So the new Tekken 8 is a disaster. The game is getting heavily criticized by many because the new mechanics are absolute trash, they nerfed backdash, and all the new moves are ridiculously OP and cheap, easy garbage, as seen in the attached video. Worst of all they failed to implement a decent netcode and the game still feels terrible to play online, especially compared to recent fighting games like SF6 and Strive. How could they have fricked up this bad?
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Doomertroony please
>Game is still in alpha and at least a year away from release
>Harada said the game will still change a lot before release
>CNT was just bare bones and is just for feedback
And all of the feedback has been negative, and the new mechanics are garbage, and the netcode is quantifiably trash. But sure, everything is fine.
Most streamers I watched enjoyed it, but keep dilating doomtroony
Erm H said everything is alright and under control despite nothing indicating it is so shut the frick up you uhh troony!
>most of the feedback is negative
>most
Proof? One neckbeard on Ganker isn't "most"
You can just go read the /vg/ thread, and look at forums outside of Reddit, which will always just be shills by the nature of the forum system there, to see the criticisms. I mean I haven't seen anyone whose living isn't reliant on this game speak positively about it, so the only way you think that the game is getting good feedback is if you only listen to those people shilling it because they need it to succeed, hardly a non biased source of information. Even some of the pros have cracked here and there, like Fighting GM calling the game "scrubby" and saying "it needs a lot of work" and that the netcode is "pretty bad", then going back to praising it because if T8 bombs he can't make money off it.
>/vg/
homie everything there is negative. I even saw a lot of negativity towards SF6 in its own dedicated thread. The only semi-positive discussion is games in their own specific generals.
>/vg/
It's like being on a whole different site in most of those fighting game generals
moron, by feedback he doesn't mean written feedback from cum guzzling Gankertards that seethe at any minor inconvenience. It's pure statistical feedback, it's why it's called the CNT and not a "alpha" or a "beta"
You're dumb as shit
Frick off MarkMan.
Your favorite game was for sure an unpolished piece of unfun trash before it was released.
FeePeeBeePee
fake rollback netcode, like seriously they had 3-4 years and they still couldn't have it set up?
autistic effects that they wont remove from the game, instead they just give you a slider to "tone it down"
chip damage
nerfed backdash
including rage arts AGAIN but in the form of the autistic heat system
also the shader cache issue, like did they not do ANY testing themselves or see what sf did and thought to implement it?
I seriously can't understand the netcode issue, it's so integral to a fighting games success, and after people got to experience Strive and SF6s netcode there is no way people are going to accept anything less. It should've been priority #1, I genuinely cannot understand how they failed to implement actual rollback, they had all the time in the world given how long they took from T7 to now.
This, the fact I can play SF from Australia to Europe with absolutely zero noticeable lag is a fricking miracle
>fake rollb -ACK
>fake rollback netcode
It's not fake in any way.
He's the main character so it's okay
It's not like Kazuya is the only one with stupid bullshit in this game. The entire new heat system is trash.
https://twitter.com/holyknee/status/1685385124639367168
Knee has also literally said individual character balancing is pointless to talk about since its the easiest fix.
Chip damage though biggest issue
Everyone is loving the heat system except you
Knee is like 32 and has years of eye strain but even says the effects are an issue, how bad are some peoples eyesight?
Harada already confirmed a while ago that you will be able to turn down particle effects in final build
As a tekkuck I have to say this isn't even a beta test, its just a connection test, this is absolutely not the final balance of anything you morons.
>balance
Did you mean to say core game mechanics that break the game and simply dont work?
The entirety of the system mechanics seem like garbage how are they going to fix those in the few months leading up to the release? The Tekken devs idiotic insistence on creating an "aggressive Tekken" has destroyed the core of the game, AND it still has all the admitted problems Tekken has a series in general such as the legacy movelists. So they fixed nothing and broke the things that did work, and on top of that fricked up the vitally important net code, yeah this game is clearly going places.
moronic homosexuals are actually pushing out trash netcode in 2024 or whatever the frick
I want classic Tekken to return guys. The one focusing on somewhat grounded martial arts and that wasn't just unga bunga offense with supers and ultra attacks out of the ass.
