>surely I'll win if I keep saying the moronic thing over and over
Classic sisters.. You promised Metzen was here for us.. You were making leaks on Ganker for months about how Metzen was saving /us/.. I had such hopes for Blizzcon. Classic+ felt so close.. And look what we've been left with.. Retail abilities and lore changed to fit retails lore... I was promised new content, new raids.. New experiences.. New expansions.. High Elves and Ogres finally playable.. And what did I get? Three retail expansions and win trading in Stranglethorn
Seeing every member of my guild spamming RFK & SM from 26 to 40 this weekend finally convinced me that classic WoW probably isn’t for people like me
why do so many people have hundreds and thousands of gold at lvl 30
they do that because you rolled on a megaserver where questing is impossible. and also because questing is so easye now with op classes. its more fun to just blast through dungeons with homies. also by now everyone has leveled like 20 times through the game it just gets old.
It's like all the worst parts of classic with a healthy dose of retail mixed in, I have no fricking idea who the target audience is. It's the zoomiest parsegay shit imaginable and EVERYTHING is datamined before it goes live.
>It's the zoomiest parsegay shit imaginable and EVERYTHING is datamined before it goes live.
What are you talking about you moron
It takes several days after release for people to even find all the new runes
It's not classic plus. It's retail minus. Levelling in azeroth in wotlk is unironically better than this shit. >WOOOOOOW STEADY SHOT, CANT WAIT TO DISCOVER IT FOR THE 16TH YEAR IN A ROW
A style of custom server that caught on in the private server communities which tends to expand the Vanilla 1.12.1 client with new content ranging from zones, dungeons raids and the like, new mechanics like professions and races/classes, and shit, while also not deviating or intruding from the classic, vanilla feel
why doesnt blizzard just rent out wow servers to people and let them edit WoW and run their own server using blizzard client? Offer tools to devs, make players pay a sub fee still, people running the server could even make money somehow.
The game people are imagining when they say Classic+ would require effort and passion from the developers that Blizzard isn't willing to facilitate. Blizzard instead desperately wants you to believe that this gimmicky bullshit is Classic+.
Basically this, instead of getting Classic+ we got the Ascension rune system with retail abilities and some 5 man dungeons turned in to heroics then turned for 10 people. It's incredibly lazy. Infact it's embarrassing because trannies in their programmer socks can do a better job than paid professionals working for a fortune 500 company.
>vanilla game with some of the many things that were cut for time fully realised.
Nothing was "cut for time" in classic wow. This is just abilities they added years later after the fact. That, and just taking existing dungeons and giving a random boss 10x more hp and calling it a 'raid' now. It's low effort at best. But you can't expect much since it's basically done by 3 people.
Everything cut from classic, ultimately just became content for retail. >I want vanilla but with cut content like Outland and Emerald Dream
So you just want the expansions TBC and Dragonflight.
I'm aware that's what they say, but it's not true at all. The design philosophy of TBC and beyond was entirely different and substantially worse, and I'm not even entertaining your Dragonflight comment.
This anon knows. The people that made vanilla were a different set of people that made TBC/WOTLK. Near the end of vanilla's development, Kaplan and other Everquest-hires got onboarded to Blizzard. They weren't able to influence the design of vanilla too much, but with the layoffs that happened shortly after vanilla's release, they were able to get into positions that held some decision making power and skewed the design of the expansion heavily into what we see now
1. End game content is the only relevant content (because they were boss-farmers in EQ, they always whined for the next boss/raid to drop)
2. Vertical progression is the only progression
3. Play the expansion, not the game
Unfortunately this poisoned WoW's expansion design for decades. It's only NOW they realized that the majority of their playerbase is casual (because WoW is supposed to be a casual MMORPG experience) and that designing the game around poopsocking mythic raiders is not healthy for the game.
The game will be better off once Blizzard scraps raiding entirely and innovates some new large-scale PvE activity that can be done by tryhards and casuals; because right now no one cares about raiding. No one cares about e-sports mythics. That scene has and will always been astroturfed horseshit.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>1. End game content is the only relevant content (because they were boss-farmers in EQ, they always whined for the next boss/raid to drop)
Yes happened in vanilla >2. Vertical progression is the only progression
Yes happened in vanilla >3. Play the expansion, not the game
There's nothing that indicates this wouldn't be the case in vanilla
3 months ago
Anonymous
>1. End game content is the only relevant content
you say that like you didn't raid log vanilla >2. Vertical progression is the only progression
You know vanilla wow is 99% vertical progression right??? >3. Play the expansion, not the game
did you go back to deadmines when you clearing naxxramas?
3 months ago
Anonymous
Most people have no idea what they're talking about or read about vanilla without understanding none of what they read applies to classic. No one was farming their dungeon sets because there was no need since you could clear raids in leveling greens.
3 months ago
Anonymous
this, classic has nothing to do with vanilla and having experience in one means almost nothing in regards to the other
3 months ago
Anonymous
>you say that like you didn't raid log vanilla
neither were most people, homosexual.
finishing the old shit that never was. the original emerald dream, stockades, the hyjal raid, azshara etc. they had a lot of plans but just never got around to them and then cata basically did a table-flip on the prospect of getting around back to that stuff because lol everything is new now.
I have a WoW shitposting folder but I just haven't posted about it in months. It's pointless and feels empty. Everything about the game and its players mocks itself more than any shitty mock up or MS Paint image macro I could paste.
>completely outclassed by other healers >warlocks are replacing us >won't even mention this this god forsaken spec >blizzard still push meme specs like shockadin >blizzard still refuses to fix the class core issues >runes are an absolute joke >other classes get talent changes despite blizzard bullshitting about muh era core >itemization still suck
Being a paladin is pure pain
Second worst dps as ret currently
Warlocks are phasing us out at trash tanking which was our specialty
Heal is ok but priests are just monsters
Guarded by light and sheath of light are good but that's about it.
Art of war forces you to take exo so no snare and no interrupt, you'll also be oom in 2 fights
Go play druid and spam starsurge
Shams and druids are THE reddit class, literally never getting over the 5 same one shot videos from 2005 and played exclusively by dads. The fact they got what they wanted is absolute proof blizz is balancing about reddit
Black folk
Thats the funny part about the game if you think about it. >alliance have goldshire >goldshire is the place all the alliance hang out to ERP >these people ERPing are having more fun ERPing then anybody else whos actually playing the game in classic or retail
Just the thought of imagining spergs REEEEING there way through M+ while goldshire is full of gay dick suckers having the time of there life is hilarious to me
those types of autistic spergs go to goldshire as well to e-date and argue with eachother, its the most bizarre thing ever that one of the only 2 populated hang-out spots on retail is 20 feet from a bunch of 40 year old men having text sex
3 months ago
Anonymous
Its not bizarre, you need to understand that those people live in world of warcraft, its there life, they take pride in beating content designed to be beaten. Its why whenever you upset them they ask for your logs. >in real life you work all day then go pay for sex or go home and frick your wife >in wow you work all day (raid M+ arena) then go to goldshire and pay for sex or frick your wife
Its the same shit at the end of the day, ones just done in the vidya sphere.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Speaking of, logs has been mentioned six time in this thread already.
and the worst thing is that they listen to those fricking cesspools, reddits communities suck, they suck really hard.
When you balance and make changes to your games based on the hivemind will, you know shit's fricked, and they took WoW, Diablo, and hots down doing that
It's even funnier right now with some classes being heinously broken, like balance druids critting you for half your health with a 36yd instant cast 6s cooldown spell
It’s an incurable sickness that has warped the brains of people that never stop playing between patches.
I can't really blame them too much because the standards of people is just stupidly warped especially in classic. It's often a fear of missing out and not wanting to waste time when you consider that SoD is a seasonal thing and will go away at some point but ultimately it goes down to: >have to get to max so I get to grinding gold sooner for pre-bis >have to get pre-bis so I can get into groups that are asking for those >have to get gold so I can afford consumables and gear >have to quickly clear stuff and as efficiently as possible so I can have my bis >have to get my bis so I can then parse high >have to parse high so I can get into better groups and avoid trash pugs >after all that's done, have to continue to grind gold so I can be in top shape for next phase/patch/whatever
It's a vicious loop that is ultimately a making of how the playerbase is these days.
To be fair, the average player is also just so pants shittingly moronic and bad that I at least understand not wanting to play with 90% of the playerbase and needing a way to filter them.
I avoided that by simply playing with a guild and not needing to interact with anyone else.
>playing an updated version of vanilla with new shit added to the open world just so you can spend 4 days straight in stockade and the same run of SM over and over so you can dunk on people for getting to level 40 first
I just don't get why those last three items are the focal point of WoW and MMOs in general. The world, adventuring and massively multiplayer aspect is the interesting part to me. Same reason why OSRS lost me ever since they started focusing on raids.
Endgame-tuned world content, obviously, you fricking moron. Tough world mobs like Jinthalor, Tyr's Hand, Stromgarde, the Chimaerok isle, Silithids, etc. Tough/complex/interesting quest chains like Dungeon Set 1/2, the Scepter of the Shifting Sands, the TBC attunements, etc. You steadily gain power through quest rewards, faction rep, earned crafting recipes. You invest time into preparation for the power bump. You group up with other players on-the-fly to gain enough to be able to overcome.
You know that they had massive world quest components, right? You know what the word "like" means, right? Shut up, moron.
3 months ago
Anonymous
> quest rewards, faction rep, earned crafting recipes
these were also things that happened in dungeons, raids and BGs. turns out people take the name "world" in world of warcraft far too seriously. It's almost like people don't play this game for the sense of world but because it gives a great sense of progression.
>Dungeon Set 1/2, the Scepter of the Shifting Sands, the TBC attunements, etc.
you know all of those involved dungeons and raids right?
> quest rewards, faction rep, earned crafting recipes
these were also things that happened in dungeons, raids and BGs. turns out people take the name "world" in world of warcraft far too seriously. It's almost like people don't play this game for the sense of world but because it gives a great sense of progression.
Each class has 6 new runes from 25-40 and all of them are a lot more involved than the original 1-25 set
Like a lot of runes in 1-25 were just "kill this mob", "talk to this npc", "do this short little thing", but the new 25-40 runes are much longer and more convoluted. A single rune might involve traveling between 4 different zones, talking to multiple discrete NPCs, etc.
There are so many people on that questing is not feasible so you are forced to spam dungeons to level. People are also minmax zoomers so they have to get to max asap then b***h about lack of content
>forced to spam dungeons to level
didnt they ban dungeon spamming? did that change?
3 months ago
Anonymous
No? I know they nerfed 60 mages boosting in Era classic a shit ton but they haven't nerfed just running the same dungeons and reseting. You can only enter 5 instances an hour and 30 max a day but like you aren't hitting those outside of spamming SM GY over and over
3 months ago
Anonymous
I thought that was a mechanic they implemented in phase 1 and that was why everyone was just questing. might have just misinterpreted it
this
once again, dynamic respawn is broken and quest areas are flooded with players running around waiting for 1-2 min respawn mobs
I think it's just STV but a few other places had the same problem
Dungeon grinded from 25-30, tried to quest a bit, found it impossible and went back to dungeon grinding
Well that's what was always going to happen when retail's microtransactions make more money than Classic's subs.
