What's the verdict, is it actually a flop or not?
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What's the verdict, is it actually a flop or not?
What's the verdict, is it actually a flop or not?
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It's just the new edition of Warhammer Fantasy Battles. Feels the same as the good ol' days of 6th-7th, comfy community. Not anything like the WAAChomosexualry of 8th. All those shitters went to AoS or 40k.
I'd call that a success.
>Kasarkingay has moved on from schizoposting about KT and is now shilling GW's nostalgia cashgrab
Sad to see.
I have been checking every morning to see if my first reply got any replies and come to find this literal nonsensical bullshit.
What the frick are you even talking about?
All of it sold, no games played in my area yet. Sounds like a win for GW.
Sold to & bought by scalpers, ofc GW don't care as long as it looks good on their yearly financial reviews.
So far, we'll see how far they're gonna warp the universe bit by bit with their "modernizations", like the now common female Brettonian knights.
I won't play it tho, I prefer to use 1PageRules instead.
1 page rules is the most generic, bland, stupid shit imaginable. if you enjoy that you must be literally autistic and unable to comprehend what 'enjoy' means
from what i've heard from both my own FLGS owner and a few interviews i've watched its more or less
it sold boxes okay, but no one is playing it. the old guard with their pre existing collections havent started showing up to play games, and new players either havent finished building and painting enough to play it, or arent interested in actually playing it in the first place. it could also be the case that a portion of the sales are just age of sigmar players looking to use some of the old models for their aos armies, as i know is the case with several death players who have been clamoring for tomb kings models that arent scalped to hell for a while now
at my flgs the games being played are still 70% 40k, 20% AoS, and then 10% infinity, marvel, legion, or conquest. i dont think i've seen an actual game of warhammer fantasy played in person since 2012-2013, and especially not since the other flgs that was a grog shop of greasy ogres with stringy hair, coke bottle glasses and hostile stares in their mildew smelling shop closed down 10 years ago. my guess is they all just play in their basements or more likely dont play at all and just live online complaining about new bad and shitposting.
No Skaven or Lizardmen means I don't care
Kind of hard to get a bead on it when EVERYTHING OW RELATED IS OUT OF STOCK FRICKING CONSTANTLY
A lot of the pdf factions slap it turns out. Lizard magic is fricking brutal and ogres won the only organized event so far. You're not getting other detachments or models sure, but you don't really need either it turns out since
1. It'll take who the frick knows how long for the supported factions to get their detachments anyway making them kind of irrelevant
2.Pretty much all the legacy factions have model support in AoS or are on deck to get model support in AoS
>A lot of the pdf factions slap it turns out.
I don't give a frick about how good they are. I would take the worst rules possible if it came with actual support.
>'It could take years before the supported factions all get their journals knowing how GW runs, so support is kind of irrelevant and the pdf armies will roll just fine for a good while'
>NOO I NEED SUPPORT TO PLAY THE GAAME
Idk bud, it sounds like you're just fishing for an excuse to not get off your lazy ass and play games
I want to play Chaos Dwarfs and I don't trust the quality of 3d printers.
Yeah the dubious quality of 12k printers vs ancient hand sculpt meme army...
How could hand sculpted models possibly be a bad thing?
It's going to be less detailed which means a printer will have 0 issues reproducing it.
Excuses excuses
Is that Tim the enchanter?
Some call him that.
Or recast? Seriously, just about every recast seller has the Legions of Azgorh available and often better than what Forge World made. Only thing ye would be missing are just hobgoblins but just get Fabelzel models
Is there a big reason you could not all just use 6th Ed army book PDFs in the meanwhile?
What's the point of ToW in general if you're just using 6ed rules. You could have been doing that for the last however-many years.
To own the libs by pretending to play a game that's DoA
You got the new core rulebook with the minis that are now available and want to play with your friend who don't have ToW army books available? I dunno. I didn't choose this business model. My pick would also have most likely also been to just play 6th again; or Armies Project if people wanted the weird stuff like Chaos Dwarves, Cathay and Picts.
I mostly just see this as making some official lines of minis available again, but I was never going to play matches in-store
To capitalize on nostalgia with very little effort by selling old product as new.
It's basically killed AoS. Thank G-d
>It's basically killed AoS
Source? My LGS still hosts AoS tourneys every month or so.
Selling Fast!
>product in stock
>not overproduced product like Dominion
>this is a bad thing
Cope, AoStroony!
>AoS trannies gotta steal our memes
Coping fast!
The online stores are all out. Who even goes to physical stores any more?
I've had a few games of it at this point and watched some battle reports and balance is absolutely fricked
Homie it's a classic wargame. Balance is for dumb gay turds. Go play Fortnite or something.
