>What was the last good Pokemon game?
Unironically
Pokemon hasn't fallen off. It's true every entry stumbles in some way, but the gameplay hasn't been affected at all. SV's DLC even has some of Pokemon's finest battles and the remixed Unova battle theme is excellent.
>rival battles you can only do once >they're likely 10+ levels under you anyway so there's no challenge
Doesn't also help that you NEED to buy the expansion just to get an "ok" experience, and applauding music is like praising every game for having online, it doesn't count as a bonus.
SV are terrible games with somehow LESS content than SwSh, with the added benefit of now severe performance issues, something that will he a new reoccurring problem with the series because Gamefreak can't code.
You're right I was being generous. There's actually negative challenge, which has been an issue since LGPE, and continually making your baby franchise easier isn't a good thing. Imagine all the work that could had went into fixing the shit frame rate if it wasn't wasted on competitive sets that get blown the frick out by mons 10+ levels over anyway.
>and continually making your baby franchise easier
The newer games are harder though.
5 months ago
Anonymous
You can catch 6 random mons and have them drastically outlevel the content without ever letting them participate. There aren't anymore trainer gauntlets, there's a full heal around every corner, most mons have omni coverage and goofy high BSTs, and there's been a shitty anime mechanic only you can truly break open included in every game since XY.
Games have never been easier.
5 months ago
Anonymous
>You can catch 6 random mons and have them drastically outlevel the content without ever letting them participate. There aren't anymore trainer gauntlets, there's a full heal around every corner, most mons have omni coverage and goofy high BSTs,
so....like BW2?
>"The Battle Frontier Project Has Started!"
I stopped buying pokemon games after reading this. The fricking phrase is going to live rent free in my head for the rest of my life
Scarlet is so fricking bad. There's literally zero difficulty. I'm watching my niece play and my god I have never seen an easier game. She went into the battle with Iron Treads underleveld, and I start to think, is this finally going to pose a little difficulty to an 8 year old girl? Nope, she barely even hit the thing but Arven absolutely demolished it for her. She could have not attacked once and "won" the fight. I know these games are made for kids, but even by that standard they're too easy.
the sprites in this game look so fricking ugly wtf
5 months ago
Anonymous
>scree cap >no victory >probably cheated and started with an axew anyway
You didn't beat the game.
5 months ago
Anonymous
>y-you had to cheat to outspeed and 1HKO this shitmon that’s 10 levels under and has no EVs
LMAO unovagays are the most delusional morons I’ve ever seen
The old games were too simple, but the basic foundation was good. It worked. The new games don't work, unless your goal is to play with friends or online.
>but the basic foundation was good. It worked.
It didn't fricking work, the god damn tutorial for the first two game completely fricking broke them. The hell do you mean it worked.
I 100% the Scarlet dex and enjoyed my time with it, I just really wish the game wasn't so ugly and actually ran well. I understand the Switch is underpowered but DQ11 looks better, SMTV looks better, fricking Fortnite looks better. Even PLA and LGPE look better. I don't mind the new designs, the battles were fun, and the story was there (which can't be said for most Pokemon games). For the love of God Gamefreak raise the budget or something
>Stopped caring about series long ago >Come back to find out you can now control Pokemon with the Synchro machine >I finally get to play pokemon as I always wanted since I was a kid
Unironically kino
>for no real reason
Gen 4 runs like molasses through a straw
platinum/hgss aren't that fricking slow until you start doing the battle facilities and you start running into blisseys. you people are such homosexuals
black/white 2. pokemon turned to shit once it went 3D and the switch games are fricking god awful, poorly optimized, piss easy, braindead shit i have ever seen. ppl who pay a premium $60 for that slop have no will power and are man children.
fun controls, cool pokemon selection, great soundtrack, and if you're a loregay like me then you'll be shitting yourself the whole time from all the callbacks
Arceus is good
Not great, but good
It's got everything you'd want in a Pokemon game. A focus on catching them all, side quests, special pokemon to catch (alphas), less wasted time, somewhat likeable characters. It's just held back by the horrific graphics/animations.
USUM, BDSP, PLA, and SV's DLC are the hardest games in the series, unironically. You just don't notice because your brain equates difficulty with spending hours grinding against shitmons in the grass.
controversial choice but i'm going to have to go with USUM. it was the last game that had every single pokemon and move that existed at the time before lamefreak decided to wiener block players from using whatever mon with whatever move they wanted. cutting moves like Aromatherapy, Pursuit and Signal Beam is just gay. i also liked Battles Royales and Totem Pokemon. cities like Malie and Kau'oli have good night time music
>USUM
What are your thoughts on the story changes? seems like the main issue people have compared to the original versions.
i can understand why somebody wouldn't like them but that's pretty much the only thing SM has over USUM. i wouldn't be able to go back to SM because it's missing move tutors and such
controversial choice but i'm going to have to go with USUM. it was the last game that had every single pokemon and move that existed at the time before lamefreak decided to wiener block players from using whatever mon with whatever move they wanted. cutting moves like Aromatherapy, Pursuit and Signal Beam is just gay. i also liked Battles Royales and Totem Pokemon. cities like Malie and Kau'oli have good night time music
Gen 4 was obviously the line in the sand, but I can understand why people liked 5 and/or 6. Gen 7, 8 and 9 defenders (including the ones in this thread) are part of the reason I don't go on /vp/ anymore.
