Kane wins just for the reason that he’s not just charismatic, but he’s also an enigmatic frick instead of being just your regular moustache-twirler. Too bad that the end of Tiberium saga was botched up, but all the way up to Tiberium Wars and Kane’s Wrath, it was entertaining to try to figure out what on earth is his end goal and where he came from.
Kane was likely an Alien of some kind who got stranded on earth with his Brother Abel, the two of them decided to try and uplift humans and they got into a b***h fight about how best to make humanity strong.
Abel likely just wanted humanity to stop being stupid apes where as Kane wanted to go back to whatever place exiled them for revenge.
So Kane killed Abel and got some sort of extra punishment added on top for killing him that limited his power to just shifting around in the background like a 40k perpetual.
The problem with that state is is how the frick would the Scrin have information on the biblical Cain in their databanks.
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I don't know anon, those references in original games and manuals to them weren't made in mind with EA's pile of steaming shit that some consider to be a good and proper sequel
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Pre-tiberium crackhead spring could have surveyed Earth in the distant past. Then the historical account was forgotten as they slid down the slippery slope, but raw data remained in the systems. It's like SW or 40k, spacefaring civilisations are ancient and have forgotten many times more than a still planet-bound one had ever learned.
>He is canonically an alien and I will never forgive EA for that.
that's not true, he's the biblical Cain and was trying to leave the earth (ascend) because he was forced by God to roam the earth forever as immortal. This was the idea at Westwood and I think it was carried over to EA.
Nah, Kane's goal was to build Tiberian Eden on Earth, genetically enhancing every life form from carbon-based into Tiberium-based, so called Divination, not just mutation with people being deformed by Tiberium and still slowly dying despite gained immunity, Divination was supposed to give everyone all the advantages of Tiberium enhancement and more without the drawbacks that regular mutants suffer from.
Kane being ayylmao/trying to escape the Earth without turning it into Eden was solely EA's idea. Why would Kane and his followers leave the Earth, if in Tiberian Sun, Kane was talking about strong, divine people enhanced for the Tiberium world, in the same dialog where he said that Nod must claim the Earth as their own, Kane only leaves the Earth/disappears/gets forgiven by God and ascends to Heavens only in the Nod ending of Tiberian Sun where he launches the special Tiberium missile that will turn all life on planet into Tiberium-based and his plan essentially succeeded.
In Tiberian Dawn its stated that Nod are using Tiberium to experiment on humans. Tiberian Sun shows the continuation of that plotline and definite goal of turning all life into Tiberium-based, albeit you need to play both campaigns to see the full picture. Renegade showcases the process of controlled mutation and first attempts of Brotherhood to manipulate Tiberium and achieve their goals during first war.
Those don't seem fundamentally contradictory. Kane might have wanted to use Divination as a way to create a worker population so he could more rapidly climb the tech tree and find a way off-planet.
Emperor Doviculus and Drowned Ophelia from Brutal Legend. Granted, Doviculus doesn't get much time to shine in the campaign (what he gets is gold though) but he compensates for it in the multiplayer and skirmish modes where he (like other heroes and voiced units) gets a voiceline for like every single thing that happens during the battle. And he is voiced by this guy.
as much as i adore brutal legend, doviculus and ophelia having basically all of their planned story and content gutted from the game made them super underwhelming. i honestly enjoyed lionwhyte more. the dry ice mines was pretty cool though
>Ophelia
Pretty sure Ophelia's story would have unfolded and ended pretty much the same, the only change is that the Drowned Ophelia was changed from the real Ophelia who was going to stay dead into some Sea avatar using Ophelia as a medium (which is great, since that means she is single and was never touched by Eddie). The rest of the story including Eddie's team up with the Drowning Doom and Fletus's demon faction against Dovi's Tainted Coil was cut though, yes. >Lionwhyte
He's fine but doesn't get anywhere close to the other two for me.
I have a soft spot for Romanov. Without Yuri's influence, Romanov is shown to be rather competent at running the USSR, and have an interest in spaceflight.