The dev focus was never going to be creating fully new content and expansions for Vanilla as people hoped
Did anyone actually think the current wow community wouldn't enforce a meta in a server designed to allow you to do whatever you want with your classes?
>Blizzard literally tricked a bunch of dumb Black folk to pay them 15$ a month to level to 25 and re-run Black Fathom Depths off cool down for a quarter of a year >Blizzard 10 more levels and now they get to re-run Gnomeregan off cool down for over half a year and these dumb Black folk are on cloud nine.
My favorite part of this whole thing was everyone wanted classic +, a continuation of classic and then we got this and this is literally how all the streamers reacted and how all the sheep followed suit. >.....this.....isn......but......well.......ITS CLASSIC PLUS!
Blizzard has even less ideas for runes than morons who run ascension wow from which they copied it wholesale in the first place and everyone ate it up/ Really fricking grim.
>No one with a brain wanted classic+ because no one with a brain is playing classic to begin with, they're mythic raiding or keystone pushing on retail
Thos implies modern blizzard customers have functioning brains which is blatantly false
This. Say whatever you want about retail, but the high level play requires a university education and literally most players aren't capable of hacking it. So they flee to SoD and basically pretend raid like little kids, unironically parsing shit like Blackfathom Deeps and Gnomeregan.
>Post logs
I don't have any logs, I HAVE a brain, I don't play wow.
3 months ago
Anonymous
this is not the "i win" phrase you think it is
3 months ago
Anonymous
It really is, that homie checkmated you and you're seething about it.
3 months ago
Anonymous
post a pic of yourself standing knee deep in shit in india
can't? won't? I guess that's checkmate according to you
3 months ago
Anonymous
>erm okay you want to criticise the game but I notice you have yet to complete every raid on uber-mythic-special-plus-plus-ultra+ mode hmm curious
I think I loathe this genre of blizzdrone the most
I accept your respective concessions.
3 months ago
Anonymous
please go play league of legends and stay on reddit next time
>retail raiding is a failed e-sport the majority of the community don't wanna play.
During the last race for world first so little people showed up to watch it Method used EMBEDs on Wago.io for fake views, the biggest addon website. >M+ is a failed e-sport the majority of the community doesn't wanna play.
This is why at the end of every patch cycle for over a month long every weekly is Timewalking and NOT mythic, this was obviously done because of how poor mythic numbers are and how good Timewalkings numbers are, the Timewalking quests during this time also reward free heroic raid gear. >Arena is a failed e-sport the majority of the population don't wanna play
Really nothing to say here, its literally just dead. Gladiators que for an hour then get qued into a first time player que.
>that webm
FUN FACT: Blizz recently switched Warcraft Rumbles app icon to pic related because that ugly Gnome b***h being the mascot was the dumbest idea imaginable.
They also apparently nerfed her ingame unit into unplayability in the same patch.
>that webm
FUN FACT: Blizz recently switched Warcraft Rumbles app icon to pic related because that ugly Gnome b***h being the mascot was the dumbest idea imaginable.
They also apparently nerfed her ingame unit into unplayability in the same patch.
thatsstill pretty fricking ugly. everything looks like fortnite now
What I wanted was a new game, designed like an Everquest clone from the early 2000s but with modern QoL features and non-dogshit class designs. And they should've made it harder, Classic is way easier than originally intended because the game is completely solved at this point.
But what they did is: World of Warcraft 1.12 with a few new abilities. That's it. They didn't even bother to tweak talents or anything. Every zone is the same, every enemy is the same. Everything is the same.
>like an Everquest clone from the early 2000s
MIGHT of happened with Pantheon if Brad didn't die but with his death it ain't happenin, next TLP should be announced soon though!
This. We wanted the FEEL of classic, not the totally solved, streamlined feel of retail.
>HURF DURF ITS NOT POSSIBLE
Suck my fricking dick, if Russians and troons can make it work on TurtleWoW then don't fricking tell me that a small indie company of a few billion dollars cannot.
The only real way to enjoy WoW is to play a locally hosted private server of your own with no one to bother you.
I tried it out, it was strange, all veins and herbs up, all rares up, never having to wait for quest mobs, but I ended up with a crippling sense of weirdness, alone in a dead world, its like a rat breaking into a lab to get into a skinner box, just gets under your skin with its relentless strangeness. Dead MMOs on Steam cause the same feeling, but WoW is even weirder because you KNOW these places, you have memories of them. Seeing an empty and barren Northshire, Goldshire or SW main square is just strange.
>retail >totally solved
So go solve it. Right, you can't because you aren't skilled enough. You morons literally don't know what you want. You have no fricking clue.
>erm okay you want to criticise the game but I notice you have yet to complete every raid on uber-mythic-special-plus-plus-ultra+ mode hmm curious
I think I loathe this genre of blizzdrone the most
3 months ago
Anonymous
anon its not fair to say a pile of shit tastes like shit if you haven't even tried it yet
3 months ago
Anonymous
No its more like if you haven't eaten an entire 50 gallon drum of shit you aren't allowed to say that shit tastes bad
What the frick you shills are not getting that we don't want solved, over-convenient shit made for ADHD zoomies, filled with stronk womyn and persyns of color and gay couples?
>Suck my fricking dick, if Russians and troons can make it work on TurtleWoW
STOP BEING A FRICKING SHILL FOR TURTLE WOW
NO ONE CARES ABOU TURTLE WOW
NO ONE WILL EVER GIVE A SHIT ABOUT TURTLE WOW
FRICKING troony TURTLE WOW FRICKING have a nice day
I'M SICK AND FRICKING TIRED OF SEEING YOUR BLATANT SHILL POSTS ABOUT YOUR SERVER NO ONE GIVES A FRICK ABOUT
GET THE FRICK OUT ALREADY
DIE
>Classic is way easier than originally intended because the game is completely solved at this point.
Classic was beaten by keyboard turning ability clickers back in the day.
Its fun, but I dont really like the >rushing = everything is cleared in 1 day >non-permanent nature of SoD >balance is terrible = boomkins and palas can 1-2 shoot you
>Won't play turtle for free >Will shovel monthly payments to blizz for SoD
One's a flawed experience infested with bots for free, the other's a flawed experience infested with bots that costs money every month. This isnt a hard decission for anyone with a functioning brain
>STV event gets announced >people warn blizz that degenerates will just graveyard camp >game goes live >degenerates graveyard camp and get all the epics/gear right away >blizz knee-jerk hotfixes a moronic 1min timer that just slows everything the frick down to a painful pace
don't you guys just love playing a live beta test for $15/month
>Get attacked by a mage during the pvp event >Manage to defeat him in honorable 1v1 combat at the expensive of most of my mana and HP >Don't gain any bloods because he had the debuff >Don't get any honor either since honor gain is disabled for some reason what the frick >Feel angry despite 'winning' >This happens all the time since most players don't survive until the debuff expires
Somehow its even worse than the first Ashenvale event
The debuff thing is so stupid >Debuffed guy attacks you >You'll gain nothing for killing him >Need to spend resources for the fight like usual >He'll get normal rewards for killing you
If they want to prevent spawn camping, they need to give respawning players immunity and invisibility for like 20 secs so they can regroup. Right now I'm fighting through hordes of debuffed morons for no gain
>play on pvp server >graveyard farm on day 1 for the rewards >turn the event off and keep pvping in stv >people get nothing for killing me
another quality blizzard product
Ffs how fcking hard is it to get enchantmens and proper gear for gnomeregan, every raid has at least 1-3 people that need to be kicked and replaced for sub-optimal performance
Look, if you liked classic WoW, you'll like SoD. It's the same game, but each class has some twists that make them feel a little more fresh. There's 50% xp buff to level 25, so you can experiment with classes you haven't played as much without it being a chore. And because of the new raids/world buffs, parts of the world previously neglected are very much alive (Thunder Bluff, for example). And because of the lower commitment required to get into raiding or world PVP, it's very dad-friendly. Only gays are buying gold or doing weird job-tier grinding shit to "parse" well. Those idiots can parse my dick.
It's a good time, but if you didn't like classic in the first place, you probably shouldn't bother.
if i was going to play wouldnt it make more sense to wait until theyre done timegating shit?
whats the point of leveling up to an arbitrary cap just to have to sit there while paying a sub fee until they let you play more of the game?
Each raid's loot will be pointless other than the last raid(s) if you do that. So it depends on what you want out of the game. Do you WANT to run a 10-man raid version of BFD? Do you WANT to run a 10-man raid version of Gnomer? Then you need to be playing now, otherwise everyone will have moved on. The point of this (I guess) is that you get geared at each tier and enjoy being geared for awhile, then you get a new goal to reach and set of gear to obtain. The fun was the world PVP and raiding with bros you did along the way.
>Each raid's loot will be pointless other than the last raid(s) if you do that
is the not still true now?
once you do a raid and get the loot what do you do with your new gear except keep rerunning the same content you did to get where you are?
but autistic freaks paying 600g for lvl 40 weapons and demanding logs and enchants for gnomeregan detract from that "raiding with bros" experience pretty severely
Find a better guild.
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It's an MMO. Let's be real, all your time spent on it is pointless. But what I meant was, no one's going to be running the level 25 BFD raid or caring about the loot when there's level 40 Gnomer or one of the later raids. You could have fun running it I guess, but you get none of the benefit of being able to use your overpowered level 25 shit in a battleground or something. If you want there to be a purpose beyond a sense of pride and accomplishment, you need to do the raids at the right phases.
Jesus
How fricked is it going to be by lvl 60 lmao
3 months ago
Anonymous
they are going to have to make mats worthless at lvl 60 or you're going to be paying more for a flask than you were paying during naxx
>Each raid's loot will be pointless other than the last raid(s) if you do that
is the not still true now?
once you do a raid and get the loot what do you do with your new gear except keep rerunning the same content you did to get where you are?
It's an MMO. Let's be real, all your time spent on it is pointless. But what I meant was, no one's going to be running the level 25 BFD raid or caring about the loot when there's level 40 Gnomer or one of the later raids. You could have fun running it I guess, but you get none of the benefit of being able to use your overpowered level 25 shit in a battleground or something. If you want there to be a purpose beyond a sense of pride and accomplishment, you need to do the raids at the right phases.
>leveling my mage alt last night that i haven't touched since week 1 of sod so I can port/feed myself for free >enter stockades >cast blizzard on the first pack >brazilian warlock tank stops casting abilities mid pull and starts having a nuclear meltdown in the chat that I'm playing frost, refuses to continue because this is somehow equivalent to me killing his parents >leader kicks and replaces him within a span of 2 minutes
what the actual frick is wrong with people on this game lol
The rune quests are turning into convoluted cryptic shit with tons of steps that take way too long to do, I don't give a shit if 0.3% of the playerbase like torturing themselves, this shit isn't fun.