The spirit of Tekken is dead. It's like any other cartoon anime fighting game now.
Your shit was always about unga bunga offense. Go play VF
>Go play VF
nta but VF is some good shit with no fluff. one of the last pure fighting games.
Too bad it's deader than disco
surprisingly it's still active on psn
Five players doesn't count
>It simply was the starting point for 3D fighters.
And it fell off every year because of its failure to innovate
>because of its failure to innovate
Wow just like Tekken, except 8 tried and failed miserably
Cope lil bro
Too bad it won't. VF went through it's 4th version of 5 and it still doesn't draw anyone in.
How is this a cope, Tekken literally stayed the same since 4/5 and Tekken 8 is just 7, but with gay heat
So did VF. What did 4 and 5 bring to the table?
Arrogant Kung-Fu guy.
That's every fighting game
Sega said the VF5 remaster thing was a success (it was a free download though so I dunno by what metric they're judging this though) and basically implied that the series will continue but can't say much more at the moment. The VF Dev said this at one of Harada's roundtable things he was doing a while back
As I said, it needed to expand.
VF is aggressive as hell though
If you consider mashing the same move over and over as aggressive
So successful everyone forgot it in a week
The roster conists of a space samurai, a masked wrestler that speaks like a jaguar, robots, magic wood men and bears
Yes, that is based. Now it's just copypaste animushit characters.
What are you on about? No its not
Every Tekken game is always like 95% classic Tekken characters, and then a few new ones that are not as cool
Jin isn't fun anymore, just a struggle.
I don't know where MainMan gets off calling him amazing. His pressure seems to be way too reliant on Heat mode and he doesn't have enough good tools to play the game properly outside of it.
"Dumb down and remove fundamentals, fill the holes with gimmicks" is the standard nu-fighting game design
>OP moves
>quick kill combos
tekken is back
Why was old Tekken so soulful? Just look at that background. Now it's like watching anime of the week episode.
the backgrounds are shitty hyper compressed photographs, I love it, but doesn't emulate well
>The unmatched beauty of blurry photograph skyboxes
This amount of soul hurts my heart
>Sega is no longer an industry giant
This timeline should've been prevented.
SOVL
I can hear the sound effects and music still.
Today there are a billion sound effects and the music is some abomination that an AI could have shat out. Gaming is dead.
I think T8 may have the worst OST in any fighting game ever made.
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Listen to that fricking shit, imagine hearing that trash DUN DUN DUN DUN over and over when you play that stage. Fricking disgusting. They just phoned it in to push more DLC sales of the inevitable jukebox.
Tekken 8's OST is definitely shaping up to be better than 7's. I can even get not liking 8, but the tracks there are inoffensive at least, I think 7 only had 1 or 2 even decent tracks before DLC, and it also had tracks that were just offensively bad like this.
Atleast it had the Mishima rooftop music. That was good. But I agree, the rest was shit.
Is this AI-made? The bar keeps getting lower and lower.
>wub bad
Tekken has always had electro and dnbshit in it's songs grandpa
courtesy of your zoomer intern that worked on that
The song was fine but then they ruined it with that lmao
>What went so very wrong?
They made Tekken 5 which is the greatest fighting game ever and they can't top it
First truthful post in the thread
Tekken 5 is simply the best fighting game ever made and will never be surpassed
Tekken 8 will be great but its impossible to be as great as T5
TTT is their best game. It needed a few balance patches sure, but what fighting game today launches fully balanced?
Well, Tekken 7 did... it was considered to be in perfect balance for the first couple years of it (of the home version, not arcade). It was only from one of the later DLC character seasons that it started to get unbalanced, because they made DLC characters more powerful in order to sell more DLC, and then would nerf the DLC characters after a season.
No it didn't, Akuma was comically busted and characters like Shaheen were still pretty OP even after being nerfed
No it didn't what?
Yes, it was considered to be extremely balanced in the early years. Nobody even figured out how strong Akuma is until years into the games lifespan, he was barely played at first and became popular in the Pakistan arc.
