They had a good foundation with Melee and chose to forsake it because of Iwata-era Nintendo. Also the game has trash online, terrible input lag, and the DLC characters may as well not even be smash characters they are so gimmicky and lame.
>and the DLC characters may as well not even be smash characters they are so gimmicky and lame.
In this case Banjo and Sora are fine since they don’t even feel like DLC imo. I’d argue Inkling feels more like a DLC with the ink meter and the mechanic as a whole.
Sakurai didn't feel like taking a third dev-related trip to the hospital (that we know of anyways) to continue bloating an 80+ fighting game roster spanning the corners of videogame history. At least Ultimate ended on a high note this time with more fan-requested characters than ever before, instead of solely just the obligatory advertisements like 4 was reduced to being, was a fun ride to shitpost and play with.
Nintendo could have made Melee sequels for decades and Smeleegays would still find the tiniest reasons to not play them in favor of spending 80% of their hobby on Melee, just like CS1.6 and Quake fans but worse. PM (among other mods) still exists for the sane crowd wanting an improvement and Sakurai was understandably right to avoid that hole entirely.
With that said, I agree getting carried away with overpowered gimmicks for advertising purposes was also pretty fricking annoying. Hope whatever's next changes the formula up enough to do away with them... for a while at least.
>Nintendo could have made Melee sequels for decades and Smeleegays would still find the tiniest reasons to not play them in favor of spending 80% of their hobby on Melee
Preferring Melee doesnt mean you play competitively or all the time
Melee is better the same way OoT is better than Botw. You re just coping
Because it's the objective truth and you re too low IQ to get it. Play melee for ,a long time with your friends, you wont be able to go back and ultimate will turn into brawl, a fun thing to try character and stages, but gameplay wise you always back to Melee. it just feels better to play.
same way im obssessed with 1.6 over csgo, OoT over Botw, FF7/9 over FF16, etc. They just were superior, the only reason you say we obssess is because you don't understand it, and youd rather think that we are obsessed than you just don't get it because it feels better
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Nah, I nagged my struggling family to buy me a gamecube just for Melee. And still play it from time to time. And when my local Blockbuster closed I bought another copy just in case.
FF9 was a mess not even the engine could run the animations properly.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Came back to say Melee's intro and narrator are the ultimate kino and nothing ever came close to them ever since.
Music is also the best, later entries are just bloated with too many songs or uninspired arrangement so the good stuff ends up buried.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Came back to say Melee's intro and narrator are the ultimate kino and nothing ever came close to them ever since.
It’s soulless how the announcer never screams out the name of the games after Melee, hell even Megaman ZX Advent a DS game has a character shout its name of the game upon entering the title screen.
Because it's the objective truth and you re too low IQ to get it. Play melee for ,a long time with your friends, you wont be able to go back and ultimate will turn into brawl, a fun thing to try character and stages, but gameplay wise you always back to Melee. it just feels better to play.
That post also clearly outlined some of Melee's fandom to be more sane than others, which I also know myself from firsthand IRL experience with the community. The more asshurt pointing that out makes you, however, the more you prove it correct.
>objectively better
Sure the of-era nostalgia can't be replaced, but I prefer Project M "objectively" having an actual full viable roster and now-deliberate mechanics like you fans allegedly wanted, plus mod support to boot.
Fizzi is a israelite and therefore a slave to his nature. In spite of this, slippi is still better than ultimate's online by a long shot and only costs money if you want to LARP as if netplay sets mean anything.
False. I'm one of the best players in the world (at least I judge myself as such by having beaten Abadango before which is more than any of you gays can say) and I will say with conviction that Ultimate is the best game in the series. I've been playing in locals since Smash 64 and I almost assuredly have more hours in every Smash game than anyone who would dispute me. Ultimate is the best Smash game. I'm better than you, I've played more hours in each game than you, I've faced better opponents than you, I'm older than you, and my opinion is worth more than yours due to my greater exposure.
I've beaten bobby big ballz and made him angry enough to scream "SHUT THE FRICK UP" at my friend who was cheering me on from the audience. Therefore my opinion means more than yours. Melee is better, ultimate sucks. Sorry.
Well in that case I'd really like to play against you but my shitty Australian internet means I can only have genuinely competitive matches in person. What was the matchup you won, out of curiosity? I beat Abadango's Greninja as Dedede, but to be honest I only won one match out of five (shit matchup though).
Dang, I wasn't expecting you to say you beat his Falco. Nice work man.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
He is up on me in sets though 3-1
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Even winning one proper set is really good though, I only played Abadango in a bunch of friendlies. I'll take my one friendly win with a bottom tier character and will continue to brag about it though. The Smash scene in Australia isn't great due to our low population and poor internet so we all take our victories against globally famous players with a lot of pride.
Subspace Emissary was just Sakurai's magnum opus
It still has not been matched to this day
SSE was a fricking boring waste of time we had to endure in order to unlock characters quickly. It is only enjoyed by people who were fricking children during Japan Time. Any effort spent on single player Smash Bros modes would be better spent on balancing the multiplayer.
I would 3 stock you. You still wouldn't be impressed, and you still wouldn't care. I just want you to know that I'd 3 stock you. Because I would, and I'd do so with one hand while talking to other people in the barcade and barely paying attention. I have a reputation, you see.
I would kiss you. You still wouldn't be impressed, and you still wouldn't care. I just want you to know that I'd kiss you. Because I would, and I'd do so with one hand while talking to other people in the barcade and barely paying attention. I have a reputation, you see.
I might care if you kissed with impressive skill. You seem intent on insisting that your kisses are forgettable though. How about you try kissing those insecurities behind.
>Cutting most of the side content and neutering the modes that stuck around >Spirits are wholly inferior to trophies and even stickers >Gameplay heavily favors defensive/zoner archetypes >The newly added stages are either too basic or too intrusive >Assist trophies and poke balls are stupidly overpowered, if you summon Keldeo/Gray Fox/Rathalos its a guruanteed kill
Despite all this, I'd still say Ult is a very good game. Though I only ever boot it up when my younger nephews visit me.
I play with items off for precisely this reason. I'm not really a sweaty "competitive gay", but the items are just so broken that they're not fun. It just becomes "first person to get the item wins"
Assist trophies and pokeballs also have HUGE priority over other items. They are CONSTANTLY spawning. The game is tragically unplayable with them on unless you want the match to revolve around them.
An emphasis on the roster, over modes (1000+ event matches are neat, but doesn't make up for lack of board the platforms/ race to the finish/ adventure mode (melee/ sse)/ break the targets/ smash run)
The roster that made it sucks, yes, I'm glad a few never evers got in and crossed off many anon's roster bucket list, but I was so disappointed by almost all the additions that I'm at this point in favor for a hard roster reset
Also still being slower than melee
Also also online
I got other nitpicking, but those are the major ones that immediately came to mind
It's worth it to play on emulator in any capacity for smash. You have to sit through like 30 seconds of loading screens just to enter a match on real hardware. I exclusively play on yuzu and it's literally instant. so much better.
I think the first phase of the Paper Mario stage is fine despite its game of origin's lower quality and the second phase is kino. The Bowser phase ruins it. Not only does it double dip into Sticker Star to callback to a shitty level from it, but it's just a pain in the ass to play on. The music just being mainline music is lame as well.
I'm just sad the Mario RPG music is so lacking in general in Smash. Gritzy Desert, The Grand Finale, and Rogueport are the only interesting choices. Many games just get nothing, and a few others mostly just get basic battle music. The Dream Team battle arrangement is a letdown. They could have included either Superstar Saga battle arrangement from the 3DS, and instead added the lame Papercraft Battle theme despite its associated Spirit Battle not even going used. Worst of all is no Super Mario RPG music despite them getting Mallow and Geno Spirits in the base game. If nothing else changes next game, I'm at least hoping for some good music picks from TTYD, SMRPG, and TOK.
People grew out of it, and it's a milquetoast title. MK8 is the same way. Fun for a little, then you get autism filtered. Either you're some Nintendo psycho who continues to bing bing wahoo all the way to the top of the charts or you move on. Occasionally play it with friends.
A more meta-analysis answer would be COVID. Everyone stopped playing because you couldn't play in person anymore, and the hype train fell.
Autism incoming. Here is everything >No recovery on moves, especially aerials. Results in spamming unpunishable hitboxes. This single handedly ruins the game >Almost every character moves too fast. There's basically no delineation in playstyles, everyone twitches around spamming moves >Because of the above, the best strategy is to camp. Ironically it is campier than Smash 4 despite being "faster" >DLC brainrot characters filled with comeback mechanics, absolutely moronic. Basically none of them are fun to fight >Turd party dilution of the roster, especially in DLC >Platforms feel like shit, your characters get stuck on them constantly, there's a huge delay when you're allowed to run off and do somwthing before you get a dash attack on the platform >Insane input delay, even offline. Offline input delay is double Smash 4s, online is almost triple >Mind bogglingly moronic online play. Your options are shitty lobbies, or """Ranked""" where you have to beg to get your ruleset. Smash 4 mogs Ult completely here >No changing characters between games. A problem made even worse by the downpour of shitty matchups in the bloated badly designed game >Roster bloat results in lots of oversights. Characters low profiling moves they really shouldnt, infinites, multiple 2-8 or worse matchups, god awful game >Absolute worst community of zoomers in any smash game. Almost every single player is a 1 and doner, shuts down lobbies after a loss, plays like a b***h, etc. Many, many troony groomers >Shitty single player modes. The big """""story""""" mode is glorified event mode with some admittedly cool boss fights. Mogged by all other Smash games except 64 in this department >Archaic useless training mode >Legacy characters completely forgotten or given half assed attempts at updates. Ganondorf is still shit and has almost nothing to do with his original incarnation
Above all else, the game just feels bad to play. The worst Smash game for multiplayer besides Brawl.
>muh roster "bloat"
literally every character ever returns and you homosexuals still b***h about "bloat" somehow. I want as many characters as possible and frick compgays like you and others wanting to ruin the game for everyone else. I'm glad Nintendo does its best to disassociate with the pedos that make up the game's "pro" scene. I hope they shut down more events just to piss you homosexuals off.
That about sums it up. There's a good chance I won't even pick up the next Smash Bros if it keeps going in this direction. Especially since I know they're going to cut Ridley to make room for Fire Emblem Self Insert #39.
>Especially since I know they're going to cut Ridley to make room for Fire Emblem Self Insert #39.
Everyone begged for Ridley and then no one played him. If he gets cut in the next game it will be deserved.
Don't blame the players. Blame whatever homosexual decided that Ridley needed ten years of startup and cooldown on most of his attacks. It's like his kit was actively designed to be super punishable in a speedy, spammy meta. >Hey, let's make his Neutral B be a chargable projectile with an extra weakpoint for free hitstun. Then let's make sure he can't cancel, store, or otherwise act out of it like any other charge B. That sounds completely reasonable.
Agreed on all these points, Ridley deserves better in the next game.
That Fireball move SHOULD be able to be cancellable, acting out of it and stored for later use, also his down b is debatably the worst in the game it was probably made with free for alls in mind. Aerial down b could’ve been pogo tail.
>muh pogo tail
Holy shit when are you morons going to stop with this? It shouldn't have been the exact same animation as on the ground for sure but being the pogo would be fricking stupid. A diagonal tail stab like this move he does in Brawl would be much better, of course, without the tail dragging.
>players begged for Ridley and then no one played him.
bottom tier >players begged for Banjo and then no one played him.
bottom tier >players begged for K. Rool and then no one played him.
bottom tier >players begged for Simon and then no one played him.
bottom tier
I absolutely hate the balance in this game. We finally got a lot of fan favorite characters in Ultimate only for most of them to be absolutely trash
At least I got a very good mileage out of every one of them.
No shit, I really enjoyed K.Rool, Simon and Ridley to a lesser extent.
But Banjo always sucked ass.
One of the few advantages with playing with friends instead of online or "competitive", these tiering shenanigans are less important.
I'm expecting four or five of the previous Fire Emblem fighters to return next time. I can see the Marth clones cut in half, and one out of Corrin, Robin, or Ike out. No idea how they'll handle the newcomers. We're certainly getting at least one.
Ridley is lucky that Metroid is in a strong spot right now. I can't see them going back to just Samus anytime soon, so the only way I can really see Ridley not making it is if Zero Suit Samus gets overprioritized. As for usage, I believe Ridley is closer to the middle than the bottom, with some higher play in the west. Not a safe bet to keep him in, but also not damning.
I think next game will be the hardest to justify more than 4 fe reps, let alone any newcomers over some newcomers for other nintendo series >as of engage, the series is seemingly on the decline >series like pikmin, metroid, luigi’s mansion, and kirby are bigger than ever, getting more games on switch >some forgotten nintendo franchises like famicom detective club, advance wars, another code, and endless ocean have all gotten comebacks on switch. Even fzero had a slight resurgence with 99 >somehow zelda still hasn’t recieved a new nonclone rep since melee >donkey kong has been receiving a giant push recently even if not through games, though that could change soon >this isn’t even getting into mario or pokemon and the plentiful amount of characters they could use for newcomers, as well as other nintendo series not represented much through the switch era
The fact that we don't even have Bandee or Magolor in minor roles as background characters or assist trophies is proof that Sakurai is actively avoiding including anything from modern Kirby after his tenure.
Yeah, it’s gonna be even more awkward if he does it again
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Anonymous
Reminder that Forgotten Land didn’t get spirits even though they put stuff for Pikmin 4, Xenoblade 3, Splatoon 3, Pokémon Gen 9, Mario Wonder and Peach Showtime.
Engage didn’t get spirits either
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Yeah, I think that was definitely bias showing. Part of me wants to see no new kirby stuff get into next game’s base game unless they’re from sakurai’s games simply to see how much outcry it would cause. I imagine the day nintendo actually forces a character like bandana dee, magolor, ado, or really any Kirby character from a non sakurai game into smash, sakurai will have to be held back with him kicking, screaming, and crying.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
It is a notable omission, but I can at least see the logic why it was left out.
>Splatoon 3 and Xenoblade 3 both had new amiibo out shortly before the Spirit Event, so they could tie into that. Sometimes people forget associated amiibo unlock Spirits. Both had later DLC as well in 2023 and 2024. >TotK, Pikmin 4, and Wonder were all EPD's own franchises and got new games in 2023. >Princess Peach Showtime had incredibly lucky timing and could line up with the Mario Wonder Spirits. >Pokémon is Pokémon.
