DESTINY
CAN'T REPLACE MY WIFE
SOMETHING SHADOWS OF MY PAST ARE ALIVE
DESTINY WHO CARES SOMETHING SOMETHING HERE
AND I KNOW THAT IT TRANSCENDS WITH A SMILE
JUST TOMORROW
THE SAME IS GONE
IT'S HARD TO BELIEVE
THAT I'VE LET IT GO LET IT GO LET IT GO
I could never really get into them. They weren't bad, and I had posters of Cristina on my wall, but yeah, they just never clicked for me.
I did find this pretty rad electro goth band not long ago that would easily fit in VtMB: https://youtu.be/CJU2xmG_pq4
>Ray as the secretly ghouled detective struggling to keep the balance between his loyalty and family >Frank as the upstart Ventrue and ghoul's master
I meant more so the weird type of conspiracy and surrealness those two have. There's apparently a draft of a third Chinatown film that gets passed around by screenwriters that True Detective attempted to incorporate but eventually dropped. Each film is about the power plays of LA's infrastructure and how Jake keeps stumbling into them. Chinatown is about water, The Two Jakes is about oil/energy, and the third film was going to be about the transport network, primarily how LA went from having amazing public transport to being a nightmare of highways and road networks. It was secretly made as Roger Rabbit, which has barely any resemblance to the Roger Rabbit book and way more to the Chinatown 3 script.
I just fricking love the scenes in dark LA-centric films where they go to some weird faerieland mansion or ranch where the main character is suddenly subject to different rules and innerving eccentrics. Those characters always come off as slightly threatening aliens, like vampires trying to cover their ass would. Would make for a cool Second Inquisition detective as a secondary antagonist.
Did he know about Jack's plan? He was all skeptical about anything bad in the coffin and then suddenly he's shitting his pants. Did Jack let him in on the plan?
if there's anyone who jack would tell, i'd figure it'd be beckette. i think they're pretty similar, as in it feels like they're both only superficially loyal to their teams and put their own interests first.
i could totally see beckette and jack having a beer and chilling.
but my boy's wicked smaht so he probably just pieced it together.
>Fricks human men >Humans don't figure out something is wrong when they see her dripping wet with BLOOD
???
10 months ago
Anonymous
Vitae can be used to simulate any and all bodily fluids
10 months ago
Anonymous
That quote is often misunderstood. It's not literal blood, it's inert vitae (vampire blood) taking the form of whatever fluid it's replacing. To the human, it looks like normal veganal fluid. The reason they say it's blood is to keep people from thinking their vampire sperm can get people pregnant.
wait can vampire feed on vitae pussy juice then? >vitae can emulate sperm >vampire sperm can't get people pregnant >vitae can revive organs temporarily >can't produce functional sperm
just fricking train a discipline to fix this knot at this point >what is viscissitude, blood magic, thin bloods
10 months ago
Anonymous
>wait can vampire feed on vitae pussy juice then?
No, it's too thin
I'd be like drinking water condensated at the walls >just fricking train a discipline to fix this knot at this point
Can't
10 months ago
Anonymous
Vicissitude does not let you make sperms. And even if it did you wouldn't like the baby that came out 9 months later. The only ways out of undead infertility are being a mega-thinblood or some really really obscure dubiously canon blood rituals.
I actually read a semi-official book that covered the creation of dhampirs from non-thinbloods, had some interesting things in it, including ways that it could happen accidentally under certain circumstances.
10 months ago
Anonymous
I can't imagine how lame a VtM dhampyr must be.
It's probably weaker than a ghoul
10 months ago
Anonymous
That quote is often misunderstood. It's not literal blood, it's inert vitae (vampire blood) taking the form of whatever fluid it's replacing. To the human, it looks like normal veganal fluid. The reason they say it's blood is to keep people from thinking their vampire sperm can get people pregnant.
it felt in character for how my Malk had been playing. constantly trying to be a contrarian and go against the advice of real and otherwise merely perceived voices. fun ass game
>First playthrough >Don't want to open it >Choose option that makes me open it even though I just wanted to prevent anyone from opening it
I still kekd, but it was bullshit.
>What the frick was that ending?
The gambit pileups finally collapsed >Why was it so short?
Devs couldn't manage the time/Valve forced a late release/Something Something Troika.
Still, while I'd appreciate a longer game, I think the ballpark of a single playthrough should ve something like 50h with incentives to replay it, something VtMB understands
I don't get this trend of making giant fricking game with that takes 79h to finish the main quest with some side content. It makes the game feel bloated and usually means most people won't ever replay it and some will never even finish
I don't mean the game being short.
I mean the ending is short.
Though, I guess it's because of a Strauss ending? Is the other ending less anticlimactic?
>Though, I guess it's because of a Strauss ending? Is the other ending less anticlimactic?
Oh.
Honestly, yes.
You should try the independent one later.
Strauss has a lot pf personal satisfaction, but it lacks the others, uh, more eruptive surprises
>gun slinging toreador
The bullet effects with celery are very cool.
Alright, gonna give a Malkavian playthrough with an independent ending next time.
I've always thought that some Clans go better with some ending
Tremere for Camarilla
Ventrue for LaCroix
Nos and Gangrel for Independent
Brujah and Toreador for Anarch
Malkavian could spin any way, though independence fits a bit better
>ventrue for LaCroix
but a true blueblooded ventrue chad would seek to usurp him, or at least rat him out to strauss. I went independent first time through
10 months ago
Anonymous
Eh, I'm stating which ones fit better and the Ventrue has a lot more special dialogues with LaCroix so you actually have some incentive to be nice to him
>Though, I guess it's because of a Strauss ending? Is the other ending less anticlimactic?
Oh.
Honestly, yes.
You should try the independent one later.
Strauss has a lot pf personal satisfaction, but it lacks the others, uh, more eruptive surprises
>gangrel >male >leather jacket with hood >listen to taxi driver and pledge allegiance to no one >kill chinks and cammies indiscriminately >give the finger to the anarchs as you walk away from all this whack ass vampire bullshit with your hood up >jack having a cigar with the mummy >taxi driver cain just chilling behind him as the building burns
absolute kino is what it was.
i did independent on my first and only play. it was so fricking perfect. the dialogue with the taxi driver blew my fricking mind. he doesn't care either way what you do, he just wants to make sure that your decisions are your own and frick man i get chills just thinking about it. god damn.
Oh no, I didn't mean to imply it did, just that a single playthrough should clock under that. I think VtMB takes 20h, if you do everything and is still somewhat unfamiliar with stuff, which is closer to those 50h than the bloated monstrosities we've been getting
They're releasing games today that have 175 hours of cutscenes
>somehow pissed off Velvet >didn't find out about Venus, thus was broke as frick for buying ammo >only realized that you could just ignore all the enemies in the warren after reaching the Nosferatu
Cause they're lame and fighting a lost cause.
Anarchs are either constantly fighting (and usually losing) or they settle into baronies that are nearly identical to Camarilla rule
The only Anarch I respected in the game was Issac because he seems to be the most straightforward with his bullshit, in a bigger picture the Anarchs are like
Cause they're lame and fighting a lost cause.
Anarchs are either constantly fighting (and usually losing) or they settle into baronies that are nearly identical to Camarilla rule
states, its idealistic shit until someone becomes the baron then it's just back to Camarilla-lite.
Cause they're lame and fighting a lost cause.
Anarchs are either constantly fighting (and usually losing) or they settle into baronies that are nearly identical to Camarilla rule
>game set in 90s/00s >los angeles has been the absolute crux of financial and cultural power in the western hemisphere >yet somehow nobody's made a sincere move on it only half-assed shit that left it split three ways between cams anarchs and chinks >hollywood especially is the kind of environment the toreadors could wrap around their finger and wield immeasurable power over kine >yet somehow it's not under deep entrenched camarilla control, just run by some two-bit baron with a boner for cute actor boys
make it make sense
I just don't get why toreadors wouldn't be chomping at the bit to rule over Hollywood. There's never been a larger historical concentration of good looking youths to eat, some even with true artistic ability
10 months ago
Anonymous
>I just don't get why toreadors wouldn't be chomping at the bit to rule over Hollywood
For the longest time they did.
Since the 1800s when California was just a series of Mexican farms swarmed by Americans seeking gold and fortune, Los Angeles was ruled by the eminent criollo, Don Sebastian Juan Dominguez, a Toreador.
Don Juan was the architect of the modern LA, both kine and kindred. His financial investments, influence and politicking is what made the city of Angels the metropolis the world came to recognize and his rulings, institutions and command is what made it the Camarilla bastion that it was right up until the 1940s
10 months ago
Anonymous
So how did they blow it? It's hard to imagine they wouldn't dump resources into keeping a stronghold like that
10 months ago
Anonymous
It was in 1943 when the Brujah Jeremy MacNeil arrived in LA. Like many a spirited free soul seeking the promises of freedom and new beginnings in the New World, a place not chaffed by the decrepit Elders of the Ivory Tower
McNeil was a charismatic figure with s long history of fighting for oppressed, a powerful warrior and soon become a something of a local hero that the younger vampires living under Sebastian's praxis looked up to.
Around a year after his arrival, McNeil went to Don Sebastian to petition in favorite of black and hispanic neonates that were being harassed by the older, gentry kindred.
Incensed by this insolent newcomer Sebastian had McNeil beaten bloody, stripped naked and put inside a dumpster with an open lid so he could see the sun one last time.
But McNeil survived. After weeks recovering he convened with his friend Salvador Garcia and they both realized that the oppression of Sebastian and others like him would mean this new world would be just as stifled by out of touch Camarilla elders like the old one unless they did something.
So gathering his strongest companions, McNeil and Garcia confronted Don Sebastian in his Elysium, killed him and anyone else in the hacienda and started what would be later called the Second Anarch Revolt, which would see all sects expelled from the greater LA and the birth of something truly unique, a place completely absent of the old structures of power, an Anarch Free state
10 months ago
Anonymous
>I just don't get why toreadors wouldn't be chomping at the bit to rule over Hollywood
For the longest time they did.
Since the 1800s when California was just a series of Mexican farms swarmed by Americans seeking gold and fortune, Los Angeles was ruled by the eminent criollo, Don Sebastian Juan Dominguez, a Toreador.
Don Juan was the architect of the modern LA, both kine and kindred. His financial investments, influence and politicking is what made the city of Angels the metropolis the world came to recognize and his rulings, institutions and command is what made it the Camarilla bastion that it was right up until the 1940s
It was in 1943 when the Brujah Jeremy MacNeil arrived in LA. Like many a spirited free soul seeking the promises of freedom and new beginnings in the New World, a place not chaffed by the decrepit Elders of the Ivory Tower
McNeil was a charismatic figure with s long history of fighting for oppressed, a powerful warrior and soon become a something of a local hero that the younger vampires living under Sebastian's praxis looked up to.
Around a year after his arrival, McNeil went to Don Sebastian to petition in favorite of black and hispanic neonates that were being harassed by the older, gentry kindred.
Incensed by this insolent newcomer Sebastian had McNeil beaten bloody, stripped naked and put inside a dumpster with an open lid so he could see the sun one last time.
But McNeil survived. After weeks recovering he convened with his friend Salvador Garcia and they both realized that the oppression of Sebastian and others like him would mean this new world would be just as stifled by out of touch Camarilla elders like the old one unless they did something.
So gathering his strongest companions, McNeil and Garcia confronted Don Sebastian in his Elysium, killed him and anyone else in the hacienda and started what would be later called the Second Anarch Revolt, which would see all sects expelled from the greater LA and the birth of something truly unique, a place completely absent of the old structures of power, an Anarch Free state
And thus has been the state of things for 45 years
The revolt went beyond LA and into most cities of southern California. Most Elders were killed or fled, havens were torched and both Sabbat and Camarilla lost their long footholds in those cities.
The Free State would soon decent into infighting however, so sensing a necessity to keep the Anarchs united at least nominally McNeil organized cities into baronies, sadly too similar to the system employed by the Camarilla that they fought so hard to fight
And that's the story of the Anarch Free State, right up until the year of 1999.
Of course it's mostly bullshit
10 months ago
Anonymous
Frick, now I want to do a Chinatown, True Detective S2 type campaign.
