Neil wasted one of the most talented teams in the industry on his shitty story (for the record, it was okay up until you lose control of Ellie then it turns into objective shit)
I still don't know what they were thinking with stopping the game at the climax of the plot, and then doing an instant flashback where you play as the person you hate for another 15 hours.
It wasn't the climax of the plot and the idea was to see things from the perspective of the person you might have hated until that point, to see if it changes your mind. It obviously failed for some people, though not for the lack of effort on the developer's part.
She also spares Ellie twice, and saves and befriends two Seraphites after being fed lies about them her whole life, showing significant character growth. She gives up her life in a powerful position once she realizes that she is causing copious amounts of harm to people.
You would’ve know this of you at least played the game, bro.
>It wasn't the climax of the plo
It literally is the climax of the plot, Ellie and Abby's stories both peak at the theater fight point. Then the game tacks on a completely meaningless final section with a gang you've never met before and have zero identity or personality in a location that's never been relevant to the story to have you do a big final fight that ends with no one winning and the entire focus of the game just being tossed aside at the absolute last second and the whole thing is just a giant wet fart of an ending. It was terrible writing and was rightfully mocked
It literally isn't, because the plot isn't finished until Ellie makes the choice to go after Abby for the second time and the consequences of that. I'd ask if you're 6 years old but people those age don't understand the words you operate but maybe I'm giving you too much credit. I'm sure in your head the game does end at 50%, your problem is convincing the rest of us about it.
The plot feels finished after the theater bit, and then the game tacks on a completely unnecessary third act that has nothing to do with anything and ends with a wet fart, everything in California was meaningless and contrived and doesn't advance either character's stories in any meaningful way
My biggest problems will always be ND turning Ellie gay, she was never even hinted to be one in the original release, also none of the original developers insinuated that Ellie is gay at all.
The other major problem is when ND decided to israelite us with the pay to win mechanics they installed in Factions.
Why do people trust ND with anything is beyond me, but what a shame that one of the best Western developing studios turned to one of the worst in terms of agenda driven narratives.
Did it ever hint at her being straight? Because the only thing that comes to mind is when she steals bills gay porno magazine and makes a joke after leaving his town and even then that leans more towards gay than straight.
Ellie's sexuality is never examined in the base game, and Ashley Johnson says the idea was never presented to her before they started recording for Left Behind when the base game was already released.
I think Left Behind is cringe because you just KNOW Druckmann was patting himself on the back for how "progressive" he was being by showing REPRESENTATION in video games, but I didn't mind Ellie being a dyke in part 2, she and Dina were a cute couple and we actually got to see them interact in ways that weren't just queerbaiting
Her sexuality was completely irrelevant in the original game since it was never brought up to begin with. but in the DLC which is supposed to be a prequel never shied away from it.
Maybe that's because the first time she fell in """like""" with a person they both end up getting bitten and decided they are going to wait it out and die together only for Ellie to wake up and have to kill them because by some offputting miracle she is immune. It's like people didn't play the game.
They literally didn’t play the game. They watch YouTube videos of it and read about why it’s bad on Ganker. There’s someone in this thread who straight up says he will never play it because they killed Joel.
I'm not debating about what's in the DLC, the issue is that the DLC doesn't support the base game narratively speaking.
In the base game Ellie only referred to Riley as her friend, there was no hint that Riley was special in anyway other than a friend, now DLC tells us that she wasn't just a friend, it contradicts itself.
That's because the DLC is about romance while the main game isn't
You are suppose to survive in the DLC, that's the whole point.
>In the base game Ellie only referred to Riley as her friend, there was no hint that Riley was special in anyway other than a friend, now DLC tells us that she wasn't just a friend, it contradicts itself.
"Ellie" and "DLC" are two seperate focal units, narratively speaking
2 years ago
Anonymous
They are, it's just that DLC is not consistent with the base game.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Anon… kissing someone doesn’t make them automatically not your friend. They were best friends that kissed each other once before dying.
Even disregarding that, a 14 year old girl probably isn’t totally sure how she feels, and even if she does know how she feels, there wasn’t much reason for her to share that information.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Anon… kissing someone doesn’t make them automatically not your friend
Ellie going in for a kiss is absolutely gay in the highest order.
Imagine playing RDR2 and something like that happens, are we really going to say "it just means they are friends".
On top of that, the DLC release on the valentines day, how convenient of ND to pull that off. >there wasn’t much reason for her to share that information.
Wrong, the base game explains a lot of things that happened in the past, there were collectables in the base game (or maybe a diary, don't remember) were again, the relationship was never hinted or insinuated of Ellie being gay.
Impossible since the base game doesn't show their relationship.
The base game explains a lot of things, but somehow it fails to disclose an important info of Ellie is gay?
There is no constancy here.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>important info
Is it?
2 years ago
Anonymous
In this case it is, the DLC fails to be consistent with the base game in terms of Ellie' sexual identity.
Yeah no shit it’s gay, that’s not what I was saying at all. What I’m saying is that kissing someone does not automatically make them your girlfriend. Like another anon said, the game doesn’t imply that she’s straight either. That’s on you for assuming she was straight.
>What I’m saying is that kissing someone does not automatically make them your girlfriend
That has nothing to do with anything at all.
My argument is that Ellie was turned gay for no good reason. >the game doesn’t imply that she’s straight either.
You are correct, because it was irrelevant to begin with.
She was just a young girl that was infected in an apocalypses that is trying to survive.
Her sexual preference was never brought up at all in the original game, it was never her defining trait.
2 years ago
Anonymous
You just don't want gay people in games and think that just because her sexuality was never specified that she *must* be hetero
2 years ago
Anonymous
Well you are wrong, did I ever say anything about Bill at any point in this thread?
I was genuinely hoping we get to play as Bill in the DLC. >the game doesn’t imply that she’s straight either.
ND and Sony would like to have a word with you, considering that one of the first trailers were her kissing her gf in front of an audience.
Maybe there is an argument to be made if whether of not it's one of her defining traits, seems like Sony/ND were pushing it hard. >Something tells me you wouldn’t be upset if they showed her kissing a boy in the DLC even though they didn’t specify in the original game…
I absolutely would, because it was never hinted to be the case.
2 years ago
Anonymous
It still isn’t her defining trait. Something tells me you wouldn’t be upset if they showed her kissing a boy in the DLC even though they didn’t specify in the original game…
2 years ago
Anonymous
>In this case it is, the DLC fails to be consistent with the base game in terms of Ellie' sexual identity.
The base game did not establish Ellie's sexual identity.
2 years ago
Anonymous
You are correct, it's just that the DLC turned her gay, that's my problem.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>turned her gay
She was always gay, it just wasn’t explicitly stated, just like the opposite was never stated either. That’s on you for assuming she was straight.
2 years ago
Anonymous
See
In this case it is, the DLC fails to be consistent with the base game in terms of Ellie' sexual identity.
[...] >What I’m saying is that kissing someone does not automatically make them your girlfriend
That has nothing to do with anything at all.
My argument is that Ellie was turned gay for no good reason. >the game doesn’t imply that she’s straight either.
You are correct, because it was irrelevant to begin with.
She was just a young girl that was infected in an apocalypses that is trying to survive.
Her sexual preference was never brought up at all in the original game, it was never her defining trait.
last line.
2 years ago
Anonymous
So you don’t like the fact that her sexual orientation was ever stated? You just wanted it to be a mystery, even as she gets older?
2 years ago
Anonymous
My main contention here is contradiction that is going on between the DLC and the original game.
Now let's just say that the DLC never existed but there would be a sequel starting Ellie who is gay, it wouldn't be an issue if it was done right, the problem is that relationships in games are trash.
What makes it worse in this case is that it was shoved down our throats throughout the sequel.
In my opinion that kind of stuff should be put in the back seat.
Your mistake is in assuming her being a main character in 2 should have the same treatment as when she was a side character in 1. She could be hetero in part 2 it wpuldn't change anything
Agree, it was a shitty story regardless.
2 years ago
Anonymous
You make her sexuallity a much bigger deal than the game does. Insecure homosexual. Sjw tier l gymnastics. Guess who's coming out in a few years
2 years ago
Anonymous
>0.2 shekels have been deposited in to your account
2 years ago
Anonymous
It definitely didn’t contradict anything. If she was straight in the original game, and then made her gay, that would be contradictory. But that’s not the case.
Her sexuality definitely wasn’t shoved down your throat, either. It’s a very minor part of the story.
You should’ve just said you don’t like relationships in video games from the start, that’s fine, that’s your opinion.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Your mistake is in assuming her being a main character in 2 should have the same treatment as when she was a side character in 1. She could be hetero in part 2 it wpuldn't change anything
2 years ago
Anonymous
Yeah no shit it’s gay, that’s not what I was saying at all. What I’m saying is that kissing someone does not automatically make them your girlfriend. Like another anon said, the game doesn’t imply that she’s straight either. That’s on you for assuming she was straight.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Impossible since the base game doesn't show their relationship.
What's amazing is that people are debating if the RE4 remake is necessary and even then, RE4 has a much bigger reason for a remake if there is any.
nothing, it still sold well. morons on the internet are always loud
It sold well but we are talking about a sequel to the most successful PS3 exclusive, the game should have sold 10M in it's first half the year it released, it took 2 years considering that it was selling at a barging bin and was bundled with everything you can think of.
I'm not downplaying the sale figures don't get me wrong, but for a well established and popular IP, it should be the best and most sold PS4 exclusive game.
Hell, GoT pretty much reached that sale figures and that was a brand new IP, GoW2018 sold 10M in it's first year when Sony didn't even think it was going to do good.
It's all about perspective.
your 40 million copies is literally a false statistic, last reported sales figures for TLOU1 was ~20 million in October of 2019, six and a half years after the game's original release
TLOU2 has been out for two years and already sold half that number in a third of the time. Now, I don't think TLOU2 is going to have the same legs the first one did, but it's by no means a failure.
>ghost of Tsushima
The way manchild gamers tried to turn Ghost of Tsushima as some kind of competitor to TLOU2 was hilarious, lmao. Game was good, but people really overrated it just because they wanted to use it as a cudgel against Druckmann, and I'm sure Snoy was REALLY upset that both of the games they released in Summer 2020 were smash hits lol
> the game was still successful.
We don't know about it being a 'success' since Sony never published profit numbers, yes 10M is no slouch, it's just that it shouldn't take 2 years to reach those numbers.
She kissed a girl in the prequel DLC for the first game
I'm aware of the DLC and what it contains, but the DLC came out after the original game, at no point did the vanilla version hinted at her being gay while in the DLC it was front back and center.