I remember that thread vividly, that was just a lunatic scrawling dozens of nitpicks he had with the game. HMs were hardly a nuisance for anyone with more than a baby's attention span.
This shit is just nostalgia: the post.
You're not gonna convince me the new ones are any better that way.
When you have that many nitpicks you have a point.
I will save you the time and tell you my favorite gen was 4 despite most of those gripes being reasonable.
Exaggerates nothingburgers (is that a Geodude I'm going insane!!!), tries to dismiss the Frontier as fast as possible despite it being the only other Frontier in Pokemon so his attempt at proving Platinum is awful in metric has already failed, surface level analysis of teambuilding only going as far as mon availability without discussing other aspects like training or moveset customization, thinks Gamefreak cares about puzzles when they rehashed the same ice gimmick for multiple gens, actually thinks the game requires Flash and Defog, story part is just more nothingburgers or just outright being incorrect (thinks a comedic moment where the impatient spaz barely pays attention to the champion is broken worldbuilding, thinks Cyrus just lets you free the legendaries when you fought though the base and defeated him first before he had an opportunity to dispose of them, and Saturn still tries to stop you when you reach the legendaries).
>is that a Geodude I'm going insane
now make it 150 Geodude over the course of the entire game that interrupt you for 15 seconds every 5 steps
>only other Frontier
When the other one is drastically better, and Platinum's BF is so shit that even the Battle Maison outclasses it, then yes, it's awful.
>without discussing other aspects like training or moveset customization
The game doesn't make these other aspects relevant because the campaign has toddler level difficulty and the postgame has such dogshit QoL it's barely even worth doing.
>thinks Gamefreak cares about puzzles
In Gen 1-3 they did. DPPt has drastically shittier quality so they did stop caring about puzzles in DPPt.
>actually thinks the game requires Flash and Defog
Yeah, instead it just makes it incredibly tedious and annoying to play without thm.
>thinks a comedic moment where the impatient spaz barely pays attention to the champion is broken worldbuilding
The guy who cares about being a strong battler should know who the strongest battler in the region is, yes.
>thinks Cyrus just lets you free the legendaries when you fought though the base and defeated him first before he had an opportunity to dispose of them
He didn't have to hand you a free Master Ball and tell you where the legendaries are but he did anyway because he's a complete moron who doesn't know how to plan.
>The Pokemon are free even with the DLC. They're literally the only parts of the DLC you don't have to pay for.
Are they catchable in non-DLC areas?
Yes. By using the GTS in HOME or by joining the raids from the online portal. You're not very smart, are you?
>By using the GTS in HOME or by joining the raids
So there's none.
And don't even pretend raids are a thing, they are completely randomized and there's no way to search for a specific one.
I just don't understand why Pokegays have such atrocious standards, you just justify absolutely everything.
You're right, BW has a dex cut because you can't catch Pikachu in the game without paying.
5 months ago
Anonymous
Actually yes, all Pokemons should be catchable in every game without relying on events or trading or anything.
Only one that did this properly was PLA, and even that one suffers from the dexcut anyway.
>now make it 150 Geodude over the course of the entire game
No I don't think I will. See I actually play games instead of spamming genwar memes. >When the other one is drastically better
Palace is the worst facility ever so I don't know about "drastically". >Platinum's BF is so shit that even the Battle Maison outclasses it
Maison has the Factory? Where? >The game doesn't make these other aspects relevant
Not an argument. You are arguing this game is absolutely worse than everything else, you better make a proper analysis I can't poke holes through. I play Pokemon to raise Pokemon and you're failing at telling me how Platinum is the worst game for training when I've had worse experiences in other games. >In Gen 1-3 they did.
Wrong. Pokemon's puzzles never last long and they aren't even that common really, you're acting like you're playing Zelda. >Yeah, instead it just makes it incredibly tedious and annoying to play without thm.
Stop being bad at the game. You don't even need Flash in Gen 1's Rock Tunnel which lasts longer than any of DPPT's Flash or Defog segments. >The guy who cares about being a strong battler should know who the strongest battler in the region is, yes.
Again, it's a very quick comedic moment that's in line with his personality traits and it takes place after he was chasing after a terrorist bomber who clearly has all of his attention. If you can't explain how this scene harms the story then you're whining over nothing. >He didn't have to hand you a free Master Ball
The one he was never going to use and only hands you out of respect? >and tell you where the legendaries are
The final hallway in the last room, what a big secret. You going to b***h about the Rockets giving you the passwords in Gen 2 also?
>No I don't think I will.
Yeah, because you don't actually care about judging your shitty games objectively and just want to endlessly suck its wiener.
>Palace is the worst facility ever
So that magically justifies Platinum having less content and multiple shitty facilities?
>Maison has the Factory? Where?
Platinum's BF has Triple and Rotation battles? Where?
>you better make a proper analysis I can't poke holes through
I did, because you haven't poked any holes in it so far.
>I play Pokemon to raise Pokemon
Then why is the raising Pokemon aspect of the game absolute dogshit?
