What's with the sudden explosion of anger towards Starfield? I get it when the game is brand new, but it came out three months ago and people are only just now getting angry. The only thing I can figure is that the game is so long that it actually took people three months to beat and they didn't like what they found at the end of it, but that can't be right. There had to be people who pounded out the game in like a week and told everyone else what happened. So the outrage should have been at launch, not right now.
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White incels hate it for being supposedly "woke". The game is actually quite decent
What does everybody who bought it hate it for?
it's boring as hell and as dumb as a mallet
Its really boring and unlike No Mans Sky or Cyberpunk, nobody thinks Bethesda will try to fix it, they'll just abandon it.
because its baseline can't be fixed, No Man's Sky was a good platform for changes and content.
I tried to play No Man's Sky, and it's still boring.
ever since Morrowind, Bethesda has shown a very obvious and observable pattern of a decline in their games, a decline in rpg elements, writing, character design, world design, and depth
Starfield is the logical conclusion to that pattern, often times people of lower intelligence can't see where something is headed until it gets there, then it hits them like a ton of bricks and they act all surprised
this is what's happening currently with Starfield, despite anyone with half a brain being able to tell what the game was going to be like from the very first gameplay reveal
That sounds about right. Nobody is angry about Starfield though because Starfield is simply a big fat black hole of creativity. It's more accurate to say people nothing Starfield. Bethesda intentionally made the most boring sci-fi setting ever and then got surprised people didn't care for the rest of their shoddy experiences this entire time and were only putting up with it because their settings were so cool and fun to explore (and Jeremy Soule's great soundtracks). Why they made it such a boring setting with procedural planets I can't say, maybe this really was what they thought would be interesting, maybe their shitty tech was only capable of generating boring planets, I don't know but I do know nobody played Bethesda games for the boring stories, unlikable characters, clunky gameplay and outdated tech and Bethesda themselves only realized after they released the multi million game. It's a game fundamentally designed that it ended up getting made by the last people in the universe who should've made it. It's baffling.
Starfield doesn't do anything impressive, it doesn't do anything risky, Hell it doesn't do anything that would evoke any kind of emotion out of the player. The most generic game of the year, and that's a feat. There is no discussion about it, no memes to and nobody even cares enough to make porn of it. What a waste.
>It's a game fundamentally designed that it ended up getting made by the last people in the universe who should've made it. It's baffling.
I wrote this in a really stupid way woops. Probably should be something more like "it's a game fundamentally designed in ways that go against Bethesda's strengths as a game developer" or something
the game was conceptualize around when no mans sky and scam citizen were promising similar things.
they just made every single wrong choice wrong for it. imagine if it was just no man's sky but with a bethesda game on top. pick your ship, shoot through the star, land somewhere interesting and explore to find cool loot. make the universe and the planets small so traveling through them isn't a chore and you can easily bump into things.
but they wanted a gorillion planets to impress normalgays and just slapped the laziest procgen ever over bland gameplay. if procgen is a fundamental part of your game the gameplay need to be good and fun on its own
Ironic.
>imagine if it was just no man's sky but with a bethesda game on top
It's very possible this was the original idea for the game but their shitty tech couldn't handle it. For frick's sake, I don't mean to be that guy who harps on about Bethesda's terrible engine but they're using blue noise to generate stuff on planets. Even Minecraft doesn't use noise anymore and Mojang isn't exactly known for having lots of competent programmers
>Starfield is the logical conclusion to that pattern, often times people of lower intelligence can't see where something is headed until it gets there, then it hits them like a ton of bricks and they act all surprised
You're right about the decline, but at least game like Fallout 4 despite being a looter shooter and not an RPG, it was FUN. That's what shocked me the most, I would be fine if Starfield were like Fallout 4
>it was FUN.
What was fun about it for you?
It's more real RPG than FO4, but that's not saying much. It's the best game at launch they've released in over 10 years, but it's too little too late. Most times you walk in a straight line to the compass marker and loot some uninteresting shit or crafting resource.
I created a character with the Professor class, with the idea of exploring new worlds and documenting my findings. You scan planets and the map tells you the fauna, flora and resources when you're there... BUT THERE'S NO CODEX FOR THE SHIT YOU FOUND. You're in your outpost, you need some resource you KNOW you've seen before, but on which planet? Hope you noted it down on your notepad. Want to build an outpost on a planet with a lush environment? Better check Google because the game isn't telling you the ones you already found.
I'm only giving this another shot when they add survival mode. The amount of medication and ailments they added could have made the game a lot more interesting, but they pussied out and removed it at the last minute. homosexuals.
myself and many other anons here didn't play FO4 because we saw it looked shit
You didn't miss much. In fact, you didn't miss anything at all. FO4 is effectively a looter-shooter, but for that you already have Borderlands 2
>inb4 memelands
I only pirated it to play FROST, it's alright.
>I created a character with the Professor class, with the idea of exploring new worlds and documenting my findings.
Imagine wanting to role play in an RPG
Most of the complaints stems from the following:
1. Hate it because of wokeness
2. Hate it because of bugs and performance issues
3. Hate it because it's boring to me
4. Hate it because it's not on PlayStation
5. Hate it because a youtuber told me to hate it
6. Don't really hate it, just want to see the ratings go down for teh lulz
its the least woke western AAA game on the market, just barely scraping the line where people would call it "problematic"
This is the modern day internet, even very small snippets of wokeness is enough to set people off. Everyone is ultra sensitive to things.
everyone's been struggle snuggled hard by the industry so everywhere they sit it sores and stings, basically
you can buy it, review it, and refund it. after that came out haters have been negative review bombing it. you also get steam points for writing negative reviews, cuz losers throw rewards at em
>Review bombing is when someone says they don't like a a game
market research question
I pirated it but I disliked it because the space part of the space game is so pointless as to be optional.
The spam bots seem to be broken.
What do the non-White incels hate it for?
Because its not on PlayStation
because it sucks
>criticize anything ever
>LMAO U INCEL!!!
is this the best the shillbots can come up with?
>being this defensive
Incel spotted
>he replied
replying to me = you are more defensive = you are the incel
check.
mate.
>"hurr durr no u!!!"
You were triggered enough to reply to my post FIRST.
Case closed.
>hours later he was fuming so fricking bad he replied this
LMFAO
>70% of npcs are women
>somehow this civ colonized multiple planets
yep totally makes sense
SAAR STARFIELD GOOD YOU BLOODY b***h
the mind of a mentally ill leftist everyone. These NPCs are incapable of understanding why something is bad just because the company is a diversity hire gayfest
You stupid fricking pajeets, only one of you is supposed to post
I miss good bait, it's all so boring now.
White incels hate it for being supposedly "woke". The game is actually quite decent
Videogames suck, I want a gf. God is torturing me in hell, how about you?
White incels hate it for being supposedly "woke". The game is actually quite decent
White incels hate it for being supposedly "woke". The game is actually quite decent
Buyers remorse hitting the paypiggies.
Buyers remorse doesn't hit paypigs. They are physically incapable of having buyers remorse. Also of you buy something and ever have buyers remorse youre probably a fricking moron that impulse buys shit
Thanks to steam refunds I don't ever have remorse anymore - I simply try before keeping or not anything
Bethesda doesn't get their honeymoon phase with the players anymore.
You just know TES VI will be procgen
I don’t think so Bethesda learns from 1(one) singular mistake not to repeat and doesn’t do it in the next game I think procedural generation will be the thing theearn not to do again
Maybe but they did get real frickin' close to having a voiced protagonist for starfield after fo4.
They didn't learn from the paid mods incident.
I guess 90% of video game consumers turned gay this year then
They will use pro gen the same way the did it with Skyrim. Not as much as Daggerfall or Oblivion.
>make empty world
>but it's infinitely repeating
why do game devs think this is a good thing
They didn't make a good game.
Next time they should just make a good game.
Probably a lot of people waited for the Black Friday sale. Also maybe some kind of "give it a chance to see if they'll fix it" mentality.
Main issue with the game besides the shitty Star Ocean 3 ending is the sense of exploration from Skyrim and Fallout 4 is missing. You can't really wander and discover something because any place that isn't a set location is a procedurally generated wasteland full of the same dozen different pirate bases spaced 3km apart from each other.
In earlier games I could pretend to ignore fast travel. Here it's an integral part of the experience.
Skyrim anniversary edition includes a survival mode that disables fast travel even. I don't know how Bethesda lost so much quality so quickly.
its even more than that, its inevitable, everything is instanced, so the only way "out" is fast travel, which includes getting in your ship, which is just fast travel with a cutscene.
i dont know a single actual human being that doesnt fast travel every chance they get in a video game unless it's a literal walking sim, this feels like a made up complaint
Look I use fast travel a lot but I still enjoy exploring and shit If I feel like I should just spam fast travel to the next location instead of wasting my time exploring their is a problem. Seriously starfield is a game that could be vastly improved by removing 90% of world because the game is mostly empty space with nothing in it.
On top of that, none of the side systems are worth anything. Settlements are pointless since you can just buy any resources needed. Ship design is pointless because space combat is barely worth mentioning. Crafting is pointless because you can't craft weapons and you'll probably find a gun better than the one you just modified in the next dungeon. Cooking is pointless because food only restores 5hp and gives a 5 minute miniscule buff.
It really boggles the mind doesn't it. How on earth did all of this even happen, when they've got their own games that they could take inspiration from? Almost seems ilke they don't know why their games worked in the past and they've just been winging it.
it baffles me they made crafting so much worse when it worked in fallout 4.
every mechanic in starfield is like they took stuff from the previous games and twisted it to be pointless, convoluted and annoying.
take crafting. you need so many different materials and perks that it's impossible to remember what and all the choices end up being just stat increase.
compare skyrim instead: get the related smithing perk, slap the related ingot on your sword and get a damage boost. simple, efficient and doesn't feel like shit to find a better weapon because you didn't waste so much time and effort and by the end you can craft shit so busted any other reward is pointless
Angry sonygays because Black personMan2 lost tga.
Rent free
Maybe a lot of people got it gifted for Christmas, gave it a try and hated it.
Somebody is angry cause their garbage didn't win a single award and now they have to face the reality that they wasted their money.
it's also third bethesda game after fallout 4 and 76 to get completely snubbed by awards
And also the 9th year in a row without a single Xbox GOTY nomination.
Couldn't care less about that biased garbage, but what are you on about? Psychonauts 2 and Deathloop in 2021. Outer Worlds in 2019.
>Fallout 4
>snubbed by awards
No? It won 8 awards and the VR adaptation won 1.
