What would the series look like if there wasn't such harsh backlash to these games?
What would the series look like if there wasn't such harsh backlash to these games?
What would the series look like if there wasn't such harsh backlash to these games?
a lot worse. they weren’t criticised enough honestly
what harsh backlash?
Exactly. Universal praise at launch, and further prise when BW2, the almost universally agreed upon best game in the series, is hardly a "backlash." I don't get this weird retconning of gen 5 being bad.
I like to imagine we would have gotten Gen 5 Hoenn remakes instead of B2W2 being made to temper BW hatred.
yeah I would have loved to play emerald but with uglier graphics and more power creep and a copy/pasted battle subway instead of simply popping in emerald into my DS.
>yeah I would have loved to play emerald but with uglier graphics
why would they make Emerald look like RBY?
RBY has better graphics than emerald
There wasn't so basically how it is.
Sure, that's totally how corporations think anon.
The fan base is made of children and autistic man-children. Backlash was inevitable. The only way to improve the games is to improve who it attracts. Unfortunately, well-adjusted citizens are busy helping their communities instead of playing video games.
Seems to me Game Freak just kept on following design trends from this game, aside from limiting you to the new gens pokedex only
This exactly. Removal of features that have been around for generations, focusing on story and characters that no one likes, dumbing down RPG aspects to appeal to more casuals. BW started the downfall.
Maybe to an extent, I'm sure leaving Japan and being a soft reboot was inevitably going to change the design philosophy. But it was also
>Last games to not add a bunch of new forms of old mons
>Last games without a power-up battle feature
>Last games that forced me to fricking EV train
>Last games to add over 100 new mons
>Last games that left parts of the region for the post game
this
Unova was the first region that felt more like a theme park than an actual place, and had cutscenes out the ass and a shitty anime story. I don't really get why BW is considered so different than what came after. they would have made the switch to 3D regardless, which is why the games have gone downhill technically, GF clearly just doesn't have the competence to develop on that scale, I don't think it has anything to do with them "giving up".
I guess if anything gen 6 might have had more original pokemon and not leaned on megas, but even then I'm doubtful. it was only a matter of time before the well ran dry and old designs were revisited.
I feel like the path they went down was pretty well inevitable, it mostly has to do with trying to adapt to new hardware in subsequent generations. had they stayed 2D, the games probably would have continued to be more like BW, but I really doubt the decision to go 3D had anything to do with BW's reception.
this might be the only major change, and if we had gotten gen 5 hoenn remakes we might have gotten Z, so who knows what that would look like. but I'm not sure if a hoenn remake was really necessary at all, RSE aged well and BW2 are probably a bigger net gain for the series
>the first region that felt more like a theme park than an actual place, and had cutscenes out the ass and a shitty anime story
but enough about Hoenn
>regions would be made to stand on their own character-wise and in worldbuilding
>megas reserved for gen 7/whatever game would line up with anniversary instead of pulling them out to win fan favor in gen 6
>fairy might still exist, but alternatively we'd have the same 17 types but dragon has more weaknesses
>gamefreak wouldn't entirely give up on making future titles
>pokemon design would have more variety
>games wouldn't be intentionally gimped to coincide with the anime and tcg
>regions would be made to stand on their own character-wise and in worldbuilding
the gens after gen 5 did this better than gen 5
it was really cool how gen 5 stood on its own by making me collect 8 badges to fight the elite 4 just like kanto again
>I can't explain why I think the things I do
Do you think Pokeballs are there to call back to Kanto? No? Good. Badges and Elite 4s are just how regions work anon.
stop feeding the troll
>Badges and Elite 4s are just how regions work
Then why do Alola and Galar exist?
exceptions don't disprove tendencies. Haiti not having a functional government (outlier) doesn't disprove that it's a country. Not everyone with democracy is referencing the Greeks.
nice strawman
It shares one with Kanto, autismo
stop feeding the troll
>Badges and Elite 4s are just how regions work
Then why doesn’t Johto have an Elite 4?
>Do you think Pokeballs are there to call back to Kanto? No? Good
It’s funny how you make this argument and then proceed to cry when Machamp and Gengar show up in Galar.
