What went wrong with villain teams? Why do the stakes keep getting smaller?
In my day bad guys wanted to destroy the world
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What went wrong with villain teams? Why do the stakes keep getting smaller?
>In my day bad guys wanted to destroy the world
lol gay zoomer.
gen 1, 2, 7, 8, 9 have the only good teams
weak bait
Fake
You forgot Lusamine's and Neo Macros Teams
>Rocket shot itself in the foot by trying to be the mob but also being literal bioengineers so neither side can be satisfied
>Magma had an actual point but moronic execution, Aqua was straight up moronic
>Galactic was straight up moronic
>Plasma could have been the best if they didn't make it so obvious they were villains
>Flare was literally Rich Kids Funding Genocide
>Skull was interesting for taking the angle of youth in revolt but they ended up being patsies for Lusamine
>Yell were just football hooligans/simps
>Star was half-baked but there was an idea of how academia can fail students
They're all kinda bad. Manga Plasma was probably the best we got.
I like that they’re moronic. I just like the world-ending stakes.
Teams wanting to destroy the world are fricking cringe and Aqua/Magma and Galactic are objectively awful teams that make no real sense, especially Galactic, though at least Aqua is so insane it loops around to being humorous. The teams going from thugs in gen 1 to terrorists is also a symptom of Masuda's "chosen one" writing, making the legendaries central to the plot which cheapens the appeal and makes the player character the second coming of christ. Awful.
I'm glad they figured out a good middle ground around Gen 7, Team Skull was really good, but sadly they kept trying to repeat Team Skull afterwards resulting in the joke that is Team Yell.
Team Star is barely an evil team but that's because SV has way more other shit going on with its antagonist and legendary so it gets a pass imo.
For me it's something like
1/2=5 > 7 > [Power Gap] > ORAS 3 > 9 [everything behind this fricking sucks] > 6=4=3 > 8 for both Yell and that other team.
Cool blurb.
Could have just admitted you have no taste tho
>he teams going from thugs in gen 1 to terrorists is also a symptom of Masuda's "chosen one" writing, making the legendaries central to the plot which cheapens the appeal and makes the player character the second coming of christ. Awful.
Why do people keep forgetting that Giovanni and Blaine ran a gene splicing lab in Cinnabar to make a literal bioweapon? Rocket was never grounded.
I'm sure the wet dream of any mafia is to get better and better weapons, moron. There are no guns in the Pokeworld.
The Safari Zone episode is right there.
Which retcon headcanon is this? GIovanni never has any actual connections to Mewtwo in the original games, people just started pairing up the two together because of the anime, It took some 20 years for Giovanni and Mewtwo to actually be seen together in a Pokemon game and that's some fricked up AU version I don't give a shit about.
>calls it headcanon only to say it happened in the anime in the same sentence
yes because game canon and anime canon are exactly the same
holy frick bros wheres the crystal onix, real life mongoose, or baby lugia. fricking moron, the old anime did whatever the frick they wanted and are a wildly different take on pretty much everything from the games and walking into a thread based on the games discussion and going "but the anime did x!", ESPECIALLY in regards to the gen 1 anime, should get you laughed out of the room.
>caring about canon in the most disjointed, made-up-as-it-went-along franchise in history
>ran a gene splicing lab in Cinnabar to make a literal bioweapon
Seems pretty grounded for a game about supernatural fighting monsters
>I have a critical lack of imagination so any antagonist with big ambition is automatically bad, villains should never try to be anything but glorified bullies who want my lunch money. I don't understand a thing about history either so this is realistic to me.
The demographic for Pokémon has always been children. The problem is that children are becoming much less intelligent every year. They can't digest or comprehend even the childish philosophical meaning behind the old villains.
The stakes got out of control in Gen 3 - 6
Team Skull was reasonably liked
>The stakes got out of control in Gen 3 - 6
I liked the chaos. Mc felt important and like a hero. Newer games just make u feel like an npc
>I liked the chaos. Mc felt important and like a hero
You know what I can respect that.
>Newer games just make u feel like an npc
I think this is very true of SM, since you have no business in the Lusamine problem and are pushed into the middle of it.
>I liked the chaos.
What do you mean, chaos? The only slightly-chaotic bit I can think of was in RSE when the box legends were on the loose.
>Mc felt important and like a hero.
We had very different experiences. The most heroic I've ever felt in a Pokémon game was in GSC.
>Newer games just make u feel like an npc
That's for sure. Alola might have been good if not for that.
>Mc felt important and like a hero.
The main characters have always been extremely mishandled. GameFreak turns them into blank slates because they're too lazy to write legitimate main characters.
it peaked with Galactic honestly
>Why do the stakes keep getting smaller?
Truth bomb, coming through: Low-stakes stories are more compelling, not less.
This. Saving the world is an overused, boring trope. I would much rather save a small town in a game than the whole world.
I think Emerald had the right approach, you weren't the chosen one, you were just at the right place at the right time to stop Team Magma and Team Aqua who were both in over their heads, the fact that you only need to visit Sky Pillar instead of catching any of the Weather Trio fortified this. As much as I like Gen 5 I think it really went to shit there since if you didn't want to catch the game's legendary at the story's climax you had to go out of your way to do so, and it was straight up impossible not to catch the legendary in XY/ORAS and since.
Magma and Aqua are one of the dumbest teams. If they were in the newer games everyone would be rightfully shitting on them
Literally only one wanted to do that.
They aren't woke enough.
>Completely run Orre.
>Do crime out on the open.
>Turn pokemon into feral killing machines.
>Physically beat people up.
>Make a lot of money because they run the colosseums.
>Use Team Snagem as patsy's to take most of the blame.
For me it's Cipher
Because they stopped making the real villains, but in crossovers they have to use these goons because they have uniformed footsoldiers.
>Why do the stakes keep getting smaller?
because they started to finally start writing good stories instead of reskinning the same slop from gen 3 nauseam