If your the type of person that likes to do these things blind, there's just hundreds of far better games. These runes are so fricking annoying to get that after they're found for the first time they should be added to a vendor.
yeah everyone b***hed about shit like meta/ratchet grind and they made several of them like that now
can't wait for lvl 60 ones to have gold and grind requirements like paladin epic mount
private server ran by a troony, embezzles donations to pay for his hrt
server has good ideas like new content in old zones and flex raids but the people in charge are pieces of shit
I was planning to do Phase 2 but once it went live and I saw virgin homosexuals checking logs for SFK runs I logged out and canceled my sub. I thought FFXIV trannies were bad but they're actually more tolerable than the fricking losers who tryhard braindead content.
yeah I’m kind of glad my subscription is set to renew in a few days because I am really sick of this shit, my friends are the same way about this game with their fricking parses and grinding and GDKPs and dailies and weeklies and it disgusts me, I think for me it’s over (again)
THe browns are currently mad they are not top DPS in the first reset.
They are also mad they are not crushing pvp in STV though the STV event was dumb as frick idea to begin with.
Sleeping bag was the best thing they created
Rune quests are far worse
KNowing Gnomer is going to be around for another 12 weeks while nearly not having to get any gear on characters since i did BFD makes the raid logging start already.
Overall the team is incompetent and continues to show they have no idea what made Vanilla good while there seems to be one person on the team that is having fun with random shit.
I'm having more fun leveling a character in Guild Wars 1.
They milked Classic too hard, I'm fricking sick of 1-60 vanilla. maybe I can play it again in 5 years
yes, but I didn't start until TBC then leveled characters in wrath then leveled characters in hardcore as well. then I leveled a character in SoD and realized I'm just completely tired of the game at this point in time.
Maybe I'll fart around when Cata drops since I never played Cata (or anything after) before.
firelands good
dailies especially molten front bad
vashjir bad
quests just okay
tol barad bad
twilight bastion bad
dragon soul just okay
class balance good
5/10 xpac overall with some very goods and some very bads and some just okays
I think the reason people shit on wow expansions so much is because they hyped up wrath of the lich king as gods gift to video games and when they played it and realized it was just a shitty, beta version of retail, they decided to shift the blame onto something else
First cata was the problem, now it's TBC. They REFUSE to acknowledge how horrible wotlk is. They do this by pretending all the horrible stuff started in TBC. Where are the catch-up mechanics that come out after every raid tier that invalidate the raid you just spent months doing? Where's the class homogenization in TBC that wrath has where every class can do what the others can? Where's the attunements in wotlk that vanilla and TBC had?
That's the only reason TBC is lumped in as a "bad" expansion". Cause if they didn't they'd have to admit they were wrong about something in their life. They'd have to say "god damn, I was a giant fricking moron for hyping up wrath as much as I did" and they're incapable of that. So just blame something else instead of being an adult and admitting you were stupid
mop and wotlk had the best pvp because just about every class was overpowered in pvp so fights never last long and skill plays a bigger role than in vanilla where its about having x goofy consumable or retail where its about playing y spec that is immortal for no reason or does 3x more dmg than anyone else
I didn't like WotLK either, moron. In fact I romanticised TBC the same as you until playing it again through classic. Everything bad about the modern poopsock formula had its seeds sown in TBC. That's on top of the world-design feeling completely disconnected and generic like it was thrown together in an afternoon, as well as stone dead thanks to flying mounts. It's simply not that good.
no one romanticised during classic. all the hype was on wotlk. all thoughout tbc and vanilla classic everyone non-stop talked about how excited they were for wrath. remember how crazy the servers were when wrath classic finally launched? the largest they'd ever been. Shifting it to TBC is just projection, which is exactly what I wrote about.
>First cata was the problem, now it's TBC. They REFUSE to acknowledge how horrible wotlk is. They do this by pretending all the horrible stuff started in TBC. Where are the catch-up mechanics that come out after every raid tier that invalidate the raid you just spent months doing? Where's the class homogenization in TBC that wrath has where every class can do what the others can? Where's the attunements in wotlk that vanilla and TBC had?
>all the hype was on wotlk. all thoughout tbc and vanilla classic everyone non-stop talked about how excited they were for wrath
Good for them. I didn't.
I didn't like WotLK either, moron. In fact I romanticised TBC the same as you until playing it again through classic. Everything bad about the modern poopsock formula had its seeds sown in TBC. That's on top of the world-design feeling completely disconnected and generic like it was thrown together in an afternoon, as well as stone dead thanks to flying mounts. It's simply not that good.
Every expansion feels "bad" because WoW is not designed to last forever. You play for 2-3 months, you go from zero to hero, you kill the Big Evil and you're done. You are the Champion of Azeroth, now go get a life.
The illusion shatters as soon as they add more content on top of the previous content. "Good job, you killed Kel'Thuzad! Now... go level-up again for ten levels by killing boars and shit."
And that's why an "OSRS-like" version of Classic WoW would never work. How do you even expand the game without breaking it. More raids on top of previous raids? More levels? So... TBC again, gotcha. And then more levels and more raids every two years, I assume.
Or maybe they add more low-level content. But why would I ever do a new level 30 dungeon if I'm level 60, what's the point. Mounts and cosmetics? Wait... but that's just like...
So, what they are doing now with Seasons is the right thing. I'm this same Anon
What I wanted was a new game, designed like an Everquest clone from the early 2000s but with modern QoL features and non-dogshit class designs. And they should've made it harder, Classic is way easier than originally intended because the game is completely solved at this point.
But what they did is: World of Warcraft 1.12 with a few new abilities. That's it. They didn't even bother to tweak talents or anything. Every zone is the same, every enemy is the same. Everything is the same.
by the way, I don't even like SoD because I feel it's too low effort. But the idea is right.
And I know they are never ever going to do it, but... who says World of Warcraft has to take place in Azeroth. Maybe in a few years they could launch WoW Classic: Draenor, set in Draenor before it was destroyed. With new factions, races, classes. Or maybe set in a pre-sundering Azeroth, or in Pandaria.
Again, and I believe I speak for a lot of people, I never wanted the SAME EXACT game as twenty years ago. I've already played that on private servers, I couldn't afford it as a kid. What I wanted was a modern game designed in the same spirit.
TBC is a good expansion. people don't want to admit they were wrong about wotlk being complete garbage so they just something else. they did it with cata at first and they shifted the blame onto TBC now
gruul, black temple, hyjal are all ugly and boring
you care about aesthetics over gameplay? also the only mediocre raids are BT and hyjal. the rest are pretty great
well i like nagrand and blade's edge but netherstorm and hellfire and shadowmoon are all ugly, and no I wouldn't say I care more about aesthetics than gameplay but its still important when you have to look at it every time you play
3 months ago
Anonymous
idk i liked bt. gruul is boring but short, hyjal is ok but should have the waves shortened if you wipe on bosses and have to restart
3 months ago
Anonymous
gruul was fun at the start when he was a little difficult but it's not a big deal since the raid is pretty short. Same deal with mag
What I'm saying is much simpler: no expansion will ever feel "good", what makes WoW Classic fun is progression. But any new content on top of the older content invalidates everything you've worked for up until that point.
"Oh, you leveled up to 60? We made leveling up easier, and now the cap is 70."
"Oh, you beat Big Bad and found the Ultrasword? This level 61 quest drops better gear."
And the feeling your accomplishments are constantly getting invalidated gets worse and worse the more content that add on top of the old stuff. All expansions "ruined" WoW, because the game starts slowly falling apart as soon as they add more content, regardless of its quality. That's the way Vanilla was designed as well: no one goes back to the Deadmines after level 20.
It's an extremely vertical MMO. Which is fine, nothing wrong with it... if it ends. WoW is supposed to end.
TBC Classic would've worked better if it was all set in the Outlands. From level 1 to 60, an entirely "new" Classic-like MMO. Wrath Classic would've worked better if it was all set in Northrend and so on.
>Classic is way easier than originally intended because the game is completely solved at this point.
Classic was beaten by keyboard turning ability clickers back in the day.
Exactly my point. So imagine how much easier it is now.
yeah but the thing about vanilla is that naxx gear is super fricking strong at 60 (so strong that it was being used an entire expansion later), if you make something stronger than that in vanilla the stats would get whacky and create a bigger gap between fresh 60s and geared ones. Like naxx bis is approaching avoidance and crit cap territory, more gear would worsen the problem. You need a level cap increase in these situations to help even out the playing field
>"Oh, you leveled up to 60? We made leveling up easier, and now the cap is 70." >"Oh, you beat Big Bad and found the Ultrasword? This level 61 quest drops better gear."
Thunderfury lasted you the entire expansion in TBC and Atiesh was good till T5/T6ish. TBC handled it better than any other expansion. Vanilla gear could last you a long time in TBC
Vanilla is a good game. This silly shit spices it up. And we play with the guild social group we've run with through Classic.
The Classic team is demonstrating that they suck metric ass at design, and/or are trying to push too much content to give it internal testing or thought beyond the initial conception, with just fricking constant shit that is broken in ways that are easily anticipated. They posted a light technical dissection of how they fricked up the Ashenvale event progress with their per-layer handling and it was an immediate "What the frick, why would you handle it that way?"
>doing stockades >other mage in group has full raid gear >tank points out that i'm doing more dmg than him in quest greens because gear literally doesn't matter at this lvl >something snaps in the mage mid-way through the dungeon and he pulls 3 rooms of enemies and causes us to wipe then leaves the dungeon without a word
why are people on here like this
we were doing 2 rooms at a time and I was doing more dmg than him tho
he literally just chain pulled the entire hallway into us out of nowhere then left
Classic's been the best thing to ever happen to wow, because it's brought out all the millennials and boomers who have to justify their love for the game being nothing more than the nostalgia it is.
if that were true why didn't they do the exact same for wotlk considering how hard they hyped that expansion up? everyones just completely ignoring wrath. Remember how hard the servers were slammed on launch for wrath?
The question was >wtf else would you do at end-game? [outside of dungeons/raids]
and the answer is all that shit that already exists outside of dungeons and raids, without the dungeons and raids. (You) denied. Stop posting, moron.
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Now That's What I Call Moving The Goal Posts!
>surely I'll win if I keep saying the moronic thing over and over
When someone asks a question implying they want discussion, you give them a reply. When they then reveal that what they actually want to do is act moronic and be a le ebin troll, you stop replying.
a good idea ruined by the wow community, i know devs could done more but everything bad is a problem created by players, we unironically deserve the absolute state of retail and gaming in general
Classic sisters.. You promised Metzen was here for us.. You were making leaks on Ganker for months about how Metzen was saving /us/.. I had such hopes for Blizzcon. Classic+ felt so close.. And look what we've been left with.. Retail abilities and lore changed to fit retails lore... I was promised new content, new raids.. New experiences.. New expansions.. High Elves and Ogres finally playable.. And what did I get? Three retail expansions and win trading in Stranglethorn
They'd be a kino as frick race, imagine an ogre rogue sneaking up on a gnome. of course, they probably wouldn't be allowed to be rogues but still. like, that idea was something me and my friends wanted to see in the game back when I was in high school. in the fricking 00s. ogres would be great. we wanted worgen back then too and welp we got them, ogres are one of the last what-ifs.
