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  1. 2 years ago
    Anonymous
  2. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Too Unitedstatian to win.
    It also suffered of what I'd like to call the "SEGA Saturn syndrome"

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      The Jaguar chipset is British

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        What difference does that make? So is the Super FX chip. Most of its games are American, and it's games that sell systems - not the other way round. You killed it by yourself.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Tempest 2000 is British
          Alien vs. Predator is British
          Rayman is French
          Super Burnout is French
          Raiden port is British
          Heck, even the memetic bad Jaguar exclusives like Cybermorph and Kasumi Ninja are both British. The only American-made Jaguar games people actually care about are Wolf 3D and Doom ports. Jaguar has European DNA all over it.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            All great games and ports. Atari was an American company. No one in any other part of the world had any say in how Atari did business. Stop palming the blame onto others for your bad decisions.

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              Atari Corporation was structured similarly to Jack Tramiel's previous company with focus on powerful regional branches for wider global outreach. That's how they managed to sell Atari ST to half of Europe.
              Atari Falcon computers were designed by the Germans and Atari Jaguar console was designed by the British. There was nothing America-centric about Atari Corporation, unlike the Atari Inc. of old or the arcade manufacturer Atari Games.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                >the left hand doesn't know what the right hand is doing
                I don't care who was doing what where, the top brass wasn't European, Japanese, or anything else; they were American. Stop blaming others for your bad choices.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                Why do you assume that I'm an American?

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                Because no one deflects more.

  3. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    In general, it sucks.
    The homebrew scene is cool though.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      What are the best homebrew Jag games

  4. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    It's actually a pretty nifty arcade machine, but way too redundant to botter nowadays.

    I like his design tho, specially the carts.

  5. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    why did you need a fricking calculator on the gamepad

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      so you can do the math, dumbass

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous
      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        mic drop

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      It's really nice changing weapons in Doom with the number pad actually. Controllers are handicapped by the lack of buttons, unlike keyboards.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      A lot of the games are actually OK, I would have been pissed if I'd bought it for MSRP BITD. If you have a flashcart there's a lot of cool homebrew that's mostly Atari ST ports, plus after 1996 the inheritor of Atari basically let anyone who wanted to develop for it.

      Because it's a repurposed Atari Falcon controller, the Tramiels were historically cheap israelites.
      The CD addon is shit tho.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      DO
      THE
      MATH

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        the price was the reason i was able to afford a console when it dropped. i had many consoles in my life but strangely enough it was the one i regretted selling the most...

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        On the few multiplats they share games tend to look better on the non-Jag version,
        Ignore the setpieces, Rayman is inconsistent as frick between console versions. They both make use of the same setpieces in different places.

  6. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    toilet

  7. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    It only had 2 good games, I owned the Jaguar.

    Tempest 2000
    Aliens vs Predator

    The controllers were an abomination.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      It also had the best console port of Wolfenstein. Rayman and Raiden were worth playing too.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >it only has 2 good games
      Then it's tied with N64 as the crappiest system.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        lol! sick burn! you get my updoot, fellow patrician!

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Shouldn't you be making another OoT thread?

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >controllers were an abomination
      so, you DIDN'T own one then?
      stop parroting youtube ecelebs
      the controllers i have (new old stock) are perfectly fine- i beat wolfenstien on them

  8. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    I've always been curious, but I'm just waiting for that Atari 50 compilation on modern machines at this point.

  9. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Worth it for AVP

  10. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    should've released the panther instead. they could've even reworked the jaguar hardware into the Panther CD.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Powerful CPU, but no 3D GPU. Got some really great looking 2D games. Some of the 3D games are okay, they were rendered in software and thus slow. Controller was mid, unless you own the pro edition with shoulder buttons. Great contender to the 32X, budget next gen system at the time, but nothing remarkable otherwise.

