Hello anon.
I want to play a game with you. For years you have wasted your life living off your parents hard earned mone while you shitposted on the internet free of any consequences.
That's a separate crime entirely, though. Their deaths in the movies were a result of their own actions that happened to transpire in a dangerous environment. You wouldn't charge zoo keepers with murder if someone jumped the fence into the alligator pit and get eaten, would you? Likewise, Jigsaw and Hoffman would not be held accountable for homicide. Amanda on the other hand could be charged with negligence manslaughter since the environment she put them in didn't have an actual safe escape. On that front, it's akin to going to the zoo where all of the animals are roaming freely and there's an electric fence keeping you from leaving
>officer, you can't say I killed the guy, it was the bullet >all I did was pull a trigger after he said he wouldn't give me his wallet, it was his fault for not getting out of the way
>using an illogical example
If I take my girlfriend, who is notoriously clumsy, to Paris and she trips over the railing while we're on the Eiffel tower then I wouldn't be to blame. Same applies to the self-harming office worker that tripped into the barb wire den. Jigsaw didn't kill him, he did that as a result of his own clumsiness
You're moronic. So if I kidnap you and then place you in a sealed room that's slowly filling with water....if you drown, based on your moron logic, I'm not responsible for your death? I genuinely hope you aren't this stupid and you're just merely baiting.
7 months ago
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Not if the room has a button that opens the drain for the water to not fill up to the point of drowning and you refuse to push it of your own volition. Drowning then is entirely your fault.
7 months ago
Anonymous
>sealed room that's slowly filling with water
Provided that there was still some way of escape, such as me being able to scratched away a portion of the limestone wall at the expense of permanently damaging my fingers to survive then no you wouldn't be
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7 months ago
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>sealed room that's slowly filling with water
Provided that there was still some way of escape, such as me being able to scratched away a portion of the limestone wall at the expense of permanently damaging my fingers to survive then no you wouldn't be
How did they get into that environment?
Again, kidnapping people and putting them in a situation that you've engineered so that it has the likelihood to kill them does give you a murder charge if that person dies. >but they could have chosen to do the thing
It doesn't matter. If you kidnap someone and they refuse to eat any food you give them and subsequently starve to death that's still murder.
The kidnapping charge is something different entirely. In regards to the death itself, EMTs don't get charged for their patient being taken against their consent and dying in an ambulance do they? Similarly, kidnapping someone and leaving them at a warehouse wouldn't constitute murder if that person decides for some reason to slit their wrists with power tools as they were free to leave at any time during waking up. In all the jigsaw movies they could leave with ease at any point in time barring Amanda's mishaps. >food example
Amerimutts...
>The kidnapping charge is something different entirely. In regards to the death itself, EMTs don't get charged for their patient being taken against their consent and dying in an ambulance do they?
No, because they didn't cause the event that led to the person dying (unless they did in which case it's at least malpractice). >Similarly, kidnapping someone and leaving them at a warehouse wouldn't constitute murder if that person decides for some reason to slit their wrists with power tools as they were free to leave at any time during waking up.
Still kidnapping (illegal) and if someone you kidnap dies I'm pretty sure the kidnapper is still held responsible. >In all the jigsaw movies they could leave with ease at any point in time barring Amanda's mishaps.
They clearly couldn't since most of the traps involve the person kidnapped being subject to some injurious process to escape. That's still intent to harm, and (given that all the traps WILL kill the person if they don't carry out the task) intent to kill.
Intent makes a huge difference in crimes, it's a reason why there's different degrees of murder and manslaughter.
7 months ago
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>No, because they didn't cause the event that led to the person dying (unless they did in which case it's at least malpractice)
Then would would be the verdict if the person, upon waking of their kidnapping (taken without consent) commit suicide under their watch due to knowing they'd be incapable of paying the ambulance and hospital fees? That wouldn't fall under malpractice, yet is a consequence directly a result of the EMTs grabbing that individual against their will >Still kidnapping (illegal) and if someone you kidnap dies I'm pretty sure the kidnapper is still held responsible
Prior point still stands that there are exceptions and such said exceptions would be applicable in this situation. Jigsaw would absolutely be convicted of kidnapping, but the deaths are purely on the actions of those waking up for decisions far beyond what his reasonable control would be. In the second and third movie, the kidnapped jump straight to murdering each other on multiple occasions and that wouldn't fall under Jigsaw's crime record. There is a degree of responsibility for those under your care that have been kidnapped, I agree, but there is also a limit to the amount of responsibility that can be attributed when they behave like lemmings >They clearly couldn't since most of the traps involve the person kidnapped being subject to some injurious process to escape
The traps were made already as Jigsaw pointed out to be artistic interpretations of his mind in the fifth movie. How those individuals ended up in them exactly or how they activated is still left unexplained, but we certainly do know that they can be solved with the exception of Amanda's. You don't go to an art gallery and then complain to management about the death trap of various pointy and sharp abstract pieces around, do you? Same applies here
7 months ago
Anonymous
I don't care any more this is a stupid argument
There should be a version of Saw made where all the 'victims' are cute Asian women who volunteer to be put in the traps, and the traps all involve them being pumped up with various substances until they burst, except they're all too horny to explode to complete the tests and end up exploding. And then at the end it turns out that Jigsaw is also a cute Asian woman and all the victims corner her and pump her up until she's the size of a zeppelin and then explodes. And then they all come back and make out
7 months ago
Anonymous
Maybe some resolution can be achieved after all, I'm on board
7 months ago
Anonymous
LIONSGATE
HIRE THIS MAN
Based. I already have one scene outlined in my head: >Asian girl 1 wakes up, she's presented with two other Asian girls with hoses in their butts, making out >Jigsaw comes on and explains that both girls are being pumped up with different goo that will explode if mixed; if she doesn't decide which girl stops being pumped up (leaving the other to burst) they'll both explode >the girl immediately runs out to where the two swelling Asian girls are kissing, separating them and then placing herself between the two - making out with one, while the other eats her ass >the goo fills all 3 girls, meeting in the third girl and they all explode
I would charge the zoo keeper with murder if they put someone in the alligator pit and told them they needed to cut out their eye to get the key to escape
Saw 1 occurs in 2007, which was a point in time where castle doctrine laws were being toyed around with to such a wild degree that they were superseding 21 USC § 841(d)(3)'s authority over booby traps alongside their implementations including but not limited to public residences of business commerce. Taking that into account, it can be argued that it was a genuine case of self-defense from who Jigsaw assumed was a violent assailant who has refused to identify themselves
What about those traps that require at least one death to move on?. Who made the one with two guys, one of them had his eyes sewed while the other his mouth? Or the one where a couple of dudes decide that the b***h who was dating them both had to die? Isnt there one where you have to get a key from a dude's stomach? Also the one with the hooks was just plain stupid with the last one being in the jaw, that's literally impossible.
