you're literally posting clips of these moron never stopping talking. are you stupid? you're just giving out everything i need as examples. also i dont listen to e-celebs like you, redditman
5 months ago
Anonymous
So you obviously can't actually explain your point. Many such cases. It's a skill most people have but is suppressed by public school, sadly. I suggest talking to a doctor who will likely recommend cognitive behavioural therapy.
5 months ago
Anonymous
he's saying the villain never shuts the frick up and is always spouting expository dialogue
you keep posting clips of the villain doing exactly that
5 months ago
Anonymous
How is it expository and why would that be bad?
5 months ago
Anonymous
too much expository dialogue slows down the pacing and is a sign of a weak writer who doesn't know how to show instead of tell
it's boring when this gorilla homosexual shows up as a hologram and goes on for 5 minutes about >WE....The BANISHED...will show you....our POWER....and kill....the DEMON....because...we are STRONG...now come, Spartan....show me....YOUR POWER...
it's just gay and stupid and hurts the pacing
5 months ago
Anonymous
Once again, how is it exposition? Use a actual example instead of a strawman.
I've posted so many webms there's no reason for you to make shit up. It really sounds like you had an emotional reaction and refuse to think critically about it.
5 months ago
Anonymous
Do you not know what the word exposition means?
He's expositing. It's expository. It's self-explanatory.
5 months ago
Anonymous
he has a learning disability, most 343 fans do
5 months ago
Anonymous
You have yet to explain it yourself. In this post you are making a tautology rather than simply defining the term and connecting it to the character.
5 months ago
Anonymous
Show, don't tell
There you go 343 shills.
Now explain to me how infinite has a good narrative when everything remotely interesting happens off-screen, go ahead.
5 months ago
Anonymous
>Show don't tell
Why is that a bad thing? I hear this a lot from people who don't read and have nothing to talk about.
5 months ago
Anonymous
nta but cmon dude dont play dumb. Halo infinite is stupid the main villian was not that interesting. You neither progress foward or backwards in this story literally nothing happens. You kill big bad who was absent all game had no build up youre just told to believe hes the best and then you nuke his puckered little monkey butthole but the UNSC is still destroyed humanity still fricked then some other monkey finds the endless or whatever but ok who cares I don't care about these characters all the spartans die off screen the dev team admitted to cutting most of the map locations too btw which is why we only have a grass biome that is empty as shit. I can only agree with this anon
The only way that Infinite could have feasibly costed $500 million would be if it all went into excessive outsourcing, and they were all working on stuff with no direction that never made in into the final product because of 343's incompetent management. I can't think of any other outcome outside of 343's top brass pocketing most of the money, because even R&D and time spent on the new engine could not have justified the ridiculous cost.
this game doesn't justify the money spent, hype build up, etc what a dumpstet fire. Even if this post is bait it doesnt change how much this game sucked and was a letdown. Every other critique and complaint ive seen in this thread about infinite is valid and pretty much correct. The only people who defend 343 halo really accept being spoonfed dirt by anything and like destiny too
5 months ago
Anonymous
>some other monkey finds the endless
Fricking kino
5 months ago
Anonymous
Not reading that. It's an expository monologue.
5 months ago
Anonymous
I'm not playing dumb. Nobody here has the capacity to critique Escharum and The Banished and I am proving it. I agree that shitfinite is trash but Escharum is kino of the highest order. I know full well why people don't like him and it's not because they've carefully critiqued the events of the game and concluded there are objective flaws. It's an unfiltered emotional reaction masquerading as truth. Very foolish.
5 months ago
Anonymous
because we don't all have autism and need the implied emotional subtext of a scene narrated to us by the characters
5 months ago
Anonymous
Looks like a false dichotomy. Why can't a character tell you things emotionally? And how does that apply to Escharum? The acting and dialogue does a great job showing us the dynamics between characters and how Escharum comes to terms with his inevitable demise. This game is overall lame but the Escharum cutscenes are good stuff.
5 months ago
Anonymous
>IS THAT A HECKIN LOGICAL FALLACY?!?
5 months ago
Anonymous
I don't get it, are you proud of being a moron? If so, story criticism isn't your calling.
5 months ago
Anonymous
>Why can't a character tell you things emotionally?
Because it's shit writing. If it weren't shit writing the writer wouldn't include it because its a waste of words/time when they could instead show you.
5 months ago
Anonymous
once you flood the thread with all 900 minutes of his dialogue you should show him dying to some dude braining him with a fusion coil. the banished are such an embarassing dissonance from the rest of the series it's unreal. atleast tartarus and truth had the decency to shut their fricking mouths when they died, unlike this massive jobber and his meaningless addition to the storyline. to be fair though it'd be much more embarrassing if you clung to atriox.
5 months ago
Anonymous
Truth and Tartarus both cried out when they died, thoever.
You are a fake halo fan, go back to the drawing board.
5 months ago
Anonymous
they didnt spill out a huge essay before they died for chief to call that big monkey rapist a "soldier doing his duty". the fact you actually like infinite is bad enough. i bet you spent real life money on banished/brute cosmetics in the shop.
5 months ago
Anonymous
See now you're just getting angry and throwing out lame insults. You failed to explain yourself despite me throwing you dozens of bones and now you're losing your shit and smashing the table. Why would you act so immature?
5 months ago
Anonymous
People are getting frustrated with you because you're being either disingenuous or willfully ignorant.
5 months ago
Anonymous
I'm not the one using words like exposition as if it is the work of the devil. The guy clearly knows nothing about writing.
5 months ago
Anonymous
Too much exposition delivered in the clunky, hokey, 5-minute monologues of the Banished is poor writing.
5 months ago
Anonymous
Once again, how is it exposition?
I'm giving you the cutscenes and you have given me no examples.
5 months ago
Anonymous
How is it not? He's expositing.
Do you really not know what exposition is?
5 months ago
Anonymous
again with the tautology
do better
5 months ago
Anonymous
Define it
5 months ago
Anonymous
Why? I'm not the one claiming it even is exposition. You people have been evading this whole time. You need to give me something before I give you something.
5 months ago
Anonymous
Define the word please
5 months ago
Anonymous
No
5 months ago
Anonymous
Then there's no point engaging you in a debate about wether the dialogue is or is not expository, since you clearly don't even know what exposition is.
5 months ago
Anonymous
I mean yeah, if you're not going to explain your point despite me posting half a dozen examples to draw from, there's no debate. No need to act all defensive, just admit you don't know why you didn't like it. It's okay, not everyone thinks critically.
5 months ago
Anonymous
You have yet to explain it yourself. In this post you are making a tautology rather than simply defining the term and connecting it to the character.
i am no longer taking the bait i should have stopped after realizing you probably made those webms yourself
5 months ago
Anonymous
You can't explain in objective terms why something is bad and can't admit that you lack those skills. If you were to be more humble in future, you'd be much happier.
5 months ago
Anonymous
you type like a classic midwit, take your own advice and develop some humility
5 months ago
Anonymous
Once again, no examples. You have to show what indicates that I am a midwit or it's just a baseless assertion.
And midwit is a good term for
exposition exposition exposition exposition dies and provides nothing to the actual plot
who just spouts buzzwords without explanation.
5 months ago
Anonymous
im happier queuing for firefight in odst actually. this was a good reminder i can actually play good halo
5 months ago
Anonymous
It's a pretty important skill to have, anon. Especially if you're going to make truth claims about things. If you ever get into trouble with the police, you're going to need credibility.
Is wrong with him he was perfectly fine they lied about him and tried to set him up because they failed him and f***** up that bad they just pathetic lying scum obviously. John was right
The story is dull and makes no sense, fighting bullet sponge enemies is fricking boring. The multiplayer is too focused on catering to e-sports to be fun, and every cosmetic is locked behind a paywall or endless grinding. Also the cosmetics suck because you can't just color armor pieces individually anymore for some fricking reason
I don't get how moronic 343 is to frick up the artstyle so badly. Yes, them changing it with the delay after they got laughed at improved it, but it still looks like shit.
Say what you will about Reach, it perfected the Halo style and pretty much everything about it was peak Halo visually. UNSC shit looked industrial and rugged, and Covenant shit looked sleek and alien. Literally just copy that. But no. 343 has to reinvent the wheel and frick it up every single time.
The thing I thought was so good about Reach's armor and overall art direction was in many cases the description of the armor made sense in conjunction with the visuals.