>Wrong.
Not wrong.
>Pokemon's puzzles never last long
You know what makes them even less long? Not putting them in the game.
>Stop being bad at the game.
Stop defending shitty game design.
>Again, it's a very quick comedic moment
That "quick comedic moment" establishes he's either a complete moron I shouldn't bother taking remotely seriously, or the game's worldbuilding is so shit that somehow no one knows who the champion in is. Both options are bad writing.
>The one he was never going to use
Why would he assume he's never going to use it unless he's a complete moron? Why would he have respect when his entire character is about not believing in emotion?
>The final hallway in the last room, what a big secret
Which he didn't have to tell you or could have kept secure, yes.
5 months ago
Anonymous
>Yeah, because you don't actually care about judging your shitty games objectively
I played Platinum.
I did not encounter 150 Geodude.
What more do you want from me? >So that magically justifies Platinum having less content and multiple shitty facilities?
It means that Platinum's Frontier does not have the worst battle facility ever made. >Platinum's BF has Triple and Rotation battles?
No schizo I don't think Triple or Rotation battles are better than the whole Battle Factory and I doubt you do too. >Then why is the raising Pokemon aspect of the game absolute dogshit?
How? VS Seeker makes rotating Pokemon very easy, Lucky Eggs are easy to farm, some evolutionary items are easy to thief, the Game Corner has great TMs that are easy to farm, and Platinum's move tutor isn't postgame. This is far from being the absolute worst teambuilding experience. >You know what makes them even less long? Not putting them in the game.
Uh sure? I think you're losing it friend. >Stop defending shitty game design.
But it is a skill issue. You think something is required and as someone who played the game multiple times I can tell you it's not. >That "quick comedic moment" establishes he's either a complete moron I shouldn't bother taking remotely seriously
You mean a comedic relief character? >Why would he assume he's never going to use it unless he's a complete moron?
Pokeballs weaken the power of the legendaries, some of his notes say so. >Why would he have respect when his entire character is about not believing in emotion?
Specifically he rewards the player for their bravery and strength. While he believes emotions to be wasteful, these traits are needed for any kind of moment. Traits he demonstrates by leading Team Galactic. Traits he would have to value on some level. >Which he didn't have to tell you
There is literally only one last place to check. >could have kept secure, yes.
More secure how? Might as well ask why he doesn't carry a handgun.
There are people have the audacity to call SV good and SWSH bad at the same time even though it didn't fix any of SWSH's flaws. morons must just think >it has le open world meme so it's automatically good!
and ignore every other aspect
Honestly, I'm not sure I even dislike it. After all, I arguably have more playtime in Shield that gens 7 and 9 combined. It's so bad it's almost good. Also yeah, dexcutters are absolutely obsessed. GF cut content all the way back in gen 3 and effectively gated a third of the dex during gens 6 and 7, not just why gen 8 got the most hate just because they took one step further.
as somebody who enjoyed BW2, ORAS, and USUM, I don't understand why you feel the need to divide gen 7 from 5 and 6. those games are all pretty similar to each other. i also don't think it's fair to SV, a game that doesn't even have any battle facilities or an option to turn off EXP in the same tier as SM and USUM. can you explain please? but putting that aisde i do agree that the switch games are bad
>I don't understand why you feel the need to divide gen 7 from 5 and 6. those games are all pretty similar to each other.
Gen 7 was when the handholding, "cinematics" and gameplay in general became unbearable. Totem mons were miles easier than the already-gimped gyms from 5 and 6. I beat the champ in SM and USUM 10 levels under, no switching, with an all physical team and no team-spoiling. The story was a bit more enticing, but it didn't really break the stigma of Pokemon stories just being filler, and it certainly didn't justify all those boring cutscenes eating into my time. >i also don't think it's fair to SV, a game that doesn't even have any battle facilities or an option to turn off EXP in the same tier as SM and USUM.
At least gen 9 let me run to the hills and fight whatever the frick I wanted to after the school stuff. Don't think I fought a single gym after the first three until my team was lvl. 50. If it wasn't for that, I would definitely rank it below gen 7.
When you have that many nitpicks you have a point.
I will save you the time and tell you my favorite gen was 4 despite most of those gripes being reasonable.
>When you have that many nitpicks you have a point.
That's not how that works, especially not regarding the "points" that guy made. If that was actually the case, people with ADHD would be incapable of enjoying anything outside sandbox games.
>Totem mons were miles easier
thanks for letting us know you're a disingenuous moron who doesn't actually care about judging the games objectively and just wants to endlessly guzzle sinnoh's wiener.
Please tell me you didn't actually struggle with those Pokémon. You can literally just throw in a tank at the front of your party, spam your strongest move, and go unchallenged most of the time.
>Please tell me you didn't actually struggle with those Pokémon
Please tell me you didn't actually struggle with anything in the fricking DS games when you can literally just mash A with one Pokemon while barely paying attention to win literally every fight.
5 months ago
Anonymous
I mean, at least you'll actually get punished for using something weak to your opponents' attacks in the older games. Half the time I was at a type disadvantage in gen 7 and won anyway.