Dumb as it sounds, I can see why Forgotten Land and Engage were ignored if they really were trying to limit what got in. One was an earlier 2022 title from HAL, and the other was an early 2023 title from Intelligent that seemed to not light up the world in sales or reception. I'm reserving judgment on Kirby until next game. If it doesn't even get a stage, I will finally have given up any leeway on Sakurai not being super biased against any game he didn't make. It outsold his first Kirby game.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
I actually don't think highly of the timeline where Forgotten Land got spirits before 64 got any, so I'm sort of fine with that. Who'd they even use, anyway? FL's cast was pretty barren.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Elfilin, gorimondo, tropic woods, clawroline, beast dedede, sillydillo, ranger Kirby, drill Kirby, and all of Kirby’s mouthful modes
Even when I say I’m gonna get off and take a break from it, I still play a little extra longer. I’ve got 200+ hours clocked into it while MK8DX I’ve only played for 20 hours lol.
Midna should have been a Brawl newcomer. It would have been flawless timing. Now it can never happen because Twilight Princess is long irrelevant and they’ll likely choose someone from the BOTW or TOTK games due to their high sales and being synonymous with the Switch era.
NTA but my biggest never-evers are in and I completely agree that post-Awakening FE became a disease on both Smash and its own developer. And it's mainly held up by a gacha no less.
>but Mario and Pokemon
Biggest videogame and media IP's respectively. Much more understandable, despite the latter's own damaged fandom.
>No changing characters between games. A problem made even worse by the downpour of shitty matchups in the bloated badly designed game
Holy fricking shit this completely goes against the whole “Everyone is Here” thing, you got all these characters to choose from but you have to be stuck with one the whole time. This is one of the biggest sins of Ultimate, a lot more you listed. Also my pic related is an organized mod that you can’t do in the vanilla game.
This is almost perfect, but- >3rd row starts with pokemon Trainer instead of Pikachu, the face of Pokemon itself >It isn't relase order the franchises are ordered at >Some villians/antagonists seem to be in a semi arbitrary order, with Ridley second to last, Bowser before Jr. and the Plant, and Mewtwo in the middle with only Inceneroar at the end, Dark pit in the middle >Neither are clones/echoes in any sort of order >Third parties start with Cloud instead of Sonic/Pacman/Megaman and/or Snake second >Simon and the lead in the last row instead of some of the more relevant characters mentioned before
Miles better than the shitshow we have in Ultimate anyways.
While Marth belongs as the first one in the fifth row right now because of character bloat, I do hope in Smash Ultimate 2 electric boogaloo if FE Black folk get cut, a more proper franchise can take that spot, like DK, Metroid, Star Fox, or even Splatoon, assuming they get one or two newcommers be it a new original character and an echo/clone of some sorts, they do deserve it more than those blue haired homosexuals.
Another thing that gets annoying is that you’re always sent to this boring ass plain ass looking waiting room when not playing with friends online, fricking soulless, compared to Smash 4 where you get sent to the stage you’re going to fight on.
>bad animations >ugly models >stuttery gameplay (pauses when you hit someone is horrible) >less average music quality, less orchestra and too much fan remix bullshit, less is more >in general less fluidity, worse feeling when playing
The absolute horrible online compared to Smash 4 is something I'll never understand. They literally went in and made it worse on purpose.. for what reason? People were perfectly fine having their goof off rooms and srs bizness rooms separate, why the frick did they remove it?
input delay, even offline. Offline input delay is double Smash 4s, online is almost triple
That and the buffering is why I don't play this shit after playing Smash 4 competitively
I only have fun with rushdown playstyles like Samus or Roy but you're right, it's pretty flawed
Project M is still my favorite Smash gameplay wise but I hate having to keep a Wii set up
>Project M is still my favorite Smash gameplay wise but I hate having to keep a Wii set up
It emulates really well, I bring my laptop + GC adapter to locals to play with a buddy and whatever other oldboys show up.
worst community of zoomers in any smash game. Almost every single player is a 1 and doner, shuts down lobbies after a loss, plays like a b***h, etc. Many, many troony groomers
I think this makes the game unfixable.
you could do everything in your power to change and rework everything and the community would still be dogshit 1 and done then act like a b***h. EVEN THE GOOD PLAYERS WILL DO THIS SHIT ONSTREAM! Which makes it ten times more aggravating and unforgivable. They all act like it and no one calls anyone out except for playing sonic so why change?
>Having such a troony problem you need an anti-troony task force
It's rather funny that Xbox and Sony pander to troons so hard, yet like flies attracted to shit, they all flock to Nintendo.
Pandering and begging for the attention of troons and being IGNORED by them is far more pathetic than taking their money and rightfully treating them like shit
>DLC ruins the game >single player isn't interesting in the slightest >online is nearly unplayable >lamest fricking playstyles imaginable make watching tourneys boring
If you have a local that isn't plagued with total homosexuals that camp as sonic/steve, it's fun to play. But that leaves everything else being complete ass.
smash became a parody of itself once it stopped being purely nintendo characters and just became a great big advertisement for whatever upcoming release was happening at the time
there was novelty with sonic and snake in brawl but when you have things like final fantasy cloud, tekken kazuya, persona joker and FRICKING STEVE MINECRAFT then it's just fricking stupid
might as well just add master chief and leisure suit larry at that point
I really, really don't get it. I've gotten mad at games before, of course, but Smash Ultimate (and 4 for that matter) were the only ones that I have actually raged at. I think Ultimate is just that poisonous and backwards. It's fricking insane how it brings out the worse in me.
Its statistically the least balanced Smash game, actually. In terms of percentage of characters winning and top 8ing, its less than 10%. Melee is in the 20s. Smash 4 was WAY more before Bayonetta and was still higher than that even after Bayonetta. Ult is poorly balanced and only defended by babbies who started with it. The only cool thing about Ultimate is Ridley and the Belmonts. And theyre all shit tier.
Ivysaur. leaf blade was unstoppable spam that lead to combos and vine whip was a guaranteed hit from so many things including grab and started killing from 40% or so. down air meteor went through the entire stage on omega.
>tried ultimate's online >didn't want to try 2v2 because I didn't want some poor soul being paired with me who doesn't know how to play >figured four player free for all would be most ideal and fun for someone like me >set that in preferences >game ends up being a 1v1, because apparently "up two four players" can mean just two players, even if I clearly would have picked 1v1 if I wanted that
Is it really not possible to specify four player (or even just three player) free for alls? This online really does seem shit.
Do people even play 4vAll in ultimate? I feel like pretty much everyone is playing 1v1s, I haven't played an FFA since the first year. In Smash 4 you could hop on For Fun and mess around whenever you wanted and there were always games.
>Is it really not possible to specify four player (or even just three player) free for alls? This online really does seem shit.
Nope. It's not possible. All you get to set are your "preferred" rules, which gives you a greater chance of the matchmaking actually giving you what you want, but otherwise, it's random and based on the preferences of the other players as well
you have to wait and play a few 1v1 games or 3player FFA games. however, the system does sometimes match you to 1v1 players, which means you'll only play 1v1 games.
you can tell if they're using 1v1 settings because you'll wait for a while before seeing the "get ready!" pop up in the corner. if the "get ready!" pops up like immediately, you need to rejoin.
if you really don't like 1v1s, you can have a nice day - AFTER letting them hit you once - every stock and then leave and wait a few seconds and rejoin.
once you get into a 4player FFA, you can play it pretty much forever and people will take any slots that leave unless you get unlucky
>Is it really not possible to specify four player (or even just three player) free for alls?
No. You can't even change characters without queueing up another opponent
Steve
Ended balance patch support too early while the game balance was piss poor
This was not. It didn't seem like that much of a problem at first, but issues started escalating as soon as Sora's initial hype was done. They should have at least gone to mid-2022 with patches, which sounds reasonable when you remember that even Smash 4 got at least one final patch after Bayonetta's release.
>Single-player was focused too much on one idea that was hit-or-miss among people. >The netcode is a mess, and in a few regards somehow a downgrade from Smash 4. >There's too many fighters that can end up feeling frustrating to face compared to previous Smash titles. Can attribute that to several issues.
I find most issues to be either minor or just nitpicking, and I think you can't go that far with criticizing the roster unless you factor serious bias or get real nitpicky. Ultimate it still a really good game, but the three general areas I pointed out are its biggest faults. A lot of other issues can be bounced off them in some fashion.
What Assist Trophies do you want to see playable next time? So far its just Little Mac, an echo and a semi clone, whoops I meant Dark Samus and Isabelle.
I want fewer characters overall, but I'm still a GenoGOD, so I want him (especially since we just got the SMRPG remake). Other than him, I don't think there are that many notable omissions... although now that i'm looking at your pic, Skull Kid has potential too
I feel like they're going to add Waluigi as the new Nintendo Never Ever. It's basically a tie between him and Geno at this point.
Other than that, Bomberman and Shadow seem likely. I could also see Knuckles making the jump, though I'd rather have Tails or Eggman first. Skull Kid and Midna seem like they'd be likely candidates for promotion too.
>Assist trophies and poke balls are stupidly overpowered, if you summon Keldeo/Gray Fox/Rathalos its a guruanteed kill
Items are also obnoxiously OP, spot all the OP items here, they should be nerfed back to Melee level
>Start Match >Opponent is a zoner/Rosalina >Pokeballs and Assist Trophies turned on >Hyper focuses on keeping you from getting any. >Teabags as their CPU Army snowballs.
>skull kid or midna >zero >bomberman or alucard >lyn or black knight >shadow or knuckles >isaac >krystal >even a retro or obscure character could be fun
hmm it seems to me that assist trophies were better additions than some of the roster, wow imagine that
My biggest problem is they didn't add descriptions to the spirits in the game. I wish they did, because then I probably would have played the story mode.
Online was unplayable. I bought this game on release and played about ten hours of online matches. Not a single match was without lag. Not one.
Returned the game few days later for full refund. What a piece of shit.
Why does Game and Watch's recovery not only make him completely invincible, but also deal damage, and have a float afterwards? Why is Sakurai so fricking moronic?
>one of my most requested first-parties was dark samus >a villain with vastly different powers than normal samus >turned into a lame samus clone >one of my most request third-parties was a megami tensei rep >got joker, a wild-card persona user who could use a variety of unique demons/personas for different abilities >only uses arsene, it's some weird power-up thing that does not function at all how it does in the games, barely represents the franchise, not even a god damn jack frost mii costume
Frickin' come on man
Way too many 3rd parties, not evolving anything significant just minor tweaks, absolute dogshit online, not fixing anyone that needs to be fixed like ganondorf, unlocking content is just a tedious slog with zero surprise since they have to market everything, etc.
>fix Ganondorf
I don't like him in his current state either, but "fix" implies to me that something isn't working as intended. What do you think needs fixing?
NTA, but the fact that he's STILL a Falcon clone at this point is simply unacceptable. It's a moveset that doesn't fit his character at all, has never fit his character, and he's been bottom/low tier every single game which would sort of empirically show that what they're doing with him "doesn't work".
I like Melee Ganondorf a lot despite his lack of competitive viability, and I like that it gives him a slightly different identity, but I can understand that complaint. He's always an impressive physical specimen in the Zelda games, but he's seldom really shown using that physicality without some kind of weapon or magic.
I just struggle to think of what he'd do instead, especially since he differs so much between incarnations. I suppose more/different sword moves wouldn't be out of character, as he had a sword in OoT, TP and WW, but lord knows there are enough characters with sword movesets already. I could see him getting a Dead Man's Volley-type projectile with some mild homing capabilities, but it couldn't be spammable. I could see him getting some kind of float like Peach or a Mario Cape (like they kinda did in Project M, but neither ever felt useful enough imo)
a final smash where he draws his sword and have a sword moveset, neutral b infuse the sword with magic and instakill if you can connect, side b launches some magic ball like in OoT, and he can fly and levitate around around
the melee moveset is too fun to be removed. maybe add some magic shit on down b, and make down b into down A (coherent with up a being the explosive charged magic axe kick)
At least they gave him the sword for side smash or something.
Not that he ever did use that, I think it was some Spaceworld 2000 Link vs Ganondorf tech demo. I don't even think he even had it in any OoT artwork.
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Anonymous
he got a sword in the twilight princess final battle as well but yeah it comes from the tech demo hence the sword in the victory animation in Melee
You literally just need hand-eye coordination and the ability to think on your feet. If you decided to rot instead of be active of course your abilities have deteriorated. Why would I want to adjust to stagnant slop instead of keeping my mind sharp? Might as well just roll slots all day.
I’m more than satisfied with the roster, stage list, items and added gameplay quirks like balloon knockback. It’s my go-to Smash Bros to play with friends, but it’s definitely lacking in single player modes. For me the worst exclusion is a proper All-Star mode instead of just another variation of Multi-Man. Spirits are also less fun than trophies, at least have a little description or blurb like trophies did to add a little soul, yknow.
>Crash Bandicoot
Garbage meme character with boring moveset potential.
When someone asks for Crash, it's clear that they are just a rostergay that doesn't play the game.
>Motorcycle >Tornado spin >Bazooka >Kart items
Sounds like you don't play the games since he has more than enough to pull from for a good moveset compared to others
>Motorcycle
Wario's side B >Tornado spin
Incineroar's neutral B >Bazooka
Generic projectile move
I played most Crash games and yes, he is boring.
But that clearly doesn't matter to you, because you don't play Smash.
>Putting some of the best moves in the game all into one character is le bad
You can make piss baby statements like that about every character in the game
A lot of things.
The roster is dogshit. There’s way too many characters and a good chunk of then are either uninspired, gimmicky, or poor representations of who they are as characters.
There’s also the problem of gameplay. Smash 4, at mid level, is better in every conceivable metric. It’s a lot more bullshit and unbalanced but that makes it infinitely more fun. I miss being able to fly off the stage with a reverse falcon punch and actually land it. You die even for trying that in Ultimate. Not to mention the focus on defensive play and zoners as well as how stiff everything feels. It’s not good.
The lack of modes was bad too. How I can still get mileage out of Brawl’s side content is beyond me, but I really can. As opposed to Ultimate where I don’t feel as inclined. It was a step up from Smash 4 but it wasn’t enough. Sakurai needs to bite the bullet and make Subspace 2.
Last, the third parties. Awful. Inclusions like Hero and Banjo felt necessary, but what the frick is Joker doing in this game. Why is Terry in there before like 7 other FGC characters. Why does Final Fantasy have two characters and neither of them are Terra. Why a lot of things. Go back to focusing on Nintendo stuff, please. And replace Joker with an actual SMT character, jesus.
>Brawl >Have a brand-new adventure featuring all the characters with intricate stages that don't overstay their welcome >Oh cool
>SmashU >REMEMBER GOOMBELLA >Well uh yeah actually I d- >REMEMBER GENO >Where are the stages? These load times are abysm- >REMEMBER DONKEY KONG COUNTRY >Shut up! >REMEMBER STREET FIGHTER II >SHUT UP!!!