It was completely made up to force the idea that Ellie was always gay, the base game just never supports it.
>it shouldn’t take 2 years to sell 10m
Literally every developer and publisher, besides shot like COD and Madden would kill for those numbers. TLOU2 was profitable on day one.
Source on the game being profitable day 1: https://www.scriptapart.com/episodes/episode-25-last-of-us-part-2-neil-druckmann-interview
Near the 11-minute mark.
Profit means that you made more money than you put into it, no matter how big the budget. They made money on day one, and then continued to make money for the rest of the millions of copies sold. That’s called success.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>They made money on day one, and then continued to make money for the rest of the millions of copies sold. That’s called success.
Breaking even isn't success.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Again, per the source I graciously provided for you, it did more than break even on DAY ONE.
Neil can say what he want's to say, it doesn't answer the question, at no point has Sony ever published hard data when it comes to TLoU2, they have done it for pretty much every successful game.
If Sony never mentioned any profit data then more than likely they never met the projection they had for TLoU2.
Then why did Joel feel the need to lie to Ellie and everyone else about what happened at the hospital if it was the 100% correct thing to do?
To your point about killing people in-game: that’s your opinion, that type of shit never bothered me. It’s a video game, it wouldn’t be very fun if it wasn’t in the game. Plus the enemies attack on sight if seen, so remain unseen or kill the frickers.
He lied to save her the guilt that she would feel, she never wanted to die in the original game, all we know is that she had a survivors guilt due to her being infected, there is a difference between her feeling guilty vs her wanting to die which it was never brought up, the sequel does contradict that tho. >To your point about killing people in-game: that’s your opinion, that type of shit never bothered me. It’s a video game, it wouldn’t be very fun if it wasn’t in the game
It should very much bother you if you care about consistency and logic, imagine that you are playing a game and the main character is a good cop, but the game doesn't penalize you for killing innocent bystanders and somehow you get a good ending, it would not make sense.
TLoU2 glorifies killing and then according to the story, killing is bad?
The narrative doesn't support the gameplay, MGS3 did it right and that was over 10 years before TLoU2 came out.
2 years ago
Anonymous
I saw a document outlining video game franchises and TLOU2 was over the 10M mark. Wish I had saved it, people still can't get over this game.
2 years ago
Anonymous
I disagree that TLOU2 glorifies killing at all. I never got that. I also never thought that Ellie and Abby (and Joel) killing people that are trying to kill them as contradictory at all.
2 years ago
Anonymous
I meant is that it glorifies it in a way that it's damn fun to kill people in the game, think about it, no matter how many you kill, it doesn't change anything at all, there is no special dialogue whatsoever, no special cutscene just nothing.
Again, another (simple) example is Hitman, depending on how you execute the operation, you get a rank, if you only kill the main target and depending and how you do it, you get a high rank, and the games penalize you if you did a shit job and started killing everyone in sight, now if we remove that rank system than why play stealth at all since it doesn't matter what you do?
Do yourself a favor and play MGS3, came out over 15 years ago but it handles the idea of killing beautifully.
She's a c**t because killing the surgeon had a purpose, while killing (trying) Tommy and Joel had none.
Additionally there was no mocking with the people Joel and Ellie killed. They shot them in the head and it was over. The game tries so hard to make Abby not seem like a piece of shit human being and falls flat on its face. Nobody wants to play as her for a reason
2 years ago
Anonymous
>She's a c**t because killing the surgeon had a purpose
I don't think Abby has any idea that Joel saw Ellie as a daughter figure, and even so, most people don't really care about the "justifiable" reasons behind why someone they loved had to die. Joel didn't give a shit about the rest of the world, he didn't care that Ellie dying would have served a perceived greater good, he just saved his baby girl and killed anyone in his way(this is where the joelgay mental gymnastics come in where they say definitively the cure doesn't work, because joelgays are all dishonest cowards)
>Tommy
Remember when Tommy set up a checkpoint and just started murdering random people who had nothing to do with Joel's death? lmao. But he's part of MY team so he's always justified
>Additionally there was no mocking with the people Joel and Ellie killed.
What the frick are you even talking about
>They shot them in the head and it was over.
Both Ellie and Joel torture people all the time, what?
2 years ago
Anonymous
>a perceived greater good >perceived
This picture is for you redditor
>what the frick are you even talking about
someone doesn't remember their death scenes pendejo
2 years ago
Anonymous
>pendejo
>NOOOOOOO WHY DID A CHARACTER WHO HAD EVERY REASON TO HATE JOEL SHOW HIM DISRESPECT NOOOOOOOO THIS IS LITERALLY WHITE GENOCIDE NOOOO
Jesus christ, I bet you're still bitter about being bullied in high school lmao
2 years ago
Anonymous
I was pointing out that it is in incredibly bad taste to humiliate a dead person you weren't morally justified in killing in the first place. Sorry sweetie if I wasn't going to enjoy 15 hours of druckmann jerking off his shit character
2 years ago
Anonymous
>you weren't morally justified in killing in the first place
Joel murdered their friends and family
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Joel murdered their friends and family
Because their friends and family were basically Mengeles.
2 years ago
Anonymous
They shouldn't have run at me with assault rifles or held a knife at me then...
2 years ago
Anonymous
>my tribe is always morally justified and perfect >their tribe is always bad
This is literally what Part II is about lmao
2 years ago
Anonymous
This, the WLF are always painted as the good guys and the seraphites are always painted as inhuman monsters who torture and mutilate people and are le evil transphobes, it's cartoon shit
2 years ago
Anonymous
Neither are painted as good guys. They’re both portrayed as violent idiots whose leaders manipulate the followers, but in very different ways.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>my tribe is always morally justified and perfect
Yes >their tribe is always bad
If they make bad decisions yes
Stop trying to act like 2 is DEEP. They had to frequently retcon gray actions from ellie in 2 (still didn't succeed lol) just to make the narrative not seem hysterical and nonsensical. There is no acceptable enough reason to be going after Joel after all these years in 2. Period. Like making a Vietnam war campaign and forcing us to play as Ho Chi Minh
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Like making a Vietnam war campaign and forcing us to play as Ho Chi Minh
that would be kino tho
2 years ago
Anonymous
If the game followed you trying to eradicate the other side and its ideology as Ho Chi Minh using war tactics, yes.
If the game was an interactive movie biopic that coerces you to sympathize for heartless dictators and war crimes, no.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Yes
You have a different worldview than most civilised people and I say it to the fullest extent of meaning possible. Arguing over video games is the least of your problems.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Oh shit I'm no longer allowed to the moron take club anymore? Damn...
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Like making a Vietnam war campaign and forcing us to play as Ho Chi Minh
How dare a country seek self-determination rather than continue to bend the knee to colonialist powers
2 years ago
Anonymous
Joel literally taught Ellie how to get information by torturing and manipulating enemies.
I don’t understand why people that didn’t play the game think that the game tries to paint Joel in a bad picture. It Literally does the exact opposite, it’s so bizarre.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Hmmmm remember when le evil joel was torturing those two poor cannibal cultists? Oh wait it was because he needed to know where they were keeping Ellie so he could try and rescue her...it's almost like whenever these two characters do something bad they have a valid reason for doing it and whenever the abby avengers do something bad its because of HRRRRRAAAAA MUST GET REVENGE RRRRRREEEEEEEEEE
2 years ago
Anonymous
Killing the surgeon was morally gray, which is what made the first game so great. Abby killing Joel was bad, that’s a huge point of the narrative of the second game. It’s what she does after that, and the growth she displays that makes her so likable to some. By the end, both Abby and Ellie learn and grow as people.
2 years ago
Anonymous
This is the stupidist shit I've ever heard but I/m willing to give a sad waste a (You). > the game was still successful.
Not at all, it was the right thing to do that every man worth a damn would gladly do what Joel did, Ellie at no point consented to being killed for a supposed cure by a terrorist faction.
He literally saved a child from being murdered, how is that in anyway "morally gray"? >By the end, both Abby and Ellie learn and grow as people.
The gameplay completely contradicts the story considering that 95% of the gameplay is nothing but killing people.
It's all about logic, which the sequel is lacking.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Then why did Joel feel the need to lie to Ellie and everyone else about what happened at the hospital if it was the 100% correct thing to do?
To your point about killing people in-game: that’s your opinion, that type of shit never bothered me. It’s a video game, it wouldn’t be very fun if it wasn’t in the game. Plus the enemies attack on sight if seen, so remain unseen or kill the frickers.
Neil decided that pushing his agenda was more important than making a good game. It's probably the biggest problem facing Western gaming right now. I stupidly decided to Play Far Cry 6 without knowing much about it, and it's the same exact problem as TLOU2. I think I'll go back to mostly playing nip games again.
I wasn't talking about graphics or production values or anything like that. Believe it or not, but FC6 is somehow EVEN MORE pozzed than TLOU2. There's a literal troony faction in that game, for god's sakes.
Oh absolutely. I mean imagine a game being claimed to be made for adults being less complex than bing bing wahoo made for kids. >Add jump button >brag about adding jump button >have jump physics far worse than you're master class jump physics from Jak it's hard to believe you're the same company >Also have jumping mainly operate on a magnetic basis because knowing how to position yourself in 3D space is hard >Also give your character the homing attack from Sonic but remove one of the TWO inputs to make it simpler.
No shit gaming is never going to mature, the most complex games are made for god damn children while the simplest are made for "adults"(see. Twelve year olds who just learned how to say frick)
>I was thinking about this game the other day, and think I finally realized why it's so unintentionally hilarious.
>It's the dissonance between the technical side and everything else. Graphically, everything from the characters to the environments could give crysis a run for it's money. The themes (while incredibly cliched) are fairly dark and unpleasant, and the gameplay is very violent and brutal, with npcs calling out their dead comrade's names, getting blown in half Abby's faction killing child soldiers, etc. Some even compared it to manhunt.
>But then you look at the actual story and that's when the dissonance kicks in, it's a story about two teenage girls (one of which, is built like senator armstrong) going on cross country killing sprees due to a series of contrivances, while there's all sorts of other ridiculous shit, like an uncensored sex scene, a pregnant woman going onto the frontlines, and a troony complaining about being deadnamed in the middle of the apocalypse, and it just goes on and on.
>Combine this with the fact that the director, thought this high art, and forced his staff to watch liveleak videos, more or less made the game an utter laughingstock for nearly the entire internet.
>Sorry for the long post, I just wanted to give my two cents.
Best game of last gen. People cream on mediocre Japanese stuff like RE while getting filtered by real classics that push the medium forward. History will vindicate this masterpiece
I was exagerating a bit, I even like RE but we can't deny that it has some of the worst stories in gaming. The dubble standards is funny.