You do realize that Geoff's award show is simply the loudest, right?
White incels hate it for being supposedly "woke". The game is actually quite decent
Death to all procgen slop. Every single procgen slop deserves overwhelmingly negative rating.
>37% user rating
Christ. Is it that bad? I heard about the empty procedurally generated planets but people were shilling No Man's Sky as well.
let me put it this way: 76 is miles better and more worth your money.
starfield is a baffling game, it's like they actively designed so every mechanic fought against eachother. exploration for its own sake doesn't exist, it's all procgen shit. exploration for rewards is just as worthless because you will see the same fricking ebemy base (down to mob and loot placement). every mechanic is equally convoluted and pointless and it features what is probably one of the worst level up system in a bethesda game.
and the lore, world and characters are forgettable, overly safe and bland.
it's a bethesda game with no exploration, no interesting loot and no interesting lore. even 76 managed to have some of that
>76 is miles better and more worth your money
jesus christ
Even people with low expectations thought it could be atleast fallout 4 in space but it’s much shittier than that.
A lot of people were disappointed with fallout 4, so they get something worse and are like ok what the actual frick. Then to the people that did like fallout 4 it’s still a disappointment. The only people who could like this shit have probably never played a Bethesda game, even the shitty ones. 76 is probably better than starfield
>A lot of people were disappointed with fallout 4
i wasn't, and obviously the game isn't made for people who were so all this crying and hollering at the game is just pointless waste of time, bethesda's not going to stop making bethesda games no matter what.
People who said empty planets are the problem did not play the game. The real problem is there are human structure and abandoned outpost fukcing every where in an isolated planet. This kill immersion
At this point they should reskin Skyrim mak AI dialogue and call it a day
Because it's a subpar game and the honeymoon period is over.
>was outdated a decade ago
I hate this mindset as games a decade ago are miles ahead of the creatively bankrupt slop shoved down our throats nowadays
You're right and it's a shitty title because the whole video is about how Starfield is shit because it didn't stick with the decade old formula.
even bethdrones have taken their rose tinted glasses off at this point and realized how ass the game is
Every Starfield hate thread;
>same Screencap in the same format, same subject, same pointless comment
>Back to back Circlejerk posts with the same insulting posting style to shit on the game
>One guy pretending to be a bot defending Starfield
>Random mention of BG3
>Random attack on Microsoft
>thread made almost every 3 to 5 hours now
I don't even know what you're trying to accomplish doing all this and spamming for a average game on a board known for being contrarian, but this is getting TheDude/Sex Genie tier ridiculous in your method of shitposting.
Pissing on a corpse is fun
>Tortanic tier response
Are sure you just not mentally ill?
Not to sane people.
The user score is abysmal on Steam and that's the closest you can get to genuine criticism of people who played the game. Are people supposed to not notice
there are people with 200+ hours giving negetive reviews on steam. its genuinely a bad fricking game dude.
Thats not real criticism, nor does it justify you morons spamming the board with these same garbage IQ killing threads with the same posters circle jerking themselves with the same fricking NPC "Game is bad" tier shit already plaguing every other videogame thread.
nice try todd. your game is shit. go shill your loading screen simulator somewhere else homosexual.
without fail, no real response or reason, just idiotic rhetoric, insults, or snarky comebacks. Still does not explain the reason for the ridiculous rabid shitposting for a game everyone knows is "bad".
People enjoy schadenfreude. It's not particularly complicated. I'm sure there's people using them to vent their frustration and/or anger about the game and/or bethesda as well.
>you can't call a shit game shit because.... YOU JUST CANT OKAY????
i accept your concession.
>Thats not real criticism
Seems like every criticism is not real criticism with Star Trannies
Sad that these people spend more than 4 hours on a game they don't like, then continue to play for 200+ hrs and then post a negative review.
>play for 4 hours and stop
>"NO YOU DIDN'T PLAY ENOUGH TO GIVE IT A NEGATIVE REVIEW"
>play for 200 hours
>"NO YOU PLAYED TOO MUCH TO GIVE IT A NEGATIVE REVIEW"
based moron
this anon
hit the nail. Ganker criticism of the game is just "game is bad wah wah" coping salted with the latest wave of complaints they got from ecelebs that made a video for them because all they want is to hear "game is bad"
but because they never played the game all their complaints amount to what the eceleb tells them aka. not their own complaints it amounts to "wah game is bad wah, validate me plx"
Concession accepted homosexual. Don’t worry I played the game and it was boring as frick. Get btfo moron.
kinda funny considering their CA's were making damage control posts saying that people couldn't call the game boring because real astronauts weren't bored when they actually went into outer space.
What else is new? this is Ganker where people hate popular good games.
Expect to see the same amount of bots and reposted shit for years to come for Starfield since people are really seething at how successful the game was.
Thanks for the input. It'll go in the same place bethesda puts the feedback they get for their games.
>This piece of shit is worth defending because it's on Xbox only
No kidding.
50% of the internet posts are made by bots, so that would explain why you see the same threads with the same replies and images over and over again
Look at pic related with Totk for example, overall on Ganker is worse because you have bots/shills, discord/reddit raids, twitter subhumans, e celebs gays etc, so you have all the garbage and subhumans in one place
Are you nervous?
I love bethesda games, prior to Fallout 4 and I simply hope shitstorm will be a wakeup call for them. The more criticism, the better the chances they reform. I know TES6 will probably be shit, but a man can dream
It's all bragging about their own reviewbomb raid campaign. Instead of playing videogames, they treat platforms and corporations as sports teams and back their team as if it were a stock market investment they NEED to come out on top so they can make money.
>sudden
Everyone's called it shit since day 1
Youtubers made video essays about it. Dont worry, they'll make some video essays on how the game is fixed and good in a few years and people will give it positive reviews.
>marketing push for christmas sales spike and to trend positive game discussion online
cringe, no one talks like this
I uninstalled it after 30h. Starfield is a Bethesda game but with no exploration, the quests are shit and barebones universe. And the worst thing is that I spent like 80€ to play it early only to drop it before the official release.
Anyone who gave Bethesda money after Fallout 4 and Fallout 76 uniornically deserve to get cucked.
You are like white women who go crawling to their black boyfriend after the black eye. You are just enabling their shitty behaviour at this point.
With things like these you have to wait for all the copium to wear off and the marketers to frick off. Once it finally becomes permissible to shit on the game everyone starts being honest. It's like how people tried to pretend the GoT ending wasn't shit immediately afterwards but now everyone agrees it was shit
Ganker is just filled with braindead troony slop consumers who hate any games that dare defy the norms like Starfield. What else is new?
what norms did Starfield defy?
>sudden
Shut the frick up homosexual
Black volcels hate it for being supposedly "bixnood". The game is actually quite shit
its not really "sudden" its just that there are no more positive reviews.
In fact, there are actually less negative reviews for starfield compared to launch.
Emil is going to be let go a little after new years. I have a feeling Bethesda employees were supposed to be radio silent after the steam dev responses but emil screwed up by making the Twitter rant
Yup but couldn't stay quiet because 99% of criticism was of stuff aimed ar him or stuff he was responsible for
I don’t suppose you guys have any notable quotables from Pagliarulo, do you? I hope he read something I wrote about him here.
A break down of his shitty presentation he did a few years ago
https://old.reddit.com/r/Fallout/comments/5t6d6m/until_bethesda_firesrelocates_emil_pagliarulo_do/
Recent Twitter rant
https://old.reddit.com/r/Starfield/comments/18hlm0j/emil_pagliarulo_responds_to_recent_backlash/
the absolute state.
>nobody sets out to make a bad game
>willfully hires incompetent pajeet codemonkeys
Could've fooled me.
>Games are hard to make so the quality of a game should be irrelevant to its reception
Isn’t this argument instantly dismantled by the existence of good games? You know, games that managed to both be made by muh hardworking devs and also managed to be enjoyable to play?
>Isn’t this argument instantly dismantled by the existence of good games?
Every excuse Bethesda makes can be easily dismantled by the existence of good games and competent developers. CRPG not selling well? BG3. Engine issues? Apex Legends was made from the Source engine. Bethesda is just incompetent, uncreative, and lazy.
This guy is the head writer?
Wow
Worst, he was the only credited writer for the whole game, meaning he wrote 99% of that crap.
It's more like Bethesda works in a stupid way where random designers just make whatever quest they want. That's why the writing quality is all over the damn place.
He's right, Ganker is especially bad at leveling blame correctly. It's all just half-assed guesses at who did what and why.
For instance: What occurred to make the First Contact quest suck as much as it does? Who wrote it? We can see that it is shit but not what process resulted in it being shit.
It does not matter who wrote it. It matters that QA/Todd/Playesters/Shareholders, etc all saw it and said 'oh yeah this is fine' and shipped it for 60 dollars. Blaming the writer or quest designer popping a cyst on a gangrenous limb. It does nothing.
>It matters that QA/Todd/Playesters/Shareholders, etc all saw it and said 'oh yeah this is fine'
But is that actually what happened? Do you know for sure? What's your experience? Again, all half-assed assumptions.
Well, anon, if they have 0 QA then that in itself means they should shut down the whole thing. Again, you're looking for symptoms in a rotting corpse.
This is business 101. Nothing gets done without QA.
Shut the frick up Black person
Who the frick CARES what occurred you dumb butthole it happened and Pagliarulo was ultimately responsible.
These morons trying to sound just a little bit smarter lmao.
>don’t blame the lead writer for the shit story
Yah ok go frick yourselves
He made the Elder Scrolls IV: Dark Brotherhood questline
The quest line that railroads you into following a script? Yeah, that adds up.
Yeah but he made the Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion Dark Brotherhood questline
It was a thrill ride but it had some gaping fricking plot holes. It was a fun addition and the uniqueness made it memorable but it was not good writing.
We know that your writing sucks, we don't need to work at Bethesda to know that
>you can't criticize x if you aren't a professional / have a degree in x field.
Why does this fallacy always trap midwits? I've seen the same arguments all the way back to 2008.
It’s just an excuse used by homosexuals who KNOW they’ve been btfo.
he's not wrong. its infinitely harder to actually be a writer for games than to be an armchair writer that doesnt have to deal with any of the realities associated, the claims some people make are outright preposterously stupid like "why dont they just add more writing duhh"
Dude, Emil's writing is always fricking hot trash.
When Starfield was first announced, this was my face:
When I learned Emil was the lead writer, again:
He's the worst thing about Bethesda.