For example, I remember the EOD helmet saying something about being designed the protect against decapitation, and it had those jutting lower jaw armor bits that covered the neck so yeah, it made sense. Then there was that one hazard helmet with the rebreather saying something about providing air filtration. It all looked functional. Yeah, you still had some dumb looking shit like the skull over the visor of EVA which would probably frick with visibility, but even that isn't far fetched because soldiers do shit like that all the time. Vietnam soldiers wrote on their helmets, some guys even in modern military will take liberties with patches and stuff.
Yeah, it definitely started with 4 though
look at this fricking abomination
if I didn't know ahead of time that this was from a Halo game, I would never guess it was
it has NONE of the classic UNSC look to it
It is criminal how bad 343 is at designing things. I really am struggling to find even one thing I like from their new style. Its like Microsoft purposefully hired people who understood absolutely nothing about the original games. Halo 4-5 they were trying to pull off some kind of... Bastardized anime look where everything looks non-functional and over-designed. In Infinite they went the complete opposite and just made everything look like clean plastic. You gotta give Bungie credit. They nailed the style down in CE, and more or less stuck with it. For all it's faults, I think Reach is where we saw peak Halo aesthetics. UNSC stuff especially looked fantastic. It's like the designers actually tried to figure out what real military shit made by humans might look like in the future, and just made that. Instead of, you know, this fricking bullshit in pic related.
I like some of the Gen4 Mjolnir pieces, but most of them look like absolute trash
I think the UNSC Infinity looks alright as a ship
I like some of the new guns in Infinite
>Its like Microsoft purposefully hired people who understood absolutely nothing about the original games
They kinda did, they specifically hired people who hate Halo
Open world was a bad idea, it gets boring really fast. Lack of interesting locales, the whole game is basically just the 2nd mission of HALO spread way too thin.
Bosses with fricking health bars
Attempt at a complete reset leaves the story feeling disjointed. They tried to bury the whole Cortana/Guardians plotline and then made the exact same mistake again by introducing a new NEW NEWER ancient evil robot faction or whatever the frick that was supposed to be
as someone who has played every Halo game I don't understand why people would hate any of them that much but I guess I never based my entire identity around playing Halo
People say the decline started from ODST but because it was made by Bungie you forgive it for being shit? Are you sure you aren't just bagging your angst over your irretrievable childhood onto the 343i scapgoat?
You seem like you just have a vested interest in defending 343i for some reason. I enjoyed the games up until H3/ODST/Reach. I did not enjoy Halo 4 or anything that came after, despite trying to enjoy it.
The games notably declined in quality starting at 4, I don't know what else to tell you. It's not a nostalgia thing, I was already an adult by the time Halo 3 came out.
The games just got worse.
Halo 4 and 5 are bad games, not just bad Halo games. Infinite was mediocre, which is pretty pathetic considering the lengths 343i went to to try and get it right. I never understood the hate Reach got. There were controversial things like bloom and armor abilities that I wouldn't say I loved, but I don't curse the game for those minor things. I even remember people hating on ODST at the time for the price, and I again didn't really care.
If only people knew how fricking petty those complaints would be in the grand scheme of the franchise.
Same here, but I understand why they aren’t considered good games. It’s just halo. You shoot aliens and have a good time for a few hours, then mindlessly blast other players. Infinite exposed the lack of creativity and innovation though
Infinite is... alright... I guess
but the thing is, they spend 500+ million USD on that. when you look at it that way, you can't help but go "really? 500 mil for this?"
It's baffling, I have no idea where the money went. one just had to imagine how many times they probably scratched everything and started over again
The only way that Infinite could have feasibly costed $500 million would be if it all went into excessive outsourcing, and they were all working on stuff with no direction that never made in into the final product because of 343's incompetent management. I can't think of any other outcome outside of 343's top brass pocketing most of the money, because even R&D and time spent on the new engine could not have justified the ridiculous cost.
I enjoyed ODST for what it tried to do
Mostly the Mombasa parts, though
The actual missions just felt like budget Halo
There's something beautiful about ODST and its music
I miss Marty
I always said they should make an open world halo (back when that was an exciting concept), but I can’t remember a single thing about it outside of pvp
Good things Infinite did: >grappling hook >completely nuked and buried the Cortana/Guardians bullshit
Bad things Infinite did: >pretty much everything else
My biggest gripes: >Open world
Sounds interesting for Halo, but man it feels empty. All I could think of was 'Why did they even bother?'. The bases and bosses are pretty much all that there is to do. It all just feels so lonely. You're so much faster than your marines it just isn't feasible to bring them anywhere unless you want to crawl through the game. >Banished
Just didn't like them much. I fell out with Halo after 4, one of my buddies talked up Atriox and said something about how the game had potential, and that re-ignited my interest in the franchise. They just don't compare to the Covenant. Seems to be a running theme of 343. They tried to make the Didact and guardians into the new thing, and utterly failed. Can't quite put my finger on why the Banished feel so lame, but they do. If I had to guess, its just that OG Halo was so grand in scale and felt so bleak and high-stakes that everything after, especially involving the Chief, is going to feel weak in comparison. Maybe they should go a new route like ODST/Reach did and have a new protag.
Halo 4's moronic story.
Then Halo 5's moronic story.
By Halo Infinite, 343i ran out of Bungie Halo's leftover goodwill money so they couldn't afford to make the game look decent or pay Blur to make cutscenes anymore. All they were left with was - big surprise - another incoherent moronic story.
They also removed all the fat asses which was the only good part.
>Infinite had a 500,000,000 budget
Source: someone's butthole you completely braindead moron. Go ahead, post your proof, you didn't just make shit up right?
Oh wait, the source is a single article from an article writer for a German xbox fan news website saying "the rumored dev budget is over 500 million dollars", providing no evidence, substantiated by literally no one else, and denied by 343i themselves. Infinite is apparently the most expensive video game ever developed in human history, almost as much as GTA V and Red Dead 2 combined, because a single German moron said it was rumored to be true and you believe him.
Before we forget, the all new Slipspace engine was a complete lie too so the cope of pretending the made up funds went towards that or "supporting 10 years of Halo Infinite" (another lie lmao, they can't even afford to make campaign DLC) doesn't make any fricking sense either.
343i Halo games do not sell enough to justify a 500 mill budget for DEV ALONE, and there's no actual proof MS gave it to them. And if we want to pretend they actually did, it would be an even more damning criticism of 343i incompetence beyond just saying their games are shit. Halo Infinite actually costing 500 million to develop is fraud/embezzlement investigation worthy.
this fricking homosexual was the most annoying character I've ever experienced in any piece of media. Absolutely enraging. When I see and think about him, it's like I can feel every individual nose hair in my nose enflame, I need to start clawing at my nose like a dog that just got clawed by a cat. This guy makes me seethe so fricking much god I hate him
I'm not kidding by the way im rubbing my nose while posting this
It just overdone. I get that he's supposed to be the average guy overwhelmed by what the Chief experiences on a daily basis, but you can tone it down a little bit. You can give him some other actual character traits. He IS a member of the UNSC afterall, at a certain point he should get the frick over it but he doesn't. It's just always >Woah, are we REALLY doing this?!
kind of shit, it gets old fast
Microsoft sees absolutely no value in the Halo IP other than as a potentially huge esports venture. After the commercial decline of Halo Wars 2 and MCC PC (which had other reasons they failed), MS was convinced that Halo had to be a sweaty, competitive live-service esport in order to succeed. So they designed Halo Infinite around esports and MTX and dumped all the resources that weren't necessary after that.
Recently they just ended development on MCC, because the fans don't want MTX in MCC and MCC wouldn't be a profitable esports venture.
What truly makes for a good esport is something that is fun first, and can be competitively optimized later. 343's approach, on the other hand, is to meticulously craft all of the weapons so that the meta makes for the best "skill expression" on streams, which means only mechanical skill. Anything that is supposed to be "skillful" has to look flashy. That is why complicated movement tech and long drawn out animations for things like powerups and the gravity hammer were mandated. Because the game is designed to telegraph surface level skill to a fresh Twitch audience.
What this ignores is that Halo already had much more interesting skill expressions like button combos, map navigation, super bounces, grenade bounces, physics interactions, vehicle play, sniper killionaires, but none of this stuff is flashy enough for a twitch audience so it's considered bad.