> but RE doesn't take himself seriously
1- it tries at times and fails
2- neither does Postal, doesnt exempt it from criticism. Easy to hide behind the "its just camp b-movies bro"
Oh yeah, I absolutely won’t deny that. I think that RE has some really interesting ideas, like Umbrella corp and everything they do. But as an overarching narrative, it’s straight up bad.
Still love the games though.
>What shooters have better AI currently
I don't know, probably none. Dipshit AI is a huge problem across the entirety of the industry. I just feel like it's more noticeable with stealth games.
>doing something that no one is going to like is a risk
I mean jumping off the golden gate bridge is a risk too, but anyone with common sense knows the outcome.
Grasping at straws. Btw I liked it. I don't care about your "beloved character". I don't care that you didn't get your fan service. I like that Druckman told the story he wanted to tell. Cry some more
the safe option would be to not kill off joel by some ugly unlikable woman and then force you to play as her for half the game so idiots like you wouldn't have a neverending meltdown over it
He's right. It's a movie game with no real gameplay, absolutely no difficulty and a cast of diverse, LGBT characters killing evil religious transphobes. It's like an AI wrote it.
How long are you going to spout off the same overused bait? Aren't you morons tired of this?
2 years ago
Anonymous
Aren't you tired of shilling this piece of shit? It's been two fricking years dude, everyone knows everything about it now and it's a poorly written game with kinda ok gameplay, that's all it is and all it will ever be
Are we talking story, gameplay or both? Either way I thought Uncharted 4 was devs playing it safe while this was them trying to play with the formula a bit. Semi-open levels, faster kills, wouldn't be surprised if they played Doom during breaks.
He's right. It's a movie game with no real gameplay, absolutely no difficulty and a cast of diverse, LGBT characters killing evil religious transphobes. It's like an AI wrote it.
It took more risks than any AAA game in a very long time. It’s the exact opposite of what you’re saying.
I didn't like Last of Us 2, but I will at the very least acknowledge that it's not a quick or safe cash grab. Taking risks and going darker doesn't automatically make it good, but I will respect the idea that they weren't just making an easy summer blockbuster to cash in on the franchise name.
>Ellie whines at the end of the first game that she 'wants her life to mean something' >Becomes a lesbian and ruins any chance of her passing her immunity genes to children
It was a story based game where the plot and gameplay are completely unrelated to one another. The plot feels utterly disjointed from what you do in the game. Even Metal Gear Solid 3, which came out in 2004, got across the themes of why killing is bad so much better.
Making me play as the person who killed off the main character of the first game in the most brutal and remorseless fashions ever made me dislike the game. Then they tried to make me sympathize and like said person while I was playing them; that made me hate the game. Everything else in the game gets dwarfed by that festering ball of disappointment that sat in the back of my mind while playing.
Gameplay of 2 is fantastic. Along with amazing graphics. It would be a 10/19 game if the narrative wasn’t so forced and it shipped with a good multiplayer.
Ignoring the narrative it deserves to fail because it didn’t ship with multiplayer and it’s been years after release still missing
You know something that really irks me (and I rarely see anyone, both fanboys and critics bring up) is how all of Abby's friends are so fricking bland and even more unsympathetic and unpleasant than she is I mean just think about it
She has Eight friends in total and THREE die off screen without the audience hardly getting to know them outside of a few extremely surface level details and of the remaining five: >Jordan is such a hot-head, his death gives Joel's death a run for it's money in terms of being moronic. >Nora insults Joel to Ellie's face despite putting her guard down, runs away like a coward, and gets beaten to death via lead pipe by Ellie. >Nobody likes Manny for spitting on Joel's corpse, and there are videos of every e-celeb under the sun cheering at his death. The only other thing we know is he's a player and likes anime, and that's not a personality. >Mel, who is eight months pregnant goes onto the front lines in the apocalypse. She also gets unsurprisingly upset upon finding out Abby slept with her boyfriend and calls Abby out on her antics, but that's basically it, she also dies like a moron to Ellie but that's not much. >Owen is literally the only fricking character in this group to go through an actual arc (he realizes he doesn't want to take part in the conflict and just wants to frick off to cali) and he dies like a moron to Ellie. He also cheats on his pregnant wife which is just plain wrong apocalypse or not.
So, of the five I've mentioned: Three are too unsympathetic, four are too moronic, and one of them goes through an actual character arc. It's also worth noting that none of them change their opinion of Joel's murder when Ellie shows up, and they all try to kill her on sight. You can like Abby or hate her, but regardless of your opinion on her, you have to admit her friend group is absolutely terrible and underdeveloped as frick.
Sorry for the blogpost, I just wanted to get it off my chest
The asian dude was a good guy but he gets shot in the fricking head and is immediately forgotten for the rest of the game
2 years ago
Anonymous
He lives on through his baby
2 years ago
Anonymous
Oh yeah the gross baby, I forgot
2 years ago
Anonymous
Oh frick, I forgot about him. He was a pretty cool guy, they should have done more with him
He lives on through his baby
Somebody post it
2 years ago
Anonymous
>immediately forgotten
Ellie is fighting for her life for the next 20 minutes and then the game jumps forward nearly two years into the future immediately afterwards
You can find a note from Jesse's mother in Ellie's living room, but Jesse has been dead for years and they're past the point where they'd be bringing up him regularly in normal conversation.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>and then the game jumps forward nearly two years
It jumps backward and you play the same timeframe as the first act as Abby from her perspective. Did you even play it?
2 years ago
Anonymous
I'm talking about the epilogue with the farm and Santa Barbara, and you'd know that if you had played the game and weren't just a /misc/ shitposter
2 years ago
Anonymous
>/POL/!!!!
I accept your concession
2 years ago
Anonymous
>reeeee feminisim israelites trannies REEEEEEEEE >hahah you called me /misc/? checkmate lefty
2 years ago
Anonymous
Who are you quoting? I didn't say any of that, get your head checked
2 years ago
Anonymous
We don't know the extent that he was a "good" guy. He was more like a plot device that a real character.
Owen though, you always see him being the moral center of the story. The only death that I felt bad for in the game
2 years ago
Anonymous
He shouldn't have tried to grab Ellie's gun
2 years ago
Anonymous
I don't even believe Ellie would have spared their lives. She flat-out tells Dina at the TV station that everyone who was in the room was equally culpable in Joel's death and she has no intention of letting any of them live.
Any "you can still live through this!" from Ellie is just a lie to get the information she needs out of them.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Ellie was fricking destroyed as a character, I hate her in TLoU2. She's such a miserable moody fricking c**t and she has no reason to be, Joel being a bitter jaded old man was understandable in the first game because he watched his daughter die in his arms and spent 20 years dealing with the absolute lowest lows of humanity trying to survive, Ellie is super optimistic and peppy in the first game and she's 14 then growing up in the apocalypse, four years later we're supposed to buy that she's now a hardened, traumatized killing machine because Joel lied to her? Come the frick on
2 years ago
Anonymous
>She's such a miserable moody fricking c**t and she has no reason to be
Anon have you met teenagers
2 years ago
Anonymous
> Ellie is super optimistic and peppy in the first game
You are unironically an I
Idiot. I don't even want to be mean. You missed the whole subtext of her character in part 1. And you are the average gamer that Naughty Dog should try to appeal to. Frick you
2 years ago
Anonymous
>first game Ellie >happy go lucky
The game literally ends on her conflicted facial expression as she's overcome with survivor's guilt and anxieties over her place in the world. Did you stop playing after the giraffes?
No wonder the average moron gamer got filtered by tlou2. Jesus christ.
Play the game. Even after the shit with David she remains optimistic and irreverent. Her story is brutal but her character stays strong. Jokes are how she deals with stress. You don't have that part of your personality just vanish.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>first game Ellie >happy go lucky
The game literally ends on her conflicted facial expression as she's overcome with survivor's guilt and anxieties over her place in the world. Did you stop playing after the giraffes?
2 years ago
Anonymous
No wonder the average moron gamer got filtered by tlou2. Jesus christ.
2 years ago
Anonymous
The only moron is Neil for being a control freak. He shouldn't have fired Amy.
2 years ago
Anonymous
It was a quick decision. How could he know that she would spare them? Especially since she was in fact hunting them downv
>nearly every streamer/let's player-big and small, from pewdiepie to pokemaine-hated it >most of twitter hated it >half of fricking resetera hated it because it wasn't woke enough >the only place it developed a rabid fanbase to defend it from every form of criticism was reddit's r/gamingcirclejerk board, and half of it was just to "OWN DA GAMERZ BY DEFENDING CORRUPT MEGACORPERATIONS", but the other half was sincere and genuinely thought that an above average 7th gen gears of war clone with a tacked on jrpg plot was high art >the average fanboy can hardly defend the game without bringing up different games, in different genres, by different studios, making a wojak filled rage comic, or resorting to childish insults that even a rick and morty fan would find embarrassing.
How to fix the game: cut out all the homosexual dialogue lines and have you play the entire game as Abby after killing Joel.
Except abby isn’t morally grey whatsoever. She is a cartoonishly evil character with a death squad traveling the world commiting atrocities with light hearted dialogue.
Final mission: track down and kill Ellie and her GF.
Make it like Overlord where you play as the comically evil villain. That’s how you subvert expectations correctly
The original game came with the console so it "sold well" at least on paper. This caused Druckmann to believe in his own bullshit and push a second game. Even with the stupid amount of hype it undersold.
I know your trollin, but I can’t ducking wait for the show. Even if you don’t like Neil, it’s a good thing that he’s heavily involved in a video game adaption that he helped create. Never understood why other adaptions don’t do this.
>What went wrong?
Remember Ratatouille? "Not everyone can be a great artist, but a great artist can come from anywhere"
Well what happened to TLOU is the opposite of that story. Love her or hate her, Amy Hennig put down the groundworks for TLOU and Uncharted.
Then someone who simps for Anita Sarkeesian finally managed at his long-con game and threw her out and became the big boss himself.
Armed with all the bad ingredients. Ranging from a fricked up moral, trying to demotivate the player, and AI that seems worse than Skyrim TLOU2 was forged.
Most traded in game of 2020.
I did not even dig into the fact that Naughty Dog's managemen tried to frick over the workers on their bonus pay and the leak which forced or that they turned Joel ( a hero of the first game ) into a brainlet simpleton. I can forgive them for killing him.
However the media is going to media.
You forgot the god awful 70% turnover rate. Or how the company in terms of hiring struggles to hire game animators and needed to leech from the film industry due to the black mark against their name for insane levels of crunch and lack of care for their employee's health.