>Machamp and Gengar show up in Galar
no one cries about this, every gen did this, but what every gen didn't do was rely on old pokemon to compose most of it's identity
but what every gen didn't do was rely on kanto’s story structure of collecting 8 badges and entering victory road and fighting the e4 to compose most of it's identity
parroting is an admission of defeat
BW didn't make you become the champion, I like how you left that out. If we're going off the qualities of Kanto being
>8 badges
>Evil team
>Elite 4
>Champion
Then the only Pokemon games that really strictly fit are all the Kanto titles, the Hoenn titles, the Sinnoh titles, XY, and SV. The Johto titles technically don't count given the region doesn't have an E4, BW don't count because you don't become champion, the Alola titles don't count because they're way different, and the Game Cube titles are extremely different.
Also, forgot Galar because it's very easy to forget. Due to the way their tournament at the end works it doesn't strictly fit either.
>BW didn't make you become the champion
Yes it did. The whole climax of the game is having to defeat N who is the champion.
MOOOOOOOOOOOOODS HE'S NOT SUCKING OFF GEN 5 BAN HIM BAN HIM BAN HIM PLEASE HE'S DISCORD HE'S FROM THE DISCORD BAN HIM BAN HIM
What the frick is wrong with you?
Gen 5 is peak. You're all wrong.
not a single thing peaked in gen 5. fricking dogshit
Everything peaked in Gen 5. It was literally Masuda's Magnum Opus and nothing before or after came close. You're all just seething at the games' superiority!
*Masuda's magnum floppus
ftfy
Chudizard wouldn't get wanked off so much every single game and steal the spotlight from more deserving mons just because they aren't from KANTOOOOOO
Probably no different?
2016 brought the whole world back to Pokémon, bud. There’s no getting away from Gen 1 during Gen 6/7.
>minor npc that you have to go out of your way to speak to ≠ charizard pandering
>gen 5 wasn't perfect
>bort meltdown everywhere
>gen 5 is dogshit
>frick you, its great
>haha wow, melty much?
It's so tiring. Just make a point without using hyperbole or jumping down someone's throat.
The games would be a billion times better and anybody who disagrees is a massive wienersucking moronic genwunner with shit taste
we wouldnt even have to deal with the woke trash that we have now
gen 5 was the last anti-woke pokemon game
Same as what we see now honestly. As long as dev times remain the same, and as the series cements it's identity as the Highest Grossing Franchise of all time, the games will still remain tepid and marketed toward the crowd.
Just a reminder - It was Gen 4 that made gen 5 sell less. Gen 4 (D/P to be precise) is the one that people hated for being slow, have not enough new pokemon, shallow characters and being very tedious.
Platinium fixed all of these things. Thats why its saved Gen 4. But Many people LEFT the franchise by then and they did not supported gen 5.
Also Gen 5 had really good Map with lots of backtracking and exploration, it wasnt as linear as people make it. (B/W2 had even more).
platinum did NOT fix all of those things
it did
>Also Gen 5 had really good Map with lots of backtracking and exploration
the previous regions already did this without being a line
DP were universally loved on release.
Gen 5 flopped due to piracy.
This. Not to say that Gen 5 didn’t spark backlash on it’s own but Gen 4 was the first game that didn’t feel like a sizable leap in scope and paired with the sluggishness and unexciting pokedex roster it turned people off until new and shiny 3D models and Gen 6.
Pokemon during gen 4 was the most popular it had ever been since pokemania, you’re insane. There was zero backlash against DP. DP hate is entirely retroactive from the modern community
>they did not supported
Jajaja stay in school mi amigo
These games were judged far too harshly. I remember, I can't believe it was a decade ago, how much people were mad at them.
That's why gamefreak never tried anything new ever again.
Every single gen outside of gen 5 tried more new things than gen 5
Lower Dex and one new gimmick every gen is not something new
stop feeding the troll
Leaning on KANTOOOOOOOOO doesn't count as trying more new things.
Gen 5 discourse is so frustrating because you can literally look at user scores of this game on multiple sites. Metacritic and Gamefaqs will show you that these games were almost universally praised upon release. It had plenty of criticisms but so did every gen since 3. I don't understand why people act like these games were hated and that "You ruined the series!" It's flat out wrong and it takes a search and a click to see that this narrative is false.