Romanov treats the Soviet Commander quite well and is willing to let the Allies peacefully surrender and join forces in the Soviet Campaign for Yuri's Revenge, and it's telling that said campaign's ending is treated as genuinely optimistic and hopeful in its tone.
I liked Kane and didn't like fighting against him. The GDI didn't have interesting characters to go up against. Scrin are just aliens. I don't remember Yuri being interesting when set as an antagonist, but maybe he was, I've forgotten that campaign almost entirely.
The Overmind is OK, sort of generic. Mengsk just runs away all of the time (in Brood War, I don't care to remember SC2). DuGalle is fun to fight against, a good antagonist.
Kel'Thuzad and Mal'Ganis are somewhat fun, but also just sort of run away all of the time. Sylvanas is easy to want to kill.
Not all that many RTSes that really seem to apply, but I'm going to give this one to Admiral DuGalle. He was prepared to go all the way.
He was right at every point: >Not burning infested Terran world led to Kerrigan. >Cooperating with the Dark Templars lead to the Overmind learning the location of Aiur, and its invasion. >Trusting Kerrigan lead to the death of Rashagal and a Protoss civil war.
Cooperating with the Dark Templar was their only chance to stop the Zerg who were steamrolling through the galaxy not even far from Aiur, it was legitimately just a matter of time before they stumbled upon it as they infested each successive world. Sucks that it happened to be Zeratul who killed that cerebrate since most Dark Templar didn't even know where Aiur was, but its manifestation there is what allowed them to deal such a crippling blow to the Zerg. Aldaris was the one who instigated the civil war over this. If Kerrigan got taken out earlier, she wouldn't have been there to warn them about the Overmind's attempted rebirth. The UED ultimately took care of that, but the Protoss would have done in their stead. Plus, as much as people might want to pretend that SC2 isn't canon, we now know that Amon would have just taken control of the Zerg and obliterated life in the universe.
Cooperating with the Dark Templar was their only chance to stop the Zerg who were steamrolling through the galaxy not even far from Aiur, it was legitimately just a matter of time before they stumbled upon it as they infested each successive world. Sucks that it happened to be Zeratul who killed that cerebrate since most Dark Templar didn't even know where Aiur was, but its manifestation there is what allowed them to deal such a crippling blow to the Zerg. Aldaris was the one who instigated the civil war over this. If Kerrigan got taken out earlier, she wouldn't have been there to warn them about the Overmind's attempted rebirth. The UED ultimately took care of that, but the Protoss would have done in their stead. Plus, as much as people might want to pretend that SC2 isn't canon, we now know that Amon would have just taken control of the Zerg and obliterated life in the universe.
Yes. He also wasn't right when he, you know, forgot to text Artanis and friends that he was going to start a second civil war because Raszagal had become a mind slave. For such a talkative 'toss he chose an odd time to just clam up and start killing his brethren.
You know, for all the shit that EA did to industry, to Westwood and C&C, EA did listened to the backlash they received upon revealing in 2005-2006 the abomination they made, a full reboot of the series that was so revolting and had even less in common with previous games than the C&C3 we got, yet EA listened to the backlash, their answer was half-hearted nonetheless and the game from full reboot was turned into a half-hearted soft-rebbot with many retcons, but they did listened to some extent.
Yet, they still had one job, one fricking job, to please C&C fans a little bit more, all they needed to do is to say that this old guy is indeed Slavik, but then they killed him in 1/4-hearted Kane's Wrath addon by hands of a dumb Black person who killed him for revealing Black Hand, just for dumb Black person to proclaim its existence world-wide as true Brotherhood and also destroy all of Brotherhoods advanced technologies, from stealth-tech to anti-grav, Tiberium research and cybernetics tech.
The Gaalsien prophecy was fulfilled in the end, though the Kushan did manage to survive.
The Coalition was driven by a genuine threat of the desert encroaching on the polar region.
Kiith Gaalsien had managed to survive in the desert with technology, but how viable would this be for the entire population, or how long?