5 months ago
Anonymous
>I mean, at least you'll actually get punished for using something weak to your opponents' attacks in the older games
yeah bro look at how punished my haxorus is for being weak to ice types I definitely didn't just outspeed and 1hko it by mashing A
>don’t prepare for encounter >also win
5 months ago
Anonymous
>10 levels over
Maybe I didn't make myself clear the first time, but I was UNDERleveled when I curbstomped those totem Pokémon, just like the champ.
There's no reason to have any dexcuts.
Well, there is, that they want to sell you the missing Pokemon as DLC.
This is why the Switch games are all a scam.
5 months ago
Anonymous
>Well, there is, that they want to sell you the missing Pokemon as DLC.
The Pokemon are free even with the DLC. They're literally the only parts of the DLC you don't have to pay for.
You sure are desperate to get people to care about Volbeat, huh?
5 months ago
Anonymous
>The Pokemon are free even with the DLC. They're literally the only parts of the DLC you don't have to pay for.
Are they catchable in non-DLC areas?
5 months ago
Anonymous
>You sure are desperate to get people to care about Volbeat, huh?
How can people say this when the generation that introduced the dexcut was one made up entirely of useless shitmons?
Seriously, Galar felt like the second coming of Johto in how every damn Pokemon sucked and how tiny the region was, only thing it needed was babymons.
as somebody who enjoyed BW2, ORAS, and USUM, I don't understand why you feel the need to divide gen 7 from 5 and 6. those games are all pretty similar to each other. i also don't think it's fair to SV, a game that doesn't even have any battle facilities or an option to turn off EXP in the same tier as SM and USUM. can you explain please? but putting that aisde i do agree that the switch games are bad
I'd love to see some battling set in a sports arena with a full announcer and good animations, with different tournament styles, some mini games, a gym leader castle, and rental pokemon
Why do normalgays give Game Freak a pass for releasing janky rushed Pokemon games but shit on Sonic Team for the same thing? It's just pure hypocrisy, it suddenly becomes OK when it happens to their favorite franchise.
None, Pokemon is a legitimately horrible franchise with zero redeemable values.
The monsters are atrocious and took them almost a decade for them to make me realize what the frick I was looking at, the combat system has zero depth and the amount of RNG involved in it is ridiculous.
Not to mention it's several steps behind pretty much every single RPG and open world game.
Hell, don't the games still not even have VAs despite having real time cutscenes?
Is it smart the fact that they can barely make games anymore, that everyone mogs them and that at this point Pokemon has the production values of a Skyrim mod?
Scarlet and Violet
fpbp
>What was the last good Pokemon game?
Unironically
Pokemon hasn't fallen off. It's true every entry stumbles in some way, but the gameplay hasn't been affected at all. SV's DLC even has some of Pokemon's finest battles and the remixed Unova battle theme is excellent.
>rival battles you can only do once
>they're likely 10+ levels under you anyway so there's no challenge
Doesn't also help that you NEED to buy the expansion just to get an "ok" experience, and applauding music is like praising every game for having online, it doesn't count as a bonus.
SV are terrible games with somehow LESS content than SwSh, with the added benefit of now severe performance issues, something that will he a new reoccurring problem with the series because Gamefreak can't code.
>I-IT’S NOT CHALLENGING!!!
…yeah? And?
You're right I was being generous. There's actually negative challenge, which has been an issue since LGPE, and continually making your baby franchise easier isn't a good thing. Imagine all the work that could had went into fixing the shit frame rate if it wasn't wasted on competitive sets that get blown the frick out by mons 10+ levels over anyway.
>and continually making your baby franchise easier
The newer games are harder though.
You can catch 6 random mons and have them drastically outlevel the content without ever letting them participate. There aren't anymore trainer gauntlets, there's a full heal around every corner, most mons have omni coverage and goofy high BSTs, and there's been a shitty anime mechanic only you can truly break open included in every game since XY.
Games have never been easier.
>You can catch 6 random mons and have them drastically outlevel the content without ever letting them participate. There aren't anymore trainer gauntlets, there's a full heal around every corner, most mons have omni coverage and goofy high BSTs,
so....like BW2?
>Pokemon hasn't fallen off
Is this the part where we pretend FRLG or Gen 5 had a BF?
>FRLG
BF didn't exist until the next game
>Gen 5
Never got a BF but the PWT was a cool fanservicey alternative
>but the PWT was a cool fanservicey alternative
no it wasn't
the maison is unironically better
>"The Battle Frontier Project Has Started!"
I stopped buying pokemon games after reading this. The fricking phrase is going to live rent free in my head for the rest of my life
>this image is now as old as Emerald was when it was taken
Scarlet is so fricking bad. There's literally zero difficulty. I'm watching my niece play and my god I have never seen an easier game. She went into the battle with Iron Treads underleveld, and I start to think, is this finally going to pose a little difficulty to an 8 year old girl? Nope, she barely even hit the thing but Arven absolutely demolished it for her. She could have not attacked once and "won" the fight. I know these games are made for kids, but even by that standard they're too easy.
>There's literally zero difficulty.
How did you beat Eri first?
>Pokemon hasn't fallen off.