those were hoffman and amanda and they blatantly made them unwinnable
usually the ones jigsaw actually made had real win conditions
amanda having to gut that guy to get the key to the bear trap was bullshit though
Only JiggyC has that defense. That junky b***h Amanda made rigged games that couldn't be won. The Hoffgod proceeded to solo an entire police department, while his weight rapidly fluctuated, finishing off every staff member that had managed to survive the previous 6 movies.
I'll give you that Kramer is morally and legally in the right, but those two desciples didn't follow the rules of the game. I mean hell, the one time a guy's anesthetic didn't wear off at the exact right time he gave the guy a free pass and gained a new desciple out of it. It just prooves how fair Kramer's games are.
>you have bing bing wahoo'd your whole life with no care for the people and animals around you, on your leg is a device that gives you coins automatically but if you get 1-up it will explode, will you manage to save the princess in this course or will you get stuck in a eternal explosion and 1-uping loop, the choice is yours
>having a shotgun in your house is murder because someone might descide to shoot himself.
Again, it's not impossible to come up with a law that could convict Jigsaw, but people aren't thinking about how wide reaching consequences such a law would have.
No, the unconscious person would appreciate you saving their life. Jigsaw has no such motive.
7 months ago
Anonymous
>t-thanks for saving me... now time to kill myself out of financial destitution
Honestly don't get why he lost.
All he had to do was move forward and pull the lever.
Main thing was he attempting to reach forward all at once. The optimal method would be starting with his shoulders and slowly peeling his way down his back before being able to reach it
7 months ago
Anonymous
Just tell Jigsaw to put the doctors in a trap.
7 months ago
Anonymous
I like the idea of the Saw series taking an eldritch turn where somehow more and more tapes and traps keep being made despite Jigsaw having been dead for decades, until the entire world is just a series of Kafkaesque traps, only the world starts getting used to it so people start treating being stapled to a lawnmower or having their nipples clamped to a runaway train as everyday occurrences >"Yeah, no, sorry Becky, I can't go out later, I've been stuck in a cage surrounded by bear traps because I made a shitty tweet and I have to decide whether to extract my gallbladder or be chopped into pieces. Yeah, Tuesday might work."
7 months ago
Anonymous
>Kafkaesque traps
Reminder that Kafka invented the first saw trap
7 months ago
Anonymous
If a patient decides he didn't want treatment anyway, does the ambulance crew retroactively become kidnappers?
If people can't appreciate what jigsaw is doing for them (many do and even emulate him), that's on them.
7 months ago
Anonymous
You are mentally moronic. I would say remove yourself from the gene pool but you'll never reproduce. Hopefully you find yourself in a life threatening trap that horrifically mutilates or kills you, like you want.
7 months ago
Anonymous
The longer this thread goes on, the posts become more and more "i'm only pretending to be moronic".
>not impossible
Uh, kidnapping, torture, assault, not to mention any number of degrees of murder
Are you one of those brainlets that actually thinks coercion under the threat of death or torture is not only not a crime but is actually a not insane fricking response?
man traps are illegal
anything designed to capture or injure people is illegal
its in black and white, there is no room for interpretation, theres no legal loop hole or anything.
I'm a trained lawyer and honestly we frequently discuss the Saw films as a fun exercise. I don't know anyone that has been able to successfully convict Jigsaw. His legal logic is too tight
For the imbeciles reading this: he would be charged with being an accomplice to kidnapping and conspiring to commit kidnapping (just on the topic of kidnapping-related charges).
>cops kill him >a bunch of edgy zoomer homosexuals start doing copy cat killings because of some tiktok or some shit
Just like how a bunch of zoomer incel fricks are inspired to kill themselves or commit school shootings. In fact, I'm surprised we haven't heard of anyone trying to recreate some SAW shit. Although I imagine it's probably way too east to end up accidentally killing yourself trying to test one of those moronic ass traps.
