I was upset that he was all lucid and evil during the fight against him
I'd have much preferred if he was a gibbering mass of flesh and madness begging for release
That would have made him boring
I like what they did for him at the end by him showing his true nature that has been hinted at and seen through out his accounts of the various bosses
Yeah
The beginning of the game has you think he's sympathetic but as he explains how these came to be you realize that he was an evil bastard the whole time
Well yeah it's a pretty simple through line anon >Evil bastard >Is too evil >Digs too deep >Gets fricked up really bad >Muh failings
But he didn't have any failings so I guess they just decided to ignore that part
>so I guess they just decided to ignore that part >the swine god >the siren >the necromancers >the drowned crew >the entire fricking weald
you'd best be trolling, his failures acted as bosses throughout the entire game >captcha: GAYKWP
11 months ago
Anonymous
But if he's evil, unrepentant, and embracing the old god shit, how are those failings to him?
At best they're a funny side gig at that point
11 months ago
Anonymous
they are his experiments in the different facets of the occult in his search for "a crumb of cosmic truth"
He was basically fumbling around in the dark in terms of knowledge trying to stumble into something more profound until he eventually found it with the heart of darkness
11 months ago
Anonymous
They all failed of course
Like the flesh amalgam like that was just a botch job imagine your garbage crawls out of the garbage and attacks people
11 months ago
Anonymous
anon beat me to it, but he only became "evil" after finding the thing under the manner, everything i mentioned and more is a result of him digging deeper
The ancestor you fight is him after the Thing consumed him, so obviously he seems pretty happy about being a Black personman. The ancestor was an evil bastard but seeing the Thing made him realize how insignificant his efforts were and how bad he fricked up the world, so he wrote the letter and shot himself. The Thing consumed him, and used his form to guide (You) into waking it up. The ancestor from the lore would absolutely hate being a pawn of the Thing, but you can't really deny the truth of the world once it's shown to you, you either accept it or have a nice day, usually both.
I was upset that he was all lucid and evil during the fight against him
I'd have much preferred if he was a gibbering mass of flesh and madness begging for release
He shot himself in the beginning so the Ancestor you fight at the end isn't really him, right?
That's because the heart feels like a thing of nature that just does it does because that's what it was born to do
The ancestor goes out of his way to do the shit he does
>Listen to the tragic extent of my failings >But actually I never failed and love being evil and unrepentant and love tentacles up my urethra lmao
The whole point is that the game tricks you into thinking he w as repentant and sympathetic, but it's increasingly revealed that there was never an ounce of good in him.
He was fattened by decadence, and luxury. He began to tire of such conventional extravagance
Then the Countess showed up and the shitshow with her happened and he became 'enlightened' by it
Because the Miller was a guy who, despite his poor lot in life, was genuinely content and happy with the work he and his family did. The man had no knowledge of the greater cosmos or unspeakable realms beyond, and probably wasn't much in regards to higher education, but he was happy and had a purpose. And that caused the ultra-narcissistic decadent hedonist that was the Ancestor to seethe profoundly.
There is a reason the the Academic calls the man a wealthy degenerate in 2 and finds him incredibly distasteful overall.
They both have vastly different themes. In DD1, all the "hope" and claims of victory are the Thing bullshitting you so you sacrifice more people so it can awaken and destroy the planet. It's a quest for family redemption that is entirely made-up nonsense so you can Kickstart the end of the world.
In DD2, the Academic not only supports you unconditionally in saving the world and reality from your own frick up, but the memory/spirit of the Protégé fully recognizes that they ruined everything and gives up all they have to banish the Body Of Work and the Spreading Stain from reality, driving back the power of the Iron Crown. It's fundamentally a game about Hope and this is shown that even when the heroes and the Light are at their lowest, the Light itself provides them with the power they need to overcome their flaws and save reality from the agents of the Iron Crown.
>It's fundamentally a game about Hope
you're right, the last boss is a clear illustration of that; instead of sacrificing one of your party member, you help them overcome their deepest fear/regret
Honestly, it's a Ship of Theseus question - the Thing has so thoroughly assimilated him that he acts and thinks almost exactly like the Ancestor. Even the Ancestor considers himself a distinct entity from the Thing itself, despite now being a part of it.
Love Ancestor so much. He was such a fricking butthole it feels like everything he says even with The Thing he would say.
Currently not a fun of Academic in DD2, even if I'm only on second chapter ( game already exhausted me )
UNIMAGINABLE ELDRITCH HORRORS
Man fricked around and found out hard
I was upset that he was all lucid and evil during the fight against him
I'd have much preferred if he was a gibbering mass of flesh and madness begging for release
That would have made him boring
I like what they did for him at the end by him showing his true nature that has been hinted at and seen through out his accounts of the various bosses
>Listen to the tragic extent of my failings
>But actually I never failed and love being evil and unrepentant and love tentacles up my urethra lmao
Yeah
The beginning of the game has you think he's sympathetic but as he explains how these came to be you realize that he was an evil bastard the whole time
Well yeah it's a pretty simple through line anon
>Evil bastard
>Is too evil
>Digs too deep
>Gets fricked up really bad
>Muh failings
But he didn't have any failings so I guess they just decided to ignore that part
>so I guess they just decided to ignore that part
>the swine god
>the siren
>the necromancers
>the drowned crew
>the entire fricking weald
you'd best be trolling, his failures acted as bosses throughout the entire game
>captcha: GAYKWP
But if he's evil, unrepentant, and embracing the old god shit, how are those failings to him?