10 months ago
Anonymous
>Ray as the secretly ghouled detective struggling to keep the balance between his loyalty and family >Frank as the upstart Ventrue and ghoul's master
if I remember correctly it's because of 1000 year old shota that will undermine any attempts by the Sabbat or Camarilla to take L.A. this interference means the anarchs have almost no problem kicking out anyone tyrants.
>if I remember correctly it's because of 1000 year old shota that will undermine any attempts by the Sabbat or Camarilla to take L.A
qrd?
10 months ago
Anonymous
The narrative told on both sides is a lie
Don Sebastian was never the real power in LA, he was the pawn of a Methuselah named Christopher Houghton, an English 5th generation Elder embraced as a child that has controlled everything behind the scenes and allowed McNeil's revolution to go through and set up the Anarch Free because he's gay and has crushes on men who he thinks are exciting, the Jeremy McNeil being the latest
It's kinda lame as stories go, so VtMB choose to mostly ignore it.
The Anarchs absolutely do manipulate you. It's mostly Jack though, I genuinely believe that Nines believes the shit he's saying.
Jack comes across as friendly and helpful, but everything he does for you is to further his own goals. He wants you alive because your continued existence is, in his mind, proof that LaCroix's power isn't total. He's smart in that he never directly challenges you if you come down pro-Camarilla, but subtly tries to push you away from them at every turn. "Kinda weird how the Sabbat jumped you knowing where you were... Track you? Naaah, LaCroix on the other hand..." If you blow yourself up with the bomb at the end, all he has to say is "shame about the kid" in-between his laughter fits. Jack is an excellently written manipulator because most people finish the game without realizing he is one.
As for why the Anarchs are so low, Bloodlines is a very favorable depiction of them and moreover a very unfavorable depiction of the Camarilla and Sabbat.
The Camarilla has, unlike the Anarchs, codified laws and social rules. The Primogen Council exists to check the power of the Prince and keep them from acting like a petty tyrant. The Anarchs have nothing but ideology to protect the neonate from the predations of a corrupt Baron, ala Isaac invoking the fricking MEDIEVAL custom of tribute. The Sheriff may be the guy putting you down if you break rules, but he's also the guy saving your ass when hunters come around or Sabbat are on the prowl. The Camarilla forces civility and cooperation out of the Cainite, the Anarchs have only beliefs, which are quite weak among the dead. It's why the Anarchs have (before the V5 setting anyway) only a handful of domains in California. It doesn't work and would just result into a return to the Dark Ages if successful.
My dude Jack is a legacy VTM character, there is no secret about his allegiance or character in the lore. Jack was never a captain, he doesn't manipulate you, nor does he have any hidden agenda. He dislikes ventrue vampires and the sarcophagus is just another in a long line of frick you to the clan.
Great design making it look vampiric, would have been even better if one of those rivulets of blood fell on the engraving's bowl and followed the liquid into his mouth, 100% would have given an ancient vampire feeling... Maybe too on the nose.
That's out of character knowledge and most people who play Bloodlines were not tabletop players when they first played it. He still manipulates the PC.
Are you a fricking moron? EVERYONE in the game is trying to manipulate you to their own ends, there are no good or nice people in Bloodlines, that's part of what it makes so much fun. Every single Vampire in the game is a piece of shit that only sees you as yet another piece in the endless game of the Masquerade.
>there are no good or nice people in Bloodlines
Caine is
10 months ago
Anonymous
honestly caine is a bit weird because in the lore he's actually not nice at all, he's not evil though, he's just angry, miserable and doesn't care anymore
10 months ago
Anonymous
It's nice of him to avoid getting involved and making things worse, I guess?
Not actively fricking you over and giving you a ride around town is objectively nice
10 months ago
Anonymous
>he's not evil though
But here's the thing, he's the reason why the world of darkness is shit in the first place in both the demon and the vampire splats, he's the guy who ruined everything for everyone. Everything gets traced back to when he invented murder, and it's a failed world.
If Caine apologizes for killing Abel then shit's all good, old vampires crumble, young vampires turn human again, Caine goes to heaven and everyone gets to chill, but he won't apologize because he did nothing wrong and everyone is suffering because of him and he knows, but doesn't care.
If you are the reason why everything is fricked and you can solve it but you won't because "I did nothing wrong", can you still be considered a good guy?
10 months ago
Anonymous
>oy vey, anon >just sign this document saying you committed this heinous crime even though you didn't do anything wrong
10 months ago
Anonymous
It's nice of him to avoid getting involved and making things worse, I guess?
Everyone, or just Vampires? Because there are plenty of okay people in the game, and Beckett is literally doing his own thing, unless you count him giving you a warning about the sarcophagus as manipulating you.
>Every single Vampire in the game is a piece of shit
The lone wolf.
The man on the couch (not a vampire but close enough)
10 months ago
Anonymous
Mercurio is canonically the nicest person to you right? somewhere it says that in game.
10 months ago
Anonymous
I guess technically, everyone in the game tries to get you to do something for them. I don't know if that's "manipulation" in every case because sometimes they are genuinely grateful and are willing to help you do what YOU want, which I think Mercurio is probably the best example of.
10 months ago
Anonymous
Mercurio and Beckett are the only ones you can trust.
as the troika shirt chick proves, most anarchs only run on a blind hate for authority and specifically the camarilla.
nines is the only motherfricker with a better idea of how to run shit. jack is very wise and recognizes this. it's obvious jack doesn't want to be a leader despite his wisdom, but he is out for the betterment of people he deems worthy which is why he takes you under his wing
it's all too common with anti-establishment establishments. nines version of the anarchs is unique and basically irreproducible without someone like him because the sole denominator is frick authority
camarilla was the faction that grouped brujah, toreador, malkavian, nosferatus, etc
and sabbath was i believe the "evil" faction with lasombra and tzimisces and other baddies
the sects while having "official" clan affilitations with them do not treat that as a hard rule, antitribu or "anti-clan" types exist, especially in the sabbat (no H on there buddy)
the sects are also a tad more complicated than goodies and baddies.
Ah yes, the antitribu ones had their own Character Page. Was looking for my old book with the rules and backgrounds, couldn't find it. But I remember Camarilla being more a Faction, hence why I asked that question above. Carry on, just had a stroke of nostalgia reading about the clans here.
10 months ago
Anonymous
All of the things he listed in that post are factions, the camerilla, the sabbat, and the anarchs are Factions, sects, they are not clans.
10 months ago
Anonymous
Yeah, for some reason I thought that people were calling Brujahs "Anarchs"
My bad
>posts pic of Lasombra
But yeah, Vetrue are the best. Not the b***hy le 4D chess playing suited monkey whiny b***h kind of Ventrue, but the ones who actually get shit done.
They're not vampires. At all. They're closer to Revenants (folklore) in a western sense, an evil spirit possessing a corpse. They're arbitrarily region locked to East Asia because for some reason Asia is the special magic land in the original setting.
They're also far less interesting than Bloodlines makes them out to be and are essentially a proxy for some writers "pshhht, nothin' personnel, gaijin" fantasy. If there's anything I hold against Bloodlines, it's making people think the Kuei-Jin could even be redeemed as a concept.
That's how I consider the best way to play every World of Darkness game
Instead of autistically trying to fit them nicely together and fail, just make it so there's just diminished versions of the other properties in the game you play
So you don't have to worry how the world works if God is real at the same time as Gaia
Nah, Kuei-jin are called vampires but as Ming Xiao will condescendingly tell you, they're not kindred.
The Wan Kuei are their own brand of supernatural
Kindred are the proper, western vampire
Caine was cursed and passed his curse to 3 childer, who then passed their curse to 13 others and those eventually passed their course to form the 13 major clans and their derived bloodlines
The only clans not descended from Caine directly (debatable) is the Tremere and the bloodline Nagaraja. Both were mortal magicians who used a ritual to steal vampirism, but both still have a Generation and thus could still be considered children of Caine.
Yes. The split happened in the Middle Ages when the Church became aware of this vampiric shadow society, and elders started sending their neonates out to fight and die against this Inquisition while they scurried away to safety. This continued on until there was enough dissatisfaction to culminate in the Anarch Revolt, where the younger vampires rebelled and tried to overthrow their elders, clans Tzimisce and Lasombra had the most success in this managing to "kill" their Antediluvians.
Ultimately this civil war could not continue while mankind was wiping them out simultaneously, and so a council was brokeraged, the elders accepted some things needed to change and so codified the Traditions and the Masquerade, some of the Anarchs accepted this peace and these along with the elders would go on to become the Camarilla and the Anarchs, the remaining Anarchs saw this as a betrayal and return to servitude and would leave to become the Sabbat.
My first playthrough as a Tremere spoiled me. I killed Ming Xiao in a few seconds by spamming blood magic and then on every other run that fight took me forever and I hated it.
i fricked my first time with console commands fixing a glitch in chinatown. the last section of the game starting with the hobo hotel the ai was disabled. i reloaded saves after to play with the ai enabled, it was pretty trash especially the chinese temple, so i just did most of it on god mode.
i did however do the cammie tower normally. that was actually decent except the flying gorilla's cancer spell that basically immobilizes you or whatever.
definitely got the full fricking experience of this flawed masterpiece.
>i did however do the cammie tower normally.
Speaking of, sometimes during the first phase he deals damage even if I'm blocking and sometimes he just doesn't. Did anyone have this issue?
What's the oldest vampire in the game? Not counting the fact that the driver might legit be Caine himself.
i did independent on my first and only play. it was so fricking perfect. the dialogue with the taxi driver blew my fricking mind. he doesn't care either way what you do, he just wants to make sure that your decisions are your own and frick man i get chills just thinking about it. god damn.
if there's anyone who jack would tell, i'd figure it'd be beckette. i think they're pretty similar, as in it feels like they're both only superficially loyal to their teams and put their own interests first.
i could totally see beckette and jack having a beer and chilling.
but my boy's wicked smaht so he probably just pieced it together.
Author's name is vice sk6. Pointing that out because anon did not said it.
I think the SPAS 12 was also shit and only got Hollywood cred thanks to Schwarzenegger massacring a police station with one and an AR-180..
I'm surprised Franchi could stay in business.
Yeah, it's only famous because of it's aesthetic
That's why you'll never see it with that folding stock extended, it would ruin the look.
The gun itself is heavy as all frick and pretty shitty overall
Yeah, but there aren't exactly a lot of other choices for older people, Gorilla homie is subservient to Croix, so he is almost certainly younger, and Issac seems to be relatively young given he seems to have been embraced sometime just before or as movies became a thing.
Hard to say with Andre, but he seems a lot like a guy from around the same time as Croix.
Jack is old though.
There's Gehenna shenanigans abound
Also possible vampiric divine intervention
And tbh, you also get ludicrously strong faster than than you should at the tabletop, just not as fast
Players are active while npcs are reactive after all.
Wasn't there an implication that we have a way lower generation, when compared to the average modern vampire? Specifically when La'Croix tries to dominate you later in the game and you just don't care.
VTM works like that, you play a story, you get involved in whatever story the ST tells, level up way too fast fast, eventually you can go toe to toe with elder npcs even tho you've been playing that story for 2 weeks
Eh. He seems to treat Sigmund Freud as a peer and contemporary, so about the same age as LaCroix, decades younger likely
Tbh, LaCroix is pretty old for the New World.
Yeah, he's superb
Coupled with the phenomenal way that the source engine renders facial animations in a way that's realistic but without the deep uncanny valley of modern mocapture and he's one of the best characters and villains in vidya
Shame the actors never seemed to have done much else
I got some vidya friends to try it during our first 5e campaign together, it was kind of a mess since it was my first time running anything. It certainly is hard to get get 5e normies to break out of the bubble I know.
If they like goth stuff or spooky stuff, not hard. The real struggle is making sure they don't end up lobbying to play V5 because it's the newest and the propagated lie that it's the most accessible.
Kek, this was a plotpoint in the campaign I played a while back.
>my character is a manlet >hones his body into peak condition before his embrace, bit cannot escape manletness >Tzimische can't help him >dump all of my points into Celerity >an Antediluvian becomes part of the plot >betray the entire party and attempt to diablerize the Antediluvian because it would make me taller >gain as many inches as a dice roll allows >still only 5.11"
The one that flies into a rage if a female character tries seducing her?