He's right though, Pokemon has always been bad but you autistic manchildren aren't ready for that discussion.
no anon you don't understand the older games were masterpieces that had great gameplay
>prepare for an encounter
>win
woah...
>don’t prepare for encounter
>also win
the sprites in this game look so fricking ugly wtf
>scree cap
>no victory
>probably cheated and started with an axew anyway
You didn't beat the game.
>y-you had to cheat to outspeed and 1HKO this shitmon that’s 10 levels under and has no EVs
LMAO unovagays are the most delusional morons I’ve ever seen
Unovabortion anon? Are you okay?
luv me mons
simple as
The old games were too simple, but the basic foundation was good. It worked. The new games don't work, unless your goal is to play with friends or online.
>but the basic foundation was good. It worked.
It didn't fricking work, the god damn tutorial for the first two game completely fricking broke them. The hell do you mean it worked.
>The new games don't work,
Yes they do
the new games "work"
fippybippy
I’m glad pokemon finally recovered from being linear idle game tier dogshit after gen 5 ruined it
I 100% the Scarlet dex and enjoyed my time with it, I just really wish the game wasn't so ugly and actually ran well. I understand the Switch is underpowered but DQ11 looks better, SMTV looks better, fricking Fortnite looks better. Even PLA and LGPE look better. I don't mind the new designs, the battles were fun, and the story was there (which can't be said for most Pokemon games). For the love of God Gamefreak raise the budget or something
The budget is fine, the hardware is always going to hold Gamefreak back because they're not talented enough to optimize the game like DQ devs.
Nah, it sucks, it's just the girls are cute
>Stopped caring about series long ago
>Come back to find out you can now control Pokemon with the Synchro machine
>I finally get to play pokemon as I always wanted since I was a kid
Unironically kino
It's neat but you honestly can't do much beyond running around and fight other Pokemons
too bad there was never a spinoff much better than the mainline series that allowed you to do that
God I hope Platinum gets de-compiled so we can get it running on the BW engine but with ball changing, nature mints, and hyper training.
>god I hope Platinum gets decompiled so I can put into this engine that looks way fricking worse for no real reason
FINE, JUST FIX THE FRICKING GEN 4 GAME SPEED. HG/SS WOULD BE PERFECT IF THEY WEREN'T SO FRICKING SLOW COMPARED TO CRYSTAL.
You can fix that just by unlocking the FPS.
>This is a long established consensus
Among who? Zoomers on reddit?
>Among who? Zoomers on reddit?
Most hardcore fans of the series regardless of age demographic.
Zoomers are probably more biased towards Gen 6 and up in all likelihood.
>Most hardcore fans of the series
You mean the VGC players who play SV?
platinum/hgss aren't that fricking slow until you start doing the battle facilities and you start running into blisseys. you people are such homosexuals
>for no real reason
Gen 4 runs like molasses through a straw
there's already a guy remaking platinum with BW assets, silast, he's been working on it steadily for a few years now
>someone spent years just to make Platinum look worse
Unovagays truly are something else
Just play PokeMMO at that point
For me Crystal. But you could make the argument for gen 4 only because of the physical special split.
Gen 5, B2W2.
This is a long established consensus within the hardcore fandom. Anyone who disagrees is moronic or a Game freak wienersucker (e.g. Joe Merrick)
This, but also accept HGSS
Any other answer is pure trash
I think romhacks fixed this issue already
BW2
Platinum/HGSS
gen 5 sucked donkey dicks
BW2, the last time any effort was put in.
Then why does it have drastically less effort than XY?
get a life already yawngay
what is this image meant to convey
Both games use the same sprite? I don't get why it's a problem because iirc all of the games do this between main games -> sisters/sequels
SWSH
My homie
black/white 2. pokemon turned to shit once it went 3D and the switch games are fricking god awful, poorly optimized, piss easy, braindead shit i have ever seen. ppl who pay a premium $60 for that slop have no will power and are man children.
>pokemon turned to shit once it went 3D
true
the famously beloved water portion of the Hoenn games
Finally an anon that speaks the language of gods
BDSP and Arceus were good. before that it was BW2
what's the appeal of PLA aside from dropping the two versions and trading bullshit?
fun controls, cool pokemon selection, great soundtrack, and if you're a loregay like me then you'll be shitting yourself the whole time from all the callbacks
bw2
they followed the only other time pkmn games were good, bw
Arceus is good
Not great, but good
It's got everything you'd want in a Pokemon game. A focus on catching them all, side quests, special pokemon to catch (alphas), less wasted time, somewhat likeable characters. It's just held back by the horrific graphics/animations.
heartgold and soulsilver
name a game with both (A) most recent features and (B) two regions
not to mention that it's compatible with an entirely different system/gen(s) via pal park without any wifi internet bullshit
>name a game with both (A) most recent features and (B) two regions
SV, funnily enough
I liked New Snap.
No, but it was the peak of the franchise.
The last good one was Legends: Arceus.
No it's not good.
Legends Arceus. But if we're talking main series, it's Ultra Sun/Moon.
every mon besides haxorus, and rotom are shitmons
I still love my homie Quagsire though.
your kind is welcome at my birthday parties
BW2. Honestly between PLT, HGSS, FRLG and Emerald you have all the best games covered.