Hrs the guy that tell the director what to do now, if he chooses not to direct the next one. This is some crazy ass coping right here.
You obviously don't understand how corporate politics works. It's easier to promote a frickup than it is to fire him. The fact that Neil is working on the HBO show lends credence to my observation.
The first game ended perfectly, anything added to it was just going to be awful no matter what.A sequel had no real room to move likley why they went with kill everyone as the only other choice was to cure/save humanity which would make the first game pointless/stupid at best.
That's what I mean by "no room to move." The way it ended in the first game was fine and should have been left alone. You could not continue the story in any meaningful way.
TLOU was perfect as a stand-alone game, but a sequel in the same setting with only brand new characters would also have been fine, they could've turned TLOU into a "collection" of survivor stories
>but a sequel in the same setting with only brand new characters would also have been fine, they could've turned TLOU into a "collection" of survivor stories
That's exactly what they should have done, but that risks hurting your player base to keep buying and they always fear the thought of losing a few dollars.
Yeah, better have last protagonist brutally murdered in the beginning. That will sell a lot
2 years ago
Anonymous
And that goes back to my core point, telling a new story with them can only lead to a road of destruction porn, a nothing burger of a story or making the first game pointless.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Just because the protagonist dies in the next game doesn't make part 1 pointless. Especially since the reason he dies in 2 is a consequence of his actions in 1.
> a road of destruction porn
> I see it as a continuation of part 1 themes about finding redemtion in a dog eats dog world
2 years ago
Anonymous
you misunderstand, anon has been listing more than one point. The "pointless" idea is likely the thinking that they still have her be used to save humanity with a cure, that would undo everything about the first game. Those ideas don't all go together.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Just because the protagonist dies in the next game doesn't make part 1 pointless.
That's not what I was talking about see
you misunderstand, anon has been listing more than one point. The "pointless" idea is likely the thinking that they still have her be used to save humanity with a cure, that would undo everything about the first game. Those ideas don't all go together.
>continuation of part 1 themes
That was nothing to continue which is why the plot demand such absurd connections to everything.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Again, Joel completed his arc but what was Ellies arc in part 1? From scared kid to skilled survivor, ok. Her survivors guilt? Nope. The consequences of Joel lying to her on their relationship? Nope
The consequences of Joel killing a shitton of people to save her? Nope.
They could have ended there and let it ambiguous yes. But don't prettend that there wasn't any room for continuation
>a sequel in the same setting with only brand new characters would also have been fine, they could've turned TLOU into a "collection" of survivor stories
Depends which story. Joels arc was done. Ellies and the world they lived in however were not.
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Play the game. Even after the shit with David she remains optimistic and irreverent. Her story is brutal but her character stays strong. Jokes are how she deals with stress. You don't have that part of your personality just vanish.
She makes jokes in part 2 too then. I return you the advice, play the game.
>Ellies and the world they lived in however were not
Whatever given it would always be near worthless. Pain for pain just for the sake of it, or trivial nothingness. Her story was over as doing anything with her would either be a waste of time or making the events of the first game worthless. Her story ended in one for the same reasons Joel's did.
where do I begin? >friend brutally murdered >ellie kills random grunts without a thought >lets the troony leave for no fricking logical reason at all >lets them get away with gruesome murder
cuckmann is the worst writer ever.
>lets the troony leave for no fricking logical reason at all
I know autism makes it hard for you to understand, but people make decisions based on feelings that are completely illogical constantly. That’s what separates humans from robots like yourself, anon.
>people make decisions based on feelings that are completely illogical constantly.
no they fricking do not you moron.
people make decisions based on their motivations and past experiences.
a character who has killed countless members of an enemy faction without ever questioning if she is doing the right thing is not going to put her life on the line and turn on her friends and comrades to protect some enemy kid she barely knows.
there is no reason for her to care. there is nothing in her history to suggest she would ever do that.
> a character who has killed countless members of an enemy faction without ever questioning if she is doing the right thing is not going to put her life on the line and turn on her friends and comrades to protect some enemy kid she barely knows
They saved her life. >there is no reason for her to care. there is nothing in her history to suggest she would ever do that
The scenes showing her father being highly empathetic suggest otherwise. Same with the love of her life (Owen) being the same way.
>comparing a flash in the pan never-going-to-happen again success like ER to another AAA game
TLOU2 still sold better than other major successes like Tsushima or RE2 Remake
https://i.imgur.com/oOopSr7.jpg
What went wrong?
Boring ass new characters, awful pacing, Abby's entire side of the game.
Gameplay, level design and encounter design was great.
and somehow despite many of them being as high quality without the filler, they never sold as well. ER was the right time, the right kinda hype, and the open world was alright but brought in a massive casual audience.
It has way too many dumb story sections that break up the action. The gameplay is actually great but there's just so much downtime in between breaking it up and the story is really not good enough to warrant it. If they had gone the RE4 route and kept that shit to a minimum while just having you go from combat encounter to combat encounter it would probably be the best TPS of all time even if they kept the ebin lesbian rambo story.
>Every character sucks, with the exceptions of: The Bigot Sandwich guy, Joel's bro, and the Asian dude >Joel's death was stupid, it sounds and plays out like a watered down Danganronpa execution, and it took god knows how many contrivances to set up. >Midway plot twist sucks and isn't even original >Everything past the theatre brawl was unnecessary >Ending was stupid
But really, I don't think all of those things put together are what caused the game to be so hated. The real reason it became so infamous was the fact the guy who made it was an egotistical israeli man that thinks Anita Sarkessian is anything but a grifter and wants to be the Kojima; he also did a terrible job at hiding the fact that thinks this shitpile is the citizen kane of vidya, and he overworked his underpaid employees to achieve this feat and that makes him prime vidya lolcow material right there.
All of the of the shills and redditors defending the game from all criticism and getting into petty slapfights with nearly every other vidya fanbase didn't help either.
All it had to do was >Be a game
What they tried to make it >israeli transvestite propaganda and making all original developers quit because of a hook nosed israeli gay that abused them all
Why the frick would I want to be a woman? They have less rights, and are less respected by society. They have a much harder time than men. Frick that, being a man is easy comparatively.
It's a great GOTD candidate and Ganker's seething over CHAD Druckmann is proof of it. You immature brats can't handle mature stories that elevate the medium of gaming to levels previously unseen.
>thread once again devolves into “the game is bad because I don’t like gays and joos!”
At least you morons stopped pretending that people didn’t like the game because it had a bad story. Just be honest, guys. And stop lying to yourselves by saying it wasn’t a success.
Neil wasted one of the most talented teams in the industry on his shitty story (for the record, it was okay up until you lose control of Ellie then it turns into objective shit)
I still don't know what they were thinking with stopping the game at the climax of the plot, and then doing an instant flashback where you play as the person you hate for another 15 hours.
It wasn't the climax of the plot and the idea was to see things from the perspective of the person you might have hated until that point, to see if it changes your mind. It obviously failed for some people, though not for the lack of effort on the developer's part.
Certainly worked for me. I ended up loving both characters by the end of the game.
>the idea was to see things from the perspective of the person you might have hated until that point, to see if it changes your mind
Abby is a genuinely horrible person with no redeeming qualities. The fact that she has a dog and likes burritos doesn’t change that.
She also spares Ellie twice, and saves and befriends two Seraphites after being fed lies about them her whole life, showing significant character growth. She gives up her life in a powerful position once she realizes that she is causing copious amounts of harm to people.
You would’ve know this of you at least played the game, bro.
She's mad because her dad was stopped from murdering a child. She's a c**t and I'm glad everyone else hated her too.
>She's mad because her dad was stopped from murdering a child
Yes, that is exactly what happened.
Are you ever afraid one day you'll have to accept reality as it really is?
>It wasn't the climax of the plo
It literally is the climax of the plot, Ellie and Abby's stories both peak at the theater fight point. Then the game tacks on a completely meaningless final section with a gang you've never met before and have zero identity or personality in a location that's never been relevant to the story to have you do a big final fight that ends with no one winning and the entire focus of the game just being tossed aside at the absolute last second and the whole thing is just a giant wet fart of an ending. It was terrible writing and was rightfully mocked
>It literally is the climax of the plot
It literally isn't, because the plot isn't finished until Ellie makes the choice to go after Abby for the second time and the consequences of that. I'd ask if you're 6 years old but people those age don't understand the words you operate but maybe I'm giving you too much credit. I'm sure in your head the game does end at 50%, your problem is convincing the rest of us about it.
The plot feels finished after the theater bit, and then the game tacks on a completely unnecessary third act that has nothing to do with anything and ends with a wet fart, everything in California was meaningless and contrived and doesn't advance either character's stories in any meaningful way
I couldn't stand Ellie's girlfriend and her dumb jokes.
>Ermmm… fascist sandwich much? XDDD
I hope Neil gets beheaded by mexicans
>objective
You shouldn’t use words that you don’t understand, anon.
cringe
Nothing. Stay filtered.
Easily one of the dumbest takes possible.
Naughty Dog tried shoving shit down our throats and we said no . We proceeded to get villainized for it
Online hate mob decided they didn't like it for no reason
>no reason
You could at least put some effort into your bullshit
It featured gay characters and took too many risks storytelling wise. So yeah, you’re right.
>metadoom
>no metatlou
My biggest problems will always be ND turning Ellie gay, she was never even hinted to be one in the original release, also none of the original developers insinuated that Ellie is gay at all.
The other major problem is when ND decided to israelite us with the pay to win mechanics they installed in Factions.
Why do people trust ND with anything is beyond me, but what a shame that one of the best Western developing studios turned to one of the worst in terms of agenda driven narratives.
She kissed a girl in the prequel DLC for the first game
Someone didn’t play the dlc
Did it ever hint at her being straight? Because the only thing that comes to mind is when she steals bills gay porno magazine and makes a joke after leaving his town and even then that leans more towards gay than straight.
Ellie's sexuality is never examined in the base game, and Ashley Johnson says the idea was never presented to her before they started recording for Left Behind when the base game was already released.
I think Left Behind is cringe because you just KNOW Druckmann was patting himself on the back for how "progressive" he was being by showing REPRESENTATION in video games, but I didn't mind Ellie being a dyke in part 2, she and Dina were a cute couple and we actually got to see them interact in ways that weren't just queerbaiting
Her sexuality was completely irrelevant in the original game since it was never brought up to begin with. but in the DLC which is supposed to be a prequel never shied away from it.
Maybe that's because the first time she fell in """like""" with a person they both end up getting bitten and decided they are going to wait it out and die together only for Ellie to wake up and have to kill them because by some offputting miracle she is immune. It's like people didn't play the game.