(you)
Fug. What I meant was:
When Starfield was first announced, this was my face: :O
When I learned Emil was the lead writer, again: 🙁
Do not use emojis on Ganker. This is an imageboard. Ten years ago you would have been banned for three days for this.
Stop
The guy refuse to use something as simple as design documents because he's too lazy to maintain it despite it being his job, he's as incompetent as it get and certainly has no leg to stand on when he openly admit that he can't do the bare minimum.
>more armchairism
good example of Ganker discussions, you look at my post, ignore its point, just to prove the point
It's hard to do literally every single profession in existence, but it's ALWAYS some hack writers, who recoil and shrink back and default to this moronic non-argument. It's never doctors, engineers, carpenters who say to their client "y-you try d-do it!" It's never anyone, who actually possesses a skill he spent years honing. It's always talentless and incompetent writers, who know well they are a product of nepotism and they've been found out.
>emil
>nepotism
he's a senior designer in some of the biggest genre definers, you morons just want a convenient scapegoat.
he was right.
>he's a senior designer in some of the biggest genre definers
You have to be trolling. Even the most loyal bethesdadrones know, writing is the weakest part of every bethesda game and their appeal has absolutely nothing to do with anything Emils is responsible for. Every single aspect of the work he's done for BGS games is universally criticised. Also
>no argument against anything said in the post
Concession accepted yada yada yada
he worked on thief
explai nepotism
also, dark brotherhood every1 loves it
>muh nepotism
scapegoating
>every1 loves it
The initial quests before the purge have no overarching story and hinge upon the bonus objective and the streamlined path to get to it. Not the actual writing. The actual writing of the quest with the traitor you can identify by yourself but never expose until he spergs out by himself is fricking garbage. They leave clues for you to realize you are killing Brotherhood members but never act on them because your character is intended to be moronic until the end. Absolutely Emil's handy work indeed.
>b-but what about that one time from 20 years ago
Are you pretending to be moronic or what? His last 15 years worth of work are nothing, but universally despised turds. The fact that all you have to say is reach so long back into the past is all you need to know.
>"let's keep that guy who does shit job for a decade because uuuhhh"
>not nepotism =)
>but universally despised turds.
F3, FO4, Skyrim, Oblivion are beloved games and have had a massive influence on the industry.
All made billions. All designed by him.
>F3, FO4, Skyrim, Oblivion are beloved games
And not a single one of the for writing
who gives a shit about writing? now explain what it has to do with nepotism when he personally is in responsibility for creating some of the most influential and successful gaming IPs in existence.
>discuss the work of the lead writer
>who gives a shit about writing?
So you don't even disagree.
nta but Fallout is not even Todd's original. The only reason why the franchise is even good is because it's literally being carried but the actual original creators of the IP. Same for TES. Starfield is the only truly original creation and you can tell it's uninspired and boring.
bethesda is the only reason fallout is a household name. if it was left up to interplay it would have ended up like mass effect after the streak of disasters which was the late interplay era fallout.
>bethesda is the only reason fallout is a household name
and they're also going to be the reason why the IP goes to shit. You can literally already see how stagnant FO is. Bethesda really has nothing interesting besides showing Nuka Cola or power armor on the front page for the millionth time.
Fallout made Bethesda. Without Fallout, Bethesda would be nothing.
>fallout extreme
>fallout bos2
nah the IP was literally saved by bethesda
The 150k fans of the first one and 175k fans of the second may be passionate but they are irrelevant.
Bethesda made Fallout what it is and not the other way round.
Before Bethesda it was just not loved enough to suurvive
What is really funny is how some developers are disconnected from the realities of their players, and yet speak with complete authority.
>I don't complain because I can understand the feeling of other fellow dev
The people who are passionate about their hobby are often over-critical about their hobby.
Evne reddit knows this guy's writing is especially awful since Fallout 4, it's over for Bethesda.
>words words words words words words words words
SHUT UP
It's pretty clear that Todd has been trying to groom Emil to be his successor once he leaves after ES6, so if there's even a discussion of letting him go, Todd's going to fight it.
>that negative spike after the launch hype wears off
holy shit lmao
Youtubers blowing every little detail that happens out of proportion and covering things 3 weeks late. For example I predict Yong will have a video next week about Emil having a meltdown on twitter and drone on about for 10 minutes
If you went by these videos it would seem the developers are attacking fans when it was just some Indian on Steam who was mostly definitely fired by now for melt downing himself, or someone trying to sabotage the company like Customer Support seemed to do after the 76 launch
With how Bethesda games operate and most people playing with mods it wouldn't surprise me if their customer support team had a special hatred for them
Im glad people are shitting on Emil and asking him to be fired. Man is total shit at writing RPGs and he needs to be gone if you want bethesda's RPGs to have a story that's good enough to pander to IQ more than lukewarm.
It's sickening how Starfield has some of the best writing i've seen in a RPG in certain quests but it's all shat on by Emil's deluge of garbage mediocrity built from nothing but the mass consumption of the blandest mainstream media. Him being gone would be great for everyone.
starfield is proof that no design document is moronic for games this big. it may work in smaller team of passionate people but not in 200 million dollar titans.
starfield is bad and it doesn't even have an ip good enough to make fans turn a blind eye.
starfield is the product of complacency ballooning into nothingness
from what i heard to this day bethesda has a mentality of "well this worked for us in the 90s so why wouldn't it work anymore". that might have worked for daggerfall with its budget of 2 pounds of cheese but it's not gonna work for a multi-million game that is trying to establish a new successful xbox IP
Daggerfall nearly bankrupted Bethesda, so your logic doesn't even make sense.
No, what nearly bankrupted them was redguard and battlespire.
Pretty sure the almost bankruptcy came after Daggerfall
>but it's all shat on by Emil's deluge of garbage mediocrity built from nothing but the mass consumption of the blandest mainstream media
I imagine if he were to read this
Bethesda has been responding to negative reviews on steam trying to defend starfield flaws and that people should consider how much effort it takes to make a videogame, so players decided to bomb the steam page with negative reviews.
I don't understand why they didn't just stfu and fixed their game instead.
It reeks of hubris to me. They don't want to admit that they have been dethroned a long time ago.
pls come to my house, woman
maybe they should just make a good game
I still remember the goodwill fans had towards them after morrowind and how hopeful we all were about oblivion. The game was a minor disappointment but still great. Ganker hates on fallout 3 but that was a great game too, at the time. I feel like they were out of touch with what fans enjoy in their games when they started adopting the "perfection is when there is nothing left to take away" philosophy. I think they are far too gone now but hope the next elder scrolls is decent
buyer's remorse sinks in after you can no longer get attention on reddit by saying 'yeah hurr it's actually good you're all just stupid'
I've never played a game in my 30 years of living on this planet that felt more like it was produced by AI than Starfield. And I've played thousands upon thousands of games.
Bethesda deserved a Cyberpunk tier shitstorm except 50x as bad. It is infuriating that nobody gave a shit and the game just faded into nothingness and Bethesda sweeps it under the rug like they did Fallout 76. This studio needs to be dissolved.
Same exact wavelength here, anon. I tried it via Game Pass and felt basically the same way that you do about it and Bethesda. I felt insulted by what I was playing and as if I was watching the entire industry as a whole suffer while I did so. I also think that in a just world that Bethesda would have been dissolved at this point.
well put. pretty much sums up how most players and fans felt when playing this game. the worst part was how hyped up this game was too. people were claiming this was going to be the goty and that the game would be replayable for years just like skyrim.
And then they have the balls to parade trailers with screens full of 10/10 scores from nobody reviewers, all paid for. Literally just completely ignoring all criticism and basically laughing in people's faces. And the worst part is, they'll get away with it, too. Because haha le todd meme he's such a liar it's so funny, and when TESVI comes out, everyone will do this all over again, and when it turns out to be a dumbed down, generic mess, much worse than their previous game, as has happened with their last 5 games or so, people will act surprised and defend it to the grave saying it's n-not that bad.
Nah. No point in it being multiplayer, the shooting and combat feel floaty, and quests are all instanced. It's shit. It's fallout 4 without any real locations or questlines and the combat is a laggy mess.
Isn't 76 decent by now? I only played about 10 hours or so of it 2 years ago and at least had more fun with it than 4
I played it on game pass and enjoyed the time I spent with it.It starts to become quite grindy once you hit end game but then you can just stop play.
If you like fallout 4 you will most likely have a decent time with 76.
You've probably played like 5 games. Procgen isn't some rare hidden technique, not even for Bethesda.
> produced by AI
It literally was kek, pic related
It's mainly because of youtube videos.
Normaloids just function that way.
As for the reason Starfield failed, it's been discussed ad nauseam.
The issue is that it's boring. Why is it boring? Because the world, lore, characters, etc. are bland, unimaginative and lack any kind of personality or identity.
This is the best BGS game stability-wise and despite what some youtubers may say Bethesda gameplay isn't "outdated" as you can see from the fact that prior BGS games like Skyrim or Fallout 4 are still being played and have a higher player count than Starfield. The problem with this game is that it just isn't interesting to explore.
This is correct.
It is also why Cyberpunk got seen by so many people as a joke even though on release, it was better than 99% of the slop that comes out nowadays. People unironically just follow twitch streamers and youtubers, nobody forms their own opinions anymore. That is not hyperbole, the actual amount of people who try things out for themselves and make their own opinions are an incredibly small minority. Even in Ganker, almost every post you see here is some moronic youtuber's meme video being parroted or some article being pushed and everyone just going along with it, falseflagging and engaging in moronic shitflinging instead of discussing the game. It's just the social media era, basically makes discussing vidya online impossible.
Trendy thing until next shiny object distracts the unwashed masses to obsess over in some way.
You posted this exact same thread yesterday. Claiming the hate was "sudden" when it's been constant since the early access period.
Recent reviews were not mostly negative in early access. They were largely positive.
they weren't thinking objectively. they were thinking 'wheee! a new BGS game; it's kinda jank right now but it'll be great with mods!'
but the more one thinks about sirfailed, the more it comes apart at the seams.
indeed, this game was made for people who don't think at all.
>patches rolling out slowly, compare it to shit like BG3
>Bethesda replying to EVERY FRICKING NEGATIVE REVIEW
>those replies are shit as well
>bandwagoning
>sales = more people added to to mix
>more people = more reviews, more online presence on other media
All that has synergetic effect
>Bethesda replying to EVERY FRICKING NEGATIVE REVIEW
That was hilarious, sad that they stopped
It was just responses made with chat GPT,which made it even funnier
Why even bother then
The real answer is: a lot of video essayists and ecelebs started saying the game is bad. And people are sheep who follow whatever the popular opinion is.