>Willian! Before you is the underpaid janitor that works for your company! He has a nicotine addiction, most likely to cope with the fact that he can't even afford to retire at his age! I trapped you two in a trap that he literally can't win just to teach you a lesson! Now end his life and go to the next room for the next trap where you will decide the fate of other two underpaid workers with jobs that barely have anything to do with the curruption in your company
>Hello John Kramer >We have audited your activities over the past 20 years >Your involvement with a group responsible for kidnapping and eventually leading to the murder of civilians and officials has been uncovered >Several members of this group have been arrested >At least three members has confessed to receiving your help in the construction of the traps that have led to the death of civilians and officials. They also claimed that you are the mastermind behind them and their organization >The penalty for these actions is death >Goodbye "Jigsaw" >Your execution is scheduled to happen immediately >Your group of murderers and kidnappers has been crushed. The balance of justice is restored. >Glory to Arstotzka
He's locking them into traps and rooms. That is absolutely confinement. Show me any Saw movie where the person can just get up and leave without escaping the trap.
7 months ago
Anonymous
He isn't locking them in, there are ways to leave.
7 months ago
Anonymous
Not without escaping the traps.
7 months ago
Anonymous
>cut of your leg if you want to live >uh, don't worry about bleeding out, sure my henchman is at your house miles away and I'm passed out on the floor but I'm sure it can be stopped trust me bro this is a important life lesson and if you die it's your own fault
The decisions are up to them.
7 months ago
Anonymous
It's still a crime to force someone to hurt themselves or others in order to escape from being kidnapped.
7 months ago
Anonymous
The charges, officer?
7 months ago
Anonymous
I wish i was trapped inside a room with her while she had to fart on my face
7 months ago
Anonymous
>hello anon >I wanna play a game >you've spent your entire life on an anonomyous mongolian basket weaving forum posting about how sexy braps are >well now is your chance >in this room is an asian girl who has been eating only kimchi for the last 72 hours >in 60 seconds the room will be filled with a cyanide gas >either breathe her farts or die >the decision is yours
7 months ago
Anonymous
How it actually goes >hello anon >I wanna play a game >you've spent your entire life on an anonomyous mongolian basket weaving forum posting about how sexy braps are >well now is your chance >in this room is an asian girl who has been eating only kimchi for the last 72 hours >in 60 seconds the- wait stop >I haven't explained the trap yet how did you kn >Jesus stop no STOP
7 months ago
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7 months ago
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>The charges, officer?
Being a cute sexy Asian lady built to be absolutely pumped to her limits with whipped cream until she swells up and fricking explodes like a creamy bomb. (Non-lethally)
7 months ago
Anonymous
>a gorillian SAW films >no inflation based trap
Robbed.
7 months ago
Anonymous
Nah, I'm glad, they'd just make it gross and probably do it to a guy rather than doing it justice and have it be like a ten minute scene of a sexy lady moaning and gasping in pleasure as she's relentlessly pumped up to exploding.
7 months ago
Anonymous
At least there are a few artists out there drawing SAW-ish scenarios. I suspect you don't enjoy them though as they're usually perma-pop.
7 months ago
Anonymous
Probably not, you're right - I'm ambivalent on perma pop since that can usually be handwaved away, but gruesome scenarios/where the girl doesn't enjoy it isn't appealing.
I more was using the framework of the Saw film as a vehicle for sexy Asian women erotically exploding.
7 months ago
Anonymous
>girl in your pic gets injected with a drug that causes rapid lactation >if she is not milked, her breasts will explode >There is a breast pump present, but if she uses it her milk will be pumped into another girl until she bursts. >???? >profit
7 months ago
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>she figures out the best solution: starts using the breast pump, but while making out with the girl she's filling with her milk, so both of them fill up >both girls burst
7 months ago
Anonymous
The decision to be dragged into dirty bathrooms and locked into death traps were not up to them.
Stop being moronic.
7 months ago
Anonymous
Their actions in life directly led to them being placed in a trap, the decisions are always up to them. Jigsaw never murdered or kidnapped anyone.
If you kidnap someone and then the instant they wake up the door is open and they can just walk out without effort and they do, that is still kidnapping and illegal.
I feel like this would have more credit if more people survived his traps aside from like a handful of people. Also >Uh Amanda you gotta kill a guy to not die yourself.
WHAT THE FRICK WAS THE ? DUDES GAME? WAKE UP IN TIME TO NOT FRICKING DIE?
In Saw V, during the flashback with Hoffman and Jigsaw talking, Jigsaw mentions having a 100% rehabilitation rate. That's some pretty good credit for those that do manage to not commit suicide of their own will
>Kidnapping using drugs, a lot of drugs >Building hazardous artifacts >Put people in dangerous and lethal situations >Brainwash some frickers >Make a criminal organization (or cult) around this, (you) as the leader
I hate this fricking meme
I hope Tobin Bell lives till he's like 100 or something so we can keep getting more Saw films for like another decade or two.
I don't care what anyone says these movies are a great time and Saw X was unironically great.
for me, it's the opening of Saw VII where the two bros realise that their girlfriend is a cheating prostitute so they chop her in half while she begs them to kill each other
Jigsaw is the master of convolute plotting, twisting and turning. He faked his death with plastic surgery and other hijinx. Saw XI will reveal he's alive and well in the future.
there are like thousands of video game characters who would basically be far too strong to even be effect by his traps, many who could just straight up smash down the walls
or do you mean without using brute force, magic, or some other shit like that.
>cut of your leg if you want to live >uh, don't worry about bleeding out, sure my henchman is at your house miles away and I'm passed out on the floor but I'm sure it can be stopped trust me bro this is a important life lesson and if you die it's your own fault
Pretty much all "super powers" characters. Prototype, Deshonored, Devil May Cry, God Hand etc etc.
Any maxed char from BG3 lol, 20 strength char can rip out pretty much all traps and 20 dex can wiggle out of them
What's a Saw trap you think you could survive?
I honestly think the eye trap looks pretty easy.
