The only way they retconned the gay was retconning pelinal being a man, so either a male or female player could properly roleplay in knights of the nine
>[And then] Perrif spoke to the Handmaiden again, eyes to the Heavens which had not known kindness since the beginning of elven rule, and she spoke as a mortal, whose kindle is beloved by the Gods for its strength-in-weakness, a humility that can burn with metaphor and yet break [easily and] always, always doomed to end in death (and this is why those who let their souls burn anyway are beloved of the Dragon and His Kin), and she said: "And this thing I have thought of, I have named it, and I call it freedom. Which I think is just another word for Shezarr Who Goes Missing... [You] made the first rain at his sundering [and that] is what I ask now for our alien masters... [that] we might sunder them fully and repay their cruelty [by] dispersing them to drown in the Topal. Morihaus, your son, mighty and snorting, gore-horned, winged, when next he flies down, let him bring us anger." >[And it is] said that he emerged into the world like a Padomaic, that is, borne by Sithis and all the forces of change therein. >"O Aka, for our shared madness I do this! I watch you watching me watching back! Umaril dares call us out, for that is how we made him!" [And it was during] these fits of anger and nonsense that Pelinal would fall into the Madness, where whole swaths of lands were devoured in divine rampage to become Void, and Alessia would have to pray to the Gods for their succor, and they would reach down as one mind and soothe the Whitestrake until he no longer had the will to kill the earth in whole. And Garid of the men-of-ge once saw such a Madness from afar and maneuvered, after it had abated, to drink together with Pelinal, and he asked what such an affliction felt like, to which Pelinal could only answer, "Like when the dream no longer needs its dreamer."
I mean, in fairness that was after storming the White-Gold Tower by himself, defeating hordes of daedra, and slaying a demigod. Only after all of that when the most powerful royals left all went in together in his weakened state were they able to cut him down. They still didn't kill him either. He monty pythoned himself into having one last conversation with Morihaus.
Elves in TES are undeniably the superior race. Humans basically require gods to carry them through everything to remain even remotely relevant. While elves are busy with large scale metaphysical projects to achieve apotheosis humans sit around living in wooden huts and dying to the cold.
>While elves are busy with large scale metaphysical projects to achieve apotheosis
I can name one (or three) human who has achieved this in its totality. How many Elves can you name? >V-Viv-
False Gods don't count. >M-Manni-
Half assed apotheosis don't count.
No matter how much you screech about it the godhead and all esotericism Michael Kirkbride wrote in in TES is completely canon. Oblivion and Skyrim even solidified some of it.
Kuckbride got kucked harder than pelinal
ESO is the ultimate canon and was made exlusively to (1) print money for Starfield funding and (2) fix the broken lore kuckbride made. >b-b-but
Second biggest selling Bethesda game in history
Why did I always used to hear rumor about Pelinal being a robot or cyborg or something? Was it the line about an artificial heart?
The books talk how he is from the future.
In ESO they explain he indeed comes from "the future", because in his rampage he angered Akatosh, who sent him back in time and back to Cyrodiil.
11 months ago
Anonymous
I'd take Kirkbride's gay Pelinal over ESO's Argonian troony coming out parties any day
11 months ago
Anonymous
The fanfic crowd would welcome you with open arms. Just keep it there.
11 months ago
Anonymous
That wasn't a pro-Kirkbride post, it was an anti-ESO one.
Now have a nice day, delusional ESOgay, your game's lore is unredeemable garbage in every single sense.
11 months ago
Anonymous
I am both anti ESO and post Bethesda MK. They have both done irreparable damage to TES.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Kuckbride is the biggest eceleb in tes lore subreddits.
Anyhow, he got kicked, most of his lore got either retconned or satirized, and all in a single game.
Now go take your pills grandpa.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Kirkbride is irrelevant you dumb Black person, ESO is written by a bunch of uncreative soulless millenial husks and everything that has ever come out of that game is absolute shit, israelitebride being shit as well doesn't fricking change that
Got any evidence to back that up? Hell they are so bad at war and a few more" victories" like Hammerfell and the Imperial City and the AD problem will solve itself
>Hell they are so bad at war and a few more" victories" like Hammerfell and the Imperial City and the AD problem will solve itself
I'm sorry, did we read the same lore? Because the Elves decimated Cyrodiil and destroyed the Imp City. They won the war with the Imperials absolutely, Hammerfell was the only place giving them trouble and that was because of guerilla tactics.
>In the end, the main Aldmeri army in Cyrodiil was completely destroyed. Lord Naarifin was kept alive for thirty-three days, hanging from the White-Gold tower. It is not recorded where his body was buried, if it was buried at all.
Cope.
Look up the term Pyrrhic victory. They are bad at war and have lost the element of surprise . The only thing saving the Empire right now is the AD is worse at war than they are
11 months ago
Anonymous
>The only thing saving the Empire right now is the AD is worse at war than they are
No, Talos worship is why the Empire is still standing and why the Thalmor won't ever win. They can't collapse the Tower that isn't.