K'Had Sajuuk predicted "an unimaginable hailstorm of fire and death." He was completely and correctly convinced that Kharak would be destroyed as a direct result of the Coalition's actions.
If I asked you plainly whether he was right, you wouldn't say "no," you'd sputter and say "w-well he wasn't WRONG, per se..."
>HW1 >solid space opera with ambiguous prophecy but ultimately a political drama between exiles and tyrants >HW2 >pROPOHECSY, BRING SAJUIK TO BEAR, PROGENITORS
I think Deserts of Kharak did it right with secular vs religious conflict but just from the story trailer I'm somewhat convinced the writers have not learned anything from HW2
MY LIFE FOR YURI! (Kane is cool too)
thanks pg but i charge 200/h for consulting
yes
You don't often go against a single, personal and recurring foe in RTSes. Usually it's a whole leaderless faction that you fight against
Kane wins just for the reason that he’s not just charismatic, but he’s also an enigmatic frick instead of being just your regular moustache-twirler. Too bad that the end of Tiberium saga was botched up, but all the way up to Tiberium Wars and Kane’s Wrath, it was entertaining to try to figure out what on earth is his end goal and where he came from.
>Where he came from.
One of the instruction manuals heavily suggested he's the biblical Cain.
Renegade as well. Abel's tomb is underneath the Temple of Nod in Cairo.
What the frick is Cain's end goal then? To frick over God for making him immortal and choosing Abel over him?
Kane was likely an Alien of some kind who got stranded on earth with his Brother Abel, the two of them decided to try and uplift humans and they got into a b***h fight about how best to make humanity strong.
Abel likely just wanted humanity to stop being stupid apes where as Kane wanted to go back to whatever place exiled them for revenge.
So Kane killed Abel and got some sort of extra punishment added on top for killing him that limited his power to just shifting around in the background like a 40k perpetual.
>Kane was likely an Alien
No, he was the biblical Caine/Kane/Cain
You can be the Bible Cain and an alien at the same time Anon
It's stated outright in one of the instruction manuals, can't remember for which title exactly, that he's the biblical Cain.
The problem with that state is is how the frick would the Scrin have information on the biblical Cain in their databanks.
I don't know anon, those references in original games and manuals to them weren't made in mind with EA's pile of steaming shit that some consider to be a good and proper sequel
Pre-tiberium crackhead spring could have surveyed Earth in the distant past. Then the historical account was forgotten as they slid down the slippery slope, but raw data remained in the systems. It's like SW or 40k, spacefaring civilisations are ancient and have forgotten many times more than a still planet-bound one had ever learned.
Using the word likely and then going on a headcanon tantrum doesn't make it more right.
>Kane
>an enemy
this
kane is a serb and he will keep us safe
Is he? Because he built his first temple in Sarajevo? He is canonically an alien and I will never forgive EA for that.
>he didn't get the joke
Not everyone is from those parts brate/bolan/buraz.
>He is canonically an alien and I will never forgive EA for that.
that's not true, he's the biblical Cain and was trying to leave the earth (ascend) because he was forced by God to roam the earth forever as immortal. This was the idea at Westwood and I think it was carried over to EA.
Nah, Kane's goal was to build Tiberian Eden on Earth, genetically enhancing every life form from carbon-based into Tiberium-based, so called Divination, not just mutation with people being deformed by Tiberium and still slowly dying despite gained immunity, Divination was supposed to give everyone all the advantages of Tiberium enhancement and more without the drawbacks that regular mutants suffer from.
Kane being ayylmao/trying to escape the Earth without turning it into Eden was solely EA's idea. Why would Kane and his followers leave the Earth, if in Tiberian Sun, Kane was talking about strong, divine people enhanced for the Tiberium world, in the same dialog where he said that Nod must claim the Earth as their own, Kane only leaves the Earth/disappears/gets forgiven by God and ascends to Heavens only in the Nod ending of Tiberian Sun where he launches the special Tiberium missile that will turn all life on planet into Tiberium-based and his plan essentially succeeded.
