You don’t actually think that, do you?
Is it not all chiptune-esc doots and dats that redditors and middleschool anti-socials hail as the pinnacle of gaming music? Sell me on it.
All of the major battle themes are undoubtedly chiptune-esc, which are the things that get the most praise in the soundtrack. I guess the area-specific themes don’t necessarily count, but to say that they are “underrated” and not shilled to Rick Roll levels of annoyance, is completely bullshit
2 years ago
Anonymous
>shilled
2 years ago
Anonymous
What of it, moron
2 years ago
Anonymous
That is a completely bizarre choice of word in relation to a game that's currently free
2 years ago
Anonymous
It doesn’t have to be a costly game to attract people into listening to the soundtrack on a streaming service, which brings money but that’s besides the point I was making in saying that. You’re deflecting.
2 years ago
Anonymous
I was gonna type out a flabbergasted question about what I was deflecting from but I'll settle for calling you an idiot for getting into pointless arguments
2 years ago
Anonymous
I would be more than okay with talking to you about that, but that’s fine if you have something better to do. You were deflecting by focusing on my word choice as opposed to what I was saying about the music being overrated because you thought that somehow it currently being a free game implied that it was incapable of being by definition shilled, which if that were the case wouldn’t be as highly mentioned as it was, even on here as the best part of the game.
2 years ago
Anonymous
I would be more than okay with talking to you about that, but that’s fine if you have something better to do. You were deflecting by focusing on my word choice as opposed to what I was saying about the music being overrated because you thought that somehow it currently being a free game implied that it was incapable of being by definition shilled, which if that were the case wouldn’t be as highly mentioned as it was, even on here as the best part of the game.
Jesus fricking Christ frick off with your moronic r*ddit tier argument
Eat a wiener then kys, nobody fricking cares
Given how so many antagonists in the series are written to really just be misunderstood and fundamentally "good", I think Spamton stands out as fairly unique for being pretty realistically evil in spite of being sympathetic. His life came crashing down and he was (possibly?) confronted with some deep knowledge about his nature, and he decides to either facilitate or commit mass murder (he knew the body was "workout ready") in response, probably out of desperation.
Also he's funny and probably hints at the underlying plot.
specifically the music is great, the gameplay mechanics and the graphics are a step up from undertale.
So far I'm not sold on the writing, it doesn't really have the same impact as undertale this far at least. But in later chapters I might change my mind.
That being said, the first chapter of undertale is way better than deltarune so far.
90% of deltarune so far feels like a bunch of filler episodes on a tv show, a thing undertale didn't really have; my casual playthrough of chapter 1 and 2 took longer than the whole of undertale for instance
yes, it feels like there's just been a lot of throwaway characters, especially in chapter 1. It makes sense to establish kris, susie, ralsei as characters, but it spends a long time on characters like lancer who doesn't seem like he'll be very important going forward.
At the current pace, the cast is going to be way more bloated compared to undertale.
also I miss flowey, having him be the first introduction to the game gave it a much different atmosphere, it was always tense when he came up, knowing he was around somewhere. There's no killing toriel and going back moment, something else that worked really well.
I bet once he considered monster dating he thought "hey wouldn't it be funny to date a skeleton? Guess I should make them likable enough to date". I bet papy would have looked good with a pinstripe suit + Tommy gun thou
Given that neckbeard fedora people are sort of a relic of the 2010s at this point, I doubt this version of Papyrus will happen even if you discard Toby saying he's "so glad" he changed him.
I do hope he's different from UT Papyrus though, just not completely so.
>built enough game dev experience to begin tackling his dream game >collaborated with others >episodic releases instead of building one huge game that may or may not ever finish due to expanding complexity and feature creep.
It also gets people talking and brings in attention every time one is released.
LOL not even mentioning the sans voice sample or how Flowey's theme is a reference to the FUN song.
Everything with sans paps and undyne follow very closely to the patrick, spongebob sandy dynamic too with lazy slob, naive goofball, and tomboy out of her element.
Nothing. It feels like a crappy undertale fanfic with none of the impact but all Toby has to do is make up some meme characters and a secret route and his fans will eat that shit up.
toby's games are kinda incredible because they tend to be loud in the main channel but have a lot more under the hood once you take the time to pick it apart.
it gives it the ability to pull in new players on a dime with the explicit accessible gameplay and refreshing characters while the implicit nuance gives UT and DR more than enough to keep fans talking about every little detail for extended periods of time.
Reminder that if you killed toriel and went back you fundamentally failed at the game
The frog fricking tells you that you can spare those who fight on
I never killed toriel because I instantly saw through the obvious gamey mechanic of npc telling you the gimmick of the boss
Fail harder larping gays
the tuTORIEL is meant to teach you how to play the game
messing up in the tutorial isn't a failure, especially when the game then reminds you that you can go back and fix it.