Yeah sure a broken hand sunks but just get it over with and it will heal and you didn't get your eyes sucked out.
this whole trap is fricking silly >you're a racist so I'm going to rip your friend's body apart, make you rip your entire back off, crush your grilfriend's head and run over your other friend
couldn't just get him arrested for hate speech?
Hello Ganker I want to play a video game.
What games do you fellow kids recommend?
Also you've guys been appreciating life right? I think it's pretty cap to appreciate life.
>you never appreciated your life something something you have a metal rod in you anus and you're inside a refrigerator machine 60 seconds make your choice
What do you do?
Why does nobody ever try to piss or shit in these traps?
Fricking break them they can't be that sturdy.
A bunch of traps require you to fill jars up with blood or body parts right? well why not just piss and shit in them? take off your cloths and stuff them in.
You got 50 lbs of shit ready to dump at an instant?
my constipated shits are legendary. I could probably fill a jar or two if I got caught on the right day, and having to shove it into the jar would probably impress him enough to give me a pass
>i'm bad fuk wanna play a game >get in this coffin and you don't die >he chooses to not get in the coffin and instead literally puts someone else in the coffin instead
how the frick was this guy smart enough to survive the water cube trap
Battler is already in a Saw trap, it's just that the trap is called Umineko and the trap is on the players who have to stop reading or get bored to death
>Hello Tyrone, would you like to play a game? >For years you have been posting bbc threads on a taiwanese carpet weaving bulletin board in order to annoy the resident posters. >Behind you is the Buck Breaker 9000, and it is poised to penetrate your anus at rate of 100 thrusts per minute. >Live or die, make your choice.
>Hello Jeff >Your son died recently and ever since you've been a real bummer to be around! >Go through this series of traumatizing traps that will help you lighten up.
He has, people even blame him for shit he didn't do. >fnaf expect me to believe W. Afton is the magenta man, purple guy and orange/yellow man and that SL is somehow his fault despite being springtrapped for 30 years
He has, people even blame him for shit he didn't do. >fnaf expect me to believe W. Afton is the magenta man, purple guy and orange/yellow man and that SL is somehow his fault despite being springtrapped for 30 years
What is this zoomer dweeb shit? Go play in Wrong board
Yeah it's fricked up
And stuff like the kid getting stuck in the tube, the fan blades in the fizzy lifting drink chamber, stuff like that. I don't think the bit with Violet gave me my fetish, I was almost certainly broken even by then, but it certainly freaked me out
putting someone in a life-threatening situation is illegal and any elaborate traps can be argued for negligent manslaughter for unattended dangerous equipment resulting in someone's death
>"hello Jeb, I'd like to play a game" >"for years, you've - wait what's happening" >the intricate torture device Jeb is bolted into starts to shake and rattle >"stop, STOP IT W- H- AT'-" >reality freezes for several seconds >a loud explosion sound plays several times in a row >when the dust clears the entire jigsaw death house has been obliterated
Me
Hello anon.
I want to play a game with you. For years you have wasted your life living off your parents hard earned mone while you shitposted on the internet free of any consequences.
He never killed anyone. Hoffman didn't either, though Amanda could be argued for negligence manslaughter
Pretty sure most countries worth anything class someone who you've kidnapped dying as murder.
unless the government kidnaps them, then it's okay.
That's a separate crime entirely, though. Their deaths in the movies were a result of their own actions that happened to transpire in a dangerous environment. You wouldn't charge zoo keepers with murder if someone jumped the fence into the alligator pit and get eaten, would you? Likewise, Jigsaw and Hoffman would not be held accountable for homicide. Amanda on the other hand could be charged with negligence manslaughter since the environment she put them in didn't have an actual safe escape. On that front, it's akin to going to the zoo where all of the animals are roaming freely and there's an electric fence keeping you from leaving
>officer, you can't say I killed the guy, it was the bullet
>all I did was pull a trigger after he said he wouldn't give me his wallet, it was his fault for not getting out of the way
>using an illogical example
If I take my girlfriend, who is notoriously clumsy, to Paris and she trips over the railing while we're on the Eiffel tower then I wouldn't be to blame. Same applies to the self-harming office worker that tripped into the barb wire den. Jigsaw didn't kill him, he did that as a result of his own clumsiness
You're right, Jiggy
You're moronic. So if I kidnap you and then place you in a sealed room that's slowly filling with water....if you drown, based on your moron logic, I'm not responsible for your death? I genuinely hope you aren't this stupid and you're just merely baiting.
Not if the room has a button that opens the drain for the water to not fill up to the point of drowning and you refuse to push it of your own volition. Drowning then is entirely your fault.
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>sealed room that's slowly filling with water
Provided that there was still some way of escape, such as me being able to scratched away a portion of the limestone wall at the expense of permanently damaging my fingers to survive then no you wouldn't be
How did they get into that environment?
Again, kidnapping people and putting them in a situation that you've engineered so that it has the likelihood to kill them does give you a murder charge if that person dies.
>but they could have chosen to do the thing
It doesn't matter. If you kidnap someone and they refuse to eat any food you give them and subsequently starve to death that's still murder.
The kidnapping charge is something different entirely. In regards to the death itself, EMTs don't get charged for their patient being taken against their consent and dying in an ambulance do they? Similarly, kidnapping someone and leaving them at a warehouse wouldn't constitute murder if that person decides for some reason to slit their wrists with power tools as they were free to leave at any time during waking up. In all the jigsaw movies they could leave with ease at any point in time barring Amanda's mishaps.
>food example
Amerimutts...
>The kidnapping charge is something different entirely. In regards to the death itself, EMTs don't get charged for their patient being taken against their consent and dying in an ambulance do they?