They literally didn’t play the game. They watch YouTube videos of it and read about why it’s bad on Ganker. There’s someone in this thread who straight up says he will never play it because they killed Joel.
I've beaten it three times, put your boogeyman delusions away moron. It's poorly written
I’ve also beaten it three times, and it’s the most well written game I’ve played. To each their own.
Bait.
I'm not debating about what's in the DLC, the issue is that the DLC doesn't support the base game narratively speaking.
In the base game Ellie only referred to Riley as her friend, there was no hint that Riley was special in anyway other than a friend, now DLC tells us that she wasn't just a friend, it contradicts itself.
You are suppose to survive in the DLC, that's the whole point.
>In the base game Ellie only referred to Riley as her friend, there was no hint that Riley was special in anyway other than a friend, now DLC tells us that she wasn't just a friend, it contradicts itself.
"Ellie" and "DLC" are two seperate focal units, narratively speaking
They are, it's just that DLC is not consistent with the base game.
Anon… kissing someone doesn’t make them automatically not your friend. They were best friends that kissed each other once before dying.
Even disregarding that, a 14 year old girl probably isn’t totally sure how she feels, and even if she does know how she feels, there wasn’t much reason for her to share that information.
>Anon… kissing someone doesn’t make them automatically not your friend
Ellie going in for a kiss is absolutely gay in the highest order.
Imagine playing RDR2 and something like that happens, are we really going to say "it just means they are friends".
On top of that, the DLC release on the valentines day, how convenient of ND to pull that off.
>there wasn’t much reason for her to share that information.
Wrong, the base game explains a lot of things that happened in the past, there were collectables in the base game (or maybe a diary, don't remember) were again, the relationship was never hinted or insinuated of Ellie being gay.
The base game explains a lot of things, but somehow it fails to disclose an important info of Ellie is gay?
There is no constancy here.
>important info
Is it?
In this case it is, the DLC fails to be consistent with the base game in terms of Ellie' sexual identity.
>What I’m saying is that kissing someone does not automatically make them your girlfriend
That has nothing to do with anything at all.
My argument is that Ellie was turned gay for no good reason.
>the game doesn’t imply that she’s straight either.
You are correct, because it was irrelevant to begin with.
She was just a young girl that was infected in an apocalypses that is trying to survive.
Her sexual preference was never brought up at all in the original game, it was never her defining trait.
You just don't want gay people in games and think that just because her sexuality was never specified that she *must* be hetero
Well you are wrong, did I ever say anything about Bill at any point in this thread?
I was genuinely hoping we get to play as Bill in the DLC.
>the game doesn’t imply that she’s straight either.
ND and Sony would like to have a word with you, considering that one of the first trailers were her kissing her gf in front of an audience.
Maybe there is an argument to be made if whether of not it's one of her defining traits, seems like Sony/ND were pushing it hard.
>Something tells me you wouldn’t be upset if they showed her kissing a boy in the DLC even though they didn’t specify in the original game…
I absolutely would, because it was never hinted to be the case.
It still isn’t her defining trait. Something tells me you wouldn’t be upset if they showed her kissing a boy in the DLC even though they didn’t specify in the original game…
>In this case it is, the DLC fails to be consistent with the base game in terms of Ellie' sexual identity.
The base game did not establish Ellie's sexual identity.
You are correct, it's just that the DLC turned her gay, that's my problem.
>turned her gay
She was always gay, it just wasn’t explicitly stated, just like the opposite was never stated either. That’s on you for assuming she was straight.
See
last line.
So you don’t like the fact that her sexual orientation was ever stated? You just wanted it to be a mystery, even as she gets older?
My main contention here is contradiction that is going on between the DLC and the original game.
Now let's just say that the DLC never existed but there would be a sequel starting Ellie who is gay, it wouldn't be an issue if it was done right, the problem is that relationships in games are trash.
What makes it worse in this case is that it was shoved down our throats throughout the sequel.
In my opinion that kind of stuff should be put in the back seat.
Agree, it was a shitty story regardless.
You make her sexuallity a much bigger deal than the game does. Insecure homosexual. Sjw tier l gymnastics. Guess who's coming out in a few years
>0.2 shekels have been deposited in to your account
It definitely didn’t contradict anything. If she was straight in the original game, and then made her gay, that would be contradictory. But that’s not the case.
Her sexuality definitely wasn’t shoved down your throat, either. It’s a very minor part of the story.
You should’ve just said you don’t like relationships in video games from the start, that’s fine, that’s your opinion.
Your mistake is in assuming her being a main character in 2 should have the same treatment as when she was a side character in 1. She could be hetero in part 2 it wpuldn't change anything
Yeah no shit it’s gay, that’s not what I was saying at all. What I’m saying is that kissing someone does not automatically make them your girlfriend. Like another anon said, the game doesn’t imply that she’s straight either. That’s on you for assuming she was straight.
Impossible since the base game doesn't show their relationship.
That's because the DLC is about romance while the main game isn't
Soulpatchanbuff > Mrfeelswildride
Literally everything unironically.
Cuckmann = hack
Take characters from a GOOD game, with a GOOD story. Put them in a BAD story, and have them do things nobody wants to see.
What's worse is that Naughty Dog removed Factions from the PS5 remake, so what is the point of even buying that?
What's amazing is that people are debating if the RE4 remake is necessary and even then, RE4 has a much bigger reason for a remake if there is any.
It sold well but we are talking about a sequel to the most successful PS3 exclusive, the game should have sold 10M in it's first half the year it released, it took 2 years considering that it was selling at a barging bin and was bundled with everything you can think of.
I'm not downplaying the sale figures don't get me wrong, but for a well established and popular IP, it should be the best and most sold PS4 exclusive game.
Hell, GoT pretty much reached that sale figures and that was a brand new IP, GoW2018 sold 10M in it's first year when Sony didn't even think it was going to do good.
It's all about perspective.
>It's all about perspective.
holy cope, the game was still successful. It sold 10 million faster than resident evil 2 remake and ghost of Tsushima
When your game sells a quarter of what its prequel sold I'd call that a failure.
your 40 million copies is literally a false statistic, last reported sales figures for TLOU1 was ~20 million in October of 2019, six and a half years after the game's original release
TLOU2 has been out for two years and already sold half that number in a third of the time. Now, I don't think TLOU2 is going to have the same legs the first one did, but it's by no means a failure.
Anon...cope harder...
It's not cope. The game sold like shit. The videogame industry has exploded since 2013 and TLOU2 can't even compete with the original.
"It's not a cope" Anon says, while coping
Are you trying to say the games industry is smaller than 2013? Why couldn't TLOU2 at least compete with TLOU1?
yeah anon all those league of legends and fortnite players for sure are going to buy a single player game on a console
cope lel
>ghost of Tsushima
The way manchild gamers tried to turn Ghost of Tsushima as some kind of competitor to TLOU2 was hilarious, lmao. Game was good, but people really overrated it just because they wanted to use it as a cudgel against Druckmann, and I'm sure Snoy was REALLY upset that both of the games they released in Summer 2020 were smash hits lol
> the game was still successful.
We don't know about it being a 'success' since Sony never published profit numbers, yes 10M is no slouch, it's just that it shouldn't take 2 years to reach those numbers.
I'm aware of the DLC and what it contains, but the DLC came out after the original game, at no point did the vanilla version hinted at her being gay while in the DLC it was front back and center.
It was completely made up to force the idea that Ellie was always gay, the base game just never supports it.
See above response.
>it shouldn’t take 2 years to sell 10m
Literally every developer and publisher, besides shot like COD and Madden would kill for those numbers. TLOU2 was profitable on day one.
Source on the game being profitable day 1: https://www.scriptapart.com/episodes/episode-25-last-of-us-part-2-neil-druckmann-interview
Near the 11-minute mark.
TLOU2 had a huge budget, though.
Profit means that you made more money than you put into it, no matter how big the budget. They made money on day one, and then continued to make money for the rest of the millions of copies sold. That’s called success.
>They made money on day one, and then continued to make money for the rest of the millions of copies sold. That’s called success.
Breaking even isn't success.
Again, per the source I graciously provided for you, it did more than break even on DAY ONE.
Neil can say what he want's to say, it doesn't answer the question, at no point has Sony ever published hard data when it comes to TLoU2, they have done it for pretty much every successful game.
If Sony never mentioned any profit data then more than likely they never met the projection they had for TLoU2.
He lied to save her the guilt that she would feel, she never wanted to die in the original game, all we know is that she had a survivors guilt due to her being infected, there is a difference between her feeling guilty vs her wanting to die which it was never brought up, the sequel does contradict that tho.
>To your point about killing people in-game: that’s your opinion, that type of shit never bothered me. It’s a video game, it wouldn’t be very fun if it wasn’t in the game
It should very much bother you if you care about consistency and logic, imagine that you are playing a game and the main character is a good cop, but the game doesn't penalize you for killing innocent bystanders and somehow you get a good ending, it would not make sense.
TLoU2 glorifies killing and then according to the story, killing is bad?
The narrative doesn't support the gameplay, MGS3 did it right and that was over 10 years before TLoU2 came out.
I saw a document outlining video game franchises and TLOU2 was over the 10M mark. Wish I had saved it, people still can't get over this game.
I disagree that TLOU2 glorifies killing at all. I never got that. I also never thought that Ellie and Abby (and Joel) killing people that are trying to kill them as contradictory at all.
I meant is that it glorifies it in a way that it's damn fun to kill people in the game, think about it, no matter how many you kill, it doesn't change anything at all, there is no special dialogue whatsoever, no special cutscene just nothing.
Again, another (simple) example is Hitman, depending on how you execute the operation, you get a rank, if you only kill the main target and depending and how you do it, you get a high rank, and the games penalize you if you did a shit job and started killing everyone in sight, now if we remove that rank system than why play stealth at all since it doesn't matter what you do?
Do yourself a favor and play MGS3, came out over 15 years ago but it handles the idea of killing beautifully.
nothing, it still sold well. morons on the internet are always loud
>sold well
The only thing we know is they shipped 4 millions of copies.
They sold 10 million as of a couple weeks ago.
First TLOU (ps3 ver only) sold 40+ mil.
Good job Cuckmann!
TLOU1 sold 20 million copies over the course of seven years and two releases
TLOU2 has sold 10 million copies over two years
>Abby is a genuinely horrible person
Yeah because she killed your heckin Joelerino so you've decided she's worse than hitler
TLOU1 sold 7 million copies in 1 year. TLOU2 sold 10 million copies in 2 years. That's pretty embarrassing.
She's a c**t because killing the surgeon had a purpose, while killing (trying) Tommy and Joel had none.