11 months ago
Anonymous
AD incompetence is also playing a major role.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Not really, the AD is really trying as hard as they fricking can and doing pretty big plays,
It just doesn't matter because man created TES-Jesus with all the implications therein. The Thalmor can't win, they don't understand the mechanisms that animate the towers like they think they do. Banning Talos worship didn't do anything.
They don't know how to destroy it and it is the new hub of the aurbis.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Hammerfell is going to have a hard crusades angle. We're going to be teaming up with Alik'r redguards defending the faith from knife ear shits in the desert.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Their armies are decimated enough they not only could not deliver the coup de grace they had to sue for peace.
11 months ago
Anonymous
They don't need to, they have Talos.
You understand the setting as well as the Thalmor kek. >all towers are proto-merish creations to tether reality >thalmor want to collapse all towers to return to et'ada spirits >Talos tower is unassailable and a creation of man for man
Why do you think elves fade into nothingness in all fantasy lore? What do you think is going to happen to the knife ears when they collapse everything but the world of man? Do you think man will see this as a bad thing?
11 months ago
Anonymous
The metaphysics are a non factor. They will use whatever asspull they need. Just knowing it exists is enough. Don't really need the wiki article when the bulket points will do.
That being said the state of the AD presented in game shows they are fricked if the Empire either gets its shit together or just gets out of the way.
They weren't even from Tamriel.
We're going to turn Summerset into another Yokuda in TES6. Sword singing lore is leading us to nuking the thalmor back to the et'ada era by force.
>Mer next on the chopping block >Altmer
And you wonder why they're taking measures to defend themselves. And yes preemptive invasions are self defense.
>Mer that got corrupted from their original form. >Mer that no longer exist.
Aldmer is proto elf race anything is derivative, Altmer are coping as they describe themselves to be the closest to them
Imagine being created to exterminate a race of backstabbing homosexuals who have consistently made it their mission to wipe out/enslave all non-elf races, only for the humans to keep trying to make friends with them.
Alessia had to pray for forgiveness from the gods every time Pelinal went too far, Akatosh himself told him to frick off in Elsweyr and there were still many Ayleid city-states that worshipped the divines, he wasn't there to exterminate anything by any means.
Pelinal really makes no Goddamn sense when you get right down to it. He's a cyborg from the future or whatever, and is apparently a shezzarine at the same time + favored by the Aedra but also they fricking hate his ass because he kept massacring all their worshippers. Who was he even working for?
>Volumes 1-6 are taken from the so-called Reman Manuscript located in the Imperial Library. It is a transcription of older fragments collected by an unknown scholar of the early Second Era. Beyond this, little is known of the original sources of these fragments, some of which appear to be from the same period (perhaps even from the same manuscript). But, as no scholarly consensus yet exists on dating these six fragments, no opinions will be offered here.
You have to remember The Song of Pelinal might not be the most reliable source for 100% authenticity on how the Alessian Rebellion went down and Pelinal's nature. He's simply called a Nibenay warlord in another book.
The book that describes him as just a Nibenay warlord was a secular geography book from the late Second Era written by one of Tiber Septim's propagandists, not really all that reliable at all.
It's never stated in the books, but Kirkbride said that he's some sort of divine construct. >Pelinal was and is an insane collective swarmfoam war-fractal from the future, you betcha.
It was the apex of his channel. He had some good stuff after but animated opera is the best. They were mostly covers but it didn't feel like a straight up cover like here comes the sunbird or lonely thu'um.
He was a homosexual and then elves killed his boyfriend. He afterwards proceeded to a murderage.
The greatest hero of humanity in TES btw guys: A dickslurping mass murdering cyborg, who was on top of that too moronic to differentiate between literal elves and cats lol. No wonder his irl fanboys are all homosexuals.
You left out the parts of him being a wienersucker and mass murderer to a moronic degree.
When your adversaries (Mer) are known for ascending first to divinity, exploring the main continent (Topal the Explorer), forming the first empire on Tamriel (Ayleids), creating pretty much the entire schools of magic that you use, etc, etc, and your people (Men) on the other hand are only being known as a bunch of "kill all lol" murderhobos that you applaud for, you realize who is the real Black person race in TES. Not much different than Orcs.
Must be the dark Lorkhanic influence stemming all the way back from papa Sithis, I guess. Nirn is Lorkhan's plane after all and humans his pet project.
You will not find a single source in game to back up that conclusion. You fell for the fanfic meme Pelinal. TES lore is a minefield of unreliable narrators in game and outright lies outside it
Smells like cope but could be the coke I'm drinking atm.
>When your adversaries (Mer) are known for ascending first to divinity
You mean like being a Shezzarine of Lorkhan? >exploring the main continent (Topal the Explorer)
You mean like Cyrus the Redguard?