I like how the game has speech checks that just plain don't work. Makes it more interesting than just "click pink to solve quest" or such.
Yeah, the Giovanni being murderous undead mobsters but still nominally keeping the Catholicism and hating gays and prods is the sort of interesting character building that barely exists anymore
>What the frick was that ending?
Anyone who looks at the masquerade and thinks they're above it all will get blown to shit because there will always be someone who's more experienced and more wise than you in the vampire society. Humility is important, don't be a moron and go around acting like you're the main character of the world. >Why was it so short?
Rushed development.
Fair enough, let me make it more difficult. >VTMB2 is just VTMB1 but completed as per Troika’s original vision >but the new voice lines are of different audio quality and voice actor, so characters will sound like one VA in one second and then a completely different dude the next
He's also treated as a joke by everyone and has no friends and nobody likes him
I wonder what he did back in Europe to piss off an Elder so much he'd get reassigned to Antarctica but not killed
Grout >inb4 He was murdered you dumbass!
Faked his death. All Kindred when they die disintegrate completely but for some reason Grout leaves behind a skeleton? Guy was prepping for this the whole time.
Ming Xiao showcases to the PC that her knowledge on Vampires is lacking and is still growing. >Chains and stabs a stake into supposedly Grout which we know only paralyses vampires >”What strain of Caine’s curse” she doesn’t know the Malkavian affliction. But knows the Nosferatu affliction. She supposedly killed Grout how does she not know what Malkavian’s are?
Don’t think she did kill him or at least just put a body on display to fulfil the deal and get what she wants especially when the guy who has been prepping for his betrayal and is Malkavian who are known to see glimpses of the future probably wasn’t there.
Grout >Chessboard tile pattern all over the mansion >Likes puzzles >Is Malkavaian and can see the future >Has been prepping for this >Supposedly was killed with a stake in the heart and a skeleton remains.
Nah not buying it
I've done done the cam, anarch and independent endings but I can't really bring myself to do another run to see the other two endings when I know you just end up dead in both of them
The game was rushed which is why the ending is the way it is. Also the reason why Santa Monica is so good while the other maps are kinda meh is because Troika managed to rework Santa Monica right before the release while the other ones were pretty much unchanged from the early beta build of the game due to time constrains.
This, where's our relatively low or no power hunter game? >Awakened to the supernatural everywhere >Delta Green levels of hopelessness >Band together with other hunters to investigate weird shit in the neighborhood >Gather contacts, make plans >Have to decide which supernaturals you can trust (if any) >Ambushing Vampires and Werewolves with improvised weapons, traps, black market guns and occult artefacts >Hideout system that you must defend if you frick up and your team is tracked down ala xcom >Team has persistent traits, skills and morale effects, some may eventually become rogue lunatics >Spooky, high stakes combat with an emphasis on preparation
Exploring and surviving a VTMB/White Wolf style setting is much more interesting when you're just some butthole who saw too much, plus much more satisfying if you actually manage to take anything down
A Delta Green game in general would be cool
A Cthulhutech anime as well. I always headcannoned that Delta Green's main stories took place before Cthulhutech anyway
This, where's our relatively low or no power hunter game? >Awakened to the supernatural everywhere >Delta Green levels of hopelessness >Band together with other hunters to investigate weird shit in the neighborhood >Gather contacts, make plans >Have to decide which supernaturals you can trust (if any) >Ambushing Vampires and Werewolves with improvised weapons, traps, black market guns and occult artefacts >Hideout system that you must defend if you frick up and your team is tracked down ala xcom >Team has persistent traits, skills and morale effects, some may eventually become rogue lunatics >Spooky, high stakes combat with an emphasis on preparation
Exploring and surviving a VTMB/White Wolf style setting is much more interesting when you're just some butthole who saw too much, plus much more satisfying if you actually manage to take anything down
Pretty sure it's from the Bloodhunt battle-royale game
If it did one thing right it was making me want to be a hunter even more.
The specific Operator is from the "Entity Special Operations Group" (ESOG or just "Entity) and is part of the Vatican's Second Inquisition
I love their fricking designs and want to play as one so bad. Gives really big Hellsing vibes
Pretty sure it's from the Bloodhunt battle-royale game
If it did one thing right it was making me want to be a hunter even more.
The specific Operator is from the "Entity Special Operations Group" (ESOG or just "Entity) and is part of the Vatican's Second Inquisition
I love their fricking designs and want to play as one so bad. Gives really big Hellsing vibes
This, where's our relatively low or no power hunter game? >Awakened to the supernatural everywhere >Delta Green levels of hopelessness >Band together with other hunters to investigate weird shit in the neighborhood >Gather contacts, make plans >Have to decide which supernaturals you can trust (if any) >Ambushing Vampires and Werewolves with improvised weapons, traps, black market guns and occult artefacts >Hideout system that you must defend if you frick up and your team is tracked down ala xcom >Team has persistent traits, skills and morale effects, some may eventually become rogue lunatics >Spooky, high stakes combat with an emphasis on preparation
Exploring and surviving a VTMB/White Wolf style setting is much more interesting when you're just some butthole who saw too much, plus much more satisfying if you actually manage to take anything down
>Tremere get a unique house that no other clan gets >it comes with an item that makes your blood magic even more OP
I'm guessing the devs really like Tremere
nah it fits the tremere trope, you're part of a powerful clan but have to sacrifice personal freedom, deal with the devil sort of thing. Lorewise the tremere are blood bound to their older superiors, so they're all slaves toe the man in charge
>best Andrei can come up with is a bunch of corpses hanging from chandeliers
I expected far better from an elder Tzimisce, to be honest. Pulsating mounds of flesh, pipe systems and torch sconces made out of people, anything. Even some creatively fleshcrafted dead bodies in the shape of the Sabbat ankh.
He was decorating the basement of a literal crack house, I'm surprised he put even that much effort into it.
If you're going to do something, you at least do it right. For instance, you could have all the nerve bundles of those incorporated set to the floor, and as someone walks along it the various assembled into the superstructure awaken, screaming out in a chorus that serves both as an alarm and a building ambiance.
Anon, there are no Tzimisce here. A Tzimisce would talk about how they set up a patron to ingest raw sewage and has their anus rigged up to function as a sconce for cost-effective interior lightning.
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>Th-there are no tzimisce here
The camarilla already knows your location, start fleeing, because neither your weak fleshlings nor you flimsy zulo form are gonna save you
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See, this is the type of overly elaborated edgy shit that made people reconsider the Tzimisce Clan
You can't be Dracula expies as Old Blood Transylvanian Nobles with dark powers AND terrifying transhumanist tortures alien parasites
Anon, there are no Tzimisce here. A Tzimisce would talk about how they set up a patron to ingest raw sewage and has their anus rigged up to function as a sconce for cost-effective interior lightning.
Tzimisce
This random guy which I will sistematically breed to create the perfect ghoul (which I will then turn into the most comfortable chair ever created)
I want to reinstall this game. I remember there was a patch that added a bunch of content like special missions for each clan and stuff like that. Does anyone remember what was it called?
Yes. The game is almost unplayable without it. If you're on steam remember to launch the game via the exe it dumps on the desktop instead of from steam directly, or you'll miss out on all the extra content for some reason.
Why can't we make pacts with demons and shit? infernalists are sooooooo cooooool! and also very powerful! your soul is damned anyways, might as well be cooooool
>Why can't we make pacts with demons and shit? infernalists are sooooooo cooooool! and also very powerful! your soul is damned anyways, might as well be cooooool
Can someone explain to me what the deal with the Baali is? Do they worship some form of ground demons? Why are they so hilariously evil? Why are ground demons worse than whatever the Tremere, Tzimisce or that one fae-blooded Lasombra bloodline do?
It is because they are a small group and consort with evil that they are so hated, as well as their ability to convert even other Vampires into one of them.
Well Baali aren't a big deal nowadays but when they had their shit together they were world-ending threats. Some want to destroy the world by awakening not earthbounds but rather lovecraftian cosmic horrors, while other baali do super fricked up crap just to keep them asleep. You don't want them to rebuild so they gotta be killed on sight.
also just because you're evil doesn't mean the other evil guys with put up with your shit, there were a pedo werewolf clan who only targeted kids for fricked up rituals, and when they were being hunted for their atrocities they asked other bad guys (nephandi mages and black spiral dances aka the bad werewolf guys) for help and they were like "no, eat shit you sick frick, hope you die"
Wait, wait, hold up. Ok, the baali are hated because most of them want to end the world. But why the frick would the nephandi mages, a group that as far as I know pride themselves on being evil and corrupt. I mean, don't they literally more or less break reality when they get to their version of archmage? Anyway why would they morally grandstand to anyone? Did the pedo werewolves not pay them enough?
Maybe they didn't matter in the grand scheme, black spiral dancers and pentex also didn't help them, I don't know everyone has to draw the line somewhere. So what they did was target children and abuse them with really bad acts to corrupt them so when they grew up they would be fed up with the world and also do that thing to others.
Also when it comes to Baali, really powerful ones like Nergal (Most powerful vampire stated), who is sleeping under Mexico, are a really big fricking threat. Nergal alone is corrupting everyone who operates in Mexico including mages, technocracy mages, werewolves, vampires etc, and he's just sleeping and can't wake up. Plus he was the one controlling the Sabbat until recently just by influence alone.
>chinese mansion place >ventrue tower
the endgame of this is a fricking slog. its like they stopped caring and said "ah frick it just throws hours of bulletsponge enemies in their way"
Palace and Hotel just go on for too long, same as the sewers. Feels like they would have been fine with some playtesting and trimming. Venture Tower I thought was pretty good.
My pet theory is that given his acting chops and charisma in life, he's the face of the Nosferatu in LA with someone older/higher up calling the shots (although the nosferatu you see in the warrens are all youngsters themselves).
Can anyone redpill me on the megacorporations that work for lovecraftian shitlords or something like that? I remember reading something about that but it was too bizarre for someone who thought the setting is just about vamps and furries.
>Can anyone redpill me on the megacorporations that work for lovecraftian shitlords or something like that?
are you sure you're not getting this mixed up with shadowrun
I just found out that I was talking about Technocracy.
nah it's pentex and it's like the big bad of the werewolf splat, you ever hear that shit about FPS games making people violent? well that's actually a thing in WoD, Pentex is a mega corporate that owns a lot of companies that frick the world in different ways (destroy every forest to build cities and contaminate everything, take all of the planet's resources, make video games/movies that frick people up mentally etc etc), and all to destroy the planet because they are corrupted by the Wyrm which I guess what you mean by lovecraftian shit but it's some other weird stuff, like a concept that went insane and now wants to destroy everything.
But it really doesn't have anything to do with vampires, vampires are tainted by the wyrm and lots work at pentex but this is a werewolf thing.
Redpill me on the lore. Is it good? I know some bits here and there like Antedeluvians are bad news and werewolves are fricking OP, most vampires are bumfricks who get absolutely clapped by a semi-moronic wizard etc.
Is it deep enough to get lost in without the rampant autism present in shit like WH40k?
>Is it deep enough to get lost in without the rampant autism present in shit like WH40k?
You'll have to deal with severe left wing homosexualry from the creators.
Let see what ToreChads did >Arikel is the favorite and the oldest of Caine >Her brother and sister Antediluvians SEETHE with jealousy because of her beauty and power >Clan "curse" is boon to make her Kindred feel alive >inspiration for the Path of Humanity >Arikel is still up and running without causing too much havoc; might be in Greece >While the goddess of vanity, she's the most humane vampire in existence. >Toreadors are the leaders of culture >so hedonistic, they can topple empires like Rome and Carthage >Ventures and Brujah still SEETHE at Toreadors because they believe Toreadors caused their pet empires to fall which they did lol >founded the Camarilla >Started the Renaissance >started many trends really >can manipulate kine with just words or just a bit of Presence >sex appeal so strong even the most cold Tremere fall for them >Malkavian lovers flock to them >Gangrel and Nosferatu pine for them >Venture prize them >Tzimisce praise them >Asamites are befuddled by them >guardians of Elysiums >throw the grandest parties where if you're not invited, you're basically a nobody >hide behind the facade of being airheads while manipulating you and others >leave oldgays in the dust by getting with the times >best girls are from the Clan of the Rose
When did you noticed Toreadors are the most powerful Clan, Ganker? Also, they might have caused the Holocaust to get inspiration from the suffering of israelites.