Masahiro Sakurai. That is all. He cannot do everything on his own and it shows. As soulless as a corporate-driven Smash would be (spoiler alert, it's been that way since Brawl), I would probably trust some suits to decide the roster over Sakurai. It's clear he's become the one thing people thought he was fighting against. The lack of substantial modes, The underutilized features, the overall feeling of the game itself since Brawl, Sakurai's own personal preferences and tastes and the need to push for quantity over quality (1000+ pngs show how small the roster really is) tells me that Sakurai really doesn't have it in him to do Smash anymore, but Smash is a guaranteed payout and I won't fault him on that one, but it's time to pass the torch.
the dlv is all third party and fire emblem and recent release nintendo games specifically because suits decided them. third party = more sales, or so they think.
They were cool back in Melee and Brawl, back when they and Snake were among the few non-whimsical Smash characters (or the embarrassment that was being a Sanicgay) back in the edgy dudebro 00's. By the time we had self-insert footgay MC's that charm was long fricking gone unfortunately.
If you asked me during Brawl days if I'd like Cloud and Sephiroth that would be a yes.
But when you get Cloud. And Sephiroth. And Marth. And Roy. And Ike. And Corrin. And Chrom. And Hero. And Byleth.
In a series about Nintendo all-stars. Then you look back at 64 and Melee and somehow they feel more comfy than the current one despite having a couple of characters.
Feels like some sort of monkey paw gotcha. I could never foresee having more characters would make me dislike Ultimate by the end.
NTA and I agree but it's a stretch to call many of Melee's characters quality. Some of them really border on unplayable even in casual play. Holy frick what are Pichu, Kirby, Mewtwo and Bowser.
>Holy frick what are Pichu, Kirby, Mewtwo and Bowser.
I mean it's the same situation with Ultimate. Characters like Mac or Ganondorf can't compete at a high level against the better characters, but talented mains might see success at smaller regional scenes. None of Melee's low tiers barring Bowser really even feel bad to play and have a lot of unique gimmicks to them. Mewtwo being a standout example.
Character attrition in general will pretty much do that regardless of which fandom boat you're riding in. Once you're nearing a hundred playable fighters it begins to feel less special and more like another arbitrary base that needed covered (like finally getting more villains like Rool and Ridley) since by Ultimate's end getting even M-rated Microsoft IP's was within possibility, and by then the fandom is fractured in priorities. Hell even Banjo being an N64-era appeaser decades after Smash 64 was enough to cause a schism with newbie fans who wanted only newer and shinier protagonists instead of what they considered an untimely pittance.
I guess I'm just lucky to be in the camp that's happy at all to finally get those kinds of characters, having played the series since the beginning. Now I can lean more into wanting something new out of the gameplay moreso than just completing a childhood circle.
Everyone loved marth roy ike, a fair balance of the FE series and they contrasted well with the other Nintendo characters. Sakurai then proceeded to go whole hog on animeish humans
>shitty balloon launching physics >half the characters are gimmicks (most of whom are annoying to play against win or lose) >feels like they tried to add some speed into the gameplay but not enough to make it feel like Melee, ends up feeling awkward >jumping feels weird >all the other complaints ITT >shit DLC (including Steve, Sora, Byleth and Sepiroth) >shit "story" mode >fans are either pedos, weirdos or both >tournaments are full of LWs who I couldn't give a shit about and have no personality outside their Discord meme culture.
Honestly Smash 4 was a better game but of course because it was unbalanced and was on WiiU/3DS it's a black sheep. Same shit happened with Mario 3D World, bad Mario game until it moved to Switch (for the record it's not a good Mario Game).
I bought Ultimate, tried it for a few games, then dropped it because it felt like my character did a move a solid quarter second after I pressed the button. That's fricking bullshit, you already need to be anticipating your opponent's moves and I don't have the patience nor the clairvoyance to compensate for a moronic input delay on top of that.
>reading this thread full of valid complaints will well put reasoning >Ultimate is still my favorite anyways because it has the most shit in it
I'm casual as frick when it comes to Smash, I just frick around with the offline stuff, play it with some friends occasionally then drop it. The fact that I can have Terry, Ryu and Kazyua in the same match is fricking crazy and makes it 10/10 for me.
Just means you're chill and well-adjusted when approaching why you like certain vidya. So long as you have a respectable line of standards, there's nothing wrong with avoiding the opposite camp of bashing people over a videogame not being 200% perfect.
Character attrition in general will pretty much do that regardless of which fandom boat you're riding in. Once you're nearing a hundred playable fighters it begins to feel less special and more like another arbitrary base that needed covered (like finally getting more villains like Rool and Ridley) since by Ultimate's end getting even M-rated Microsoft IP's was within possibility, and by then the fandom is fractured in priorities. Hell even Banjo being an N64-era appeaser decades after Smash 64 was enough to cause a schism with newbie fans who wanted only newer and shinier protagonists instead of what they considered an untimely pittance.
I guess I'm just lucky to be in the camp that's happy at all to finally get those kinds of characters, having played the series since the beginning. Now I can lean more into wanting something new out of the gameplay moreso than just completing a childhood circle.
My point is just the contradictory feeling of getting 90 characters and a lot of content in the end didn't feel as satisfying as I thought it would be.
It doesn't mean I think Ultimate is shitty and bad or whatever. It's still the #1 game I play with friends when we finally get together nowadays.
I'm much happier with the DLC we got than what anons were fearfully predicting during launch. Sure half is still all JRPG's as expected, but most didn't expect the level of heavy hitters we got as opposed to solely the former, or as oddly specific and autistic as Grinchgays wanted.
>Joker
Pick some SMT protagonist, if one at all, idk if any of them would warrant sales as a Persona character did >Hero
Cool pick, if there were fewer anime boys >Banjo
Past due time, should've gotten better moveset >Terry
haters btfo, great addition >Byleth
Current Fire Emblem advertising, tolerable >Min Min
Switch game advertising, tolerable >Steve & Alex
I'm too old to give a frick or know what they are >Sephiroth
Either pick him or Hero, could've gone with another Square character >Pyra/Mythra
Weird anime balloon breasts characters I don't know much about, Bayonetta covered my horny quota already >Kazuya
Nice pick >Sora
Why?
>Style Over Substance: The Game
Ult is a deceptively shallow game, lacking basic features and featuring poorly designed movesets (from a gameplay perspective). The online play was inexcusable, both due to NSO and the modes / matchmaking options. Even the UI sucked; the rules selection, in particular, makes playing around with the rules in casual matches a pain in the ass.
Nintendo's crappy online service, WoL is just ok, and the competitive community is total dogshit. Everything else about the game is fine except for getting rid of trophies. Perfectly fun local game with friends imo.
>favorite characters are Banjo and Sonic >they both aren't really fun to play as >zoomers constantly talk shit saying no one wanted these characters/no one plays them
Like at this point, even by some miracle if they changed sonic & banjo I don't think I want to even play the game anymore
No momentum
Baloon physics
Extreme input delay (this is more of a Switch being shit hardware issue to be fair)
Awful netcode and online game modes
Annoying ways of customizing your game (need to make individual rule sets for even a single change)
and many more but I can't be assed to ponder on them, I abandoned this game years ago.
Smash is a game with a ton of content, fanservice, variety and gamestyles. But it's impossible to play online in anything less than boring flat stages with no items and neckbeards who analyse frame data
It's funny because I would never, ever play against people like you if I was given the option. I'm happy with my competitive ruleset but 9 matches out of 10 I am forced to put my rank on the line against some homosexual with party game rules and a 3 minute timer. I don't want to play against them and they don't want to play against me, so why not give players the option to filter out certain rulesets entirely? Better yet, do something like what guilty gear strive does and let me see what character/settings my opponent is using BEFORE the match starts so I can simply dodge them if I don't feel like playing against them
>let me see what character/settings my opponent is using BEFORE the match starts
this is the gayest design choice ever >i never learned the match up, decline >i don't know how to deal with grapplers, decline >that's 4-6 against me, decline >i never win the mirror match, decline
your points should be on the line the second you have any information about the opponent
>your points should be on the line the second you have any information about the opponent
ordinarily i would agree with you but unfortunately it's way too easy to farm wins online by abusing the awful rule preferences system. if nintendo isn't going to balance the roster, and they're not going to add an unranked option to quickplay, AND they're not going to fix the putrid dogshit matchmaking, then the least they could do is let me pick and choose my own games. you cannot convince me that i deserve to lose GSP because i got matched into a lagswitching kazuya with 1 stock and stage hazards. it's not about dodging bad matchups, it's about dodging the people who are blatantly metamaxing and making the game as unfun as possible for everyone around them
GSP is the dumbest shit ever anon. It goes up automatically even if you don't play the character. I have characters I played online at release and never again, and they are over 11 million GSP. The real problem this shit isn't fun to play against and people take this game too seriously. You used to win at Smash by being an butthole with items, abusing stage hazards, using dumb gimmick moves like Jigs rest. Now it's some wanna be serious fighting game.
It sucks so much shit I don't think I'll be buying the next smash bros unless they legit fix the fact the game has been over run with tryhard gays obsessed with raising GPS and winning. If you think items and stage hazards and bullshit like isabel's fishing pole is unfair and gay and you don't want to play with it then play another fighting game and frick off tryhard nigges.
>If you think items and stage hazards and bullshit like isabel's fishing pole is unfair and gay and you don't want to play with it then play another fighting game and frick off tryhard nigges.
no thanks, I'm going to continue to play with my competitive ruleset because that is what I find fun, and I'm going to continue to shit on nintendo for not separating the casual and competitive playerbases into different matchmaking pools. honestly i fricking hate your style of playing but i still empathize with the people who want to play smash like a party game. the real problem is that nintendo can't make up their fricking minds, leaving ultimate as this indecisive wishy-washy mess of a game that wants to accommodate competitive players but forces them to mingle with everybody else in one of the worst online infrastructures i have ever witnessed. don't blame the players, blame samurai for abandoning the game while it was still clearly unfinished and never once listening to community feedback
Sakurai's obsession and obvious bias toward third party characters
>uhhh, Ganondorf can't change because the people who mained him since Melee might be sad he has a different moveset >Echo Clones? what's that? What do you mean I created that term? What do you mena I could just put Ganondorf's moveset on an Echo Clone? That's stupid. You're stupid! >... >Yeah, we just reconstructed Ultimate's entire coding so Steve can fit in in the game. >Yeah Kazuya has his entire moveset (hhyperbole) just because lmao. He even has his announcer for his win screen >.... >Hmm, people keep asking for a 4th Kirby rep. But I had nothing to do with those games beyond Air Ride??? What should I do?
Just missing Ike, Ice Climbers, Pyra & Mythra, and Sora. Not that I'm looking for the latter, but if I see him at a good price, I figure might as well.
What happened now and what’s your current Amiibo status?
NTA and I agree but it's a stretch to call many of Melee's characters quality. Some of them really border on unplayable even in casual play. Holy frick what are Pichu, Kirby, Mewtwo and Bowser.
>Just don’t play those characters???
Why even bother posting if you're just going to say something worthless? Don't you have something better to do with your time?
You anons would probably enjoy ulti more if you weren't trying your hardest to be contrarians.
There's some valid criticism here but the dumbest one I've seen is "There's too many characters" whether that be 3rd parties, sword fighters, pokemon or elsewise. Be serious for a moment, 50 characters you personally don't care for simply don't matter especially when there are 50 others that DO fit your personal standards
In a vacuum? Sure. But we dont live in a vacuum. There are finite development resources. I hate your retarfed dishonest argument. They could have spent the development time improving the single player. They could have spent the development time improving the online. They could have spent the development time improving existing characters and balance. Now frick off.
it matters when some of those characters are barely functional and others bend the game over their knee
sakurai insists on autistic micromanagement of every animation frame, which might work if the game has like 8 characters. not so much with 70
"Barely functional" and it's shit like Ridley's down B being ass. Get over yourself.
In a vacuum? Sure. But we dont live in a vacuum. There are finite development resources. I hate your retarfed dishonest argument. They could have spent the development time improving the single player. They could have spent the development time improving the online. They could have spent the development time improving existing characters and balance. Now frick off.
Could have.
Could have.
Could have.
We also don't live inside your imagination, anon. And as long as we're spouting our personal preferences, I happen to like where they alocated their resources.
You happen to be the one with no taste, languishing in an imaginary feast with no spice or wonder. I pitty thee whose palate has gone soft from the consumption of nothing but tendies
And why should anyone care about yours? There’s a reason Ultimate is the best selling Smash Bros. It was designed to appeal to as many people as possible with its wealth of content, and it succeeded in that regard. Not everything has to cater to your autistic sensibilities and every minute complaint you have.
It released on switch. Even MK8 which is second servings from the WiiU outsells Ultimate by a mile.
Sales arguments are moot when the Switch’s install base is gigantic by itself, regardless of the games.
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>Look up the sales >Smash as Franchise sold 74.97m copies >33.67m alone Ultimate >Brawl "only" at 13.32m despite Wii also having 100m units sold
eh. What's interesting is that basically every third game cube owner had melee.
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MK8 was also bundled with tens of millions of Switch consoles.
>it's shit like Ridley's down B being ass.
it's having no practical way to kill the opponent in a game where your moveset strictly needs low % and high % moves to function
but hey minecraft vs sephiroth therefore it's good. why bother having more than 1 attack per character? i just look at the character select, jerk off and then shitpost online anyway
Ludicrously generous input buffering.
Its actually stupid how you can hold shield at the start of your smash attack and just have your shield come out on the first frame after.
Input buffering should be like 5 frames at the absolute most, not fricking infinity.
This. I fricking hate how the optimal strategy is frequently to hide under a platform near the ledge for almost every character. Its cringe. If you do that shit you should be extremely punished for it.
Removing trophies and removing custom B/Special moves from Smash WiiU/3DS. I liked reading the flavor text of trophies and with a huge OST you can set the playlist and view like 800 of these frickers, miss trophies. Custom moves mean that moronic Down B counters for Pit, all Fire Emblem character minus Byleth, and MetaKnight have actual moves. Joker's counter makes me mad, he could've had something like a calling card that works like Sheik's own Side B. Or a random Persona that is summoned like Mr Game and Watch's special dice roll.
Total Down B special death /WHEN/ or bring back custom moves.