You don't remember the beginning at all, Akuma got nerfed several times early on because of Tokido and others showing off how broken he was. It was around Season 2 where the balance stabilised for the most part
What are you on about? Its looking great so far and people are saying tons of positive things about it
And the whole point of the closed demo was that they can get feedback on which things to change
They will definitely buff backdash because people dont like that change
I haven't actually seen anything positive about it, even here on this board. I checked the /vg/ thread and it's just people b***hing (rightly) about the shitty heat system, the chip damage, the wonky damage, and of course the absolutely godawful netcode. It's also mostly a dead thread, showing how litle hype there is for the game, SF threads had constant activity the moment the first tests for the game went up since people were excited for the game. Where are you even seeing these people saying "positive things" that aren't straight up Namco shills whose living relies on the game succeeding? Even fricking Aris, who should be a Namco shill since he gets paid to announce tourneys, shit on the game.
>It's also mostly a dead thread
Because Ganker doesn't discuss fighting games outside of b***hing about trannies or female character designs.
>SF threads had constant activity the moment the first tests for the game went up
No they didn't. I only remember seeing 1 thread from whatever the first test for the game was, just like with this game.
I'm talking about the /vg/ threads bro, you can gauge a games interest on this site a lot more accurately by seeing how well its general threads are doing than you can VS how many threads it gets here, since Ganker at this point is mostly just straight shilling, outrage twitter threads, and coomer threads.
If by "most" you mean /vg/ you are being dishonest. Not only is /vg/ not even 000000000.1% of the fighting game community, let alone a representation of players in general. Also every board on Ganker is peak contrarianism so there opinions are highly shitty, and I mean that for every fighting game.
Except the general threads of other fighting games are positive about the game and they discuss it, it's not just endless rage and salt about the state of the game like the Tekken thread is. The game is bad, it's in a bad state, and how are they gonna fix it with what little time they have left? The netcode alone is a dealbreaker, and yet you think it's gonna be good because the Namco shill force is telling you it will? I bet you thought Filipino Champ, Wong and Yipes were being honest when they talked about how great MvCI was right before it released, too.
the street fighter general is always shitting on 6, why are you lying so hard?
>you can gauge a games interest on this site a lot more accurately by seeing how well its general threads are doing
I don't think you can seeing as /vg/ is full of legitimately mental ritualposters and other schizos who singlehandedly get threads to bump limit.
>the general threads of other fighting games are positive about the game
lol
>yet you think it's gonna be good
I don't and wouldn't even pre-order it, I'm just not being a hyperbolic doomer about the game like you.
I would play tekken if all the combos were like this string instead of moronic 30 second long movies of launch in juggles into screw into juggle into bound into walll break into juggle into bound into rage gimmick into juggle into wall into frick your mother
Yeah no worries Kazuya still has those too.
>heavily criticized by many
Well, if you cherrypick only the criticism then that's what you get, yeah
>they nerfed backdash
What? Compared to T7? Is that possible?
Literally nobody cares about Tekkens mechanlcs lol, its a meme fighting game like MK.
the netcode is indefensible
I seriously hope they improve it massively before the game is out, imagining releasing such an anticipated fighting game with netcode this subpar after street fighter 6, which love it or hate it, has nearly perfect rollback
It's not even in beta yet, JDCR said it's already better than 7. Everyone said the netcode is better than 7 too and they can work on it more
Funny how all the people whose lives depend on (insert game series here) always praise the newest installment regardless
Really makes you think
it looks like a PS3 game
Maybe it's for the better they have been recycling animations for the past 30 years if this is how their new animations look like.
The midrange game is fricked up here. Can't wrap my head around it.
Tekken 8 seems like it's halfway there with its concepts.
It's built around aggression and concepts like Heat and recoverable health steer into that but it feels hard to build a counter-strategy around these things in order to make your opponent frick up. Right now I feel like if certain characters get some steam going they become very hard to shut down and in a game where the harder you play the more you're rewarded instead of being precise and cautious that means you need a more comprehensive set of get-off-me tools to respond to it.
I've chosen to believe Tekken 8 will lose to either Virtua Fighter 6 or Dead or Alive 7!
>lose to games that will never exist
Don’t stop belieeeeeeeviiing!