No, because they didn't cause the event that led to the person dying (unless they did in which case it's at least malpractice).
>Similarly, kidnapping someone and leaving them at a warehouse wouldn't constitute murder if that person decides for some reason to slit their wrists with power tools as they were free to leave at any time during waking up.
Still kidnapping (illegal) and if someone you kidnap dies I'm pretty sure the kidnapper is still held responsible.
>In all the jigsaw movies they could leave with ease at any point in time barring Amanda's mishaps.
They clearly couldn't since most of the traps involve the person kidnapped being subject to some injurious process to escape. That's still intent to harm, and (given that all the traps WILL kill the person if they don't carry out the task) intent to kill.
Intent makes a huge difference in crimes, it's a reason why there's different degrees of murder and manslaughter.
>No, because they didn't cause the event that led to the person dying (unless they did in which case it's at least malpractice)
Then would would be the verdict if the person, upon waking of their kidnapping (taken without consent) commit suicide under their watch due to knowing they'd be incapable of paying the ambulance and hospital fees? That wouldn't fall under malpractice, yet is a consequence directly a result of the EMTs grabbing that individual against their will
>Still kidnapping (illegal) and if someone you kidnap dies I'm pretty sure the kidnapper is still held responsible
Prior point still stands that there are exceptions and such said exceptions would be applicable in this situation. Jigsaw would absolutely be convicted of kidnapping, but the deaths are purely on the actions of those waking up for decisions far beyond what his reasonable control would be. In the second and third movie, the kidnapped jump straight to murdering each other on multiple occasions and that wouldn't fall under Jigsaw's crime record. There is a degree of responsibility for those under your care that have been kidnapped, I agree, but there is also a limit to the amount of responsibility that can be attributed when they behave like lemmings
>They clearly couldn't since most of the traps involve the person kidnapped being subject to some injurious process to escape
The traps were made already as Jigsaw pointed out to be artistic interpretations of his mind in the fifth movie. How those individuals ended up in them exactly or how they activated is still left unexplained, but we certainly do know that they can be solved with the exception of Amanda's. You don't go to an art gallery and then complain to management about the death trap of various pointy and sharp abstract pieces around, do you? Same applies here
I don't care any more this is a stupid argument
There should be a version of Saw made where all the 'victims' are cute Asian women who volunteer to be put in the traps, and the traps all involve them being pumped up with various substances until they burst, except they're all too horny to explode to complete the tests and end up exploding. And then at the end it turns out that Jigsaw is also a cute Asian woman and all the victims corner her and pump her up until she's the size of a zeppelin and then explodes. And then they all come back and make out
Maybe some resolution can be achieved after all, I'm on board
Based. I already have one scene outlined in my head:
>Asian girl 1 wakes up, she's presented with two other Asian girls with hoses in their butts, making out
>Jigsaw comes on and explains that both girls are being pumped up with different goo that will explode if mixed; if she doesn't decide which girl stops being pumped up (leaving the other to burst) they'll both explode
>the girl immediately runs out to where the two swelling Asian girls are kissing, separating them and then placing herself between the two - making out with one, while the other eats her ass
>the goo fills all 3 girls, meeting in the third girl and they all explode
LIONSGATE
HIRE THIS MAN
It's at best felony murder, and realistically, just regular murder.
I would charge the zoo keeper with murder if they put someone in the alligator pit and told them they needed to cut out their eye to get the key to escape
You fricking meme spouting Black person.
Hoffman literally met Jigsaw because he made a fake trap that couldn't bw escaped it was literally to just torture his sister's killer to death
>r*ddit spacing
Crackpot headcanon disregarded
Didn't he kill the chink cop with the shotgun trap in Saw 1?
Self-defense
Saw 1 occurs in 2007, which was a point in time where castle doctrine laws were being toyed around with to such a wild degree that they were superseding 21 USC § 841(d)(3)'s authority over booby traps alongside their implementations including but not limited to public residences of business commerce. Taking that into account, it can be argued that it was a genuine case of self-defense from who Jigsaw assumed was a violent assailant who has refused to identify themselves
What about those traps that require at least one death to move on?. Who made the one with two guys, one of them had his eyes sewed while the other his mouth? Or the one where a couple of dudes decide that the b***h who was dating them both had to die? Isnt there one where you have to get a key from a dude's stomach? Also the one with the hooks was just plain stupid with the last one being in the jaw, that's literally impossible.
those were hoffman and amanda and they blatantly made them unwinnable
usually the ones jigsaw actually made had real win conditions
amanda having to gut that guy to get the key to the bear trap was bullshit though
Through the eyes of Man, perhaps.
Through the eyes of God, however...
>Hoffman didn't either
Hoffman literally directly kills a bunch of people in Saw 7, what are you talking about?
Only JiggyC has that defense. That junky b***h Amanda made rigged games that couldn't be won. The Hoffgod proceeded to solo an entire police department, while his weight rapidly fluctuated, finishing off every staff member that had managed to survive the previous 6 movies.
I'll give you that Kramer is morally and legally in the right, but those two desciples didn't follow the rules of the game. I mean hell, the one time a guy's anesthetic didn't wear off at the exact right time he gave the guy a free pass and gained a new desciple out of it. It just prooves how fair Kramer's games are.
anyone but ztd sigma and carlos would never be able to mutilate themselves
It's wild finding out the saw movies take place across a few months and most are in like a week.
>hello Mario, I want to play a game
>you have bing bing wahoo'd your whole life with no care for the people and animals around you, on your leg is a device that gives you coins automatically but if you get 1-up it will explode, will you manage to save the princess in this course or will you get stuck in a eternal explosion and 1-uping loop, the choice is yours
How do you refute this without sounding mad?