My bad Robin mains, he's unique and fun to use BUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUT the weapon durability hurts to main him. Why put all that effort when you can just unga bunga with Byleth's moves that have Hyper Armor and insane KO launches? Robin is like Pokemon Trainer in Smash, stamina fatigue made you switch the mons out. Robin would be my favorite Fire Emblem character to main if he didn't have to dance with his B special elemental tones. It adds flavor to his character and is true to the franchise but annoying, even his standard A Smashes are affected when he's out of B tome juice.
Because sword = bad regardless of who is holding it or how it's used or if it's even used at all
This is the average sword hater. They don't want characters, they want THEIR characters.
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See
>muh moveset
Dont care. He comes from the second shittiest FE game. Wasted slot, same with Byleth.
>the absolute kings of Nintendo Wario and Olimar in the very bottom
Japan has shit gay taste as usual, what else is new
Nips putting out some of the best content/media while also somehow having the worst, most garbage fricking taste imaginable will never stop being amusing to me.
>simon and richter that low
Japan has awful taste
Go asks Microsoft or Sony for their own Mascot Fighters, there you'll be safe from Japan existing.
Those are all Japanese invented characters in Japan you dumbass, this is the equivalent of if the Disney Star Wars Sequel trilogy or some shit comic like Marmaduke being the highest rated things in America
Nips putting out some of the best content/media while also somehow having the worst, most garbage fricking taste imaginable will never stop being amusing to me.
So, the people who the game is aimed at?
Like, the main audience for the normalgay Nintendo games aren't the old retro fans or people who use Smash as some Academy Award for Vidya.
Probably why Smash focuses so much on pushing new games through characters/ATs/stages/items (besides cross-promotion). The kids are more likely to have played new shit.
This one gives a better overview of the popularity from people who actually play the game
These are stats taking from Smashmate, the Japan equivalent of Smashladder, a system where you can match against others, get ranked, and hooked up in online tournaments.
His range got shorter, the hitbox for THE TIP is even smaller, and the twitchy gameplay with the lag and buffering and all that garbage makes his tippers rare/nonexistent when Lucina can just go unga bunga in comparison. THE TIP is far weaker in this game too.
Too much effort for too little.
Marth biggest problem isn't the tipper, but the loss of jab setups. Characters like Marth and Roy are inherently inconsistent characters, but the jab helps alleviate that. Marth is still a good character. Just not top tier. Imo, he was always an overrated character in Smash 4
I keep telling people that Roy is the most distinct of the FE Quad because his sourspot completely changes his combo game but the morons around me continue to insist that Marth/Roy/Chrom/Lucina are all the same character. It reminds me of when Brawl came out and everyone said that Wolf was a Fox clone despite him being overtly different. What is it about Smash Bros players and being incapable of recognizing clones?
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If the specials are slightly similar/the characters are aethetically similar, then a lot of people instantly default to 'waste of space clone'.
You even had people thinking Lucario was a Mewtwo clone.
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>Marth/Roy/Chrom/Lucina are all the same character.
Roy doesn’t have blue hair so that’s one thing that setting him apart from Marth and his stupid family. FE is a disgusting inbred mess.
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Lucina is a girl and has alts with different hair colors if you're going to be a homosexual like that
Usage rates aren't really perfect because you have cases where people play characters they don't like as much due to them being strong (or they work better/worse online).
>marth is a loser and rare >is the least used fire emblem character of them all
There's the justification to just reconfigure him as an alt with the other sword characters and not his own slot.
The best of all worlds would have Ultimates roster, Brawls single player, and Melee’s gameplay. A PM-like mod of Ult would solve two of these issues, I don’t know if it’s even possible to mod in new content like a story mode and shit.
>A PM-like mod of Ult would solve two of these issues
Hewdraw Remix does this and it's pretty good. Iit oversteps in reworking some characters but overall it's a good time.
I don't think a fan-made single player mode would be worth playing, or worth the effort creating.
I played it a bunch. Conker is my favorite addition to the game, he's a lot of fun and has a super creative moveset. I look forward to updates because the team clearly has a lot of passion for the project. I'll probably play it more when retroachievements supports the new version.
Slippy and Peppy have no business being as fun as they are, screw Sakurai for giving us the full team Star Fox playable when this mod clearly shows they can work.
Subspace Emissary was just Sakurai's magnum opus
It still has not been matched to this day
It's very much intentional, if you don't already know. 20 years later, Sakurai is still so butthurt that all of the Subspace cutscenes got ripped to YouTube that he has very deliberately never made cutscenes or story-focused single player modes since. It's why we now get the, cinematic very detailed "new fighter trailers" instead since those are meant to be shared on YouTube.
Of course. They just needed a few more buffs before the balance updates stopped. They're both important characters who deserve to be in, they just weren't well balanced
Without question, they were the most warranted fighters that managed to get introduced as fighters in Ultimate. And I say this despite falling for the "Ridley is too big" excuse until the very end.
The series lost its identity after Brawl, at best Smash 4 pre-DLC.
The entire crux of the series was a Nintendo crossover that mixed platforming with fighting. Ultimate felt like it gave up on Nintendo, opting to let in who ever in a never ending hype train.
The series also lost that Nintendo core through the removal of trophies and other unique features such as Chronicle.
The series focus on platforming also took a hit as it started focusing more on the core. We no longer get fun sides like Adventure Mode or Subspace, which gives the gigantic cast something to do. It is all about making it competitive, while simultaneously sucking at it. Should have just stayed a party game.
Online matchmaking is shit. I could deal with the shitty delay netcode. I did with Smash 4. But this fricking autism and homosexualry. >only can play battlefield form with no items 3 stock
Even if you set your own rules and just want to have fun these tryhard FE loving homosexuals show up all the time and you can't stop it. All these maps and items and characters and everyone wants to play battlefield with no items and the same 10 characters.
What really compounds it is how the game already favors zoners offline, and then you pair that with guaranteed 7 frame lag (more often closer to 12 online) and then anyone with projectiles or disjointed hitboxes just becomes moronic. It doesn't even feel good when you manage to beat them.
Making dlc characters pay to win. Also abundant of third party when several obvious first party inclusions were not in, destroying the soul and passion of the first three entries being a nintendo characters all star brawl. Also these third parties HAVING to bring in some lame gimmick that is dragged from their respective title because IT JUST HAS TO OKAY FAN SERVICE FAN SERVICE, only for it to be the sole reason of them being pay to win. Also lack of meaningful replayable single player content. Ultimate was at its best at launch then just slowly slid down a massive hill.
>ridiculous magnet hands >extremely binary offstage game >most recoveries are way too good >projectiles that are too powerful >too much reliance on moronic gimmicks on a lot of fighters that makes them lame to fight >input lag >hold buffer >confusing balance decisions >ridiculous hurtbox shifting
It's not a game I hate or, but sometimes it pisses me the hell off how any of this got past playtesting.
That sounds unfun though. I'm not a FOX ONLY FD guy but items in SBB4 and Ult are comically unbalanced and less fun than in previous entries. Also only being able to play 4-for-all is lame. Not even 2v2?
They took an extremely flawed system and replaced it with another one that has its own set of flaws. I think a lot of people also just liked jumping into 1v1s without a visible rank system. A lot of hypercompetitive people start to play like total homosexuals when there's rank points on the line.
It clearly separated the matchmaking pools. Ult sucks. Even if you like casual play, if you happen to gain enough GSP you can only play elite smash with that character and are condemned to 1v1s on two stages. It's so utterly moronic.
Tourneygays loathe items so they don't really clog up the scene, at most the rare breed who likes both and are decent at the game which, admitedly, is enough to already frick 90% of all casuals but items are so overbearing nowadays it can always just be volatile enough and amidst that already rare breed even fewer are there just to play FFA "optimally" (camp until someone looks at kill% and get the kill, focus on items, and so on)
Too much cheese tactics.
I love cheese
>too much cheese
Fricking lactose intolerants.
Steve
Ended balance patch support too early while the game balance was piss poor
Smash Ultimate is incredibly balanced.You can take any mid tier character and possibly make Top 8 at a major.
They had a good foundation with Melee and chose to forsake it because of Iwata-era Nintendo. Also the game has trash online, terrible input lag, and the DLC characters may as well not even be smash characters they are so gimmicky and lame.
>and the DLC characters may as well not even be smash characters they are so gimmicky and lame.
In this case Banjo and Sora are fine since they don’t even feel like DLC imo. I’d argue Inkling feels more like a DLC with the ink meter and the mechanic as a whole.
Sakurai didn't feel like taking a third dev-related trip to the hospital (that we know of anyways) to continue bloating an 80+ fighting game roster spanning the corners of videogame history. At least Ultimate ended on a high note this time with more fan-requested characters than ever before, instead of solely just the obligatory advertisements like 4 was reduced to being, was a fun ride to shitpost and play with.
Nintendo could have made Melee sequels for decades and Smeleegays would still find the tiniest reasons to not play them in favor of spending 80% of their hobby on Melee, just like CS1.6 and Quake fans but worse. PM (among other mods) still exists for the sane crowd wanting an improvement and Sakurai was understandably right to avoid that hole entirely.
With that said, I agree getting carried away with overpowered gimmicks for advertising purposes was also pretty fricking annoying. Hope whatever's next changes the formula up enough to do away with them... for a while at least.
>Nintendo could have made Melee sequels for decades and Smeleegays would still find the tiniest reasons to not play them in favor of spending 80% of their hobby on Melee
Preferring Melee doesnt mean you play competitively or all the time
Melee is better the same way OoT is better than Botw. You re just coping
why are tendie millennials so hyper fixated on the N64 and GC gens
they fricking sucked
Because it's the objective truth and you re too low IQ to get it. Play melee for ,a long time with your friends, you wont be able to go back and ultimate will turn into brawl, a fun thing to try character and stages, but gameplay wise you always back to Melee. it just feels better to play.
You people are just too obsessed with Melee.
same way im obssessed with 1.6 over csgo, OoT over Botw, FF7/9 over FF16, etc. They just were superior, the only reason you say we obssess is because you don't understand it, and youd rather think that we are obsessed than you just don't get it because it feels better
Nah, I nagged my struggling family to buy me a gamecube just for Melee. And still play it from time to time. And when my local Blockbuster closed I bought another copy just in case.
FF9 was a mess not even the engine could run the animations properly.
Came back to say Melee's intro and narrator are the ultimate kino and nothing ever came close to them ever since.
Music is also the best, later entries are just bloated with too many songs or uninspired arrangement so the good stuff ends up buried.
>Came back to say Melee's intro and narrator are the ultimate kino and nothing ever came close to them ever since.
It’s soulless how the announcer never screams out the name of the games after Melee, hell even Megaman ZX Advent a DS game has a character shout its name of the game upon entering the title screen.
That post also clearly outlined some of Melee's fandom to be more sane than others, which I also know myself from firsthand IRL experience with the community. The more asshurt pointing that out makes you, however, the more you prove it correct.
>objectively better
Sure the of-era nostalgia can't be replaced, but I prefer Project M "objectively" having an actual full viable roster and now-deliberate mechanics like you fans allegedly wanted, plus mod support to boot.
Delay-based netcode in a fast-paced platform fighter
Added Banjo and Sora and morons clapped for them because they're recognizable despite being from shit series that were never good
But enough about Joker and Byleth
Do you main Greninja Frogposter?
This, back then we had for fun and for glory, now with Ultimate we have ”for $20”
>smelee pedophile seethe thread
melee is free, fun to play, and has good online. slippi basically made this game irrelevant to everyone but rostergays
>have to pay a monthly fee to play ranked
yet it's still less of a scam than NSO. curious!
>paying for fanmade content
The absolute state of pedophiles
i don't pay for ranked because unranked is free. ranked is a scam but less of a scam than the official online for ultimate. hope that helps, ESL-kun.
Fizzi is a israelite and therefore a slave to his nature. In spite of this, slippi is still better than ultimate's online by a long shot and only costs money if you want to LARP as if netplay sets mean anything.
Don't you have to pay a monthly fee to play ultimate online in any capacity?
Isn't it like $20 for a year? If that amount even gives you a moment's pause, you're too poor for video games
no way
wait what the frick Slippi charges people a fee for that shit? Holy frick that is embarrassing
False. I'm one of the best players in the world (at least I judge myself as such by having beaten Abadango before which is more than any of you gays can say) and I will say with conviction that Ultimate is the best game in the series. I've been playing in locals since Smash 64 and I almost assuredly have more hours in every Smash game than anyone who would dispute me. Ultimate is the best Smash game. I'm better than you, I've played more hours in each game than you, I've faced better opponents than you, I'm older than you, and my opinion is worth more than yours due to my greater exposure.
I've beaten bobby big ballz and made him angry enough to scream "SHUT THE FRICK UP" at my friend who was cheering me on from the audience. Therefore my opinion means more than yours. Melee is better, ultimate sucks. Sorry.
Well in that case I'd really like to play against you but my shitty Australian internet means I can only have genuinely competitive matches in person. What was the matchup you won, out of curiosity? I beat Abadango's Greninja as Dedede, but to be honest I only won one match out of five (shit matchup though).
sheik v falco
Dang, I wasn't expecting you to say you beat his Falco. Nice work man.
He is up on me in sets though 3-1
Even winning one proper set is really good though, I only played Abadango in a bunch of friendlies. I'll take my one friendly win with a bottom tier character and will continue to brag about it though. The Smash scene in Australia isn't great due to our low population and poor internet so we all take our victories against globally famous players with a lot of pride.
SSE was a fricking boring waste of time we had to endure in order to unlock characters quickly. It is only enjoyed by people who were fricking children during Japan Time. Any effort spent on single player Smash Bros modes would be better spent on balancing the multiplayer.
>Abadango
Abadango hasn't been a relevant threat since Smash 4. It's a shame he hasn't gone back to Pac Man in Ultimate. Dude is too stubborn.
I'm not impressed, and ultimate is still shit.
I would 3 stock you. You still wouldn't be impressed, and you still wouldn't care. I just want you to know that I'd 3 stock you. Because I would, and I'd do so with one hand while talking to other people in the barcade and barely paying attention. I have a reputation, you see.
I would kiss you. You still wouldn't be impressed, and you still wouldn't care. I just want you to know that I'd kiss you. Because I would, and I'd do so with one hand while talking to other people in the barcade and barely paying attention. I have a reputation, you see.
I might care if you kissed with impressive skill. You seem intent on insisting that your kisses are forgettable though. How about you try kissing those insecurities behind.
>barcade
holy cringe
In America, yes. I've been sent to America for work. Barcades are pretty normal in EU/AUS
Nah, I'd win.
focused on roster instead of design
>Cutting most of the side content and neutering the modes that stuck around
>Spirits are wholly inferior to trophies and even stickers
>Gameplay heavily favors defensive/zoner archetypes
>The newly added stages are either too basic or too intrusive
>Assist trophies and poke balls are stupidly overpowered, if you summon Keldeo/Gray Fox/Rathalos its a guruanteed kill
Despite all this, I'd still say Ult is a very good game. Though I only ever boot it up when my younger nephews visit me.