A series that stopped being relevant after 1995 and a series that killed itself under the weight of its microtransactions? LET'S FRICKING GOOOOOO
>and a series that killed itself under the weight of its microtransactions? LET'S FRICKING GOOOOOO
It died because it made a game worse than its predecessor, and the company decided to avoid FGO drama by cashing in on the real moneymaker: Gacha DoA girls
You know that means they won't make a DOA7, they'll just stick to region-locked gacha shit with a dying playerbase
When gacha fails, the answer will inevitably to take another shot at surpassing Tekken.
By being worse in every way?
>FGO
FGC, dammit.
DoA5 is already better than every Tekken game in every way save story. It just needs to be revived and drum up interest.
Keep dreaming lil bro
Next you'll say VF is better
VF is a better starting point, but Tekken has outgrown it.
VF can't even be considered a good starting point. No one plays it, not even the boomers who claim to have played it all the time in the arcades
I mean that the systems and ideas are good. It just needs to expand.
How so? Every other fighting game innovated without them pretending they did it first
VF doesn't "pretend". It simply was the starting point for 3D fighters.
Can be resolved with a marketing campaign.
>Can be resolved with a marketing campaign.
They already tried that with DoA6, and any attempt to try to make people take the game seriously just means annoying the fans of DoA who are largely just interested because they think Ayane's hot. If they leave the sex appeal as is they're not going to change anything, and if they change it then it's just going to put off the majority of the people currently interested in the series, probably not picking up many new players in the process.
They fricked up both DoA5 and 6's marketing campaigns
The core identity of DoA cannot distance itself from attractive female characters, boob jiggles, and panty shots.
Or they could keep the sex appeal and have the ads focus on the "EXTREME" combat.
>DoA5 is already better than every Tekken game in every way save story
Actual porn brainrot. Go back to jacking off to your gachashit "game"
Gee, anon. I sure do love these infinite voids, the lack of stage obstacles, the metallic sheens on skin, this WOO-WOO dubstep shit, 0tD combos, and the lack of neutral/movement.
I sure do love paying to play a game I already bought
You're paying for a school uniform. It's not the same.
Dead or Alive will never erase the reputation it has. The only people who value it are coomers and they are the only people who will ever value it now.
>Dead or Alive will never erase the reputation it has.
What reputation? It's fricking good.
Says the coombrain
The general perception of Dead or Alive is not of a fun fighting game, it's of that game where the girls play volleyball that's only of interest because there's a bunch of big-titty girls in bikinis. Whether it's actually good or not is beside the point, that's what it's known for, not its quality as a fighting game.
Backdash should be good but not be able to be cancelled into another backdash. Still, nerfing backdash is better than leaving it like tekken 7.
Tekken 10 will be good, Tekken 8 is an alpha for it and 9 will be beta
MK1 getting announced
>This is the effort of the Smash Ultimate/Pokken alumni at Namco
Face it
You're nothing without Sakurai
>Pokken
Scamco sisters....our arename slop....
Silence captroony
A GACHA SPINOFF? NFTS? TEKKEN BETTER WATCH OUT
tekken with even more party game masher mechanics lol
Virtua Fighter will save fighting games
>game comes out with a closed NETWORK test
>game is more than 12 months out from release
>players shit their pants, b***h, and moan because the network test didn't play the way they wanted
>acting like the game thats not out until 2024 is doa due to a network test
i cannot and will not imagine creating anything for the fricking cretins that play video games and ESPECIALLY fg players
God you homosexuals are so fricking negative all the time.
Seems fitting considering the current state of the industry.
>bro rollback doesn't exist please play my trans positive fighte -ACK!
It's funny that they buffed sidestep and people are complaining sidestep is too good now
They've gotta fix chip damage though
The face of DoA and of the hit gacha game, Venus Vacation
Tekken 8 CNT Review
I don't care about the balance of each character.
I think the development team will adjust it later anyway.
Graphic
Some people who said their eyes were tired due to the excessive effects of the game. It was okay for me
I think Tekken8 graphics really awesome
Special controller Style
New update in Tekken8
There are many types of hot keys that you can use.
so I don't want to one slot as a Special Control.
it's changed, one button hot key = Bryan's Taunt
So I don't think it will be used from a certain level or higher. It was embarrassing when the special control was suddenly activated in game. I turned it off quickly.