Nobody at EA played Tiberian Sun or bothered to look into the story for more than 5 minutes.
EA games, ruin everything!
Why did I never know about any of this.
Because you never played C&C games maybe?
In Tiberian Dawn its stated that Nod are using Tiberium to experiment on humans. Tiberian Sun shows the continuation of that plotline and definite goal of turning all life into Tiberium-based, albeit you need to play both campaigns to see the full picture. Renegade showcases the process of controlled mutation and first attempts of Brotherhood to manipulate Tiberium and achieve their goals during first war.
Those don't seem fundamentally contradictory. Kane might have wanted to use Divination as a way to create a worker population so he could more rapidly climb the tech tree and find a way off-planet.
>Goes to Africa and middle east to recruit
Is it based or not based?
This one Vikings player who charged a Krepost of mine head-on.
KANE LIVES IN DEATH
ahem
Emperor Doviculus and Drowned Ophelia from Brutal Legend. Granted, Doviculus doesn't get much time to shine in the campaign (what he gets is gold though) but he compensates for it in the multiplayer and skirmish modes where he (like other heroes and voiced units) gets a voiceline for like every single thing that happens during the battle. And he is voiced by this guy.
as much as i adore brutal legend, doviculus and ophelia having basically all of their planned story and content gutted from the game made them super underwhelming. i honestly enjoyed lionwhyte more. the dry ice mines was pretty cool though
>Ophelia
Pretty sure Ophelia's story would have unfolded and ended pretty much the same, the only change is that the Drowned Ophelia was changed from the real Ophelia who was going to stay dead into some Sea avatar using Ophelia as a medium (which is great, since that means she is single and was never touched by Eddie). The rest of the story including Eddie's team up with the Drowning Doom and Fletus's demon faction against Dovi's Tainted Coil was cut though, yes.
>Lionwhyte
He's fine but doesn't get anywhere close to the other two for me.
Is.... Is that tim curry?
are you a newbie
>He does not know.
I have a soft spot for Romanov. Without Yuri's influence, Romanov is shown to be rather competent at running the USSR, and have an interest in spaceflight.
Romanov treats the Soviet Commander quite well and is willing to let the Allies peacefully surrender and join forces in the Soviet Campaign for Yuri's Revenge, and it's telling that said campaign's ending is treated as genuinely optimistic and hopeful in its tone.
Yes, he was portrayed quite sympathetically for an "antagonist" leader.
Excellent
Yuri > Kane
>Kane
>The Overmind
>CABAL
>Stalin
Probably CABAL out of those favs. Some other great suggestions in this thread though! Romanov was also pretty cool!
>Enemy
Kane saved humanity from the inequities of man and the fallible aliens from beyond the stars. He is our hero and messiah.
Moskvin was very memorable but he's an ally in the Soviet Campaign
I liked Kane and didn't like fighting against him. The GDI didn't have interesting characters to go up against. Scrin are just aliens. I don't remember Yuri being interesting when set as an antagonist, but maybe he was, I've forgotten that campaign almost entirely.
The Overmind is OK, sort of generic. Mengsk just runs away all of the time (in Brood War, I don't care to remember SC2). DuGalle is fun to fight against, a good antagonist.
Kel'Thuzad and Mal'Ganis are somewhat fun, but also just sort of run away all of the time. Sylvanas is easy to want to kill.
Not all that many RTSes that really seem to apply, but I'm going to give this one to Admiral DuGalle. He was prepared to go all the way.
>Admiral DuGalle. He was prepared to go all the way.
Pic related would like a word with you.
About what? Possibly being the biggest traitor in the series? He just attacks whatever is in front of him. And loses almost every time, at that.
He's based on John Wayne. And John Wayne was based.
Aldaris was right
Honorable mentions to mengsk and warfield.
Aldaris was right but only when it was too late for anyone to want to listen to him since he was a non-stop fricking imbecile prior to that moment.
He was right at every point:
>Not burning infested Terran world led to Kerrigan.
>Cooperating with the Dark Templars lead to the Overmind learning the location of Aiur, and its invasion.