Toreador are deeply still tied to their humanity, but they are dead creatures thus the spark of creativity and fulfillment slowly, but surely, dies. I honestly I find Toreador have the second worse fate of all the clans. Imagine feeling yourself die again at slow pace.
>posts pic of Lasombra
But yeah, Vetrue are the best. Not the b***hy le 4D chess playing suited monkey whiny b***h kind of Ventrue, but the ones who actually get shit done.
Love La Sombra. Still don't know how I feel about them becoming Camarilla but I suppose them being in with the psychopathic Sabbat made even less sense in the grand scheme of things
>but I suppose them being in with the psychopathic Sabbat made even less sense in the grand scheme of things
Are you aware of how the Lasombra select new embraces? They single someone out and then proceed to destroy their entire lives and inflict ceaseless suffering and misfortune on them to break them down.
>Still don't know how I feel about them becoming Camarilla
It's dumb and moronic like everything in V5 >but I suppose them being in with the psychopathic Sabbat made even less sense in the grand scheme of things
It made a lot of sense because it perfectly sums up the Lasombra, unable to secure a leadership position in the Camarilla, they instead preferred to hang around the caitiff and the antitribu and the crazy slavic vampiric trannies rather than willingly submit to the ventrue
Ex-successful actor who let the fame get to his head, made dumb decision and OD'd from drugs. Abrams embraced him to save his life and he had to give up his movie star carrer because being a vampire.
are they still working on VTMB2 or not
also since I guess it's based on v5 and there's no way they let you play anything but cammy, you think we can play lasombra?
>are they still working on VTMB2 or not
yes, more news in september >and there's no way they let you play anything but cammy, you think we can play lasombra?
we don't know
Somewhat. The studio led by one of the writers fell apart. Paradox was ready to can it but, allegedly, The Chinese Room wanted to pick up the project. I think that's what happened, more or less?
>this
Everything they've shown off not showing a person has been really good work, but there's a pre-alpha looking Mass Effect 1 facial animations going on.
That would just kill the game even if it had phenomenal voice acting. One of the hallmarks of the original was how energetic the facial animations were as well as the distinct stylization of character models, most of which are incredibly attractive befitting the vapid goth club scene aesthetic. Autistic & uncanny unreal face simply can't work here.
It's a symbol of a Clan composed of moral refugees from the other clans and whose signature disciple Bardo is mostly about regaining lost humanity as vampires
I only picked it because there's no symbol for Golconda tho
Kinda sucks that getting actual redemption and a second chance relies on a fricking angry prideful manchild apologizing and you literally can't do anything about it. You just age, get worse over the years, fight to retain humanity or become a monster until the very end of the world.
Children of Osiris. Clan who were redeemed by Osiris for being good guys so that White Wolf didn't have to deal with an "obviously the good guys" faction and could deal more with the Inconnu and Camerilla.
The most well known one that is regarded by most kindred as a fairy tale is goldconda, it's a form of.. enlightenment that requires some serious fricking hoops jumped through in terms of humanity and "you die if you fail this" checks.
There are many benefits to achieving it though, like blood consumption for merely existing dropping to 1 blood point a week rather than a day, and being immune to frenzy, losing their clan weakness, and even learning disciplines without generation limits.
No, they are walking corpses, there is actually a flaw that *can* cause a vampire to sweat but the only bodily fluid they have is vitae, so uh.. you don't want a sweaty vampire.
If they want they can spend blood to perform body functions they normally wouldn't be able to do anymore
Some sweat blood and they have no way to prevent it
They don't do so naturally, no.
Vampires can move vitae around within themselves to simulate things like a heartbeat or warmth, or even secrete it like tears or swear, but it's vitae, so...
If they want they can spend blood to perform body functions they normally wouldn't be able to do anymore
Some sweat blood and they have no way to prevent it
Vampires can move vitae around within themselves to simulate things like a heartbeat or warmth, or even secrete it like tears or swear, but it's vitae, so...
The modding scene is honestly not that robust for bloodlines, most mods out there are just going to be model replacers and the like, and anything actually adding real content is wrestling with pre-half life 2 source engine jank.
Clan Quest Mod has an interesting bit with the Tremere quest, where you get stuck on your mind and meet her, or an impression of her from your memory or maybe her personality attuned to her blood which courses in your veins, and she seems to imply you were chosen for a purpose
I just got this new interpretation for the whole VV interaction >vamps no longer have sex drive >sex is still kinda enjoyable but you need "effort" to make it so and it's still less pleasurable than drinking >need high humanity too >therefore, you flirting back with VV makes (you) objectively special based on vamp stats >she gets her Torry g-spot massajed
I understand the idea of the PC not understanding yet that sex is kinda shit but this does explain the cringe poems she sends you later
There's a couple mods to try out, though some of them are kinda shit
War Games is the best choice for a "new game" feel, because it's set in WW2 with ... kinda interest way to re-use and re-color assets. The voice acting is objectively shit except for your Sire and if I cared enough I'd remake the entire game with new voices but you play as the bad guys and there's little room for player choice, let alone alt-history frickery
At least there's a ton of variety in locations.
Then there's ... Prelude which is short and has a shitty ending that doesn't fit with how good of a hunter you were before that.
Then there's CQM.
>When you're taught through feelings
>Uh-huh...
>DESTINYYYY
hate that stupid song, it's so goofy
The song is amazing
Is it? Is it really?
Really, is it?
>Swamped is "amazing"
That's what you just said
yeah
>DESTINYYYY
>herpa derpa deeerrrrp
>all i know is that I can't
>herpa derp
>CHORUS TIME AGAIN
AAAAAAHHH AAAHH OOOOOHH OOOH
DESTINY
CAN'T REPLACE MY WIFE
SOMETHING SHADOWS OF MY PAST ARE ALIVE
DESTINY WHO CARES SOMETHING SOMETHING HERE
AND I KNOW THAT IT TRANSCENDS WITH A SMILE
JUST TOMORROW
THE SAME IS GONE
IT'S HARD TO BELIEVE
THAT I'VE LET IT GO LET IT GO LET IT GO
I like the chick singing not the dude
It's like they're clashing without each other
So you like half of the amazing song
I guess
Yes, I like her too.
Huh, I didn't know they remade the whole album. Thanks for the heads up. Haven't listened to their music in like 20 years
I could never really get into them. They weren't bad, and I had posters of Cristina on my wall, but yeah, they just never clicked for me.
I did find this pretty rad electro goth band not long ago that would easily fit in VtMB: https://youtu.be/CJU2xmG_pq4
I meant more so the weird type of conspiracy and surrealness those two have. There's apparently a draft of a third Chinatown film that gets passed around by screenwriters that True Detective attempted to incorporate but eventually dropped. Each film is about the power plays of LA's infrastructure and how Jake keeps stumbling into them. Chinatown is about water, The Two Jakes is about oil/energy, and the third film was going to be about the transport network, primarily how LA went from having amazing public transport to being a nightmare of highways and road networks. It was secretly made as Roger Rabbit, which has barely any resemblance to the Roger Rabbit book and way more to the Chinatown 3 script.
I just fricking love the scenes in dark LA-centric films where they go to some weird faerieland mansion or ranch where the main character is suddenly subject to different rules and innerving eccentrics. Those characters always come off as slightly threatening aliens, like vampires trying to cover their ass would. Would make for a cool Second Inquisition detective as a secondary antagonist.
sauce on the pic?
Thanks for the music rec
You might find something you like here
Pic is from True Detective season 2
That song is awesome, and they still make awesome songs: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZqdZF_jXbc
It's weird because I would never listen to that song in any other context, but after finishing Bloodlines it's perfect
vampkino
AND I, I COULD HAVE DIED LAST NIGHT
BUT I HEEEEARD THE VOICE OF A SMALLER GOD
It's tragic living in such an aesthetically inferior time
I wonder if the 60s people felt like toward the 50s
favorite song in the game. the lyrics work so well for a game about vampires
Don't open it
This man is my kindred in blood, i'll listen to him every playthrough.
Did he know about Jack's plan? He was all skeptical about anything bad in the coffin and then suddenly he's shitting his pants. Did Jack let him in on the plan?
It's more likely he just figured out at least part of it
I doubt Jack would tell anyone about his plan.
I guess he just found out that someone tinkered with the sarcophagus.
if there's anyone who jack would tell, i'd figure it'd be beckette. i think they're pretty similar, as in it feels like they're both only superficially loyal to their teams and put their own interests first.
i could totally see beckette and jack having a beer and chilling.
but my boy's wicked smaht so he probably just pieced it together.
She looks like she has sex with human men
>Fricks human men
>Humans don't figure out something is wrong when they see her dripping wet with BLOOD
???
Vitae can be used to simulate any and all bodily fluids
wait can vampire feed on vitae pussy juice then?
>vitae can emulate sperm
>vampire sperm can't get people pregnant
>vitae can revive organs temporarily
>can't produce functional sperm
just fricking train a discipline to fix this knot at this point
>what is viscissitude, blood magic, thin bloods
>wait can vampire feed on vitae pussy juice then?
No, it's too thin
I'd be like drinking water condensated at the walls
>just fricking train a discipline to fix this knot at this point
Can't
Vicissitude does not let you make sperms. And even if it did you wouldn't like the baby that came out 9 months later. The only ways out of undead infertility are being a mega-thinblood or some really really obscure dubiously canon blood rituals.
I actually read a semi-official book that covered the creation of dhampirs from non-thinbloods, had some interesting things in it, including ways that it could happen accidentally under certain circumstances.
I can't imagine how lame a VtM dhampyr must be.
It's probably weaker than a ghoul
That quote is often misunderstood. It's not literal blood, it's inert vitae (vampire blood) taking the form of whatever fluid it's replacing. To the human, it looks like normal veganal fluid. The reason they say it's blood is to keep people from thinking their vampire sperm can get people pregnant.
>Fricks human men
Does she?
post more jeanette.
>multiple people tell you not to open it, including a fortune teller who is 100% right and a dude who's a total bro
>dipshits still open it
lol
lmao
dont tell me what to do with MY sarcophagus
its MINE
MINE MINE MINE MINE MINE
Sup, LaCroix
look man i was curious
it felt in character for how my Malk had been playing. constantly trying to be a contrarian and go against the advice of real and otherwise merely perceived voices. fun ass game
Drizzt if he vampire
sorry bro but i did
>First playthrough
>Don't want to open it
>Choose option that makes me open it even though I just wanted to prevent anyone from opening it
I still kekd, but it was bullshit.
>What the frick was that ending?
The gambit pileups finally collapsed
>Why was it so short?
Devs couldn't manage the time/Valve forced a late release/Something Something Troika.
Still, while I'd appreciate a longer game, I think the ballpark of a single playthrough should ve something like 50h with incentives to replay it, something VtMB understands
I don't get this trend of making giant fricking game with that takes 79h to finish the main quest with some side content. It makes the game feel bloated and usually means most people won't ever replay it and some will never even finish
I don't mean the game being short.
I mean the ending is short.
Though, I guess it's because of a Strauss ending? Is the other ending less anticlimactic?
>Though, I guess it's because of a Strauss ending? Is the other ending less anticlimactic?
Oh.
Honestly, yes.
You should try the independent one later.
Strauss has a lot pf personal satisfaction, but it lacks the others, uh, more eruptive surprises
>gun slinging toreador
>get the independent ending because frick everybody
my first and only run of that game was very kino
I'm gonna do a malky or tremere playthrough next (with plus patch instead of basic)
>gun slinging toreador
The bullet effects with celery are very cool.
I've always thought that some Clans go better with some ending
Tremere for Camarilla
Ventrue for LaCroix
Nos and Gangrel for Independent
Brujah and Toreador for Anarch
Malkavian could spin any way, though independence fits a bit better
Nosferatu is chingchong ending because he hopes to get laid with asian undead
They have other concerns
>ventrue for LaCroix
but a true blueblooded ventrue chad would seek to usurp him, or at least rat him out to strauss. I went independent first time through
Eh, I'm stating which ones fit better and the Ventrue has a lot more special dialogues with LaCroix so you actually have some incentive to be nice to him
Alright, gonna give a Malkavian playthrough with an independent ending next time.