>you can go back and fix it
Congratulations you missed the entire fricking point of the narrative moron
Also messing up at the tutorial (it isn't a tutorial but ok) is the definition of failure
How does it mean to be an utter and complete r*ddit tier failure, gay?
>Congratulations you missed the entire fricking point of the narrative moron
dude that's the entire fricking point of the narrative. It's teaching you that you can go back, that saving is something you should think about, and that it's meant to be part of the story. Killing toriel and going back is basically canon.
The mentality of a toddler who thinks he can bend reality to his will
I can't believe you're this fricking stupid
You're everything that the game went out of its way for to criticize and you STILL don't get it
Honestly at this point it isn't trolling anymore. You're literally this fricking dumb.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Fricking hell dude, chill the frick out it’s a bad game that was created for babies and YouTube reaction moments. I don’t like it either but you’re getting aggravated over something as moronic as that joke.
not really relevant
and stuff like the permanent genocide consequences, or flowey calling you out after reloading and not killing toriel is again meant to be a consequence of the canon ability to go back and reset your mistakes. If saving and reloading wasn't intended to be used, the idea of consequences for doing this would be meaningless. If it wasn't meant to be done as part of the player's canon actions, it would be pointless.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Refer to this
The mentality of a toddler who thinks he can bend reality to his will
I can't believe you're this fricking stupid
You're everything that the game went out of its way for to criticize and you STILL don't get it
Honestly at this point it isn't trolling anymore. You're literally this fricking dumb.
I can't believe that the people praising this game to all heights are nothing but a bunch of immature toddlers
Wow I might be having disillusionment here
It's official I now hate all undertalegays
2 years ago
Anonymous
based hatred.
The power fantasy and the value of the character's lives are largely incompatible which is why the genocide route is based
2 years ago
Anonymous
your perspective of the game would lead you to missing things like the genocide ending.
If you "succeeded" at the game, you wouldn't even be able to make this argument, because you'd have no idea that there were any consequences for doing things in the not good way.
It's ironic that your strong feelings about playing the game the "right" way are incompatible with even knowing that there's a wrong way to play it.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>you must sin irl to know that sin is wrong
??????????
And by the way YES I never did the genocide route because not doing it DESPITE HAVING THE CHOICE is the POINT
the fact that you have the option is what makes NOT doing it meaningful
Oh my god this world is fricking doomed
People are unironically idolizing flowey's attitude
I need a heavy glass of whiskey after this
Undertale has been ruined by morons and I will forever hate it
2 years ago
Anonymous
lmao go beat sans and come back, mr youtube playthrough >aaahhhh no undertale is ruined by people who actually played the game, unlike myself
2 years ago
Anonymous
I don't need to play a game to have an opinion on it.
2 years ago
Anonymous
2 years ago
Anonymous
your opinion is bad and you should feel bad
2 years ago
Anonymous
Sans literally rams the premise in your skull >the most determined thing you could do is to completely give up >if you're a friend you'll never come back
And no, I don't need to genocide. That's like saying you can't decide rape is wrong because you've never done it
Fricking moron
2 years ago
Anonymous
genocide is easily the best route though.
Also no it's more nuanced than that because it's DETERMINATION that even gets you that far to begin with. And Toby's even go so far to drive home the point that too much determination can be a bad thing.
2 years ago
Anonymous
It's obvious you have no fricking clue about the narrative structure of the game
And that probably extrapolates to any other gay fricking franchise you like
Turning it into an abomination of what you want it to be so that you don't have to face yourself
You're coping so fricking hard because you did the genocide run and deeply regret it. But you would rather adopt flowey's attitude rather than admit any failure of your judgement
Honestly sad
Just fricking sad
The game is all about leaving the cave (growing up) and facing the consequences
You have decided to remain a toddler forever
2 years ago
Anonymous
mald statlet, my numbers go up yet your playtime remains the same.I brought the true end of the story i wanted, you just walked along a path set for you to appease a vain sense of morality.
If you want to be a good person, dont play a fricking videogame to do it, go do good for the actual people in your life you egocentric sludge.
2 years ago
Anonymous
My pattern of behaviour remains consistent across different levels, being with my family, friends, and during these types of games, unlike you >after the true end flowey comes and begs you to leave them alone
The game narrative is against you, toddler. Cry and whine and seethe and cope and try to alter reality like Asriel all you want. You're a failure. Everyone knows you're a failure
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Flowey begs to not get his shit pushed in during the genocide route
The cope is unreal, you've lost yourself and lost your time to your self-serving bullshit instead of playing for the fun of it.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>doing fricked up shit is fun
you will be judged
2 years ago
Anonymous
The last thing I want in a game is to feel there's no consequence to my actions, good or bad. A story rigged to be happy or sad in the face of choice betrays the player.