>why yes I am a zoomer how could you tell?
>that genuine moron with his head so far up his own ass he thinks the genwun games were good
How do I make the modern games challenging without resorting to Nuzlock?
USUM, BDSP, PLA, and SV's DLC are the hardest games in the series, unironically. You just don't notice because your brain equates difficulty with spending hours grinding against shitmons in the grass.
Unironically, it was Pokemon Gold.
Gold and Silver were the only good Pokemon games.
yes, pretty much every other pokemon game felt like simple iteration rather than being an improvement.
ultra sun & ultra moon, although x & y were better. the pokemon games on the switch are too bland, the ones on 3DS had way more content
>USUM
What are your thoughts on the story changes? seems like the main issue people have compared to the original versions.
i can understand why somebody wouldn't like them but that's pretty much the only thing SM has over USUM. i wouldn't be able to go back to SM because it's missing move tutors and such
controversial choice but i'm going to have to go with USUM. it was the last game that had every single pokemon and move that existed at the time before lamefreak decided to wiener block players from using whatever mon with whatever move they wanted. cutting moves like Aromatherapy, Pursuit and Signal Beam is just gay. i also liked Battles Royales and Totem Pokemon. cities like Malie and Kau'oli have good night time music
>Scarlet and Violet
FPWP
also your samegayging is obvious
those are the worst games in the series right now
Gen 4 was obviously the line in the sand, but I can understand why people liked 5 and/or 6. Gen 7, 8 and 9 defenders (including the ones in this thread) are part of the reason I don't go on /vp/ anymore.
>DPPt
>great
lmao
I remember that thread vividly, that was just a lunatic scrawling dozens of nitpicks he had with the game. HMs were hardly a nuisance for anyone with more than a baby's attention span.
You're not gonna convince me the new ones are any better that way.
>You're not gonna convince me the new ones are any better that way.
I'm not going to convince a brick wall regardless.
When you have that many nitpicks you have a point.
I will save you the time and tell you my favorite gen was 4 despite most of those gripes being reasonable.
jesus christ get a fricking job yawny
Exaggerates nothingburgers (is that a Geodude I'm going insane!!!), tries to dismiss the Frontier as fast as possible despite it being the only other Frontier in Pokemon so his attempt at proving Platinum is awful in metric has already failed, surface level analysis of teambuilding only going as far as mon availability without discussing other aspects like training or moveset customization, thinks Gamefreak cares about puzzles when they rehashed the same ice gimmick for multiple gens, actually thinks the game requires Flash and Defog, story part is just more nothingburgers or just outright being incorrect (thinks a comedic moment where the impatient spaz barely pays attention to the champion is broken worldbuilding, thinks Cyrus just lets you free the legendaries when you fought though the base and defeated him first before he had an opportunity to dispose of them, and Saturn still tries to stop you when you reach the legendaries).
>is that a Geodude I'm going insane
now make it 150 Geodude over the course of the entire game that interrupt you for 15 seconds every 5 steps
>only other Frontier
When the other one is drastically better, and Platinum's BF is so shit that even the Battle Maison outclasses it, then yes, it's awful.
>without discussing other aspects like training or moveset customization
The game doesn't make these other aspects relevant because the campaign has toddler level difficulty and the postgame has such dogshit QoL it's barely even worth doing.
>thinks Gamefreak cares about puzzles
In Gen 1-3 they did. DPPt has drastically shittier quality so they did stop caring about puzzles in DPPt.
>actually thinks the game requires Flash and Defog
Yeah, instead it just makes it incredibly tedious and annoying to play without thm.
>thinks a comedic moment where the impatient spaz barely pays attention to the champion is broken worldbuilding
The guy who cares about being a strong battler should know who the strongest battler in the region is, yes.
>thinks Cyrus just lets you free the legendaries when you fought though the base and defeated him first before he had an opportunity to dispose of them
He didn't have to hand you a free Master Ball and tell you where the legendaries are but he did anyway because he's a complete moron who doesn't know how to plan.
Yes. By using the GTS in HOME or by joining the raids from the online portal. You're not very smart, are you?
>By using the GTS in HOME or by joining the raids
So there's none.
And don't even pretend raids are a thing, they are completely randomized and there's no way to search for a specific one.
I just don't understand why Pokegays have such atrocious standards, you just justify absolutely everything.
You're right, BW has a dex cut because you can't catch Pikachu in the game without paying.
Actually yes, all Pokemons should be catchable in every game without relying on events or trading or anything.
Only one that did this properly was PLA, and even that one suffers from the dexcut anyway.
>now make it 150 Geodude over the course of the entire game
No I don't think I will. See I actually play games instead of spamming genwar memes.
>When the other one is drastically better
Palace is the worst facility ever so I don't know about "drastically".
>Platinum's BF is so shit that even the Battle Maison outclasses it
Maison has the Factory? Where?
>The game doesn't make these other aspects relevant
Not an argument. You are arguing this game is absolutely worse than everything else, you better make a proper analysis I can't poke holes through. I play Pokemon to raise Pokemon and you're failing at telling me how Platinum is the worst game for training when I've had worse experiences in other games.
>In Gen 1-3 they did.