TLDR: Halo can't be sold on the nuances that made it great and only exists for marquee value.
open hub areas were very fun , i cleared most of the outposts and it looked very pretty , story on the other hand was meh , jumps all over the place , but i didnt play 5 as its not on PC , i was kinda hoping for story dlc but it seems theyll just do multiplayer shit , 12v12 mode is kinda fun from time to time i play a match when i dont feel like playing dota , but Halo is SP mainly for me
you don't really need to have played 5 to get the story, it was basically designed to ignore and retcon as much of 5 as possible actually
it's actually pretty hilarious. Cortana goes rampant and becomes some kind of AI God and uses ancient promethean robots to take over the entire galaxy
but
it's OK, because she got stopped offscreen, and they all died, and it doesn't matter
now fight these ex-covenant Brutes on another Halo, just forget that whole galaxy-wide AI uprising happened, it don't matter
Bullshit. CE is damn near perfect, the designs were fricking kino and it works as it's own standalone game removing Halo as a franchise away from it.
2 is slightly worse. The story is fricking kino, all the way up to the cliffhanger.
3 is a masterpiece. Everything from the music, level design, whatever is perfect. I admit I have tons of nostalgia for the game and time period, but even removing myself from that as much as I can, I still have to say it is an all-time great shooter. I hate the bullshit nu-Ganker where is an FPS doesn't have lightning fast double-jump movement it immediately sucks. Frick off. Not everything needs to be nu-DOOM or a tactical snail crawl shooter.
ODST was kino.
Reach is very flawed, but I love it. Mainly for the campaign and atmosphere.
4 and 5 I remember nothing about. I didn't even finish 5 I don't think.
>open world in an arena game >chasing trends
I swear they're actively trying to make bad games. Even the forced TAA in Infinite covers up what could be an 80% decent artstyle.
Many things, but it's slowly been turning around unironically, anyone played the latest PvE King of the Hill mode against the Covenant waves? It's honestly pretty fun
>What went wrong?
they made yet another entry for one of the dullest franchises in the history of FPS franchises. Seriously each episode following the space marine and his pals from the UNSC as they fight assorted villains has been indistinguishable from the others. Aside from the slow gameplay, the series’ only consistency has been its lack of excitement and ineffective use of mechanics, all to make movement molasses, to make bullets seem magnetic.
Perhaps the die was cast when Bungie vetoed the idea of Apple funding the series; they made sure the series would never be mistaken for a work of art that meant anything to anybody, just ridiculously profitable cross-promotion for directx. The Halo series might be anti-Christian (or not), but it’s certainly the anti-Perfect Dark series in its refusal of wonder, beauty and excitement. No one wants to face that fact. Now, thankfully, they no longer have to with 343i.
>a-at least the single player was good though
"No!"
The level design is dreadful; the single player was terrible. As I played, I noticed that every time I went for a walk, the designer instead put an un-involved corridor in my path.
I began marking on the back of an envelope every time a corridor was encountered. I stopped only after I had marked the envelope several dozen times. I was incredulous. Bungie's mind is so governed by cliches and flat topography that they have no other style of gameplay. Later I read a lavish, loving review of Halo by the same Jason West. He wrote something to the effect of, "If these kids are playing Halo at 11 or 12, then when they get older they will go on to play Call of Duty." And he was quite right. He was not being ironic. When you play "Halo” you are, in fact, trained to play Call of Duty.
"I wanted to make a party game with shooter mechanics...I really wanted it to be as simple as possible, I wanted it to be as accessible as possible"
-Hardy LeBel, lead designer of halo CE
>Humanity carries the Mantle of Responsibility >The ship they travel on is called "Forward unto Dawn". >They go forward to the light.
sovl. i hate the new gaylo games. it died in Halo 3.
>didn't scrap 4&5, just tried to ignore it >got rid of cortana, just to replace her with quirky not-cortana >add open world map and objectives based on recovering unsc military, but don't expand past basic capture objectives >multiplayer is free, meaning it's actually just a shop with game mechanics, like every other AAA multiplayer game. >story doesn't go anywhere >no flood, AGAIN >no desert or snow environments
Them making Infinite open world and doing absolutely nothing with it is the most puzzling part about the game to me. The idea of 'The Silent Cartographer' except its a big map with tons of shit and quests involving saving marines and getting them as companions sounds awesome. That was the original idea behind the game. It feels absolutely nothing like CE.
>The ring is shattered >Meaning they have the perfect excuse to have several different biomes next to each other >It's all pine "woods", with some banished bases sprinkled around
I remember the first time I played. I had a blast. The first two missions felt great and looked good. I had so much fun escaping the exploding ship. Then exploring the broken interior of the ring with its massive chambers. Then you get outside and, what you get? The blandest fricking map in any Halo and a dip in performance because my PC struggles to process the big yet empy map.
The same with multiplayer. They released it two weeks earlier. I was having so much fun that first day, despite my PC performance. And I remembert thinking "Oh man, it's going to be so much fun when they release the full mp with the campaing". Then the day came and it was like a punch to the gut. Those ten maps a handful of modes was all there was. No forge, no theater, no invasion, no elites, no color choice... Even worse, SBMM kicked in and every match became a sweatfest. The sheer incompetence was baffling. They did the bare minimun. I'm so glad that b***h Bonnie and half old 343 got axed.
God I want to love halo again guys but its like death by a thousand cuts. Can't enjoy shit in MCC its so furiating even just booting it up pisses me off. >Battlepass >new shit from passes looks fricking ugly >terrible shitty mcc UI that you cant mod into something beautiful >ugly fricking loading screens inbetween campaign missions with no proper fade to black and fading in from black like the OGs >changing male and female to Heavy Armor and Light Armor ??????????? >No gallery to look at the developement and promotional material of all the halo games in honor of its history >No way to change the menu music its the one track on loop instead of letting you make some sort of playlist or cycle through different Halo songs >No pre/post game lobby >No way to toggle menu backgrounds to cycle through the OGs in a collection thats supposed to celebrate the OGs you have to manually replace files with modded ones. >NO OPTION TO MAKE THE MENU UI LOOK LIKE THE OGS >shitty custom games browser idk if it even works with the other games yet it legit only worked with reach for the longest time >ugly CoD nameplates >can't view everyone's spartans >No veto system >No map selection >No matchmaking preferences to join lobbies of trash talkers or quiet lobbies >There's no incentive to look at other people's file shares because the games UI is ass and socializing is nye impossible with everyone being muted because again there's no matchmaking preferences for the matchmaking >I said this once but I'll say it again the new shit looks so fricking terrible cool you can disable it but it'd be better if 343 could just adhere to an artstyle so the new shit would actually look cool instead of lazy ports of halo 4 undersuit and Halo Online armors for Halo 3 which is the only game that got all the new content and love for some fricking reason. CE got the mac world armor at least so that was cool.
It hurts bros I used to love Halo growing up but seriously what the frick
Seriously something like this with concept art, vidocs, commercials, and shit was common in collections back in the day and now modern games just fricking dont do this shit?
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I still like my shitty fake mcc menu I made over the official one
This
If I didn't know better I would suspect all the OG gaming franchises are being deliberately run into the fricking wall. Can't have all the mentally fricked zoomer/late millenials escaping from their ruined world now can we? Gotta destroy everything that gave them solace as children and make sure they can't ever immerse themselves and get back to that even for five minutes.
(And milk them for micro in the process. Desperation results in poor financial decisions)
Barely any of that is gameplay issues I have a great time on halo 3. You people who act like people not using mics now is a dev fault are moronic. Besides I’ll trash talk a Gankertard anyday
>"he was just a soldier... doing what he thought was right" >spends the entire game as a hologram monologuing about how much of a b***h Chief and the UNSC is >tortured a POW >rigged up the electro torture device to his shields so if Chief fought back in their duel it would torture the pilot to death
lmao what the frick, some random brute Chieftain in H3 has more honor than this guy.
I know Spartans aren't examples of good soldiers either but why the frick is Chief acting like this guy was principled or even helping his own people?
Well that's not true about the monologuing but Halo 2 is a really good game. A true cinematic marvel. Are you trying to compare them? If so, it would be disingenuous to not only be lying/ignorant about the examples you gave, but not take into account what hasn't been posted. If you don't know about something, you cannot argue against it.
>but Halo 2 is a really good game. A true cinematic marvel. Are you trying to compare them?
Are you saying it's wrong to compare something good with something shit?
You're basically jus admitting to what everyone is saying, which is that Infinite is garbo
I was saying you're disingenuous to use limited examples of Escharum I posted versus the entirety of Halo 2. Don't be a fricking moron, anon, read the whole post.
>almost 2024 and brainlets are still being kept on the hook by mystery box LOST tier narrative
the writers have no idea, they're just stringing you along so they can withdraw $70 from your bank account at each cliff hanger
That's what I keep thinking!