2 years ago
Anonymous
how's that cognitive dissonance working out for you
2 years ago
Anonymous
mald statlet, my numbers go up yet your playtime remains the same.I brought the true end of the story i wanted, you just walked along a path set for you to appease a vain sense of morality.
If you want to be a good person, dont play a fricking videogame to do it, go do good for the actual people in your life you egocentric sludge.
you're both homosexuals genocide is the best route because it has good fights
2 years ago
Anonymous
i think the narrative that comes with the sans fight makes it one of the best fights in gaming for sure, and gameplay-wise it's great.
people tend to undervalue how good some of the other route fights are though.
2 years ago
Anonymous
true, mettaton is an excellent fight and it's a shame mettaton neo was just a lame joke instead of an actual battle
at least toby realized that and atoned by giving us spamton neo
2 years ago
Anonymous
NEO being easy was just so Hotland could be the ultimate filter in the route for moraltards
2 years ago
Anonymous
The point of Mettaton NEO being super easy is that he's the ultimate anti-human weapon, and by that point you're no longer human.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>atoned
you entitled little frick
die in a fire
2 years ago
Anonymous
>The game is all about leaving the cave (growing up) and facing the consequences
now that's a wild and hot take if I've ever seen one also not everything is a fricking allegory holy shit
2 years ago
Anonymous
literally everything is an allegory
or what, do you think caves with monsters in it really exist? >m-m-m-muh it's just a little story
the only way you can interpret it as being a story and having meaning in the first place is because you project that meaning onto it based on your real life experience
meaning, yes everything is literally an allegory
kys brainlet
2 years ago
Anonymous
not a damn thing you said even suggests it's actually an allegory, let alone the particular one you're trying to convince people of.
More people have cited evidence to point to Undertale being passage in the afterlife with the inclusion of the ferryman, a hooded skeleton, and the fact the fallen human is already dead.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>message of doom and gloom and you're fricking dead >message of starting a real life after being trapped in a dark place for an eternity, and understanding that you only did this because you took responsibility for your actions and chose to not frick everything up
hmm yea i think i know which one is the correct one
2 years ago
Anonymous
id say go play omori to fantasize about having friends you neet twat but it's clear you wouldnt even try going outside in real life.
2 years ago
Anonymous
lmao he's breaking down
take your meds schizo, unironically
2 years ago
Anonymous
>hasn't made an actual point in hours >projects again
here's your (you)
2 years ago
Anonymous
you can only pretend to keep it together for so long anon
you're losing it, get some help
2 years ago
Anonymous
You're not even doing it right KEK.
Any good bait is supposed to take stances that are increasingly polarizing to keep me mad instead of completely dropping the topic.
2 years ago
Anonymous
if it's so bad then why do i keep winning?
2 years ago
Anonymous
Better but this kinda bullshit works better in a smash thread or something where people tied their lives to shit they dont understand.
2 years ago
Anonymous
as someone who would rather play games than watch some idiot play through them: I think this is valid to a degree. feel free to "enjoy" a series you've never played, but you cannot and are not a fan on the same level as someone who has actually played the games
Seam isnt chill at all lmao.
And him being powerful isnt even subtle, he was the one to beat Jevil and makes the Dark Mantle for you. Also gives the lore on the dark crystals.
Spamton unironically redeemed Deltarune for me. After chapter 1 I though Deltarune was going to be boring as hell with flat characters like Jevil and King so I wasnt very interested. But when Spamton showed up and his story played out I was hooked. Toby has really made a fantastic antagonist.
Having played Undertale, Deltarune, and Omori, I can tell you that the humor of Fox's games is just completely superior to Omori's, which to my understanding is the second best Earthbound clone.
only a couple i havent played but yeah some really fantastic games.
All of them have at least on great aspect to their writing but nobody's autistically studied EB's styles as much as toby dog.
2 years ago
Anonymous
i'd argue jimmy gets closer to the specific 'Mother' feel, little kid in big adventure in absurd world with themes of familial support and growing up
2 years ago
Anonymous
Im very curious how well it might get the aesthetic as im not super familiar, but the way Toby Fox writes the characters and builds on itoi's game philosophies shine incredibly well.
