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  1. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >Can't be bothered making new game, this will do

  2. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >Contemprary portraits of Suleiman the Magnificent celarly show him as the white guy with brown/red facial hair.
    >lmao just make him black
    Fricking why? I'm not even turk and it makes me mad.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      KARA BOĞA

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      turks in general are just muslim greeks lmao

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >implying
        they were serbians and albanians anon

        >Contemprary portraits of Suleiman the Magnificent celarly show him as the white guy with brown/red facial hair.
        >lmao just make him black
        Fricking why? I'm not even turk and it makes me mad.

        whitey fears the KARA BOGA

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          KARA BOĞA

          Really funny how KB means 'Gods punishment' in my language

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >implying
        they were serbians and albanians anon
        [...]
        whitey fears the KARA BOGA

        based

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Those portraits were made by Europeans to whitewash him.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        moron, every ottoman sultan from like 1300 onward had European Balkan harem wives or Byzantine princesses. They were basically 100% white by 1450

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      why is suleiman a fricking pajeet lmao
      fricking westoids

      Islam is a black religion, duh.
      Funnily enough even AssCreed depicted him as white.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      It's a pattern at this point and they're definitely doing it on purpose because they literally had to lighten Tamar because their original model was so dark they were inundated with complaints from Georgians themselves.
      Whether it's total ignorance that people outside of Northwestern Europe can be light-skinned or more likely, they're just racist, it's insulting and pathetic.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >Whether it's total ignorance that people outside of Northwestern Europe can be light-skinned
        Sometimes even people from Northwestern Europe are depicted as black.
        That one Tom Clancy game had the European faction headed by one.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Yeah but in that case he was meant to be african, he's name is literally "Amadou de Bankole" and the wiki claims he was born in ivory coast

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Oh in that case he must have come from a rich family with a based slaver heritage.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Check the PM of the United Kingdom when you have time. Times have changed bucko.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        same with originally making Seondeok a fat mexican instead of Korean, their art team spends too much time on tumblr

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          I got used the slim version of her and i think pic related is a bit more realistic since asian dont have such defined faces in my experience but holy frick hahahahhahahhahahaahha

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            I've always thought this.
            They went from what I've observed as a normal Korean look to a kpop model.
            I swear the entire Korean people have body dysmorphia.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              they have the highest amount of plastic surgeries in the world, fricking every girl gets their jaw shawed and shit when they turn 18 or so. i'd say you're not wrong about the dysmorphia. have you seen any pictures of koreans from like the early 1900s?

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                I remember reading an article once that said it’s actually very common for Korean parents to buy their children plastic surgery as a gift for graduation

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Yea it's fricked up

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >why
      diversity = make everything black.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      It's even worse than that. Suleiman was already in VI with another outfit, and the new one is so much darker that they look like different people.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Holy shit the re-vitiligo is real.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          their reaction to even Turks complaining about him being brown was to make him darker
          whack

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Just like uncle Ruckus. Just like Michael Jackson had but reversed

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          What the frick is wrong with Firaxis

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            This is what your brain looks like on woke historical revisionism. Just be thankful it's not as bad as Humankind.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            They are American.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >WTF is wrong with Sid ~~*Meier*~~?
            ftfy

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              meier is neither israeli, or involved in developing the games

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            BlackRock ESG

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >based Firaxis makes chuds seethe by removing historical whitewashing
          Kino.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Accurate

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            wtf i love Russia now

  3. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >DLC required for DLC

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      man that's so stingy and moronic, if you actually bought this pass you should just get these civs with these leaders if you don't have the previous DLC

      https://i.imgur.com/O5FPr7Z.jpg

      What the hell were they thinking?

      find it funny Nader Shah is a leader of Persia, as if they didn't originally intend the civ to just be the Achaemenid Empire (hence the limited civilopedia entry)
      Suleiman without Ibrahim and Janissaries seems like ass

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        I do think it's overdue for them to expand Persia to beyond the Achaemenids. They were big and important for sure, and a good foil to ancient Greece in the roster, but there's more to Persian civilization than just that period.

  4. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    There's not a single new leader I enjoy playing. It's not that they're all bad but they're all mechanically extremely boring and in some cases actually remove flavor that existed from a civ like Kongo not being able to found religions and having to play around that to get his other bonuses related to relics, being replaced with a generic yields percentage bonus. Half of them have zero synergy with the rest of the civ kit either. It feels like they had a bunch of art assets hanging around but maybe 2 devs so they just slapped stuff together and called it a day.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Pretty much they just picked random pre existing abilities and shoved it in there.
      What even is the point of playing mbanza anymore, I though the whole idea of having the same civ different leaders was to have a complete different playstyles like gorgo/pericles and not completely overshadow one over the other.
      Hell even french eleanor and catherine magnificence have the same gear for a culture victory but their playstyles are so different from each other