Pros:
>6th edition based rules
>All armies in one book
>Nostalgia overload
>No black or troony shit
>Will somewhat resurrect WHF for a while
Cons:
>Legacy factions
>Changed basing
>moronic magic lores
>Kept undesirable Nu-WH units like eagle chariots or wizard DE cavalry
>Only in English
>Linehammer
>Herohammer
I won't play it, but I have friends to play other wargames with. If I depend solely on LGS for wargaming I would play it.
>complaining about Linehammer when no tournaments or battle reports have won with it
Meme complaint
factions
That's a pro
Killing DE or Skaven can't be a pro.
>No black or troony shit
Give it some time
Honestly this is my biggest fear. A black empowered queen in charge of Bretonia, of even the Empire. A strong black single mother as a Chaos Paladin.
There's an infinite amount of posibilities.
Has anyone actually DONE line hammer?
I've seen plenty of 5x2's and on rare occasions I've seen them push up to maybe 8 at most.
The real mother frickery is skirmish formation, people are sleeping on it but it's really, really good
Linehammer is a meme thought up by people who have either A) never played or B) have only ever played with no significant terrain. If your board has enough space where your opponent can line up 20 inches uninterrupted and still maneuver, you are playing wrong.
10 wide is about as far as you can go while still being reasonable. 5 to 7 will probably be the norm.
Linehammer is going to be a whole lot more common when people learn you get a reform after FBIGO.
1. Deploy unit in reasonable formation
2. Move up field
3. Get charged by cavalry, lose, FBIGO
4. FREE REFORM, GOGO 20 WIDE
5. Combat resumes, either because they pursue or you charge
6. Deck the cavalry unit
The real issues with this are that:
> It's going to come up every combat
> There's no reason not to do it
> The length of the line depends entirely on the context, but you should always be able to gauge the longest and thus best line because you do it reactively.
The rules for reforming say you can only change your ranks and files to change formation. Does this mean i can go from a closed order formation comat line thats 5x2 to a closed order comabt line formation thats 10x1? (See pg 125)
The free reform after FBIGO is the worst part of the game
Skirmishers have always been really good until 8th nerfed it. Its just a LOT more common in TOW.
>>No black or troony shit
you morons shat your pants for a month straight over one bretonnian model possibly being a female
It's only been out 3 weeks anon, ask again in 6-12 months. Though everything has been sold out at all of my gaming stores and that seems to also be the case in lots of other places so that's a fairly healthy indication that it's doing well.
Quite accurate assessment though I'd remove Linehammer and "only in English". I think Linehammer is a meme, no one who uses terrain or you know, isn't a WAAC autist homosexual, will do the Linehammer shit. "Only in English" who cares lol. I live in a non-English speaking country and it's not a problem for us 'cos guess what, most people who play Warhammer are gigantic nerds and gigantic nerds tend to speak English very well due to being chronically online and consooming nerd media that's only in English. I'm sure it will be translated eventually.
I agree, it sucks to see the nu-GW models from 8th and stuff making a return. Hate a lot of that range. I also miss the power/dispel dice pools, not a fan of the generic "roll 2d6". The magic dice management was a great layer to older WHFB editions. Though one thing I do really like is the way combat resolution works now, I like the shifting tides of battle rather than the all or nothing "win or die" of previous editions.
Overall I still prefer 6th at the moment, but with some balance changes and making Legacy factions Core, I think it could it end up being the premier edition of WHF.
>Only in English
It's in french and german too
>Only in English
wrong
This. Only in English, despite what Anon says here, it's stopping Spanish from playing it. Sure, fan translated versions do exist, but it's not the same.
I'd assume that anyone who plays wargames has an understanding of English
Not always the case. It's a barrier for new players. Not every youngster will pay several hundred USD for an army for a game in other language.
Anon, I...
I wanna see them do a head with an afro tonsure so fricking bad it's unreal.
It wouldn't be bad if both were black. Racially heterogeneus societies do not have any sense in TOW. If were all for diversity, why don't make that black princess a black dwarf princess.
It would be just as bad, this is european culture. Black africans have no business larping as european knights just like europeans have no business larping as naked spear chucking cannibals.
you know you can just paint them white or yellow instead right?
where is my jaundice bretonnian lord GW?!
>Kept undesirable Nu-WH units like eagle chariots or wizard DE cavalry
What's wrong with eagle chariots?
Not that anon but people generally agree that the model simple doesn't make sense as the chariot part being pulled along would simple crash into the Eagle the moment the Eagle stopped. If it was something more like a howdah on a bigger bird, like say a Roc which would also fit the sea theme, that would be more sensical. Or if the Eagle was carrying the chariot bit in its claws like a basket would again make more sense. It is just that the Lothern Sky Cutter model itself is stupid.
>a howdah on a bigger bird
Would be great.
>No black or troony shit
Now has FemKnights and the new Bret book has gays and a female knight complaining about sexism in front of the lady of the lake.
Hard to say when I've never heard of anyone playing it.