In an interview, Earthbound was intended to be design in a way where just metagaming through it, you'd miss so much of the humor and subtlety behind the game's world and so much of the bigger picture. Toby amped this up to the point where entire story arcs are basically completely hidden from people who just want to "win", and there's so many tiny bits of exposition in so many facets of the game, from environment art, the tons of phone interactions, and npc dialogue that can only be seen at very specific times like in grillby's.
lisa the painful is pretty good, can be both dark and funny at times without it feeling forced
joyful on the other hand is a mixed bag, goes a little too hard with the edge but the final fight is a highlight
Comparing it to Undertale
+ >moment to moment gameplay is much better, areas in general have more to them and the fact we have access to superbosses without having to do something like genocide is great >there's going to be an actual build up for a story, Undertale's main events already happened, while in this I feel like we're going to experience it firsthand >the "routes" make more sense with their triggers, for example sparing or fighting jevil/spamton/king has no bearing on the chapter ending, if it were undertale killing 1 of those would ruin it forever
- >pacing of the game is way worse, in the same gametime of Deltarune we already beat a run of Undertale, as of right now we just finished the exposition since ch2 was also devoted to setting up characters for whatever reason >Music is a tad bit worse, something like Berdly's fight theme would have more to it if it were in Undertale >more throwaway moments, such as the robo trio or clover
a lot of it hinges on the payoff being worth it
why the hell would anyone say there's throwaway characters when Deltarune is still in the opening act and literally EVERYONE has new dialogue in Chapter 2
because it's the only one the developer feels a profound need to make exist anymore, while still having a profound experience with all the older games that came before.
how's that cognitive dissonance working out for you
CogDis is a piece of piss aside from the ideas involving Porky sadly =)
Once fully complete, Deltarune is easily going to be the game of the decade.
Then again, considering how sparce on outstanding games the last couple decades have been, it'd probably be more accurate to say it'll be the best game within 15-20 years of its release window.
for how long toby dog has been planning for it and how early it's been paying off in the chapters it's impressive.
I feel if it sticks the landing he planned, by that time he could actually change how the general populace views games as a whole.
How can Toby enhance the other souls for the future schizoboss fights? Yellow soul has big shots and is flipped sideways. What can Toby add to make the other souls as interesting?
People are fricking moronic and don't realize the green soul will be in chapter 3. Seam says you cannot win the fight without the shadow mantle, which could pretty much be the shield for the green soul. You cannot win the fight without being able to block the arrow attacks
Convinced by the update schedules that it's possibly the 3-5 release, even said he only released 2 on its own because of COVID
How can Toby enhance the other souls for the future schizoboss fights? Yellow soul has big shots and is flipped sideways. What can Toby add to make the other souls as interesting?
if you go by trends, purple soul may be next, and the way you could do that is by giving the player some loose kind of control in where the lines go.
yeah that's everyone's reactions but the entirety up to chapter 5 was 50% a good long while ago and each chapter was like 6 months of development, ending up like exactly before the anniversary.
We can't predict the scope he's going for still but it's not as crazy as people think.
Not 50% in actual proper development tho lol. In 2020, he had shit like backrounds and some music done for all the chapters. And the story
How complete the chapters are right now depends on whether Toby's team is split up and working on all chapters at the same time, or if theyre doing it one by one. I'd imagine that ch3 is finished, ch4 is nearing completion, and ch5 is in early development
green soul having deflection or something is actually a really fricking cool idea.
undyne literally gives you the spear multiple times and it's a shame you do so little with it
The pre-dev was actually very close to done though iirc, even back then.
It was also said that Chapter 2 was one of the longer chapters in terms of cinematics, meaning artdev, and between updates progressed through very quickly regardless even with his smaller team.
The only thing that might make the chapters come out noticeably longer if the TV ends up meaning to imply Everdraed's involvement and he's in control of his whole own Dark World segment.
naw it's a bit trickier, but you dont have to worry about the kills until after falling off the rollercoaster.
In some ways you might think it's a bit darker in tone but basically at first all you gotta do is defeat a ton of enemies with Ice Shock
Nothing.
The music is the only redeeming feature it has, I'm expecting something good with the continuation of that last theme in the future.
The music is overrated and formulaic to the point it just artificially tugs at the heartstrings without trying anything creative
The music is underrated.
You don’t actually think that, do you?
Is it not all chiptune-esc doots and dats that redditors and middleschool anti-socials hail as the pinnacle of gaming music? Sell me on it.
There's only like four chiptunes in the whole game. The Legend, Lancer's theme, and their remixes.
All of the major battle themes are undoubtedly chiptune-esc, which are the things that get the most praise in the soundtrack. I guess the area-specific themes don’t necessarily count, but to say that they are “underrated” and not shilled to Rick Roll levels of annoyance, is completely bullshit
>shilled
What of it, moron
That is a completely bizarre choice of word in relation to a game that's currently free
It doesn’t have to be a costly game to attract people into listening to the soundtrack on a streaming service, which brings money but that’s besides the point I was making in saying that. You’re deflecting.
