What's the point of choices if you can't accept its consequences?
>I want my drow waifu but I don't want the grove massacre pls larian!
What's the point of choices if you can't accept its consequences?
What's the point of choices if you can't accept its consequences?
>I want my drow waifu but I don't want the grove massacre pls larian!
>consequences
>In a video game
Get fricking real
yes anon, that's how gameplay works
Its a hyperbolic use of the word.
I'm not a gay tho
>tho
gay
I'm not, please stop
that isn't what hyperbole means you fricking spaz, read a book
stfu kid get modded
For me, the problem is that there's not really a compelling reason to massacre them. You really want to risk your life to ally with goblins?
the fight is much, much, much easier if you side with the goblins. you're going out of your way to be heroic if you side with the teiflings.
The tieflings never tried to make me smear shit on myself. The tieflings don't eat people. If you're looking for the easy path, it's ignoring the entire conflict.
i'm just saying that at the point of the battle there is a very compelling reason to side with the gobbos and it's that the bigger army is telling you to kill the teiflings. your life is in far more danger fighting for the teifs than for the gobs.
>your life is in far more danger fighting for the teifs than for the gobs
Except for the part where goblins themselves aren't at all threatening to anyone who isn't a level 1 shitter with a beatstick and sackcloth trousers.
they have goblins worgs spiders minthara and ogres
they're far more threatening than level 6 zevlor and a bunch of teif guards and villagefolk
thats why saving them is the hero option, they're far weaker than the invaders
>they have goblins worgs spiders minthara and ogres
Zevlor has his own remix, checkmate gobtheists
And you're right in that aspect, but it still comes across as a really dumb decision overall. I specifically went in wanting to recruit Minthara for Drussy but the game doesn't sell that side to a pragmatic character at all.
but you're looking at it like a game where you just pick your waifu and frick her
the drussy has a cost and that cost is the evil route
I'm okay with evil, but stupid is a bridge too far
but again, the pragmatic person would see the giant spiders, the suicide bomber goblins, the evil drow sex queen, the worgs and the ogres and know how it's going to shake out. It's brave and morally right to align with the teiflings but if you want to do that roleplay thing and talk about rping a pragmatic character then the answer is to hide and side with the winner or side with the stronger army.
>the answer is to hide and side with the winner or side with the stronger army
I have a brainworm that everyone is telling me will kill me within days. I tried talking to the druid healer, she betrayed me. I tried talking to the absolute priestess about it, she betrayed me. At this point waiting around to see who wins the local pissing contest seems pretty pointless to me.
thats a fair point too and netty trying to kill you could also be justification for siding with the goblins depending on how you start the game. i could see someone rational having nettie pull out the poison needle thing then saying frick that and running to side with the other team.
but you're right that hiding is pointless. so to me if i want to put on my pragmatic hat, it's side with the bigger army, be a hero, or die
That's literally what I did, except that then the other team tried to frick me over too. And Minthara's first action when meeting you is to try and mind control you, so it's not particularly smart to play along with her either. I ended up killing her and only killed the rest of the camp for munchkin reasons. Killed Jaheira too as soon as she tried her little stunt.
The goblin camp is easy to wipe out solo though
yes
the teiflings are easier to wipe out solo though
it's actually easier to wipe out the goblins and you can just stealthily kill the leaders easily and explosively
or you can non-stealthfully take out the 2 or 3 underequipped teifling guards and slit zevlors throat in a third of the time
again im not saying the goblins are "hard" just "harder" than the teiflings
that's why they're prey for the goblins
big bank take little bank
>roleplay with villain alignment
>much more resources
which is part of the consequences, the jokers think they want to do a full goody-two shoes run with her which is hilarious
>compelling reason
slaughtering the tiefling children
>there's not really a compelling reason to massacre them.
Why do you need one? I wanted to do it so I did. Thats reason enough for me.
Do you really need a carrot on a stick?
>Eating shit is good enough for me, why not for you? Do you really need nutrition at the end of the day?
There's a disconnect in available choices and available content. You're effectively punished for not picking the choices Larian wants you to.
Not really. Playing evil you get gear faster and easier. The game becomes a push over faster.
>food analogy
it's the only kind of analogy larian apologists will understand
nice self own, moron
>ally with goblins
Why do people continue to misunderstand whom you're siding with?
The "real" reason is to get closer to the Absolute, but with all the information you have at the time the main idea is to get as far from them as you can because they want your rubics cube.