Really? They're already up to two tournaments at Adepticon and one Free-play event. Last month there was only one! It's growing fast!
Lost interest when they said they aren't including all factions.
it's been out for a whole fricking month
don't even pretend you ADD-ruined zoomer morons could even speedpaint an army of skeletons in that time
>zoomies
>speedpainting
They either leave their minis unpainted or spend a week autistically detailing a single figure. There's no in between.
>leave their minis unpainted or spend a week autistically detailing a single figure. There's no in between
True. But I'm a millenial.
Game itself seems fine but I fully expect GW to continue to handle it poorly (adding things that weren't needed [another tomb kings centerpiece monster] and not updating things that do need it [tomb kings skeletons]) and kill it prematurely
I know its a little soon but I really wanna see some armies.
surely people have gotten some painted up by now, or at least some proxy models.
Just look up Warhammer Fantasy armies it's the same figures.
To early to tell
For what it’s worth it’s gotten my group the most excited we’ve been since Kill Team. We only have two AoS people since the rest of us hate the setting and designs.
So far we have:
>Beastmen (me)
>Vampire Counts & High Elves
>Wood Elves & Chorfs (the latter of which are awesome old models my buddy’s had since before the AoSPocalypse.
>Ogres
>Warriors of Chaos
>Lizardmen
>Tomb Kangz
I’m pretty stoked, since 40k just sorta died for us and it’d be nice to consistently get big 2,000 point games in with the homies.
Also, I was poor as frick when WHFB was out so it’s nice to get to actually play
I painted my pewter Krell. Now I have both a great wight king and a BSB. Still need to print out the original banner for him tho
Love them!
>Radioactive green grass basing
Very 80s looking, 10/10.
Come back in 3-5 years time, that'll be the actual test of TOW's popularity. I doubt it's a flop but I think it'll settle into the same sort of release pattern as Heresy, a couple of releases per quarter, trucking along at its own pace. Anyone who thought it was somehow going to kill AoS is actually moronic.
I just wish they went with a smaller scale. Because they didn't, I'm sticking with warmaster/minihammer.
My flgs has a big community of everyone from 12 year olds to fat greybeard historical players, the boxes have been selling well but they post pics of what's being played every night and so far there's only been 1 game of tow, which surprised me because a big chunk of the players are exactly the type to play it. Our aos group is mostly 30s-40s and we all have enough nostalgia to plan to collect an army but not one of us wants to play the game. The plastic will sell but the game's going to be dead round here.
Keep in mind that at the moment only 2 factions have been released, with a 3rd on the way but without any confirmed dates. Unless people already have an army or access to a 2nd hand one it is hard to get into the game unless you want one of the 2 available factions. The coming Greenskin release should be a good indicator of overall interest since they are a faction a lot of people like and want to play. We should also see some uptick of interest and activity come time for Dwarfs, Chaos, and Empire.
Well my point badly made was that a large chunk of my local community are exactly the sort to have played and kept their fantasy armies, so I would have expected people to dust them off and get playing with the new rules, but I've only seen one game being played that was dwarfs v beastmen a couple days after the initial release. Interestingly the zoomer kid who works there was really hyped about the game before it released, but now says he's going to play 7th instead so make of that what you will.
The models will sell initially to people like me who want that little display army for the feels, but once everyone's bought their particular flavour of memberberry I don't think the game will show up much. Part of me is tempted to get a high elf dragon army just to frick with in the occasional tournament though in between playing aos.
>Flop or not a flop
Better than Aos? Yes, because it has no blacks, transexuals or digital/AI artists.
Better than WHF? Hell no. Because it will have blacks, transexuals and AI art.
>it has no blacks
Anon... See
It's a white girl model painted in black skin. Her face features are white, and you should paint her white. It is not like that AoS strong black single mother girl on a throne, made purposedly black.
You're aware that the character you're talking about is a decrepit old woman who drains the life out of people around her, right?
It doesn't matter. She's black for agenda purposes.
Characters only count for agenda purposes when they're presentation is favorable.
I haven't checked it out yet. Can you slingshot fanatics?
for whatever ita worth the original announcement about base size increasing killed all of my interest.
but what REALLY surprised me was all the talk of people "finally being able to play again". I really cannot understand people not playing if they wanted to. I got more games of WHFB in after ET than during its lifetime.
You really shouldn't care about base sizes at all unless you're playing against that one homosexual who clown shoes their models or nitpicks about the slightest things like the autists they are.
Pretty sure that when they say that it is because the models are coming back so you aren't having to deal with a 2nd hand market, as well as having active support should bring in more players.
>finally being able to play again
This is mostly a 1st world thing, mostly because they need original models, official GW LGS and the like. They can't play with friends on a cozy cabin in the slum.
It was a great litmus test for how far you can push GWgays,
people seem to actually like it. is it just in a honeymoon phase because its new? Dont know.