>Trusting Kerrigan lead to the death of Rashagal and a Protoss civil war.
Cooperating with the Dark Templar was their only chance to stop the Zerg who were steamrolling through the galaxy not even far from Aiur, it was legitimately just a matter of time before they stumbled upon it as they infested each successive world. Sucks that it happened to be Zeratul who killed that cerebrate since most Dark Templar didn't even know where Aiur was, but its manifestation there is what allowed them to deal such a crippling blow to the Zerg. Aldaris was the one who instigated the civil war over this. If Kerrigan got taken out earlier, she wouldn't have been there to warn them about the Overmind's attempted rebirth. The UED ultimately took care of that, but the Protoss would have done in their stead. Plus, as much as people might want to pretend that SC2 isn't canon, we now know that Amon would have just taken control of the Zerg and obliterated life in the universe.
Sc2 is gay fanfic.
I wish the second Overmind didn't die 🙁
>Say the gay fanfic itself in human form
Yes. He also wasn't right when he, you know, forgot to text Artanis and friends that he was going to start a second civil war because Raszagal had become a mind slave. For such a talkative 'toss he chose an odd time to just clam up and start killing his brethren.
My greatest enemy.
An anime schoolgirl with psychic powers
>Get Killed offscreen
I will never not be mad about this
Imagine considering everything that EA vomited out to be canon
This.
Nothing after tib sun was canon.
Except Generals which was in it's own universe and was aite.
>I'll build anywhere!
>Oh, can't build there sir
Alright, you get to clear demo traps for the rest o the battle. Have fun
This is not Slavik.
You know, for all the shit that EA did to industry, to Westwood and C&C, EA did listened to the backlash they received upon revealing in 2005-2006 the abomination they made, a full reboot of the series that was so revolting and had even less in common with previous games than the C&C3 we got, yet EA listened to the backlash, their answer was half-hearted nonetheless and the game from full reboot was turned into a half-hearted soft-rebbot with many retcons, but they did listened to some extent.
Yet, they still had one job, one fricking job, to please C&C fans a little bit more, all they needed to do is to say that this old guy is indeed Slavik, but then they killed him in 1/4-hearted Kane's Wrath addon by hands of a dumb Black person who killed him for revealing Black Hand, just for dumb Black person to proclaim its existence world-wide as true Brotherhood and also destroy all of Brotherhoods advanced technologies, from stealth-tech to anti-grav, Tiberium research and cybernetics tech.
C&C3 was gay and boring.
Tiberian Sun was fun and interesting.
Multiplayer homosexualS can suck a wiener and die.
The only C&C game I played multiplayer on was Renegade. It had the best multiplayer in any game ever, even future games will forever fail to match it.
My homie
I remember spending most of a summer holiday waking up early as frick every day to play it online with my school buddy. Great times
Renegade was fun. Far from gay and boring.
Call me a b***h but I like starcraft 1 Kerrigan
bitch
>Dosent take a telepath to tell what you're thinkin!
Kane did nothing wrong
Speaking of enemies who were right,
The Gaalsien prophecy was fulfilled in the end, though the Kushan did manage to survive.
The Coalition was driven by a genuine threat of the desert encroaching on the polar region.
Kiith Gaalsien had managed to survive in the desert with technology, but how viable would this be for the entire population, or how long?
K'Had Sajuuk predicted "an unimaginable hailstorm of fire and death." He was completely and correctly convinced that Kharak would be destroyed as a direct result of the Coalition's actions.
If I asked you plainly whether he was right, you wouldn't say "no," you'd sputter and say "w-well he wasn't WRONG, per se..."
>HW1
>solid space opera with ambiguous prophecy but ultimately a political drama between exiles and tyrants
>HW2
>pROPOHECSY, BRING SAJUIK TO BEAR, PROGENITORS
I think Deserts of Kharak did it right with secular vs religious conflict but just from the story trailer I'm somewhat convinced the writers have not learned anything from HW2
Dude was just too funny.
what do you have against toxins. have you seen what they put in food now?