Wrong. Pokemon's puzzles never last long and they aren't even that common really, you're acting like you're playing Zelda.
>Yeah, instead it just makes it incredibly tedious and annoying to play without thm.
Stop being bad at the game. You don't even need Flash in Gen 1's Rock Tunnel which lasts longer than any of DPPT's Flash or Defog segments.
>The guy who cares about being a strong battler should know who the strongest battler in the region is, yes.
Again, it's a very quick comedic moment that's in line with his personality traits and it takes place after he was chasing after a terrorist bomber who clearly has all of his attention. If you can't explain how this scene harms the story then you're whining over nothing.
>He didn't have to hand you a free Master Ball
The one he was never going to use and only hands you out of respect?
>and tell you where the legendaries are
The final hallway in the last room, what a big secret. You going to b***h about the Rockets giving you the passwords in Gen 2 also?
>No I don't think I will.
Yeah, because you don't actually care about judging your shitty games objectively and just want to endlessly suck its wiener.
>Palace is the worst facility ever
So that magically justifies Platinum having less content and multiple shitty facilities?
>Maison has the Factory? Where?
Platinum's BF has Triple and Rotation battles? Where?
>you better make a proper analysis I can't poke holes through
I did, because you haven't poked any holes in it so far.
>I play Pokemon to raise Pokemon
Then why is the raising Pokemon aspect of the game absolute dogshit?
>Wrong.
Not wrong.
>Pokemon's puzzles never last long
You know what makes them even less long? Not putting them in the game.
>Stop being bad at the game.
Stop defending shitty game design.
>Again, it's a very quick comedic moment
That "quick comedic moment" establishes he's either a complete moron I shouldn't bother taking remotely seriously, or the game's worldbuilding is so shit that somehow no one knows who the champion in is. Both options are bad writing.
>The one he was never going to use
Why would he assume he's never going to use it unless he's a complete moron? Why would he have respect when his entire character is about not believing in emotion?
>The final hallway in the last room, what a big secret
Which he didn't have to tell you or could have kept secure, yes.
>Yeah, because you don't actually care about judging your shitty games objectively
I played Platinum.
I did not encounter 150 Geodude.
What more do you want from me?
>So that magically justifies Platinum having less content and multiple shitty facilities?
It means that Platinum's Frontier does not have the worst battle facility ever made.
>Platinum's BF has Triple and Rotation battles?
No schizo I don't think Triple or Rotation battles are better than the whole Battle Factory and I doubt you do too.
>Then why is the raising Pokemon aspect of the game absolute dogshit?
How? VS Seeker makes rotating Pokemon very easy, Lucky Eggs are easy to farm, some evolutionary items are easy to thief, the Game Corner has great TMs that are easy to farm, and Platinum's move tutor isn't postgame. This is far from being the absolute worst teambuilding experience.
>You know what makes them even less long? Not putting them in the game.
Uh sure? I think you're losing it friend.
>Stop defending shitty game design.
But it is a skill issue. You think something is required and as someone who played the game multiple times I can tell you it's not.
>That "quick comedic moment" establishes he's either a complete moron I shouldn't bother taking remotely seriously
You mean a comedic relief character?
>Why would he assume he's never going to use it unless he's a complete moron?
Pokeballs weaken the power of the legendaries, some of his notes say so.
>Why would he have respect when his entire character is about not believing in emotion?
Specifically he rewards the player for their bravery and strength. While he believes emotions to be wasteful, these traits are needed for any kind of moment. Traits he demonstrates by leading Team Galactic. Traits he would have to value on some level.
>Which he didn't have to tell you
There is literally only one last place to check.
>could have kept secure, yes.
More secure how? Might as well ask why he doesn't carry a handgun.
This shit is just nostalgia: the post.
>SV over SwSh
Why? I swear SwSh gets hated way too much because of the dexcut. Plus it has more content than SV and it's DLC.
There are people have the audacity to call SV good and SWSH bad at the same time even though it didn't fix any of SWSH's flaws. morons must just think
>it has le open world meme so it's automatically good!
and ignore every other aspect
Honestly, I'm not sure I even dislike it. After all, I arguably have more playtime in Shield that gens 7 and 9 combined. It's so bad it's almost good. Also yeah, dexcutters are absolutely obsessed. GF cut content all the way back in gen 3 and effectively gated a third of the dex during gens 6 and 7, not just why gen 8 got the most hate just because they took one step further.
>I don't understand why you feel the need to divide gen 7 from 5 and 6. those games are all pretty similar to each other.
Gen 7 was when the handholding, "cinematics" and gameplay in general became unbearable. Totem mons were miles easier than the already-gimped gyms from 5 and 6. I beat the champ in SM and USUM 10 levels under, no switching, with an all physical team and no team-spoiling. The story was a bit more enticing, but it didn't really break the stigma of Pokemon stories just being filler, and it certainly didn't justify all those boring cutscenes eating into my time.
>i also don't think it's fair to SV, a game that doesn't even have any battle facilities or an option to turn off EXP in the same tier as SM and USUM.
At least gen 9 let me run to the hills and fight whatever the frick I wanted to after the school stuff. Don't think I fought a single gym after the first three until my team was lvl. 50. If it wasn't for that, I would definitely rank it below gen 7.