Compare Reach, where you quite literally know exactly what's going to happen and how the story ends and it still manages to engage you completely and make legendary memories
Daily reminder that mystery is a substitute for good writing the way candy floss is a substitute for fresh steak
>endless shrimp deal at red lobster >attuned to "Living Time" >granted immunity to Halo by "The Nothing" to spite the forerunners >allied with Atriox and Mendicant Bias >destined to be killed off in a book
The pinnacle of 343's writing... CHADless the KINO...
Multiplayer: >No forge at launch >poorly balanced crossplay
Campaign: >A story where almost nothing happens >Chief's upgrades are fun but they make him almost too strong and enemies haven't been buffed to compensate >Open world Halo is an interesting concept but what's here is barely better than Far Cry
I haven't so much as looked at Runescape in 15+ years and I don't want to
Blizzard and 343 I understand and I'm in an absolute state of awe at how far they fell
Jagex will ban players for arbitrary reasons, and I'm almost positive they're involved in gold selling to china on their own game and use it as a money laundering scheme
Fricked development. Started as a proper sequel to H5, which no one wanted, and then once they settled on a soft-reboot closer to the OT they wasted a lot of time with the new engine and the open world resulting in an unfinished, lackluster campaign with a good sandbox.
Multiplayer was just designed with misplaced priorities (focus on effective range balancing and streamlined map design), and released blatantly unfinished.
Add to this the constant developers turnover and technical debt, it's a miracle the multi is now as feature complete as it is
Also what the frick is this CAPTCHA
>Also what the frick is this CAPTCHA
Frag of grorious Nippon, Rising Sun strike fear into hearts of UNSC and Koreans.
Do you know how rong it took us to neutrarize your greatest city?
FOUR MINUTES
in FOUR minutes, Nanking, China's FINEST achievement, became memory.
If you mean "why is there a black hole in the captcha?" I've been seeing these for a while now too
Prob a new thing they rolled out because some shit-smeared Vietnamese pedo developed an AI that can instasolve captchas right 99% of the time
I don't expect that captcha is long for this world anons, and that makes me glad
Halo suffers massively from the expectations placed on it. The story has to have deep meaning, the multiplayer has to satisfy everyone, forge has to be bigger and better, etc.
I think it needs a reboot. Simple story, no "muh humanity muh child soldier muh short lifespan AI" stuff front and center, just a story about John Halo and his witty AI wife blasting aliens. Variety of multiplayer modes, you don't need forge to be dev tools, just allow people to make adjustments to maps or give them canvases with tools around the size of Reach's forge. That's it, thats a 10/10 Halo.
>no "muh humanity muh child soldier muh short lifespan AI" stuff
Halo should be about basically the opposite of all these things
Human beings demonstrating the legendary levels of rage and savagery they will rise to in order to claim their right to life, the spartans and others like them emphatically rejecting ethical bullshit and embracing the responsibility that was laid on their shoulders because if it hadn't been them then it would have been no one and they are grateful it was them, and AIs that are essentially forged from deified human souls voluntarily going up against eldritch abominations to protect the species that birthed them out of unconditional love
You know, awesomeness instead of current year cringe
343 destroyed Halo when they made Forerunners aliens. >all Forerunner monitors refer to humans as "reclaimers" >only humans can activate the rings >the 100,000 year old portal to the ark is in East Africa >Halo 2 storyboard reveals Forerunner skeletons were human
Guilty Sparks to Master Chief >The installation was built specifically to study and contain the flood. Their survival as a race was dependent upon it. I am grateful to see that some of them survived to reproduce. >But you already knew that. I mean, how couldn't you? >Why would you hesitate to do what you have already done? >Last time, you asked me, if it were my choice, would I do it? Having had considerable time to ponder your query, my answer has not changed. There is no choice. We must activate the ring. >You can't imagine how exciting this is to have a record of all of our lost time. Human history, is it, fascinating.
Prophet of Truth to Sergeant Johnson >Your forefathers wisely set aside their compassion, steeled themselves for what needed to be done. I see now why they left you behind. You were weak, and gods must be strong.
Gravemind to Master Chief >Child of my enemy, why have you come? I offer no forgiveness; a father's sins pass to his son.
Guilty Sparks to Master Chief >You are the child of my makers. Inheritor of al they left behind. You are Forerunner. But this ring is mine. >Think of your forefathers. >Do not destroy your inheritance. >Accept your legacy.
Halo was a Biblical allegory of an advanced Human civilization using the ark to survive the flood. It's also ironic that the covenant are waging a holy war on their own gods. You lose so much of the story when you change the forerunners into just another alien race.
>343 destroyed Halo when they made Forerunners aliens.
343 destroyed halo the moment they were in charge of it by being 343
everything about the gameplay was trash, the graphics even looked like trash, the animations were trash. 343 employees need to be strapped to a rocket and launched into the sun
i stopped taking halo lore seriously when they turned the forerunners into ayyliens, i literally never cared to look any further from reach, it died completely for me in there.
Not only 343 killed the forerunners, they also went out of their way to massacre the most iconic enemy in halo, that being the flood also making them ayyyliens lmao.
Halo lore went into nuts after 3. Even Reach has some issues with the first book, but nothing during Bungie era is so bad compared what was done with 343.
I'm glad the Janitor is finally gone, but the damage is already done.
Not disagreeing with you in the least, but >Last time, you asked me, if it were my choice, would I do it? Having had considerable time to ponder your query, my answer has not changed. There is no choice. We must activate the ring.
I always thought that was a leftover from when Halo was set in Marathon's universe
Once you embrace the chaos of the gameplay, zipping around with the grabby thingie and throwing explosives at enemies it's a fun halo campaign hindered by the bullshit open world thing separating the treks through massive alien architecture.
>make the most breedable female character in video game history >make her Alzheimers then kill her >uh no make her fat ugly and then a bad guy >kill her again offscreen >oh shit we fricked up big time, wait I know what to do! >make Cortana Jr
No, you can play it in singleplayer. It has moronic King of the Hill rules because they couldn't be bothered to handle proper AI pathing. It's just a tower defense mode.
They went Ubishit open world game design
They had something going but that ruined it
Should have stuck to classic Halo campaign level styles
Horrible shitty woman Cortana or w/e the new one is that contributes nothing to the game
Basically everything
At least we got Grizzled Warchief Escharum
he's one of the worst things in the game lol
even the "benefits" to this game are dogshit
What's so bad about him?
exposition exposition exposition exposition dies and provides nothing to the actual plot
What exposition? And what makes it bad? You sound like you're parroting the act man from 2015. For your own sake, do better.
you're literally posting clips of these moron never stopping talking. are you stupid? you're just giving out everything i need as examples. also i dont listen to e-celebs like you, redditman
So you obviously can't actually explain your point. Many such cases. It's a skill most people have but is suppressed by public school, sadly. I suggest talking to a doctor who will likely recommend cognitive behavioural therapy.
he's saying the villain never shuts the frick up and is always spouting expository dialogue
you keep posting clips of the villain doing exactly that
How is it expository and why would that be bad?
too much expository dialogue slows down the pacing and is a sign of a weak writer who doesn't know how to show instead of tell
it's boring when this gorilla homosexual shows up as a hologram and goes on for 5 minutes about
>WE....The BANISHED...will show you....our POWER....and kill....the DEMON....because...we are STRONG...now come, Spartan....show me....YOUR POWER...
it's just gay and stupid and hurts the pacing
Once again, how is it exposition? Use a actual example instead of a strawman.
I've posted so many webms there's no reason for you to make shit up. It really sounds like you had an emotional reaction and refuse to think critically about it.
Do you not know what the word exposition means?
He's expositing. It's expository. It's self-explanatory.
he has a learning disability, most 343 fans do
You have yet to explain it yourself. In this post you are making a tautology rather than simply defining the term and connecting it to the character.
Show, don't tell
There you go 343 shills.
Now explain to me how infinite has a good narrative when everything remotely interesting happens off-screen, go ahead.
>Show don't tell
Why is that a bad thing? I hear this a lot from people who don't read and have nothing to talk about.
nta but cmon dude dont play dumb. Halo infinite is stupid the main villian was not that interesting. You neither progress foward or backwards in this story literally nothing happens. You kill big bad who was absent all game had no build up youre just told to believe hes the best and then you nuke his puckered little monkey butthole but the UNSC is still destroyed humanity still fricked then some other monkey finds the endless or whatever but ok who cares I don't care about these characters all the spartans die off screen the dev team admitted to cutting most of the map locations too btw which is why we only have a grass biome that is empty as shit. I can only agree with this anon
this game doesn't justify the money spent, hype build up, etc what a dumpstet fire. Even if this post is bait it doesnt change how much this game sucked and was a letdown. Every other critique and complaint ive seen in this thread about infinite is valid and pretty much correct. The only people who defend 343 halo really accept being spoonfed dirt by anything and like destiny too
>some other monkey finds the endless
Fricking kino
Not reading that. It's an expository monologue.