>What did Cyrus do that is comparable to Topal or the Mer ancestors?
He exists on Nirn when his people weren't from Nirn. Walking sideways is superior to anything mer have ever accomplished.
Metaphysics are just a macguffin to move things along.
Look at Skyrim.
You could write a 32 volume set on the dragon lore and the player would still just care that Dragons bad go get em tiger .
The metaphysics are of little actual consequence.
The metaphysics are reality though. You can talk to Hjalti Earlybeard's ghost in Skyrim.
[...]
MK isn't the end all be all of the entire TES lore for Azura's sake. His contribution is mainly MW with some pieces of regognized lore here and there in Oblivion and Skyrim. MK climbed on the backs of others before him like Ted Peterson (who wrote so many of the in-game books and established worldbuilding) and while many of his ideas were very interesting and unusual for the setting, he also did his blunders (like the lazy af Warp in the West explanation) and has some...strange fixations on things (sex, gays, gay sex).
If you ask me, at this point he IS overrated and overexposed.
No one asked you.
11 months ago
Anonymous
I know you can talk to the ghost of someone who served woth him in old hroldan. When can you talk to Hjalti?
11 months ago
Anonymous
I got it mistaken. He thinks (you) are Hjalti since mantling happened to Hjalti when he became Talos.
It's so cool how little touches like that are in Skyrim. People try to say it downplayed the crazy lore but its still there. You get a bow that can dim the sun straight from Auriel. Big whoop they can disappear the moons, their living ancestor gave me a bow that can do it to the sun.
11 months ago
Anonymous
I don't understand what you're talking about. Redguards originate from Yokuda. What the frick does this have to do with Cyrus other that he is a Redguard? And how it is comparable to an Aldmer that charted and explored nearly the entirety of Tamriel.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Exploring an alternate Tamriel is more than what golden shits ever did. Why not try doing something on that scale? Afraid you might end up like your cousins?
11 months ago
Anonymous
Oh so you subscribe to that theory.
Tell you what mr -10 Intelligence Black, why don't you try to not ape out and blow up your home continent next time in the future, like the fricking -10 INT simpleton that you are. Then we'll talk.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>that theory
aren't the thalmor trying to turn into spirits again?
11 months ago
Anonymous
No, that's literally just a wiki admin's fanfiction that way too fricking popular, the Thalmor's ultimate goal appears to be to simply be destroying Talos and wiping out Men in the process.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>the Thalmor's ultimate goal appears to be to simply be destroying Talos and wiping out Men in the process.
But they should know that isn't possible...
Argonians will probably end up solving the thalmor problem.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>humanity has failed, altmer are about to destroy them forever >some elf boot kicks over a plant pot >hist network detects threat, reworks their lizard golem code with the line "constantly emits gas fatal to mer"
11 months ago
Anonymous
>wiping out Men
I wouldn't go that far. Stomping out Talos worship completely and subjugating Men all under the umbrella of "enlightening our moronic cousins since we know so much better" seem enough of main goals for the Thalmor specifically.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Man what the frick are you talking about? That is 100% the goal. The endgame of every Mer society is to return to their Aedric states in Aetherius.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>The endgame of every Mer society is to return to their Aedric states in Aetherius.
Citation needed.
Do not bag all the mer like a moron when only the Thalmor, which is an Altmer-specific 4th Era governing entity, show important interest in doing that (and even that is not certain and relies heavily on MKcanon).
11 months ago
Anonymous
Kirkbride's Thalmor lore is also just them wanting to kill all men and Talos, nothing to do with the Towers or becoming spirits. The Tower theory is based entirely around the lyrics of that one song and assumptions on what Mer theology are like, nothing to do with Kirkbride.
11 months ago
Anonymous
The Nords are trying to help them one altmer at a time.
Cope as you see fit for being unable to find anything in game to support Pelly being gay .
You need to go to the fanfics for that.
Todds crime that annoys the codacrowd to no end is the fact Todd let it be known in no uncertain terms MK is playing in Todds sandbox and not the other way around.
No one cares that he was gay anon. The empire is a blatant roman empire proxy him having a hoplite loverboy is okay lol.
The dude shot lasers from his fingertips and smothered people in moths. Huna is a side note in the insanity of Pelinal.
The tin can had a full blown coversation with Morihaus while being decapitated.
The talos rant in Skyrim shows that the setting is and always will be MK's playground and Todd wants it that way.
The metaphysics are a non factor. They will use whatever asspull they need. Just knowing it exists is enough. Don't really need the wiki article when the bulket points will do.
That being said the state of the AD presented in game shows they are fricked if the Empire either gets its shit together or just gets out of the way.
The metaphysics are the only factor given the nature of the setting. If the metaphysics didn't matter they wouldn't be a merish supremacy faction trying to return to being spirits that only mer can return to (so they believe).