This is also the same reason why the game had a positive reception when it launched and for more than a month.
People accepted that the game is le good so they said it was good. Now the opinion is that the game is le bad and they say that it is bad.
If it was a broken game on release then it would have been a different story. Negative reviews would have started propping up in the first week, like Cyberpunk.
The reality is Starfield is a boring average game. It's not objectively bad and whoever says that never played a truly awful game. It's not a good game either because it does not excel in anything.
I can’t help but think of just how many resources the developers of Starfield had at their disposal when developing it, and I feel pretty comfortable calling it a legitimately bad game in light of that. Even disregarding that, I honestly don’t agree that the game is average. I’d argue the average video game is somewhat fun and engaging.
>average game
You sound like a moron who thinks he's smart. The game being polished and high-budget doesn't make it good. It being big doesn't make it good. There are many games that come out nowadays that are average. Your average yearly CoDs, Spidermans, most fighting games, etc. They're shovelware. They're safe, they don't do anything new, but they're not particularly bad, either. They're just there.
Starfield is bad. Objectively. It's way behind tech-wise, it's written horrendously, the gameplay loop is repetitive, there are zero memorable characters or locations, etc. None of this is 'average'. It's bad. It would be bad if it was made by an indie dev, and it is ESPECIALLY bad when it's made by one of the biggest developers around.
Where the frick were you that anyone was saying good shit about this game?
Frick off c**t
boring and average is bad, moron, I want fun, good games.
>It's not objectively bad and whoever says that never played a truly awful game.
tru
>It's not a good game either because it does not excel in anything.
na, its a great bethesda game.
>trying to gaslight all the anons who have been saying it was going to be shit months before it launched only to hounded by a hord of literal ESL shills
frick off c**t
>Lied about every major feature up to release date
>"Why are people mad about it?"
Don't be surprised if you keep seeing that for the next month or so. They are fricking desperate to keep up a public appearance even though they made a lot of money initially.
>it's going to be shit because black people and women exist and you're an ESL SHIIIIIIIIIILL if you insult my intellectual and not at all moronic metrics for game quality
Total election tourist death.
I pirated it and still feel scammed. It is the most boring sci-fi game ever. It is actually anti-interesting. Space is irrelevant, making ships irrelevant. All the loot is boring. Quests range from boring to cringe. The 'cities' are shit. Outside of them it's even worse, the same caves and labs in 1000 planets. Melee sucks. The UI is shit.
Jesus christ steam makes it almost impossible to find the review section. You need to press on the store tab after selecting the game from your library.
Thank frick I claimed this piece of trash for free my buying a GPU with the deluxe edition, activating the key and returning the GPU
That’s too much work to get Shartflop you’re not as cool as you think you are because at the end of the day you still played the game
You press the blue review letters on the store page at the top, not hidden at all. Christ you insufferable morons just needs a fricking reason to complain.
these people who don't like poopy arse frickers? they wish they were arse frickers
White incels hate it for being supposedly "woke". The game is actually quite decent
Good morning sir.
Daily reminder that Bethesda tried to justify all planets being barren rocks with no aliens as "realistic" and "nasapunk" yet the same fricking game also has space gods, timeline hopping and being a literal Space Dragonborn
It's such a bizarre excuse. There's literal space magic in the game yet they insist it's a hard sci-fi setting.
Mod for Fallout 4 looks better, than Starfield
This looks interesting. Might play when it's out
I'm glad normalgays are waking up and have stopped giving Bethesda a pass for their lazy work.
>Bethesda
*Microsoft
People are just sheep who follow the latest eceleb opinions. You can literally pirate the game and try it yourself and it's nowhere near as bad as people claim. Infact it's a good game that make some missteps but still has a lot of heart and soul put into the game.
People will claim it's one of those hidden gems a few years later once youtubers make some videos of it.
good morning
You’re so enlightened bro. Yah it’s getting bad reception because people are making videos, and not because it’s been played by millions of people who have given it middling praise at best. Microsoft was smart not to allow Gamepass users to leave reviews. Game is shit and it’s gonna be shit in a couple of years regardless if some homosexual making a video saying it was secretly good.
Sorry svveatie but youtubers have the power to alter the literal cotton of reality
Xbox vs Sony/BG3 war basically.
BEST ROBBARI
i voted it for the most innovative gameplay steam award. i wonder what people's reaction to it will be when it wins
Starfield was reviewed so high because it's the ultimate howait man's game
It makes all the nonwhites go "why do white people play the starfield, what's in there?"
I'd rather replay Master of Orion, which is probably the most boring space game existed before 2023, than play Starfield.
t. white
>[Flirt] press X to suck space explorer Black person dick
>yes ma'am stronk woman of colour
>girlboss slay
You want breasts and hot women?
You get manjaws and ugly dykes/transafgayot looking shits.
You want to live out your space ranger fantasy in the low sec wild west of space frontiers?
Frick you [Flirt]press X to get fricked in the ass by the homosexual space cowboy.
And dont even mention the bootleg cyberpunk for poorgays...
Or loading screen spaceship and generic dreugr infested derelict research stations and space dragonborn temples and shouts.
calling a white mans game is like calling some USA california shithole city a white city.
>What's with the sudden explosion of anger towards Starfield?
>"sudden"
You really don't get, do you?
did Bethesda intentionally make all the NPCs into subhuman aboriginals or was it a freudian slip
The NPCs are procedurally generated
All these screenshot collages of the same NPC are one guy autistically following the ugliest NPC they find around
>makes most of the non-white crowd NPCs in the game killable
>makes most of the primary NPCs essential
>he created the perfect game to live your racist fantasies in
he's a sick lil' puppy and I love him for it
>randomly generate NPCs with no weighing
>1 white skin color
>30 black skin colors
Bethesda is actually soo fukcing lazy they couldn't be bothered to implement woke shit and did it by accident
>Makes a game with ugly Black folk
>Instead of laughing at the ugly Black folk youre busy crying that theres ugly Black folk
For me, it's the fact that everyone is frowning. If you look at your player character they look depressed and very unappealing.
That picture is a perfect example of horseshow theory. Bethesda bent over backwards to make Starfield as woke as inclusive as possible, and this was the result. If I didn't know about Starfield, I'd think this was made by white supremacists to mock black people.
>background characters in a city don't look like cumbrain supermodels therefore GAME BAD
They look worse than the average SAR tbh. Their character randomized was set to moronic. I guess in the future everyone gets an extra chromosome
Ugly people exist, anon. You don't even need to leave the basement to find that out. Just look in the mirror.
Stop it with the advertisement threads. Yes yes, people have a few days off and might be persuaded to try out the game, we get it.
But it's quite enough now, thank you.
>h-hey hey fellow aryan nazi chads! uhh if you don't like this slop you're a SHITSKIN
Good tactic Pajeetsoft-kun. Almost as good as spamming porn to derail the thread
A small minority of israelites dislike the game because it is not made for them.
Starfield is pro christian values, which makes the israelite angry.
Starfield was made by Heterosexual Males for Heterosexual Males, don't worry most of you will never get it
>want to do nothing but make a game for the white man in a non-white industry
>the masses reject you
>starfield becomes a success anyway
>the Black person and the israelite are beside oneselves
There is still hope.
>people are only just now getting angry
where were you for the last three months? people were rightfully angry with starfields abysmal quality from day 1
NPCs are slow to realize they are eating shit.
The game wasn't very good.
What happens in Starfield when you reach the "edge of the map"? What's the justification you can't traverse the entire planets? Mountains? Mystery death fog? I am actually curious, I don't mind it because obviously you can't make planets in a video game but none of the maps look large. There does need to be a good justification if each planet doesn't have more than like a 4 square km patch you can walk on.
The game tells you to frick off back to your ship in an info box
Why? Why do I have to go back to the ship? Why can't I fly to the other side of the planet and walk around there?
Do you mean I CAN fly to infinite instances on one planet?
Because the ship is the anchor for the world map you're on in procedurally generated areas, and yeah, you can reroll the RNG as often as you want, there still won't be anything to find. That's why the game fricking sucks.
and there's an infinite number of explorable areas, they're just full of repetitious shit
The planets mainly exist as locales to survey for survey data and experience as well as to hunt down specific minerals unique to the chunk. I could however vision them having "regions" of the planet that act as the same kind of logical boundaries as individual chunks do so in all honestly it's most likely a measure to ensure the map remains performant.
why would you want to traverse planets in the first place? what do you expect to find? oh wow you can go to that mountain over there! cool!
>go to mountain and it's...just a mountain
yeah so fun!1!!!11
>why do white people climb the mountain
>what's up there
you wouldn't get it.
don't advertise planet traversal if you don't want people to complain about shitty planet traversal
there were threads on v describing EXACTLY what this game would be like over a year ago. everyone with 100+ iq who was familiar with bethesda knew what was going to happen. if you were even considering buying it still you got what you deserved
>the sudden explosion
sudden my ass. people are shitting on the game since day 1
>sudden
It’s a really bad game.
Perfect for the collapsed Xbox console brand.
sudden?
>this is what Emil used to look like
His writing has gotten progressively worse the more weight he loses. He looks like he has AIDS now
Asmongolds brother
Now I know why he has that same golem smile and look as Boogie.
Fatbros. If Emil can do it, so can you!
The coping has ended. The people have awakened.
>Starfield was so bad that my diehard bethesdagay friends started breaching off and played Soul and Dragon Dogma
He was seething about it until I told him that he can refund the game before early access was over. It's honestly quite amazing how it managed to piss off two of my friends who enjoy normalgay games.
this game is fun if you enjoyed fo4+fo76, someone who played skyrim or oblivion is no longer a bethesdagay
>someone who played skyrim or oblivion is no longer a bethesdagay
I only played TES games. I haven't touched Bethesda fallout outside of NV.
The marketing bucks ran out so they can no longer buy reviews or pay fake hypemen to pretend to like their game.
People who have no capacity to think on their own jumping on a hate tirade bandwagon just to feel part of something. The game isn't bad, it may be boring to some people but it's not bad by any means.
Because it failed at every level and delayed Elder Scrolls to fricking 2030 when Skyrim was released in fricking 2011
skyrim RUINED bethesda
>FOCKING PRONOUNS!!!
honeymoon period and then people realised it was a Bethesda game
it's almost like space "exploration" games are inherently boring and running around barren planets is not fun
e-celebs said it was le bad so now zoomers are giving it negative reviews, once the same e-ecelebs make another video calling it "it's actually le good" they will give it positive reviews again
e-celebs are the ones in charge of deciding whether a game is good or not, it's how it works today, look what happened with No Man's Sky or Cyberpunk
It’s a really, really, really shit game. I think it’s Bethesdas worst and may have unironically killed the company.
when i think of Starfield, the first thing i'll think of are Heelvsbabyface and Honest Conference. not the actual game.