Ok, so Island Challenges were nothing new? Sun and Moon were the most the games deviated from the established formula at the time, and then Legends Arceus did even more so and Scarlet and Violet adapted more open world.
Again, people like to act like Gen 5 was this super innovative game and they've only played it safe since then. It's really funny because one of the bigger criticisms Gen 5 had at the time was that it was more of the same and formulaic
You clearly weren’t there at the time if you think the backlash against BW didn’t happen.
People didn’t know how good we had it because we had yet to see a single bad pokemon game, so just a few pokemon being "ugly" was enough to make people mad
Stop the revisionism anon. People nitpicked designs since Hoenn and did the same for Unova. The only difference now is that people are retroactively pretending Unova hate was more than it was and any hate prior was non-existent. All of these got infinitely less hate than modern crises, which are regular occurrences and extremely shitty.
BW hate was unprecedented, mostly because a lot of people were online when it came out. When RS came out the internet was still pretty niche. That was no longer the case for gen 5 as gen 4 had put everyone online. People were hype about gen 5 at first but then quickly turned against it.
Obviously they wouldn’t have if they knew what would come afterwards and actually a lot of them are admitting their mistake now, but they then fall for others, more recent hate bandwagons. The average person is NOT smart
>Obviously they wouldn’t have if they knew what would come afterwards
cope, unova is shit and everyone at the time knew it.
>if I keep repeating it it will change the past
>It doesn't count before Gen 5 because uhhhh..... *checks notes* no one used the internet before then.
Downplaying the amount of people does not mean Gen 3 criticism of designs didn't exist. Also, the internet was very much well known by 2003. At least half of the developed world had access by that point. You'd have a point if you were talking about 1991 - 1996, but not 2003
I don’t doubt that RS would have gotten a backlash just as big as BW if more people were on the internet and pokemon was more popular back then. Breaking the transfer chain and having half the pokemon be completely unavailable on release is way worse than what BW did. But gen 3 came out during the post-pokemania age where not many people cared about pokemon anymore except for kids. DP by coming out on one of the best selling systems of all time, having online connectivity, and having enough diversity of content to keep people talking about it, as well as the promotion behind the franchise being well done at the time (movies teasing new mons, lots of spinoff games, DP itself having connectivity with spinoffs and gen 3) ended up resurrecting people’s interest in pokemon and the rest of gen 4 managed to keep that interest, meaning many more people were anticipating gen 5 compared to gen 3, that’s also what caused the backlash.
>many more people were anticipating gen 5 compared to gen 3
Could you make it more obvious you weren't around lmao
Pretty much. Criticism of BW was extremely overblown. A small minority of some people not really seeing the value of a locked dex was strawmanned by insecure fans so that they vould feel like victims. People like
will never be able to provide hard facts or examples to support their claims because it never actually happened.
Literally just ask anyone who was part of the community at the time
If the hate was unprecented like ever before it would be extremely easy to show examples of how widespread it was, but unsurprisingly, no one can do that
A lot of it is on old forums which were still popular at the time
Just look at how the board still treats Gen 5
proof of the hate bandwagon and not much else
>no ribbons
>no berries
>too many tutorials
>bad story and characters
>shit monster designs
>dreamworld
>too much legendaries
>no contests
>second screen sucks
>no following pokemon
>useless difficulty modes
All complained about upon or near release.
gen 6 was the redemption we needed from the shit of a gen that was gen 5
Worse
Pokemon grey
Hoenn remakes in gen 5
Gen 6 would have been an improved version of gen 5 like 2 was to 1 and 4 was to 3, taking place in a region that is near Unova with a bunch of unovamons, possibly even a Unova revisit in the post game like with Johto (that may have been what ultimately became B2W2)
Basically I think there would have been a concept of "region group", regions that are near each other and have some pokemon in common, with gens 1-4 being the first region group, gens 5-8 being the second, and gen 9 would be the start of the third one
I have a hard time believing we’d get both a Grey and Gen 5 RS remakes with the 3DS breathing down Gamefreaks necks.
Hindsight be damned people were already annoyed about B2W2 coming out over a year after the 3DS launched, Gen 5 was going to be cut short regardless of backlash.