Additionally there was no mocking with the people Joel and Ellie killed. They shot them in the head and it was over. The game tries so hard to make Abby not seem like a piece of shit human being and falls flat on its face. Nobody wants to play as her for a reason
>She's a c**t because killing the surgeon had a purpose
I don't think Abby has any idea that Joel saw Ellie as a daughter figure, and even so, most people don't really care about the "justifiable" reasons behind why someone they loved had to die. Joel didn't give a shit about the rest of the world, he didn't care that Ellie dying would have served a perceived greater good, he just saved his baby girl and killed anyone in his way(this is where the joelgay mental gymnastics come in where they say definitively the cure doesn't work, because joelgays are all dishonest cowards)
>Tommy
Remember when Tommy set up a checkpoint and just started murdering random people who had nothing to do with Joel's death? lmao. But he's part of MY team so he's always justified
>Additionally there was no mocking with the people Joel and Ellie killed.
What the frick are you even talking about
>They shot them in the head and it was over.
Both Ellie and Joel torture people all the time, what?
>a perceived greater good
>perceived
This picture is for you redditor
>what the frick are you even talking about
someone doesn't remember their death scenes pendejo
>pendejo
>NOOOOOOO WHY DID A CHARACTER WHO HAD EVERY REASON TO HATE JOEL SHOW HIM DISRESPECT NOOOOOOOO THIS IS LITERALLY WHITE GENOCIDE NOOOO
Jesus christ, I bet you're still bitter about being bullied in high school lmao
I was pointing out that it is in incredibly bad taste to humiliate a dead person you weren't morally justified in killing in the first place. Sorry sweetie if I wasn't going to enjoy 15 hours of druckmann jerking off his shit character
>you weren't morally justified in killing in the first place
Joel murdered their friends and family
>Joel murdered their friends and family
Because their friends and family were basically Mengeles.
They shouldn't have run at me with assault rifles or held a knife at me then...
>my tribe is always morally justified and perfect
>their tribe is always bad
This is literally what Part II is about lmao
This, the WLF are always painted as the good guys and the seraphites are always painted as inhuman monsters who torture and mutilate people and are le evil transphobes, it's cartoon shit
Neither are painted as good guys. They’re both portrayed as violent idiots whose leaders manipulate the followers, but in very different ways.
>my tribe is always morally justified and perfect
Yes
>their tribe is always bad
If they make bad decisions yes
Stop trying to act like 2 is DEEP. They had to frequently retcon gray actions from ellie in 2 (still didn't succeed lol) just to make the narrative not seem hysterical and nonsensical. There is no acceptable enough reason to be going after Joel after all these years in 2. Period. Like making a Vietnam war campaign and forcing us to play as Ho Chi Minh
>Like making a Vietnam war campaign and forcing us to play as Ho Chi Minh
that would be kino tho
If the game followed you trying to eradicate the other side and its ideology as Ho Chi Minh using war tactics, yes.
If the game was an interactive movie biopic that coerces you to sympathize for heartless dictators and war crimes, no.
>Yes
You have a different worldview than most civilised people and I say it to the fullest extent of meaning possible. Arguing over video games is the least of your problems.
Oh shit I'm no longer allowed to the moron take club anymore? Damn...
>Like making a Vietnam war campaign and forcing us to play as Ho Chi Minh
How dare a country seek self-determination rather than continue to bend the knee to colonialist powers
Joel literally taught Ellie how to get information by torturing and manipulating enemies.
I don’t understand why people that didn’t play the game think that the game tries to paint Joel in a bad picture. It Literally does the exact opposite, it’s so bizarre.
Hmmmm remember when le evil joel was torturing those two poor cannibal cultists? Oh wait it was because he needed to know where they were keeping Ellie so he could try and rescue her...it's almost like whenever these two characters do something bad they have a valid reason for doing it and whenever the abby avengers do something bad its because of HRRRRRAAAAA MUST GET REVENGE RRRRRREEEEEEEEEE
Killing the surgeon was morally gray, which is what made the first game so great. Abby killing Joel was bad, that’s a huge point of the narrative of the second game. It’s what she does after that, and the growth she displays that makes her so likable to some. By the end, both Abby and Ellie learn and grow as people.
This is the stupidist shit I've ever heard but I/m willing to give a sad waste a (You).
> the game was still successful.
Not at all, it was the right thing to do that every man worth a damn would gladly do what Joel did, Ellie at no point consented to being killed for a supposed cure by a terrorist faction.
He literally saved a child from being murdered, how is that in anyway "morally gray"?
>By the end, both Abby and Ellie learn and grow as people.
The gameplay completely contradicts the story considering that 95% of the gameplay is nothing but killing people.
It's all about logic, which the sequel is lacking.
Then why did Joel feel the need to lie to Ellie and everyone else about what happened at the hospital if it was the 100% correct thing to do?
To your point about killing people in-game: that’s your opinion, that type of shit never bothered me. It’s a video game, it wouldn’t be very fun if it wasn’t in the game. Plus the enemies attack on sight if seen, so remain unseen or kill the frickers.
Neil decided that pushing his agenda was more important than making a good game. It's probably the biggest problem facing Western gaming right now. I stupidly decided to Play Far Cry 6 without knowing much about it, and it's the same exact problem as TLOU2. I think I'll go back to mostly playing nip games again.
>comparing FC6 to TLOU2
Cmon you’re better than that. TLOU2 is so far ahead of any FC game it’s not even funny.
I wasn't talking about graphics or production values or anything like that. Believe it or not, but FC6 is somehow EVEN MORE pozzed than TLOU2. There's a literal troony faction in that game, for god's sakes.
Gotcha, yeah that shit doesn’t bother me.
>Ganker STILL seething over a game they didn’t even play
I’ll never understand why you nerds are like this.
hate is addicting. its human nature, its how armies work and how empires formed.
Nothing. It’s the best game of the 20’s so far.
The way the murdered the old main character. Not going to play the game.
gamers are manchildren and it's the reason why games will never be accepted as worthwhile art
Hi, Niel
Oh absolutely. I mean imagine a game being claimed to be made for adults being less complex than bing bing wahoo made for kids.
>Add jump button
>brag about adding jump button
>have jump physics far worse than you're master class jump physics from Jak it's hard to believe you're the same company
>Also have jumping mainly operate on a magnetic basis because knowing how to position yourself in 3D space is hard
>Also give your character the homing attack from Sonic but remove one of the TWO inputs to make it simpler.
No shit gaming is never going to mature, the most complex games are made for god damn children while the simplest are made for "adults"(see. Twelve year olds who just learned how to say frick)
Misery porn for SJWs
turning ”book of eli” into “i spit on your grave”
Can you guys really believe that Niel Druckmann himself is having a meltdown in this thread of all places?
Yes. He has lots of free time now that his career is over.
he literally was promoted and is President of Naughty Dog now lmao
It's called getting kicked upstairs.
Reposting an old post
>I was thinking about this game the other day, and think I finally realized why it's so unintentionally hilarious.
>It's the dissonance between the technical side and everything else. Graphically, everything from the characters to the environments could give crysis a run for it's money. The themes (while incredibly cliched) are fairly dark and unpleasant, and the gameplay is very violent and brutal, with npcs calling out their dead comrade's names, getting blown in half Abby's faction killing child soldiers, etc. Some even compared it to manhunt.
>But then you look at the actual story and that's when the dissonance kicks in, it's a story about two teenage girls (one of which, is built like senator armstrong) going on cross country killing sprees due to a series of contrivances, while there's all sorts of other ridiculous shit, like an uncensored sex scene, a pregnant woman going onto the frontlines, and a troony complaining about being deadnamed in the middle of the apocalypse, and it just goes on and on.
>Combine this with the fact that the director, thought this high art, and forced his staff to watch liveleak videos, more or less made the game an utter laughingstock for nearly the entire internet.
>Sorry for the long post, I just wanted to give my two cents.
Cover looks like a man just walked out of a toilet after a very nnaasty poop and there's a long turd rope hanging from their head.
Gamers are moronic and the game is actually too smart for them. It isn't even very smart gamers are just very moronic.
Ironically the characters are all moronic and don't act like hardened survivors in a post-apocalyptic setting.
It’s unironically the single piece of media that redpilled me entirely and for good on the israelite propaganda.
This is TLOU2's legacy.
They thought Prototype 2 had a good narrative they should copy.
>movie game
It suffered the fate that all of it's kind should
Best game of last gen. People cream on mediocre Japanese stuff like RE while getting filtered by real classics that push the medium forward. History will vindicate this masterpiece
If you’re not being sarcastic, you don’t have to shit on RE to prop this game up. I agree though, best game of last generation and this so far.
I was exagerating a bit, I even like RE but we can't deny that it has some of the worst stories in gaming. The dubble standards is funny.
> but RE doesn't take himself seriously
1- it tries at times and fails
2- neither does Postal, doesnt exempt it from criticism. Easy to hide behind the "its just camp b-movies bro"
Oh yeah, I absolutely won’t deny that. I think that RE has some really interesting ideas, like Umbrella corp and everything they do. But as an overarching narrative, it’s straight up bad.
Still love the games though.
Gameplay wise for me it was too much emphasis on stealth with braindead AI.
You could clear out entire maps just by hiding in large grass and luring people over to kill them without getting seen.
I feel like every 'stealth' game has this problem
>brain dead AI
It easily has the best AI since FEAR, and it’s better than FEAR. honest question: what shooters have better AI currently?
>What shooters have better AI currently
I don't know, probably none. Dipshit AI is a huge problem across the entirety of the industry. I just feel like it's more noticeable with stealth games.
This is bait lol.
Prove me wrong, nerd.
The AI is bad on easy difficulties. That’s just a fact. Try turning up the difficulty.
Everything. Part Two should never have existed. It's a project created to milk money from a successful title.
It took more risks than any AAA game in a very long time. It’s the exact opposite of what you’re saying.
What risks did it take, homosexual? It's one of the safest industry standard games ever released
> Kill previous protagonist and have you play the murderer.
Yeah no risk at all. Please stop posting brainlet
>Kill off the male protagonist to introduce a teenage girl protagonist instead
It's been done a million times now.
Name 2 times
>doing something that no one is going to like is a risk
I mean jumping off the golden gate bridge is a risk too, but anyone with common sense knows the outcome.
>too
thanks for conceding the game took a big risk
Thanks for agreeing it took a really stupid risk that no one wanted and it backfired on them.
The risk didn't pay off. The franchise is dead, the game sold poorly and the multiplayer is never coming out due to lack of interest.
> You deserve to play only Cod, AC , Far Cry and Souls games.
Me, as a lover of the medium who'd like to see it pushed forward, despise you
Move forward by making interactive movies with little gameplay?