>gangrel
>male
>leather jacket with hood
>listen to taxi driver and pledge allegiance to no one
>kill chinks and cammies indiscriminately
>give the finger to the anarchs as you walk away from all this whack ass vampire bullshit with your hood up
>jack having a cigar with the mummy
>taxi driver cain just chilling behind him as the building burns
absolute kino is what it was.
The Independent ending is definitely the one that better book ends the game
i did independent on my first and only play. it was so fricking perfect. the dialogue with the taxi driver blew my fricking mind. he doesn't care either way what you do, he just wants to make sure that your decisions are your own and frick man i get chills just thinking about it. god damn.
I can fix Theresa
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VTMB is nowhere near 50 hours dude.
Oh no, I didn't mean to imply it did, just that a single playthrough should clock under that. I think VtMB takes 20h, if you do everything and is still somewhat unfamiliar with stuff, which is closer to those 50h than the bloated monstrosities we've been getting
They're releasing games today that have 175 hours of cutscenes
artist sauce?
TheMangoFiasco
>Cain is evil and therefore has a goatee
I'm tired of this offensive stereotype
>somehow pissed off Velvet
>didn't find out about Venus, thus was broke as frick for buying ammo
>only realized that you could just ignore all the enemies in the warren after reaching the Nosferatu
>somehow pissed off Velvet
>somehow
All you need to do is be nice
I did though.
Though, I did ask if she's a stripper once.
that's all it takes, she becomes dumb b***h if you don't suck her wiener 100% of time
I don't think she gets that offended by it.
Did you complete her quest like she wanted?
Yes.
Does threatening Harry make her mad?
I don't think so, just if you kill him
Sabbat > Camarilla > Anarchs
Camarilla > Sabbat >>>>>>>>> Anarchs.
Nines is a top bro, you dumb as hell boy.
Nines is a gay
Why the Anarchs so low? They're the only ones that didn't manipulate me or lie to me and Nines saved my life twice.
because they're a bunch of juvinelle morons
Nines is cool but the rest of them are peak stupid
Cause they're lame and fighting a lost cause.
Anarchs are either constantly fighting (and usually losing) or they settle into baronies that are nearly identical to Camarilla rule
The only Anarch I respected in the game was Issac because he seems to be the most straightforward with his bullshit, in a bigger picture the Anarchs are like
states, its idealistic shit until someone becomes the baron then it's just back to Camarilla-lite.
>game set in 90s/00s
>los angeles has been the absolute crux of financial and cultural power in the western hemisphere
>yet somehow nobody's made a sincere move on it only half-assed shit that left it split three ways between cams anarchs and chinks
>hollywood especially is the kind of environment the toreadors could wrap around their finger and wield immeasurable power over kine
>yet somehow it's not under deep entrenched camarilla control, just run by some two-bit baron with a boner for cute actor boys
make it make sense
>make it make sense
I mean, there's a whole complex backstory if you want to hear it
Sure why not. I never read LA by night just NY/SF
I just don't get why toreadors wouldn't be chomping at the bit to rule over Hollywood. There's never been a larger historical concentration of good looking youths to eat, some even with true artistic ability
>I just don't get why toreadors wouldn't be chomping at the bit to rule over Hollywood
For the longest time they did.
Since the 1800s when California was just a series of Mexican farms swarmed by Americans seeking gold and fortune, Los Angeles was ruled by the eminent criollo, Don Sebastian Juan Dominguez, a Toreador.
Don Juan was the architect of the modern LA, both kine and kindred. His financial investments, influence and politicking is what made the city of Angels the metropolis the world came to recognize and his rulings, institutions and command is what made it the Camarilla bastion that it was right up until the 1940s
So how did they blow it? It's hard to imagine they wouldn't dump resources into keeping a stronghold like that
It was in 1943 when the Brujah Jeremy MacNeil arrived in LA. Like many a spirited free soul seeking the promises of freedom and new beginnings in the New World, a place not chaffed by the decrepit Elders of the Ivory Tower
McNeil was a charismatic figure with s long history of fighting for oppressed, a powerful warrior and soon become a something of a local hero that the younger vampires living under Sebastian's praxis looked up to.
Around a year after his arrival, McNeil went to Don Sebastian to petition in favorite of black and hispanic neonates that were being harassed by the older, gentry kindred.
Incensed by this insolent newcomer Sebastian had McNeil beaten bloody, stripped naked and put inside a dumpster with an open lid so he could see the sun one last time.
But McNeil survived. After weeks recovering he convened with his friend Salvador Garcia and they both realized that the oppression of Sebastian and others like him would mean this new world would be just as stifled by out of touch Camarilla elders like the old one unless they did something.
So gathering his strongest companions, McNeil and Garcia confronted Don Sebastian in his Elysium, killed him and anyone else in the hacienda and started what would be later called the Second Anarch Revolt, which would see all sects expelled from the greater LA and the birth of something truly unique, a place completely absent of the old structures of power, an Anarch Free state
And thus has been the state of things for 45 years
The revolt went beyond LA and into most cities of southern California. Most Elders were killed or fled, havens were torched and both Sabbat and Camarilla lost their long footholds in those cities.
The Free State would soon decent into infighting however, so sensing a necessity to keep the Anarchs united at least nominally McNeil organized cities into baronies, sadly too similar to the system employed by the Camarilla that they fought so hard to fight
And that's the story of the Anarch Free State, right up until the year of 1999.
Of course it's mostly bullshit
Frick, now I want to do a Chinatown, True Detective S2 type campaign.
>Ray as the secretly ghouled detective struggling to keep the balance between his loyalty and family
>Frank as the upstart Ventrue and ghoul's master
if I remember correctly it's because of 1000 year old shota that will undermine any attempts by the Sabbat or Camarilla to take L.A. this interference means the anarchs have almost no problem kicking out anyone tyrants.
>if I remember correctly it's because of 1000 year old shota that will undermine any attempts by the Sabbat or Camarilla to take L.A
qrd?
The narrative told on both sides is a lie
Don Sebastian was never the real power in LA, he was the pawn of a Methuselah named Christopher Houghton, an English 5th generation Elder embraced as a child that has controlled everything behind the scenes and allowed McNeil's revolution to go through and set up the Anarch Free because he's gay and has crushes on men who he thinks are exciting, the Jeremy McNeil being the latest
It's kinda lame as stories go, so VtMB choose to mostly ignore it.
Because they are moronic and annoying.
Even the Cab driver pointed out that they keep failing.
The Anarchs absolutely do manipulate you. It's mostly Jack though, I genuinely believe that Nines believes the shit he's saying.
Jack comes across as friendly and helpful, but everything he does for you is to further his own goals. He wants you alive because your continued existence is, in his mind, proof that LaCroix's power isn't total. He's smart in that he never directly challenges you if you come down pro-Camarilla, but subtly tries to push you away from them at every turn. "Kinda weird how the Sabbat jumped you knowing where you were... Track you? Naaah, LaCroix on the other hand..." If you blow yourself up with the bomb at the end, all he has to say is "shame about the kid" in-between his laughter fits. Jack is an excellently written manipulator because most people finish the game without realizing he is one.
As for why the Anarchs are so low, Bloodlines is a very favorable depiction of them and moreover a very unfavorable depiction of the Camarilla and Sabbat.
The Camarilla has, unlike the Anarchs, codified laws and social rules. The Primogen Council exists to check the power of the Prince and keep them from acting like a petty tyrant. The Anarchs have nothing but ideology to protect the neonate from the predations of a corrupt Baron, ala Isaac invoking the fricking MEDIEVAL custom of tribute. The Sheriff may be the guy putting you down if you break rules, but he's also the guy saving your ass when hunters come around or Sabbat are on the prowl. The Camarilla forces civility and cooperation out of the Cainite, the Anarchs have only beliefs, which are quite weak among the dead. It's why the Anarchs have (before the V5 setting anyway) only a handful of domains in California. It doesn't work and would just result into a return to the Dark Ages if successful.
My dude Jack is a legacy VTM character, there is no secret about his allegiance or character in the lore. Jack was never a captain, he doesn't manipulate you, nor does he have any hidden agenda. He dislikes ventrue vampires and the sarcophagus is just another in a long line of frick you to the clan.
>he doesn't manipulate you, nor does he have any hidden agenda
Oh yes.
None at all
Great design making it look vampiric, would have been even better if one of those rivulets of blood fell on the engraving's bowl and followed the liquid into his mouth, 100% would have given an ancient vampire feeling... Maybe too on the nose.
That's out of character knowledge and most people who play Bloodlines were not tabletop players when they first played it. He still manipulates the PC.
Are you a fricking moron? EVERYONE in the game is trying to manipulate you to their own ends, there are no good or nice people in Bloodlines, that's part of what it makes so much fun. Every single Vampire in the game is a piece of shit that only sees you as yet another piece in the endless game of the Masquerade.
>in the endless game of the Masquerade
Jyhad
>there are no good or nice people in Bloodlines
Caine is
honestly caine is a bit weird because in the lore he's actually not nice at all, he's not evil though, he's just angry, miserable and doesn't care anymore
Not actively fricking you over and giving you a ride around town is objectively nice
>he's not evil though
But here's the thing, he's the reason why the world of darkness is shit in the first place in both the demon and the vampire splats, he's the guy who ruined everything for everyone. Everything gets traced back to when he invented murder, and it's a failed world.
If Caine apologizes for killing Abel then shit's all good, old vampires crumble, young vampires turn human again, Caine goes to heaven and everyone gets to chill, but he won't apologize because he did nothing wrong and everyone is suffering because of him and he knows, but doesn't care.
If you are the reason why everything is fricked and you can solve it but you won't because "I did nothing wrong", can you still be considered a good guy?
>oy vey, anon
>just sign this document saying you committed this heinous crime even though you didn't do anything wrong
It's nice of him to avoid getting involved and making things worse, I guess?
Everyone, or just Vampires? Because there are plenty of okay people in the game, and Beckett is literally doing his own thing, unless you count him giving you a warning about the sarcophagus as manipulating you.
>Every single Vampire in the game is a piece of shit
>Strauss
>Beckett
>Every single Vampire in the game is a piece of shit
The lone wolf.
The man on the couch (not a vampire but close enough)
Mercurio is canonically the nicest person to you right? somewhere it says that in game.
I guess technically, everyone in the game tries to get you to do something for them. I don't know if that's "manipulation" in every case because sometimes they are genuinely grateful and are willing to help you do what YOU want, which I think Mercurio is probably the best example of.
Mercurio and Beckett are the only ones you can trust.
The taxi driver (You Know Who) lets you make your own decisions and just gives you cryptic advice.
as the troika shirt chick proves, most anarchs only run on a blind hate for authority and specifically the camarilla.
nines is the only motherfricker with a better idea of how to run shit. jack is very wise and recognizes this. it's obvious jack doesn't want to be a leader despite his wisdom, but he is out for the betterment of people he deems worthy which is why he takes you under his wing
it's all too common with anti-establishment establishments. nines version of the anarchs is unique and basically irreproducible without someone like him because the sole denominator is frick authority
>Camarilla
wasn't that more of a faction than a clan?
All of what he listed there are sects, aka, factions, what're you talking about?
camarilla was the faction that grouped brujah, toreador, malkavian, nosferatus, etc
and sabbath was i believe the "evil" faction with lasombra and tzimisces and other baddies
the sects while having "official" clan affilitations with them do not treat that as a hard rule, antitribu or "anti-clan" types exist, especially in the sabbat (no H on there buddy)
the sects are also a tad more complicated than goodies and baddies.
Ah yes, the antitribu ones had their own Character Page. Was looking for my old book with the rules and backgrounds, couldn't find it. But I remember Camarilla being more a Faction, hence why I asked that question above. Carry on, just had a stroke of nostalgia reading about the clans here.
All of the things he listed in that post are factions, the camerilla, the sabbat, and the anarchs are Factions, sects, they are not clans.
Yeah, for some reason I thought that people were calling Brujahs "Anarchs"
My bad
Ventrue >>>> All
>posts pic of Lasombra
But yeah, Vetrue are the best. Not the b***hy le 4D chess playing suited monkey whiny b***h kind of Ventrue, but the ones who actually get shit done.
Lasombra are the best.
