What's the best RPGmaker game? Also talk about rpgmaker games you've been playin anons

I mean, our point of disagreement is more that I don't think the songs of black souls fit as well as the ones from the other games I named. Those games all have a cohesive and distinct musical aesthetic that fits the world they're in--specific use of vsts and instruments for a certain vibe. Black Souls has no distinct visual or auditory style besides the admittedly cool but sparingly used chickenscratch art, and I think that's the flaw that keeps it out of the top spot for me as far as RPGMaker games go.

Kikiyama being completely anonymous does have its charm, but it's not -the- defining factor of the game, it stands on its own as an effective psychological horror where no one knows what the frick it means. The best parts of 2kki manage to take the horror aspect and take it places the original didn't, there's some really creative ways it manages to get under my skin and I appreciate it for that.

This seems infinitely better than whatever than whatever the frick was made by delta or whoever.
It has effort to it, even if it is autistic and doesn't fit in game at all.

Let me google who that is.
Oh, he made this fricking thing, huh? Yeah these are pretty bad but I think what I dislike about the reef maze is it tries to add clearly defined lore and narrative to a game that doesn't have any and isn't subtle with its horror.

>...tries to add clearly defined lore and narrative to a game that doesn't have any and isn't subtle with its horror.
Agreed, dude should stick to making his own webcomic.

No, this

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>Lisabros
Say fellas, what do ya make of this?

Being able to effectively use stock assets is actually quite the accomplishment. If you want a point of comparison, just play some shitty RPGM games. It's incredible how hard they can make things clash.

Skill issue

>You didn't beat chaos dungeon bosses first try unless you are a 100% guideBlack person or by every enemy you only mean common mobs.
Most CD bosses are jokes, anon. Only one that can really frick you up on a blind run is that samurai butthole chick. DLC 3 bosses are more likely to frick players over, especially if they don't bother reading.

>I was running a full evasion build
found the problem
Evasion as a stat falls off hard once you finish DLC 1, there's a reason why DLC 3 just hands you a free +100% Eva chest slot that nobody ever ends up using. The sooner the player ends up realizing how buffs and gear work, the sooner that they'll realize they only need one thing for 99% of the shit in the game, [spoiler]Hans.[/spoiler]

>90% of the plot of bs2 has nothing to do with it
90% is a gross overestimation, and the parts of BS2 that do rely on BS1's plot also tend to be some of the most important parts of BS2's plot.

Both Red and Mary are critical for BS2's plot and are the most important things you'd get from playing BS1, but TCO itself is also a central player in the series. Along with Mary and Red, BS1 also introduces us to the events of the tea party and to TCO/the "original" Alice from the tea party via Wonderland/C/D that's so important to BS2's overall plot. In case you forgot, or just didn't realize it while playing, 01 is who we know as Prickett in BS2, and she was the part of TCO that played the role of Alice during the tea party. I'd also say that without doing BS1 C, scenes like the Hotel will fall flat for the player.
Speaking about the DLCs specifically, DLC 3 also has Lindamea make a return from BS1, though that's less about BS2's plot and more about establishing future plot.

>you do get something out of having played bs1 for sure, but its not worth forcing yourself through a mediocre to bad game for
If all someone cares about is the very broad strokes of the plot, you can make an argument that BS1 is unnecessary. However, BS1 establishes a lot of important concepts that BS2 expands upon, and characters like Red and Mary practically require player knowledge of them from BS1 to really understand what they're doing and why they're doing it, shit like endings F/G/H aren't going to make much sense or have as much of an impact because you have zero existing attachment to either Red or Mary. TCO is more just a bonus like you said, but it's still a plot relevant bonus. BS in general is more than just the required story beats, there's a frickton of shit you'll only learn about plotwise and lorewise if you go off the required path, and those hidden optional things you talk about are the main way BS tells that shit to the player. The more you want to get invested into the plot of the series, the more important BS1 becomes for your understanding of it.

>you do get something out of having played bs1 for sure, but its not worth forcing yourself through a mediocre to bad game for
If all someone cares about is the very broad strokes of the plot, you can make an argument that BS1 is unnecessary. However, BS1 establishes a lot of important concepts that BS2 expands upon, and characters like Red and Mary practically require player knowledge of them from BS1 to really understand what they're doing and why they're doing it, shit like endings F/G/H aren't going to make much sense or have as much of an impact because you have zero existing attachment to either Red or Mary. TCO is more just a bonus like you said, but it's still a plot relevant bonus. BS in general is more than just the required story beats, there's a frickton of shit you'll only learn about plotwise and lorewise if you go off the required path, and those hidden optional things you talk about are the main way BS tells that shit to the player. The more you want to get invested into the plot of the series, the more important BS1 becomes for your understanding of it.

i won't deny any of this, i just disagree about its importance--especially because i think you could just as easily get the full story by playing 1 after 2, if 2 left you curious. the emotional impact of 2 is intact without the context of 1, the history of the characters from 1 is just a bonus.