>The talos rant in Skyrim shows that the setting is and always will be MK's playground and Todd wants it that way.
Todd wants it this way. As long as they get to make badass lore for the Redguards Todd allows all things.
No one cares that he was gay anon. The empire is a blatant roman empire proxy him having a hoplite loverboy is okay lol.
The dude shot lasers from his fingertips and smothered people in moths. Huna is a side note in the insanity of Pelinal.
The tin can had a full blown coversation with Morihaus while being decapitated.
MK isn't the end all be all of the entire TES lore for Azura's sake. His contribution is mainly MW with some pieces of regognized lore here and there in Oblivion and Skyrim. MK climbed on the backs of others before him like Ted Peterson (who wrote so many of the in-game books and established worldbuilding) and while many of his ideas were very interesting and unusual for the setting, he also did his blunders (like the lazy af Warp in the West explanation) and has some...strange fixations on things (sex, gays, gay sex).
If you ask me, at this point he IS overrated and overexposed.
You will not find a single source in game to back up that conclusion. You fell for the fanfic meme Pelinal. TES lore is a minefield of unreliable narrators in game and outright lies outside it
Yeah that is surprising because Achilles wasn't gay and there is literally, and I literally mean literally is not 1 (one) single piece of evidence extant anywhere in history that says so. It's explicitly NOT in the Iliad and NOT in the Odyssey.
Simple ideas for simple minds. They need to expand their horizons and read a book.
Pellys love for Hins could have been abrotherly love born out of respect for Hinas rise from aslave to a trusted lieutenant.
To them it is just about butt stuff.
Sad just how simple minded and uncultured they are.
He was gay for Huna but not just for twink lust. Huna was a hoplite in a hopeless war and still fought until he gave his life. He symbolized hope to Pelinal. Until Huna's death Pelinal acted according to whatever plan or directive he had. He snapped after the death because he was now personally involved instead of being an outside element looking in.
It's played like a greek tragedy, the homosexual stuff is tertiary.
>huna is guts >pelinal is skull knight
In a timeline where guts dies. There zoomers should be able to get it now.
He was gay for Huna but not just for twink lust. Huna was a hoplite in a hopeless war and still fought until he gave his life. He symbolized hope to Pelinal. Until Huna's death Pelinal acted according to whatever plan or directive he had. He snapped after the death because he was now personally involved instead of being an outside element looking in.
It's played like a greek tragedy, the homosexual stuff is tertiary.
Achilles wasn't gay, the song of achilles is literally fan fiction. Achilles is mad in the first place in the Iliad because Agamemnon steals his captive girl Briseis
He killed women and children, and enjoyed it, so that automatically makes him based. So many characters in fiction are cucked in that when they see an enemy baby, they don't smash its head in with their boot while laughing. The only issue with Pelinel was that he was too kind. A swift death is a mercy that elves do not deserve. What he should have done is created a system to efficiently maximize elven pain before death. I'm talking about torture camps and factories to churn out black soul gems to trap elven souls.
His gay lover died.
Literally not canon
Todd told MK no on the whole gay thing. That is just part of the fanfics now.
Based Todd tells degenerates off once again.
The only way they retconned the gay was retconning pelinal being a man, so either a male or female player could properly roleplay in knights of the nine
Not a retcon. Todd told him to remove the gay thing and a paragraph long description of a minotaur penis or it wouldn't be included in the DLC.
There was no gay people in medieval times. Gay only started in like the 80s or something.
And? Oblivion isn’t set in medieval times.
>There was no gay people in medieval times. Gay only started in like the 80s or something.
I hope you baiting.
Antinous and Hadrian.
>Antinous and Hadrian.
israeli propaganda. Next.
This. Your epic knight guy is a literal flaming homosexual, deal with it
Elves
Elves exist.
gay
Not enough dead elves
Nothing. The elves were the problem.
He was angry about elves
He was schizophrenic and prone to extremely violent outbursts due to his connection with Akatosh or something along those lines
>[And then] Perrif spoke to the Handmaiden again, eyes to the Heavens which had not known kindness since the beginning of elven rule, and she spoke as a mortal, whose kindle is beloved by the Gods for its strength-in-weakness, a humility that can burn with metaphor and yet break [easily and] always, always doomed to end in death (and this is why those who let their souls burn anyway are beloved of the Dragon and His Kin), and she said: "And this thing I have thought of, I have named it, and I call it freedom. Which I think is just another word for Shezarr Who Goes Missing... [You] made the first rain at his sundering [and that] is what I ask now for our alien masters... [that] we might sunder them fully and repay their cruelty [by] dispersing them to drown in the Topal. Morihaus, your son, mighty and snorting, gore-horned, winged, when next he flies down, let him bring us anger."
>[And it is] said that he emerged into the world like a Padomaic, that is, borne by Sithis and all the forces of change therein.