I was gonna type out a flabbergasted question about what I was deflecting from but I'll settle for calling you an idiot for getting into pointless arguments
I would be more than okay with talking to you about that, but that’s fine if you have something better to do. You were deflecting by focusing on my word choice as opposed to what I was saying about the music being overrated because you thought that somehow it currently being a free game implied that it was incapable of being by definition shilled, which if that were the case wouldn’t be as highly mentioned as it was, even on here as the best part of the game.
Jesus fricking Christ frick off with your moronic r*ddit tier argument
Eat a wiener then kys, nobody fricking cares
You gotta admit that I was right tho
Chapter 2 went overboard with it. Queen’s theme, the Cyber City themes, a lot of minor encounter shit (like the dancing robot trio).
The chapter format
Schizo theories on what's gonna happen next run these threads
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Anime site
why is spamton the greatest?
Given how so many antagonists in the series are written to really just be misunderstood and fundamentally "good", I think Spamton stands out as fairly unique for being pretty realistically evil in spite of being sympathetic. His life came crashing down and he was (possibly?) confronted with some deep knowledge about his nature, and he decides to either facilitate or commit mass murder (he knew the body was "workout ready") in response, probably out of desperation.
Also he's funny and probably hints at the underlying plot.
No homo.
.16 inches?
specifically the music is great, the gameplay mechanics and the graphics are a step up from undertale.
So far I'm not sold on the writing, it doesn't really have the same impact as undertale this far at least. But in later chapters I might change my mind.
That being said, the first chapter of undertale is way better than deltarune so far.
90% of deltarune so far feels like a bunch of filler episodes on a tv show, a thing undertale didn't really have; my casual playthrough of chapter 1 and 2 took longer than the whole of undertale for instance
yes, it feels like there's just been a lot of throwaway characters, especially in chapter 1. It makes sense to establish kris, susie, ralsei as characters, but it spends a long time on characters like lancer who doesn't seem like he'll be very important going forward.
At the current pace, the cast is going to be way more bloated compared to undertale.
also I miss flowey, having him be the first introduction to the game gave it a much different atmosphere, it was always tense when he came up, knowing he was around somewhere. There's no killing toriel and going back moment, something else that worked really well.
literally didn’t read, post big shot images
tbqh i dont expect any of the deltarune exclusive characters to important to the plot besides kris and ralsei
cough susie cough
I just don't agree with any of this. The pacing is perfect, and having charming side characters is not a bad thing.
When is he going to make an appearance?
Chapter 7
papyrus is the knight
God I hope they make him a neckbeard.
I bet once he considered monster dating he thought "hey wouldn't it be funny to date a skeleton? Guess I should make them likable enough to date". I bet papy would have looked good with a pinstripe suit + Tommy gun thou
Given that neckbeard fedora people are sort of a relic of the 2010s at this point, I doubt this version of Papyrus will happen even if you discard Toby saying he's "so glad" he changed him.
I do hope he's different from UT Papyrus though, just not completely so.
>my little boney
that's what i call my dick
Papyrus is Gaster after he lost his memory of what happened in deltarune
Nothing in Deltarune is as funny as the Sans and Papyrus Snowdin section of Undertale, and I doubt anything will be
>built enough game dev experience to begin tackling his dream game
>collaborated with others
>episodic releases instead of building one huge game that may or may not ever finish due to expanding complexity and feature creep.
It also gets people talking and brings in attention every time one is released.
Toriel isn't real she's actually Asriel from Undertale standing on Ralsei's under the robe in darkness shoulders.
Kris is in on the prank
Which characters remember the previous cycle, and which ones retained the same role?
this is classic spongebob humour
love it
UT and DR are just if JRPGs had spongebob gags lmao
LOL not even mentioning the sans voice sample or how Flowey's theme is a reference to the FUN song.
Everything with sans paps and undyne follow very closely to the patrick, spongebob sandy dynamic too with lazy slob, naive goofball, and tomboy out of her element.
loved this scene so fricking much
i have no clue how i forgot about that too lol.
there's absolutely a ton more even just mentioned in the 6th anniversary stream as well.
There's also the drawing of Gerson in the supply closet which is supposed to resemble "Bold and Brash"
Nothing. It feels like a crappy undertale fanfic with none of the impact but all Toby has to do is make up some meme characters and a secret route and his fans will eat that shit up.
toby's games are kinda incredible because they tend to be loud in the main channel but have a lot more under the hood once you take the time to pick it apart.
it gives it the ability to pull in new players on a dime with the explicit accessible gameplay and refreshing characters while the implicit nuance gives UT and DR more than enough to keep fans talking about every little detail for extended periods of time.