Todd's own meme magic has run dry. now we need to rely on others.
people who haven't played the game mostly
they watch ragetube content that paints an unrealistic picture and then they rage about the game over something that fundementally doesn't exist outside of their and the ragetuber's script.
>betheseda hires hordes of shit smeared pajeets to make the game
>othe pajeets then bombard Ganker with shill threads
>people get pissed about this
>to top it off the game sucks ass
>pajeets go on damage control for months trying to fix the situation but it only gets worse
>no nomination at VGAs and now mostly negative reviews has utterly fricked them
It’s like the a classical Greek tale of hubris.
welcome new seethers from the old seethe topic
>1000 posts of seethe back to back about a 4 month old game
thanks for the bump, b***h
>NOOOO STOP CRITICIZING BETHESDA FORGET ABOUT STARFIELD YES YES
Seriously, shut the frick up.
thanks for another bump, b***h.
I said shut the frick. UP.
SAAR DO NOT BUMP THE THREAD YOU BLOODY BASTARD b***h
i'm going to keep bumping it just so you keep starfield seethe in your brain over enjoying xmas
Sounds like you’re the only one seething here.
People have been calling it shit since it came out moron. Even normies and the fricking drones on reddit hate this shit
My heart goes out to Bethesda. They don't deserve this crap.
first singleplayer Bethesda game I've skipped since Morrowing. looked like the most generic sci-fi ever. that and with the whole "fake exploration" stuff being revealed, and already not liking Fallout 4, I had no interest in trying this.
cope moron pajeet
starfield is shit
No shit
I bought it a few days ago and it seems pretty good so far.
So is this the final nail? The pajeets seem to be going insane. I’ve seen three new threads within the last ten minutes.
>suddenly
Everyone knew before it came out that it was gonna be a total shitshow.
they wasted years on this trash instead of making the next elder scrolls.
Look on the bright side. There's a chance now that Micro$oft fires the whole management team before they get a chance to shit up TES6
They waited over a decade and let 343 completely destroy Halo before finally firing people.
They’re not gonna do shit.
Pete has been pretty vocal about MS changing their methods in regards to studios they work with. They have sadly discovered that modern game developers have zero passion and drive and will do nothing or do it wrong if not whipped by external management. They are more alike beasts of burden than thinking humans and MS will use this to pound stagnant studios like Beth and Arkane into the ground until they make them some fricking money
We will never get another Morrowind. The Bethesda that made that is not the same, not in mentality or ability, and it's quite sad.
Merry Christmas!!!
I've never liked Bugthesda trash. And I haven't played Starfield. But a friend of mine is a failing Twitch streamer and I watched him for a considerable amount of time, and it just looked like... Bugthesda trash. Except instead of a fantasy or apocalypse theme, space, and with way too much blank space.
Maybe it's the vast stretched of nothing? Seems to be what people want otherwise.
cultist thread
Everyone hated skyrim too when it came out.
Only got popular when le EPIC youtubers and funnay mods.
Everyone not on Ganker loved Skyrim the frick do you mean?
Only difference between then and now is not even the general public is eating this starslop.
wrong
you don't know shit zoomer. we would have weekly skyrim civil war threads that would hit bump limits regularly
frick off young c**t
you have no idea of what you're talking about
this
the whole "starfield is bad" is manufactured by ecelebs that pump out ragetube content for people who want to hear "starfield is bad", who were never in the bethesda target audience in the first place.
>schizo chatgpt tier psycho babble conspiracy
Xbox brand lost again, another year.
but e-celebs just copy paste public opinion. they ARE the sheep.
>this feels like a made up complaint
Just because most people use fast travel doesn't mean it's justified to remove one of the features that has been a staple in Bethesda games for like 20 years now. Sure you can fast travel everywhere in Skyrim, but you still have to actually visit those places at least once, and you can always ignore fast travel anytime because it's a choice. You can't do any of that in Starfield because there is no choice.
Also if you continue to remove shit just because "most people don't use it", the result is a boring and bland fricking game including storytelling. Ask Emil for proof lmao.
most people have a complaint that is repeating ecelebs instead of a personal complaint, like "desing document" or "19k tri cube"
you can tell its not their own because it always comes up in these threads. truth is a lot of people just watch ecelebs for schadenfraude instead of actually engaging in the content. nobody who plays the games even notices these things.
>"desing document"
hello esl SAAR BLOODY b***h BASTARD DO NOT REDEEM
no you fricking moron, the public in general does not like the game. e-celebs are only there for them to articulate better with coherent points, points that you can't refute for shit so you just cope behind strawmans and ad hominems. "nobody who plays the games even notices these things" isn't an argument when there are tons of people that actually played the game and repeat the same shit these e-celebs are saying and more. cry in the corner you shill b***h.
>no you fricking moron, the public in general does not like the game. e-celebs are only there for them to articulate better with coherent points,
false dichotomy. and you just agreed with the point i was making. people don't have organic points they themselves arrived at, these people are the ones who the eceleb ragetube content gets made for, and then extracted out of their advertisement dollars. this is the basic premise for how youtube works. i can easily find a 500000 video essays about how X is bad, but attributing that to some kind of general consesus is a hilariously bad false dichotomy. there is no audience for making lukewarm praise about a game that is enjoyed by a lukewarm audience. you either have one extreme like nintendo or fromsoft kids frothing at the mouth the praises towards their games or the opposite extreme of low IQ, poorly constructed ragetube content which condenses reddit complaints into a more digestable, "coherent" version of what the main criticisms from the group that already dislikes the game are, for people who are already in disliking of the game.
>points that you can't refute for shit so you just cope behind strawmans and ad hominems. "nobody who plays the games even notices these things" isn't an argument when there are tons of people that actually played the game and repeat the same shit these e-celebs are saying and more. cry in the corner you shill b***h.
i don't watch eceleb ragetube shit so i have no idea what these complaints are, but the design document thing i have no comment on since it's such an insane dumb comment, its obviously bethesda's prerogative to design games how they want, and it's clearly worked for them historically so that's enough of that, and the 19k tri cube thing is literally made up/dumb ragetube ammunition because even if we suppose a 19k tri cube exists it's either menu only or LOD0 asset. 19k isnt actually that many tris if you are talking in terms of modern tri counts
>people don't have organic points they themselves arrived at
Talking to a moron like you is painful. The reviews on Steam or on the Xbox app literally proves these points are organic and it blows your whole "no one that played the game notices this" point out the solar system but all you focus about is e-celeb shit which you also missed the fricking point.
Even a moron realizes Bethesda's quest design is ancient and having to return again and again to the quest giver just to update the fricking quest sucks. All Todd has to do is just add in long distance communication especially in a FRICKING SCI-FI WORLD and the loading screens would be cut in half.
Good point. There’s no way there’s not some communication device or another in the giant space rpg game.
>The reviews on Steam or on the Xbox app literally proves these points are organic
go find a single review on steam that complains about 19k tri cubes and "muh no design doc"
these reviews don't exist, the complaints are made up by ecelebs for rage bait algo consuming low IQ morons, now, steam might have a contingent of these morons that still write out wordy reviews and thumb down the game after 200 hours but i will not let up until you bring me a single example of a review citing 19k tri cubes and design documents as their reason for disliking the game. in fact, you will not find a single example because my point stands and youre just becoming more and more desperate.
>go find a single review on steam that complains about 19k tri cubes and "muh no design doc"
Where the frick do you even get 19k tri cubes, you dumb b***h? You say yourself that you don't watch these videos so how do you even fricking know what's being said? Design document is literally because the moron Emil blurted it out and was spread around like wildfire. Go continue to cry in the corner like the little b***h you are.
NOOOOOoooo you can’t just criticize something stupid that the lead writer said! You must be a YouTube hater!
you seem to be confused because you cant follow a simple reply chain, dunno what i expected of u
hes mainly a designer, now explain how its nepotism
You don't even disagree with me, that his work in these games is shit, so I leave figuring out the rest to you
He wrote the bests quests in Skyrim and Oblivion thoughever. People just hate him because he said an uncomfortable about writing in videogames
he should just copy todd, and not be a public personality whatsoever outside of his PR appearances. too many tards just love to latch on to him and scapegoat off of him about their butthurt against bethesda, when hes in fact a stellar designer.
uncomfortable truth about writing in video games*
>Design document is literally because the moron Emil blurted it out and was spread around like wildfir
so u admit you are just getting fed your opinions? again how is any of this organic, is emil in the game talking in the game about design documents?????????
his work in these games is the reason why bethesda is worth 7 billion dollars lil man
>STOP LOOKING ONLINE STOP TALKING TO PEOPLE YOU MUST SHUT YOURSELF IN LIKE A LOSER NEET LIKE MYSELF
No.
getting you to admit you get your opinions fed to you was the goal of this argument, thank you for participating.
>you get your opinions fed to you
You should stop saying shit that you have no understanding of.
I'm not even that anon, dude. But your argument is stupid. Someone can dislike something and find out afterwards information that then gives them the reason why something turned out shit.
It's just like watching a film and finding it pretty full of plot holes and bad character arcs, and then finding out a director worked without a storyboard afterwards.
I played it on Gamepass and got bored after 3ish hours. Didn’t like the game that I’d experienced so far, but now because I’ve been made aware of some of why the game has me feeling bored my opinion is now regurgitated trash. At least according to the YouTube schizophrenic.
>don’t like the game I played
>look up things about the game
>NO. YOU CAN’T DO THAT. FORM YOUR OWN OPINIONS
I already did YouTube schizo.
Similar experience for me. Played it for 10 hours, decided that almost every aspect of it felt oddly unfinished, and put it down.
That plenty of others can articulate precisely why it felt that way doesn't make my opinion regurgitated.
NO YOU DONT GET IT, you're supposed to play the game for 100 hours in NG+. Only then you truly have the right to criticize the game.
Oh and if you post a review after playing 100 hours you obviously enjoyed it so it's invalid.
>Oh and if you post a review after playing 100 hours you obviously enjoyed it so it's invalid.
Love this. I hope whoever thinks that goes to look at the 2k+ reviews on any moba and thinks that anybody who plays those game truly enjoys them.
>getting information from other sources to understand why the game that you don't like is the way it is
>you are not allowed to do this
Why.