At best they're a funny side gig at that point
they are his experiments in the different facets of the occult in his search for "a crumb of cosmic truth"
He was basically fumbling around in the dark in terms of knowledge trying to stumble into something more profound until he eventually found it with the heart of darkness
They all failed of course
Like the flesh amalgam like that was just a botch job imagine your garbage crawls out of the garbage and attacks people
anon beat me to it, but he only became "evil" after finding the thing under the manner, everything i mentioned and more is a result of him digging deeper
The ancestor you fight is him after the Thing consumed him, so obviously he seems pretty happy about being a Black personman. The ancestor was an evil bastard but seeing the Thing made him realize how insignificant his efforts were and how bad he fricked up the world, so he wrote the letter and shot himself. The Thing consumed him, and used his form to guide (You) into waking it up. The ancestor from the lore would absolutely hate being a pawn of the Thing, but you can't really deny the truth of the world once it's shown to you, you either accept it or have a nice day, usually both.
He shot himself in the beginning so the Ancestor you fight at the end isn't really him, right?
I think it's awesome, somehow he seemed more evil than the Heart itself.
I think it's moronic, and completely disconnects him from the narrator cheering you on the whole game
You do realize he lures you to the hamlet to feed souls to the maw for it's birthing. 16 I believe, if you ever played Stygian.
That's because the heart feels like a thing of nature that just does it does because that's what it was born to do
The ancestor goes out of his way to do the shit he does
The Thing is using him as a mouthpiece for itself. They're both equally evil.
>cheering you on
He literally cheers on the enemies just as much if they start raping your ass.
You fight him in the second game? Well, game skipped
That's moronic.
The whole point is that the game tricks you into thinking he w as repentant and sympathetic, but it's increasingly revealed that there was never an ounce of good in him.
He was fattened by decadence, and luxury. He began to tire of such conventional extravagance
Then the Countess showed up and the shitshow with her happened and he became 'enlightened' by it
>the ancestor is a metaphor for porn addiction
>Goes from normal stuff into /d/ into /trash/ levels of degeneracy.
>ascends beyond /trash/ to ahit so nasty only ultra-guro fetishists could ever pretend to like it
He paid money for a anti-fun slot machine sim DD/DD2.
He used to call black people "afro-americans" until he actually met one
Didn't have a wholesomley named cat companion to save him from insanity.
So why he hates the Miller so much?
Because the Miller was a guy who, despite his poor lot in life, was genuinely content and happy with the work he and his family did. The man had no knowledge of the greater cosmos or unspeakable realms beyond, and probably wasn't much in regards to higher education, but he was happy and had a purpose. And that caused the ultra-narcissistic decadent hedonist that was the Ancestor to seethe profoundly.
There is a reason the the Academic calls the man a wealthy degenerate in 2 and finds him incredibly distasteful overall.
the way you are phrasing it feels like DD1 has stronger and deeper themes than DD2, do you agree?
loving both btw
They both have vastly different themes. In DD1, all the "hope" and claims of victory are the Thing bullshitting you so you sacrifice more people so it can awaken and destroy the planet. It's a quest for family redemption that is entirely made-up nonsense so you can Kickstart the end of the world.
In DD2, the Academic not only supports you unconditionally in saving the world and reality from your own frick up, but the memory/spirit of the Protégé fully recognizes that they ruined everything and gives up all they have to banish the Body Of Work and the Spreading Stain from reality, driving back the power of the Iron Crown. It's fundamentally a game about Hope and this is shown that even when the heroes and the Light are at their lowest, the Light itself provides them with the power they need to overcome their flaws and save reality from the agents of the Iron Crown.
>It's fundamentally a game about Hope
you're right, the last boss is a clear illustration of that; instead of sacrificing one of your party member, you help them overcome their deepest fear/regret
So in the end is it Ancestor or The Thing that tells you to have a nice day?
Honestly, it's a Ship of Theseus question - the Thing has so thoroughly assimilated him that he acts and thinks almost exactly like the Ancestor. Even the Ancestor considers himself a distinct entity from the Thing itself, despite now being a part of it.
Love Ancestor so much. He was such a fricking butthole it feels like everything he says even with The Thing he would say.
Currently not a fun of Academic in DD2, even if I'm only on second chapter ( game already exhausted me )
The Academic gets better as the game progresses and has some real stand-out lines.
>The greatest of parasites - opportunists
>The Harvest has come. Pity those with a place at the table