      I don't think the Panther was necessary. It would've knocked the SNEZZ and Geneshit out of the ballpark in 1991, but there wasn't much time left until the next generation consoles were coming. What they should've done was not developing the Panther altogether and use the budget to design a 3D geometry and texture chip to be paired with Jaguar's Tom CPU in factory. The Jerry CPU was unnecessary, they could've simply used an 8 MHz 68K chip to control a PCM sound chip, it would be even cheaper that way. Optional CD drive should be available from the start.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        1991 is the same year the SNES came out in the US and the same year the genesis got sonic, it would've released basically alongside the competition. only issue is it had no games so it wouldn't have hit the ground running, but I think it could've achieved 15% market share and I don't see even an upgraded jaguar ever doing that. also the jaguar DID have a GPU, they just called it a blitter and it was on the same RAM as the rest of the hardware so it was bottlenecked.

        there's no easy way to make the jaguar competitive with the playstation given sony's economics and extra year of tech advancement. going up against the 16-bits would've been easier because SNES was so far behind the curve of what was possible in its day, while playstation pretty much nailed it.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          the jaguar’s blitter does gouraud shading, but I think the RISCs have to do texture mapping.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Exactly, texture mapping as well as geometry calculation were entirely done in software. The blitter could do some Z-buffering, but that's it.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          >also the jaguar DID have a GPU, they just called it a blitter
          What a blitter does is rapidly rendering the frames constructed in the CPU into the display hardware. It had no quick 3D math calculation capability, unlike PS1's GTE chip and N64's Reality co-processor, the Jaguar needed something like those.

          >it was on the same RAM as the rest of the hardware so it was bottlenecked
          No, 2D games on the system ran extremely well. Super Burnout renders thousands of sprites at the same time to form pseudo 3D graphics, and the framerate never dropped from 60 FPS. Rayman displayed colorful and rich 2D graphics without any frame drop. The only thing Jaguar couldn't compete with the next gen consoles at was 3D.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            jaguar kicked ass at 2D because of the Object Processor, which was like a hardware sprite engine on steroids and could do all kinds of things that other systems required much more processing to do. unified memory was a strength for that setup. unfortunately it released too late for that to be decisive in the market. and I just don't see it being that much of an asset to a more advanced 3D-capable system like the playstation; it becomes kind of redundant once you have that much rendering power.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >Super Burnout
            it's nice, but it's no Galaxy Force II

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              Sure, but Super Burnout is faster. There's also Blue Lightning, but it's ugly and poorly optimized.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                yeah, I think the jaguar could've handled galaxy force ii just fine. I'm just saying it's a shame all the good IPs were owned by their competitors.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        the thing about the panther is that it was not only more powerful than the SNES, it was also cheaper. it did have some technical limitations and wouldn’t have been better at EVERYTHING, but it was better at enough things by a good enough margin that it would’ve had a clear selling point (for arcade ports and shit) despite being unable to do certain things. jaguar never really had that, it was just a budget next-gen console whose lineup was underwhelming because it was so hard to develop for. and the gaps in the panther’s capabilities could’ve been filled in by a CD addon that would’ve shat all over the sega CD.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          The would have worse graphics than the SNES, it had only 32K of RAM, but the 16MHz CPU and blitter were insane. There would've been no slowdown no matter what game you play. It would be able to run Star Fox without any additional hardware, we know that Cybermorph was programmed for it.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            nope, it displayed graphics straight from ROM like the neogeo. it would've been able to shit detailed sprites all over the screen, and it had hardware run-length encoding to get decent mileage out of small cartridges, but it would suck at RAM-based graphics (like star fox). it would've been great for fighters and run-n-guns basically.

  11. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Not that great tbh

    most of the good stuff are ports and just be played elsewhere

  12. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Where did you learn to fly.