Okay, you want to risk your life to ally with the homosexuals who are trying to control you via brainworm?
>completely misses the side show where it's shown you can dominate said people with your mindworm
>wow I'll bet the people who implanted me with this have no plan to use it against me
>one (1) time per day, only against the total plebs
Because it's called the Goblin camp and its run by a Goblin Priestess and a hobgoblin warlord
It changes to the absolute when you get there and see they're all just being controlled by the futurama brain
>the problem is that there's not really a compelling reason to massacre them
From my point of view there is no compelling reason to spare them.
>You really want to risk your life to ally with goblins?
Goblins are a slave race just like you, thus they are to be used and thrown away like so many plastic goyim.
>t.Llolth
you're right but you'll never please everyone, least of all coomers that dont care about how the game works.
You actually can somewhat ''save'' the grove+the tieflings and get Minthara but you lose Halsin and can't save the Shadowcursed lands without him.
But if I don't have Halsin, who will frick Shadowheart for me???
It wouldn't be a problem if the entire grove situation were at all well written, but it isn't. Nobody actually cares about the Grove, they just don't want to lose out on the Tiefling shit, and there's absolutely no reason why you couldn't tell them to peace the frick out before the attack.
>Did you find the secret exit from the grove?
>Did you tell Minthara about the secret exit?
>Are key goblin outposts destroyed?
Fulfill these three conditions, telling Zevlor to escort the tieflings away from the grove should lead them to Last Light.
You'll just lose out on Halsin and purifying the cursed lands, but who gives a frick?
We both know it's not really about the tieflings but waifugays wanting their drow while having goodie brownie points.
>We both know it's [strawman]
No, the most common complaint with Minthara is you lose so much to gain so little. You don't get anything for the goblins still being alive, you can't save Ketheric or Gortash, there's nothing in return for killing the druids and the tieflings.
anon, if you're playing the villain route you want their power too.
>strawman
it can't be a strawman if it's true
>the villain route
what fricking villain route?
You pick a naughty boy option near the start and you go down the EXACT same motherfricking path as the goody two shoes route, doing the same fricking quests and getting the same fricking outcomes. There are no "routes". As soon as you're done with Act 1, nobody fricking cares about it anymore because nobody is alive to care. Shart moves on after the party.
>Playing evil you get gear faster and easier
You mean you get Act 1 vendor trash for free, and you get some gimmick items if you're Durge (the cape is the best one and it's free)
>You mean you get Act 1 vendor trash for free,
You're missing out on quite a bit if thats what you're thinking
Also, its an RPG, gear begets gear. The sooner you get anything of worth the sooner you get upgrades since you're able to take that content on and thus forth.
evil alignment anon, keeping the power for yourself. that's my third playthrough. why would you fricking save gortash and ketheric.
>BG3
>Alignments
lol
lmao even
you probably thinking of vidya alignment when I am talking about your character
>newhomosexual doesn't know alignments were an actual thing in lore and not just a game mechanic
yes anon that's why I said your character than video game
it literally tells you yours is more powerful
You can keep the power for yourself at the literal end of the game via single dialogue choice that doesn't take anything you did during the game into account after you beat the final boss, that's the actual extent of your villain route.
moron what do you want? should the map change if you're evil? for all intents and purposes the world exists as it is, you just walk through it. you can go through that journey to baldurs gate being good or evil. the landscape and people living there arent going to change but their reactions to you and your options do.
>moron what do you want?
Some actual reactivity would be nice. I understand you've never played an RPG from before 2008 but that doesn't mean I have to sit and gleefully accept the piddling effort devs are putting into their craft now because everything has to look like a fricking hollywood blockbuster.
name some RPGs with specific examples of world reactivity that is implemented better than BG3.
Not the anon you're responding to, but honestly there isn't many I can think of. Maybe Ultima 7 but thats all I've got
of course, because he was being disingenuous and just wanted to complain. BG3 isn't perfect but as far as big budget modern 3D RPGs that last 200+ hours, I've not played one with more world reactivity than it. Of course you can bring up text based game where you can literally talk directly to characters and sugggest things, or isometric games from the 90s that just have to deal with sprites and text, but as far as a full fledged modern game that looks and plays like it's AAA this is the top of the mountain for me until someone can name a game that does it better.