Probably because when you say you didn’t think the game was fun you get psychotic Black folk screaming that without specific, detailed examples sourced with images and comprehensive analysis you MUST be a troll. So I’ll post some eceleb pasta I found somewhere else, because they aren’t interested in listening in the first place.
Starfield is an utterly dogshit game. I had more fun with fricking Anthem, at least flying around in that was cool for a few hours.
>I had more fun with fricking Anthem
I've heard Starfield is bad, but is it really THAT bad?
No the game legitimately filters people because it lacks a tutorial so they will do dumb shit like turning at max speed in space while complaining that the turn angle is too wide
e-celebs usually get paid by companies to shill big games.
Why would they get paid to make ragebait, moron-kun?
because there is a thing on youtube called adsense and they make money with it
You weren't there. Skyrim was HUGE at the time. I remember articles like "zomg you can catch butterflies with your hands and use them for crafting". It was just so impressive and innovative, basically just like BOTW but even bigger, it impacted the whole industry.
>all these zoomer replies
lmao
Oldgays who started with Morrowind fricking hated Skyrim, and now zoomers are trying to change the narrative. Unbelievable.
You can like both Morrowind and Skyrim, you know, you don't have to restrict yourself to just one game.
Oblivion was a big regression, but Skyrim actually walked back a lot of those changes like the aggressive level scaling for example.
Yah and those oldgays got outnumbered 20 to 1 you disingenuous homosexual. Unfortunately for you, people loved Skyrim.
>normies have shit tastes
what's new?
>Oldgays who started with Morrowind fricking hated Skyrim
No I didn't. I actually liked it more than Oblivion.
I fricking hate Skyrim compared to Morrowind but acting like both its launch and Starfield's launch are anywhere close to being the same is asinine.
You're right. Skyrim was full of bugs and performance issues on launch (unplayable on the PS3). Meanwhile Starfield is probably Bethesda's least buggy launch in a long time.
Skyrim, if it was released today, would probably last 20 years, that's how low standards are today
What the frick does that even mean? It had less content than Oblivion and Morrowind.
Frick outta here, zoomer.
Skyrim was released in 2011 and lasted a decade being moderately popular, a game of that caliber today would last twice as long with how shit the industry is
yeah because skyrimgays have no standards.
same answer from above still applies.
>skyrim has no standards
>would be the best game of all time for two decades if it released today
So what's the defense for Shitfield then? The original claim was Skyrim was just as hated at launch as Starfield is now, but that's only the case if you only browse Ganker and ignore literally everything else in the gaming medium, to which even then Skyrim had far more discussion threads than Starfield ever had.
So again, what is the defense for Starfield? Attacking a decade old game to cope for your garbage NMS clone being critically panned everywhere isn't a good look.
> The original claim was Skyrim
never claimed this.
>b-but
nope. not the original anon.
So you're arguing on someone else's behalf, as it takes 5 clicks to see the original post everyone is replying to. Tall about being a cuck.
>you're not allowed to enter a conversation
So then you agree that Starfield is exponentially worse than Skyrim both is and was. Why are you even arguing then?
He’s just a homosexual. Simple as
starfield is about average for a modern game, I would say it's about as good as elden ring
Bait. Ignore and move on.
I accept your concession
Loading screens alone put Shitfield below everything that launched this year.
I already accepted your concession samegay
No? Skyrim has a worse launch. People didn't start shitting on Starfield until couple of months after release.
It's been mixed since launch even from gaming news sites, compared to Skyrim where, despite the bugs, had literally everyone sucking it off. Again it's either an insanely disingenuous claim or you're simply too underaged to actually remember what Skyrim's launch was like.
skyrim launch was fine, you're a schizophrenic spammer
Are you quoting the correct person? Because that's literally what I've been saying lmao.
oh yeah, the guy that's saying skyrim's launch was buggy is a schizo spammer that came up with that within the last year
>It's been mixed since launch
No, it was positive for an entire month after launch. If you want to argue with someone at least get your facts straight.
Literal steam numbers in the same thread. Major outlets like Eurogamer, Gamespot and IGN giving it a 7. Conversation on the game dying out within a week all over the internet.
>december numbers
It released in september, you stupid idiot.
>People didn't start shitting on Starfield
Willful amnesia? People were shitting on the loading screens and queuing up instead of actual space traversal and horrendous NPCs since the $100 edition launch.
The one advantage the nu-Bethesda had prior to Starfield was the stellar exploration of a handcrafted map that made up for absolutely everything else with diminishing success. They haven't got it anymore.
>muh loading screens
most artificial complaint ever. Every game has loading screens, even if they try to hide them with unskippable cutscenes
This is how I know all that outrage was fabricated.
>artificial complaint! see, game from nearly 20 years ago has the same problem!
lmao
I haven't played Cyberpunk or any modern game. Are you telling me they don't have any loading screens? At all? I find it hard to believe that.
He's forgetting about cyberpunk's launch when the game would fail to load new areas and you'd fall through the map
That still happens sometimes
They do but with caveats like hiding the loading screen in some way or by making everything on the map unable to be interacted with as that was bog the game down with scripts
Depends, because the game was also broken on launch, but the only loading screens you'll see in the current build are on elevators and when you fast travel. Being disingenuous towards Starfield and acting like having a loading screen for entering a building, exiting a building, entering your ship, taking off from a planet, flying towards a new planet, and docking at a new planet is equivalent to an elevator you'll have to stand in for 20 seconds once every 5-8 hours is fricking moronic.
>having a loading screen for entering a building, exiting a building, entering your ship, taking off from a planet, flying towards a new planet, and docking at a new planet
woah so it has as many loading screens as any other Bethesda game made since Morrowind?
You morons bought a Bethesda game and then complain that it's a Bethesda game. Lmao
>woah so it has as many loading screens as any other Bethesda game made since Morrowind?
Feel free to keep proving that you don't play video games. Even on mediocre computers at launch, shit like Morrowind, Oblivion and even Fallout 3 kept you in a loading screen for any detrimental amout of time, which is the problem with Shitfield since you're sitting through 5 loading screens just to switch planets. I guess that's completely comparable to entering the Fighter's Guild and having to wait 0.3 seconds.
Man modern Bethesda fans are fricking moronic.
starfield runs fine on pc, it's funny how consoles with dollar store SSDs have long loading times
It could run at 200fps on a school computer and the constant barrage of loading screens would still be an issue.
loading screens are no problem on pc with an SSD, the dollar store SSDs in consoles are much slower than bog standard SSDs for PC
>shit like Morrowind, Oblivion and even Fallout 3 kept you in a loading screen for any detrimental amout of time
yeah you very clearly played these games at least 5 years after their launch
Opinion discarded.
>have to meet someone in Vivec
>take silt strider: loading screen
>enter foreign quarter waistworks: second loading screen
>enter shop: third loading screen
>talk to NPC, sends me to the sewers
>exit shop: forth loading screen
>enter waterworks: fifth loading screen
>enter canals: sixth loading screen
You are the disengeious moron here. Of course if you play Morrowind on your modern pc now using openmw you won't even notice the loading screens. But they were there.
Once again: you are a zoomer moron
You make a good point though, there isn't that much point in investing in the "no loading screen" feature because a fast enough PC will load so quickly you won't notice the loading screen. In fact, a Bethesda game is perfect for this, since they're so replayable, and will be played decades from now.
Lmao. Still more loading screens in star field. To argue anything else is to lie. Cry about it and call people zoomers all you want. It’s almost 2024, sweaty.
>yeah you very clearly played these games at least 5 years after their launch
Guaranteed that you weren't even a thought when Morrowind launched.
>have to meet someone in Vivec
>take silt strider: loading screen
>enter foreign quarter waistworks: second loading screen
>enter shop: third loading screen
>talk to NPC, sends me to the sewers
>exit shop: forth loading screen
>enter waterworks: fifth loading screen
>enter canals: sixth loading screen
And again even on something as old as a 98 or 2000 you'll be in and out of Vivec long before you even hop planets in Shitfield. Give it up, underage.
>And again even on something as old as a 98 or 2000
what the frick am I reading? Are you using windows versions? What the frick does that have anything to do with performance? God You're an idiot.
>you'll be in and out of Vivec long before you even hop planets in Shitfield
yeah ok I dare you to play Morrowind on the original xbox. Tell me how quick you navigate Vivec. I fricking dare you.
As a point of reference for older computers, I understand you've never played games on anything outside of a macbook so maybe thinking an underage would know what a '98' is in context to Morrowind was expecting too much.
>yeah ok I dare you to play Morrowind on the original xbox. Tell me how quick you navigate Vivec. I fricking dare you.
I see so we're moving goalposts to consoles then lmao. Yeah great defense for Shitfield, it's just as good as Morrowind on the Xbox and Skyrim on the PS3!
The real point of reference should be a graphics card from the time, like the Geforce 3.
Of course you wouldn't know about these because you are a zoomer moron who hasn't heard of graphic cards before the GTX 1060
>I see so we're moving goalposts to consoles then lmao. Yeah great defense for Shitfield, it's just as good as Morrowind on the Xbox and Skyrim on the PS3!
putting words in my mouth. I've been saying that Starfield is less broken then these games were on launch since the start. You are disingenuous as frick.
>The real point of reference should be a graphics card from the time, like the Geforce 3
You could run most RIVA's and run into less loading screens in Morrrowind compare to Starfield on a 4090 with SSD.
>putting words in my mouth. I've been saying that Starfield is less broken then these games were on launch since the start. You are disingenuous as frick.
Which is a terrible thing. Shit like Morrowind and Oblivion only required bugfixes to further cement themselves as gaming pillars, but all the issues in Shitfield are baked into the game itself. Ironing out the few remaining bugs for example doesn't fix the terrible leveling system or the 6 loading screens per planet problem.
A broken game is worse than a game that doesn't appeal to your tastes. I'm sorry you accepted broken trash like Skyrim at launch.
Wow I really was arguing with a Starfield shill. Wouldn't shock me if he's been using chatgpt for all his replies.
Yes, anon
Bethesda personally paid me to shit on Skyrim, just as a new update for it was released.
You caught me. How smart of you.
Nobody has to pay you to be a fat piece of shit
so am I a shill or not??
Make up your mind
Nobody cares about your Shitfield, pajeet.
You keep discussing it thread after thread so I suppose you care.
Another disingenuous post. There are more loading screens in this Bethesda game than any other Bethesda game. You don’t play any games though and you wouldn’t know that.
>You morons bought a Bethesda game and then complain that it's a Bethesda game. Lmao
Lets imagine that all you say is true. (It's not) Ok, Fallout 3 has the same amount of loading screens as Starfield. Do you suppose it's a good defence to stress they didn't improve this at all in 15 (FIFTEEN) years?
