I remember seeing the announcement trailer and deciding it wasn't for me after they put the female partisan front and center. Also I remember reading an article near release stating the Axis campaign was not going to focus its story on the Germans or the Italians, but was instead going to be about a israeli Berber family so I had a laugh then ignored it.
>the Axis campaign was not going to focus its story on the Germans or the Italians, but was instead going to be about a israeli Berber family
hahahaha this CAN'T be true
> You could always play as the German side in our game since COH1 in multiplayer, but this is the first major campaign that we've launched with them.
what the frick are they talking about? CoH1 had German campaigns
>presentation was shit
I dont get this point, i liked the visual style of CoH3 >sound is bad, music is awful
I have 0 musical taste so i cant really weight in here
Maybe at launch now it's fixed >factions are bland
What? Compared to both past games, where it was Murrica vs Wehr and other factions felt half-baked, it's much better.
Sega pushed them onto an unrealistic budget and production schedule, likely either to patch a bad quarter report or to manufacture a failure as an excuse to fold the studio. They did the ecact same thing to CA, their other strategy game dev, in the same timeframe.
The result was an overpriced, incomplete product with poor post-release support from a studio with both hands tied behind its back.
Over a year later it's been patched into what it should have been at launch, but its singleplayer modes are basically going to remain an enduring testament to why you don't want to work for Sega.
Nobody here will tell you because they didn't play the game
They only want CoH to not be CoH
I'm playing right now and I'm enjoying it
Relic like always grabbed the L from the jaws of victory tho
peak relic was probably coh1, took everything from dow and elevated it to its natural conclusion. since then it's been refinement and evolution that hasn't always worked.
>Italian faction
Yes, I'm sure they'll add it, and a faction for every literally who Axis member that accomplished nothing. The only way an Italian faction could exist is if they added Ethiopia, with infantry only and pre-WW1 equipment. Alternatively, it could be an archon/co-op faction that has 1 player as the Italians and the second player as the Germs who has to bail them out in the mid-game.
Face it, Luigi, Italy doesn't work as a faction on its own. It'll always play 5th fiddle to the axis roster.
Italy and Japan would work perfectly well in a CoH game. They have plenty of weapons, tanks, aircraft, etc. for a fully fleshed out faction. You take no more liberties to include them than what the series has already done in every single game so far.
>Italian front >no Italian faction
It will never not be wrong.
if they've accomplished nothing then german factions should be destined to lose because they lost in the end, right?
That's not how games work and nobody fricking cares about your sperging. you have the resources, you have the data you have the market, there was zero (0) reasons not to do that.
War Thunder is doing just fine with lol factions like China, Israel and Sweden.
Ethiopia will be added with Italy and their soldiers will have ludicrous hp because le resistant nignogs and Ethiopia will either get tanks or have stupid imba cheap af AT which can kill panthers.
Nothing beyond the fact we live in a post-fact world. Game is better than 2, this is fact. But gamers are moronic, whiny and prone to sheeple mentality so they cry about everything.
The fact is no one in this thread would be able to give any real complaint as to why it is supposed to be bad.
Make the doctrine selection also be a sub faction selection.
If I pick US Infantry, let me get some beefier base rifle squads. If I pick armored company, give me armoured infantry with a bazooka.
Make the choice really have an immediate impact.
Why did they decide to make the matches their 30+ minutes? Why does every base start out with 4 MG bunkers, making you waste time getting armor even if you're dominating the map?
nothing really, besides the scope of 4 factions and 2 campaigns (one of which being a total war style turn based) was clearly too much and impacted the quality of the core of the game until recently. other than that, it's an improvement on the previous installments in many ways
>And who the frick gives a shit about the African Front
CoH fans.
It might've been fake, but there was a survey about preferred theater setting and Italy/Africa was winning, at least for a while.
And why is that a bad thing?
Africa is the earliest in the war that both sides were practicing combined arms maneuver warfare (instead of the french and soviets being one-sidedly beaten down while refusing to adapt) and it was a dramatic back and forth battle that ends in the axis' first major land defeat of the war. It's one of the few theatres of WW2 not drowned in american ego or russian propaganda.
I really don't get the autism about this. We have a whole steam catalog about D-Day and the eastern front and yet every discussion about coh3 is dominated by autistic screeching that other fronts existed and mattered.