Reminder that if you killed toriel and went back you fundamentally failed at the game
The frog fricking tells you that you can spare those who fight on
I never killed toriel because I instantly saw through the obvious gamey mechanic of npc telling you the gimmick of the boss
Fail harder larping gays
game's even built to taunt you the entire run if you killed her lmao, even before and after the CORE
the tuTORIEL is meant to teach you how to play the game
messing up in the tutorial isn't a failure, especially when the game then reminds you that you can go back and fix it.
>you can go back and fix it
Congratulations you missed the entire fricking point of the narrative moron
Also messing up at the tutorial (it isn't a tutorial but ok) is the definition of failure
How does it mean to be an utter and complete r*ddit tier failure, gay?
>Congratulations you missed the entire fricking point of the narrative moron
dude that's the entire fricking point of the narrative. It's teaching you that you can go back, that saving is something you should think about, and that it's meant to be part of the story. Killing toriel and going back is basically canon.
>if you do genocide your game is corrupted forever
Holy shit how can you be fricking moronic not to grasp the simplest of premises
Just reinstall bro
The mentality of a toddler who thinks he can bend reality to his will
I can't believe you're this fricking stupid
You're everything that the game went out of its way for to criticize and you STILL don't get it
Honestly at this point it isn't trolling anymore. You're literally this fricking dumb.
Fricking hell dude, chill the frick out it’s a bad game that was created for babies and YouTube reaction moments. I don’t like it either but you’re getting aggravated over something as moronic as that joke.
not really relevant
and stuff like the permanent genocide consequences, or flowey calling you out after reloading and not killing toriel is again meant to be a consequence of the canon ability to go back and reset your mistakes. If saving and reloading wasn't intended to be used, the idea of consequences for doing this would be meaningless. If it wasn't meant to be done as part of the player's canon actions, it would be pointless.
Refer to this
I can't believe that the people praising this game to all heights are nothing but a bunch of immature toddlers
Wow I might be having disillusionment here
It's official I now hate all undertalegays
based hatred.
The power fantasy and the value of the character's lives are largely incompatible which is why the genocide route is based
your perspective of the game would lead you to missing things like the genocide ending.
If you "succeeded" at the game, you wouldn't even be able to make this argument, because you'd have no idea that there were any consequences for doing things in the not good way.
It's ironic that your strong feelings about playing the game the "right" way are incompatible with even knowing that there's a wrong way to play it.
>you must sin irl to know that sin is wrong
??????????
And by the way YES I never did the genocide route because not doing it DESPITE HAVING THE CHOICE is the POINT
the fact that you have the option is what makes NOT doing it meaningful
Oh my god this world is fricking doomed
People are unironically idolizing flowey's attitude
I need a heavy glass of whiskey after this
Undertale has been ruined by morons and I will forever hate it
lmao go beat sans and come back, mr youtube playthrough
>aaahhhh no undertale is ruined by people who actually played the game, unlike myself
I don't need to play a game to have an opinion on it.
your opinion is bad and you should feel bad
Sans literally rams the premise in your skull
>the most determined thing you could do is to completely give up
>if you're a friend you'll never come back
And no, I don't need to genocide. That's like saying you can't decide rape is wrong because you've never done it
Fricking moron
genocide is easily the best route though.
Also no it's more nuanced than that because it's DETERMINATION that even gets you that far to begin with. And Toby's even go so far to drive home the point that too much determination can be a bad thing.
It's obvious you have no fricking clue about the narrative structure of the game
And that probably extrapolates to any other gay fricking franchise you like
Turning it into an abomination of what you want it to be so that you don't have to face yourself
You're coping so fricking hard because you did the genocide run and deeply regret it. But you would rather adopt flowey's attitude rather than admit any failure of your judgement
Honestly sad
Just fricking sad
The game is all about leaving the cave (growing up) and facing the consequences
You have decided to remain a toddler forever
mald statlet, my numbers go up yet your playtime remains the same.I brought the true end of the story i wanted, you just walked along a path set for you to appease a vain sense of morality.
If you want to be a good person, dont play a fricking videogame to do it, go do good for the actual people in your life you egocentric sludge.
My pattern of behaviour remains consistent across different levels, being with my family, friends, and during these types of games, unlike you
>after the true end flowey comes and begs you to leave them alone
The game narrative is against you, toddler. Cry and whine and seethe and cope and try to alter reality like Asriel all you want. You're a failure. Everyone knows you're a failure
>Flowey begs to not get his shit pushed in during the genocide route
The cope is unreal, you've lost yourself and lost your time to your self-serving bullshit instead of playing for the fun of it.