>...and even stickers
How so? I feel like PNGs with a fight attached are at least more interesting than PNGs you can arrange in a shitty collage
A lot of these complaints sound similar to Smash 4 aside from the second point for obvious reasons. What were your thoughts on that game?
>Assist trophies and poke balls are stupidly overpowered, if you summon Keldeo/Gray Fox/Rathalos its a guruanteed kill
Items are also obnoxiously OP, spot all the OP items here, they should be nerfed back to Melee level
I play with items off for precisely this reason. I'm not really a sweaty "competitive gay", but the items are just so broken that they're not fun. It just becomes "first person to get the item wins"
Assist trophies and pokeballs also have HUGE priority over other items. They are CONSTANTLY spawning. The game is tragically unplayable with them on unless you want the match to revolve around them.
Samurai grew allergic to single player content after the SSE cutscenes leaked online. He also became much more spiteful and bitter.
then he could just not add any cutscene and make an improved melee adventure mode based on gameplay
Mediocre online and nintendo not allowing smash to be at evo
>Mediocre
You're being too kind. The online experience is one of the worst I've ever played. It all started with taking out FF/FG
An emphasis on the roster, over modes (1000+ event matches are neat, but doesn't make up for lack of board the platforms/ race to the finish/ adventure mode (melee/ sse)/ break the targets/ smash run)
The roster that made it sucks, yes, I'm glad a few never evers got in and crossed off many anon's roster bucket list, but I was so disappointed by almost all the additions that I'm at this point in favor for a hard roster reset
Also still being slower than melee
Also also online
I got other nitpicking, but those are the major ones that immediately came to mind
is this worth playing solo on ryujinx?
If you're a completionist, you're guaranteed 100s of hours
It's worth it to play on emulator in any capacity for smash. You have to sit through like 30 seconds of loading screens just to enter a match on real hardware. I exclusively play on yuzu and it's literally instant. so much better.
Wow someone should make a WEBM comparison just to shit on the physical crowd lol
I've never understood the appeal of single player fighters, but if that's your thing then sure - there's plenty of content to go through
Unironically not enough Mario
Based, where’s playable Paper Mario? We already got Game & Watch who is 2D
Also that Sticker Star Stage is absolute garbage
I think the first phase of the Paper Mario stage is fine despite its game of origin's lower quality and the second phase is kino. The Bowser phase ruins it. Not only does it double dip into Sticker Star to callback to a shitty level from it, but it's just a pain in the ass to play on. The music just being mainline music is lame as well.
I'm just sad the Mario RPG music is so lacking in general in Smash. Gritzy Desert, The Grand Finale, and Rogueport are the only interesting choices. Many games just get nothing, and a few others mostly just get basic battle music. The Dream Team battle arrangement is a letdown. They could have included either Superstar Saga battle arrangement from the 3DS, and instead added the lame Papercraft Battle theme despite its associated Spirit Battle not even going used. Worst of all is no Super Mario RPG music despite them getting Mallow and Geno Spirits in the base game. If nothing else changes next game, I'm at least hoping for some good music picks from TTYD, SMRPG, and TOK.
People grew out of it, and it's a milquetoast title. MK8 is the same way. Fun for a little, then you get autism filtered. Either you're some Nintendo psycho who continues to bing bing wahoo all the way to the top of the charts or you move on. Occasionally play it with friends.
A more meta-analysis answer would be COVID. Everyone stopped playing because you couldn't play in person anymore, and the hype train fell.
You know what amazes me about the whole COVID thing? they didn't double down on the online to capitalize on people being home.
>A more meta-analysis answer would be COVID. Everyone stopped playing because you couldn't play in person anymore, and the hype train fell.
This, also Byleth getting revealed right before COVID wasn’t the greatest decision.
Autism incoming. Here is everything
>No recovery on moves, especially aerials. Results in spamming unpunishable hitboxes. This single handedly ruins the game
>Almost every character moves too fast. There's basically no delineation in playstyles, everyone twitches around spamming moves
>Because of the above, the best strategy is to camp. Ironically it is campier than Smash 4 despite being "faster"
>DLC brainrot characters filled with comeback mechanics, absolutely moronic. Basically none of them are fun to fight
>Turd party dilution of the roster, especially in DLC
>Platforms feel like shit, your characters get stuck on them constantly, there's a huge delay when you're allowed to run off and do somwthing before you get a dash attack on the platform
>Insane input delay, even offline. Offline input delay is double Smash 4s, online is almost triple
>Mind bogglingly moronic online play. Your options are shitty lobbies, or """Ranked""" where you have to beg to get your ruleset. Smash 4 mogs Ult completely here
>No changing characters between games. A problem made even worse by the downpour of shitty matchups in the bloated badly designed game
>Roster bloat results in lots of oversights. Characters low profiling moves they really shouldnt, infinites, multiple 2-8 or worse matchups, god awful game
>Absolute worst community of zoomers in any smash game. Almost every single player is a 1 and doner, shuts down lobbies after a loss, plays like a b***h, etc. Many, many troony groomers
>Shitty single player modes. The big """""story""""" mode is glorified event mode with some admittedly cool boss fights. Mogged by all other Smash games except 64 in this department
>Archaic useless training mode
>Legacy characters completely forgotten or given half assed attempts at updates. Ganondorf is still shit and has almost nothing to do with his original incarnation
Above all else, the game just feels bad to play. The worst Smash game for multiplayer besides Brawl.
Based and truth-pilled, autismbro. Couldn't have said it better myself
>bangs
This. Even first party is too bloated. Don’t need 40 pokemon/fire emblem characters.
>muh roster "bloat"
literally every character ever returns and you homosexuals still b***h about "bloat" somehow. I want as many characters as possible and frick compgays like you and others wanting to ruin the game for everyone else. I'm glad Nintendo does its best to disassociate with the pedos that make up the game's "pro" scene. I hope they shut down more events just to piss you homosexuals off.
i already miss the rivals 2 beta.
based effortpost
That about sums it up. There's a good chance I won't even pick up the next Smash Bros if it keeps going in this direction. Especially since I know they're going to cut Ridley to make room for Fire Emblem Self Insert #39.
>Especially since I know they're going to cut Ridley to make room for Fire Emblem Self Insert #39.
Everyone begged for Ridley and then no one played him. If he gets cut in the next game it will be deserved.
This.
Don't blame the players. Blame whatever homosexual decided that Ridley needed ten years of startup and cooldown on most of his attacks. It's like his kit was actively designed to be super punishable in a speedy, spammy meta.
>Hey, let's make his Neutral B be a chargable projectile with an extra weakpoint for free hitstun. Then let's make sure he can't cancel, store, or otherwise act out of it like any other charge B. That sounds completely reasonable.
Agreed on all these points, Ridley deserves better in the next game.
That Fireball move SHOULD be able to be cancellable, acting out of it and stored for later use, also his down b is debatably the worst in the game it was probably made with free for alls in mind. Aerial down b could’ve been pogo tail.
>muh pogo tail
Holy shit when are you morons going to stop with this? It shouldn't have been the exact same animation as on the ground for sure but being the pogo would be fricking stupid. A diagonal tail stab like this move he does in Brawl would be much better, of course, without the tail dragging.
>players begged for Ridley and then no one played him.
bottom tier
>players begged for Banjo and then no one played him.
bottom tier
>players begged for K. Rool and then no one played him.
bottom tier
>players begged for Simon and then no one played him.
bottom tier
I absolutely hate the balance in this game. We finally got a lot of fan favorite characters in Ultimate only for most of them to be absolutely trash
people play k. rool, just not in tournies
smash mods and clones made me realise sakurai sucks at making movesets
You say this as if it's done intentionally, it wasn't.
At least I got a very good mileage out of every one of them.
No shit, I really enjoyed K.Rool, Simon and Ridley to a lesser extent.
But Banjo always sucked ass.
One of the few advantages with playing with friends instead of online or "competitive", these tiering shenanigans are less important.
I main Ridley.
Ridleys fairly popular, I see him online more than half the roster. If you mean competition, it's because he's awful.
die immediately
I'm expecting four or five of the previous Fire Emblem fighters to return next time. I can see the Marth clones cut in half, and one out of Corrin, Robin, or Ike out. No idea how they'll handle the newcomers. We're certainly getting at least one.
Ridley is lucky that Metroid is in a strong spot right now. I can't see them going back to just Samus anytime soon, so the only way I can really see Ridley not making it is if Zero Suit Samus gets overprioritized. As for usage, I believe Ridley is closer to the middle than the bottom, with some higher play in the west. Not a safe bet to keep him in, but also not damning.
I think next game will be the hardest to justify more than 4 fe reps, let alone any newcomers over some newcomers for other nintendo series
>as of engage, the series is seemingly on the decline
>series like pikmin, metroid, luigi’s mansion, and kirby are bigger than ever, getting more games on switch
>some forgotten nintendo franchises like famicom detective club, advance wars, another code, and endless ocean have all gotten comebacks on switch. Even fzero had a slight resurgence with 99
>somehow zelda still hasn’t recieved a new nonclone rep since melee
>donkey kong has been receiving a giant push recently even if not through games, though that could change soon
>this isn’t even getting into mario or pokemon and the plentiful amount of characters they could use for newcomers, as well as other nintendo series not represented much through the switch era
The fact that we don't even have Bandee or Magolor in minor roles as background characters or assist trophies is proof that Sakurai is actively avoiding including anything from modern Kirby after his tenure.
Yeah, it’s gonna be even more awkward if he does it again
Reminder that Forgotten Land didn’t get spirits even though they put stuff for Pikmin 4, Xenoblade 3, Splatoon 3, Pokémon Gen 9, Mario Wonder and Peach Showtime.
Engage didn’t get spirits either
Yeah, I think that was definitely bias showing. Part of me wants to see no new kirby stuff get into next game’s base game unless they’re from sakurai’s games simply to see how much outcry it would cause. I imagine the day nintendo actually forces a character like bandana dee, magolor, ado, or really any Kirby character from a non sakurai game into smash, sakurai will have to be held back with him kicking, screaming, and crying.
It is a notable omission, but I can at least see the logic why it was left out.
>Splatoon 3 and Xenoblade 3 both had new amiibo out shortly before the Spirit Event, so they could tie into that. Sometimes people forget associated amiibo unlock Spirits. Both had later DLC as well in 2023 and 2024.
>TotK, Pikmin 4, and Wonder were all EPD's own franchises and got new games in 2023.
>Princess Peach Showtime had incredibly lucky timing and could line up with the Mario Wonder Spirits.
>Pokémon is Pokémon.
Dumb as it sounds, I can see why Forgotten Land and Engage were ignored if they really were trying to limit what got in. One was an earlier 2022 title from HAL, and the other was an early 2023 title from Intelligent that seemed to not light up the world in sales or reception. I'm reserving judgment on Kirby until next game. If it doesn't even get a stage, I will finally have given up any leeway on Sakurai not being super biased against any game he didn't make. It outsold his first Kirby game.
I actually don't think highly of the timeline where Forgotten Land got spirits before 64 got any, so I'm sort of fine with that. Who'd they even use, anyway? FL's cast was pretty barren.
Elfilin, gorimondo, tropic woods, clawroline, beast dedede, sillydillo, ranger Kirby, drill Kirby, and all of Kirby’s mouthful modes
>Even fzero had a slight resurgence with 99
Even when I say I’m gonna get off and take a break from it, I still play a little extra longer. I’ve got 200+ hours clocked into it while MK8DX I’ve only played for 20 hours lol.
I think if they ever make another fzero, they should add a mode similar to 99
Zelda only has three characters, that’s the issue. If they had a midna-esque sidekick in the next game and it released before smash 6, I could see it
Midna should have been a Brawl newcomer. It would have been flawless timing. Now it can never happen because Twilight Princess is long irrelevant and they’ll likely choose someone from the BOTW or TOTK games due to their high sales and being synonymous with the Switch era.
>Fire Emblem Self Insert #39
This fricker really made a video about it too
>"controversy"
>it's just a handful of homosexuals pissed their "never evers" didn't get in
what a shocker
NTA but my biggest never-evers are in and I completely agree that post-Awakening FE became a disease on both Smash and its own developer. And it's mainly held up by a gacha no less.
>but Mario and Pokemon
Biggest videogame and media IP's respectively. Much more understandable, despite the latter's own damaged fandom.
Best post ITT
>No changing characters between games. A problem made even worse by the downpour of shitty matchups in the bloated badly designed game
Holy fricking shit this completely goes against the whole “Everyone is Here” thing, you got all these characters to choose from but you have to be stuck with one the whole time. This is one of the biggest sins of Ultimate, a lot more you listed. Also my pic related is an organized mod that you can’t do in the vanilla game.
This is almost perfect, but-
>3rd row starts with pokemon Trainer instead of Pikachu, the face of Pokemon itself
>It isn't relase order the franchises are ordered at
>Some villians/antagonists seem to be in a semi arbitrary order, with Ridley second to last, Bowser before Jr. and the Plant, and Mewtwo in the middle with only Inceneroar at the end, Dark pit in the middle
>Neither are clones/echoes in any sort of order
>Third parties start with Cloud instead of Sonic/Pacman/Megaman and/or Snake second
>Simon and the lead in the last row instead of some of the more relevant characters mentioned before
Miles better than the shitshow we have in Ultimate anyways.
While Marth belongs as the first one in the fifth row right now because of character bloat, I do hope in Smash Ultimate 2 electric boogaloo if FE Black folk get cut, a more proper franchise can take that spot, like DK, Metroid, Star Fox, or even Splatoon, assuming they get one or two newcommers be it a new original character and an echo/clone of some sorts, they do deserve it more than those blue haired homosexuals.
>3rd row starts with pokemon Trainer
not him but it seems to be by pokedex
Another thing that gets annoying is that you’re always sent to this boring ass plain ass looking waiting room when not playing with friends online, fricking soulless, compared to Smash 4 where you get sent to the stage you’re going to fight on.
trvth nvke
pisses me off when friends only want to play the new shiny smash game even know it's kuso
you will never be roman
and how does that effect you, sweaty?
i said roman, not woman, you putz
no shit
mmm yummy poo poo
>kuso
it's not, just admit you're trash, it's okay
>meaningless bullshit: the post
>bad animations
>ugly models
>stuttery gameplay (pauses when you hit someone is horrible)
>less average music quality, less orchestra and too much fan remix bullshit, less is more
>in general less fluidity, worse feeling when playing
If I didn't know better, I'd say you were talking about Brawl here.