I am absolutely not saying that it's a bad thing, I'm happy about it actually. Africa means focus on earlier tech, which is great, too bad that Relic fricked that up and still included Black Princes and Chaffees (which were barely or not present at all during WW2), although I think this could be fixed.
It's just sad that Italy got canned so fricking hard and it looks like it's a permanent solution because muh fascism.
It's like making a WW1 game and not including Brits or Austria-Hungary properly and instead making them special units to France and Germany respectively.
>And who the frick gives a shit about the African Front? Might aswell would've added it as a DLC.
redditors who think asking for a front that's already been done before is "boring". So now we get a shitty 1942 desert setting with no soviets and no latewar tech (except when relic feels like it for some reason as seen with chaffes, etc.)
The correct answer to "what theater of ww2 should x game be set in is always 1944-45 eastern front because it allows for every unit to be on the table.
they did the eastern front in the previous game. it makes no sense to repeat it honestly. I imagine they had an eastern front expansion planned for coh3, but with everything thats happened that is probably a ways off
Plus there's way more competition now for pc strategy games set in the eastern front specifically compared to when CoH2 first dropped. Why compete in that market when your competitors are entrenched and popular if you can sidestep it entirely?
>And who the frick gives a shit about the African Front
CoH fans.
It might've been fake, but there was a survey about preferred theater setting and Italy/Africa was winning, at least for a while.
said there was a "what front" survey. i know because I took it and voted for Africa/North italy
Pacific never. It's pretty simple, Germany formally recognises its actions during WW2, but the works of Franz Halder and others have fostered this myth that the Werhmacht were not responsible for sby of it. The plausible deniability lets them depict the german army in a neutral light as a playable faction--this is also why they refuse to make the SS playable.
Japan is different. They formally deny all wrongdoing during the war to this day, but unlike the Germans there's no plausible deniability, no mainstream idea that it was all someone else's fault. Depicting Japan will inevitably offend someone, either the Japanese or the chinese, korean and southeast asian cultures they brutalized through occupation. Relic very clearly cares about this, being perceived as a game dev that caters to neonazis and ziggers is PR death.
If causing offence was a real issue in WW2 games it would be a disaster, no games would ever have a soviet faction even if we assume they only have a german faction because of the secret wehrmacht deepstate
>no games would ever have a soviet faction
CoH2 is literally the only ww2 strategy game made in the west with playable soviets and reloc regards that as a huge mistake. All the others are made in eastern europe or I guess in HOI's case pretentious neutral land.
It's not because the west doesn't care about the eastern front, but because the west cares about warcrimes and not appearing to glorify their perpetrators. CoH2 attempting to sincerely depict a controversial force just pissed off the large section of their playerbase that spent its life uncritically swallowing communist propaganda.
>blyat tovarish Stalin did nothing wrong >Ruskie myr stronk
Those were the days
>We would NEVER send troops to the front without equipment, use barrier troops or execute human wave attacks >they literally fricking do even in 2024
I'll never forget the russians for wasting our time with that bullshit for nearly a decade.
Next level delusion.
I said stay in school!
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you have to do something with yourselves. idk what, go outside more, limit time on social media that makes you crazy, be it Ganker, shitcord, instagram, youtube, whatever. but you have to do something to change your course before it's too late
You homosexuals are the ones living in delusion. No one cares about the eastern front. People care about WW2 from a Hollywood perspective, with D-day and the bocage and shit. It's like you don't realize you are mouthbreathing history nerds and in the tiny minority.
Besides, more than ever no one would want to play as muh heroic russians today.
> You could always play as the German side in our game since COH1 in multiplayer, but this is the first major campaign that we've launched with them.
what the frick are they talking about? CoH1 had German campaigns
coh1 two shorter german campaigns in the dlc. they're technically right that this is the first time when a german faction gets a campaign of any sort AT LAUNCH.
>russian morons nearly lose >german morons get bogged down in the snow >Americans bail out the russian morons with a gorillion tons of materiel >russian morons push back the depleted germans, suffering a gigagorillion casualties in the process
wow so exciting, so strategic
>russian morons nearly lose >german morons get bogged down in the snow >Americans bail out the russian morons with a gorillion tons of materiel >russian morons push back the depleted germans, suffering a gigagorillion casualties in the process
wow so exciting, so strategic
Pacific never. It's pretty simple, Germany formally recognises its actions during WW2, but the works of Franz Halder and others have fostered this myth that the Werhmacht were not responsible for sby of it. The plausible deniability lets them depict the german army in a neutral light as a playable faction--this is also why they refuse to make the SS playable.