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I was always confused, are the Sabbat clans descended from Caine too?
All Kindred are
even the kuei-jin?
They're not vampires. At all. They're closer to Revenants (folklore) in a western sense, an evil spirit possessing a corpse. They're arbitrarily region locked to East Asia because for some reason Asia is the special magic land in the original setting.
They're also far less interesting than Bloodlines makes them out to be and are essentially a proxy for some writers "pshhht, nothin' personnel, gaijin" fantasy. If there's anything I hold against Bloodlines, it's making people think the Kuei-Jin could even be redeemed as a concept.
>making people think the Kuei-Jin could even be redeemed as a concept.
Doubt anyone thought they are cool.
I think they're fine as a foreign threat that inhabits the same sort of niche as vampires do
That's how I consider the best way to play every World of Darkness game
Instead of autistically trying to fit them nicely together and fail, just make it so there's just diminished versions of the other properties in the game you play
So you don't have to worry how the world works if God is real at the same time as Gaia
Nah, Kuei-jin are called vampires but as Ming Xiao will condescendingly tell you, they're not kindred.
The Wan Kuei are their own brand of supernatural
Kindred are the proper, western vampire
Caine was cursed and passed his curse to 3 childer, who then passed their curse to 13 others and those eventually passed their course to form the 13 major clans and their derived bloodlines
The only clans not descended from Caine directly (debatable) is the Tremere and the bloodline Nagaraja. Both were mortal magicians who used a ritual to steal vampirism, but both still have a Generation and thus could still be considered children of Caine.
Yes. The split happened in the Middle Ages when the Church became aware of this vampiric shadow society, and elders started sending their neonates out to fight and die against this Inquisition while they scurried away to safety. This continued on until there was enough dissatisfaction to culminate in the Anarch Revolt, where the younger vampires rebelled and tried to overthrow their elders, clans Tzimisce and Lasombra had the most success in this managing to "kill" their Antediluvians.
Ultimately this civil war could not continue while mankind was wiping them out simultaneously, and so a council was brokeraged, the elders accepted some things needed to change and so codified the Traditions and the Masquerade, some of the Anarchs accepted this peace and these along with the elders would go on to become the Camarilla and the Anarchs, the remaining Anarchs saw this as a betrayal and return to servitude and would leave to become the Sabbat.
The game was rushed for Christmas. Be thankful they were allowed time to finish up Hollywood.
I feel like most /x/ users are malks
My first playthrough as a Tremere spoiled me. I killed Ming Xiao in a few seconds by spamming blood magic and then on every other run that fight took me forever and I hated it.
i fricked my first time with console commands fixing a glitch in chinatown. the last section of the game starting with the hobo hotel the ai was disabled. i reloaded saves after to play with the ai enabled, it was pretty trash especially the chinese temple, so i just did most of it on god mode.
i did however do the cammie tower normally. that was actually decent except the flying gorilla's cancer spell that basically immobilizes you or whatever.
definitely got the full fricking experience of this flawed masterpiece.
>i did however do the cammie tower normally.
Speaking of, sometimes during the first phase he deals damage even if I'm blocking and sometimes he just doesn't. Did anyone have this issue?
Old as in age or as in blood?
Age. Which one's been alive the longest.
Author's name is vice sk6. Pointing that out because anon did not said it.
Or maybe I am wrong. It's the only sauce I can found.
I always save the flamethrower ammo from the fleet-footed God for that fight.
i only beat ming xiao cause it glitches out every single time i do it
>he opened it
>destroyed bosses
It's funny because it's a garbage gun in real life
I think the SPAS 12 was also shit and only got Hollywood cred thanks to Schwarzenegger massacring a police station with one and an AR-180..
I'm surprised Franchi could stay in business.
Yeah, it's only famous because of it's aesthetic
That's why you'll never see it with that folding stock extended, it would ruin the look.
The gun itself is heavy as all frick and pretty shitty overall
Hello, Neonate
>What up cuh? Shit we out here for real for real in this spooky ass mansion, nah'm sayin' homie?
sup max
What clan should I pick for pic?
Whichever you like the flavor of the most, game's beatable as any of them.
forgot pic
I think Lasombra would fit Alucard best, but they aren't playable except in some mods.
>Tremere
>Blood magic and stealth
>when you aren't sneaking around snapping necks you're cheesing every encounter with blood magic
have fun
What's the oldest vampire in the game?
Not counting the fact that the driver might legit be Caine himself.
Jack, followed by LA Croix or Andre, and then either Mogilla Gorilla or Issac.
Isn't Lacroix just 200 or 300 years tops?
Yeah, but there aren't exactly a lot of other choices for older people, Gorilla homie is subservient to Croix, so he is almost certainly younger, and Issac seems to be relatively young given he seems to have been embraced sometime just before or as movies became a thing.
Hard to say with Andre, but he seems a lot like a guy from around the same time as Croix.
Jack is old though.
200
Embraced while in Napoleon's service
So 1800 to 1815 at most
Likely Strauss or Andrei.
Both exhibit powers only possible to the 7th Gen, likely placing them on the 3 centuries age
Beckett is old as frick too
5 actually
bet they would be like 500-700 years old, most 7th gens were made in the middle ages
Yeah, I meant 5 centuries at the least
Strauss and Andrej are definitely Dark Ages vampires
And also, even for DA a 7th kindred is unusually low gen.
It's the lowest the player can start after all
Honestly, it's weird how we beat old vampires and one of the best vampire hunter in under a week.
There's Gehenna shenanigans abound
Also possible vampiric divine intervention
And tbh, you also get ludicrously strong faster than than you should at the tabletop, just not as fast
Players are active while npcs are reactive after all.
Wasn't there an implication that we have a way lower generation, when compared to the average modern vampire? Specifically when La'Croix tries to dominate you later in the game and you just don't care.
Dominate can be gotten over with enough willpower, regardless of gen. But based on your blood pool, you are 8th gen.
LaCroix rolled badly. Shit happens.
He's also just plain not the elder he presents himself as, actual elders consider him a neonate.
you're constantly on your feet getting into shootouts, whereas most of the other vampires in the game never leave the house
VTM works like that, you play a story, you get involved in whatever story the ST tells, level up way too fast fast, eventually you can go toe to toe with elder npcs even tho you've been playing that story for 2 weeks
Grout was quite old as well, wasn't he?
Eh. He seems to treat Sigmund Freud as a peer and contemporary, so about the same age as LaCroix, decades younger likely
Tbh, LaCroix is pretty old for the New World.
Grout seemed to be a californian local, so he's probably late 1800's at the oldest.
The sabbat are the most delusional vampires, they are sad and pathetic.
That's what we've been telling you
It's a short game, and only the first 2/3rds are actually good
You bought his ware?
god bless the allegiance flag
It was pretty cool
LaCroix's laugh when he opens the sarcophagus and sees what's inside is voice acting kino
LaCroix as a whole is remarkably well voice acted. Makes me love the scheming little scamp no matter what faction I'm going with.
Yeah, he's superb
Coupled with the phenomenal way that the source engine renders facial animations in a way that's realistic but without the deep uncanny valley of modern mocapture and he's one of the best characters and villains in vidya
Shame the actors never seemed to have done much else
Is source2 similar in the facial animations department?
It's impossible that Andrew Wilson isn't some sort of demon in disguise
He looks so much like the human for Satan takes in films
Hey, he work for EA.
how hard would it be to get my 5e playing normie friends to try out the WoD tabletop?
I got some vidya friends to try it during our first 5e campaign together, it was kind of a mess since it was my first time running anything. It certainly is hard to get get 5e normies to break out of the bubble I know.
If they like goth stuff or spooky stuff, not hard. The real struggle is making sure they don't end up lobbying to play V5 because it's the newest and the propagated lie that it's the most accessible.
Easier than if they were 3.5 grognards, since it's so simplified
Get better friends.
Why is Caine interested in the whole sarcophagus operation?
He's not, he hates everything and everyone, if the driver is caine he's just fricking around
>be ancient vampire
>is 1.53 meter tall
>it was tall for your time
>everyone called you a manlet now
Kek, this was a plotpoint in the campaign I played a while back.
>my character is a manlet
>hones his body into peak condition before his embrace, bit cannot escape manletness
>Tzimische can't help him
>dump all of my points into Celerity
>an Antediluvian becomes part of the plot
>betray the entire party and attempt to diablerize the Antediluvian because it would make me taller
>gain as many inches as a dice roll allows
>still only 5.11"
Truly the curse of Cain runs deep.
only 5.11"
Which is tall, right fellow non-manlets?
For me, it's that girl you can frick in the Giovanni mansion
The one that flies into a rage if a female character tries seducing her?
I like how the game has speech checks that just plain don't work. Makes it more interesting than just "click pink to solve quest" or such.
Yeah, the Giovanni being murderous undead mobsters but still nominally keeping the Catholicism and hating gays and prods is the sort of interesting character building that barely exists anymore
>What the frick was that ending?
Anyone who looks at the masquerade and thinks they're above it all will get blown to shit because there will always be someone who's more experienced and more wise than you in the vampire society. Humility is important, don't be a moron and go around acting like you're the main character of the world.
>Why was it so short?
Rushed development.
>Anyone who looks at the masquerade and thinks they're above it all will get blown
Based anarchposter
>"Uhh yeah hey Mr. LaCroix, that sure was some move by "xxdemonstyxxyxx" wasn't it?
Vtmb2 side quest revealing Chunk rescued LaCroix from the blast and has since been living in the shitty sewers with Gary
>VTMB2 is just VTMB1 but completed as per Troika’s original vision
Would you?
Including the hundreds of characters with unique voice acting and multiplayer mode?
I don't see what's the negative
Fair enough, let me make it more difficult.
>VTMB2 is just VTMB1 but completed as per Troika’s original vision
>but the new voice lines are of different audio quality and voice actor, so characters will sound like one VA in one second and then a completely different dude the next
>characters will sound like one VA in one second and then a completely different dude the next
some autism combined with 11.ai would fix this
For me, it's Toreador, the best clan
>Daughters of Cacophony apropos of nothing
>not tricks Michael...BLOOD MAGIC!
>So you can manipulate reality to your will?
>Well, no, it isn't REAL magic, it's...BLOOD MAGIC!
>lacroix loses no matter what
>pick the ending where lacroix' side wins
>lacroix still loses
name a bigger jobber
He's also treated as a joke by everyone and has no friends and nobody likes him
I wonder what he did back in Europe to piss off an Elder so much he'd get reassigned to Antarctica but not killed
>a neonate not even a week into unlife and a Spanish communist manage to defeat an Awoo Crew 2-0
Garoubros…
the funny chill guy having the highest powerlevel is one of the best tropes ever
Yeah I am a total fricking sucker for it.
What a merry looking fellow!
In this game in particular it's carried even harder by John DiMaggio. He just brings Jack to life and makes him such a believable character.
who was sending you the chess analogies
Grout. Or Jack. Or Caine. Or maybe all three. Who knows?
According to the pen and paper rules, Jack has zero knowledge in computer use, so it couldn't be him.
Jack or Caine
Likely Caine
nosferatu randos fricking with you
It was just an online chess service spam.
Is all chess service spam this ominous?
Like you wouldn't believe, pawn.
Grout
>inb4 He was murdered you dumbass!
Faked his death. All Kindred when they die disintegrate completely but for some reason Grout leaves behind a skeleton? Guy was prepping for this the whole time.
What did Ming Xiao do then? Seems weird she would fall for such an obvious fake.
She does. Depending on your choices.
does MIng Xiao actually know that all Kindred turn completly into ash?
Ming Xiao showcases to the PC that her knowledge on Vampires is lacking and is still growing.
>Chains and stabs a stake into supposedly Grout which we know only paralyses vampires
>”What strain of Caine’s curse” she doesn’t know the Malkavian affliction. But knows the Nosferatu affliction. She supposedly killed Grout how does she not know what Malkavian’s are?
Don’t think she did kill him or at least just put a body on display to fulfil the deal and get what she wants especially when the guy who has been prepping for his betrayal and is Malkavian who are known to see glimpses of the future probably wasn’t there.
Grout
>Chessboard tile pattern all over the mansion
>Likes puzzles
>Is Malkavaian and can see the future
>Has been prepping for this
>Supposedly was killed with a stake in the heart and a skeleton remains.