The absolute horrible online compared to Smash 4 is something I'll never understand. They literally went in and made it worse on purpose.. for what reason? People were perfectly fine having their goof off rooms and srs bizness rooms separate, why the frick did they remove it?
input delay, even offline. Offline input delay is double Smash 4s, online is almost triple
That and the buffering is why I don't play this shit after playing Smash 4 competitively
I only have fun with rushdown playstyles like Samus or Roy but you're right, it's pretty flawed
Project M is still my favorite Smash gameplay wise but I hate having to keep a Wii set up
why did they make Andy so hot
>Samus
>Rushdown
Absolutely, if you're cool and know how to play as her
I have never seen a single Samus player that was cool. Not one. Across every game. Theyre alwrgic to center stage.
the frick? I panic if I don't have cozy center stage to chase around with
>Project M is still my favorite Smash gameplay wise but I hate having to keep a Wii set up
It emulates really well, I bring my laptop + GC adapter to locals to play with a buddy and whatever other oldboys show up.
worst community of zoomers in any smash game. Almost every single player is a 1 and doner, shuts down lobbies after a loss, plays like a b***h, etc. Many, many troony groomers
I think this makes the game unfixable.
you could do everything in your power to change and rework everything and the community would still be dogshit 1 and done then act like a b***h. EVEN THE GOOD PLAYERS WILL DO THIS SHIT ONSTREAM! Which makes it ten times more aggravating and unforgivable. They all act like it and no one calls anyone out except for playing sonic so why change?
you're way better off playing anything else.
I don't think I'll ever stop liking these games bros
>yum yum slop
standing against troony tyranny cannot be goyslop
That's just collateral damage from Nintendo being "anti-fun" and heavy handed in their moderation in general
removing troony shits will always be based, talking about games you dont play is cuckoldry, simple as
>Having such a troony problem you need an anti-troony task force
It's rather funny that Xbox and Sony pander to troons so hard, yet like flies attracted to shit, they all flock to Nintendo.
Pandering and begging for the attention of troons and being IGNORED by them is far more pathetic than taking their money and rightfully treating them like shit
Why does shit like this live rent free in Ganker‘s head?
if only they did this with splatroon
They do when it comes to the drawn posts in the plaza
it rewards people playing like the biggest fricking homosexual on characters I didnt even know it was possible to play as Black persony as they do
>DLC ruins the game
>single player isn't interesting in the slightest
>online is nearly unplayable
>lamest fricking playstyles imaginable make watching tourneys boring
If you have a local that isn't plagued with total homosexuals that camp as sonic/steve, it's fun to play. But that leaves everything else being complete ass.
>DLC ruins the game
it doesn't "ruin" anything, stay mad your character didn't get in
smash became a parody of itself once it stopped being purely nintendo characters and just became a great big advertisement for whatever upcoming release was happening at the time
there was novelty with sonic and snake in brawl but when you have things like final fantasy cloud, tekken kazuya, persona joker and FRICKING STEVE MINECRAFT then it's just fricking stupid
might as well just add master chief and leisure suit larry at that point
Chief would make sense over the ones you listed imo
no he fricking wouldn’t you moron
>FRICKING STEVE
Might as well add Fortnite and Genshin Impact
I really, really don't get it. I've gotten mad at games before, of course, but Smash Ultimate (and 4 for that matter) were the only ones that I have actually raged at. I think Ultimate is just that poisonous and backwards. It's fricking insane how it brings out the worse in me.
only game I've ever thrown a controller. I swear I'm chill too
absurd character balance and ruined online
and yeah it was very bad from the start. remember pokemon trainer? what a mess
I'll never understand anyone claiming this game is balanced.
Its statistically the least balanced Smash game, actually. In terms of percentage of characters winning and top 8ing, its less than 10%. Melee is in the 20s. Smash 4 was WAY more before Bayonetta and was still higher than that even after Bayonetta. Ult is poorly balanced and only defended by babbies who started with it. The only cool thing about Ultimate is Ridley and the Belmonts. And theyre all shit tier.
>and yeah it was very bad from the start. remember pokemon trainer? what a mess
qrd? I didn't play Ultimate at launch. What was broken about him?
Ivysaur. leaf blade was unstoppable spam that lead to combos and vine whip was a guaranteed hit from so many things including grab and started killing from 40% or so. down air meteor went through the entire stage on omega.
>tried ultimate's online
>didn't want to try 2v2 because I didn't want some poor soul being paired with me who doesn't know how to play
>figured four player free for all would be most ideal and fun for someone like me
>set that in preferences
>game ends up being a 1v1, because apparently "up two four players" can mean just two players, even if I clearly would have picked 1v1 if I wanted that
Is it really not possible to specify four player (or even just three player) free for alls? This online really does seem shit.
Do people even play 4vAll in ultimate? I feel like pretty much everyone is playing 1v1s, I haven't played an FFA since the first year. In Smash 4 you could hop on For Fun and mess around whenever you wanted and there were always games.
>Is it really not possible to specify four player (or even just three player) free for alls? This online really does seem shit.
Nope. It's not possible. All you get to set are your "preferred" rules, which gives you a greater chance of the matchmaking actually giving you what you want, but otherwise, it's random and based on the preferences of the other players as well
>Is it really not possible to specify four player (or even just three player) free for alls? This online really does seem shit.
We used to have choices in a video game rather than leaving it up to luck, frick Nintendo and Sakurai for downgrading smash.
you have to wait and play a few 1v1 games or 3player FFA games. however, the system does sometimes match you to 1v1 players, which means you'll only play 1v1 games.
you can tell if they're using 1v1 settings because you'll wait for a while before seeing the "get ready!" pop up in the corner. if the "get ready!" pops up like immediately, you need to rejoin.
if you really don't like 1v1s, you can have a nice day - AFTER letting them hit you once - every stock and then leave and wait a few seconds and rejoin.
once you get into a 4player FFA, you can play it pretty much forever and people will take any slots that leave unless you get unlucky
>Is it really not possible to specify four player (or even just three player) free for alls?
No. You can't even change characters without queueing up another opponent
Sakurai's ego
Pic related happened. It was over from there.
Good MOOOOOORNING, Ganker!
This was fine.
This was not. It didn't seem like that much of a problem at first, but issues started escalating as soon as Sora's initial hype was done. They should have at least gone to mid-2022 with patches, which sounds reasonable when you remember that even Smash 4 got at least one final patch after Bayonetta's release.
>This was not
Yes it was. Ruining characters to please the few is a moronic idea.
>Single-player was focused too much on one idea that was hit-or-miss among people.
>The netcode is a mess, and in a few regards somehow a downgrade from Smash 4.
>There's too many fighters that can end up feeling frustrating to face compared to previous Smash titles. Can attribute that to several issues.
I find most issues to be either minor or just nitpicking, and I think you can't go that far with criticizing the roster unless you factor serious bias or get real nitpicky. Ultimate it still a really good game, but the three general areas I pointed out are its biggest faults. A lot of other issues can be bounced off them in some fashion.
Ganondorf is still a clone, and even then his new sword is way too much fun to use. Also missing Brawl bosses. Besides that it's pretty much perfect.
its not either brawl 2 or melee remastered so its bad
What Assist Trophies do you want to see playable next time? So far its just Little Mac, an echo and a semi clone, whoops I meant Dark Samus and Isabelle.
>Isaac
>Alucard
>Shadow
>Zero
>Skull Kid
>Sukapon
Would all be nice to have.
I want fewer characters overall, but I'm still a GenoGOD, so I want him (especially since we just got the SMRPG remake). Other than him, I don't think there are that many notable omissions... although now that i'm looking at your pic, Skull Kid has potential too
I feel like they're going to add Waluigi as the new Nintendo Never Ever. It's basically a tie between him and Geno at this point.
Other than that, Bomberman and Shadow seem likely. I could also see Knuckles making the jump, though I'd rather have Tails or Eggman first. Skull Kid and Midna seem like they'd be likely candidates for promotion too.
>Start Match
>Opponent is a zoner/Rosalina
>Pokeballs and Assist Trophies turned on
>Hyper focuses on keeping you from getting any.
>Teabags as their CPU Army snowballs.
tingle
>skull kid or midna
>zero
>bomberman or alucard
>lyn or black knight
>shadow or knuckles
>isaac
>krystal
>even a retro or obscure character could be fun
hmm it seems to me that assist trophies were better additions than some of the roster, wow imagine that
She was an echo and not a unique fighter.
She used to have differences but they patched that out
Yeah, that doesn't change anything I said.
At least she's playable in some form, unlike Waluigi. An Echo isn't ideal but I'm just happy to have Daisy playable in Smash at all.
Doesn't mean shit when nobody uses her since everyone sticks to Peach.
My biggest problem is they didn't add descriptions to the spirits in the game. I wish they did, because then I probably would have played the story mode.
Wrong?
The most successful smash game of all time?
The frick you're smoking
Couldn't agree more, greatest Smash game ever for sure.
SE is going to negotiate with Sakurai to get clive on the roster in preparations for the switch successor and smash6
Online was unplayable. I bought this game on release and played about ten hours of online matches. Not a single match was without lag. Not one.
Returned the game few days later for full refund. What a piece of shit.
Meleegay coping thread
Why does Game and Watch's recovery not only make him completely invincible, but also deal damage, and have a float afterwards? Why is Sakurai so fricking moronic?
>one of my most requested first-parties was dark samus
>a villain with vastly different powers than normal samus
>turned into a lame samus clone
>one of my most request third-parties was a megami tensei rep
>got joker, a wild-card persona user who could use a variety of unique demons/personas for different abilities
>only uses arsene, it's some weird power-up thing that does not function at all how it does in the games, barely represents the franchise, not even a god damn jack frost mii costume
Frickin' come on man
Way too many 3rd parties, not evolving anything significant just minor tweaks, absolute dogshit online, not fixing anyone that needs to be fixed like ganondorf, unlocking content is just a tedious slog with zero surprise since they have to market everything, etc.
>fix Ganondorf
I don't like him in his current state either, but "fix" implies to me that something isn't working as intended. What do you think needs fixing?
NTA, but the fact that he's STILL a Falcon clone at this point is simply unacceptable. It's a moveset that doesn't fit his character at all, has never fit his character, and he's been bottom/low tier every single game which would sort of empirically show that what they're doing with him "doesn't work".
I like Melee Ganondorf a lot despite his lack of competitive viability, and I like that it gives him a slightly different identity, but I can understand that complaint. He's always an impressive physical specimen in the Zelda games, but he's seldom really shown using that physicality without some kind of weapon or magic.
I just struggle to think of what he'd do instead, especially since he differs so much between incarnations. I suppose more/different sword moves wouldn't be out of character, as he had a sword in OoT, TP and WW, but lord knows there are enough characters with sword movesets already. I could see him getting a Dead Man's Volley-type projectile with some mild homing capabilities, but it couldn't be spammable. I could see him getting some kind of float like Peach or a Mario Cape (like they kinda did in Project M, but neither ever felt useful enough imo)
a final smash where he draws his sword and have a sword moveset, neutral b infuse the sword with magic and instakill if you can connect, side b launches some magic ball like in OoT, and he can fly and levitate around around
the melee moveset is too fun to be removed. maybe add some magic shit on down b, and make down b into down A (coherent with up a being the explosive charged magic axe kick)
At least they gave him the sword for side smash or something.
Not that he ever did use that, I think it was some Spaceworld 2000 Link vs Ganondorf tech demo. I don't even think he even had it in any OoT artwork.
he got a sword in the twilight princess final battle as well but yeah it comes from the tech demo hence the sword in the victory animation in Melee
ultimate isn't allowed to have fun final smashes they must all be captain falcon final smashes now
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>that image
Despite its flaws this game still has sovl. This series makes me happy
If they ever made another story mode, I’d want banjo and sora to be paired together
>the worst characters paired together
But I clapped because they're from series I recognize!
Did your mother get assraped by a bear in Disneyland by chance too?
input lag
It feels like I'm playing underwater. If you can't feel it, you don't have the gene.
>DA CHAMPION GEEEEENE MLG MASTER RACE WE WUZ KANGZ
take a shower, smellee
Please do exercise, fatso. Your reactions and coordination shouldn't be this bad.
>esports requires harmony and balance of mind and body
you will never be a real martial artist, weeb
You literally just need hand-eye coordination and the ability to think on your feet. If you decided to rot instead of be active of course your abilities have deteriorated. Why would I want to adjust to stagnant slop instead of keeping my mind sharp? Might as well just roll slots all day.
>the only mod to fix this is a vsync disabling code which reduces lag by 1 (one) frame
I’m more than satisfied with the roster, stage list, items and added gameplay quirks like balloon knockback. It’s my go-to Smash Bros to play with friends, but it’s definitely lacking in single player modes. For me the worst exclusion is a proper All-Star mode instead of just another variation of Multi-Man. Spirits are also less fun than trophies, at least have a little description or blurb like trophies did to add a little soul, yknow.
No Crash Bandicoot, No Leon Kennedy, No Lara Croft.
>Crash Bandicoot
Garbage meme character with boring moveset potential.
When someone asks for Crash, it's clear that they are just a rostergay that doesn't play the game.
>Motorcycle
>Tornado spin
>Bazooka
>Kart items
Sounds like you don't play the games since he has more than enough to pull from for a good moveset compared to others
>Motorcycle
Wario's side B
>Tornado spin
Incineroar's neutral B
>Bazooka
Generic projectile move
I played most Crash games and yes, he is boring.
But that clearly doesn't matter to you, because you don't play Smash.
>Putting some of the best moves in the game all into one character is le bad
You can make piss baby statements like that about every character in the game
A lot of things.
The roster is dogshit. There’s way too many characters and a good chunk of then are either uninspired, gimmicky, or poor representations of who they are as characters.
There’s also the problem of gameplay. Smash 4, at mid level, is better in every conceivable metric. It’s a lot more bullshit and unbalanced but that makes it infinitely more fun. I miss being able to fly off the stage with a reverse falcon punch and actually land it. You die even for trying that in Ultimate. Not to mention the focus on defensive play and zoners as well as how stiff everything feels. It’s not good.
The lack of modes was bad too. How I can still get mileage out of Brawl’s side content is beyond me, but I really can. As opposed to Ultimate where I don’t feel as inclined. It was a step up from Smash 4 but it wasn’t enough. Sakurai needs to bite the bullet and make Subspace 2.