Japan is different. They formally deny all wrongdoing during the war to this day, but unlike the Germans there's no plausible deniability, no mainstream idea that it was all someone else's fault. Depicting Japan will inevitably offend someone, either the Japanese or the chinese, korean and southeast asian cultures they brutalized through occupation. Relic very clearly cares about this, being perceived as a game dev that caters to neonazis and ziggers is PR death.
you have to do something with yourselves. idk what, go outside more, limit time on social media that makes you crazy, be it Ganker, shitcord, instagram, youtube, whatever. but you have to do something to change your course before it's too late
What went right more like
yeah, killing modern Relic was a mercy for the RTT genre
I remember seeing the announcement trailer and deciding it wasn't for me after they put the female partisan front and center. Also I remember reading an article near release stating the Axis campaign was not going to focus its story on the Germans or the Italians, but was instead going to be about a israeli Berber family so I had a laugh then ignored it.
>the Axis campaign was not going to focus its story on the Germans or the Italians, but was instead going to be about a israeli Berber family
hahahaha this CAN'T be true
https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/company-of-heroes-3s-dual-campaigns-are-a-gripping-mix-of-old-and-new
https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/company-of-heroes-3s-dual-campaigns-are-a-gripping-mix-of-old-and-new
I'm not touching this pozzed garbage until an USA+ANZAC vs. Japan addon with an extra campaign finally gets ammounced.
> You could always play as the German side in our game since COH1 in multiplayer, but this is the first major campaign that we've launched with them.
what the frick are they talking about? CoH1 had German campaigns
>israeli berber
So...a north african israelite opposing the allies? Would be neat having a israeli faction for the axis though.
No Italian faction
Units take too long to kill, especially when they click magic "retreat" button
Thats pretty much it, if those 2 things get fixed then the game will be good
As we all know there were no Italians who liked Mussolini. They were all communist freedom fighters.
They must’ve really loved it once the trains started to run late again
this and the presentation was shit, sound is bad, music is awful, factions are bland, and the maps are limited.
>presentation was shit
I dont get this point, i liked the visual style of CoH3
>sound is bad, music is awful
I have 0 musical taste so i cant really weight in here
Maybe at launch now it's fixed
>factions are bland
What? Compared to both past games, where it was Murrica vs Wehr and other factions felt half-baked, it's much better.
they need an italian faction
the TTK is hotly debated but I think it's partly a reaction to what happened when the TTK was lowered in coh2.
presentation is fine, sound is fine, music is awful and the worst they've ever done factions aren't bland and the maps are no longer limited
Sega pushed them onto an unrealistic budget and production schedule, likely either to patch a bad quarter report or to manufacture a failure as an excuse to fold the studio. They did the ecact same thing to CA, their other strategy game dev, in the same timeframe.
The result was an overpriced, incomplete product with poor post-release support from a studio with both hands tied behind its back.
Over a year later it's been patched into what it should have been at launch, but its singleplayer modes are basically going to remain an enduring testament to why you don't want to work for Sega.
Nobody here will tell you because they didn't play the game
They only want CoH to not be CoH
I'm playing right now and I'm enjoying it
Relic like always grabbed the L from the jaws of victory tho
why does everyone hate the new aussie bg? I found its fine as long as you dont spam the aussies
Stopped after CoH1 chads where we at?
Reporting in, i guess CoH 2 never clicked for me
I think peak Relic was DOW1. DOW2 was only okay and I think that disappointment made me pass on COH2.
peak relic was probably coh1, took everything from dow and elevated it to its natural conclusion. since then it's been refinement and evolution that hasn't always worked.
after a few more patches you might like coh3. apparently it's much more closer to coh1 than coh2
still playing coh1 with an older version of bk mod
Nothing, I like it. I'll play once I get home from work. Don't care if some vatniks are mad that they ain't the main character.
>Italian faction
Yes, I'm sure they'll add it, and a faction for every literally who Axis member that accomplished nothing. The only way an Italian faction could exist is if they added Ethiopia, with infantry only and pre-WW1 equipment. Alternatively, it could be an archon/co-op faction that has 1 player as the Italians and the second player as the Germs who has to bail them out in the mid-game.