The gameplay to cutscene ratio is like 4/1
Grasping at straws. Btw I liked it. I don't care about your "beloved character". I don't care that you didn't get your fan service. I like that Druckman told the story he wanted to tell. Cry some more
the safe option would be to not kill off joel by some ugly unlikable woman and then force you to play as her for half the game so idiots like you wouldn't have a neverending meltdown over it
>they killed the protagonist of the last game! WHOOOOOAH so profound
Frick off
>It's one of the safest industry standard games ever released
This is so objectively wrong its painful. You petty fricks are pathetic.
Literally everything about it is curated to appeal to the widest audience possible, how fricking stupid are you
How long are you going to spout off the same overused bait? Aren't you morons tired of this?
Aren't you tired of shilling this piece of shit? It's been two fricking years dude, everyone knows everything about it now and it's a poorly written game with kinda ok gameplay, that's all it is and all it will ever be
Are we talking story, gameplay or both? Either way I thought Uncharted 4 was devs playing it safe while this was them trying to play with the formula a bit. Semi-open levels, faster kills, wouldn't be surprised if they played Doom during breaks.
He's right. It's a movie game with no real gameplay, absolutely no difficulty and a cast of diverse, LGBT characters killing evil religious transphobes. It's like an AI wrote it.
>no real gameplay
>absolutely no difficulty
Go beat it on permadeath grounded if it's so easy lmao
>Go play the game on the mode that was added in to say "HEY WE'RE TOTALLY HARDCORE YOU GUYS" that wasn't tested properly and made in an afternoon
maybe the game's just too hard for you bro.
>It took more risks than any AAA game in a very long time.
And yet those risks didn't pay off.
I didn't like Last of Us 2, but I will at the very least acknowledge that it's not a quick or safe cash grab. Taking risks and going darker doesn't automatically make it good, but I will respect the idea that they weren't just making an easy summer blockbuster to cash in on the franchise name.
>Ellie whines at the end of the first game that she 'wants her life to mean something'
>Becomes a lesbian and ruins any chance of her passing her immunity genes to children
>lesbians can’t have children
Decent bait, got me to reply I guess
That's kind of the point, anon... Her choosing to be a baby factory in order to help humanity and do something would be such a cop-out.
It was a story based game where the plot and gameplay are completely unrelated to one another. The plot feels utterly disjointed from what you do in the game. Even Metal Gear Solid 3, which came out in 2004, got across the themes of why killing is bad so much better.
BIGOT SANDWICHES
Making me play as the person who killed off the main character of the first game in the most brutal and remorseless fashions ever made me dislike the game. Then they tried to make me sympathize and like said person while I was playing them; that made me hate the game. Everything else in the game gets dwarfed by that festering ball of disappointment that sat in the back of my mind while playing.
Gameplay of 2 is fantastic. Along with amazing graphics. It would be a 10/19 game if the narrative wasn’t so forced and it shipped with a good multiplayer.
Ignoring the narrative it deserves to fail because it didn’t ship with multiplayer and it’s been years after release still missing
It's shit, the end
Nothing. It was the last game I truly enjoyed. Before that, it was Death Stranding and before that it was RDR2.
>Movie game, movie game and movie game.
You have shit taste.
Go play your 50th Mario rehash
At least Mario has gameplay.
You know something that really irks me (and I rarely see anyone, both fanboys and critics bring up) is how all of Abby's friends are so fricking bland and even more unsympathetic and unpleasant than she is I mean just think about it
She has Eight friends in total and THREE die off screen without the audience hardly getting to know them outside of a few extremely surface level details and of the remaining five:
>Jordan is such a hot-head, his death gives Joel's death a run for it's money in terms of being moronic.
>Nora insults Joel to Ellie's face despite putting her guard down, runs away like a coward, and gets beaten to death via lead pipe by Ellie.
>Nobody likes Manny for spitting on Joel's corpse, and there are videos of every e-celeb under the sun cheering at his death. The only other thing we know is he's a player and likes anime, and that's not a personality.
>Mel, who is eight months pregnant goes onto the front lines in the apocalypse. She also gets unsurprisingly upset upon finding out Abby slept with her boyfriend and calls Abby out on her antics, but that's basically it, she also dies like a moron to Ellie but that's not much.
>Owen is literally the only fricking character in this group to go through an actual arc (he realizes he doesn't want to take part in the conflict and just wants to frick off to cali) and he dies like a moron to Ellie. He also cheats on his pregnant wife which is just plain wrong apocalypse or not.
So, of the five I've mentioned: Three are too unsympathetic, four are too moronic, and one of them goes through an actual character arc. It's also worth noting that none of them change their opinion of Joel's murder when Ellie shows up, and they all try to kill her on sight. You can like Abby or hate her, but regardless of your opinion on her, you have to admit her friend group is absolutely terrible and underdeveloped as frick.
Sorry for the blogpost, I just wanted to get it off my chest
Literally the only likable one is Manny and he's in the game for like 45 minutes, the rest of them were completely uninteresting or unlikable
Owen
I hated Owen, he acts like Ryan Reynolds and is obnoxious as shit
Maybe, but he's the only good guy in the story.
The asian dude was a good guy but he gets shot in the fricking head and is immediately forgotten for the rest of the game
He lives on through his baby
Oh yeah the gross baby, I forgot
Oh frick, I forgot about him. He was a pretty cool guy, they should have done more with him
Somebody post it
>immediately forgotten
Ellie is fighting for her life for the next 20 minutes and then the game jumps forward nearly two years into the future immediately afterwards
You can find a note from Jesse's mother in Ellie's living room, but Jesse has been dead for years and they're past the point where they'd be bringing up him regularly in normal conversation.
>and then the game jumps forward nearly two years
It jumps backward and you play the same timeframe as the first act as Abby from her perspective. Did you even play it?
I'm talking about the epilogue with the farm and Santa Barbara, and you'd know that if you had played the game and weren't just a /misc/ shitposter
>/POL/!!!!
I accept your concession
>reeeee feminisim israelites trannies REEEEEEEEE
>hahah you called me /misc/? checkmate lefty
Who are you quoting? I didn't say any of that, get your head checked
We don't know the extent that he was a "good" guy. He was more like a plot device that a real character.
Owen though, you always see him being the moral center of the story. The only death that I felt bad for in the game
He shouldn't have tried to grab Ellie's gun
I don't even believe Ellie would have spared their lives. She flat-out tells Dina at the TV station that everyone who was in the room was equally culpable in Joel's death and she has no intention of letting any of them live.
Any "you can still live through this!" from Ellie is just a lie to get the information she needs out of them.
Ellie was fricking destroyed as a character, I hate her in TLoU2. She's such a miserable moody fricking c**t and she has no reason to be, Joel being a bitter jaded old man was understandable in the first game because he watched his daughter die in his arms and spent 20 years dealing with the absolute lowest lows of humanity trying to survive, Ellie is super optimistic and peppy in the first game and she's 14 then growing up in the apocalypse, four years later we're supposed to buy that she's now a hardened, traumatized killing machine because Joel lied to her? Come the frick on
>She's such a miserable moody fricking c**t and she has no reason to be
Anon have you met teenagers
> Ellie is super optimistic and peppy in the first game
You are unironically an I
Idiot. I don't even want to be mean. You missed the whole subtext of her character in part 1. And you are the average gamer that Naughty Dog should try to appeal to. Frick you
Play the game. Even after the shit with David she remains optimistic and irreverent. Her story is brutal but her character stays strong. Jokes are how she deals with stress. You don't have that part of your personality just vanish.
>first game Ellie
>happy go lucky
The game literally ends on her conflicted facial expression as she's overcome with survivor's guilt and anxieties over her place in the world. Did you stop playing after the giraffes?
No wonder the average moron gamer got filtered by tlou2. Jesus christ.
The only moron is Neil for being a control freak. He shouldn't have fired Amy.
It was a quick decision. How could he know that she would spare them? Especially since she was in fact hunting them downv
No way, Owen is one of the best characters in the game. Fricking sucked that he died.
>best selling game
>loved by millions, worldwide
>WHAT WENT WRONG?
never change ̶/̶p̶o̶l̶ /v
>best selling game
Sold worse than TLOU1
>loved by millions, worldwide
Hated by millions too.
>nearly every streamer/let's player-big and small, from pewdiepie to pokemaine-hated it
>most of twitter hated it
>half of fricking resetera hated it because it wasn't woke enough
>the only place it developed a rabid fanbase to defend it from every form of criticism was reddit's r/gamingcirclejerk board, and half of it was just to "OWN DA GAMERZ BY DEFENDING CORRUPT MEGACORPERATIONS", but the other half was sincere and genuinely thought that an above average 7th gen gears of war clone with a tacked on jrpg plot was high art
>the average fanboy can hardly defend the game without bringing up different games, in different genres, by different studios, making a wojak filled rage comic, or resorting to childish insults that even a rick and morty fan would find embarrassing.
>loved by millions, worldwide
It's most likely bait but still
streamers are putting on a show, they need to be clickbaity
do you think that jap who cut the disc in half was being genuine? lmao
I really want a new Jak and Daxter but i already know that Naughty Dog would make it fricking terrible
>muh e-celebs
>muh twitter
Opinion discarded.
it really is a sad state of affairs where nu-Ganker is saying "something is bad because pewdiepie didn't like it"
We're maybe a year away from anons getting nostalgic over Fortnite, brace yourself
/misc/ here, I loved the game. I think the people with the biggest hateboners are literally just Gankertards mad that daddy Joel died
How to fix the game: cut out all the homosexual dialogue lines and have you play the entire game as Abby after killing Joel.
Except abby isn’t morally grey whatsoever. She is a cartoonishly evil character with a death squad traveling the world commiting atrocities with light hearted dialogue.
Final mission: track down and kill Ellie and her GF.
Make it like Overlord where you play as the comically evil villain. That’s how you subvert expectations correctly
Nothing, same ND gameplay fluff as usual although the hide and seek parts are fun.
change abby for an ordinary skinny woman and the game improves 100x times
it was that simple
The original game came with the console so it "sold well" at least on paper. This caused Druckmann to believe in his own bullshit and push a second game. Even with the stupid amount of hype it undersold.
It only undersold because trolls started a hate campaign.
Just give it a rest Neil, don't you have an HBO show to be working on?
I know your trollin, but I can’t ducking wait for the show. Even if you don’t like Neil, it’s a good thing that he’s heavily involved in a video game adaption that he helped create. Never understood why other adaptions don’t do this.
>What went wrong?