  13. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Atari died with that console.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Atari died long before the Jaguar

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Atari was in a much better state under Jack Tramiel's management. They were bleeding money prior, but managed to turn in profit for every product they made after he took over, maybe except for the Jaguar. Atari ST was a success that saved the company's finance, 7800 and 2600 Jr weren't popular compared to the big name japanese consoles but made a decent profit, so did the Lynx and XEGS. Until his son took over and messed up Panther's and Jaguar's development, Atari was a better company than it ever was.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          I agree, I'm a big fan of Jack's Atari, most of my Atari gear is from his tenure.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Atari was the most productive under his management despite being a lot financially weaker than it used to be. That's quite impressive. He did well with Commodore's and Epyx's licensed tech. Lynx could've ended up in the gutter like Konix Multisystem without him. Shame about his son.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      The company technically survived, or at least its name did. The Matrix PS2 games were published by Atari, although by then it was some subdivision of a french company or something. Trying to actually follow the trail of what got bought by who is pretty convoluted

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        the name still somewhat lives on through random games

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        I don't know why but this gif immediately makes me horny.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          because stoned girls like anal and you are gay

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        In 2003 Infogrames bought all of the rights to Atari and then renamed themselves Atari.

        In recent years they've tried some weird crap no one cares about with crypto and hotels and shit and a new console no one bought, but they just now seem to be sort of going on a decent path. They've released some good games recently like the Recharged series, Pong Quest, and Atari Mania, and they're going to release later this year a collection of 90 games from the 2600, 5200, 7800, ST, Lynx, and Jaguar on all of the major consoles along with some new games the collection'll have.

  14. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >more Bits than total games in its library

  15. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Did anyone actually own one of these when it was new? Ive never seen one or even heard anyone talk about it other than here or on Youtube. Anytime someone IRL mentions Atari theyre talking about the 2600.

  16. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    Bean counters like Ray Kassar and James J. Morgan (some former tobacco businessman) are the ones who ruined Atari. Nolan Bushnell and Jack Tramiel were both great CEOs and tech minded people that actually cared about the products they were making. Sam Tramiel was a shitter though.

  17. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    honestly I'd happily buy one just for tempest alone, that game is probably the best remake ever made

  18. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    The cope around the 68000 and the hard to develop architecture is just hot air at this point, there were countless homebrewers who came and went claiming they found what others didn't in terms of performance only to vanish away without delivering. What is known is that the Jaguar was rushed, the hardware had very useful features who came out buggy and unusable, and at the end of the day it would struggle to fight the 3DO head to head, let alone the actual non-transitional "32-bit" consoles like the PS1, Saturn and N64.
    That alone wouldn't necessarily kill it (even though the gap between it and a PS1 is really huge, trust me), but what really was the final nail in the coffin was Atari itself. They tried to be the #1 games console at the time with a shoestring budget, and the bastards almost made it in places like europe through marketing and brand inertia alone, but in the end they did not have enough to develop a show stopper for their launch OR build a relationship with a dev that could (this game is powered by namco, it's ridge racer, riiiidge racerrrrrr). It didn't even need to be that great of a game since their competition was primarily 3DO and SNES/GEN at the time but they had to resort to risible bedroom coder shit like that shitty furry game, and cybermorph (btfo by star fox not by polygon count but by the fun factor in a 3D ship game). And in desperation to stay relevant they went and did a lot of moronic stuff like poaching 1 (one) dev from Virtua Fighter and locking him in a basement, making an add-on CD drive and kickstart a lot of FMV garbage and stuff as ambitious and viable as a kid's idea for a video game, etc. while leaking the little money they had. Their 2 best games are a Jeff Minter low graphics game and a Space Hulk style FPS that's way overhyped.
    Kinda wish they managed to do better, at least until the PS1/Sat landed. It'd be the perfect transitional/budget console if well managed and could easily eat the 3DO's lunch at least.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >this essay
      literally and unironically did not read

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        did not ask, seethe, cope & dilate

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          didnt ask for your gaygit Black person-punctuated essay either, now please have a nice day and spare the world a redditor

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            have a nice day

            >3DO
            That shit was $700. The Jaguar was only $250 at launch, dropped to $150 within a year, and not sold at a loss like PS1 and Saturn. The 3DO bested the PS1 in some respects, the Star Fighter port it had has much better viewing distance and even terrain deformation. The 3DO had a texture transformation chip while the Jaguar had to do everything in software and blit the graphics data into the display processor. It was great for 2D games, but 3D required more complex math operations being done simultaneously. A 28 Mhz RISC chip without math co-processor can only do so much. Even the N-Gage with its 100 Mhz ARM chip struggled to maintain a steady framerate on its PS1 quality graphics game with lower resolution.

