back involuntarily, and escaping can't protect you from him. Yes, Marche is the villain of the story.
>marche the cuck raped by bullies talking about muh weakness
kek
His problem was that he had no problem. He wasn't the one who had something to escape from until the world got changed then when he had to actually deal with shit he couldn't.
>What the FRICK was his problem?
He shoulda played FFT instead.
Reminder that the ONLY reason Marche goes into overdrive about killing not!Ivalice is because he wants to punish his crippled brother for wanting to actually have a life.
Marche DOES NOT grow up from this adventure.
>Mewt and Mewt's Dad
Finally find the strength to move on from the death of Mewt's mother
>Ritz
Learns to stop caring what people think of hair and take pride in herself
>Donel
Gains the courage to make friends at school
>Marche
FRICKING NOTHING. He still hates his parents for spending extra time with Donel and still hates Donel for being crippled.
Marche is a cruel and vindictive guy.
>burgers can't handle a story that the lead character is already a good person and has no reason to grow
>burgers are so hopelessly addicted to the hero's journey
The sad part is, that there's more than one story type, but burgers refuse the rest of them. They need their main character to go on a hero's journey. Without actually understanding the meaning around it. They've just been fed that formula so many times, that it's all they know.
You do understand that the reason for the hero's journey, is that the hero is out of place, right? They go on the journey, to rediscover themselves. Marche doesn't need it, because he's already correct. Mewt is the one that goes on it.
If he's so good why he didn't defend himself and his friends against the bullies?
>inb4 excuses
>If he's so good why he didn't defend himself and his friends against the bullies?
Being morally good, does not mean you are capable of physically defending yourself. The hero's journey isn't for getting big and strong, working out is for that. The hero's journey is about your emotional/psychological/mental development.
Did you even read the hero's journey picture? It's all about the character's internal growth/development, and not about the physical development.
It's pretty obvious that it doesn't apply to Marche, but does apply to Marche's friends.
>Wow you're so deep and mature, fricking moron
>no counterargument
>insults me instead
I accept your defeat.
>Being morally good, does not mean you are capable of physically defending yourself.
Someone good would try to help even if he's not strong.
>no counterargument
You didn't make an actual argument, you moronic homosexual.
Marche isn't a hero. He's a fricking 4th grader who realized the magical "solves all your problems" land they were in was eating their souls. That's why his one hang up is seeing his crippled little brother actually getting to run around. It's something only a little kid would take as a slight.
High fantasy Arabian aesthetic in this game was top kino
It was a based game, from a based time. Before all you isekaigays ruined fiction. Escapism is fine in small doses, not a lifestyle.
Marche is based af.
He's objectively correct
This is literally an IQ test, if you think otherwise its because you're an NPC peon with no thoughts
Hardship is an integral part of life, without it life has no meaning and there can be no happiness, what you want is pure hedonism
Why is it the people who spout muh NPCs have the most unoriginal and normalgay opinons
>Hardship is an integral part of life, without it life has no meaning and there can be no happiness
Sadly liberals do not realise this and feel they need protecting from any hardships in life.
Wow that sounds like fascist propaganda!
>muh libs
have a nice day election tourist
"Oh no! I feel so triggered I need a safespace. I'm gonna call the police to report a hate crime!"
That's what I'd sound like if a was you. Although thinking about it, I could decided to identify as a police officer and arrest you myself, it would save some time.
>I feel so triggered
Yeah I can tell
>Yeah I can tell
That's because I identified as you.
you don't belong here
True, adversity is integral to human happiness. But throughout the game you run in to characters facing all kinds of adversity, and you as the player can take on some of that adversity as your own.
So clearly, the world, while escapism for some isn't complete escapism from all forms of challenge.
>adversity is integral to happiness
Proof? You dont habe one, everyone faced adversity once, I'm tired of morons going
>hurr hurr well without bad thing that happens to everyone you wouldn't be happy! No there hasn't been one single person that had a life without bad thing happening to prove my claim
I think the real issue is there's a huge difference between simply not having murder, rape and being cripple and other stuff like that and having zero challenge everything being an instant win in life.
What?
All I said was that you would find something lacking in life if everything was just given to you on a silver platter. And that people in Ivalice (the fantasy land) do face adversity in their lives so it negates the argument that 'it's all just escapism, it's not healthy!'.
I think I worded myself poorly or you just didn't get what I was trying to say.
This guy gets it.
>High fantasy Arabian aesthetic in this game was top kino
It really, really was. The fantasy races were also a massive breath of fresh air when I was a kid and they still hold up in both design and concept.
>the "it's escapism" speech was at a fricking Ivalice native and not one of his friends
There are no Ivalice natives in FFTA. It isn't a real world. It is an illusion.
>the whole thing was a dream
and people defend this game?
an illusion world is not a dream, moron
These threads are so fricking moronic, I swear. Nintendo brainrot at it's finest
>nothing burger comment
he got no legs?
>Marche had a life outside of Ivalice
Lol lmao, did any of you pay attention to the game? His father walked out, his mother ignores him, he lost all of his friends when they moved to St. Ivalice and Marche is forced to sacrifice everything except for the bare minimum to take care of Doned.
who, what? Some anime bs?
Maruki was doing the equivalent of being the child of omelas as a god and in turn everyone has to settle for less so they relate to his sorrow.
And for what? So he can feel smug about he has forfeited his own existence and give almost everyone what they want but in a sloppy manner?