>"O Aka, for our shared madness I do this! I watch you watching me watching back! Umaril dares call us out, for that is how we made him!" [And it was during] these fits of anger and nonsense that Pelinal would fall into the Madness, where whole swaths of lands were devoured in divine rampage to become Void, and Alessia would have to pray to the Gods for their succor, and they would reach down as one mind and soothe the Whitestrake until he no longer had the will to kill the earth in whole. And Garid of the men-of-ge once saw such a Madness from afar and maneuvered, after it had abated, to drink together with Pelinal, and he asked what such an affliction felt like, to which Pelinal could only answer, "Like when the dream no longer needs its dreamer."
can nerevar beat pelinal? the real nerevar, not the morrowind one
Nerevar literally beat Lorkhan and Pelinal got killed by an ambush from a bunch of random Ayleid lords, so maybe
I mean, in fairness that was after storming the White-Gold Tower by himself, defeating hordes of daedra, and slaying a demigod. Only after all of that when the most powerful royals left all went in together in his weakened state were they able to cut him down. They still didn't kill him either. He monty pythoned himself into having one last conversation with Morihaus.
no, Pelinal has cheats
Elves in TES are undeniably the superior race. Humans basically require gods to carry them through everything to remain even remotely relevant. While elves are busy with large scale metaphysical projects to achieve apotheosis humans sit around living in wooden huts and dying to the cold.
>While elves are busy with large scale metaphysical projects to achieve apotheosis
I can name one (or three) human who has achieved this in its totality. How many Elves can you name?
>V-Viv-
False Gods don't count.
>M-Manni-
Half assed apotheosis don't count.
True apotheosis. Becoming the godhead. Being an Aedra is nothing.
Got cucked and betrayed hard by Akatosh
>headcanon
Go back to plebbit, morroboomer.
No matter how much you screech about it the godhead and all esotericism Michael Kirkbride wrote in in TES is completely canon. Oblivion and Skyrim even solidified some of it.
Kuckbride got kucked harder than pelinal
ESO is the ultimate canon and was made exlusively to (1) print money for Starfield funding and (2) fix the broken lore kuckbride made.
>b-b-but
Second biggest selling Bethesda game in history
The books talk how he is from the future.
In ESO they explain he indeed comes from "the future", because in his rampage he angered Akatosh, who sent him back in time and back to Cyrodiil.
I'd take Kirkbride's gay Pelinal over ESO's Argonian troony coming out parties any day
The fanfic crowd would welcome you with open arms. Just keep it there.
That wasn't a pro-Kirkbride post, it was an anti-ESO one.
Now have a nice day, delusional ESOgay, your game's lore is unredeemable garbage in every single sense.
I am both anti ESO and post Bethesda MK. They have both done irreparable damage to TES.
Kuckbride is the biggest eceleb in tes lore subreddits.
Anyhow, he got kicked, most of his lore got either retconned or satirized, and all in a single game.
Now go take your pills grandpa.
Kirkbride is irrelevant you dumb Black person, ESO is written by a bunch of uncreative soulless millenial husks and everything that has ever come out of that game is absolute shit, israelitebride being shit as well doesn't fricking change that
Mannimarco got his wish didn't he?
The entire race of the Dwemer laughs at you
>local man can’t tell the difference between laughing and screaming in eternal agony
>Anuic elves obsessed with transcending mortal reality
>Only padomaic cultures have ever done so
Mer that got corrupted from their original form.
Falmer, Orsimer, Dunmer.
Mer that no longer exist.
Eyelids and Dwemer
Mer next on the chopping block
Altmer
Mer no one has evercared about
Bosmer
Not seeing a whole lot of merrish excellence here.
>Mer next on the chopping block
>Altmer
Lmao no
Altmer are the undisputed kings of Tamriel.
Got any evidence to back that up? Hell they are so bad at war and a few more" victories" like Hammerfell and the Imperial City and the AD problem will solve itself
>The Altmeri dominion literally rules over the empire
>W-where is your evidence bro!
Your headcanon is not the validation you believe it to be.
You mean the Empire of Cyrodil?
They aren't part of the Thalmor. Knife ears can't do anything right since the Talos tower was erected.
>Hell they are so bad at war and a few more" victories" like Hammerfell and the Imperial City and the AD problem will solve itself
I'm sorry, did we read the same lore? Because the Elves decimated Cyrodiil and destroyed the Imp City. They won the war with the Imperials absolutely, Hammerfell was the only place giving them trouble and that was because of guerilla tactics.
>In the end, the main Aldmeri army in Cyrodiil was completely destroyed. Lord Naarifin was kept alive for thirty-three days, hanging from the White-Gold tower. It is not recorded where his body was buried, if it was buried at all.
Cope.
Look up the term Pyrrhic victory. They are bad at war and have lost the element of surprise . The only thing saving the Empire right now is the AD is worse at war than they are
>The only thing saving the Empire right now is the AD is worse at war than they are
No, Talos worship is why the Empire is still standing and why the Thalmor won't ever win. They can't collapse the Tower that isn't.