Guard damage
I don't understand. I feel like blocking is wrong.
I think if the defense is strong, it should be praised.
It is made by player effort.
The reason why viewers and opponents couldn't enjoy a game played by a person with strong defense in the Tekken game.
The infinite stage and many nerf of characters. so it became a poking game. and some characters with quick backdashes. I think it's the balance adjustment failed
And Guard damage very difficult to check during the game. I don't even know when the guard damage was created like that.
Heat System
I don't think the heat system is necessarily aggressive.
Some enhancement moves and smashes made Mindgame very simple. It gets boring quickly. a lot of 50/50 situation, Big gain in one success. so rather than an aggressive game, It's like an OX quiz.
Online Play
Crossplay is really good. Now you won't have to worry about the platform.
but a lot of laggy situations in the Steam ver. Sometimes the game is crashed.
The biggest problem is that when it is PC vs. PC, low spec computer user become the standard
So it's very slow and it's hard to play the game properly.
Not sure. But people say low specs are become the standard.
I think this is the biggest problem.
There was no problem with the PS5.
It's been fun. I hope I get a chance to play again.
>Some enhancement moves and smashes made Mindgame very simple. It gets boring quickly. a lot of 50/50 situation, Big gain in one success. so rather than an aggressive game, It's like an OX quiz.
It's official, Knee knows the "aggression" is just them trying to conceal turning the game into mindless 50/50 coinflips.
Downgraded
Nice try wienersucker, the game is great
is that string actually natural combo? it's hard to tell because its appears the Pauline player didn't try and block for a single frame in the entire clip.
Yes, it's a natural combo. It's also hit confirmable so Kazuya can stop at the third hit if he sees it hasn't hit, which makes it 100% safe to throw out at any time.
damn, that's fricked up.
>Long combo in 3D fighters is.... LE BAD
>hey mods shoot that red name!
>3D fighters should have 3 hits combo MAX
>*burrrrrrp* excuse me
>The most kino part of 3D fighter match is the Okazoomi, when one guy on the ground has to GUESS how he should get up
>Anyway, thanks for the sub Dikkins Mahass
SF6 is popular and has drive rush, a broken as frick mechanic that ruins the game at the top level
Tekken 8 will survive just fine
>anons first time seeing a playable boss character
dont look up jinpachi or true ogre lil homie
Why is the level of detail so low?
Because the game is a year away from release?
They already said that the stage in that announcement trailer is the only finished stage they have yet
All other stages are missing a lot of their lighting and shadow effects, which are also cast on the player characters in those stages
>All other stages are missing a lot of their lighting and shadow effects
source? what about the character models and character LOD??? or even the particle effects?? kazuya isn't the same quality as from the trailer and all characters have that weird glow on them now
the game is still and alpha and on top, you're a troony
>because the new mechanics are absolute trash
>what is rage art/rage drive
>they nerfed backdash
>waaaa to play tekken i need to spend a billion hours in learning kbd
>all the new moves are ridiculously OP and cheap
sounds like every new character. and if it's everyone having new OP moves, then it's """balanced"""
>netcode
>cnt
i cant wait for this to be new copy pasta and then have clips compared it to t7 (which was endlessly compared to vf until vf5 came out for the masses which no one played)
old news. the second they said the word aggression for the first time you knew it was over
The game isn’t finished yet moron.
What the frick kind of attack is this? Is the posing necessary?
Welcome to martial arts
Show some heart, at least.
>morons still think game's aren't released as is and betas aren't just stability tests
Soul Calibur V looked very similar to its final build in its first trailer.
Then again that game was shit and barely had any work done on it.
Tekken Tag 2 looks a quite a bit different but that's because they chose to use a new visual effect for Tag Assaults instead of "Bound then tag."
>literal unfinished game that isn't even releasing this year is bad
>HOLY SHIT IT'S ANUDDA TORTANIC
never change Ganker
Not excited.
SFV started shit and got good
T7 started good and got shit
were entering more of the Tekken dark ages as in typical fashion a singular good Tekken comes out, they get wienery and frick everything up,and insult to injury T7 has been patched to the point of ruin.