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      God damn I was reading tokugawa's ability and got interested seeing the +4 amenities bonus. Then I realized the morons converted that into worthless loyalty, why do they do this? I could have played super tall with that! The other 2 reskins aren't even worth mentioning, absolutely bland. Holy frick if you're gonna throw out an end of game dlc at least add some curveballs and spice. This is pathetic, made worse since I've seen random people suggest creative, thematic ideas for all of them so far which would have been at least fun if not balanced.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >Holy frick if you're gonna throw out an end of game dlc at least add some curveballs and spice
        That’s what the Frontier Pass felt like, the game finished its life with a really high note with that but they had to just add more for some reason

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Yeah exactly. Not all of them were over the top, but babylon, gaul, byzantium, maya and gran columbia had some interesting concepts unique to them. These new reskins are the most bland dreck imaginable.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          at this point it must be because their art team wasn't as busy or something, because the implementation looks pretty low effort in terms of balance and programming (or even achievements lol)

  5. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    why is suleiman a fricking pajeet lmao
    fricking westoids

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Because 99% of turdroaches are browncels who worship whites.

  6. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    I hate Tokugawa wank.

  7. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    They really wanna cater to the unemployed roach demographic that spends all their welfare money on video games and simping for ethots.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >cater to the unemployed roach demographic
      But with a Suleihomie? lmao

  8. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Just play with mods. I'm really enjoying the modded versions of the first leader pack, whom I thought were really weak. Ana Nzinga is a diplomacy machine.
    I'm really looking forward to modded versions of Caesar and Tokugawa.

  9. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    People keep suggesting that the alternate Suleiman is weak, but I don't see it. Yes, Ibrahim is very powerful for domination, but the Ottomans already excel at siege warfare without him and an unconditional +4 against other civilizations in the ancient era is also very strong. You can safely secure a classical golden age and then use the bonus yields to secure further ones, and if you ever fall out of a golden age it'll be easy to just genocide someone during that era to get another.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Firstly, it's important to understand that the original design of the ottomans was very, very tight. Everything about them is geard towards comquest. Janissaries are one of the best UUs in the game, being the most cost effective unique unit as well as being well above tempo for a renaissance unit, Ibrahim's combat strength boost was a massive advantage that makes taking and keeping cities easier, Ibrahim combined with Turkish Bombard allowed you to just start pumping out armies at intense speeds, the Bazaar is a similarly cheap improvement that doubled amenity production and netted extra strategic resources which again helps make the ottoman army way cheaper
      At heart the ottoman civ is about cost effectiveness over everything, the civ is completely geared towards being a production monster, with so much production cutting and the cheapest UU and UI in the game, it's honestly one of the most beautifully focused designs in the game. Now tell me, what does Suleiman Muhteşem actually add to this? Ibrahim's 25% production reduction is gone, as are the Janissaries, so your armies aren't being pumped out as fast and will be nowhere near as strong. You still have the Bazaar, but you don't really have the production backbone to warrent it. The extra combat strength is nice, but again, the tempo of the Janissaries and the Ibrahim bonus aren't there, and you're going to need more than +4 combat strength to be a real early game bully. And the bonus for the golden age is just kind of distracting from what the Ottomans do best: conquering. They really don't care about simming that hard
      It just feels like a good leader ability thrown at a civ that has no want or need of it, it'd be good for something like Greece, but it doesn't help the ottoman gameplan at all

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Okay, that makes sense. I do like synergy more than just being good.

  10. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    I really hope that 7 doesn't have a godawful artstyle.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Why wouldn’t it? The only people who complained about it pirated the game anyway

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      It's really weird and ugly, but then, a lot of vidya for this past decade went for this wet plasticine cartoony look for some reason.

  11. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >chooses which civilization I want to play as
    >that ceases to matter one bit on turn 1 as every single civ are just reskinned versions of the exact same fricking thing with a 0.5% bonus to either science, culture or gold
    How the frick do people play this shit

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Bro 6 has the most civ deviation of any civ game
      How is babylon a minor bonus lmao

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      1/10

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      That's a good way to describe every civ game before 6

  12. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    So whats the verdict between hojo and tokugawa?
    I personally think hojo is still stronger but tokugawa is more fun to play since you can do funny things with trade routes like university of sankore or have a 1000 production capital.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Hojo has better early game
      The most important bits are his easier access to early religion and his early culture tempo from the half off theater
      Hojo gets his ball rolling far faster than Tokugawa, which will probably make him the favorite in multiplayer
      With that said I think that despite the early game difference, Tokugawa scales far harder. Once he can set up a couple of trade routes, I'm not sure anyone short of Bull Moose or Kupe can compete with him in sheer yields. The malus to tourism is kind of balanced out by the airport stuff, so going for a cultural victory isn't that hard, and he's arguably one of the best science civs in the game
      Personally, I still don't think japan is a 'best in game' contender, they have to compete with bullshit like babylon unlocking renaissance tech in the ancient era, Russia's gargantuan faith production, or Gaul's ungodly bullshit, but I think Tokugawa is on the tier of Pericles in just almost being at that level, and I think he edges out Hojo

  13. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    When did Cheech rule Japan? Is their weed any good?