AD incompetence is also playing a major role.
Not really, the AD is really trying as hard as they fricking can and doing pretty big plays,
It just doesn't matter because man created TES-Jesus with all the implications therein. The Thalmor can't win, they don't understand the mechanisms that animate the towers like they think they do. Banning Talos worship didn't do anything.
They don't know how to destroy it and it is the new hub of the aurbis.
Hammerfell is going to have a hard crusades angle. We're going to be teaming up with Alik'r redguards defending the faith from knife ear shits in the desert.
Their armies are decimated enough they not only could not deliver the coup de grace they had to sue for peace.
They don't need to, they have Talos.
You understand the setting as well as the Thalmor kek.
>all towers are proto-merish creations to tether reality
>thalmor want to collapse all towers to return to et'ada spirits
>Talos tower is unassailable and a creation of man for man
Why do you think elves fade into nothingness in all fantasy lore? What do you think is going to happen to the knife ears when they collapse everything but the world of man? Do you think man will see this as a bad thing?
The metaphysics are a non factor. They will use whatever asspull they need. Just knowing it exists is enough. Don't really need the wiki article when the bulket points will do.
That being said the state of the AD presented in game shows they are fricked if the Empire either gets its shit together or just gets out of the way.
They weren't even from Tamriel.
We're going to turn Summerset into another Yokuda in TES6. Sword singing lore is leading us to nuking the thalmor back to the et'ada era by force.
>Mer next on the chopping block
>Altmer
And you wonder why they're taking measures to defend themselves. And yes preemptive invasions are self defense.
The Altmer cries out in pain as he strikes you.
>Mer that got corrupted from their original form.
>Mer that no longer exist.
Aldmer is proto elf race anything is derivative, Altmer are coping as they describe themselves to be the closest to them
I think it's funny how poorly recieved Pelinal would be if he was the exact same character, but did all the things he did to humans instead of Elves.
no shit, elves 100% had it coming, it's not genocide, it's justice
an elf killing thousands of humans is just a piece of shit
Considering what the humans got up too once they took over Cyrodiil, they had the Sacking of Imperial City coming as well.
>Considering what the humans got up too once they took over Cyrodiil
you're saying this as if elves should be allowed to exist in the first place
It was a literal monkey man who genocided the good boy ayleids, not humans
Imagine being created to exterminate a race of backstabbing homosexuals who have consistently made it their mission to wipe out/enslave all non-elf races, only for the humans to keep trying to make friends with them.
It'd drive any fricker mad.
he was already mad, constantly rambling to himself, breaking into hysteria
Because he was cursed with endless knowledge, the knowledge of humanity's endless self-cuckening.
Alessia had to pray for forgiveness from the gods every time Pelinal went too far, Akatosh himself told him to frick off in Elsweyr and there were still many Ayleid city-states that worshipped the divines, he wasn't there to exterminate anything by any means.
Pelinal really makes no Goddamn sense when you get right down to it. He's a cyborg from the future or whatever, and is apparently a shezzarine at the same time + favored by the Aedra but also they fricking hate his ass because he kept massacring all their worshippers. Who was he even working for?
>Volumes 1-6 are taken from the so-called Reman Manuscript located in the Imperial Library. It is a transcription of older fragments collected by an unknown scholar of the early Second Era. Beyond this, little is known of the original sources of these fragments, some of which appear to be from the same period (perhaps even from the same manuscript). But, as no scholarly consensus yet exists on dating these six fragments, no opinions will be offered here.
You have to remember The Song of Pelinal might not be the most reliable source for 100% authenticity on how the Alessian Rebellion went down and Pelinal's nature. He's simply called a Nibenay warlord in another book.
The book that describes him as just a Nibenay warlord was a secular geography book from the late Second Era written by one of Tiber Septim's propagandists, not really all that reliable at all.
The potential unreliability of everything you read is what makes TES ludo.
Why did I always used to hear rumor about Pelinal being a robot or cyborg or something? Was it the line about an artificial heart?
Isn't his heart literally the Dragon Amulet? So by definition he is a cyborg.
It's never stated in the books, but Kirkbride said that he's some sort of divine construct.
>Pelinal was and is an insane collective swarmfoam war-fractal from the future, you betcha.
Kirkbride is such a homosexual. He just throws random words together and acts like it was all planned out.
It was planned from the beginning.
But you're right, he likes moronic word constructions too much. It's so hard to read his texts, Jesus.
The song of Pelinal books do in fact describe him as being "From the future time" or something like that, so it was planned out.
??? How do you invade land you already live on?
Elves aren't from the current universe but the one before
More mer than time.
He was a homosexual. I side with the elves based on that alone. Gay men disgust me on an instinctual level even worse than troons.
He is gay and racist
Huna is dead.