I love being Elemental >get jumped >pop SR >john madden and slurp out a double crit lava burst
All the homosexual rogues and hunters logging their horde alts to b***h and whine is making my erection so much harder
Ganker really should have been gatekept harder. The consequences have been disastrous. Larping fricks drew attention to the site which attracted tourists who understood only "this is a place to be a troll!" but thought trolling was just "act moronic and get replies." And now any time you try to have a conversation or explain something you get some chucklefrick who replies by obstinately ignoring the entire point of the post. It used to just be pic related which was at least entertaining.
To be fair, I genuinely don't think it's "acting" most of the time. I think >obstinately ignoring the entire point of the post
is genuinely how a lot of people approach discussions and when it's pointed out that they have to actually address your argument, which they can't, the back and forth has nowhere to go but said Anon "pretending" they are moronic.
Yes, someone for whom the stated "is genuinely how a lot of people approach discussions" applies as opposed to the people who show up to reply endlessly, with no intent on an actual discussion, because it's somehow entertaining for them.
Honestly, this thread isn't even that bad. There's some "IF YOU PLAY WOW IN 2024 YOU ARE STUPID, AHAH I'M FUNNY" here and there, but also a ton of people genuinely discussing about the game.
If you think this thread is bad... try discussing anything Sony-related in this tendie-infested website. I've been called Eric (?) and AC gay (??) a million times just because I said PS5 is a good console. And I don't even own one.
3 months ago
Anonymous
I think you're failing to identify what I'm talking about. If you aren't clearly thinking through the discussion, to the extent that you would by participating in it, the moronic bullshit "trolling" WILL look like an actual argument. THAT is the problem, not the easily dismissed nonsense on par with calling you a discord troony.
>usually only play private servers >try SoD when it first launched >servers unstable as frick >random quest mobs and quest objects just don't have dynamic respawn active so it's impossible to complete on a fresh realm >certain areas are just totally devoid of players because of the dozens of layers up at all times >bots infest every inch of the game >global chat spammed with fricking dungeon blue gear sellers
How the frick are private servers ran by some german neet in his basement feel more like the official version of the game?
>the gdkp mentality
which exists because of the high number of players >third worlders playing wow
which are attracted to official servers because of their higher number of players >and bots
which are attracted to official servers because of their higher number of players
I didn't think I needed to blatantly spell this out for you but the reason private servers don't have these problems is because they don't have a large enough population to sustain these parasites.
It's not as if the private server hosts really have any defense against these problems, they simply don't exist to the degree they will on official servers because of the difference in player count. You can still find third worlders, bots and gold sellers on private servers but they are far less common because they cannot sustain themselves as well on a lower pop.
>nost didnt have that shit?
Literally five seconds on google. You are genuinely moronic and should seek to better yourself if you don't think Nost had gold selling, bots and third worlders.
Hell, you seem so stupid and incapable of using the Internet or thinking critically, that I'd be shocked if you weren't a third worlder yourself.
3 months ago
Anonymous
i was talking about item/boost selling. now show me that, and the flyhacking bots and third worlders making money from boosts etc (not just playing)
>It's not as if the private server hosts really have any defense against these problems
Yes they do. They are actually fricking willing to implement kicks and rapid auto-bans. They have zero tolerance for the most blatant shit like flyhacking. This benefits from their free-to-play service excusing some false positives and them having some actual support staff to deal with such - as well as them being small enough that bot developers won't get into an arms race with them. And they often have humans actually ferreting out bots by responding to an automated suspect queue and hitting the character with a behavior test (e.g. teleport the fishing character 10 yards to the side and see how they react).
>as well as them being small enough that bot developers won't get into an arms race with them
That is literally, explicitly and unambiguously what I said in the post you are replying to. They are able to handle bots and gold sellers to the extent they can because of the relatively small population of the server.
When I say >It's not as if the private server hosts really have any defense against these problems
that means "the problem stemming from the higher population on official servers"
3 months ago
Anonymous
I gave the partial concession of "benefits from" but that does not invalidate everything that I said, you ass. Read it again.
3 months ago
Anonymous
You did not say a single god damn thing about ability to deal with the bots that exist. You said that the bots exist as much as they do entirely because population attracts them.
>They have zero tolerance for the most blatant shit like flyhacking
And they do it without the moronic "fix" Blizzard has used of making mobs ignore the z-axis to be able to hit flyhackers causing legitimate players walking on an upper floor to get hit by mobs below. On official servers, you can do the thing at the top of the tower, jump down past all the respawns, and get hit eight times by mobs still at the top of the fricking tower.
it feels meh. i had more fun wtih classic hc. every class is just broken beyond belief with the new skills. my lvl 18 mage can pull 6 enemies and just frost nova living bomb living flame and they are dead. endgame raid seems like shit and pvp is one shot ppl.
Why do classic players onions out so hard when retail talents are put into the game? And from what I've seen everyone pays real money for the raid gear anyway, so whats the point?
Because the same people that cry about how retail is shit now either has to hate the retail shit coming over to Classic or has to try and defend the retail shit coming over to Classic. Sort of a lose-lose.
Personally I don't like the rune system, those spells should've been baseline or added to the existing talent trees. They should've reworked all classes really, but they half-assed it by slapping a bunch of new abilities on top of their existing kits.
Also, the open-world is not balanced properly. The game is even easier because players are much stronger now.
It feels like an amateurish mod, not an actual new version of the game.
Classic classes are actually really well balanced apart from warriors doing too much DPS in raids. Hybrids who want to be a mage and a priest in 1 spec, a rogue in another spec, and a warrior in another are just greedy morons who are terrible at the game.
I lost interest in SoD as soon as I saw how creatively shallow the ideas were for phase 2. Whoever's idea it was on the team to bring retail spells/abilities to the games as runes, in stead of trying new/interesting things should be fired. They also allowed for the rot of gdkp/rmt to sit for too long which has now become ingrained into the community and how the perceive and approach endgame. Finally anyone using the phrase "pumpers" should be forced to take a captive bolt stunner to the brain. Frick you morons wanting classic, I asked for vanilla.
Phase 2 is so really bland compared to phase 1. And the community has somehow disintegrated to being worse than ever, with the exact same spellcleave only bullshit that killed TBC classic.
I touched a bit of it in p1 and I like the idea behind it, just that they didn't go far enough in making it different. I also liked the attempts at trying to make some things obscured like the sleeping bag but it is far too easy to just compare the differences in order to find the solution.
>same WoW classic >same audience of e-guide using furries and homosexuals >still has a cucked client with pruned emotes >same Blizzard
pretty obviously just cope/excuse#261518835 for addicts to keep giving money to Blizzard so that they never have to move on from their adolescence
I've played for a few hours and lfg is spammed with various services non stop. Since these people never shut up I can only assume people pay for them, which is depressing.
dogshit slop made for geriatrics that will die in a year from heart disease
Seeing every member of my guild spamming RFK & SM from 26 to 40 this weekend finally convinced me that classic WoW probably isn’t for people like me
Come on, we all know why
Why did you quote those posts?
they do that because you rolled on a megaserver where questing is impossible. and also because questing is so easye now with op classes. its more fun to just blast through dungeons with homies. also by now everyone has leveled like 20 times through the game it just gets old.
Classic still sucks even with modern abilities
how many "classic" versions are we at now?
p2 ruined day one giving free epics to popsockers
what free epics?
It's like all the worst parts of classic with a healthy dose of retail mixed in, I have no fricking idea who the target audience is. It's the zoomiest parsegay shit imaginable and EVERYTHING is datamined before it goes live.
>It's the zoomiest parsegay shit imaginable and EVERYTHING is datamined before it goes live.
What are you talking about you moron
It takes several days after release for people to even find all the new runes
fatfrick basedface spreading lies to obfuscate the sad truth lol
Nah, last of the new runes were found yesterday.
Which means they weren't datamined before release, moron
All P2 runes were found in a day, the Sheath rune was found just bugged, ontop of the Rune itself being bugged until hotfixed.
I don't play competitive games because they frighten me. What I say Black person and get banned? I don't want my money stolen.
Decent bait. Almost took it.
Why can't they make classic plus? SoD is pure slop, even turtle wow is better
Because they know they’ll frick it up. It’s much easier to just run through the old expansions again
It is classic plus
>turtle wow is better
t.programming socks
running through dungeon raids with wotlk abilities is not classic plus
It's not classic plus. It's retail minus. Levelling in azeroth in wotlk is unironically better than this shit.
>WOOOOOOW STEADY SHOT, CANT WAIT TO DISCOVER IT FOR THE 16TH YEAR IN A ROW
A style of custom server that caught on in the private server communities which tends to expand the Vanilla 1.12.1 client with new content ranging from zones, dungeons raids and the like, new mechanics like professions and races/classes, and shit, while also not deviating or intruding from the classic, vanilla feel
Stuff like this is classic+
why doesnt blizzard just rent out wow servers to people and let them edit WoW and run their own server using blizzard client? Offer tools to devs, make players pay a sub fee still, people running the server could even make money somehow.
Turtle WoW probably has more people working on it than SoD
third worlders don't really count as people even compared to diversity hires
>Classic plus
You mean retail?
This is like retail
What would classic+ be if not just retail-?
The game people are imagining when they say Classic+ would require effort and passion from the developers that Blizzard isn't willing to facilitate. Blizzard instead desperately wants you to believe that this gimmicky bullshit is Classic+.
Basically this, instead of getting Classic+ we got the Ascension rune system with retail abilities and some 5 man dungeons turned in to heroics then turned for 10 people. It's incredibly lazy. Infact it's embarrassing because trannies in their programmer socks can do a better job than paid professionals working for a fortune 500 company.
>classic plus
what the frick even is classic+?
It's the vanilla game with some of the many things that were cut for time fully realised. You, I and blizz all know that's what it means.
So just vanilla with more raids and zones?
Some wow players have the delusion classic+ will be like OSRS.
Botted to death by 3rd world rmters?
Classic already is
>vanilla game with some of the many things that were cut for time fully realised.
Nothing was "cut for time" in classic wow. This is just abilities they added years later after the fact. That, and just taking existing dungeons and giving a random boss 10x more hp and calling it a 'raid' now. It's low effort at best. But you can't expect much since it's basically done by 3 people.
>Nothing was "cut for time" in classic wow
Does he know?
Everything cut from classic, ultimately just became content for retail.
>I want vanilla but with cut content like Outland and Emerald Dream
So you just want the expansions TBC and Dragonflight.
I'm aware that's what they say, but it's not true at all. The design philosophy of TBC and beyond was entirely different and substantially worse, and I'm not even entertaining your Dragonflight comment.