  14. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    While new leaders are nice and all, I feel like I'd rather see some of the original civs get a face lift like Spain did
    Some of them can be fixed by just leader abilities alone, Egypt for example is solid enough but dragged down by cleo handing out food like a prostitute. Something like Ramses giving production for floodplains can really give the civ a nice kick
    But some civs need a reimagining, like Sumeria. They're basically only playable in multiplayer, and that's for war cart spam. Otherwise they just kind of don't do anything. India is also another example, just a really shitty civ with a poorly thought out gameplan that doesn't do anything

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      India is the big one for me, the stepwell is so shit

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Sumeria is definitely the worst, and India's a close second. It's no coincidence that that two worst civilizations are the one who depend on others to some extent; forming alliances, trusting the AI to spread its religion.

      I like Expanded's approach to both. It completely retools Sumeria to be very strong in the early game with +1 starting population and additional food, science, and faith from farms depending on where they're placed, but these bonuses don't really scale. It trades India's +2 missionary charges for an effect akin to voidsingers' bonus to other yields from faith in cities with a worship building. You just build as much religious infrastructure as possible and it makes up the difference in science and culture. Gandhi also loses a military slot for an economic one, which is weak early. Makes much more sense and is more fun to play.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >Something like Ramses giving production for floodplains can really give the civ a nice kick
      Please Please PLEEEEASE let Ramses be good! Just something more direct for Egypt to play for actively instead of passively.

      On paper Cleo's abilities can really shine in Multiplayer team games but at the same time Egypt is a trash tier civ in Multiplayer. In Single player it is almost useless because the AI is too dumb to use it.

      The base Egypt ability is very very basic but nothing wrong being basic it is a good ability which carries Egypt big time. The Chariot archer is great strong unit but it is way waaaay too expensive for its era even after the cost reduction patches.

      The Sphinx is also a basic improvement nothing super fancy but easy to understand and use and it is the only improvement that adds +2 appeal which allows for some easy appeal based build.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Cleo isn't bad in MP. She is a potent bankroller in 3v3 team games to supply two teammates with gold. She can build commercial hubs efficiently especially with BBG mod. Then if she gets a Golden Age with free Inquiry she can keep up with science as well. She is a support civ but she does that well.

        She can also get alliance bonuses up faster than anyone even tough MP games rarely last long enough for level 2 o level 3 alliances to matter.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >even tough MP games rarely last long enough for level 2 o level 3 alliances to matter.
          My only MP game (on CPL) was a hours-long drag where my team was slowly burnt down as we had been hoping to maybe cheese a CV before the enemy did a DV. Now I'm afraid to commit to one because I need to make sure I have 4+ hours free ahead of me.

  15. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >not enough hype for Civ 7
    >QUICK! ACT LIKE WE CARE ABOUT 6 AGAIN!

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Bro they haven't even released a trailer for civ 7, or even confirmed the game exists

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      schizo

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      To be honest I actually am not looking forward to Civ7. If we learned anything from the launch of Civ6 is that the base game was bare bones it took until Gathering Storm to make it really fun. That was two major expansions, several smaller ones and countless bug fixes, balance patches and constant reworks to outdated game mechanics.

      If anything I expect Civ7 to fare quite the same way, on release it will likely be a friggin' skeleton of a game a people will be disappointed that it is different from previous civ games. After all the work they put into Civ6 over so many years I feel the devs also think this and do not want to go through the same climbing of a ladder of releasing a new civ game, have everyone call it shit and the compare a freshly released Civ7 to a matured Civ6 that already has SIX FRICKING YEARS of post launch support. Comparing the two just isn't fair. Only to then Firaxis suites look at their precious ratings and see that people hate Civ7 and then question if releasing civ7 was even a good idea at all and possibly even canning further support for Civ7.