Honestly, Allinall's Pelinal was a masterpiece.
It was the apex of his channel. He had some good stuff after but animated opera is the best. They were mostly covers but it didn't feel like a straight up cover like here comes the sunbird or lonely thu'um.
His Berserk stuff is also great.
He was a homosexual and then elves killed his boyfriend. He afterwards proceeded to a murderage.
The greatest hero of humanity in TES btw guys: A dickslurping mass murdering cyborg, who was on top of that too moronic to differentiate between literal elves and cats lol. No wonder his irl fanboys are all homosexuals.
A time traveling robot that kills elves is pretty awesome.
You left out the parts of him being a wienersucker and mass murderer to a moronic degree.
When your adversaries (Mer) are known for ascending first to divinity, exploring the main continent (Topal the Explorer), forming the first empire on Tamriel (Ayleids), creating pretty much the entire schools of magic that you use, etc, etc, and your people (Men) on the other hand are only being known as a bunch of "kill all lol" murderhobos that you applaud for, you realize who is the real Black person race in TES. Not much different than Orcs.
Must be the dark Lorkhanic influence stemming all the way back from papa Sithis, I guess. Nirn is Lorkhan's plane after all and humans his pet project.
Smells like cope but could be the coke I'm drinking atm.
>When your adversaries (Mer) are known for ascending first to divinity
You mean like being a Shezzarine of Lorkhan?
>exploring the main continent (Topal the Explorer)
You mean like Cyrus the Redguard?
>Lorkhan
Lorkhan was/is an og daedra Padomaic spirit and Prince, not an Ehlnofey.
What did Cyrus do that is comparable to Topal or the Mer ancestors? We're talking Merethic Era here, an entire era devoted to elves.
>What did Cyrus do that is comparable to Topal or the Mer ancestors?
He exists on Nirn when his people weren't from Nirn. Walking sideways is superior to anything mer have ever accomplished.
The metaphysics are reality though. You can talk to Hjalti Earlybeard's ghost in Skyrim.
No one asked you.
I know you can talk to the ghost of someone who served woth him in old hroldan. When can you talk to Hjalti?
I got it mistaken. He thinks (you) are Hjalti since mantling happened to Hjalti when he became Talos.
It's so cool how little touches like that are in Skyrim. People try to say it downplayed the crazy lore but its still there. You get a bow that can dim the sun straight from Auriel. Big whoop they can disappear the moons, their living ancestor gave me a bow that can do it to the sun.
I don't understand what you're talking about. Redguards originate from Yokuda. What the frick does this have to do with Cyrus other that he is a Redguard? And how it is comparable to an Aldmer that charted and explored nearly the entirety of Tamriel.
Exploring an alternate Tamriel is more than what golden shits ever did. Why not try doing something on that scale? Afraid you might end up like your cousins?
Oh so you subscribe to that theory.
Tell you what mr -10 Intelligence Black, why don't you try to not ape out and blow up your home continent next time in the future, like the fricking -10 INT simpleton that you are. Then we'll talk.
>that theory
aren't the thalmor trying to turn into spirits again?
No, that's literally just a wiki admin's fanfiction that way too fricking popular, the Thalmor's ultimate goal appears to be to simply be destroying Talos and wiping out Men in the process.
>the Thalmor's ultimate goal appears to be to simply be destroying Talos and wiping out Men in the process.
But they should know that isn't possible...
Argonians will probably end up solving the thalmor problem.
>humanity has failed, altmer are about to destroy them forever
>some elf boot kicks over a plant pot
>hist network detects threat, reworks their lizard golem code with the line "constantly emits gas fatal to mer"
>wiping out Men
I wouldn't go that far. Stomping out Talos worship completely and subjugating Men all under the umbrella of "enlightening our moronic cousins since we know so much better" seem enough of main goals for the Thalmor specifically.
Man what the frick are you talking about? That is 100% the goal. The endgame of every Mer society is to return to their Aedric states in Aetherius.
>The endgame of every Mer society is to return to their Aedric states in Aetherius.
Citation needed.
Do not bag all the mer like a moron when only the Thalmor, which is an Altmer-specific 4th Era governing entity, show important interest in doing that (and even that is not certain and relies heavily on MKcanon).
Kirkbride's Thalmor lore is also just them wanting to kill all men and Talos, nothing to do with the Towers or becoming spirits. The Tower theory is based entirely around the lyrics of that one song and assumptions on what Mer theology are like, nothing to do with Kirkbride.
The Nords are trying to help them one altmer at a time.
Cope as you see fit for being unable to find anything in game to support Pelly being gay .
You need to go to the fanfics for that.
Todds crime that annoys the codacrowd to no end is the fact Todd let it be known in no uncertain terms MK is playing in Todds sandbox and not the other way around.
No one cares that he was gay anon. The empire is a blatant roman empire proxy him having a hoplite loverboy is okay lol.