Last, the third parties. Awful. Inclusions like Hero and Banjo felt necessary, but what the frick is Joker doing in this game. Why is Terry in there before like 7 other FGC characters. Why does Final Fantasy have two characters and neither of them are Terra. Why a lot of things. Go back to focusing on Nintendo stuff, please. And replace Joker with an actual SMT character, jesus.
Best Smash game they ever made.
Die mad
>Brawl
>Have a brand-new adventure featuring all the characters with intricate stages that don't overstay their welcome
>Oh cool
>SmashU
>REMEMBER GOOMBELLA
>Well uh yeah actually I d-
>REMEMBER GENO
>Where are the stages? These load times are abysm-
>REMEMBER DONKEY KONG COUNTRY
>Shut up!
>REMEMBER STREET FIGHTER II
>SHUT UP!!!
people don't appreciate brawl anymore, i blame evo 2013 for turning the smash fanbase to shit and the series itself has only pivoted to match that
Brawl was the last time I truly enjoyed Smash. Tourneygays don't enjoy games.
just like the old meme says
Brawl felt like shit but god damn it was packed with good content and character picks
https://twitter.com/ChianMajo5372/status/1785942659854709025
Not enough of Zelda's ass
>have all these characters
>have nothing to do with them besides vs matches
Worst input lag of the series PLUS humungus amount of buffer frames. HDRemix improves the game a lot but that lag ruins it
>googles hdremix
>it's another project m episode
yawn
>he fell for the clickbait
it's not
Nothing, stop b***hing and git gud
Masahiro Sakurai. That is all. He cannot do everything on his own and it shows. As soulless as a corporate-driven Smash would be (spoiler alert, it's been that way since Brawl), I would probably trust some suits to decide the roster over Sakurai. It's clear he's become the one thing people thought he was fighting against. The lack of substantial modes, The underutilized features, the overall feeling of the game itself since Brawl, Sakurai's own personal preferences and tastes and the need to push for quantity over quality (1000+ pngs show how small the roster really is) tells me that Sakurai really doesn't have it in him to do Smash anymore, but Smash is a guaranteed payout and I won't fault him on that one, but it's time to pass the torch.
the dlv is all third party and fire emblem and recent release nintendo games specifically because suits decided them. third party = more sales, or so they think.
the only one picked by sakurai was plant
Another spoiler. Sakurai is one of those said suits.
As someone who loved anime boys and Fire Emblem, Ultimate made me loathe every one of them.
At least Roy is good now.
They were cool back in Melee and Brawl, back when they and Snake were among the few non-whimsical Smash characters (or the embarrassment that was being a Sanicgay) back in the edgy dudebro 00's. By the time we had self-insert footgay MC's that charm was long fricking gone unfortunately.
If you asked me during Brawl days if I'd like Cloud and Sephiroth that would be a yes.
But when you get Cloud. And Sephiroth. And Marth. And Roy. And Ike. And Corrin. And Chrom. And Hero. And Byleth.
In a series about Nintendo all-stars. Then you look back at 64 and Melee and somehow they feel more comfy than the current one despite having a couple of characters.
Feels like some sort of monkey paw gotcha. I could never foresee having more characters would make me dislike Ultimate by the end.
>Then you look back at 64 and Melee and somehow they feel more comfy than the current one despite having a couple of characters.
Quality over Quantity
NTA and I agree but it's a stretch to call many of Melee's characters quality. Some of them really border on unplayable even in casual play. Holy frick what are Pichu, Kirby, Mewtwo and Bowser.
>Holy frick what are Pichu, Kirby, Mewtwo and Bowser.
I mean it's the same situation with Ultimate. Characters like Mac or Ganondorf can't compete at a high level against the better characters, but talented mains might see success at smaller regional scenes. None of Melee's low tiers barring Bowser really even feel bad to play and have a lot of unique gimmicks to them. Mewtwo being a standout example.
Character attrition in general will pretty much do that regardless of which fandom boat you're riding in. Once you're nearing a hundred playable fighters it begins to feel less special and more like another arbitrary base that needed covered (like finally getting more villains like Rool and Ridley) since by Ultimate's end getting even M-rated Microsoft IP's was within possibility, and by then the fandom is fractured in priorities. Hell even Banjo being an N64-era appeaser decades after Smash 64 was enough to cause a schism with newbie fans who wanted only newer and shinier protagonists instead of what they considered an untimely pittance.
I guess I'm just lucky to be in the camp that's happy at all to finally get those kinds of characters, having played the series since the beginning. Now I can lean more into wanting something new out of the gameplay moreso than just completing a childhood circle.
Everyone loved marth roy ike, a fair balance of the FE series and they contrasted well with the other Nintendo characters. Sakurai then proceeded to go whole hog on animeish humans
>Lucina got picked because the FE Roster was a sausagefest before her
It’s hilarious how the only female representation for FE is Girl Marth and Femvatars when you got actual cool female protagonists characters like
Tiki
Celica
Lyn
Erika
Micaiah
Azura
Edelgard
Hell even fricking Anna who’s in every game.
nothing except for the dogshite online
Nothing went wrong.
Just some meele cucks setheeting as usual.
>shitty balloon launching physics
>half the characters are gimmicks (most of whom are annoying to play against win or lose)
>feels like they tried to add some speed into the gameplay but not enough to make it feel like Melee, ends up feeling awkward
>jumping feels weird
>all the other complaints ITT
>shit DLC (including Steve, Sora, Byleth and Sepiroth)
>shit "story" mode
>fans are either pedos, weirdos or both
>tournaments are full of LWs who I couldn't give a shit about and have no personality outside their Discord meme culture.
Honestly Smash 4 was a better game but of course because it was unbalanced and was on WiiU/3DS it's a black sheep. Same shit happened with Mario 3D World, bad Mario game until it moved to Switch (for the record it's not a good Mario Game).
based
don't forget half the characters have a counter special
kek
Down + B = Counter was a mistake.
I still love Marth & Roy.
Sora was a monkey paw in that regard
That too but that's a carryover from previous games.
Melee is just better
>Multiplayer
bad because nintendo
>Single Player
downgrade of the latest games
It's a great game but its appeal is diminishing these days. It's still a better party game than mario party.
I bought Ultimate, tried it for a few games, then dropped it because it felt like my character did a move a solid quarter second after I pressed the button. That's fricking bullshit, you already need to be anticipating your opponent's moves and I don't have the patience nor the clairvoyance to compensate for a moronic input delay on top of that.
>let's not give a shit about balance
>game immediately dies the moment the DLC ends
Seems about right
>reading this thread full of valid complaints will well put reasoning
>Ultimate is still my favorite anyways because it has the most shit in it
I'm casual as frick when it comes to Smash, I just frick around with the offline stuff, play it with some friends occasionally then drop it. The fact that I can have Terry, Ryu and Kazyua in the same match is fricking crazy and makes it 10/10 for me.
Just means you're chill and well-adjusted when approaching why you like certain vidya. So long as you have a respectable line of standards, there's nothing wrong with avoiding the opposite camp of bashing people over a videogame not being 200% perfect.
My point is just the contradictory feeling of getting 90 characters and a lot of content in the end didn't feel as satisfying as I thought it would be.
It doesn't mean I think Ultimate is shitty and bad or whatever. It's still the #1 game I play with friends when we finally get together nowadays.
Some DLC choices really were either weird, bad or just plain stupid.
I'm much happier with the DLC we got than what anons were fearfully predicting during launch. Sure half is still all JRPG's as expected, but most didn't expect the level of heavy hitters we got as opposed to solely the former, or as oddly specific and autistic as Grinchgays wanted.
>Joker
Pick some SMT protagonist, if one at all, idk if any of them would warrant sales as a Persona character did
>Hero
Cool pick, if there were fewer anime boys
>Banjo
Past due time, should've gotten better moveset
>Terry
haters btfo, great addition
>Byleth
Current Fire Emblem advertising, tolerable
>Min Min
Switch game advertising, tolerable
>Steve & Alex
I'm too old to give a frick or know what they are
>Sephiroth
Either pick him or Hero, could've gone with another Square character
>Pyra/Mythra
Weird anime balloon breasts characters I don't know much about, Bayonetta covered my horny quota already
>Kazuya
Nice pick
>Sora
Why?
>Style Over Substance: The Game
Ult is a deceptively shallow game, lacking basic features and featuring poorly designed movesets (from a gameplay perspective). The online play was inexcusable, both due to NSO and the modes / matchmaking options. Even the UI sucked; the rules selection, in particular, makes playing around with the rules in casual matches a pain in the ass.
This video basically sums up all of my complaints
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Nintendo's crappy online service, WoL is just ok, and the competitive community is total dogshit. Everything else about the game is fine except for getting rid of trophies. Perfectly fun local game with friends imo.
They nerfed Ivysaur
Why was Brawl the last soulful Smash Bros?
>favorite characters are Banjo and Sonic
>they both aren't really fun to play as
>zoomers constantly talk shit saying no one wanted these characters/no one plays them
Like at this point, even by some miracle if they changed sonic & banjo I don't think I want to even play the game anymore
Sonic is just too fast and just spins. Ironic because that's a very sonic thing, but it doesn't make him a fun character to play as.
Nothing. It's the best Smash to date and better than melee.
I'll always love Sakurai for making it happen.
Vaniabros were feasting that day.
Yep imagine debuting with 2 Reps
Not even Sonic could get 2, kek
No momentum
Baloon physics
Extreme input delay (this is more of a Switch being shit hardware issue to be fair)
Awful netcode and online game modes
Annoying ways of customizing your game (need to make individual rule sets for even a single change)
and many more but I can't be assed to ponder on them, I abandoned this game years ago.
The competitive community.
Smash is a game with a ton of content, fanservice, variety and gamestyles. But it's impossible to play online in anything less than boring flat stages with no items and neckbeards who analyse frame data
It's funny because I would never, ever play against people like you if I was given the option. I'm happy with my competitive ruleset but 9 matches out of 10 I am forced to put my rank on the line against some homosexual with party game rules and a 3 minute timer. I don't want to play against them and they don't want to play against me, so why not give players the option to filter out certain rulesets entirely? Better yet, do something like what guilty gear strive does and let me see what character/settings my opponent is using BEFORE the match starts so I can simply dodge them if I don't feel like playing against them
>let me see what character/settings my opponent is using BEFORE the match starts
this is the gayest design choice ever
>i never learned the match up, decline
>i don't know how to deal with grapplers, decline
>that's 4-6 against me, decline
>i never win the mirror match, decline
your points should be on the line the second you have any information about the opponent
>your points should be on the line the second you have any information about the opponent
ordinarily i would agree with you but unfortunately it's way too easy to farm wins online by abusing the awful rule preferences system. if nintendo isn't going to balance the roster, and they're not going to add an unranked option to quickplay, AND they're not going to fix the putrid dogshit matchmaking, then the least they could do is let me pick and choose my own games. you cannot convince me that i deserve to lose GSP because i got matched into a lagswitching kazuya with 1 stock and stage hazards. it's not about dodging bad matchups, it's about dodging the people who are blatantly metamaxing and making the game as unfun as possible for everyone around them
GSP is the dumbest shit ever anon. It goes up automatically even if you don't play the character. I have characters I played online at release and never again, and they are over 11 million GSP. The real problem this shit isn't fun to play against and people take this game too seriously. You used to win at Smash by being an butthole with items, abusing stage hazards, using dumb gimmick moves like Jigs rest. Now it's some wanna be serious fighting game.
It sucks so much shit I don't think I'll be buying the next smash bros unless they legit fix the fact the game has been over run with tryhard gays obsessed with raising GPS and winning. If you think items and stage hazards and bullshit like isabel's fishing pole is unfair and gay and you don't want to play with it then play another fighting game and frick off tryhard nigges.
>If you think items and stage hazards and bullshit like isabel's fishing pole is unfair and gay and you don't want to play with it then play another fighting game and frick off tryhard nigges.
no thanks, I'm going to continue to play with my competitive ruleset because that is what I find fun, and I'm going to continue to shit on nintendo for not separating the casual and competitive playerbases into different matchmaking pools. honestly i fricking hate your style of playing but i still empathize with the people who want to play smash like a party game. the real problem is that nintendo can't make up their fricking minds, leaving ultimate as this indecisive wishy-washy mess of a game that wants to accommodate competitive players but forces them to mingle with everybody else in one of the worst online infrastructures i have ever witnessed. don't blame the players, blame samurai for abandoning the game while it was still clearly unfinished and never once listening to community feedback
Sakurai's obsession and obvious bias toward third party characters
>uhhh, Ganondorf can't change because the people who mained him since Melee might be sad he has a different moveset
>Echo Clones? what's that? What do you mean I created that term? What do you mena I could just put Ganondorf's moveset on an Echo Clone? That's stupid. You're stupid!
>...
>Yeah, we just reconstructed Ultimate's entire coding so Steve can fit in in the game.
>Yeah Kazuya has his entire moveset (hhyperbole) just because lmao. He even has his announcer for his win screen
>....
>Hmm, people keep asking for a 4th Kirby rep. But I had nothing to do with those games beyond Air Ride??? What should I do?
Why Dark Pit didn't have the moveset of PIT from Brawl? Sakurai made the guy an exact clone of the regular Pit. Jesus Christ.
people who think ultimate is worse than brawl or 4 are out of their fricking minds
Dlc loving homosexual
cry more Black person
Ultimate is dog shit. Look at this trash lmfao. Easily the worst Smash game
Do you guys have all the Amiibo?
Do you wish Zelda and Ganondorf got their updated designs as Amiibo?
all I'm missing is
Daisy
Pichu
Red
Mii Swordfighter
Ken
Hero
Just missing Ike, Ice Climbers, Pyra & Mythra, and Sora. Not that I'm looking for the latter, but if I see him at a good price, I figure might as well.
I regret not selling my Villager when he was going for 300$
What happened now and what’s your current Amiibo status?
Just don’t play those characters???
>Just don’t play those characters???
Why even bother posting if you're just going to say something worthless? Don't you have something better to do with your time?
Only have like 28 amiibos. And yes I wish we got redesigned Ganondorf
You anons would probably enjoy ulti more if you weren't trying your hardest to be contrarians.
There's some valid criticism here but the dumbest one I've seen is "There's too many characters" whether that be 3rd parties, sword fighters, pokemon or elsewise. Be serious for a moment, 50 characters you personally don't care for simply don't matter especially when there are 50 others that DO fit your personal standards
In a vacuum? Sure. But we dont live in a vacuum. There are finite development resources. I hate your retarfed dishonest argument. They could have spent the development time improving the single player. They could have spent the development time improving the online. They could have spent the development time improving existing characters and balance. Now frick off.
it matters when some of those characters are barely functional and others bend the game over their knee
sakurai insists on autistic micromanagement of every animation frame, which might work if the game has like 8 characters. not so much with 70
"Barely functional" and it's shit like Ridley's down B being ass. Get over yourself.