      Civ7 needs to be an absolute beast on release and I doubt that is going to happen.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        This is the new way of 4Xs and grand strategy games. Just look at CK3 - bare-bones in content compared to mature CK2, and 2 years after release it still has miles to go to catch up.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        every civ since 3 has been barebones as frick until it got 2 expacks, nothing has or will change.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Don't worry Civ7 will be a live service game. The ultimate Sid Meier's Civ to end all Civs. You'll never know another one ever again and it'll be a 120GB download. Also DLCs will be subscriptions and the base game will be free. Also it'll be abandoned 8 years in and Civ8 will be announced.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        if anything 6 got praised for not literally axing everything from G&K/BNW, vanilla 5 was the poster child for "bro where are all the features gone"

  16. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Pay for my fairytale goys

  17. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >Japan has always been my favorite civilization because it's just about comfy city planning
    >My favorite playstyle is building a tall empire sustained by strong domestic trade routes, preferably coastal
    >mfw Tokugowa
    It's perfect

  18. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    turkroaches all over the internet still seething over the fact that 99% of them are browncels and get represented as such. Well done Firaxis

  19. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    KARA BOGA

  20. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    There are mods for Civ 4 that have better looking leaders than that shit lmao

  21. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >Great commanders
    >It's the guy who took credit for the work of his superiors after they died
    At least Civ 5 had Oda.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      it was his turn...

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Monkey boy will never be a civ leader

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Oda was shoddily showcased in 5 but I'm glad they went for some variety.
      The same way I find Yongle a very based pick (upcoming) for 6

  22. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Reminder that Nobunaga and Meiji are the only good choices for Japan leader. Tokugawa was a backstabber who damned the country to isolationism, and Hideyoshi led Japan to disaster in Korea.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      I know a guy

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Puppet of Tojo.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      but Hideyoshi would be a fun clutzy warmonger

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Why not someone like Michinaga or Yoritomo?

  23. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Apparently Nader Shah is bugged and none of his abilities work like they say they do
    The bonus military strength not only applies to full health units, it also applies to cities and districs. He also has a permanent bonus against cities regardless of their health
    His bonus to domestic trade routes actually applies to all his cities and not just cities he hasn't founded
    This actually makes him a pretty decent early game civ. Rush an early pantheon, leverage the mulitary bonus for early conquest, snow ball from there. He's not as good as Philip is, or nearly as versatile, but he's a pretty decent leader for immortal rushes instead of being shit

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      that really speaks to how shit his unbugged bonus is

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      lmao
      no one found this out until now because no one wanted to play him with how boring his bonuses are on paper

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        maybe some dev snuck it in after realizing he sucked and didn't bother to tell anybody else

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      To put into perspective how much better Spain is than Nader, consider the numbers
      >Persia gets an extra +2 gold +1 culture to domestic trade routes
      >Nader Shah adds 3 extra gold and 3 faith(it says 2 faith in the description but it's bugged), meaning his trade routes have a base yield of +5 gold +1 culture +3 faith but this only applies to domestic trade
      Now compare this to Treasure fleet
      >Spain's trade routes, no matter if they're foreign or domestic, generates +3 gold, +2 faith, and +1 production. Since 1 production is equal to around four gold then Treasure fleet's base yields are roughly +7 gold +2 faith with no limitation, much better than Nader Shah
      >Now account for scaling, Spain's trade yields triple when trans continental. Meaning Spain can realistically get +9 gold +6 faith and +3 production on ALL their trade routes, which is many times better than the base yields of Nader Shah's trade routes that again, only apply to domestic trade, and don't scale at all
      >this means spain not only has better early game opportunities but also better mid game scaling
      >the Conquistador and the Mission are also much better than Persia's UU and UB and open spain up to multiple victory paths, unlike Nader who basically has to play for domination
      Not even going to get into how much better Tokugawa is because that feels mean, even with the bugs the only real reason to play him is the +5 strength against cities

  24. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    When are they adding hitler though

  25. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >three fricking China leaders are the next batch
    What a waste. But who knows, maybe they’ll be stacked enough to make them as fun as base Qin.

  26. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Why the frick is Suleiman black, the guy was white with red hair what the actual frick?

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >NOOOO DONT YOU KNOW A MUSLIM ARAB NAMED SULEIMAN FROM A DESERT SHITHOLE WAS ACKSHUALLY WHITE AND REDPILLED

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        who on earth said he was redpilled, but he was from an ethnically greek family, just look at any painting or description from his lifetime you brainlet.

        Also do you actually think that northern turkey is a desert or are you just pretending to be moronic?

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >NOOOO JUST LOOK AT THE PAINTINGS!!!!

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Accidentally based LMAO

            Also nice cope using a painting of Jesus from the 20th century to "disprove" an argument based on literal portraits made in Suleiman's lifetime.

  27. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    How bad are turks seething that they made Suleiman so dark? And why did they make him so dark, I wonder, since we have depictions of him.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Pretty much every discussion online on this topic they show up in hordes to cry about it.
      It's funny because pretty much every single t*rk is a brownoid but they seem to have an obsession with whiteness and trying to pass as white.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >It's funny because pretty much every single t*rk is a brownoid
        I mean, not all of them. Some of them are surprisingly fairly pale looking, I seen their tv shows.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        They kidnapped and raped a LOT of europeans through out their history, there are some fairly light skinned genes in that pool sometimes.

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