I'm not playing dumb. Nobody here has the capacity to critique Escharum and The Banished and I am proving it. I agree that shitfinite is trash but Escharum is kino of the highest order. I know full well why people don't like him and it's not because they've carefully critiqued the events of the game and concluded there are objective flaws. It's an unfiltered emotional reaction masquerading as truth. Very foolish.
because we don't all have autism and need the implied emotional subtext of a scene narrated to us by the characters
Looks like a false dichotomy. Why can't a character tell you things emotionally? And how does that apply to Escharum? The acting and dialogue does a great job showing us the dynamics between characters and how Escharum comes to terms with his inevitable demise. This game is overall lame but the Escharum cutscenes are good stuff.
>IS THAT A HECKIN LOGICAL FALLACY?!?
I don't get it, are you proud of being a moron? If so, story criticism isn't your calling.
>Why can't a character tell you things emotionally?
Because it's shit writing. If it weren't shit writing the writer wouldn't include it because its a waste of words/time when they could instead show you.
once you flood the thread with all 900 minutes of his dialogue you should show him dying to some dude braining him with a fusion coil. the banished are such an embarassing dissonance from the rest of the series it's unreal. atleast tartarus and truth had the decency to shut their fricking mouths when they died, unlike this massive jobber and his meaningless addition to the storyline. to be fair though it'd be much more embarrassing if you clung to atriox.
Truth and Tartarus both cried out when they died, thoever.
You are a fake halo fan, go back to the drawing board.
they didnt spill out a huge essay before they died for chief to call that big monkey rapist a "soldier doing his duty". the fact you actually like infinite is bad enough. i bet you spent real life money on banished/brute cosmetics in the shop.
See now you're just getting angry and throwing out lame insults. You failed to explain yourself despite me throwing you dozens of bones and now you're losing your shit and smashing the table. Why would you act so immature?
People are getting frustrated with you because you're being either disingenuous or willfully ignorant.
I'm not the one using words like exposition as if it is the work of the devil. The guy clearly knows nothing about writing.
Too much exposition delivered in the clunky, hokey, 5-minute monologues of the Banished is poor writing.
Once again, how is it exposition?
I'm giving you the cutscenes and you have given me no examples.
How is it not? He's expositing.
Do you really not know what exposition is?
again with the tautology
do better
Define it
Why? I'm not the one claiming it even is exposition. You people have been evading this whole time. You need to give me something before I give you something.
Define the word please
No
Then there's no point engaging you in a debate about wether the dialogue is or is not expository, since you clearly don't even know what exposition is.
I mean yeah, if you're not going to explain your point despite me posting half a dozen examples to draw from, there's no debate. No need to act all defensive, just admit you don't know why you didn't like it. It's okay, not everyone thinks critically.
i am no longer taking the bait i should have stopped after realizing you probably made those webms yourself
You can't explain in objective terms why something is bad and can't admit that you lack those skills. If you were to be more humble in future, you'd be much happier.
you type like a classic midwit, take your own advice and develop some humility
Once again, no examples. You have to show what indicates that I am a midwit or it's just a baseless assertion.
And midwit is a good term for
who just spouts buzzwords without explanation.
im happier queuing for firefight in odst actually. this was a good reminder i can actually play good halo
It's a pretty important skill to have, anon. Especially if you're going to make truth claims about things. If you ever get into trouble with the police, you're going to need credibility.
Is wrong with him he was perfectly fine they lied about him and tried to set him up because they failed him and f***** up that bad they just pathetic lying scum obviously. John was right
>best villain since halo 2
How the frick did he do it?
It was a cosmic fluke
The speedlines still make me giggle.
The story is dull and makes no sense, fighting bullet sponge enemies is fricking boring. The multiplayer is too focused on catering to e-sports to be fun, and every cosmetic is locked behind a paywall or endless grinding. Also the cosmetics suck because you can't just color armor pieces individually anymore for some fricking reason
I don't get how moronic 343 is to frick up the artstyle so badly. Yes, them changing it with the delay after they got laughed at improved it, but it still looks like shit.
Say what you will about Reach, it perfected the Halo style and pretty much everything about it was peak Halo visually. UNSC shit looked industrial and rugged, and Covenant shit looked sleek and alien. Literally just copy that. But no. 343 has to reinvent the wheel and frick it up every single time.
>Say what you will about Reach, it perfected the Halo style
moronic?
Halo 3 had the best UNSC aesthetics
This is partially true. The ODSTs are better in 2, they looked more buff.
>343 just outright deleted the ODST
God I hate them so fricking much.
And then Halo 4 did.....this......
The thing I thought was so good about Reach's armor and overall art direction was in many cases the description of the armor made sense in conjunction with the visuals.
For example, I remember the EOD helmet saying something about being designed the protect against decapitation, and it had those jutting lower jaw armor bits that covered the neck so yeah, it made sense. Then there was that one hazard helmet with the rebreather saying something about providing air filtration. It all looked functional. Yeah, you still had some dumb looking shit like the skull over the visor of EVA which would probably frick with visibility, but even that isn't far fetched because soldiers do shit like that all the time. Vietnam soldiers wrote on their helmets, some guys even in modern military will take liberties with patches and stuff.
Halo 4's wasn't great, but shit got much worse with Halo 5.
Yeah, it definitely started with 4 though
look at this fricking abomination
if I didn't know ahead of time that this was from a Halo game, I would never guess it was
it has NONE of the classic UNSC look to it
>If only you knew how bad things really are.
It is criminal how bad 343 is at designing things. I really am struggling to find even one thing I like from their new style. Its like Microsoft purposefully hired people who understood absolutely nothing about the original games. Halo 4-5 they were trying to pull off some kind of... Bastardized anime look where everything looks non-functional and over-designed. In Infinite they went the complete opposite and just made everything look like clean plastic. You gotta give Bungie credit. They nailed the style down in CE, and more or less stuck with it. For all it's faults, I think Reach is where we saw peak Halo aesthetics. UNSC stuff especially looked fantastic. It's like the designers actually tried to figure out what real military shit made by humans might look like in the future, and just made that. Instead of, you know, this fricking bullshit in pic related.
I like some of the Gen4 Mjolnir pieces, but most of them look like absolute trash
I think the UNSC Infinity looks alright as a ship
I like some of the new guns in Infinite
that's about it, that's as generous as I can be
This picture unironically disgusts me
How do you make Mjolnir armor look this awful when it looked 10x better than this in Halo CE alone
>Its like Microsoft purposefully hired people who understood absolutely nothing about the original games
They kinda did, they specifically hired people who hate Halo
Nope. Reach's aesthetics remain unrivaled, 3 is the next best looking Halo game though.
I've always appreciated the Reach militaristic 2008 scifi aesthetic
They look so lame
halo wars marines were my favorite.
unfathomably based, too bad they look odd in infinite
They used that style for H2A but without the mask part
my homie
one of the best rts
Excellent taste
Open world was a bad idea, it gets boring really fast. Lack of interesting locales, the whole game is basically just the 2nd mission of HALO spread way too thin.
Bosses with fricking health bars
Attempt at a complete reset leaves the story feeling disjointed. They tried to bury the whole Cortana/Guardians plotline and then made the exact same mistake again by introducing a new NEW NEWER ancient evil robot faction or whatever the frick that was supposed to be
as someone who has played every Halo game I don't understand why people would hate any of them that much but I guess I never based my entire identity around playing Halo
you don't have to base your identity around them to realize that the games have been declining in quality since Halo 4
People say the decline started from ODST but because it was made by Bungie you forgive it for being shit? Are you sure you aren't just bagging your angst over your irretrievable childhood onto the 343i scapgoat?
You seem like you just have a vested interest in defending 343i for some reason. I enjoyed the games up until H3/ODST/Reach. I did not enjoy Halo 4 or anything that came after, despite trying to enjoy it.
The games notably declined in quality starting at 4, I don't know what else to tell you. It's not a nostalgia thing, I was already an adult by the time Halo 3 came out.
The games just got worse.
Halo 4 and 5 are bad games, not just bad Halo games. Infinite was mediocre, which is pretty pathetic considering the lengths 343i went to to try and get it right. I never understood the hate Reach got. There were controversial things like bloom and armor abilities that I wouldn't say I loved, but I don't curse the game for those minor things. I even remember people hating on ODST at the time for the price, and I again didn't really care.