It's the unfortunate truth. It's better than denying reality and claiming that BS1 is just as good, when it frankly isn't.
BS2 is a great game, but BS1 doesn't make a good first impression. It does have some positive sides, like it being hugely nonlinear and having a lot of reactivity (very rare in JRPGs) but its game balance and writing (pre-ending) leave a lot to be desired.
>read a plot synopsis
No. One of the things that makes BS as a series good is how it ties together the story and interactivity/gameplay. Actually experiencing BS1 is necessary for a multitude of reasons:
>BS1 has you travel with a party and has a central hub with NPCs
>BS2 has you travel alone and its central hub is bereft of life
>BS1's level design is structured
>BS2's level design feels very convoluted
>BS1 is full of movement, of characters moving from place to place, you have to complete their quests to get to know them
>BS2 is very static, you can just pay souls and get to their sex scenes
>BS1 uses rather bright colour palette
>BS2 is practically a horror game
All of these tie directly into the series' plot and themes. Plus all the little references strewn around BS1 end up being important plot points. And BS1 is crucial for establishing emotional connection to both the main character and the others.
This goes into spoiler territory, but BS1's apparent poor writing and lack of originality is fully intentional and is a plot point. The main villain is named fricking Mary Sue, after all. And to top it off she's called out for being a hack writer by other characters.

Both Red and Mary are critical for BS2's plot and are the most important things you'd get from playing BS1, but TCO itself is also a central player in the series. Along with Mary and Red, BS1 also introduces us to the events of the tea party and to TCO/the "original" Alice from the tea party via Wonderland/C/D that's so important to BS2's overall plot. In case you forgot, or just didn't realize it while playing, 01 is who we know as Prickett in BS2, and she was the part of TCO that played the role of Alice during the tea party. I'd also say that without doing BS1 C, scenes like the Hotel will fall flat for the player.
Speaking about the DLCs specifically, DLC 3 also has Lindamea make a return from BS1, though that's less about BS2's plot and more about establishing future plot.

i mean, yeah, that lore tidbit about the original alice is interesting, but she's barely in bs1 in the first place--and most people won't even realize the prickett thing. the poseidon hotel scene would fall flat, but it's also like this hidden optional thing that some players won't even find. you do get something out of having played bs1 for sure, but its not worth forcing yourself through a mediocre to bad game for

>you do get something out of having played bs1 for sure, but its not worth forcing yourself through a mediocre to bad game for
If all someone cares about is the very broad strokes of the plot, you can make an argument that BS1 is unnecessary. However, BS1 establishes a lot of important concepts that BS2 expands upon, and characters like Red and Mary practically require player knowledge of them from BS1 to really understand what they're doing and why they're doing it, shit like endings F/G/H aren't going to make much sense or have as much of an impact because you have zero existing attachment to either Red or Mary. TCO is more just a bonus like you said, but it's still a plot relevant bonus. BS in general is more than just the required story beats, there's a frickton of shit you'll only learn about plotwise and lorewise if you go off the required path, and those hidden optional things you talk about are the main way BS tells that shit to the player. The more you want to get invested into the plot of the series, the more important BS1 becomes for your understanding of it.

Anon, every time you find traces of one of your companions, fight alongsite summons, meet the people from the first game (especially the black trial and Victoria), go to a location connected with the previous games, you will have no idea who they are, where you are and what's the significance of them being there. Places like tne train station should feel like an oasis of familiarity in an alien world, going to that cave and hears the executioner's theme play should twist your guts and hearing about Lindamea, get you hyped for the future. Plot isn't the only thing you're missing

go to >>>/vg/ and make a fricking general at this point. BSshitters are some of the worst in existence because entire threads get clogged up with walls of spoilers for absolutely no goddamn reason while the rest talk about how much they want to coom to alice in wonderland.

/hgg2d/ is a cesspool and from what little interaction I had with them they're against spoiler culture.