You can actually save the tieflings, recruit Halsin while also recruiting Minthara. It does require you to knock out Minthara when she is temporarily hostile, and then when you reach Moonrise go back to her and do some polymorph + dominate beast shenagians. That way you can still save everyone while recruiting everyone.
The problem I have with it is Kethric himself doesn't want the grove to be massacred because he is turning them via the shadow druids slowly over time anyways. Its just a random thing that makes more sense if the hobgoblin leads the charge because its in his nature, and not Minthara the strategist. She even tells you later she didn't want to but had to, but you did it for basically drow pussy
>but you did it for basically drow pussy
Totally worth it to be quite frank with you fampai. that drussy got me acting the fool.
I killed them all.
It was easy.
Frog girl and shadowheart were pleased as well.
>shadowheart were pleased as well
What? Shadowheart drinks herself stupid out of guilt. She's far from pleased if you slaughter the grove.
Every male companion not named Astarion sucks so bad that I'm considering doing a lesbo Tav run for Shadowheart or playing a prettyboy selunite
I’m fine with killing the tieflings, but raid the grove is worse than ignore the grove conflict in every single way, so it’s a horrible designed quest that needs some kind of incentive to it. Good thing it is possible to save the tieflings and recruit Minthara at the same time without the use of mods.
Should have been able to play as a goblin
The T*eflings got what they deserved, getting a drow wife was just a bonus.
You could easily argue the goblins are fricking morons that are just getting manipulated, and you should easily be able to convince Minthara of that. It's not a matter of "they are evil so you have to pick the evil route", it's a matter of not being able to make an argument that clearly exists.
minthara is being manipulated by the same thign manipulating the goblins
she doesnt have octussy protection like the rest of the party at the time
But she does have it during her sex scene (guessing they didn’t want the scene to be rape). But then afterwards she just goes back to being a slave. It’s really stupid that she doesn’t stick around once she is in control of herself again.
>But she does have it during her sex scene
does she? i didnt actually do her route yet but is there anything that indicates she loses her control? could be since she's around everyone else whos also under the protection of the emperor so she briefly got shielded or something but i wasn't aware that she had a moment of clarity
After you recruit her, she does mention that she was in control during the sex scene. But that is something that most likely was only implemented to avoid the scene being rape.
weird, maybe. maybe your benis gives the emperor an in so he can also protect her briefly through the power of drussy. or maybe you just frick her head straight for a few hours.
>It’s really stupid
The whole MacGuffin thing is so fricking moronic given that it's actually gay squidward siphoning Orpheus' powers and not the artifact itself (which you only lean two acts later) so it's really better off not to think about it. Rewrites fricked everything they could in the game. I can't think of a way of fixing this shit short of an entire rewrite yet again.
You can literally just convince her with a persuasion check to come back to the grove and talk to you. If she's in the grove, the actual prism should be able to work on her. There's no reason why that wouldn't work.
yeah idk I'd have to do a run where I try that to really have a solid say either way so I can't comment. if its unexplained then it's probably because she was a late choice for a companion they added last minute so the story doesnt line up perfectly at all times. same thing happens a LOT with halsin, for instance if you use halsin and go back to the grove and talk to people they won't even acknowledge him. i think the bear by the river literally thanks halsin for rescuing master halsin if you talk to him. some stuff slips through the cracks i guess. doesn't hamper my overall enjoyment of the game but it'd be cool if it had all the details down pat.
>If she's in the grove, the actual prism should be able to work on her
There's no reason for the prism to work on her. The fact that she regained some of her mind when you fricked is an asspull itself.
>astral prism works on everyone
>except this character because lol
If Astral Prism worked like an artifact there wouldn't be any need for any Emperor bullshit and it would've actually worked on everyone. But no, Larian shoved him in there and put him behind the wheel on the anti-brainwashing shield matters.
Yes and why do you think he wouldn't try to prevent Minthara's brainwashing, when he did it for Minsc even though he thought we shouldn't help Minsc?
Why he wouldn't do it for [insert any other character with brain bug] then? There were droves of potential powerful allies. Never mind that at that point you weren't even aware of real nature of the artifact and couldn't "use" it to unfrick anyone you personally wanted.
i want satisfying evil playthrough like in arcanum or fo1
non-stop french kissing mating press deep breeding sex until she's turned good
>Knock her out
>Steal her stuff
>Leave her butt naked and unarmed in a goblin camp
Lol
Lmao
>i want my durge husband but i don't want to be evil anymore!
what's the point of minthara if she's not a bad guy
Post her pouting face