Face it, Luigi, Italy doesn't work as a faction on its own. It'll always play 5th fiddle to the axis roster.
CoH3 could use a Jap theater though.
Italy and Japan would work perfectly well in a CoH game. They have plenty of weapons, tanks, aircraft, etc. for a fully fleshed out faction. You take no more liberties to include them than what the series has already done in every single game so far.
>Japan faction
>Can't bayonet your enemies
What's the point
small indie developer pls understand
>Italian front
>no Italian faction
It will never not be wrong.
if they've accomplished nothing then german factions should be destined to lose because they lost in the end, right?
That's not how games work and nobody fricking cares about your sperging. you have the resources, you have the data you have the market, there was zero (0) reasons not to do that.
War Thunder is doing just fine with lol factions like China, Israel and Sweden.
>German factions destined to lose
If it was Soviets, US, and UK against 1 Germany player, then yeah, that's how it'll play out.
>It will never not be wrong
Who do you think was doing all the fighting on the mainland?
axis nations and italy was one of them 🙂
Ethiopia will be added with Italy and their soldiers will have ludicrous hp because le resistant nignogs and Ethiopia will either get tanks or have stupid imba cheap af AT which can kill panthers.
Thats nice anon! what else happened at school today?
>Seethalian still mad they lost the first Italian-Ethiopian war
Embarrassing tbh senpai I'd rope myself if I was born a sh*talian.
But enough about HOI4
>The only way an Italian faction could exist is if they added Ethiopia
Retarted.
They can easily add Greece with Italy and make a campaign off of it and have it fit in the game better.
Didn't improve on anything from CoH2.
Nothing beyond the fact we live in a post-fact world. Game is better than 2, this is fact. But gamers are moronic, whiny and prone to sheeple mentality so they cry about everything.
The fact is no one in this thread would be able to give any real complaint as to why it is supposed to be bad.
yep, too bad RTS gamers have the worst crab in a bucket mentality ever observed
>proves me right by providing no argument
I think they need to double engagement ranges and have TTK decrease exponentially the closer you are to an opponent.
Make the doctrine selection also be a sub faction selection.
If I pick US Infantry, let me get some beefier base rifle squads. If I pick armored company, give me armoured infantry with a bazooka.
Make the choice really have an immediate impact.
Support centers already work like that
Why did they decide to make the matches their 30+ minutes? Why does every base start out with 4 MG bunkers, making you waste time getting armor even if you're dominating the map?
annihilation is not the main gamemode.
Domination is really ass, do people really enjoy that?
funny you should mention this because one of the biggest complaints about coh3 is that the matches are too short
Is japan a faction yet
nothing really, besides the scope of 4 factions and 2 campaigns (one of which being a total war style turn based) was clearly too much and impacted the quality of the core of the game until recently. other than that, it's an improvement on the previous installments in many ways
https://community.companyofheroes.com/coh-franchise-home/company-of-heroes-3/blogs/116-preview-coral-viper-hot-fix-balance-changes
neat
Those bofors changes are absolutely insane, complete overkill.
damn the new bofors chews shit up at an insane rate
God, why do these games get SMALLER every time, there isn't even a proper italian faction,
And who the frick gives a shit about the African Front? Might aswell would've added it as a DLC.
coh3 is definitely the biggest launch coh game by like, raw units. im not sure what you mean
Just a russian coping that the eastern front wasn't the center of the universe
>And who the frick gives a shit about the African Front
CoH fans.
It might've been fake, but there was a survey about preferred theater setting and Italy/Africa was winning, at least for a while.
And why is that a bad thing?
Africa is the earliest in the war that both sides were practicing combined arms maneuver warfare (instead of the french and soviets being one-sidedly beaten down while refusing to adapt) and it was a dramatic back and forth battle that ends in the axis' first major land defeat of the war. It's one of the few theatres of WW2 not drowned in american ego or russian propaganda.
I really don't get the autism about this. We have a whole steam catalog about D-Day and the eastern front and yet every discussion about coh3 is dominated by autistic screeching that other fronts existed and mattered.