If only people knew how fricking petty those complaints would be in the grand scheme of the franchise.
Same here, but I understand why they aren’t considered good games. It’s just halo. You shoot aliens and have a good time for a few hours, then mindlessly blast other players. Infinite exposed the lack of creativity and innovation though
Infinite is... alright... I guess
but the thing is, they spend 500+ million USD on that. when you look at it that way, you can't help but go "really? 500 mil for this?"
It's baffling, I have no idea where the money went. one just had to imagine how many times they probably scratched everything and started over again
The only way that Infinite could have feasibly costed $500 million would be if it all went into excessive outsourcing, and they were all working on stuff with no direction that never made in into the final product because of 343's incompetent management. I can't think of any other outcome outside of 343's top brass pocketing most of the money, because even R&D and time spent on the new engine could not have justified the ridiculous cost.
SPARTAN CORES
I enjoyed ODST for what it tried to do
Mostly the Mombasa parts, though
The actual missions just felt like budget Halo
There's something beautiful about ODST and its music
I miss Marty
I always said they should make an open world halo (back when that was an exciting concept), but I can’t remember a single thing about it outside of pvp
Good things Infinite did:
>grappling hook
>completely nuked and buried the Cortana/Guardians bullshit
Bad things Infinite did:
>pretty much everything else
Open world Halo = Gaylo
My biggest gripes:
>Open world
Sounds interesting for Halo, but man it feels empty. All I could think of was 'Why did they even bother?'. The bases and bosses are pretty much all that there is to do. It all just feels so lonely. You're so much faster than your marines it just isn't feasible to bring them anywhere unless you want to crawl through the game.
>Banished
Just didn't like them much. I fell out with Halo after 4, one of my buddies talked up Atriox and said something about how the game had potential, and that re-ignited my interest in the franchise. They just don't compare to the Covenant. Seems to be a running theme of 343. They tried to make the Didact and guardians into the new thing, and utterly failed. Can't quite put my finger on why the Banished feel so lame, but they do. If I had to guess, its just that OG Halo was so grand in scale and felt so bleak and high-stakes that everything after, especially involving the Chief, is going to feel weak in comparison. Maybe they should go a new route like ODST/Reach did and have a new protag.
Halo 4's moronic story.
Then Halo 5's moronic story.
By Halo Infinite, 343i ran out of Bungie Halo's leftover goodwill money so they couldn't afford to make the game look decent or pay Blur to make cutscenes anymore. All they were left with was - big surprise - another incoherent moronic story.
They also removed all the fat asses which was the only good part.
What are you on about? Infinite had a $500,000,000 budget. Why do you people just make shit up? It's so easy to criticise 343 without being a moron.
>Infinite had a 500,000,000 budget
Source: someone's butthole you completely braindead moron. Go ahead, post your proof, you didn't just make shit up right?
Oh wait, the source is a single article from an article writer for a German xbox fan news website saying "the rumored dev budget is over 500 million dollars", providing no evidence, substantiated by literally no one else, and denied by 343i themselves. Infinite is apparently the most expensive video game ever developed in human history, almost as much as GTA V and Red Dead 2 combined, because a single German moron said it was rumored to be true and you believe him.
Before we forget, the all new Slipspace engine was a complete lie too so the cope of pretending the made up funds went towards that or "supporting 10 years of Halo Infinite" (another lie lmao, they can't even afford to make campaign DLC) doesn't make any fricking sense either.
343i Halo games do not sell enough to justify a 500 mill budget for DEV ALONE, and there's no actual proof MS gave it to them. And if we want to pretend they actually did, it would be an even more damning criticism of 343i incompetence beyond just saying their games are shit. Halo Infinite actually costing 500 million to develop is fraud/embezzlement investigation worthy.
>They also removed all the fat asses
Thankfully Weapon was saved.
this fricking homosexual was the most annoying character I've ever experienced in any piece of media. Absolutely enraging. When I see and think about him, it's like I can feel every individual nose hair in my nose enflame, I need to start clawing at my nose like a dog that just got clawed by a cat. This guy makes me seethe so fricking much god I hate him
I'm not kidding by the way im rubbing my nose while posting this
What for? He acts completely believably, why do you hate him so much
It just overdone. I get that he's supposed to be the average guy overwhelmed by what the Chief experiences on a daily basis, but you can tone it down a little bit. You can give him some other actual character traits. He IS a member of the UNSC afterall, at a certain point he should get the frick over it but he doesn't. It's just always
>Woah, are we REALLY doing this?!
kind of shit, it gets old fast
>hating brohammer
Microsoft sees absolutely no value in the Halo IP other than as a potentially huge esports venture. After the commercial decline of Halo Wars 2 and MCC PC (which had other reasons they failed), MS was convinced that Halo had to be a sweaty, competitive live-service esport in order to succeed. So they designed Halo Infinite around esports and MTX and dumped all the resources that weren't necessary after that.
Recently they just ended development on MCC, because the fans don't want MTX in MCC and MCC wouldn't be a profitable esports venture.
What truly makes for a good esport is something that is fun first, and can be competitively optimized later. 343's approach, on the other hand, is to meticulously craft all of the weapons so that the meta makes for the best "skill expression" on streams, which means only mechanical skill. Anything that is supposed to be "skillful" has to look flashy. That is why complicated movement tech and long drawn out animations for things like powerups and the gravity hammer were mandated. Because the game is designed to telegraph surface level skill to a fresh Twitch audience.
What this ignores is that Halo already had much more interesting skill expressions like button combos, map navigation, super bounces, grenade bounces, physics interactions, vehicle play, sniper killionaires, but none of this stuff is flashy enough for a twitch audience so it's considered bad.
TLDR: Halo can't be sold on the nuances that made it great and only exists for marquee value.
open hub areas were very fun , i cleared most of the outposts and it looked very pretty , story on the other hand was meh , jumps all over the place , but i didnt play 5 as its not on PC , i was kinda hoping for story dlc but it seems theyll just do multiplayer shit , 12v12 mode is kinda fun from time to time i play a match when i dont feel like playing dota , but Halo is SP mainly for me
you don't really need to have played 5 to get the story, it was basically designed to ignore and retcon as much of 5 as possible actually
it's actually pretty hilarious. Cortana goes rampant and becomes some kind of AI God and uses ancient promethean robots to take over the entire galaxy
but
it's OK, because she got stopped offscreen, and they all died, and it doesn't matter
now fight these ex-covenant Brutes on another Halo, just forget that whole galaxy-wide AI uprising happened, it don't matter
No playable elites, no buy
Simple as
Xbox trannies told me the game is good now though
nothing. halo has always been trash, you just were too young to figure that out.
false
1 and 3 are objective 10/10s
2 is a 9/10
Bullshit. CE is damn near perfect, the designs were fricking kino and it works as it's own standalone game removing Halo as a franchise away from it.
2 is slightly worse. The story is fricking kino, all the way up to the cliffhanger.
3 is a masterpiece. Everything from the music, level design, whatever is perfect. I admit I have tons of nostalgia for the game and time period, but even removing myself from that as much as I can, I still have to say it is an all-time great shooter. I hate the bullshit nu-Ganker where is an FPS doesn't have lightning fast double-jump movement it immediately sucks. Frick off. Not everything needs to be nu-DOOM or a tactical snail crawl shooter.
ODST was kino.
Reach is very flawed, but I love it. Mainly for the campaign and atmosphere.
4 and 5 I remember nothing about. I didn't even finish 5 I don't think.
Infinite is... Well, it exists.
>open world in an arena game
>chasing trends
I swear they're actively trying to make bad games. Even the forced TAA in Infinite covers up what could be an 80% decent artstyle.
Whatever happened to the project certain affinity was supposed to be working on?
The battle royale? Tatanka? Canned or frozen, I don't remember.
Many things, but it's slowly been turning around unironically, anyone played the latest PvE King of the Hill mode against the Covenant waves? It's honestly pretty fun
It's okay at first, but is way too repetitive. And vehicles completely destroy that mode.
>What went wrong?
they made yet another entry for one of the dullest franchises in the history of FPS franchises. Seriously each episode following the space marine and his pals from the UNSC as they fight assorted villains has been indistinguishable from the others. Aside from the slow gameplay, the series’ only consistency has been its lack of excitement and ineffective use of mechanics, all to make movement molasses, to make bullets seem magnetic.
