What's your honest opinion on
Japanese depiction of elves in their settings?
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What's your honest opinion on. Japanese depiction of elves in their settings?
It's not consistent, but the aesthetics are always good. I want to hug an elf.
True. They never seem to do the whole ethereal, graceful, nature-loving, innately magical, giga-purity thing of LotR-style elves either, they just make them "blonde human but with longer lifespan and pointy ears"
That would be another rant, even their coombrained depictions are often lackluster. There is hardly any ethereal and sylph-like quality to them. Rarely any dignity or elegance. Or any regard to how an elf should be drawn differently compared to a human next to them. Standard anime faces, and if the artist usually draws thick or cowtitted females, he won't stop himself and maybe tone it down for the elves, he just lazily slaps pointy ears on the same exact body he draws anyway.
Lodoss did this pretty decently. Can't think of a single other example.
There would be something wrong with you if you wouldnt.
Oversexualized and clownishly exaggerated. But, most Japanese fiction is clownishly exaggerated, that's how it goes when a tradition-fixated culture's form of theatre is kabuki.
>moron who hates anime and Japanese culture posting on an anime website
Look how sensitive you are that someone pointed out why anime is all inherently silly.
Anime website
I'm annoyed by how often they're just humans with pointy ears, fat elves shouldn't be a thing.
Inferior in most instance and insultingly lazy. Their treatment in many works is also hurting my European soul.
Congrats posting an image with actual male elves in it, because their continued (implied) non-existence, either narratively or by simply not showing up at all, hurts Japanese elves so much. They are mostly relegated to harem-members and fricktoys for the self-insert MC and thus are never allowed to outshine him. Or anyone else. Turning them into an all-female race also continues the trend of making them a joke or poor victims of sexual power and debasement fantasies.
Really, for how Japanese elves tend to make them thousands of years old (much less it seems than many western fantasy settings that downgrade their age since Tolkien), they are very unimpressive overall, either being slightly good archers or slightly good mages (god-forbid something else), but you can guarantee that some human will be much better than them at whatever for whatever reason. Western fantasy can have that problem too of making them the punching bag for whatever the author wants to jerk off today, but Japs really have the elves be top-dogs.
Japanese elves that help the good races in their struggle against the armies of darkness? Rarely to be seen, they are just lazy buttholes doing nothing of worth all day. Elfen ruins? Legendary elfen swords and awe-inspiring elfen magic? Nope, just living in some mudhut, primitive villages.
Next part is that some of the Japanese elves that actually go against these trends aren't really elves and don't count (Elezen, Hylians).
They are just sad.
Feel like ranting.
Go look up some polls of most popular elf characters from anime and manga. It will be a she, and she will be there because she is paired up with some human that she is explicitly and implicitly in love with, or in some way part of his harem. Look at what people that argue for Japanese elves will post in here: waifus. And they are only popular because they love a human.
Yeah, you can probably pull some elf out of your arse that supposedly is very popular and isn't coupled with some human (or something else not elf. Frick, it shall never be a male elf), but I bet most people won't have heard of her.
What else is there?
If there are ever prideful, it's to humble them, or as a joke. But even that is often missing and they are just regular nice anime girls.
Are they ever wise? Is there truly an elf from a Japanese work that feels like an ancient being that has seen lots of shit and learned from it? Can be a teacher to the younger race?
They have no narrative purpose in most cases, they don't really represent anything, they have no role in their settings. They are just there because they have to and so that we get something more to sexualize and downgrade into the most childish variant of its initial expression in high fantasy literature.
If their fans praise something about them, then it's their looks and that's it. Rarely how they are written, rarely what they do, their deeds and their contributions to the setting, rarely what they encompass on a deeper spiritual or metaphorical level.
That's more a problem of the anime industry at large. Most works are aimed at otakus that have to buy merchandise so of course most characters are going to be female, fall into one of the token personalities and more or less be available for the self insert generic MC. The elf part is just a checkbox in designing the character. Add to that that fantasy works ahve been on the rise lately after a fairly long drought, but why is that? Isekai is trendy, everyone wants a share of the clammy neetbucks, so now everyone writes shit isekai works that, like already said, have to focus on anything but writing. This is not an excuse but with the media like it is now there's not much more to be expected.
you might like sousou no frieren
I do, and it does some things better in regards to writing elves than most other Japanese works. Hell, just taking the huge lifespan into account and making it matter instead of being just a meaningless number is already better than the vast majority of dumb isekai with some random elf in it.