>doing fricked up shit is fun
you will be judged
The last thing I want in a game is to feel there's no consequence to my actions, good or bad. A story rigged to be happy or sad in the face of choice betrays the player.
how's that cognitive dissonance working out for you
you're both homosexuals genocide is the best route because it has good fights
i think the narrative that comes with the sans fight makes it one of the best fights in gaming for sure, and gameplay-wise it's great.
people tend to undervalue how good some of the other route fights are though.
true, mettaton is an excellent fight and it's a shame mettaton neo was just a lame joke instead of an actual battle
at least toby realized that and atoned by giving us spamton neo
NEO being easy was just so Hotland could be the ultimate filter in the route for moraltards
The point of Mettaton NEO being super easy is that he's the ultimate anti-human weapon, and by that point you're no longer human.
>atoned
you entitled little frick
die in a fire
>The game is all about leaving the cave (growing up) and facing the consequences
now that's a wild and hot take if I've ever seen one
also not everything is a fricking allegory holy shit
literally everything is an allegory
or what, do you think caves with monsters in it really exist?
>m-m-m-muh it's just a little story
the only way you can interpret it as being a story and having meaning in the first place is because you project that meaning onto it based on your real life experience
meaning, yes everything is literally an allegory
kys brainlet
not a damn thing you said even suggests it's actually an allegory, let alone the particular one you're trying to convince people of.
More people have cited evidence to point to Undertale being passage in the afterlife with the inclusion of the ferryman, a hooded skeleton, and the fact the fallen human is already dead.
>message of doom and gloom and you're fricking dead
>message of starting a real life after being trapped in a dark place for an eternity, and understanding that you only did this because you took responsibility for your actions and chose to not frick everything up
hmm yea i think i know which one is the correct one
id say go play omori to fantasize about having friends you neet twat but it's clear you wouldnt even try going outside in real life.
lmao he's breaking down
take your meds schizo, unironically
>hasn't made an actual point in hours
>projects again
here's your (you)
you can only pretend to keep it together for so long anon
you're losing it, get some help
You're not even doing it right KEK.
Any good bait is supposed to take stances that are increasingly polarizing to keep me mad instead of completely dropping the topic.
if it's so bad then why do i keep winning?
Better but this kinda bullshit works better in a smash thread or something where people tied their lives to shit they dont understand.
as someone who would rather play games than watch some idiot play through them: I think this is valid to a degree. feel free to "enjoy" a series you've never played, but you cannot and are not a fan on the same level as someone who has actually played the games
>sports fans
What is his fight gonna be like bros
the hardest in the game
>wow it's another le chill and mysterious character who is ackshually super duper powerful and totally the strongest
Seam isnt chill at all lmao.
And him being powerful isnt even subtle, he was the one to beat Jevil and makes the Dark Mantle for you. Also gives the lore on the dark crystals.
Spamton unironically redeemed Deltarune for me. After chapter 1 I though Deltarune was going to be boring as hell with flat characters like Jevil and King so I wasnt very interested. But when Spamton showed up and his story played out I was hooked. Toby has really made a fantastic antagonist.
easily one of my favorite villains ever and ill be blown away if he can actually make someone of that caliber every other chapter.
Spamton was literally the only saving grace so far
Having played Undertale, Deltarune, and Omori, I can tell you that the humor of Fox's games is just completely superior to Omori's, which to my understanding is the second best Earthbound clone.
>"to my understanding"
>not "in my experience"
The absolute fricking state
It's to my understanding, as in, everyone says it, not to my experience, as in, I haven't played every Earthbound clone.
definitely worth checking out Space Funeral and OFF if you're interested
i can personally attest to every game in this image being pretty good
only a couple i havent played but yeah some really fantastic games.
All of them have at least on great aspect to their writing but nobody's autistically studied EB's styles as much as toby dog.
i'd argue jimmy gets closer to the specific 'Mother' feel, little kid in big adventure in absurd world with themes of familial support and growing up
Im very curious how well it might get the aesthetic as im not super familiar, but the way Toby Fox writes the characters and builds on itoi's game philosophies shine incredibly well.
In an interview, Earthbound was intended to be design in a way where just metagaming through it, you'd miss so much of the humor and subtlety behind the game's world and so much of the bigger picture. Toby amped this up to the point where entire story arcs are basically completely hidden from people who just want to "win", and there's so many tiny bits of exposition in so many facets of the game, from environment art, the tons of phone interactions, and npc dialogue that can only be seen at very specific times like in grillby's.