This anon knows. The people that made vanilla were a different set of people that made TBC/WOTLK. Near the end of vanilla's development, Kaplan and other Everquest-hires got onboarded to Blizzard. They weren't able to influence the design of vanilla too much, but with the layoffs that happened shortly after vanilla's release, they were able to get into positions that held some decision making power and skewed the design of the expansion heavily into what we see now
1. End game content is the only relevant content (because they were boss-farmers in EQ, they always whined for the next boss/raid to drop)
2. Vertical progression is the only progression
3. Play the expansion, not the game
Unfortunately this poisoned WoW's expansion design for decades. It's only NOW they realized that the majority of their playerbase is casual (because WoW is supposed to be a casual MMORPG experience) and that designing the game around poopsocking mythic raiders is not healthy for the game.
The game will be better off once Blizzard scraps raiding entirely and innovates some new large-scale PvE activity that can be done by tryhards and casuals; because right now no one cares about raiding. No one cares about e-sports mythics. That scene has and will always been astroturfed horseshit.
>1. End game content is the only relevant content (because they were boss-farmers in EQ, they always whined for the next boss/raid to drop)
Yes happened in vanilla
>2. Vertical progression is the only progression
Yes happened in vanilla
>3. Play the expansion, not the game
There's nothing that indicates this wouldn't be the case in vanilla
>1. End game content is the only relevant content
you say that like you didn't raid log vanilla
>2. Vertical progression is the only progression
You know vanilla wow is 99% vertical progression right???
>3. Play the expansion, not the game
did you go back to deadmines when you clearing naxxramas?
Most people have no idea what they're talking about or read about vanilla without understanding none of what they read applies to classic. No one was farming their dungeon sets because there was no need since you could clear raids in leveling greens.
this, classic has nothing to do with vanilla and having experience in one means almost nothing in regards to the other
>you say that like you didn't raid log vanilla
neither were most people, homosexual.
so TBC
finishing the old shit that never was. the original emerald dream, stockades, the hyjal raid, azshara etc. they had a lot of plans but just never got around to them and then cata basically did a table-flip on the prospect of getting around back to that stuff because lol everything is new now.
>troonyWoW
Maybe I'd consider it if it wasn't moderated in a manner that's worse than not having moderators at all.
someone post the "high elfs" intro scene from turtle wow
Post the high elves intro from retail
Oh wait....
Never wanted High Elves. I'm a draenei enjoyer. I wouldn't mind slamming a huge horsewiener into them but that's about as far as it goes.
That's because you're a wiener eating poof
And you're a third worlder playing on a shitty private server. Everyone has their flaws, sweetums.
Whiter than you Muhammad
I watched it, it was eurojank cringekino
lacks fur
>sod
>it actually feels like wrath but with healer mages and other meme specs, but with 20 year old dungeons
>wrath is pretty dead
Huh
I have a WoW shitposting folder but I just haven't posted about it in months. It's pointless and feels empty. Everything about the game and its players mocks itself more than any shitty mock up or MS Paint image macro I could paste.
Haven't you got a PvP event to balance fatgrend?
You're ACTUALLY MAD ABOUT THIS LOL HOLY SHIT YO UACTUALLY DO PLAY TURTLE WOW DON'T YOU HAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
the voice is, not good. i dont remember the Goblins being this bad.
>Turdle Troony WoW
Nope, i will not pay for shenna's boobjob and her escapades into not going into porn
>elfs
dropped
that was horrible
>t. Warcraft fan since '98
>turtle wow
I'm not clicking on that video. I already KNOW it's some fat troony doing the starterzone voice.
that can't be real imma rope myself
It comes from a good place atleast.
it feels like playing a wrath funserver
played to like lvl 22 and quit, was comfy but not worth giving blizz money
>completely outclassed by other healers
>warlocks are replacing us
>won't even mention this this god forsaken spec
>blizzard still push meme specs like shockadin
>blizzard still refuses to fix the class core issues
>runes are an absolute joke
>other classes get talent changes despite blizzard bullshitting about muh era core
>itemization still suck
Being a paladin is pure pain
At least you're not a warrior
don't say this, i love pally
are we being fully cucked this phase? if so i guess i'll swap to druid or war then
Second worst dps as ret currently
Warlocks are phasing us out at trash tanking which was our specialty
Heal is ok but priests are just monsters
Guarded by light and sheath of light are good but that's about it.
Art of war forces you to take exo so no snare and no interrupt, you'll also be oom in 2 fights
Go play druid and spam starsurge
literally just bubble hearth homosexual
You deserve it for picking the absolute gayest fantasy class of all time. Literally the reddit class.
Shams and druids are THE reddit class, literally never getting over the 5 same one shot videos from 2005 and played exclusively by dads. The fact they got what they wanted is absolute proof blizz is balancing about reddit
Black folk
Warrior is and will always be the reddit class.
Paladin mains exist only to ERP with trannies who play female night elves.
Thats the funny part about the game if you think about it.
>alliance have goldshire
>goldshire is the place all the alliance hang out to ERP
>these people ERPing are having more fun ERPing then anybody else whos actually playing the game in classic or retail
Just the thought of imagining spergs REEEEING there way through M+ while goldshire is full of gay dick suckers having the time of there life is hilarious to me
those types of autistic spergs go to goldshire as well to e-date and argue with eachother, its the most bizarre thing ever that one of the only 2 populated hang-out spots on retail is 20 feet from a bunch of 40 year old men having text sex
Its not bizarre, you need to understand that those people live in world of warcraft, its there life, they take pride in beating content designed to be beaten. Its why whenever you upset them they ask for your logs.
>in real life you work all day then go pay for sex or go home and frick your wife
>in wow you work all day (raid M+ arena) then go to goldshire and pay for sex or frick your wife
Its the same shit at the end of the day, ones just done in the vidya sphere.
Speaking of, logs has been mentioned six time in this thread already.
always the funniest dishonest wowbuck fallacy
and the worst thing is that they listen to those fricking cesspools, reddits communities suck, they suck really hard.
When you balance and make changes to your games based on the hivemind will, you know shit's fricked, and they took WoW, Diablo, and hots down doing that
>still refuse to fix botting
until the day they fix that (they never will) i refuse to touch the game.
Pure kino. The best wow has been in over a decade.
Zoomers are literally seething so that's good enough for me
Meh.
I can tank on shaman, an option never available until now. Is fun
Acquiring the runes is the worst part.
>DUDE... WHATIF....what IF WE GOT THE SAME GAME... and like... hahaha.... what if we got the same game and put a new subtitle on it!!!!
i'm having fun. don't give a shit about the opinions of nogames virgins
The verdict is guilty.
It's more vanilla, so if you like vanilla it's fun. PvPtards keep seething every time they get killed which is fun to watch as well.
It's even funnier right now with some classes being heinously broken, like balance druids critting you for half your health with a 36yd instant cast 6s cooldown spell
People on the server I play on have over 1000 gold and everyone is obsessed with bis and parsing
Why do they have to be like this?
It’s an incurable sickness that has warped the brains of people that never stop playing between patches.
I can't really blame them too much because the standards of people is just stupidly warped especially in classic. It's often a fear of missing out and not wanting to waste time when you consider that SoD is a seasonal thing and will go away at some point but ultimately it goes down to:
>have to get to max so I get to grinding gold sooner for pre-bis
>have to get pre-bis so I can get into groups that are asking for those
>have to get gold so I can afford consumables and gear
>have to quickly clear stuff and as efficiently as possible so I can have my bis
>have to get my bis so I can then parse high
>have to parse high so I can get into better groups and avoid trash pugs
>after all that's done, have to continue to grind gold so I can be in top shape for next phase/patch/whatever
It's a vicious loop that is ultimately a making of how the playerbase is these days.
To be fair, the average player is also just so pants shittingly moronic and bad that I at least understand not wanting to play with 90% of the playerbase and needing a way to filter them.
I avoided that by simply playing with a guild and not needing to interact with anyone else.
>playing an updated version of vanilla with new shit added to the open world just so you can spend 4 days straight in stockade and the same run of SM over and over so you can dunk on people for getting to level 40 first
such a sad, strange player base
>love leveling
>love questing
>love profs
>love occasional wpvp
>hate dungeons
>hate raids
>hate bgs
I just don't get why those last three items are the focal point of WoW and MMOs in general. The world, adventuring and massively multiplayer aspect is the interesting part to me. Same reason why OSRS lost me ever since they started focusing on raids.
wtf else would you do at end-game?
Endgame-tuned world content, obviously, you fricking moron. Tough world mobs like Jinthalor, Tyr's Hand, Stromgarde, the Chimaerok isle, Silithids, etc. Tough/complex/interesting quest chains like Dungeon Set 1/2, the Scepter of the Shifting Sands, the TBC attunements, etc. You steadily gain power through quest rewards, faction rep, earned crafting recipes. You invest time into preparation for the power bump. You group up with other players on-the-fly to gain enough to be able to overcome.
>Dungeon Set 1/2, the Scepter of the Shifting Sands, the TBC attunements, etc.
you know all of those involved dungeons and raids right?
You know that they had massive world quest components, right? You know what the word "like" means, right? Shut up, moron.
> quest rewards, faction rep, earned crafting recipes
these were also things that happened in dungeons, raids and BGs. turns out people take the name "world" in world of warcraft far too seriously. It's almost like people don't play this game for the sense of world but because it gives a great sense of progression.
Now That's What I Call Moving The Goal Posts!
I don't think you know what that means anon. You also didn't really address my point, what's it called when you do that?
The 2k layoffs were deserved
>Tons of new content in the 1-25 range
>Almost nothing 26-40
It's over.
I agree, at this point SOD is just classic with patches
is this really true?
not many runes and class specific quests?
thats kinda shit if true I was waiting for when I could play from 1-60
Each class has 6 new runes from 25-40 and all of them are a lot more involved than the original 1-25 set
Like a lot of runes in 1-25 were just "kill this mob", "talk to this npc", "do this short little thing", but the new 25-40 runes are much longer and more convoluted. A single rune might involve traveling between 4 different zones, talking to multiple discrete NPCs, etc.
I like the convoluted shit so that sounds okay. 25-40 is a larger chunk than 1-25 so I guess thats why it feels sparse?
There are so many people on that questing is not feasible so you are forced to spam dungeons to level. People are also minmax zoomers so they have to get to max asap then b***h about lack of content
>forced to spam dungeons to level
didnt they ban dungeon spamming? did that change?
No? I know they nerfed 60 mages boosting in Era classic a shit ton but they haven't nerfed just running the same dungeons and reseting. You can only enter 5 instances an hour and 30 max a day but like you aren't hitting those outside of spamming SM GY over and over
I thought that was a mechanic they implemented in phase 1 and that was why everyone was just questing. might have just misinterpreted it
this
once again, dynamic respawn is broken and quest areas are flooded with players running around waiting for 1-2 min respawn mobs
I think it's just STV but a few other places had the same problem
Dungeon grinded from 25-30, tried to quest a bit, found it impossible and went back to dungeon grinding
>tons of new content
like what?
Like a quest to heal 10 different beasts or to solo a boss in Shadowfang Keep
grim
It's a decent idea but flawed by Blizzard's tendency to put 5% effort into anything Classic-related.