>When you have that many nitpicks you have a point.
That's not how that works, especially not regarding the "points" that guy made. If that was actually the case, people with ADHD would be incapable of enjoying anything outside sandbox games.
>Totem mons were miles easier
thanks for letting us know you're a disingenuous moron who doesn't actually care about judging the games objectively and just wants to endlessly guzzle sinnoh's wiener.
Please tell me you didn't actually struggle with those Pokémon. You can literally just throw in a tank at the front of your party, spam your strongest move, and go unchallenged most of the time.
>Please tell me you didn't actually struggle with those Pokémon
Please tell me you didn't actually struggle with anything in the fricking DS games when you can literally just mash A with one Pokemon while barely paying attention to win literally every fight.
I mean, at least you'll actually get punished for using something weak to your opponents' attacks in the older games. Half the time I was at a type disadvantage in gen 7 and won anyway.
>I mean, at least you'll actually get punished for using something weak to your opponents' attacks in the older games
yeah bro look at how punished my haxorus is for being weak to ice types I definitely didn't just outspeed and 1hko it by mashing A
>10 levels over
Maybe I didn't make myself clear the first time, but I was UNDERleveled when I curbstomped those totem Pokémon, just like the champ.
It's like genwars are your entire life, why are you so heated all the time?
The dexcut symbolizes the ultimate death of Pokemon.
BDSP, SV and PLA are just zombies.
>WAAAAAAAAH VOLBEAT ISN'T IN THE GAME
DPPt is more of a zombie Pokemon game than PLA will ever be.
>Lopunny isn’t in shitvomit
genuinely unplayable yep
There's no reason to have any dexcuts.
Well, there is, that they want to sell you the missing Pokemon as DLC.
This is why the Switch games are all a scam.
>Well, there is, that they want to sell you the missing Pokemon as DLC.
The Pokemon are free even with the DLC. They're literally the only parts of the DLC you don't have to pay for.
You sure are desperate to get people to care about Volbeat, huh?
>The Pokemon are free even with the DLC. They're literally the only parts of the DLC you don't have to pay for.
Are they catchable in non-DLC areas?
>You sure are desperate to get people to care about Volbeat, huh?
How can people say this when the generation that introduced the dexcut was one made up entirely of useless shitmons?
Seriously, Galar felt like the second coming of Johto in how every damn Pokemon sucked and how tiny the region was, only thing it needed was babymons.
as somebody who enjoyed BW2, ORAS, and USUM, I don't understand why you feel the need to divide gen 7 from 5 and 6. those games are all pretty similar to each other. i also don't think it's fair to SV, a game that doesn't even have any battle facilities or an option to turn off EXP in the same tier as SM and USUM. can you explain please? but putting that aisde i do agree that the switch games are bad
I only played it on Yuzu, but I like Arceus.
>pokemon stadium 2 was 40 years ago
I'd love to see some battling set in a sports arena with a full announcer and good animations, with different tournament styles, some mini games, a gym leader castle, and rental pokemon
Arceus is the only good Pokemon game released since 2012
I hear it's actually BW2 but I never played the sequels. I heard they changed the plot so I'm pretty sure BW1's story shits on it all day.
What other Pokemon game only lets you capture/fight native region Pokemon and also has a Cynthia jumpscare in a random house!?
Man I need to play 2
Explorers.
You posted it.
yawngay walked in on his mom getting railed by a fatguy wearing a piplup t-shirt. no other way he could be this obsessed with sinnoh
Why do normalgays give Game Freak a pass for releasing janky rushed Pokemon games but shit on Sonic Team for the same thing? It's just pure hypocrisy, it suddenly becomes OK when it happens to their favorite franchise.
Normalgays don't care about Sonic.
None, Pokemon is a legitimately horrible franchise with zero redeemable values.
The monsters are atrocious and took them almost a decade for them to make me realize what the frick I was looking at, the combat system has zero depth and the amount of RNG involved in it is ridiculous.
Not to mention it's several steps behind pretty much every single RPG and open world game.
Hell, don't the games still not even have VAs despite having real time cutscenes?
>Hell, don't the games still not even have VAs
Yes, thankfully Game Freak did one smart thing.
Is it smart the fact that they can barely make games anymore, that everyone mogs them and that at this point Pokemon has the production values of a Skyrim mod?
That's insulting to Skyrim mods.
Pokemon has the production values of a failing college student's first class project.
>That's insulting to Skyrim mods
Good, I have yet to find a single good one beyond SkyUI.
>Is it smart the fact that they can barely make games anymore
No, it's smart the fact that they didn't waste time putting voice acting into the games.
It wouldn't be so bad if they didn't go out of their way to have real time cutscenes that are even lip-synced to dialogue that doesn't exist.
>I can't use my brain so that means it's bad!
No, it's bad because their games are the most underdeveloped of all big franchises in games.
>it's underdeveloped because voice actors aren't reading for me
Yes.
Emerald.
SV is the best one due to hypnokino
Is it hypno if Penny is still aware and dead inside?
was there a fricking leak? what are these from?
Platinum because it's the only one I played and it was good
Pokemon Sun/Moon