Perhaps the die was cast when Bungie vetoed the idea of Apple funding the series; they made sure the series would never be mistaken for a work of art that meant anything to anybody, just ridiculously profitable cross-promotion for directx. The Halo series might be anti-Christian (or not), but it’s certainly the anti-Perfect Dark series in its refusal of wonder, beauty and excitement. No one wants to face that fact. Now, thankfully, they no longer have to with 343i.
>a-at least the single player was good though
"No!"
The level design is dreadful; the single player was terrible. As I played, I noticed that every time I went for a walk, the designer instead put an un-involved corridor in my path.
I began marking on the back of an envelope every time a corridor was encountered. I stopped only after I had marked the envelope several dozen times. I was incredulous. Bungie's mind is so governed by cliches and flat topography that they have no other style of gameplay. Later I read a lavish, loving review of Halo by the same Jason West. He wrote something to the effect of, "If these kids are playing Halo at 11 or 12, then when they get older they will go on to play Call of Duty." And he was quite right. He was not being ironic. When you play "Halo” you are, in fact, trained to play Call of Duty.
"I wanted to make a party game with shooter mechanics...I really wanted it to be as simple as possible, I wanted it to be as accessible as possible"
-Hardy LeBel, lead designer of halo CE
Sounds like you just don't like slower paced shooters. Doesn't mean the game is bad.
Am I the only one who loved Reach's invasion mode? Why the frick has there not been anything like it since?
Because 343 can't even be arsed to implement playable elites.
>Humanity carries the Mantle of Responsibility
>The ship they travel on is called "Forward unto Dawn".
>They go forward to the light.
sovl. i hate the new gaylo games. it died in Halo 3.
>343
>didn't scrap 4&5, just tried to ignore it
>got rid of cortana, just to replace her with quirky not-cortana
>add open world map and objectives based on recovering unsc military, but don't expand past basic capture objectives
>multiplayer is free, meaning it's actually just a shop with game mechanics, like every other AAA multiplayer game.
>story doesn't go anywhere
>no flood, AGAIN
>no desert or snow environments
Them making Infinite open world and doing absolutely nothing with it is the most puzzling part about the game to me. The idea of 'The Silent Cartographer' except its a big map with tons of shit and quests involving saving marines and getting them as companions sounds awesome. That was the original idea behind the game. It feels absolutely nothing like CE.
>The ring is shattered
>Meaning they have the perfect excuse to have several different biomes next to each other
>It's all pine "woods", with some banished bases sprinkled around
I remember the first time I played. I had a blast. The first two missions felt great and looked good. I had so much fun escaping the exploding ship. Then exploring the broken interior of the ring with its massive chambers. Then you get outside and, what you get? The blandest fricking map in any Halo and a dip in performance because my PC struggles to process the big yet empy map.
The same with multiplayer. They released it two weeks earlier. I was having so much fun that first day, despite my PC performance. And I remembert thinking "Oh man, it's going to be so much fun when they release the full mp with the campaing". Then the day came and it was like a punch to the gut. Those ten maps a handful of modes was all there was. No forge, no theater, no invasion, no elites, no color choice... Even worse, SBMM kicked in and every match became a sweatfest. The sheer incompetence was baffling. They did the bare minimun. I'm so glad that b***h Bonnie and half old 343 got axed.
Games in latest 00's and early 10's just had to release and sell a lot
Now games have to sell a lot of mtx for potentially more money
343
Jannys not deleting halo threads like they should be doing
check my 5
Only thing good 343 made was Halo 4 Cortana she was hot
Ended before we could see the Endless
QRD on the endless?
>thread about Halo marine aesthetic
>no one brings up CE kino
a plagur unto all your houses
Halo CE was merely a stepping stone to the classic era of Halo(Halo 2-3-Wars-ODST). Lets not talk about CE.
God I want to love halo again guys but its like death by a thousand cuts. Can't enjoy shit in MCC its so furiating even just booting it up pisses me off.
>Battlepass
>new shit from passes looks fricking ugly
>terrible shitty mcc UI that you cant mod into something beautiful
>ugly fricking loading screens inbetween campaign missions with no proper fade to black and fading in from black like the OGs
>changing male and female to Heavy Armor and Light Armor ???????????
>No gallery to look at the developement and promotional material of all the halo games in honor of its history
>No way to change the menu music its the one track on loop instead of letting you make some sort of playlist or cycle through different Halo songs
>No pre/post game lobby
>No way to toggle menu backgrounds to cycle through the OGs in a collection thats supposed to celebrate the OGs you have to manually replace files with modded ones.
>NO OPTION TO MAKE THE MENU UI LOOK LIKE THE OGS
>shitty custom games browser idk if it even works with the other games yet it legit only worked with reach for the longest time
>ugly CoD nameplates
>can't view everyone's spartans
>No veto system
>No map selection
>No matchmaking preferences to join lobbies of trash talkers or quiet lobbies
>There's no incentive to look at other people's file shares because the games UI is ass and socializing is nye impossible with everyone being muted because again there's no matchmaking preferences for the matchmaking
>I said this once but I'll say it again the new shit looks so fricking terrible cool you can disable it but it'd be better if 343 could just adhere to an artstyle so the new shit would actually look cool instead of lazy ports of halo 4 undersuit and Halo Online armors for Halo 3 which is the only game that got all the new content and love for some fricking reason. CE got the mac world armor at least so that was cool.
It hurts bros I used to love Halo growing up but seriously what the frick
Seriously something like this with concept art, vidocs, commercials, and shit was common in collections back in the day and now modern games just fricking dont do this shit?
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I still like my shitty fake mcc menu I made over the official one
Fortunately the last two devs were just moved off MCC and onto Infinite, ensuring none of these things will ever be fixed.
This
If I didn't know better I would suspect all the OG gaming franchises are being deliberately run into the fricking wall. Can't have all the mentally fricked zoomer/late millenials escaping from their ruined world now can we? Gotta destroy everything that gave them solace as children and make sure they can't ever immerse themselves and get back to that even for five minutes.
(And milk them for micro in the process. Desperation results in poor financial decisions)
Barely any of that is gameplay issues I have a great time on halo 3. You people who act like people not using mics now is a dev fault are moronic. Besides I’ll trash talk a Gankertard anyday
I just don’t want to talk it’s that simple
>You people who act like people not using mics now is a dev fault are moronic.
devs are responsible for moderation so they are a reason why
Do you really wanna use the mic for communication or you just wanna scream Black person?
You “community” types never really did last even in btb go back to the chatroom
I don't want to find out what moronic shit zoomers will take offence to so I take the safe option.
Bahahaha a zoomer would demolish you on the mic man stop making excuses
sounds like you got your answer to
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>people who act like people not using mics now is a dev fault are moronic
Infinite has game chat turned off by default
in 3 years it'll be 20 years since Halo 3 released... Surely we'll get H3 Anniversary with blur cinematics, right?
we'll get a playlist for infinite at best
>Tartarus
Jobbed to a splitjaw.
>Chadscharum
Turned humanity's finest achievement into a memory in a mere four minutes.
>buying into 343 “lore”
shiggy diggy
It's actually pretty fun now, but it's too late
>"he was just a soldier... doing what he thought was right"
>spends the entire game as a hologram monologuing about how much of a b***h Chief and the UNSC is
>tortured a POW
>rigged up the electro torture device to his shields so if Chief fought back in their duel it would torture the pilot to death
lmao what the frick, some random brute Chieftain in H3 has more honor than this guy.
I know Spartans aren't examples of good soldiers either but why the frick is Chief acting like this guy was principled or even helping his own people?
This part was a bit weird. We have to assume Chief was mind broken by subliminal messaging in the propaganda broadcasts.
>he was the coolest guy
Well that's not true about the monologuing but Halo 2 is a really good game. A true cinematic marvel. Are you trying to compare them? If so, it would be disingenuous to not only be lying/ignorant about the examples you gave, but not take into account what hasn't been posted. If you don't know about something, you cannot argue against it.
>but Halo 2 is a really good game. A true cinematic marvel. Are you trying to compare them?
Are you saying it's wrong to compare something good with something shit?
You're basically jus admitting to what everyone is saying, which is that Infinite is garbo
I was saying you're disingenuous to use limited examples of Escharum I posted versus the entirety of Halo 2. Don't be a fricking moron, anon, read the whole post.
>it’s disingenuous to compare Halo 2 that came out in 2004 to Halo Infinite that came out in 2021
Hm
it'll never be halo until they bring havok physics back
Escharum haters are not on it today.