What about the people from the insurance agency?
You murdered your wife by marrying her. She would have never miscarriaged and died if she had never met you
So that shotgun trap was magically built by it's self now was it?
>having a shotgun in your house is murder because someone might descide to shoot himself.
Again, it's not impossible to come up with a law that could convict Jigsaw, but people aren't thinking about how wide reaching consequences such a law would have.
It's illegal to rig q shotgun as a trap to go off and people have been convicted for gun traps shooting people
We don't really know it was a trap. All we know is that he had a shotgun and the cop pulled the trigger.
>taking an unconcious person to the hospital is kidnapping
No, the unconscious person would appreciate you saving their life. Jigsaw has no such motive.
>t-thanks for saving me... now time to kill myself out of financial destitution
Main thing was he attempting to reach forward all at once. The optimal method would be starting with his shoulders and slowly peeling his way down his back before being able to reach it
Just tell Jigsaw to put the doctors in a trap.
I like the idea of the Saw series taking an eldritch turn where somehow more and more tapes and traps keep being made despite Jigsaw having been dead for decades, until the entire world is just a series of Kafkaesque traps, only the world starts getting used to it so people start treating being stapled to a lawnmower or having their nipples clamped to a runaway train as everyday occurrences
>"Yeah, no, sorry Becky, I can't go out later, I've been stuck in a cage surrounded by bear traps because I made a shitty tweet and I have to decide whether to extract my gallbladder or be chopped into pieces. Yeah, Tuesday might work."
>Kafkaesque traps
Reminder that Kafka invented the first saw trap
If a patient decides he didn't want treatment anyway, does the ambulance crew retroactively become kidnappers?
If people can't appreciate what jigsaw is doing for them (many do and even emulate him), that's on them.
You are mentally moronic. I would say remove yourself from the gene pool but you'll never reproduce. Hopefully you find yourself in a life threatening trap that horrifically mutilates or kills you, like you want.
The longer this thread goes on, the posts become more and more "i'm only pretending to be moronic".
I'm checking out of this thread, Dunston.
>not impossible
Uh, kidnapping, torture, assault, not to mention any number of degrees of murder
Are you one of those brainlets that actually thinks coercion under the threat of death or torture is not only not a crime but is actually a not insane fricking response?
What coercion? also, spouting buzzwords does not work in court. Who exactly did he "murder"?
man traps are illegal
anything designed to capture or injure people is illegal
its in black and white, there is no room for interpretation, theres no legal loop hole or anything.
>It's up to them
>several traps are about making the victims decide if the other victims live or die
Yes the other victims are the ones killing one another.
So again Jigsaw never killed anyone.
Case closed.
HE CAN'T KEEP GETTING AWAY WITH IT
>defense documents are comically sized wooden jigsaw pieces
based AI
I'm a trained lawyer and honestly we frequently discuss the Saw films as a fun exercise. I don't know anyone that has been able to successfully convict Jigsaw. His legal logic is too tight
You can't just get him on kidnapping charges?
He didn't kidnap anyone, that was Amanda or Zepp or that guy in part 2
For the imbeciles reading this: he would be charged with being an accomplice to kidnapping and conspiring to commit kidnapping (just on the topic of kidnapping-related charges).
Just instruct the cops to blast him and claim he was resisting arrest, ezpz
>cops kill him
>a bunch of edgy zoomer homosexuals start doing copy cat killings because of some tiktok or some shit
Just like how a bunch of zoomer incel fricks are inspired to kill themselves or commit school shootings. In fact, I'm surprised we haven't heard of anyone trying to recreate some SAW shit. Although I imagine it's probably way too east to end up accidentally killing yourself trying to test one of those moronic ass traps.
>inspired to
>obvious repeated traumas and significant mental illness without proper care or support is not a factor
Okay Anita.
Just instruct them to blast him, if he dies it was his decision and you can't blame the cop for a suicide.
I didn't know if was possible for a lawyer to be this based.
>blatantly lie on Ganker
>moronic Black folk believe you without second thought
we are truly doomed
First day on the internet?
Honestly how does he even belive this shit?
Is he just moronic or something?
>Willian! Before you is the underpaid janitor that works for your company! He has a nicotine addiction, most likely to cope with the fact that he can't even afford to retire at his age! I trapped you two in a trap that he literally can't win just to teach you a lesson! Now end his life and go to the next room for the next trap where you will decide the fate of other two underpaid workers with jobs that barely have anything to do with the curruption in your company
smokers deserve worse
>Hello John Kramer
>We have audited your activities over the past 20 years
>Your involvement with a group responsible for kidnapping and eventually leading to the murder of civilians and officials has been uncovered
>Several members of this group have been arrested
>At least three members has confessed to receiving your help in the construction of the traps that have led to the death of civilians and officials. They also claimed that you are the mastermind behind them and their organization
>The penalty for these actions is death
>Goodbye "Jigsaw"
>Your execution is scheduled to happen immediately
>Your group of murderers and kidnappers has been crushed. The balance of justice is restored.
>Glory to Arstotzka
>We're not arresting you for murder. We're arresting you for kidnapping. Take him away, officers.
he always gives them a way to escape, so they can't get him for kidnapping
If you take someone against their will and brings them to somewhere they don't wanna be, it's kidnapping.
You have to keep them confined, Jigsaw doesn't do this and encourages people to escape, so he wouldn't be convicted for kidnapping.
He's locking them into traps and rooms. That is absolutely confinement. Show me any Saw movie where the person can just get up and leave without escaping the trap.