            Yeah the price difference is huge which is why the performance differences between 3DO and Jaguar wouldn't be that significant if it had any real success at all early on.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        didnt ask for your gaygit Black person-punctuated essay either, now please have a nice day and spare the world a redditor

        >essay
        Not him, but you'll regularly see more words on the page of a book. Just how lazy and stupid are you?

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Still not reading it.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >3DO
      That shit was $700. The Jaguar was only $250 at launch, dropped to $150 within a year, and not sold at a loss like PS1 and Saturn. The 3DO bested the PS1 in some respects, the Star Fighter port it had has much better viewing distance and even terrain deformation. The 3DO had a texture transformation chip while the Jaguar had to do everything in software and blit the graphics data into the display processor. It was great for 2D games, but 3D required more complex math operations being done simultaneously. A 28 Mhz RISC chip without math co-processor can only do so much. Even the N-Gage with its 100 Mhz ARM chip struggled to maintain a steady framerate on its PS1 quality graphics game with lower resolution.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        What I don't get about the 3DO is why did they use that underclocked chip as its CPU. Heck, its memory bus ran at higher frequency than.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          it was cheap and available at the time at that clock. supposedly if they'd waited a few more months, they could've had a much better ARM chip.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Thing is, that ARM chip can run at 20 MHz without issues. It would've been a much better fit for the system, especially since it would be harmonized to the memory bus speed.

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              I think the CPU would have had to run at 25mhz or 12.5 to synchronize nicely with the RAM bus. Since the ARM60 available in late '93 was only available up to a max of 20mhz as you mentioned they were stuck with the lower option. That wasn't too much of an issue since its custom chips ran at 25mhz, but what really sucked was the CPU's lack of cache, which caused it to halt during frame drawing.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                I bet they could've run it at 23mhz or something without it breaking, and then just clock the rest of the system down slightly so it's the same. clock ratings were fake back then and too conservative.

  19. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    I'm one of the only people in existence who owns a fully functional Jaguar CD.
    Ask me anything about the system.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Is the dpad bad?

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        I wouldn't call it "great", but it functions fine enough from my experience.

  20. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    As Biff Malone would say: it’s fun, fun, fun! Don’t be a Jag flamer!

  21. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    do not buy it unless you love it, or atari, or both,.

  22. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >under 500k copies sold
    How did it flop so hard?

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      they were busy hosing their consumers with the 5200, 7800, xegs, etc

      just like sega with the cd and 32x
      if people get the bad taste of a soiled brand then its over

      consumers are morons

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      I mean just look at that thing. It deserved failure. It didn't have great games either so yet again it was deserved.

  23. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >don't pay devs their dues before they delivered the product to "cut costs"
    >mismanage the hell of the company
    >jump ship to another company
    >repeat
    >profit
    Jaguar was too Japanese for the Western market, or something

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Atari Falcon 030 is not our future.

  24. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Hot garbage

  25. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >misguided marketing campaign focusing too much on bits
    >mismatched hardware that was neither good at 3D neither 2D
    >outdated controller design
    >made by a company that was virtually out of the video games market since the 80s and didn't inspire confidence
    >general lack of software dude to lack of 3rd party support

    I would add that it came out at a time where nobody really knew what to do with the extra power, 3D games basically didn't exist so it was all uncharted territory.

    It's funny because if you look at the Playstation it's basically the opposite in every aspect, it's the anti-Jaguar and it succeeded immensely:

    >unlimited budget marketing targeting adolescents and young adults as opposed to kids
    >no nonsense hardware designed from the ground up for 3D
    >modernized version of the tried and true SNES controller
    >made by a reputable company that makes high quality consumer electronics
    >secured 3rd party support by making the hardware attractive to developers, offering interesting licensing deals or outright bribing and stealing publishers from the competition

  26. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    My cousin had a Lynx. Was it any good? Did it have any interesting games?

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      homebrew scene is suprisingly good
      i sold mine though

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