How do you "improve" on loading screens? What the frick does that even mean?
You morons have no idea about anything related to video game development.
You increase the chunks of game that you load before having to enter one you braindead, moronic homosexual. Faster CPUs can run more scripts, higher amounts of memory and faster GPUs can load more chunks of the world at once.
You are such a stupid, disingenuous homosexual. You're the one who doesn't understand anything about gamedev
>load more stuff all at once
>bog down performance
congratz, pajeet. You're hired!
>bog down performance
You know nothing about games you absolute fricking mong
>no u
great retort
There's nothing to fricking retort because you didn't make a point. Loading in more chunks of a game through memory doesn't "bog down performance" you absolute fricking brainlet. LoDs, not rendering movement off-screen or out of FoV, and many other tricks to exist to completely negate the "performance" impact of loading more of an area at once. If you think loading the interiors of any of the Starfield cities would "bog down performance" you are genuinely fricking moronic. They didn't do it because they're still using a gorillion year old engine and haven't innovated in 2 decades you pathetic homosexual
>How do you "improve" on loading screens? What the frick does that even mean?
They clearly "regressed" on loading screens, so it follows they can "improve", does it not, my Black person?
this post
already proved that they did not regress.
They did regress and you have to be a disgusting pajeet to say otherwise.
>They did regress
>says the guy that thinks cyberpunk doesn't have loading screens
why do you gays keep saying this? in traversing the open world, cyberpunk has 0 loading screens. you can go from one end to the map to the other, in and up and out buildings, all without loading screens
>b-b-b-but it has a loading screen when you fast travel or load a save
actually unironically have a nice day please you homosexual
>an optional fast travel and occasional elevator is equivalent to starfield's loading screen themepark
lmao
Listen buddy. Loading in cyberpunk is exactly the same as loading into my ship, loading into space, loading to my fast travel destination, and then loading off of my ship, ok?!
They clearly regressed in overall game design and how they space these loading screens. In all their prior games player spends considerable amount of time in overworld. You can skip it with fast travel, but this is on you. Overworld is a giant chunk of game content. In Starfield there isn't even overworld, it's all just loading from one room to another.
Also, do you imply loading in video games is some kind of magic which can't be optimized? I'm a senior software engineer and the most interesting aspect of my work is optimizing loading and calculating shit. Somehow even ubishit open worlds figured out loading optimization. I'm also playing Hogwarts Legasy right now and you I see loading screens orders of magnitude less than in Starfield. If Bethesda couldn't figure out optimization in their shitty engine or can't work around this limitation and compensate in game design, it's 100% on them. And defending their poor decisions is just plain stupid.
>duh loading screens duh regress
buy an SSD
Black person.
>I haven't played Cyberpunk or any modern game. Are you telling me they don't have any loading screens? At all? I find it hard to believe that.
If Bethesda made Cyberpunk 2077, MaxTac and 6th Street would have been joinable factions instead of forcing the player to say no to their offers.
You are right. They would also be sanitized, faceless, styleless flavourless slop of a quest line, blending together with every other faction. You'd also be able to simultaneously be in all factions together.
I prefer the game that does 1 thing good to a game, that does 5 things poorly.
At least it would have been a real RPG, CDPR doesn't know how to make those.
Cyberpunk is a good action game and shit RPG, Starfield is a shit action game and slightly less shit RPG. Take your pick
Starfield is a great RPG, just below the likes of Morrowind or KOTOR 2.
Yeah... The RPG, which is a dumbed down version of Fallout 4, which is a dumbed down version of Skyrim, which is a dumbed down version of Oblivion, which is a dumbed down version of Morrowind... Is clearly "just below" Morrowind. I know you are just trolling at this point, consider this (you) your last.
>Cyberpunk
>Good action game
It’s a decent visual novel with tacked on gameplay
The combat in 2077 is unironically better than Starfield, and SF has had id software's backing. How the frick do you have one of the best fricking studios behind you when it comes to fluid and fun combat and still drop the ball.
>there is a HUGE part of the Bethesda fandom who just refuse to play any of their games without mods and just immediately have the opinion of "without mods, its shit"
It's a reasonable stance considering we're talking about Bethesda so I don't see what the issue is. Good on them for not being moronic.
>combat in 2077 is unironically better than Starfield
not really
>The combat in 2077 is unironically better than Starfield
Nope. Even Fallout 4 was more interesting because of its enemy design
what's this lol
Loadings from the main menu, save loadings and fast travel that you're in no way forced to take. You said you haven't played the game; why are you pretending that Night City isn't one continuous map that would justify prolonged render every time you load in?
>complain about loading screens
>on a pc with an SSD you barely notice them, near instant loading
>all the complaints about loading screens are from people on shitsoles with dollar store SSDs
hmm
You seem to be getting really desperate, Todd
Are you just randomly schizoing now? My entire response to that 'lol' is that CP77 loadings are there because it's one continuous map, and they will definitely be longer than one Starfield ship interior load screen. The difference is that no one will suffer these loadings unless you fast travel, and even then, the longest loading screen is the one you do from the main menu because it generates the map again. There won't be a loading screen every time you enter a building, ride an elevator, or enter a vehicle. Something that these Polish fricks learned back in the 2010s with Witcher 3 even.
Cyberpunk has loading screens though you psychopath
I described to you where they are. Fast travel, save, and main menu. I guess there could be one when you see Johnny's memories. Maybe? I don't even remember if there was one; they always mask them with some actual in-game scenes instead of 5 loading screens. Wait transitions in quests are done by a simple, instant screen wipe.
So no, schizo, I once again have no idea what you're talking about. You are free to post what activity requires loading the screen because even races are done by a screen wipe.
>cyberpunk has loading screens
>AHHHHHHHHHHH I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT
this is just pathetic
Alright, man, I see you are mentally unstable, and 5 loading screens to go from planet to planet pretending to be a spaceship traversal (unless it's a known location) is the same thing as 1 loading screen to fast travel anywhere to anything in CP77. I leave you with your shizophrenia and a strawman you're gay wrestling here.
Once again there are no in-world loading screens in CP77 on technical ones. Count the amount buildings you can enter in Starfield without a loading screen. It would be interesting comparison.
>cyberpunk doesn't have any loading screens
>yes it does *posts video of loading screen*
>NOOOOOOOOOOOO STARFIELD HAS MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOORE
lol
>haha you're triggered
but you're the one screeching and lying?
>shitfield shill equating optional, one-off loading screens to experiencing a loading screen via every single interaction
lmao
>if you point out that I'm lying about cyberpunk not having loading screens you're a shill
or you know, you're lying
you can literally go anywhere in cyberpunk without incurring a single loading screen, what are you on about Black person?
>cyberpunk doesn't have any loading screens
lmao
>no argument
Concession accepted I guess. Why are you trying so hard
>cyberpunk doesn't have as any loading screens
>i-i mean cyberpunk doesn't have as many loading screens as starfield
maybe it should lol
>shitfield shill is illiterate
You can drive from Pacifica to Westbrook (ie across the map) without inciting a single loading screen, while it's literally impossible to go from New Atlantis to Earth without inciting over half a dozen loading screens.
doesn't have any loading screens
Ah so you are actually pretending to be moronic, strawmanning that
video is somehow implying that there are NO loading screens in CP77 when the entire point was to lampoon the segments in the game that are seamless, unlike Starfield?
I hope you will wrestle this strawman and frick it in the ass because no one here even implied there are NO loading screens in that game, only that its world is seamless and you can actually get into your car without it being a box outside of the map or walk into any building available.
>there are no loading screens in cyberpunk
>i-i mean there aren't as many as starfield
maybe there should be
There he goes repeating his posts like the perfect Bethesda shill
>if you point out that I lied about there being no loading screens in cyberpunk you're a shill
tiresome
The only person that ever said Cyberpunk has 0 loading screens are the voices in your head.
lying and gaslighting, you just can't win can you
Point out where it was said that Cyberpunk has 0 loading screens.
Am I safe to assume that you're also implying by this video that there are NO texture bugs or failure to load something in Starfield? Because you know for a fact if you're treating this
as NO Loadings I can treat your little tantrum as NO bugs.
>cyberpunk doesn't have any loading screens
>yes it does
>STARFIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEELD
samegay mental illness
>cyberpunk doesn't have any loading screens
No one said this, shizo. Link the post where person says this. Are you saying by these that there are no texture or rendering bugs in Starfield?
>BUT STARFIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEELD
take your meds
Are you gain to link the post? Or will you continue to frick the strawman until the archive?
you lost
Sneed.
I'll see you in another Starfield coping thread then. I have zero doubts that you frequent those.
are you going to claim cyberpunk doesn't have loading screens again
Were you not going to point out where the claim was made?
Cyberpunk has loading screens
Now point to the post that said it didn't. Or ignore my request again and concede that you're arguing with yourself.
cyberpunk has loading screens
Schizoid Bethesda fan lmao
I accept your concession that cyberpunk has loading screens
Is it really that hard to just quote the post that said Cyberpunk doesn't have loading screens?
to be fair OP is a paranoid schizophrenic in his mother's basement and does these sort of shill campaigns all the time. Plus he's so schizophrenic that he killed all discussion of starfield within the first week, so yeah, the past couple months have just been him talking to himself
>you spent just as much time in elevators as you do in starfield's loading screens
I don't remember having to ride an elevator every five minutes in mass effect & I also don’t remember that game forcing you to slowly walk across planets.
>I don't remember having to ride an elevator every five minutes
elevator rides lasted 5 minutes each.
>but they didn't in my case!
That means you didn't play at launch or on a x360
>I also don’t remember that game forcing you to slowly walk across planets.
lol
lmao even
>it lasted 5 minutes therefore the amount of time spent is exactly the same as starfield
Its not though.
>invents argument
moron
>a vehicle that can climb anything & has guns with enemies dotted around to break up monotony is literally the same as slowly walking across an empty map
>also it's fine that game design hasn't progressed in 15 years, nobody honestly expects anything to get better & if they do they're lying
>basically everyone is liar except the "won't someone plz think of poor bethesda" demographic I'm apart of
I'm sure these good faith arguments will cause people to buy the game & love it, that'll definitely happen.
Black person, read the fricking sentence till the end. Loading screens instead of actual space traversal in a game from a company known for its biggest strength being the exploration of the world they made. Also, nice example of a loading screen is that actually doubles as party banter because they actually talk in the elevator since Bioware actually knew how boring this would be, unlike Bethesda, who queued them up in front of every building in Starfield.