We could have gotten TurtleWoW but on a larger scale, but instead we got vanilla with retail talents/abilities copypasted into it.
Well that's what was always going to happen when retail's microtransactions make more money than Classic's subs.
The dev focus was never going to be creating fully new content and expansions for Vanilla as people hoped
Easily best MMO right now unless you play Runescape.
really despressing that the best MMO on the market right now is a re-re-re release of a 20 year old game with a bunch of lazy changes made to it
I wish I could like runescape but between shitty clicking controls and no Multi-player content until 200+ hours it's just too much
The secret to runescape is that it's a single player cookie clicker game with multiplayer elements as flavor.
Why would I play the inferior game? SoD is currently fricking wiping the floor with retail.
I don't know man, what made these games good was mostly lost around 20 years ago so it makes sense.
>best mmo is retail with old graphics and one mechanic bosses
???? just play retail bro
>one mechanic bosses
bad bait
0-25 was fun. Absolutely no interest in getting to level 40 though.
>what's the Gankererdict?
Same as any other recent blizz product
>WasteOfMoney.MichaelRosen
Did anyone actually think the current wow community wouldn't enforce a meta in a server designed to allow you to do whatever you want with your classes?
>Blizzard literally tricked a bunch of dumb Black folk to pay them 15$ a month to level to 25 and re-run Black Fathom Depths off cool down for a quarter of a year
>Blizzard 10 more levels and now they get to re-run Gnomeregan off cool down for over half a year and these dumb Black folk are on cloud nine.
Classic but designed by Reddit aka shit
My favorite part of this whole thing was everyone wanted classic +, a continuation of classic and then we got this and this is literally how all the streamers reacted and how all the sheep followed suit.
>.....this.....isn......but......well.......ITS CLASSIC PLUS!
>a continuation of classic
So tbc
Blizzard has even less ideas for runes than morons who run ascension wow from which they copied it wholesale in the first place and everyone ate it up/ Really fricking grim.
No one with a brain wanted "classic+" because they knew who would be developing it
No one with a brain wanted classic+ because no one with a brain is playing classic to begin with, they're mythic raiding or keystone pushing on retail
>No one with a brain wanted classic+ because no one with a brain is playing classic to begin with, they're mythic raiding or keystone pushing on retail
Thos implies modern blizzard customers have functioning brains which is blatantly false
This is you coping because you're too shit for mythic
I love the eternal cope of the btfo retaillet
>n-no y-youre btfo
weak and pathetic cope
This. Say whatever you want about retail, but the high level play requires a university education and literally most players aren't capable of hacking it. So they flee to SoD and basically pretend raid like little kids, unironically parsing shit like Blackfathom Deeps and Gnomeregan.
Reads exactly like the official twitter account
>People with brains are mythic raiding or keystone pushing on retail
>with brains
>mythic raiding
>keystone pushing
>brains
anon, I
Post logs
>Post logs
I don't have any logs, I HAVE a brain, I don't play wow.
this is not the "i win" phrase you think it is
It really is, that homie checkmated you and you're seething about it.
post a pic of yourself standing knee deep in shit in india
can't? won't? I guess that's checkmate according to you
I accept your respective concessions.
please go play league of legends and stay on reddit next time
>retail raiding is a failed e-sport the majority of the community don't wanna play.
During the last race for world first so little people showed up to watch it Method used EMBEDs on Wago.io for fake views, the biggest addon website.
>M+ is a failed e-sport the majority of the community doesn't wanna play.
This is why at the end of every patch cycle for over a month long every weekly is Timewalking and NOT mythic, this was obviously done because of how poor mythic numbers are and how good Timewalkings numbers are, the Timewalking quests during this time also reward free heroic raid gear.
>Arena is a failed e-sport the majority of the population don't wanna play
Really nothing to say here, its literally just dead. Gladiators que for an hour then get qued into a first time player que.
>that webm
FUN FACT: Blizz recently switched Warcraft Rumbles app icon to pic related because that ugly Gnome b***h being the mascot was the dumbest idea imaginable.
They also apparently nerfed her ingame unit into unplayability in the same patch.
thatsstill pretty fricking ugly. everything looks like fortnite now
What I wanted was a new game, designed like an Everquest clone from the early 2000s but with modern QoL features and non-dogshit class designs. And they should've made it harder, Classic is way easier than originally intended because the game is completely solved at this point.
But what they did is: World of Warcraft 1.12 with a few new abilities. That's it. They didn't even bother to tweak talents or anything. Every zone is the same, every enemy is the same. Everything is the same.
>like an Everquest clone from the early 2000s
MIGHT of happened with Pantheon if Brad didn't die but with his death it ain't happenin, next TLP should be announced soon though!
This. We wanted the FEEL of classic, not the totally solved, streamlined feel of retail.
>HURF DURF ITS NOT POSSIBLE
Suck my fricking dick, if Russians and troons can make it work on TurtleWoW then don't fricking tell me that a small indie company of a few billion dollars cannot.
I tried it out, it was strange, all veins and herbs up, all rares up, never having to wait for quest mobs, but I ended up with a crippling sense of weirdness, alone in a dead world, its like a rat breaking into a lab to get into a skinner box, just gets under your skin with its relentless strangeness. Dead MMOs on Steam cause the same feeling, but WoW is even weirder because you KNOW these places, you have memories of them. Seeing an empty and barren Northshire, Goldshire or SW main square is just strange.
>retail
>totally solved
So go solve it. Right, you can't because you aren't skilled enough. You morons literally don't know what you want. You have no fricking clue.
>erm okay you want to criticise the game but I notice you have yet to complete every raid on uber-mythic-special-plus-plus-ultra+ mode hmm curious
I think I loathe this genre of blizzdrone the most
anon its not fair to say a pile of shit tastes like shit if you haven't even tried it yet
No its more like if you haven't eaten an entire 50 gallon drum of shit you aren't allowed to say that shit tastes bad
What the frick you shills are not getting that we don't want solved, over-convenient shit made for ADHD zoomies, filled with stronk womyn and persyns of color and gay couples?
>Suck my fricking dick, if Russians and troons can make it work on TurtleWoW
STOP BEING A FRICKING SHILL FOR TURTLE WOW
NO ONE CARES ABOU TURTLE WOW
NO ONE WILL EVER GIVE A SHIT ABOUT TURTLE WOW
FRICKING troony TURTLE WOW FRICKING have a nice day
I'M SICK AND FRICKING TIRED OF SEEING YOUR BLATANT SHILL POSTS ABOUT YOUR SERVER NO ONE GIVES A FRICK ABOUT
GET THE FRICK OUT ALREADY
DIE
cant imagine being this mad about some private server
what a fricking homo
Certainly not more of a homosexual than the subhumans who run that server.
who fricking cares. jesus christ youre pathetic.
>Classic is way easier than originally intended because the game is completely solved at this point.
Classic was beaten by keyboard turning ability clickers back in the day.
Its fun, but I dont really like the
>rushing = everything is cleared in 1 day
>non-permanent nature of SoD
>balance is terrible = boomkins and palas can 1-2 shoot you
Only a rogue main would complain about paladins and druids of all things in pvp
Bro paladins can only beat rogues and war if they don't get the drop on someone, a full crit combo with Bonebiter hits as hard as a fricking starsurge
>Won't play turtle for free
>Will shovel monthly payments to blizz for SoD
One's a flawed experience infested with bots for free, the other's a flawed experience infested with bots that costs money every month. This isnt a hard decission for anyone with a functioning brain
you're right. the smart move is to to not be playing this slop in 2024
Funsever slop for trannies.
YWNBAW
>STV event gets announced
>people warn blizz that degenerates will just graveyard camp
>game goes live
>degenerates graveyard camp and get all the epics/gear right away
>blizz knee-jerk hotfixes a moronic 1min timer that just slows everything the frick down to a painful pace
don't you guys just love playing a live beta test for $15/month
>pvp event
literally could not care less
same, but it's just funny/frustrating that the game is so broken because of "uhhh no ptr so you can LE DISCOVER" crap blizzard is doing
This, the """people""" defending Blizzard once again are responsible for this shit at this point
>Get attacked by a mage during the pvp event
>Manage to defeat him in honorable 1v1 combat at the expensive of most of my mana and HP
>Don't gain any bloods because he had the debuff
>Don't get any honor either since honor gain is disabled for some reason what the frick
>Feel angry despite 'winning'
>This happens all the time since most players don't survive until the debuff expires
Somehow its even worse than the first Ashenvale event
Cattle like you deserve to be milked
The debuff thing is so stupid
>Debuffed guy attacks you
>You'll gain nothing for killing him
>Need to spend resources for the fight like usual
>He'll get normal rewards for killing you
If they want to prevent spawn camping, they need to give respawning players immunity and invisibility for like 20 secs so they can regroup. Right now I'm fighting through hordes of debuffed morons for no gain
>play on pvp server
>graveyard farm on day 1 for the rewards
>turn the event off and keep pvping in stv
>people get nothing for killing me
another quality blizzard product
Ffs how fcking hard is it to get enchantmens and proper gear for gnomeregan, every raid has at least 1-3 people that need to be kicked and replaced for sub-optimal performance
The only real way to enjoy WoW is to play a locally hosted private server of your own with no one to bother you.
>playing an MMORPG single player
Genuine mental illness.
Look, if you liked classic WoW, you'll like SoD. It's the same game, but each class has some twists that make them feel a little more fresh. There's 50% xp buff to level 25, so you can experiment with classes you haven't played as much without it being a chore. And because of the new raids/world buffs, parts of the world previously neglected are very much alive (Thunder Bluff, for example). And because of the lower commitment required to get into raiding or world PVP, it's very dad-friendly. Only gays are buying gold or doing weird job-tier grinding shit to "parse" well. Those idiots can parse my dick.
It's a good time, but if you didn't like classic in the first place, you probably shouldn't bother.
if i was going to play wouldnt it make more sense to wait until theyre done timegating shit?
whats the point of leveling up to an arbitrary cap just to have to sit there while paying a sub fee until they let you play more of the game?
Each raid's loot will be pointless other than the last raid(s) if you do that. So it depends on what you want out of the game. Do you WANT to run a 10-man raid version of BFD? Do you WANT to run a 10-man raid version of Gnomer? Then you need to be playing now, otherwise everyone will have moved on. The point of this (I guess) is that you get geared at each tier and enjoy being geared for awhile, then you get a new goal to reach and set of gear to obtain. The fun was the world PVP and raiding with bros you did along the way.
>Each raid's loot will be pointless other than the last raid(s) if you do that
is the not still true now?
once you do a raid and get the loot what do you do with your new gear except keep rerunning the same content you did to get where you are?
but autistic freaks paying 600g for lvl 40 weapons and demanding logs and enchants for gnomeregan detract from that "raiding with bros" experience pretty severely
>600g for lvl 40 weapons
Surely this is an exaggeration right?
el oh el all of the GDKP gold is getting injected directly into the economy now that there's no reason to hoard anymore.
The GDKP ban was actually effective?
Yeah, RIP. Some people got warning emails before P2 but bots are still running around with 2007 tier exploits.