I am absolutely not saying that it's a bad thing, I'm happy about it actually. Africa means focus on earlier tech, which is great, too bad that Relic fricked that up and still included Black Princes and Chaffees (which were barely or not present at all during WW2), although I think this could be fixed.
It's just sad that Italy got canned so fricking hard and it looks like it's a permanent solution because muh fascism.
It's like making a WW1 game and not including Brits or Austria-Hungary properly and instead making them special units to France and Germany respectively.
>And who the frick gives a shit about the African Front? Might aswell would've added it as a DLC.
redditors who think asking for a front that's already been done before is "boring". So now we get a shitty 1942 desert setting with no soviets and no latewar tech (except when relic feels like it for some reason as seen with chaffes, etc.)
The correct answer to "what theater of ww2 should x game be set in is always 1944-45 eastern front because it allows for every unit to be on the table.
they did the eastern front in the previous game. it makes no sense to repeat it honestly. I imagine they had an eastern front expansion planned for coh3, but with everything thats happened that is probably a ways off
Plus there's way more competition now for pc strategy games set in the eastern front specifically compared to when CoH2 first dropped. Why compete in that market when your competitors are entrenched and popular if you can sidestep it entirely?
yeah exactly - also as
said there was a "what front" survey. i know because I took it and voted for Africa/North italy
Italian Front is a joke. We should have gotten Pacific Theater with amphibious mechanics.
Pacific never. It's pretty simple, Germany formally recognises its actions during WW2, but the works of Franz Halder and others have fostered this myth that the Werhmacht were not responsible for sby of it. The plausible deniability lets them depict the german army in a neutral light as a playable faction--this is also why they refuse to make the SS playable.
Japan is different. They formally deny all wrongdoing during the war to this day, but unlike the Germans there's no plausible deniability, no mainstream idea that it was all someone else's fault. Depicting Japan will inevitably offend someone, either the Japanese or the chinese, korean and southeast asian cultures they brutalized through occupation. Relic very clearly cares about this, being perceived as a game dev that caters to neonazis and ziggers is PR death.
If causing offence was a real issue in WW2 games it would be a disaster, no games would ever have a soviet faction even if we assume they only have a german faction because of the secret wehrmacht deepstate
>no games would ever have a soviet faction
CoH2 is literally the only ww2 strategy game made in the west with playable soviets and reloc regards that as a huge mistake. All the others are made in eastern europe or I guess in HOI's case pretentious neutral land.
It's not because the west doesn't care about the eastern front, but because the west cares about warcrimes and not appearing to glorify their perpetrators. CoH2 attempting to sincerely depict a controversial force just pissed off the large section of their playerbase that spent its life uncritically swallowing communist propaganda.
>blyat tovarish Stalin did nothing wrong
>Ruskie myr stronk
Those were the days
>We would NEVER send troops to the front without equipment, use barrier troops or execute human wave attacks
>they literally fricking do even in 2024
I'll never forget the russians for wasting our time with that bullshit for nearly a decade.
You homosexuals are the ones living in delusion. No one cares about the eastern front. People care about WW2 from a Hollywood perspective, with D-day and the bocage and shit. It's like you don't realize you are mouthbreathing history nerds and in the tiny minority.
Besides, more than ever no one would want to play as muh heroic russians today.
Your IQ is extremely low and you are obviously very impressionable.
bait used to be believable.
coh1 two shorter german campaigns in the dlc. they're technically right that this is the first time when a german faction gets a campaign of any sort AT LAUNCH.
No one except russians give a frick about soviets and most of that playerbase is rotting in some ukranian field right now.
oh boy, you have no fricking idea how many western russiaboos are out there.
>Nobody cares about the most important and interesting front of the war
Stay in school kids.
>russian morons nearly lose
>german morons get bogged down in the snow
>Americans bail out the russian morons with a gorillion tons of materiel
>russian morons push back the depleted germans, suffering a gigagorillion casualties in the process
wow so exciting, so strategic
I said stay in school!
Next level delusion.
you have to do something with yourselves. idk what, go outside more, limit time on social media that makes you crazy, be it Ganker, shitcord, instagram, youtube, whatever. but you have to do something to change your course before it's too late
physician heal thyself
Commit canadian healthcare
What went so right?
>What went wrong?
What went wrong, Ganker? My skill issue has become something of a humiliation ritual and because of it, I didn't beat the game.
Will I ever be a woman?