Nah not buying it
I've done done the cam, anarch and independent endings but I can't really bring myself to do another run to see the other two endings when I know you just end up dead in both of them
Why is VtMB the only game to give me deus ex vibes that isn’t deus ex?
I felt the same and never got an answer
All that I heard in response was endless autismo over what is an immersive sim
maybe because you spend a lot of time talking to other characters. also night time.
because JC wears the same outfit as blade?
also matrix references.
all other imsims are set in isolated locations like space ships and space stations
deus ex and vtmb are the only ones set in cities
Good writing
Urban night time.
Immersive sim with turn of the millennium vibes.
Still waiting on the fabled third member of this holy trinity of OS kino. No other recommendations have hit the same.
I got a sense of deja vu while playing the game
tfw ventrue with a toreador gf
Tremere with Salubri gf that hates everything I am and stand for but also loves me and wants me seek redemption and Golconda
Using her for your nefarious needs!
There's no love between the undead.
But I like think what he had was real and the closest it could ever get.
So is Tien a Salubri?
Tien is a virgin
Fine, I'll do another playthrough. Is Gangrel fun?
Only if you like mashing buttons
I'd rather mash Damsel if you know what I'm saying
I don't quite understand it
https://www.artstation.com/artwork/QzO04L
Low humanity high intimidate gangrel is kino. Make sure to bully everyone
The game was rushed which is why the ending is the way it is. Also the reason why Santa Monica is so good while the other maps are kinda meh is because Troika managed to rework Santa Monica right before the release while the other ones were pretty much unchanged from the early beta build of the game due to time constrains.
Idk why but Alpha Protocol reminds me a lot of this game. Maybe due to sheer amount of choices?
sex with Misha
Frick Vampires.
Give me my Hunter game.
This, where's our relatively low or no power hunter game?
>Awakened to the supernatural everywhere
>Delta Green levels of hopelessness
>Band together with other hunters to investigate weird shit in the neighborhood
>Gather contacts, make plans
>Have to decide which supernaturals you can trust (if any)
>Ambushing Vampires and Werewolves with improvised weapons, traps, black market guns and occult artefacts
>Hideout system that you must defend if you frick up and your team is tracked down ala xcom
>Team has persistent traits, skills and morale effects, some may eventually become rogue lunatics
>Spooky, high stakes combat with an emphasis on preparation
Exploring and surviving a VTMB/White Wolf style setting is much more interesting when you're just some butthole who saw too much, plus much more satisfying if you actually manage to take anything down
Try Out for Blood, if you can deal with it being a text game primarily.
A Delta Green game in general would be cool
A Cthulhutech anime as well. I always headcannoned that Delta Green's main stories took place before Cthulhutech anyway
Dudes who made the Coteries/Shadows visual novels are making an isometric Hunter game afaik. But it might be Reckoning and not Vigil.
Tactical operators hunting spooky shit seems like a good idea considering how many people like backrooms/SCP shit already.
Based.
What is this from?
Pretty sure it's from the Bloodhunt battle-royale game
If it did one thing right it was making me want to be a hunter even more.
The specific Operator is from the "Entity Special Operations Group" (ESOG or just "Entity) and is part of the Vatican's Second Inquisition
I love their fricking designs and want to play as one so bad. Gives really big Hellsing vibes
Here's the full version
I'd kill for a Mage game.
Which one would be easier to make a game about: Ascension or Awakening?
I'm gonna be honest with you anon, I have no idea. Never managed to convince my friends to play it. That IS why I want a videogame.
Probably Awakening, since their casting system can actually be quantified and don't depend on whatever paradigm the player comes up with.
Let me guess, you NEED more?
Yes
>Tremere get a unique house that no other clan gets
>it comes with an item that makes your blood magic even more OP
I'm guessing the devs really like Tremere
>siding with the Tremere regent gives you one of like two good endings
makes you think
nah it fits the tremere trope, you're part of a powerful clan but have to sacrifice personal freedom, deal with the devil sort of thing. Lorewise the tremere are blood bound to their older superiors, so they're all slaves toe the man in charge
Who is this bawd?
My haven is a girl-free zone
>My haven is a girl-free zone
You need someone to experiment on.
But girls are icky
Seriously though, who is that npc? A new Clan Quest Mod addition?
>who is that npc?
its Heather with her "dark and gothic" outfit
Ohhh
It is
I've been putting her in a blouse and panties for so long I forgot she had a goth outfit
>'ick on 'ampire
>tfw did my first run as a Tremere but missed out the exclusive haven
Same lol. Guess that makes me an independent Tremere.
in my case, independent to follow the anarchs and open the fricking box lol
>these shit baby havens
ENTER
>best Andrei can come up with is a bunch of corpses hanging from chandeliers
I expected far better from an elder Tzimisce, to be honest. Pulsating mounds of flesh, pipe systems and torch sconces made out of people, anything. Even some creatively fleshcrafted dead bodies in the shape of the Sabbat ankh.
He was decorating the basement of a literal crack house, I'm surprised he put even that much effort into it.
If you're going to do something, you at least do it right. For instance, you could have all the nerve bundles of those incorporated set to the floor, and as someone walks along it the various assembled into the superstructure awaken, screaming out in a chorus that serves both as an alarm and a building ambiance.
>t.tzimisce
I'm calling a blood hunt
Anon, there are no Tzimisce here. A Tzimisce would talk about how they set up a patron to ingest raw sewage and has their anus rigged up to function as a sconce for cost-effective interior lightning.
>Th-there are no tzimisce here
The camarilla already knows your location, start fleeing, because neither your weak fleshlings nor you flimsy zulo form are gonna save you
See, this is the type of overly elaborated edgy shit that made people reconsider the Tzimisce Clan
You can't be Dracula expies as Old Blood Transylvanian Nobles with dark powers AND terrifying transhumanist tortures alien parasites
Now this is Tzimisceposting. I am taking notes.
>Posting a haven of some parasite controlled corpse
Old Tzimisce were right
Andrei looked so goofy flip flopping there. Like, what the frick was he thinking? I was laughing but I suppose he wanted to intimidate me?
>I suppose he wanted to intimidate me?
Yes
I'd get over the corpses before I could ever get over the random ass floor torch placements
You are now an immortal vampire. What clan are you from and who is the first person you try to ghoul/embrace?
Gangrel
My 10 year old dog because I don't want to see him gone.
Is it even possible to ghoul animals?
Yes.
Nosferatu like to do it with the (literal) sewer rats
malkavian
my cat
Tzimisce
This random guy which I will sistematically breed to create the perfect ghoul (which I will then turn into the most comfortable chair ever created)
Malkavian
first random person I see
Giovanni.
Todd Howard will be my ghoul.
Tremere and also the one girl I like plus my pet skink.
Should I reinstall it?
I want to reinstall this game. I remember there was a patch that added a bunch of content like special missions for each clan and stuff like that. Does anyone remember what was it called?
clan quest mod
Samantha is cute
tfw no secret route where you skip heather and take samantha as your ghoul instead
there's gotta be a mod for that
I just bought this game do I download that unofficial patch before I play?
Yes. The game is almost unplayable without it. If you're on steam remember to launch the game via the exe it dumps on the desktop instead of from steam directly, or you'll miss out on all the extra content for some reason.
I would just do teh basic patch and not the plus for your first run
Why can't we make pacts with demons and shit? infernalists are sooooooo cooooool! and also very powerful! your soul is damned anyways, might as well be cooooool
>Why can't we make pacts with demons and shit? infernalists are sooooooo cooooool! and also very powerful! your soul is damned anyways, might as well be cooooool
garbage game
cool music and visuals and soul and shit
Reading about the Tzimisce, they're guest right stuff and sleeping in dirt are cool.
Therese and Jeanette are surprisingly very high humanity
Both express a distaste for violence and about it as much as they can
Except Jeanette doesn't sick hired thugs to kill you.
She does.
Either her or Therese will do it depending on who you're favoring
What ending is that?
Camarilla ending. The player sides with Strauss and the coffin never goes off since nobody opens it.
In hindsight, he really should have known something was up.
there's literally nothing wrong with using the awp
your team needs one
holy SOUL
where in the game is this?
it's from the Prelude mod
Aw they're smiling 🙂
Can someone explain to me what the deal with the Baali is? Do they worship some form of ground demons? Why are they so hilariously evil? Why are ground demons worse than whatever the Tremere, Tzimisce or that one fae-blooded Lasombra bloodline do?
It is because they are a small group and consort with evil that they are so hated, as well as their ability to convert even other Vampires into one of them.
But why are they so hated when even the Tzimisce and Tremere have allies?
Tzimisce and Tremere don't consort nearly as much with world ending demons.
Well Baali aren't a big deal nowadays but when they had their shit together they were world-ending threats. Some want to destroy the world by awakening not earthbounds but rather lovecraftian cosmic horrors, while other baali do super fricked up crap just to keep them asleep. You don't want them to rebuild so they gotta be killed on sight.
also just because you're evil doesn't mean the other evil guys with put up with your shit, there were a pedo werewolf clan who only targeted kids for fricked up rituals, and when they were being hunted for their atrocities they asked other bad guys (nephandi mages and black spiral dances aka the bad werewolf guys) for help and they were like "no, eat shit you sick frick, hope you die"
Wait, wait, hold up. Ok, the baali are hated because most of them want to end the world. But why the frick would the nephandi mages, a group that as far as I know pride themselves on being evil and corrupt. I mean, don't they literally more or less break reality when they get to their version of archmage? Anyway why would they morally grandstand to anyone? Did the pedo werewolves not pay them enough?
Maybe they didn't matter in the grand scheme, black spiral dancers and pentex also didn't help them, I don't know everyone has to draw the line somewhere. So what they did was target children and abuse them with really bad acts to corrupt them so when they grew up they would be fed up with the world and also do that thing to others.
Also when it comes to Baali, really powerful ones like Nergal (Most powerful vampire stated), who is sleeping under Mexico, are a really big fricking threat. Nergal alone is corrupting everyone who operates in Mexico including mages, technocracy mages, werewolves, vampires etc, and he's just sleeping and can't wake up. Plus he was the one controlling the Sabbat until recently just by influence alone.
>baali
>that opening with the shota and the priest
Nah I get it.
What game?
>chinese mansion place
>ventrue tower
the endgame of this is a fricking slog. its like they stopped caring and said "ah frick it just throws hours of bulletsponge enemies in their way"
almost like the game was rushed because of activision or something
venture tower was fine as a final level honestly, it's the kuei jin palace and hallowbrook hotel that were godawful
I don't think those bamboo traps ever work properly.
Duh.
They're made by the Chinese
Palace and Hotel just go on for too long, same as the sewers. Feels like they would have been fine with some playtesting and trimming. Venture Tower I thought was pretty good.
I think Venture tower is pretty good.
The problem is that you can't just out three final dungeons sequentially
Ventrue tower isn't that long.
Chinese mansion and warren are fricking shit.
For me, it's GORGEOUS GARY GOLDEN
He's very clever, well informed and powerful for a neonate
My pet theory is that given his acting chops and charisma in life, he's the face of the Nosferatu in LA with someone older/higher up calling the shots (although the nosferatu you see in the warrens are all youngsters themselves).
Well, Alonzo Guillen is there.
Most ATTRACTIVE fledgling?
>female
Malk
>male
Tremere
>female
Brujah
>male
that shit gay nigguh
>he doesn't appreciate the aesthetics of the male form
>in wod
ngmi
Brujah or Temere
>>male
I'm not gay
But it's Temere because Gangrel has dreads
Sideburns are cool. They should make a comeback.
>female
Brujah
>male
Toreador
Ventrie male x Malk female.
Who is the artist that does these? I've never been able to find them.
I don't know anon, I took them from another thread
Can anyone redpill me on the megacorporations that work for lovecraftian shitlords or something like that? I remember reading something about that but it was too bizarre for someone who thought the setting is just about vamps and furries.