Glad I'm on a dead server that never ran GDKP.
no, people are paying up to 1000g for gut ripper
Jesus
How fricked is it going to be by lvl 60 lmao
they are going to have to make mats worthless at lvl 60 or you're going to be paying more for a flask than you were paying during naxx
Find a better guild.
It's an MMO. Let's be real, all your time spent on it is pointless. But what I meant was, no one's going to be running the level 25 BFD raid or caring about the loot when there's level 40 Gnomer or one of the later raids. You could have fun running it I guess, but you get none of the benefit of being able to use your overpowered level 25 shit in a battleground or something. If you want there to be a purpose beyond a sense of pride and accomplishment, you need to do the raids at the right phases.
>Do you WANT to run a 10-man raid version of Gnomer?
I have been since 2004. That shit deserved to be an endgame dungeon and always had the feel of one.
>leveling my mage alt last night that i haven't touched since week 1 of sod so I can port/feed myself for free
>enter stockades
>cast blizzard on the first pack
>brazilian warlock tank stops casting abilities mid pull and starts having a nuclear meltdown in the chat that I'm playing frost, refuses to continue because this is somehow equivalent to me killing his parents
>leader kicks and replaces him within a span of 2 minutes
what the actual frick is wrong with people on this game lol
No idea why the frick they have a rider at deadwind pass
I don't care anymore
Do you guys think Runescape or World of Warcraft is a more social game?
The rune quests are turning into convoluted cryptic shit with tons of steps that take way too long to do, I don't give a shit if 0.3% of the playerbase like torturing themselves, this shit isn't fun.
If your the type of person that likes to do these things blind, there's just hundreds of far better games. These runes are so fricking annoying to get that after they're found for the first time they should be added to a vendor.
yeah everyone b***hed about shit like meta/ratchet grind and they made several of them like that now
can't wait for lvl 60 ones to have gold and grind requirements like paladin epic mount
turtle wow?
what?
private server ran by a troony, embezzles donations to pay for his hrt
server has good ideas like new content in old zones and flex raids but the people in charge are pieces of shit
all i know is i got humar and i'm happy
I was planning to do Phase 2 but once it went live and I saw virgin homosexuals checking logs for SFK runs I logged out and canceled my sub. I thought FFXIV trannies were bad but they're actually more tolerable than the fricking losers who tryhard braindead content.
yeah I’m kind of glad my subscription is set to renew in a few days because I am really sick of this shit, my friends are the same way about this game with their fricking parses and grinding and GDKPs and dailies and weeklies and it disgusts me, I think for me it’s over (again)
THe browns are currently mad they are not top DPS in the first reset.
They are also mad they are not crushing pvp in STV though the STV event was dumb as frick idea to begin with.
Sleeping bag was the best thing they created
Rune quests are far worse
KNowing Gnomer is going to be around for another 12 weeks while nearly not having to get any gear on characters since i did BFD makes the raid logging start already.
Overall the team is incompetent and continues to show they have no idea what made Vanilla good while there seems to be one person on the team that is having fun with random shit.
there are literally 100s of mage bots running in and out of the stockades all day long on my server
I'm having more fun leveling a character in Guild Wars 1.
They milked Classic too hard, I'm fricking sick of 1-60 vanilla. maybe I can play it again in 5 years
wasn't OG classic 5 years ago anon?
yes, but I didn't start until TBC then leveled characters in wrath then leveled characters in hardcore as well. then I leveled a character in SoD and realized I'm just completely tired of the game at this point in time.
Maybe I'll fart around when Cata drops since I never played Cata (or anything after) before.
meant for
Based gw1 enjoyer. I got disgusted by the community of modern wow and went back to leveling my ele.
All the real chads are waiting for Cataclysm. Enjoy your baby mode, SoDgays.
although the deathwing raid was good and the expansion had some QoL improvements, cataclysm is literally when the game started going to shit
no, wrath of the lich king is when the game went to shit. gameplay wise wrath and cata are extremely similar
firelands good
dailies especially molten front bad
vashjir bad
quests just okay
tol barad bad
twilight bastion bad
dragon soul just okay
class balance good
5/10 xpac overall with some very goods and some very bads and some just okays
>vashjir bad
filtered
>he said to the guy disgusted by him eating garbage out of a sewer
I think the reason people shit on wow expansions so much is because they hyped up wrath of the lich king as gods gift to video games and when they played it and realized it was just a shitty, beta version of retail, they decided to shift the blame onto something else
First cata was the problem, now it's TBC. They REFUSE to acknowledge how horrible wotlk is. They do this by pretending all the horrible stuff started in TBC. Where are the catch-up mechanics that come out after every raid tier that invalidate the raid you just spent months doing? Where's the class homogenization in TBC that wrath has where every class can do what the others can? Where's the attunements in wotlk that vanilla and TBC had?
That's the only reason TBC is lumped in as a "bad" expansion". Cause if they didn't they'd have to admit they were wrong about something in their life. They'd have to say "god damn, I was a giant fricking moron for hyping up wrath as much as I did" and they're incapable of that. So just blame something else instead of being an adult and admitting you were stupid
tbf a lot of people like the pvp in wotlk which blizzard butchered
mop and wotlk had the best pvp because just about every class was overpowered in pvp so fights never last long and skill plays a bigger role than in vanilla where its about having x goofy consumable or retail where its about playing y spec that is immortal for no reason or does 3x more dmg than anyone else
I didn't like WotLK either, moron. In fact I romanticised TBC the same as you until playing it again through classic. Everything bad about the modern poopsock formula had its seeds sown in TBC. That's on top of the world-design feeling completely disconnected and generic like it was thrown together in an afternoon, as well as stone dead thanks to flying mounts. It's simply not that good.
no one romanticised during classic. all the hype was on wotlk. all thoughout tbc and vanilla classic everyone non-stop talked about how excited they were for wrath. remember how crazy the servers were when wrath classic finally launched? the largest they'd ever been. Shifting it to TBC is just projection, which is exactly what I wrote about.
>First cata was the problem, now it's TBC. They REFUSE to acknowledge how horrible wotlk is. They do this by pretending all the horrible stuff started in TBC. Where are the catch-up mechanics that come out after every raid tier that invalidate the raid you just spent months doing? Where's the class homogenization in TBC that wrath has where every class can do what the others can? Where's the attunements in wotlk that vanilla and TBC had?
>all the hype was on wotlk. all thoughout tbc and vanilla classic everyone non-stop talked about how excited they were for wrath
Good for them. I didn't.
I never saw one single person say they were excited for TBC in the lead up to wrath. Saying otherwise is just lying and delusion
Every expansion feels "bad" because WoW is not designed to last forever. You play for 2-3 months, you go from zero to hero, you kill the Big Evil and you're done. You are the Champion of Azeroth, now go get a life.
The illusion shatters as soon as they add more content on top of the previous content. "Good job, you killed Kel'Thuzad! Now... go level-up again for ten levels by killing boars and shit."
And that's why an "OSRS-like" version of Classic WoW would never work. How do you even expand the game without breaking it. More raids on top of previous raids? More levels? So... TBC again, gotcha. And then more levels and more raids every two years, I assume.
Or maybe they add more low-level content. But why would I ever do a new level 30 dungeon if I'm level 60, what's the point. Mounts and cosmetics? Wait... but that's just like...
So, what they are doing now with Seasons is the right thing. I'm this same Anon
by the way, I don't even like SoD because I feel it's too low effort. But the idea is right.
And I know they are never ever going to do it, but... who says World of Warcraft has to take place in Azeroth. Maybe in a few years they could launch WoW Classic: Draenor, set in Draenor before it was destroyed. With new factions, races, classes. Or maybe set in a pre-sundering Azeroth, or in Pandaria.
Again, and I believe I speak for a lot of people, I never wanted the SAME EXACT game as twenty years ago. I've already played that on private servers, I couldn't afford it as a kid. What I wanted was a modern game designed in the same spirit.
TBC is a good expansion. people don't want to admit they were wrong about wotlk being complete garbage so they just something else. they did it with cata at first and they shifted the blame onto TBC now
i mean it does quite a few things well but it falls short on some important ones like aesthetics and mostly shitty raids
you care about aesthetics over gameplay? also the only mediocre raids are BT and hyjal. the rest are pretty great
whats wrong with the raids
gruul, black temple, hyjal are all ugly and boring
well i like nagrand and blade's edge but netherstorm and hellfire and shadowmoon are all ugly, and no I wouldn't say I care more about aesthetics than gameplay but its still important when you have to look at it every time you play
idk i liked bt. gruul is boring but short, hyjal is ok but should have the waves shortened if you wipe on bosses and have to restart
gruul was fun at the start when he was a little difficult but it's not a big deal since the raid is pretty short. Same deal with mag
What I'm saying is much simpler: no expansion will ever feel "good", what makes WoW Classic fun is progression. But any new content on top of the older content invalidates everything you've worked for up until that point.
"Oh, you leveled up to 60? We made leveling up easier, and now the cap is 70."
"Oh, you beat Big Bad and found the Ultrasword? This level 61 quest drops better gear."
And the feeling your accomplishments are constantly getting invalidated gets worse and worse the more content that add on top of the old stuff. All expansions "ruined" WoW, because the game starts slowly falling apart as soon as they add more content, regardless of its quality. That's the way Vanilla was designed as well: no one goes back to the Deadmines after level 20.
It's an extremely vertical MMO. Which is fine, nothing wrong with it... if it ends. WoW is supposed to end.
TBC Classic would've worked better if it was all set in the Outlands. From level 1 to 60, an entirely "new" Classic-like MMO. Wrath Classic would've worked better if it was all set in Northrend and so on.
Exactly my point. So imagine how much easier it is now.
yeah but the thing about vanilla is that naxx gear is super fricking strong at 60 (so strong that it was being used an entire expansion later), if you make something stronger than that in vanilla the stats would get whacky and create a bigger gap between fresh 60s and geared ones. Like naxx bis is approaching avoidance and crit cap territory, more gear would worsen the problem. You need a level cap increase in these situations to help even out the playing field
>"Oh, you leveled up to 60? We made leveling up easier, and now the cap is 70."
>"Oh, you beat Big Bad and found the Ultrasword? This level 61 quest drops better gear."
Thunderfury lasted you the entire expansion in TBC and Atiesh was good till T5/T6ish. TBC handled it better than any other expansion. Vanilla gear could last you a long time in TBC
play private servers, don't support this goyslop for 50 year old dads
Vanilla is a good game. This silly shit spices it up. And we play with the guild social group we've run with through Classic.
The Classic team is demonstrating that they suck metric ass at design, and/or are trying to push too much content to give it internal testing or thought beyond the initial conception, with just fricking constant shit that is broken in ways that are easily anticipated. They posted a light technical dissection of how they fricked up the Ashenvale event progress with their per-layer handling and it was an immediate "What the frick, why would you handle it that way?"
I reached lvl 15 then I remember why I quit back in TBC.
I lasted 2 days.
All the new spells are cancer. I wanted vanilla with some tweaks, not this shit.