The dude shot lasers from his fingertips and smothered people in moths. Huna is a side note in the insanity of Pelinal.
The tin can had a full blown coversation with Morihaus while being decapitated.
Nobody cares he is gay in the fanfics. I will concede that much.
The talos rant in Skyrim shows that the setting is and always will be MK's playground and Todd wants it that way.
The metaphysics are the only factor given the nature of the setting. If the metaphysics didn't matter they wouldn't be a merish supremacy faction trying to return to being spirits that only mer can return to (so they believe).
>The talos rant in Skyrim shows that the setting is and always will be MK's playground and Todd wants it that way.
Todd wants it this way. As long as they get to make badass lore for the Redguards Todd allows all things.
Remember when the codacrowd got mouthy about ESO and got moved to the
fanfic section of the official forum
The facts in evidence do not support your conclusion.
Metaphysics are just a macguffin to move things along.
Look at Skyrim.
You could write a 32 volume set on the dragon lore and the player would still just care that Dragons bad go get em tiger .
The metaphysics are of little actual consequence.
MK isn't the end all be all of the entire TES lore for Azura's sake. His contribution is mainly MW with some pieces of regognized lore here and there in Oblivion and Skyrim. MK climbed on the backs of others before him like Ted Peterson (who wrote so many of the in-game books and established worldbuilding) and while many of his ideas were very interesting and unusual for the setting, he also did his blunders (like the lazy af Warp in the West explanation) and has some...strange fixations on things (sex, gays, gay sex).
If you ask me, at this point he IS overrated and overexposed.
Anything to do with piss, shit, jizz, or blood comes from MK. That boy has more kinks than an old garden hose.
I get the feeling MK is a closet case. The poor girl he groomed to be his beard must be hating life.
Didn't he take every drug in existence to the point where he ended up in rehab?
He was an alcoholic not a drug addict.
You will not find a single source in game to back up that conclusion. You fell for the fanfic meme Pelinal. TES lore is a minefield of unreliable narrators in game and outright lies outside it
Dagoth Ur fricked his wife and daughter.
>Fantasy character is literally based off the myth of Achilles
>Surprised he's gay
Yeah that is surprising because Achilles wasn't gay and there is literally, and I literally mean literally is not 1 (one) single piece of evidence extant anywhere in history that says so. It's explicitly NOT in the Iliad and NOT in the Odyssey.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Achilles_and_Patroclus
moron
did you even read the article you posted
>hero is Ancient Greek
>has male friends that he cares about
>must be gay lol
>Ancient Greek Philosophers
>Confirmed pederasts
>Ancient Greek Rulers
>Confirmed pederasts
>Ancient Greek Gods
>Confirmed pederasts
>Ancient Greek Mythos Warrior
>"They were just very very good friends, there is literally zero evidence, modern historians ar-"
They were fricked up and all just a bunch of pedos.
Nothing wrong in just accepting that and moving on.
Simple ideas for simple minds. They need to expand their horizons and read a book.
Pellys love for Hins could have been abrotherly love born out of respect for Hinas rise from aslave to a trusted lieutenant.
To them it is just about butt stuff.
Sad just how simple minded and uncultured they are.
>huna is guts
>pelinal is skull knight
In a timeline where guts dies. There zoomers should be able to get it now.
He was gay for Huna but not just for twink lust. Huna was a hoplite in a hopeless war and still fought until he gave his life. He symbolized hope to Pelinal. Until Huna's death Pelinal acted according to whatever plan or directive he had. He snapped after the death because he was now personally involved instead of being an outside element looking in.
It's played like a greek tragedy, the homosexual stuff is tertiary.
Achilles wasn't gay, the song of achilles is literally fan fiction. Achilles is mad in the first place in the Iliad because Agamemnon steals his captive girl Briseis
He killed women and children, and enjoyed it, so that automatically makes him based. So many characters in fiction are cucked in that when they see an enemy baby, they don't smash its head in with their boot while laughing. The only issue with Pelinel was that he was too kind. A swift death is a mercy that elves do not deserve. What he should have done is created a system to efficiently maximize elven pain before death. I'm talking about torture camps and factories to churn out black soul gems to trap elven souls.
Killing merrish women and children is a victimless crime.
It is a pious act. Tell me the difference between a mershit in a skinsuit and a vampire or a zombie?
Somebody was happy they created a zombie.
The good guys of the setting everyone.
The people we root for. The moral high ground.
Morality is a lie they tell us to keep us down. Taking the red pill is to become unburdened with such onerous considerations.
Elves and hairy elv-
>Khajiits are not elves
Whoopsie daisy
Was the Shivering Isles DLC just the Champion swimming in Lake Bravil after being sent insane from mantling Pelinal?
The Eternal Altmer.
So was he a cyborg or what?
Yes, we've established that
Obligatory
anyone of you gays play ESO?
who is this chad knight?