It also has a lot of problems when it comes to writing elves that are already mentioned in these rants.
>complaining that elves are waifus for human men
>implying Tolkien would have a problem with that
Yeah, because that's exactly the only thing he ever wrote about when it comes to his elves.
>If their fans praise something about them, then it's their looks and that's it
And then the thread happens.
Well said.
I think i can only speak of Danmachi elves that i personally like without going into tryharding to be different for difference sake compared to the rest of coomer herd that plagues the media with elven depiction,id say regardless of the cooming i just wish male elves actually existed and did something or anything even.
Keep Yourself Safe brain rotten coomer
Like how large their ears are, love me some long ears. Western artists should take note, ab elfs ears shouldn't be shorter than Link's.
Although they are a tad one note, like anon said in . That said, i think /tg/ will place too much emphasis on world building and lore, when truth be told it's often better to do more with less. The goal of a GM should be convey as much as possible in the least amount of words that a player can still clearly understand, leaving the rest to player imagination.
But still, I'd be lying if I tried to convince anyone that Japanese Elves actually a good job at facilitating imagination to begin with. All the legitimately impressive settings from anime don't even have Elves to begin with, fantasy included.
I also like the longer ears, but Lodoss length is as long as I'm willing to go. WoW elf ears are too big.
>WoW elf ears are too big.
I've never seen the issue, especially within the context of RTS games and an MMO where I remember usually having my camera relatively zoomed out. If the ears were any smaller, I probably wouldn't even be able to tell it's an elf from a distance.
Which, well it's been muddied today, Warcraft was really on point about giving all the races extremely distinguishable silhouettes. Which is really important when players often cover themselves in whatever excessively designed armor they farmed for in the lastest raid.
But that more of Ganker related matter.
I agree in terms of the view distance when their models appeared in Warcraft 3. But the two-foot long sails on the sides of their heads just get a bit ridiculous when you get close.
That said, I still would a grape-flavored amazon elf.
Warcraft as a whole is a bit ridiculous when you look too close.
I'm sorry anon, but this pic was taken by anlther anon, in another thread. I just simply posted it because it looked cool. But I can post some pictures if it might help you find your way through the archives.
no dice on the searching, or I might not be doing it right.
Now it makes me curious just what are these books? Other then it's BECMI D&D.
Oh sorry, here take my link then.
https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/87206169/#87211960
If only we knew.
wait, nvm, found what they are.
the first three are a somewhat cut-down version of the Rules Cyclopedia, but with data only going up to 9th level, the one after is B-11: King's Festival, and all the rest is a Replay Series called "Apocalypse of Mystara"
Kinda wish that replay series could get translated.
Warcraft 3 Night Elves are so cool
where'd you get that book and where can I get scans?
lol, you're posting my images!
I ordered my Japanese BECMI D&D set on Ebay, and I am not going to scan them at this time since they cost me several hundred dollars to order. You can google "Japanese 80s D&D official artwork" and find almost every image though.
wait, that's the BECMI D&D set? Just have to ask, which book is which, then?
Those first three seen here
are what constitute the BECMI book here in the West. The rest of them are I believe a mix of adventure modules/replays (a Japanese novella retelling an adventure done primarily as a story. Those adventure modules/replays are far more boring in terms of art. Wish there was way more art in them (and wish WotC would release them as PoD on DM's Guild for funsies) but the art that is there is pretty good.
Ah, thanks anon for the save, talk about small board.
as always /tg/ is completely ignorant of anime
and thats a good thing
Being ignorant and speaking falsehoods is never good, no matter the topic.
Noldorgay is aware of Frieren. It makes him shit himself because the elves aren't Mary Sues
>shows up for a couple of chapters and then is never relevant ever again
I can pull out various male elves from anime and manga in some more important positions, doesn't really change that the vast majority of prominent elf characters are female.
I was waiting for him to rail the princess the whole series. Also isn't he base human?
Yep, another candidate for "would be a cool Japanese elf, but doesn't count".
To be fair "humans transformed by a diet of fey" is a pretty rad idea for elves.
>doesn't really change that the vast majority of prominent elf characters are female.
And why is that a bad thing?
because
>sex is le bad
That is a good anime, anon. Others should give it a look.
yeah, one insignificant side character.... in general anon is right in his rant. 95% of Anime Elves are coom bait.