He isn't locking them in, there are ways to leave.
Not without escaping the traps.
The decisions are up to them.
It's still a crime to force someone to hurt themselves or others in order to escape from being kidnapped.
The charges, officer?
I wish i was trapped inside a room with her while she had to fart on my face
>hello anon
>I wanna play a game
>you've spent your entire life on an anonomyous mongolian basket weaving forum posting about how sexy braps are
>well now is your chance
>in this room is an asian girl who has been eating only kimchi for the last 72 hours
>in 60 seconds the room will be filled with a cyanide gas
>either breathe her farts or die
>the decision is yours
How it actually goes
>hello anon
>I wanna play a game
>you've spent your entire life on an anonomyous mongolian basket weaving forum posting about how sexy braps are
>well now is your chance
>in this room is an asian girl who has been eating only kimchi for the last 72 hours
>in 60 seconds the- wait stop
>I haven't explained the trap yet how did you kn
>Jesus stop no STOP
>The charges, officer?
Being a cute sexy Asian lady built to be absolutely pumped to her limits with whipped cream until she swells up and fricking explodes like a creamy bomb. (Non-lethally)
>a gorillian SAW films
>no inflation based trap
Robbed.
Nah, I'm glad, they'd just make it gross and probably do it to a guy rather than doing it justice and have it be like a ten minute scene of a sexy lady moaning and gasping in pleasure as she's relentlessly pumped up to exploding.
At least there are a few artists out there drawing SAW-ish scenarios. I suspect you don't enjoy them though as they're usually perma-pop.
Probably not, you're right - I'm ambivalent on perma pop since that can usually be handwaved away, but gruesome scenarios/where the girl doesn't enjoy it isn't appealing.
I more was using the framework of the Saw film as a vehicle for sexy Asian women erotically exploding.
>girl in your pic gets injected with a drug that causes rapid lactation
>if she is not milked, her breasts will explode
>There is a breast pump present, but if she uses it her milk will be pumped into another girl until she bursts.
>????
>profit
>she figures out the best solution: starts using the breast pump, but while making out with the girl she's filling with her milk, so both of them fill up
>both girls burst
The decision to be dragged into dirty bathrooms and locked into death traps were not up to them.
Stop being moronic.
Their actions in life directly led to them being placed in a trap, the decisions are always up to them. Jigsaw never murdered or kidnapped anyone.
The guy in 3, or 4? Dude gets a lot of free range and escapes the building early on, but Jigsaw has his wife and he is on a timer.
The decisions are up to him.
If you kidnap someone and then the instant they wake up the door is open and they can just walk out without effort and they do, that is still kidnapping and illegal.
>I didn't kidnap them, they chose to be rendered unconscious and dragged to my tests
Damn, he's good.
Refute what?
He was only responsibility for the traps in Saw 1-2 and Jigsaw. Everything else was rigged by Amanda/Hoffman.
funny enough most victims would have survived his trap if they only listened to what he said
I feel like this would have more credit if more people survived his traps aside from like a handful of people. Also
>Uh Amanda you gotta kill a guy to not die yourself.
WHAT THE FRICK WAS THE ? DUDES GAME? WAKE UP IN TIME TO NOT FRICKING DIE?
In Saw V, during the flashback with Hoffman and Jigsaw talking, Jigsaw mentions having a 100% rehabilitation rate. That's some pretty good credit for those that do manage to not commit suicide of their own will
He put them in that situation
spirit of the law, no one forced you to put them in that situation.
YOU LITERALLY FRICKING-- nah I can't keep my cool, he wins.
>Kidnapping using drugs, a lot of drugs
>Building hazardous artifacts
>Put people in dangerous and lethal situations
>Brainwash some frickers
>Make a criminal organization (or cult) around this, (you) as the leader
I hate this fricking meme
>your choice is to die or severely mutilate yourself and/or kill another person
Yes, definitely no laws broken here.
>we're safe from the JigC poster here
bros... im scared he might start posting...
Crap like this killed Australian movies.
Talk to Me was pretty good.
That shit was boring
I want to play a game, Anthony.
Mario
He would only lose a life if he died to a trap
if anything he might help him build more even ridiculous traps
I hope Tobin Bell lives till he's like 100 or something so we can keep getting more Saw films for like another decade or two.
I don't care what anyone says these movies are a great time and Saw X was unironically great.
Shawnee Smith is still pretty bangable
for me, it's the opening of Saw VII where the two bros realise that their girlfriend is a cheating prostitute so they chop her in half while she begs them to kill each other
i only watch the movies for his performance, he sells every bullshit he says perfectly
I unironically like all the main actors appearing in these movies. I wish Cary Elwes would return once again but I guess he's not interested.
Well he's 100% dead in the saw movies so how the hell will you get anything more from him
More inbetweenquels
Jigsaw is the master of convolute plotting, twisting and turning. He faked his death with plastic surgery and other hijinx. Saw XI will reveal he's alive and well in the future.
The "John" who died was his twin brother
Kirby easy
there are like thousands of video game characters who would basically be far too strong to even be effect by his traps, many who could just straight up smash down the walls
or do you mean without using brute force, magic, or some other shit like that.
i'd straight up die, a lot of the traps are too painful to even attempt
>Anon's ITT Justifying Jigsaw
just don't get trapped bro, it's that easy
>cut of your leg if you want to live
>uh, don't worry about bleeding out, sure my henchman is at your house miles away and I'm passed out on the floor but I'm sure it can be stopped trust me bro this is a important life lesson and if you die it's your own fault
People who try to justify Saw, claiming there's nothing illegal going on, are literal pajeet scum "merely pretending to be moronic".