Daimyō Tremonius caught Tartarusposting again... most dishonorabru... I must write haiku
Atriox defamed
Great shame brought to Banished clan
Seppuku required
Blademaster
Follow the hater from a distance, I want to know everything about him...
Bros, please tell me we’re getting another campaign soon. I need to know what the frick the endless are already.
>almost 2024 and brainlets are still being kept on the hook by mystery box LOST tier narrative
the writers have no idea, they're just stringing you along so they can withdraw $70 from your bank account at each cliff hanger
That's what I keep thinking!
Compare Reach, where you quite literally know exactly what's going to happen and how the story ends and it still manages to engage you completely and make legendary memories
Daily reminder that mystery is a substitute for good writing the way candy floss is a substitute for fresh steak
>endless shrimp deal at red lobster
>attuned to "Living Time"
>granted immunity to Halo by "The Nothing" to spite the forerunners
>allied with Atriox and Mendicant Bias
>destined to be killed off in a book
The pinnacle of 343's writing... CHADless the KINO...
>Maybe they can be used for good
The Last words of Atriox, Bonechilling Emancipator
So salty about this
Paid full price because they said couch co-op
Then they release a ubishit lite game with meh campaign, and chuck it on game pass
That's class action level bullshit
Multiplayer:
>No forge at launch
>poorly balanced crossplay
Campaign:
>A story where almost nothing happens
>Chief's upgrades are fun but they make him almost too strong and enemies haven't been buffed to compensate
>Open world Halo is an interesting concept but what's here is barely better than Far Cry
Open world ODST game set on a planet the Covenant destroyed some years before Reach
Yes. Yes
343 never made a good game
343, blizzard and jagex all feel like they intentionally sabotage their games and playerbase to me
I'm curious, do you think the italians intentionally sabotaged their invasion of greece?
I haven't so much as looked at Runescape in 15+ years and I don't want to
Blizzard and 343 I understand and I'm in an absolute state of awe at how far they fell
Jagex will ban players for arbitrary reasons, and I'm almost positive they're involved in gold selling to china on their own game and use it as a money laundering scheme
I'd get a real good day out of a scandal like this breaking wide open
Fricked development. Started as a proper sequel to H5, which no one wanted, and then once they settled on a soft-reboot closer to the OT they wasted a lot of time with the new engine and the open world resulting in an unfinished, lackluster campaign with a good sandbox.
Multiplayer was just designed with misplaced priorities (focus on effective range balancing and streamlined map design), and released blatantly unfinished.
Add to this the constant developers turnover and technical debt, it's a miracle the multi is now as feature complete as it is
Also what the frick is this CAPTCHA
>Also what the frick is this CAPTCHA
Frag of grorious Nippon, Rising Sun strike fear into hearts of UNSC and Koreans.
Do you know how rong it took us to neutrarize your greatest city?
FOUR MINUTES
in FOUR minutes, Nanking, China's FINEST achievement, became memory.
Ret's not forget The Swords of Sangherios.
If you mean "why is there a black hole in the captcha?" I've been seeing these for a while now too
Prob a new thing they rolled out because some shit-smeared Vietnamese pedo developed an AI that can instasolve captchas right 99% of the time
I don't expect that captcha is long for this world anons, and that makes me glad
Campaign's pretty good, only the boss fights are dogshit.
Halo suffers massively from the expectations placed on it. The story has to have deep meaning, the multiplayer has to satisfy everyone, forge has to be bigger and better, etc.
I think it needs a reboot. Simple story, no "muh humanity muh child soldier muh short lifespan AI" stuff front and center, just a story about John Halo and his witty AI wife blasting aliens. Variety of multiplayer modes, you don't need forge to be dev tools, just allow people to make adjustments to maps or give them canvases with tools around the size of Reach's forge. That's it, thats a 10/10 Halo.
>no "muh humanity muh child soldier muh short lifespan AI" stuff
Halo should be about basically the opposite of all these things
Human beings demonstrating the legendary levels of rage and savagery they will rise to in order to claim their right to life, the spartans and others like them emphatically rejecting ethical bullshit and embracing the responsibility that was laid on their shoulders because if it hadn't been them then it would have been no one and they are grateful it was them, and AIs that are essentially forged from deified human souls voluntarily going up against eldritch abominations to protect the species that birthed them out of unconditional love
You know, awesomeness instead of current year cringe
A reboot would truly be the end of halo as a series
>introduce a new race that’s “more dangerous than the flood”
>forget to explain who and what they are
Bravo 343
>More dangerous than the flood
That would be because they ARE the fricking flood
And where do they explain that in the game?
343 destroyed Halo when they made Forerunners aliens.
>all Forerunner monitors refer to humans as "reclaimers"
>only humans can activate the rings
>the 100,000 year old portal to the ark is in East Africa
>Halo 2 storyboard reveals Forerunner skeletons were human
Guilty Sparks to Master Chief
>The installation was built specifically to study and contain the flood. Their survival as a race was dependent upon it. I am grateful to see that some of them survived to reproduce.
>But you already knew that. I mean, how couldn't you?
>Why would you hesitate to do what you have already done?
>Last time, you asked me, if it were my choice, would I do it? Having had considerable time to ponder your query, my answer has not changed. There is no choice. We must activate the ring.
>You can't imagine how exciting this is to have a record of all of our lost time. Human history, is it, fascinating.
Prophet of Truth to Sergeant Johnson
>Your forefathers wisely set aside their compassion, steeled themselves for what needed to be done. I see now why they left you behind. You were weak, and gods must be strong.
Gravemind to Master Chief
>Child of my enemy, why have you come? I offer no forgiveness; a father's sins pass to his son.
Guilty Sparks to Master Chief
>You are the child of my makers. Inheritor of al they left behind. You are Forerunner. But this ring is mine.
>Think of your forefathers.
>Do not destroy your inheritance.
>Accept your legacy.
Halo was a Biblical allegory of an advanced Human civilization using the ark to survive the flood. It's also ironic that the covenant are waging a holy war on their own gods. You lose so much of the story when you change the forerunners into just another alien race.
>343 destroyed Halo when they made Forerunners aliens.
343 destroyed halo the moment they were in charge of it by being 343
everything about the gameplay was trash, the graphics even looked like trash, the animations were trash. 343 employees need to be strapped to a rocket and launched into the sun
i stopped taking halo lore seriously when they turned the forerunners into ayyliens, i literally never cared to look any further from reach, it died completely for me in there.
Not only 343 killed the forerunners, they also went out of their way to massacre the most iconic enemy in halo, that being the flood also making them ayyyliens lmao.
The Forerunner Saga is unironically good
But you are right. Forerunners should have remained ancient humans
If they rebooted the series I'd honestly want then to keep most of the stuff from the Forerunner books intact. Shit really is peak fiction
You're overpaid, shill
halo lore since 4 has been so confusing I never even bothered to figure it out
Halo lore went into nuts after 3. Even Reach has some issues with the first book, but nothing during Bungie era is so bad compared what was done with 343.
I'm glad the Janitor is finally gone, but the damage is already done.
Erm actually all those characters were lying or insane. Spark was actually an ancient human and the prophets were wrong lol
Not disagreeing with you in the least, but
>Last time, you asked me, if it were my choice, would I do it? Having had considerable time to ponder your query, my answer has not changed. There is no choice. We must activate the ring.
I always thought that was a leftover from when Halo was set in Marathon's universe
when are they gonna make the halo looter shooter?
thats what im sayin
shit better look like the battlepass
Once you embrace the chaos of the gameplay, zipping around with the grabby thingie and throwing explosives at enemies it's a fun halo campaign hindered by the bullshit open world thing separating the treks through massive alien architecture.
Post Escharum memes I lost the one I had with him barbecuing
Also wtf is this captcha
had to build on the stories of Halo 4 & 5
Weapon is acute but the Latino sidekick really annoyed me.
>make the most breedable female character in video game history
>make her Alzheimers then kill her
>uh no make her fat ugly and then a bad guy
>kill her again offscreen
>oh shit we fricked up big time, wait I know what to do!
>make Cortana Jr
Did these worthless idiot fricks add a Firefight mode yet?
Yeah, but it sucks.
Is it legit multiplayer only shit?
No, you can play it in singleplayer. It has moronic King of the Hill rules because they couldn't be bothered to handle proper AI pathing. It's just a tower defense mode.
Damn.. No point to reinstall then.
They went Ubishit open world game design
They had something going but that ruined it
Should have stuck to classic Halo campaign level styles
Horrible shitty woman Cortana or w/e the new one is that contributes nothing to the game
No Arbie, that was the final straw
I’m so tired of Cortana. That includes the new one