BSgays couldn't ask for a better example of the type of person who seethes about the games, than you.

God forbid people talk about games on Ganker.
>for absolutely no goddamn reason
It's to mog on morons incapable of writing more than 2 sentences per post.

It's the unfortunate truth. It's better than denying reality and claiming that BS1 is just as good, when it frankly isn't.
BS2 is a great game, but BS1 doesn't make a good first impression. It does have some positive sides, like it being hugely nonlinear and having a lot of reactivity (very rare in JRPGs) but its game balance and writing (pre-ending) leave a lot to be desired.
>read a plot synopsis
No. One of the things that makes BS as a series good is how it ties together the story and interactivity/gameplay. Actually experiencing BS1 is necessary for a multitude of reasons:
>BS1 has you travel with a party and has a central hub with NPCs
>BS2 has you travel alone and its central hub is bereft of life
>BS1's level design is structured
>BS2's level design feels very convoluted
>BS1 is full of movement, of characters moving from place to place, you have to complete their quests to get to know them
>BS2 is very static, you can just pay souls and get to their sex scenes
>BS1 uses rather bright colour palette
>BS2 is practically a horror game
All of these tie directly into the series' plot and themes. Plus all the little references strewn around BS1 end up being important plot points. And BS1 is crucial for establishing emotional connection to both the main character and the others.
This goes into spoiler territory, but BS1's apparent poor writing and lack of originality is fully intentional and is a plot point. The main villain is named fricking Mary Sue, after all. And to top it off she's called out for being a hack writer by other characters.

>the same question 3rd~4th time in this thread.
same as everyone else anon itt. reread the thread i ""mostly"" agree with them

>I'm just going to assume it boils down to three things then, gameplay, story, and art.
pretty much. although to be fair, I'll list some of the things i did like, like the moving in cutscenes bit(with the merchant daughter in bs1. the one that gets killed by a snake if i remember correctly) and the actual art(not the stock asset spam) is good(sometimes)
>it's better to have easy and fast gameplay than slow and tedious gameplay
eh. it's a bit tedious to spam the invisibility spell to avoid enemies in bs2 especially low level enemies that you can one shot. the invisibility spell not removing collision is also annoying since you have to dash around enemies(that you can one shot for the nth time) so i wouldn't call it "fast" it is easy tho, and no enemy was too frustrating.

How about you stop evading and answer a simple question that can't be easily guessed by just skimming through a let's play on youtube, to give yourself some validity?

Whose route did you take in Winterbell?

Ending G is the moment when anagnorisis happens. Thanks to ending B you know what is happening, thanks to the flames and Queensland you know why it's happening, but only in ending G do you get the final piece of the puzzle that lets you connect the two.

Name some VX/Ace games that use Charge Time Battle system instead of simple turn based then.

Whatever you say, dumbass.

I didn't get BTFO'd because I don't play slop like Cucked Souls. But this battle screen is literally indistinguishable from any other standard RPG Maker VX/Ace game. And if it looks like slop and tastes like slop, then slop it is.

We already knew you didn't play it, no need to spell it out

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I recently "finished" fleshchild. It's sad it was abandoned.

I played that one too, really well done. Though looking at the creator's page and learning that the MC was meant to be a troony kinda soured my taste. But now that I looked at the wiki maybe it was changed? Hopefully. I played it when it originally released
I tried out some older lines like Dhux's scar and GU-L but haven't finished them and I doubt I ever will. It seems old RPGm just isn't for me. Besides those and fleshchild the last one I played was coffin, but it was back when the first chapter was out on itch and I'll probably wait for the full game to be out before I finish it. I want to get into Towelket at some point but right now I don't have much free time.

FPBP

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I also love OFF and Witch's House. Lisa, F&H, Hylics and To The Moon were also pretty good. To The Moon is what got me into RPGMaker games all the years back actually, so I can't help but remember it fondly.
YTTD might reach the same level as OFF/Witch's House, but it has to get released first.

Don't you ever get tired of being wrong?
I'm still waiting for examples of a rpgm games with the same charge battle system as BS. It's supposedly default, so it shouldn't be hard to find them.

You're genuinely braindead.

>you're arguing with bsgays. they don't play anything else
>quotes bsgays talking about the games they've played
I'm glad you're so dumb there's a non 0 chance you might forget how to breathe one day.

>yanfly
>japanese developer
Pick one

>slopket

it's the remake of 3, which deviates quite a lot
though looking again it's MV instead, do I messed up since that post asked for VX