>bug riddled skyrim with an unplayable PS3 version was still critically acclaimed at launch compared to shartfield
Ohnonono
hmm you have to be underage even if your balls didn’t drop around 2011 you would have noticed the cultural monolith it was
yeah it was when normalgays invaded the community and ruined it. Normalgay opinion is worth nothing in my eyes.
Lol I love this kind of argument. To daggerfall gays morrowind enjoyers ruined the community. This can go on and on. Which is this argument can’t be taken seriously. I’m sorry that people are being born, growing up, and playing new iterations of IPs you enjoyed when you were a dumbfrick grade schooler. Never grow up and keep seething at new people liking new things.
>To daggerfall gays morrowind enjoyers ruined the community
this never happened and it shows you weren't there.
Zoom zoom.
It actually did happen ackshually and you actually weren’t there zoom zoom actually
>no u
Shouldn't have expected more from skyrim apologists.
It’s the whole basis of your argument. It’s pointless and moronic. You should feel dumber for posting it.
Skyrim won like every award it was possible to win the year it came out. It was a massive release. Ganker hated it but only because Ganker always hates whatever is popular.
Delusional. Skyrim was THE game right after release, everyone talked about it, memes were everywhere, I am talking entire internet not Ganker. Everyone knew FUS RO DA, everyone played it. Even girls from my school, who never played vidya, played Skyrim. Starfield's receptions is laughable in absolutely comparison, Skyrim was a storm and Slopfield is a pathetic fart
when are you morons going to realize all the anti bethesda threads and the "Ganker never liked _____" threads are schizos baiting
it's funny how these starfield threads have been kept alive for 4 months with nothing but samegay spam and baiting
The trailer alone somehow generated a massive hype on people who had never played any RPG game. Looking back now, it was really impressive.
its christmas time and on special so a bunch of people have been buying it and trying it. whatever hype it had is long dead so its just honest opinions now. not that hard to understand
"Sudden" if anything this is something that was a long time coming, their last few major releases have been middling to outright dogshit and they completely refuse to listen and make and changes or improvements
fallout 4 was a blockbuster hit, fallout 76 was eventually turned into the best bethesda fallout in existence.
they are on a roll. just not for you. TES6/FO5 is going to have online features and its going to be kino, again, but not for you.
Snoy rage
Brown people who can't afford to run it and cry about optimization.
>that "starfield = pajeet" meme turned out to be petulant lashing out by self hating brown kids
i knew it. it felt oddly specific for some reason.
why are you shills so inept?
Nah.
It's easy to predict it'd take this long. "Honeymoon phase" especially for a developer like Bethesda.
Three months of coping and going through DABDA and sunk-cost fallacy.
In the current state NEVER buy a game on release; wait a few months for the shilling period to end.
As a bonus you could just wait for discounts and complete editions.
Xbox Gaming Studios biggest hype, most marketed, most budget intensive video game in 10 years. Negative reviews on Steam, no GOTY given by mainstream outlets. Yep, it's perfect for Phil Spencer's resume.
Kek. All those Bethesda shill channels like Fudgemuppet, Camelworks, and TKSMantis now releasing videos saying it's not very good.
Never trust people on the internet.
AAA companies need to realize Open World shit is outdated. 1 every like 100 open world games might be decent, at most.
White incels hate it for being supposedly "woke". The game is actually quite decent
>gamespot just dropped their top 10 for this year
>no starfield
lmao
The gaming media shills very hard against bethesda for some reason. Accordingly fallout 76 was "sabotaged" internally, so it's highly probably bethesda's fall from grace and the obvious propaganda distributed by the gaming media is connected
that said bethesda is dead and has been since 76, so you're wasting your time obsessing over it
Its got to be a Sony marketing thing, right? Like I get it, Starfield was pretty shallow. But Spiderman is waaaay worse than Starfield and everyone pretends to like it and it won a bunch of awards.
I think bethesda was pretty late to the game adapting to the "new work environment" that is feminists having panic attack in the parking lot because they had to do an hour of real work every day
the honeymoon period ended, revealing an unpolished game that is about an inch deep in depth
Morrowind was shit when it came out and it's shit now.
Morrowind is the fricking worst, and Skyrim is unironically the best of the series with Oblivion being a close second best.
And yet they all somehow don't hold a fricking candle to the god damn MMO TESO.
Holy cow! Its real, and I thought a Mixed score was bad enough for BGS.
>sudden
>obvious botted shill thread using the "controversy" angle where the bots don't even work right
>anons still fall for it and get engaged
frick man, it's all over for modern society isn't it?
It helps when OP (the guy who makes all the starfield threads) has been bumping this thread and keeping it from archiving for 10 hours
Bathesda babies who grew up with skyrim expected something different from skyrim.
can you quit samegayging?
>reminder only out 3 months
>already 30% off
bes drones in full damage control
>same price as BG3
It isn't sudden and it isn't anger. It is disappointment. Todd lied yet again, so now they are paying for the deception.
for the first hundred hours of starfield you just kinda expect it will get better. after that when you start a new gae or jump through the unity you understand how bad it is in terms of setting and all you're left with is a worse far cry with fricking awful progression.
TOTAL BALDUR'S GATE 3 VICTORY
I genuinely wanted to like this game because, even for how overrated it was, Skyrim was a fun game. Starfield just sucks. The companions suck. The gameplay sucks. The quests and factions suck. The main plot sucks. The "exploring" sucks. Space sucks. Nothing about this game is good, and once the novelty wears off it is an abysmal game. Bethesda and its writers in particular should be ashamed.
Property is an extension of oneself, long, intrusive loading screens are a result of poor hardware. Since hardware is your property, intrusive loading screens are a personal failing. What you percieve to be a loading screen problem is actually you being inferior.
>starfield in the same absolute state of launched cyberpunk
>but launched cyberpunk was three years ago
lol, lmao even
man cyberpunk is a piece of trash
all the loading screens are just a quirk of the engine, each instance is its own, and it will never improve unless bethesda updates its outdated design
why are you Black folk pretending like no other games have loading screens
I swear to fricking god I do not trust anyone that says starfield was even remotely good. The game is absolute garbage. Irredeemably so.
AC6 WON
STARFIELD LOST
Bethesda created a game where the game parts were optional, but didn't bother to make them interesting.
You don't discover places on a planet, they're given to you as soon as you land. Even in Skyrim, while you were given the final destination as your marker, you still had the opportunity to go away from the road and find places. Shrines, draugr, bandit outposts, more draugr, a mining village, and more draugr. But what's between you and the signposted POIs? Oh, not even a hazard you need to find a way to traverse?
I know you wouldn't get space Thalmor carting around prisoners, but you could have pockets of danger. A beacon that you press a button on that has someone warping in after a short while, a radio station that has old signals that might lead you elsewhere, space hillbillies in a cave making moonshine. Just *something* that isn't just traipsing across a procgen landmass.
I can't speak for everyone, but personally, I have met like 40+ people who have had some variation of "I ain't buying/playing it until the 'Essential' mods come out"
and that was before the game even came out and people knew frick all about the type of content the game would have, there is a HUGE part of the Bethesda fandom who just refuse to play any of their games without mods and just immediately have the opinion of "without mods, its shit"
like, I can enjoy a good mod for a game, but I have grown to really hate the community that many games modding scenes have
>daggerfall is ok
>morrowind is the goat of open world games
>super excited for oblivion
>it turns out to be generic and dumbed down, disappointed but still enjoy the game
>hope skyrim has a little more depth and more options for character building than oblivion, and is less generic
>skyrim has less of everything
>cant even cast spells without switching between melee and magic which was oblivions biggest innovation to es combat
>cant even create your own spells
>even less weapons
>Get told its for "balance reasons" but the game is still unbalanced as frick and easy to break
>get told alien worlds and interesting settings are too weird for normies so they need to make generic stuff like the same viking buildings copy pasted a hundred times in an area with bears, cougars, elk.
>bethesda falls on its face in fallout 4 and 76, many fans dont like the innovations in those games
>starfield is released and its a generic/hard scifi game that turns into star wars in ng+. basically skyrim but not open world and more rpg mechanics
>normies arent biting it
>autists arent biting it
>game seems to be made for boomers who are really into space geology for some reason
>people saying they just want to make another good game like "skyrim"
>mfw everyone says the atmosphere in skyrim was amazing
>mfw music was the best thing about that atmosphere and they fired the composer because some bawd accused him of groping her or whatever. no more amazing music for next elder scrolls, instead they get some guy who puts out generic crap
its over man. i dont even feel vindicated for being right for 10+ years. im just sad the c**ts at bethesda were too egotistical to listen to their fanbase.
>dont have disposable income like many
>finally get highly anticipated game for christmas
>it frickin sucks
>sudden
The blood on the doorposts will be a sign to mark the houses in which you live. When I see the blood, I will pass over you and will not harm you when I punish the Egyptians. You must celebrate this day as a religious festival to remind you of what I, the LORD, have done. Celebrate it for all time to come.” The LORD said, “For seven days you must not eat any bread made with yeast — eat only unleavened bread. On the first day you are to get rid of all the yeast in your houses, for if anyone during those seven days eats bread made with yeast, he shall no longer be considered one of my people. On the first day and again on the seventh day you are to meet for worship. No work is to be done on those days, but you may prepare food. Keep this festival, because it was on this day that I brought your tribes out of Egypt. For all time to come you must celebrate this day as a festival. From the evening of the fourteenth day of the first month to the evening of the 21st day, you must not eat any bread made with yeast. Get woke, go broke. For seven days no yeast must be found in your houses, for if anyone, native-born or foreign, eats bread made with yeast, he shall no longer be considered one of my people.”
streamer told them so.
Normies are slow on the uptake. It took years and years and Fallout 76 for them to finally realize Fallout 4 was shit and where it all went bad for bethesda. And a good chunk of them still defend it.
It's a mediocre game that does nothing new or interesting, that they pretend is a revolutionary cutting-edge experience, and then get actually mad at anybody that doesn't enjoy exploring 1600+ barren moonscapes.
It makes perfect sense that the reviews would dip after a while. FO4 and SF both have totally promising intros (if you don’t realize how shallow things will become) and the world seems so massive and POTENTIALLY fun for hours until the bad writing, meaningless leveling, borderlands-tier loot, and procgen starts being felt by the player. They’re games you gradually grow to hate. It’s only once the final shred of goodwill is lost that Beth games will be properly received at launch, with the beginnings being viewed with the deserved cynicism.
It's a bad game.