What's the point in playing any MMORPG when the playerbase consists of a bunch of twitchtard zoomers?
>doing stockades
>other mage in group has full raid gear
>tank points out that i'm doing more dmg than him in quest greens because gear literally doesn't matter at this lvl
>something snaps in the mage mid-way through the dungeon and he pulls 3 rooms of enemies and causes us to wipe then leaves the dungeon without a word
why are people on here like this
that’s what you get for being a stocks spamming homosexual
i am in QUEST GREENS i am doing it for the QUESTS
generations being raised by lies about how special and important they are compared to everyone else
The mage is probably making the dungeon 10x faster with aoe though.
we were doing 2 rooms at a time and I was doing more dmg than him tho
he literally just chain pulled the entire hallway into us out of nowhere then left
Single target or aoe? Cause I think you should be doing more single target or you suck.
Classic's been the best thing to ever happen to wow, because it's brought out all the millennials and boomers who have to justify their love for the game being nothing more than the nostalgia it is.
if that were true why didn't they do the exact same for wotlk considering how hard they hyped that expansion up? everyones just completely ignoring wrath. Remember how hard the servers were slammed on launch for wrath?
The question was
>wtf else would you do at end-game? [outside of dungeons/raids]
and the answer is all that shit that already exists outside of dungeons and raids, without the dungeons and raids. (You) denied. Stop posting, moron.
When someone asks a question implying they want discussion, you give them a reply. When they then reveal that what they actually want to do is act moronic and be a le ebin troll, you stop replying.
except I did address what they said? they said dungeons, raids and bgs are bad. I pointed out how much the end game in vanilla involves those 3 tihngs
Bad
Yet again it proves that the game is still good but the playerbase of MMOs has changed for the worst
a good idea ruined by the wow community, i know devs could done more but everything bad is a problem created by players, we unironically deserve the absolute state of retail and gaming in general
Classic sisters.. You promised Metzen was here for us.. You were making leaks on Ganker for months about how Metzen was saving /us/.. I had such hopes for Blizzcon. Classic+ felt so close.. And look what we've been left with.. Retail abilities and lore changed to fit retails lore... I was promised new content, new raids.. New experiences.. New expansions.. High Elves and Ogres finally playable.. And what did I get? Three retail expansions and win trading in Stranglethorn
h-hhome??
>gets asked what else you can do at end-game besides raids, dungeons and BGs
>lists a ton of stuff that you can do in raids, dungeons and BGs anyway
Is there any alternative wotlk servers besides warmane thats decent?
>surely I'll win if I keep saying the moronic thing over and over
why do so many people have hundreds and thousands of gold at lvl 30
They bought it from Chinese bot farms.
Literally no one would play ogres, I don't know why they pretend they would
They'd be a kino as frick race, imagine an ogre rogue sneaking up on a gnome. of course, they probably wouldn't be allowed to be rogues but still. like, that idea was something me and my friends wanted to see in the game back when I was in high school. in the fricking 00s. ogres would be great. we wanted worgen back then too and welp we got them, ogres are one of the last what-ifs.
is a reddit thing, they are so quirky and special you know?
Playable ogres is unironically
>You think you do, but you don't
They added Kul'Tiran and no one plays them, so I agree.
wrong
I love being Elemental
>get jumped
>pop SR
>john madden and slurp out a double crit lava burst
All the homosexual rogues and hunters logging their horde alts to b***h and whine is making my erection so much harder
Ganker really should have been gatekept harder. The consequences have been disastrous. Larping fricks drew attention to the site which attracted tourists who understood only "this is a place to be a troll!" but thought trolling was just "act moronic and get replies." And now any time you try to have a conversation or explain something you get some chucklefrick who replies by obstinately ignoring the entire point of the post. It used to just be pic related which was at least entertaining.
To be fair, I genuinely don't think it's "acting" most of the time. I think
>obstinately ignoring the entire point of the post
is genuinely how a lot of people approach discussions and when it's pointed out that they have to actually address your argument, which they can't, the back and forth has nowhere to go but said Anon "pretending" they are moronic.
A sane person would maybe make ONE post of doubling down and then let it go. What you generally see is that they will NEVER stop replying.
>A sane person
Yes, someone for whom the stated "is genuinely how a lot of people approach discussions" applies as opposed to the people who show up to reply endlessly, with no intent on an actual discussion, because it's somehow entertaining for them.
Honestly, this thread isn't even that bad. There's some "IF YOU PLAY WOW IN 2024 YOU ARE STUPID, AHAH I'M FUNNY" here and there, but also a ton of people genuinely discussing about the game.
If you think this thread is bad... try discussing anything Sony-related in this tendie-infested website. I've been called Eric (?) and AC gay (??) a million times just because I said PS5 is a good console. And I don't even own one.
I think you're failing to identify what I'm talking about. If you aren't clearly thinking through the discussion, to the extent that you would by participating in it, the moronic bullshit "trolling" WILL look like an actual argument. THAT is the problem, not the easily dismissed nonsense on par with calling you a discord troony.
>usually only play private servers
>try SoD when it first launched
>servers unstable as frick
>random quest mobs and quest objects just don't have dynamic respawn active so it's impossible to complete on a fresh realm
>certain areas are just totally devoid of players because of the dozens of layers up at all times
>bots infest every inch of the game
>global chat spammed with fricking dungeon blue gear sellers
How the frick are private servers ran by some german neet in his basement feel more like the official version of the game?
It's not. Bots have always existed and Blizzard has never been known to have stable launches.
>How the frick are private servers ran by some german neet in his basement feel more like the official version of the game?
less players
no its the gdkp mentality, and the third worlders playing wow for a living and bots that make it happen
>the gdkp mentality
which exists because of the high number of players
>third worlders playing wow
which are attracted to official servers because of their higher number of players
>and bots
which are attracted to official servers because of their higher number of players
I didn't think I needed to blatantly spell this out for you but the reason private servers don't have these problems is because they don't have a large enough population to sustain these parasites.
It's not as if the private server hosts really have any defense against these problems, they simply don't exist to the degree they will on official servers because of the difference in player count. You can still find third worlders, bots and gold sellers on private servers but they are far less common because they cannot sustain themselves as well on a lower pop.
no because overpopulated 10k+ private servers like nost didnt have that shit?
>nost didnt have that shit?
Literally five seconds on google. You are genuinely moronic and should seek to better yourself if you don't think Nost had gold selling, bots and third worlders.
Hell, you seem so stupid and incapable of using the Internet or thinking critically, that I'd be shocked if you weren't a third worlder yourself.
i was talking about item/boost selling. now show me that, and the flyhacking bots and third worlders making money from boosts etc (not just playing)
>It's not as if the private server hosts really have any defense against these problems
Yes they do. They are actually fricking willing to implement kicks and rapid auto-bans. They have zero tolerance for the most blatant shit like flyhacking. This benefits from their free-to-play service excusing some false positives and them having some actual support staff to deal with such - as well as them being small enough that bot developers won't get into an arms race with them. And they often have humans actually ferreting out bots by responding to an automated suspect queue and hitting the character with a behavior test (e.g. teleport the fishing character 10 yards to the side and see how they react).
>as well as them being small enough that bot developers won't get into an arms race with them
That is literally, explicitly and unambiguously what I said in the post you are replying to. They are able to handle bots and gold sellers to the extent they can because of the relatively small population of the server.
When I say
>It's not as if the private server hosts really have any defense against these problems
that means "the problem stemming from the higher population on official servers"
I gave the partial concession of "benefits from" but that does not invalidate everything that I said, you ass. Read it again.
You did not say a single god damn thing about ability to deal with the bots that exist. You said that the bots exist as much as they do entirely because population attracts them.
>They have zero tolerance for the most blatant shit like flyhacking
And they do it without the moronic "fix" Blizzard has used of making mobs ignore the z-axis to be able to hit flyhackers causing legitimate players walking on an upper floor to get hit by mobs below. On official servers, you can do the thing at the top of the tower, jump down past all the respawns, and get hit eight times by mobs still at the top of the fricking tower.
it feels meh. i had more fun wtih classic hc. every class is just broken beyond belief with the new skills. my lvl 18 mage can pull 6 enemies and just frost nova living bomb living flame and they are dead. endgame raid seems like shit and pvp is one shot ppl.
PROJECT EPOCH PLEASE SAVE ME
all blizzard IP's are dead and they even reanimated the corpses of some like wow.
Why do classic players onions out so hard when retail talents are put into the game? And from what I've seen everyone pays real money for the raid gear anyway, so whats the point?
Because the same people that cry about how retail is shit now either has to hate the retail shit coming over to Classic or has to try and defend the retail shit coming over to Classic. Sort of a lose-lose.
Personally I don't like the rune system, those spells should've been baseline or added to the existing talent trees. They should've reworked all classes really, but they half-assed it by slapping a bunch of new abilities on top of their existing kits.
Also, the open-world is not balanced properly. The game is even easier because players are much stronger now.
It feels like an amateurish mod, not an actual new version of the game.
Classic classes are actually really well balanced apart from warriors doing too much DPS in raids. Hybrids who want to be a mage and a priest in 1 spec, a rogue in another spec, and a warrior in another are just greedy morons who are terrible at the game.
I lost interest in SoD as soon as I saw how creatively shallow the ideas were for phase 2. Whoever's idea it was on the team to bring retail spells/abilities to the games as runes, in stead of trying new/interesting things should be fired. They also allowed for the rot of gdkp/rmt to sit for too long which has now become ingrained into the community and how the perceive and approach endgame. Finally anyone using the phrase "pumpers" should be forced to take a captive bolt stunner to the brain. Frick you morons wanting classic, I asked for vanilla.
Phase 2 is so really bland compared to phase 1. And the community has somehow disintegrated to being worse than ever, with the exact same spellcleave only bullshit that killed TBC classic.
Kek. It was bound to happen with SM. The same thing happened in classic launch with every server.
game is fun, especially with all the incels pushed into stv so the rest of us can enjoy the game
I touched a bit of it in p1 and I like the idea behind it, just that they didn't go far enough in making it different. I also liked the attempts at trying to make some things obscured like the sleeping bag but it is far too easy to just compare the differences in order to find the solution.
Any hope for P3?
What's the state on Project Epoch? Any beta testers willing to tell me if it's gonna be good?
just another coat of paint to sell you vanilla wow.
it was cute, but the honeymoon phase is over. It's just vanilla with retail abilities that boomers who never played retail are just now discovering
Didn't even get 25.
>same WoW classic
>same audience of e-guide using furries and homosexuals
>still has a cucked client with pruned emotes
>same Blizzard
pretty obviously just cope/excuse#261518835 for addicts to keep giving money to Blizzard so that they never have to move on from their adolescence
Are the "e-guide using furries and homosexuals" in the dungeon with you, Anon?
Is there a SoD Hardcore server yet? Hardcore is the only time I've found this game remotely it interesting in the last decade or so.
I've played for a few hours and lfg is spammed with various services non stop. Since these people never shut up I can only assume people pay for them, which is depressing.