>End Roll
>Jimmy
surprised anyone even remembers those games
lisa the painful is pretty good, can be both dark and funny at times without it feeling forced
joyful on the other hand is a mixed bag, goes a little too hard with the edge but the final fight is a highlight
Comparing it to Undertale
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>moment to moment gameplay is much better, areas in general have more to them and the fact we have access to superbosses without having to do something like genocide is great
>there's going to be an actual build up for a story, Undertale's main events already happened, while in this I feel like we're going to experience it firsthand
>the "routes" make more sense with their triggers, for example sparing or fighting jevil/spamton/king has no bearing on the chapter ending, if it were undertale killing 1 of those would ruin it forever
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>pacing of the game is way worse, in the same gametime of Deltarune we already beat a run of Undertale, as of right now we just finished the exposition since ch2 was also devoted to setting up characters for whatever reason
>Music is a tad bit worse, something like Berdly's fight theme would have more to it if it were in Undertale
>more throwaway moments, such as the robo trio or clover
a lot of it hinges on the payoff being worth it
>game is fun
>game is charming
>free demo with lots of content
Chapter 2 introduced the sexiest character and the rest is history
Spamton
Not being ironic
kino
deep cut.
why the hell would anyone say there's throwaway characters when Deltarune is still in the opening act and literally EVERYONE has new dialogue in Chapter 2
WHY is this FLAT
TWO FRAMES WALK ANIMATION
FIVE PIXEL SPRITE
TURN BASED
WACK-ASS
Beautiful little game
the only one I'm looking forward to these days?
because it's the only one the developer feels a profound need to make exist anymore, while still having a profound experience with all the older games that came before.
CogDis is a piece of piss aside from the ideas involving Porky sadly =)
Once fully complete, Deltarune is easily going to be the game of the decade.
Then again, considering how sparce on outstanding games the last couple decades have been, it'd probably be more accurate to say it'll be the best game within 15-20 years of its release window.
for how long toby dog has been planning for it and how early it's been paying off in the chapters it's impressive.
I feel if it sticks the landing he planned, by that time he could actually change how the general populace views games as a whole.
As standalone chapter 2 is shit except for Spamton and partially genocide route I'm tired to pretending it's not.
How can Toby enhance the other souls for the future schizoboss fights? Yellow soul has big shots and is flipped sideways. What can Toby add to make the other souls as interesting?
Purple soul will be like pacman where going up to one edge of the fight box will teleport you to the opposite one, and you'll be able to jump 2 lines
Green soul will have a deflection mechanic
Blue soul will have a ground pound, and the gravity will change
ok i'm bored now enjoy the rest of the thread
give a final (you) if you want to proclaim victory or not it's fine
for
People are fricking moronic and don't realize the green soul will be in chapter 3. Seam says you cannot win the fight without the shadow mantle, which could pretty much be the shield for the green soul. You cannot win the fight without being able to block the arrow attacks
Reminder that we are getting a proper Deltarune dev update in a month
Convinced by the update schedules that it's possibly the 3-5 release, even said he only released 2 on its own because of COVID
if you go by trends, purple soul may be next, and the way you could do that is by giving the player some loose kind of control in where the lines go.
Toby won't be able to shit out 3 chapters in a year even with his large team. Late 2023 is my bet
yeah that's everyone's reactions but the entirety up to chapter 5 was 50% a good long while ago and each chapter was like 6 months of development, ending up like exactly before the anniversary.
We can't predict the scope he's going for still but it's not as crazy as people think.
Not 50% in actual proper development tho lol. In 2020, he had shit like backrounds and some music done for all the chapters. And the story
How complete the chapters are right now depends on whether Toby's team is split up and working on all chapters at the same time, or if theyre doing it one by one. I'd imagine that ch3 is finished, ch4 is nearing completion, and ch5 is in early development
golems just buy whatever is played by their golem-streamers.
Games aren't sold or marketed anymore to those that have souls.
Woah anon you are so unique and quirky and zany you are not like THOSE filthy normalgays xD I gift 500 keks to you, my basket weaving gentlexir
green soul having deflection or something is actually a really fricking cool idea.
undyne literally gives you the spear multiple times and it's a shame you do so little with it
correction, it was only specified as chapters 3-5+, so we may even get the main release even sooner
The pre-dev was actually very close to done though iirc, even back then.
It was also said that Chapter 2 was one of the longer chapters in terms of cinematics, meaning artdev, and between updates progressed through very quickly regardless even with his smaller team.
The only thing that might make the chapters come out noticeably longer if the TV ends up meaning to imply Everdraed's involvement and he's in control of his whole own Dark World segment.
cruelty squad is baller
should i play genocide deltarune i havent yet, and how do u do it? just like normal undertale?
naw it's a bit trickier, but you dont have to worry about the kills until after falling off the rollercoaster.
In some ways you might think it's a bit darker in tone but basically at first all you gotta do is defeat a ton of enemies with Ice Shock