Could have.
Could have.
Could have.
We also don't live inside your imagination, anon. And as long as we're spouting our personal preferences, I happen to like where they alocated their resources.
Thats because you have no taste and enjoy slurping up slop whenever you can. Why should anyone care about your opinion? Now frick off, redditor.
You happen to be the one with no taste, languishing in an imaginary feast with no spice or wonder. I pitty thee whose palate has gone soft from the consumption of nothing but tendies
And why should anyone care about yours? There’s a reason Ultimate is the best selling Smash Bros. It was designed to appeal to as many people as possible with its wealth of content, and it succeeded in that regard. Not everything has to cater to your autistic sensibilities and every minute complaint you have.
It released on switch. Even MK8 which is second servings from the WiiU outsells Ultimate by a mile.
Sales arguments are moot when the Switch’s install base is gigantic by itself, regardless of the games.
>Look up the sales
>Smash as Franchise sold 74.97m copies
>33.67m alone Ultimate
>Brawl "only" at 13.32m despite Wii also having 100m units sold
eh. What's interesting is that basically every third game cube owner had melee.
MK8 was also bundled with tens of millions of Switch consoles.
>appeal to the masses
Discarded
>muh sales
>it's shit like Ridley's down B being ass.
it's having no practical way to kill the opponent in a game where your moveset strictly needs low % and high % moves to function
but hey minecraft vs sephiroth therefore it's good. why bother having more than 1 attack per character? i just look at the character select, jerk off and then shitpost online anyway
Ludicrously generous input buffering.
Its actually stupid how you can hold shield at the start of your smash attack and just have your shield come out on the first frame after.
Input buffering should be like 5 frames at the absolute most, not fricking infinity.
I don't have anyone to play with irl anymore so I don't own ultimate.
Smash was never good
Anon was always funny
the ledge is too OP either return to melee ledge or limit ledge regrabs to like 5 per minute or something aggressive
Next Smash shouldn’t be too generous and make being off stage actually scary, remove magnet ledge grab
What characters do you play?
This. I fricking hate how the optimal strategy is frequently to hide under a platform near the ledge for almost every character. Its cringe. If you do that shit you should be extremely punished for it.
Didn’t fix any of Tr4sh’s problems because it was too focused on the bloated meme roster
Are its problems that it isn’t similar enough to melee?
rent free
Answer the question, nimrod
I'm not him
Removing trophies and removing custom B/Special moves from Smash WiiU/3DS. I liked reading the flavor text of trophies and with a huge OST you can set the playlist and view like 800 of these frickers, miss trophies. Custom moves mean that moronic Down B counters for Pit, all Fire Emblem character minus Byleth, and MetaKnight have actual moves. Joker's counter makes me mad, he could've had something like a calling card that works like Sheik's own Side B. Or a random Persona that is summoned like Mr Game and Watch's special dice roll.
Total Down B special death /WHEN/ or bring back custom moves.
>Robin Status : Completely forgotten
To be fair Robin is pretty forgettable.
My bad Robin mains, he's unique and fun to use BUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUT the weapon durability hurts to main him. Why put all that effort when you can just unga bunga with Byleth's moves that have Hyper Armor and insane KO launches? Robin is like Pokemon Trainer in Smash, stamina fatigue made you switch the mons out. Robin would be my favorite Fire Emblem character to main if he didn't have to dance with his B special elemental tones. It adds flavor to his character and is true to the franchise but annoying, even his standard A Smashes are affected when he's out of B tome juice.
So all these generic anime b***hes aside, did Byleth really overshadow Robin?
I don’t get why people hate Corrin specifically, they have a pretty unique moveset.
>muh moveset
Dont care. He comes from the second shittiest FE game. Wasted slot, same with Byleth.
Because sword = bad regardless of who is holding it or how it's used or if it's even used at all
This is the average sword hater. They don't want characters, they want THEIR characters.
See
For a live example
Reminder that you're not getting rid of FE, westgays.
Jesus Christ no wonder the roster picks were awful. Frick Japan
Go asks Microsoft or Sony for their own Mascot Fighters, there you'll be safe from Japan existing.
Those are all Japanese invented characters in Japan you dumbass, this is the equivalent of if the Disney Star Wars Sequel trilogy or some shit comic like Marmaduke being the highest rated things in America
>the absolute kings of Nintendo Wario and Olimar in the very bottom
Japan has shit gay taste as usual, what else is new
Ness and Lucas are my homies that’s really all I care about
Nips putting out some of the best content/media while also somehow having the worst, most garbage fricking taste imaginable will never stop being amusing to me.
>simon and richter that low
Japan has awful taste
I blame the Belmont physics
Doesn’t mean the fat can’t and shouldn’t be trimmed, also you will never be Japanese, wannabe weeb.
Japan is based. Better FE character on top, Terry on top etc.
Reminder that this poll was based on feedback from middle school aged children.
That's the only way polls should ever be done: for the game's primary demographic. Everyone else's opinions (mine included) can kick bricks
So, the people who the game is aimed at?
Like, the main audience for the normalgay Nintendo games aren't the old retro fans or people who use Smash as some Academy Award for Vidya.
Probably why Smash focuses so much on pushing new games through characters/ATs/stages/items (besides cross-promotion). The kids are more likely to have played new shit.
This one gives a better overview of the popularity from people who actually play the game
These are stats taking from Smashmate, the Japan equivalent of Smashladder, a system where you can match against others, get ranked, and hooked up in online tournaments.
>That Duck Hunt win rate
What the frick lol
idk how they do it Duck Hunt is really tough to get good at
>Marth sucks ass AND nobody plays him
Am i reading this correctly?
lucina is strictly better despite being easier to play
His range got shorter, the hitbox for THE TIP is even smaller, and the twitchy gameplay with the lag and buffering and all that garbage makes his tippers rare/nonexistent when Lucina can just go unga bunga in comparison. THE TIP is far weaker in this game too.
Too much effort for too little.
Marth biggest problem isn't the tipper, but the loss of jab setups. Characters like Marth and Roy are inherently inconsistent characters, but the jab helps alleviate that. Marth is still a good character. Just not top tier. Imo, he was always an overrated character in Smash 4
I keep telling people that Roy is the most distinct of the FE Quad because his sourspot completely changes his combo game but the morons around me continue to insist that Marth/Roy/Chrom/Lucina are all the same character. It reminds me of when Brawl came out and everyone said that Wolf was a Fox clone despite him being overtly different. What is it about Smash Bros players and being incapable of recognizing clones?
If the specials are slightly similar/the characters are aethetically similar, then a lot of people instantly default to 'waste of space clone'.
You even had people thinking Lucario was a Mewtwo clone.
>Marth/Roy/Chrom/Lucina are all the same character.
Roy doesn’t have blue hair so that’s one thing that setting him apart from Marth and his stupid family. FE is a disgusting inbred mess.
Lucina is a girl and has alts with different hair colors if you're going to be a homosexual like that
Banjo being good or bad is the million dollar question. He seems to have really good results
Usage rates aren't really perfect because you have cases where people play characters they don't like as much due to them being strong (or they work better/worse online).
>implying competitive is a good metric when top tiers will be over-represented
>marth is a loser and rare
>is the least used fire emblem character of them all
There's the justification to just reconfigure him as an alt with the other sword characters and not his own slot.
I need Axel Stone in the next one.
We so badly need a beat-em-up character. I’d also settle for Kunio-kun from River City
I've never tried River City. What's the best one to play?
River City Underground and River City Girls are pretty good
>River City Girls
oh hey, wayforward. I'll keep an eye out for it when it's on sale
I want a Rhythm Heaven Rep
I want Phantasy Star Alis
Remove Square Enix's 4 trash characters
This company has no future
>online sucks
>shitty single player content
Getting Bamco involved.
Half the roster is blatant copy-pastes of other characters and everyone feels too "samey"
Too many UI gimmicks
Too many anime swordspeople
Too many down-B counters
Worse graphics than Smash 4
The best of all worlds would have Ultimates roster, Brawls single player, and Melee’s gameplay. A PM-like mod of Ult would solve two of these issues, I don’t know if it’s even possible to mod in new content like a story mode and shit.
I don't like Melee's gameplay.
>A PM-like mod of Ult would solve two of these issues
Hewdraw Remix does this and it's pretty good. Iit oversteps in reworking some characters but overall it's a good time.
I don't think a fan-made single player mode would be worth playing, or worth the effort creating.
Anyone try Smash Remix? It is my favorite version of Smash at the moment
I played it a bunch. Conker is my favorite addition to the game, he's a lot of fun and has a super creative moveset. I look forward to updates because the team clearly has a lot of passion for the project. I'll probably play it more when retroachievements supports the new version.
>I look forward to updates
>he doesn't know
Let me cope, homosexual.
Slippy and Peppy have no business being as fun as they are, screw Sakurai for giving us the full team Star Fox playable when this mod clearly shows they can work.
Did you watch the cut content video
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Crazy how Dark Samus lucked out and others like Boshi, DK Jr, and other possible clones were passed off in favor of her
Sucks we didn’t get to see cool in game story teams like Brawl
Subspace Emissary was just Sakurai's magnum opus
It still has not been matched to this day
Interesting pairings, anyone?
Someone mentioned Banjo & Kazooie with Sora, I bet that'd be interesting. Sonic/Megaman would've been kinda cool
>Interesting pairings
The Pirate Trio
Toon Link
K. Rool
Hero Eight
Makes me wish Captain Syrup was playable
It's very much intentional, if you don't already know. 20 years later, Sakurai is still so butthurt that all of the Subspace cutscenes got ripped to YouTube that he has very deliberately never made cutscenes or story-focused single player modes since. It's why we now get the, cinematic very detailed "new fighter trailers" instead since those are meant to be shared on YouTube.
Were these two worth including after all?
Of course. They just needed a few more buffs before the balance updates stopped. They're both important characters who deserve to be in, they just weren't well balanced
Yes.
And them being "bad" is not an excuse, considering how Ganondorf has been the defacto worst character in the game, three entries in a row.
Ganon and K.Rool are decently popular from what I've seen. Ridley is rare to see for me through.
Without question, they were the most warranted fighters that managed to get introduced as fighters in Ultimate. And I say this despite falling for the "Ridley is too big" excuse until the very end.
The series lost its identity after Brawl, at best Smash 4 pre-DLC.
The entire crux of the series was a Nintendo crossover that mixed platforming with fighting. Ultimate felt like it gave up on Nintendo, opting to let in who ever in a never ending hype train.
The series also lost that Nintendo core through the removal of trophies and other unique features such as Chronicle.
The series focus on platforming also took a hit as it started focusing more on the core. We no longer get fun sides like Adventure Mode or Subspace, which gives the gigantic cast something to do. It is all about making it competitive, while simultaneously sucking at it. Should have just stayed a party game.
Smash lacks gay characters
Ike has never been gat. Priam btfos all the homosexuals.
Ike kinda ruins this since he’s not a villain, should’ve been Ganondorf
Online matchmaking is shit. I could deal with the shitty delay netcode. I did with Smash 4. But this fricking autism and homosexualry.
>only can play battlefield form with no items 3 stock
Even if you set your own rules and just want to have fun these tryhard FE loving homosexuals show up all the time and you can't stop it. All these maps and items and characters and everyone wants to play battlefield with no items and the same 10 characters.
What really compounds it is how the game already favors zoners offline, and then you pair that with guaranteed 7 frame lag (more often closer to 12 online) and then anyone with projectiles or disjointed hitboxes just becomes moronic. It doesn't even feel good when you manage to beat them.
They didn't just take what PM started and run with it. Melee with better balanced and shit like l cancelling removed would have been perfect.
Making dlc characters pay to win. Also abundant of third party when several obvious first party inclusions were not in, destroying the soul and passion of the first three entries being a nintendo characters all star brawl. Also these third parties HAVING to bring in some lame gimmick that is dragged from their respective title because IT JUST HAS TO OKAY FAN SERVICE FAN SERVICE, only for it to be the sole reason of them being pay to win. Also lack of meaningful replayable single player content. Ultimate was at its best at launch then just slowly slid down a massive hill.
For me it's Bowser, Donkey and Diddy still not having the voices from their games
Not making unique movesets for every character
>sonic still incomplete from brawl
>ganondorf still a shitty falcon clone
>4 marths
It's not hype. The top tiers are soulless.
This.
No soulful sets or players either.
Third parties are cool, wouldn’t mind more of them.
>*ruins your game*
Yes, but don't forget Pyra/Mythra and Kazuya. Those 3 ruined the game
why does he look like that?
It was the original model intended for Steve in SSBU but they couldn't get it working
8 frames of input delay on top of 6 frame buffer window making defensive play impossible vs low frame data move characters
Nothing, you Melee addicted autist. Go take a shower.
>newbie doesn't realize those were all smash players not just melee only
Really? Smash Ultimate is a perfect game, with no issues? Shut up, moron. There's enough tribalistic shitposting on this board daily without you.
NTA but nothing is perfect anon
We all aren’t perfect
>ridiculous magnet hands
>extremely binary offstage game
>most recoveries are way too good
>projectiles that are too powerful
>too much reliance on moronic gimmicks on a lot of fighters that makes them lame to fight
>input lag
>hold buffer
>confusing balance decisions
>ridiculous hurtbox shifting
It's not a game I hate or, but sometimes it pisses me the hell off how any of this got past playtesting.
Was For Honor/For Fun really that good? What keeps sweaties from just dunking on casuals?
For Fun is 4 players on random stages with items on. Maximum sweat repellent.
That sounds unfun though. I'm not a FOX ONLY FD guy but items in SBB4 and Ult are comically unbalanced and less fun than in previous entries. Also only being able to play 4-for-all is lame. Not even 2v2?
They took an extremely flawed system and replaced it with another one that has its own set of flaws. I think a lot of people also just liked jumping into 1v1s without a visible rank system. A lot of hypercompetitive people start to play like total homosexuals when there's rank points on the line.
It clearly separated the matchmaking pools. Ult sucks. Even if you like casual play, if you happen to gain enough GSP you can only play elite smash with that character and are condemned to 1v1s on two stages. It's so utterly moronic.
Tourneygays loathe items so they don't really clog up the scene, at most the rare breed who likes both and are decent at the game which, admitedly, is enough to already frick 90% of all casuals but items are so overbearing nowadays it can always just be volatile enough and amidst that already rare breed even fewer are there just to play FFA "optimally" (camp until someone looks at kill% and get the kill, focus on items, and so on)
Post never evers
She's in Crusade at least
My wife.