Also frick off back to Ganker
Anyone above average human strength or power (magic and the like) what a dumb moronic question.
Pretty much all "super powers" characters. Prototype, Deshonored, Devil May Cry, God Hand etc etc.
Any maxed char from BG3 lol, 20 strength char can rip out pretty much all traps and 20 dex can wiggle out of them
The Saw movies suck
Man I love Tobin, such a cool guy. Wish he had more roles.
What's a Saw trap you think you could survive?
I honestly think the eye trap looks pretty easy.
Yeah sure a broken hand sunks but just get it over with and it will heal and you didn't get your eyes sucked out.
I think jigsaw's knife trap where you had to just push your face through the knives seems simple enough, even if it broke when he tried it
Can definitely do this one, it's just skin that'll grow back
Honestly don't get why he lost.
All he had to do was move forward and pull the lever.
this whole trap is fricking silly
>you're a racist so I'm going to rip your friend's body apart, make you rip your entire back off, crush your grilfriend's head and run over your other friend
couldn't just get him arrested for hate speech?
Right? Jigsaw has to be the shittiest vigilante ever.
I get the feeling this isn't video games, but then again the question was pretty stupid and too easy to answer
Havik
Hello Ganker I want to play a video game.
What games do you fellow kids recommend?
Also you've guys been appreciating life right? I think it's pretty cap to appreciate life.
sorry jigsaw there's only 4 controllers
Plok
Does it count if there's no conceivable way he could capture them in the first place?
Wrong board
Take your shitty meme with you.
the charges, janny?
>the charges, officer?
Would you Amanda?
More than the bug and their brap enthusiasts
Bigger
Unfixable
>you never appreciated your life something something you have a metal rod in you anus and you're inside a refrigerator machine 60 seconds make your choice
What do you do?
Die
In the case of the Jigsaw killer, we, the jury find the defendant, John Kramer...
NOT GUILTY of all charges!
These are the only a.i images I find funny.
Why does nobody ever try to piss or shit in these traps?
Fricking break them they can't be that sturdy.
A bunch of traps require you to fill jars up with blood or body parts right? well why not just piss and shit in them? take off your cloths and stuff them in.
mutilation would be the last option I pick.
the games are monitored. If you break the rules, you die anyway.
my constipated shits are legendary. I could probably fill a jar or two if I got caught on the right day, and having to shove it into the jar would probably impress him enough to give me a pass
You got 50 lbs of shit ready to dump at an instant?
You don't?
No one's gonna think about that when they're 40 seconds away from dying
I don't know, if I'm that close to dying I will probably be able to provide said shit and piss on quick notice. Almost too quick, possibly.
>i'm bad fuk wanna play a game
>get in this coffin and you don't die
>he chooses to not get in the coffin and instead literally puts someone else in the coffin instead
how the frick was this guy smart enough to survive the water cube trap
I think at that point he knew that Hoffman rigged his traps and was overthinking on the coffin trap because of that
>bro just get in this tiny coffin bro just trust me bro you won't die
Ushiromiya Battler
Battler is already in a Saw trap, it's just that the trap is called Umineko and the trap is on the players who have to stop reading or get bored to death
New Saw video game when?
The first one on the 360 was honestly pretty fun
>Hello Tyrone, would you like to play a game?
>For years you have been posting bbc threads on a taiwanese carpet weaving bulletin board in order to annoy the resident posters.
>Behind you is the Buck Breaker 9000, and it is poised to penetrate your anus at rate of 100 thrusts per minute.
>Live or die, make your choice.
>Hello Jeff
>Your son died recently and ever since you've been a real bummer to be around!
>Go through this series of traumatizing traps that will help you lighten up.
What did Jigsaw mean by this?
Saw 3 was a shitshow that made a horrible mistake of killing Jigsaw off
When I get my shako.
Omg its dream!
he's been through worse
He has, people even blame him for shit he didn't do.
>fnaf expect me to believe W. Afton is the magenta man, purple guy and orange/yellow man and that SL is somehow his fault despite being springtrapped for 30 years
What is this zoomer dweeb shit? Go play in Wrong board
Where do you think you are, moron?
Oh, you!
Anyone got the Jigsaw voice AI where he talks about a dildo?
this?
yep. Thanks anon
What's the most fricked up SAW trap?
>escaped butcher bay
Seems like it would be easy.
Joker from Persona would escape
she'll be fine
go back to your containment thread
In 60 seconds, GYAS GYAS GYA- GYASSS will fill the room
Would they be able to sing their way out of his traps?
I only now realised that Saw is just a slightly edgier Charlie and the Chocolate Factory
>slightly
Yes
I first watched this when I was like 5 and had nightmares about the bit where you see the chicken get its head chopped off
Yeah it's fricked up
And stuff like the kid getting stuck in the tube, the fan blades in the fizzy lifting drink chamber, stuff like that.
I don't think the bit with Violet gave me my fetish, I was almost certainly broken even by then, but it certainly freaked me out
To be fair to that anon, the boat ride was fricking wild
They're pretty good at losing limbs
putting someone in a life-threatening situation is illegal and any elaborate traps can be argued for negligent manslaughter for unattended dangerous equipment resulting in someone's death
Anyone with enough strength
>"hello Jeb, I'd like to play a game"
>"for years, you've - wait what's happening"
>the intricate torture device Jeb is bolted into starts to shake and rattle
>"stop, STOP IT W- H- AT'-"
>reality freezes for several seconds
>a loud explosion sound plays several times in a row
>when the dust clears the entire jigsaw death house has been obliterated
10/10
trans
-form sexy Asian women into bombs