>Can anyone redpill me on the megacorporations that work for lovecraftian shitlords or something like that?
are you sure you're not getting this mixed up with shadowrun
I just found out that I was talking about Technocracy.
nah it's pentex and it's like the big bad of the werewolf splat, you ever hear that shit about FPS games making people violent? well that's actually a thing in WoD, Pentex is a mega corporate that owns a lot of companies that frick the world in different ways (destroy every forest to build cities and contaminate everything, take all of the planet's resources, make video games/movies that frick people up mentally etc etc), and all to destroy the planet because they are corrupted by the Wyrm which I guess what you mean by lovecraftian shit but it's some other weird stuff, like a concept that went insane and now wants to destroy everything.
But it really doesn't have anything to do with vampires, vampires are tainted by the wyrm and lots work at pentex but this is a werewolf thing.
>tfw no Brujah gf
>Whenever you reach the Ventrue tower level.
I wish I could forget this game and play it for the first time again.
Redpill me on the lore. Is it good? I know some bits here and there like Antedeluvians are bad news and werewolves are fricking OP, most vampires are bumfricks who get absolutely clapped by a semi-moronic wizard etc.
Is it deep enough to get lost in without the rampant autism present in shit like WH40k?
Yeah, it's pretty nice
>Is it deep enough to get lost in without the rampant autism present in shit like WH40k?
You'll have to deal with severe left wing homosexualry from the creators.
It's really hit or miss. The highs are high but the lows are low.
Bloodlines covers the broadstrokes. Then you just start digging into aspects you like and disregard the shit bits.
Let see what ToreChads did
>Arikel is the favorite and the oldest of Caine
>Her brother and sister Antediluvians SEETHE with jealousy because of her beauty and power
>Clan "curse" is boon to make her Kindred feel alive
>inspiration for the Path of Humanity
>Arikel is still up and running without causing too much havoc; might be in Greece
>While the goddess of vanity, she's the most humane vampire in existence.
>Toreadors are the leaders of culture
>so hedonistic, they can topple empires like Rome and Carthage
>Ventures and Brujah still SEETHE at Toreadors because they believe Toreadors caused their pet empires to fall which they did lol
>founded the Camarilla
>Started the Renaissance
>started many trends really
>can manipulate kine with just words or just a bit of Presence
>sex appeal so strong even the most cold Tremere fall for them
>Malkavian lovers flock to them
>Gangrel and Nosferatu pine for them
>Venture prize them
>Tzimisce praise them
>Asamites are befuddled by them
>guardians of Elysiums
>throw the grandest parties where if you're not invited, you're basically a nobody
>hide behind the facade of being airheads while manipulating you and others
>leave oldgays in the dust by getting with the times
>best girls are from the Clan of the Rose
When did you noticed Toreadors are the most powerful Clan, Ganker?
Also, they might have caused the Holocaust to get inspiration from the suffering of israelites.
>Malkavian lovers flock to them
>Gangrel and Nosferatu pine for them
>Venture prize them
>Tzimisce praise them
>Asamites are befuddled by them
Source?
Source: Toreador
Yeah, yeah, just don’t fall in love with the sunrise, you fruit.
Speaking of, does anyone those screenshots of the Camarilla Toreador who wrote and review the lovers from different clans she had.
See above
Best clan for an rpg for sure, all your skills benefit dialogue.
I suddenly remembered World of Darkness: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PxR-aC4yWs0
Why?
I’m gonna post the greatest VTMB fanfiction that has ever been written, just so you can suffer alongside me.
Post it then?
https://m.fanfiction.net/s/6046451/1/Bitter-Escape
Oopsie
>written in the first person
Off to a brilliant start
Died of cringe within first two sentences. Read good literature to improve your prose and don't try to pander to incel crowd too much.
That was awful, it looked just like the character treatise I wrote for my Tremere char.
>Reads first two sentences
>My name was Luke.
>I never really got out much
Anon you said fanfiction, not your personal blog. Link the fanfiction
Do tr*m*r* really?
It wasn't finished when it shipped. The devs were open about it and they had to release it due to some commitments with retail
What the frick was his problem?
>Gets out of a hunter ambush with your help.
>Immediately falls into another one.
At least it knocked any pretensions of still being a Hollywood star out of him.
Toreador are deeply still tied to their humanity, but they are dead creatures thus the spark of creativity and fulfillment slowly, but surely, dies. I honestly I find Toreador have the second worse fate of all the clans. Imagine feeling yourself die again at slow pace.
>slowly, but surely, dies
Not true at all
Love La Sombra. Still don't know how I feel about them becoming Camarilla but I suppose them being in with the psychopathic Sabbat made even less sense in the grand scheme of things
>but I suppose them being in with the psychopathic Sabbat made even less sense in the grand scheme of things
Are you aware of how the Lasombra select new embraces? They single someone out and then proceed to destroy their entire lives and inflict ceaseless suffering and misfortune on them to break them down.
>Still don't know how I feel about them becoming Camarilla
It's dumb and moronic like everything in V5
>but I suppose them being in with the psychopathic Sabbat made even less sense in the grand scheme of things
It made a lot of sense because it perfectly sums up the Lasombra, unable to secure a leadership position in the Camarilla, they instead preferred to hang around the caitiff and the antitribu and the crazy slavic vampiric trannies rather than willingly submit to the ventrue
The tzimisce seem pretty creative.
Violence will always be the most basic motivation for creativity.
Ex-successful actor who let the fame get to his head, made dumb decision and OD'd from drugs. Abrams embraced him to save his life and he had to give up his movie star carrer because being a vampire.
Imagine VV being your "sister"
I'd never leave her club.
death would have been preferable to being embraced
>just finished playing
>see thread
>get the pic related feel again
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
you will never escape the hunger
Low humanity or nossie run this time anon, get to it.
>want to replay it
>remember Chinese mansion and Ming Xiao
To be fair, thats right at the fricking end.
So does LaCroix get pegged by Jeanette or what? Because if so, based.
tzimisce gaming
>play nosferatu
>eat rats
yep. I’m thinking game of the century
>another comfy VtMB thread on Ganker
This board is good sometimes. Or maybe it was the game being fricking amazing.
I'm going to reinstall, does anybody know if you can frick Jeanette as a female Malkavian? also Modern Harley Quinn was inspired by Jeanette
Jeannette will frick anything, anon. She fricks a Nos on the side. You think not having a dick will stop her?
The fade-to-black even has appropiate moans according to the character, if I remember correctly.
I can fix her.
therese would unironically be more fun in bed
For me, it's Tourette.
eeeh not really, the nature of the malkavians curse is that if you ever "fix" it, you immediately develop a new problem.
Good evening kindred, very comfy thread as usual, I hate Tremere so much it's unreal.
She can fix me....into a communist.
you mean a college communist who has never experienced the real world, there's a reason why she gets the "college girl" snide remark from skelter.
>*desperate for pussy voice* and what was Karl Marx's conflict theory?
would genuinely rather put up with jeanette
are we going to continue ignore Rudi?
I think even gay modernized WW has shelved him
IF I GO WILL YOU FOLLOW
THROUGH THE CRACKS AND HOLLOWS
AND I WOULD BE YOUR CAINE
IF YOU WOULD BE HERE NOOOOOOW
Speaking of music I really liked all of the clan themes from the Succubus club. Nossies reporting in
LET THE RAAAAAAAAIN FAAAAAAAALL NO MOOOOOORE
THE EMPIRE OF THE VAMPIRE
WHERE DREAMS TURN INTO FRIGHT
IN THE LAND CALLED TRANSYLVANIA
WHERE LIFE BEGINS AT NIGHT
PREY
PREY
PREY
YOU'RE EVERYTHING I NEED
I'LL NEVER CRAWL AGAIN
I'LL NEVER FALL AGAIN
>Spaghetti and corpses, boss.
are they still working on VTMB2 or not
also since I guess it's based on v5 and there's no way they let you play anything but cammy, you think we can play lasombra?
>are they still working on VTMB2 or not
yes, more news in september
>and there's no way they let you play anything but cammy, you think we can play lasombra?
we don't know
Somewhat. The studio led by one of the writers fell apart. Paradox was ready to can it but, allegedly, The Chinese Room wanted to pick up the project. I think that's what happened, more or less?
>le Ganker conformist zoomer
not everything was made to cater to you, you deranged fomo autist. stick to your lane.
Environments look great but it's really the facial animations that should matter.
>this
Everything they've shown off not showing a person has been really good work, but there's a pre-alpha looking Mass Effect 1 facial animations going on.
That would just kill the game even if it had phenomenal voice acting. One of the hallmarks of the original was how energetic the facial animations were as well as the distinct stylization of character models, most of which are incredibly attractive befitting the vapid goth club scene aesthetic. Autistic & uncanny unreal face simply can't work here.
can a vampire be redeemed
Yes, bit it isn't easy
What is this?
It's a symbol of a Clan composed of moral refugees from the other clans and whose signature disciple Bardo is mostly about regaining lost humanity as vampires
I only picked it because there's no symbol for Golconda tho
Kinda sucks that getting actual redemption and a second chance relies on a fricking angry prideful manchild apologizing and you literally can't do anything about it. You just age, get worse over the years, fight to retain humanity or become a monster until the very end of the world.
Well, it's supposed to be a game about personal horror and the struggles for your humanity
>I only picked it because there's no symbol for Golconda
Chad
Children of Osiris. Clan who were redeemed by Osiris for being good guys so that White Wolf didn't have to deal with an "obviously the good guys" faction and could deal more with the Inconnu and Camerilla.
The most well known one that is regarded by most kindred as a fairy tale is goldconda, it's a form of.. enlightenment that requires some serious fricking hoops jumped through in terms of humanity and "you die if you fail this" checks.
There are many benefits to achieving it though, like blood consumption for merely existing dropping to 1 blood point a week rather than a day, and being immune to frenzy, losing their clan weakness, and even learning disciplines without generation limits.
do vampires sweat? i bet damsels converse smell lovely
No, they are walking corpses, there is actually a flaw that *can* cause a vampire to sweat but the only bodily fluid they have is vitae, so uh.. you don't want a sweaty vampire.
damsels pale dry cold soles....
If they want they can spend blood to perform body functions they normally wouldn't be able to do anymore
Some sweat blood and they have no way to prevent it
They don't do so naturally, no.
Vampires can move vitae around within themselves to simulate things like a heartbeat or warmth, or even secrete it like tears or swear, but it's vitae, so...
Time for another playthrough. Any mods v would recommend
Grabbing the unofficial patch of course
The modding scene is honestly not that robust for bloodlines, most mods out there are just going to be model replacers and the like, and anything actually adding real content is wrestling with pre-half life 2 source engine jank.
wish i knew more about my hotwife who sired me
Clan Quest Mod has an interesting bit with the Tremere quest, where you get stuck on your mind and meet her, or an impression of her from your memory or maybe her personality attuned to her blood which courses in your veins, and she seems to imply you were chosen for a purpose
I just got this new interpretation for the whole VV interaction
>vamps no longer have sex drive
>sex is still kinda enjoyable but you need "effort" to make it so and it's still less pleasurable than drinking
>need high humanity too
>therefore, you flirting back with VV makes (you) objectively special based on vamp stats
>she gets her Torry g-spot massajed
I understand the idea of the PC not understanding yet that sex is kinda shit but this does explain the cringe poems she sends you later
She's a toreador, she got you to do shit she didn't want to have to do herself by biting her lip and acting cute.
She's also young and not really that experienced
https://vocaroo.com/1jNuNcbOGatl
https://vocaroo.com/1lgaxj4AqZwQ
https://vocaroo.com/131Ruonl4ZGL
is this lore
https://vocaroo.com/1djcubUeOlBk
I'll let you know that I'm not affiliated to any sect because everyone hates my ass, thank you
Name a single western game with a good ending. You can't.
I can.
Munch's Oddysee
I never got past chinatown
ahhh fine reinstalling
used to play it every christmas
There's a couple mods to try out, though some of them are kinda shit
War Games is the best choice for a "new game" feel, because it's set in WW2 with ... kinda interest way to re-use and re-color assets. The voice acting is objectively shit except for your Sire and if I cared enough I'd remake the entire game with new voices but you play as the bad guys and there's little room for player choice, let alone alt-history frickery
At least there's a ton of variety in locations.
Then there's ... Prelude which is short and has a shitty ending that doesn't fit with how good of a hunter you were before that.
Then there's CQM.
>500 replies
Smell ya later slicks
I played this game when I was a shut in and I am not joking when I say I fell in love with Heather.