Remember Ratatouille? "Not everyone can be a great artist, but a great artist can come from anywhere"
Well what happened to TLOU is the opposite of that story. Love her or hate her, Amy Hennig put down the groundworks for TLOU and Uncharted.
Then someone who simps for Anita Sarkeesian finally managed at his long-con game and threw her out and became the big boss himself.
Armed with all the bad ingredients. Ranging from a fricked up moral, trying to demotivate the player, and AI that seems worse than Skyrim TLOU2 was forged.
Most traded in game of 2020.
I did not even dig into the fact that Naughty Dog's managemen tried to frick over the workers on their bonus pay and the leak which forced or that they turned Joel ( a hero of the first game ) into a brainlet simpleton. I can forgive them for killing him.
However the media is going to media.
You forgot the god awful 70% turnover rate. Or how the company in terms of hiring struggles to hire game animators and needed to leech from the film industry due to the black mark against their name for insane levels of crunch and lack of care for their employee's health.
The face of someone who enjoys ruining games.
NOTHING, 75% of the game its great, the last 25% which is the gay part (Abby Story) its BS but you dont have to play it.
Game was bad. Sony is mad. Neil lost his job and will never touch a videogame again.
Neil actually got promoted, and then hired to produce and direct an HBO show. So it’s the opposite when you think about it.
In other words ND doesn’t trust him to direct another game. He was kicked upstairs.
>president of the company is forbidden from directing games at his company
I guarantee that he’ll direct another Naughty Dog game.
You obviously don't understand how corporate politics works. It's easier to promote a frickup than it is to fire him. The fact that Neil is working on the HBO show lends credence to my observation.
Hrs the guy that tell the director what to do now, if he chooses not to direct the next one. This is some crazy ass coping right here.
Entire story wasted on pandering to mental illness.
Killed off best character.
The first game ended perfectly, anything added to it was just going to be awful no matter what.A sequel had no real room to move likley why they went with kill everyone as the only other choice was to cure/save humanity which would make the first game pointless/stupid at best.
In part 1, people died left and right too.Joels fate was consistent with the established setting
That's what I mean by "no room to move." The way it ended in the first game was fine and should have been left alone. You could not continue the story in any meaningful way.
TLOU was perfect as a stand-alone game, but a sequel in the same setting with only brand new characters would also have been fine, they could've turned TLOU into a "collection" of survivor stories
>but a sequel in the same setting with only brand new characters would also have been fine, they could've turned TLOU into a "collection" of survivor stories
That's exactly what they should have done, but that risks hurting your player base to keep buying and they always fear the thought of losing a few dollars.
It didn't.
Fricking hate modern Naughty Dog, between all the Playstation Studios they are the biggest pieces of shit and most money hungry
Yeah, better have last protagonist brutally murdered in the beginning. That will sell a lot
And that goes back to my core point, telling a new story with them can only lead to a road of destruction porn, a nothing burger of a story or making the first game pointless.
Just because the protagonist dies in the next game doesn't make part 1 pointless. Especially since the reason he dies in 2 is a consequence of his actions in 1.
> a road of destruction porn
> I see it as a continuation of part 1 themes about finding redemtion in a dog eats dog world
you misunderstand, anon has been listing more than one point. The "pointless" idea is likely the thinking that they still have her be used to save humanity with a cure, that would undo everything about the first game. Those ideas don't all go together.
>Just because the protagonist dies in the next game doesn't make part 1 pointless.
That's not what I was talking about see
>continuation of part 1 themes
That was nothing to continue which is why the plot demand such absurd connections to everything.
Again, Joel completed his arc but what was Ellies arc in part 1? From scared kid to skilled survivor, ok. Her survivors guilt? Nope. The consequences of Joel lying to her on their relationship? Nope
The consequences of Joel killing a shitton of people to save her? Nope.
They could have ended there and let it ambiguous yes. But don't prettend that there wasn't any room for continuation
>a sequel in the same setting with only brand new characters would also have been fine, they could've turned TLOU into a "collection" of survivor stories
Why the frick didn't we get that?
Because cuckman wouldn't have been able to make his cool oc kill the main character of the first game to show how strong she is
They literally already did though lmao
Depends which story. Joels arc was done. Ellies and the world they lived in however were not.
She makes jokes in part 2 too then. I return you the advice, play the game.
>Ellies and the world they lived in however were not
Whatever given it would always be near worthless. Pain for pain just for the sake of it, or trivial nothingness. Her story was over as doing anything with her would either be a waste of time or making the events of the first game worthless. Her story ended in one for the same reasons Joel's did.
where do I begin?
>friend brutally murdered
>ellie kills random grunts without a thought
>lets the troony leave for no fricking logical reason at all
>lets them get away with gruesome murder
cuckmann is the worst writer ever.
>lets the troony leave for no fricking logical reason at all
I know autism makes it hard for you to understand, but people make decisions based on feelings that are completely illogical constantly. That’s what separates humans from robots like yourself, anon.
humans don't let people go when they brutally murder their friends, the human emotion would be to get revenge.
>but people make decisions based on feelings that are completely illogical constantly
like making sequels to games that don't need them?
>people make decisions based on feelings that are completely illogical constantly.
no they fricking do not you moron.
people make decisions based on their motivations and past experiences.
a character who has killed countless members of an enemy faction without ever questioning if she is doing the right thing is not going to put her life on the line and turn on her friends and comrades to protect some enemy kid she barely knows.
there is no reason for her to care. there is nothing in her history to suggest she would ever do that.
hmm I wonder if Ellie went through something that made her go soft on kids.
> a character who has killed countless members of an enemy faction without ever questioning if she is doing the right thing is not going to put her life on the line and turn on her friends and comrades to protect some enemy kid she barely knows
They saved her life.
>there is no reason for her to care. there is nothing in her history to suggest she would ever do that
The scenes showing her father being highly empathetic suggest otherwise. Same with the love of her life (Owen) being the same way.
if cuckman did a game about ww2 he would have you empathizing with Hitler.
Please anon, don't give the man any ideas, he is in this very thread right now coping.
Damn didn't know Cuckman was Steven Universe but i can see that happening
>Steven Universe
Got what a fricking terrible show, I wasted over half a decade waiting for it get good, but it never did, sugar is a fricking hack
i mean what did you expect from a pedo?
AND OF FRICKING ED EDD N EDDY TOO
>hitler turns the gas on
>narrator tells you how the israelites were actually wrong
>sad violin music for hitler
a game by neil cuckman.
Elden Ring sold 15 mil in one month.
This garbage game has sold 10 mil TO DATE, allegedly.
it's terrible, terrible fricking writing and the characters suck dick
>comparing a flash in the pan never-going-to-happen again success like ER to another AAA game
TLOU2 still sold better than other major successes like Tsushima or RE2 Remake
Boring ass new characters, awful pacing, Abby's entire side of the game.
Gameplay, level design and encounter design was great.
>never going to happen again
Fromsoft have been making games like ER for decades now.
and somehow despite many of them being as high quality without the filler, they never sold as well. ER was the right time, the right kinda hype, and the open world was alright but brought in a massive casual audience.
multiplat helps, plus the gigantic drought of games in 2021/2022.
Elden Ring is possibly the only game of note for 2+ years.
Why does Ganker pretend Souls is some niche franchise when Dark Souls is literally one of the most important games of the 2010s
It has way too many dumb story sections that break up the action. The gameplay is actually great but there's just so much downtime in between breaking it up and the story is really not good enough to warrant it. If they had gone the RE4 route and kept that shit to a minimum while just having you go from combat encounter to combat encounter it would probably be the best TPS of all time even if they kept the ebin lesbian rambo story.
Alright here's my two cents
>Every character sucks, with the exceptions of: The Bigot Sandwich guy, Joel's bro, and the Asian dude
>Joel's death was stupid, it sounds and plays out like a watered down Danganronpa execution, and it took god knows how many contrivances to set up.
>Midway plot twist sucks and isn't even original
>Everything past the theatre brawl was unnecessary
>Ending was stupid
But really, I don't think all of those things put together are what caused the game to be so hated. The real reason it became so infamous was the fact the guy who made it was an egotistical israeli man that thinks Anita Sarkessian is anything but a grifter and wants to be the Kojima; he also did a terrible job at hiding the fact that thinks this shitpile is the citizen kane of vidya, and he overworked his underpaid employees to achieve this feat and that makes him prime vidya lolcow material right there.
All of the of the shills and redditors defending the game from all criticism and getting into petty slapfights with nearly every other vidya fanbase didn't help either.
>watered down Danganronpa execution
What does this even mean? Speak English, weeb
An absurd, ironic and over the death, redditor
It's Shadow The Hedgehog for 27 year olds.
At least Shadow had gameplay
It's like RDR2, except does everything wrong. Especially the story.
I really liked it
nothing, 10/10 game literally perfect and sold a fortune worth of copies
Ganker will be forever pissed that it wasn't another tortanic
It seems that Neil has yet to give up!
Neil has too much money and is too successful to ever visit these boards
Will Neil ever recreate his masterpiece?
All it had to do was
>Be a game
What they tried to make it
>israeli transvestite propaganda and making all original developers quit because of a hook nosed israeli gay that abused them all
HAD BALLS IN COLLEGE YOU KNOW
>Racist, sexist, homophobic antisemite didn’t enjoy a game that includes those things
Yeah, we know. Now go along and play, the adults are talking.
>You'll never be a woman
What a shocker.
Why the frick would I want to be a woman? They have less rights, and are less respected by society. They have a much harder time than men. Frick that, being a man is easy comparatively.
Will Neil ever give up? Will even consider the fact that his supposed "masterpiece" may not be flawless?
>bigot sandwich
>ellie kills random who grunts and lets the worst person in the game live because she cares about their feelings
BRAVO KEKMANN
The core of the criticism is simple
People dare not say it aloud but the truth is joel was killed off because he was a white man
The core of the criticism is simple
People dare not say it aloud but the truth is ned stark was killed off because he was a white man
It's a great GOTD candidate and Ganker's seething over CHAD Druckmann is proof of it. You immature brats can't handle mature stories that elevate the medium of gaming to levels previously unseen.
>Implying Druckchad browses this shithole
Kek! I don't think about you losers at all.
>Transvestite thinks this is story telling
lol cognitive bias.
I jerk off to Neil Druckmann, becuase it pisses of gamers
Nice
>thread once again devolves into “the game is bad because I don’t like gays and joos!”
At least you morons stopped pretending that people didn’t like the game because it had a bad story. Just be honest, guys. And stop lying to yourselves by saying it wasn’t a success.
No factions
Still no factions 2 years later
Nothing. It's better than the original in every single way.
Trannies
It was written by a vermin israelite who kicked out a female director so he could champion fake women in gaming.