Based Take, good so see that some people here are not braindead.
Derivative and comfy, nips are the only ones keeping OD&D alive
Posters like hate on it because they have boring ideas that people don't like so they get mad at what people do like
His ideas are
>elves, but monstrous
>elves, but trolls
>elves, but faeries that eat people
>elves but
There's a pattern in how badly the elves that tends to create are, they are intentionally subversive and trying too hard, it causes them to resent people who don't put nearly as much "thought" into creating their world because the truth is more people would rather watch a derivative elf than what garbage this anon will ever create
On how many levels of strawman are you?
Ask yourself that question next time buddy, don't worry, I'm sure that world you are building is great, your friend loves it
Okay, where is
>His ideas are
>elves, but monstrous
>elves, but trolls
>elves, but faeries that eat people
>elves but
Any of that said?
Where is anything subversive in that post?
The entire post is subversive, from him attacking japanese elves as an attack on him as a European
>Their treatment in many works is also hurting my European soul.
To him treating comedy series and series who races of all people are treat lightheartedly as some sort of statement on the Japanese wanting to sexually abuse women
>Turning them into an all-female race also continues the trend of making them a joke or poor victims of sexual power and debasement fantasies.
To him completely, arbitrarily disregarding exceptions that prove him wrong because it doesn't fit his narrative
>some of the Japanese elves that actually go against these trends aren't really elves and don't count (Elezen, Hylians).
This is a disingenuous loser of a poster who sniffs his own farts of the world he is creating to an audience of no one, bitter that he would be better if given an opportunity.
>but where is any of the examples you listed?!
He has fled, because, worse than his opinion, he was found out, called out, for the unlikable hack he is, he likely does have a story with ugly troll like elves, and is embarrassed to be found out and dismantled, his opinion comes from a mouth shaped like an anus
Nah, I'm still in this thread and you didn't address any of the points I was making in my previous post.
>This is a disingenuous loser of a poster who sniffs his own farts
Lmao, read your own posts.
I'm responding to you like you deserve, which is reflective of your popularity
Okay, let's start simple.
Where does that post say:
>His ideas are
>elves, but monstrous
Please only directly quote the initial post.
You are a gay elf enjoyer that hates the male gaze and uses it to rationalize your racism, that's your elves but monstrous
Oh boy, I fell for it.
>critisize Japanese elves
>they attack the posters instead
You pretty much have no argument in favor of them.
I just want my elves to be traditional a la Tolkien. Japs elves are good when they try but isekai elves are trash without flavour.
>isekai elves are trash without flavour
That's more of a statement about isekai than it is about elves, isekai tends to be more referential to other isekai than traditional works
>traditional
>Tolkien.
Thanks for showing that you know nothing, the Japanese elves are closer to tradition than Tolkien's.
>Japanese elves
Which ones?
Most of them, in ancient legends, elves were just immortals.
Tolkien's are also immortal. I do not see your point. This from a Japanese elf defender.
homosexual, it's obvious what I meant.
In the original legends the elves were a people who were immortal.
That is the only thing that will differentiate them from humans.
Tolkien's elves have many things besides their immortality that differentiate them from humans.
I missed the "just."
yeah
>Contrarian on Ganker thinks he knows better mythology than Tolkien but it's completely wrong
Many such cases.
Yes, Tolkien's elves were not similar to the legends on purpose.
No, in the traditional Germanic lore where Elves are from they aren't just immortals. They were supernaturally beautiful beings closer to nature spirits or lesser gods than to humans, and pre-Christian and even still for awhile long after official Christianization Nordic peoples made offerings to them similarly to how they made offerings to other gods and spirits.
They were never thought of as nor described as just-humans-but-immortal before modern Fantasy literature. It's akin to saying Nymphs in Greek Mythology were just immortal humans.
I'm talking about the oldest myths.
elves but humans with long ears
and they live much longer than humans, at least ten times longer.
>Elezen don't count
ok
A man who does not read any Japanese works.
Elf cute. Which is better than most western writers manage, at least.
true
Pretty to look at, but most usually they are depicted as snooty humans who just so happen to live a long time or merely as the object of desire for the self insert protagonist. Rarely do they touch on how they only look like humans and as such do not think or act the way we do, for why would they? This is hard to pull off so I can't really blame them.
i like the larger ears and more relaxed orientation of them
They branch out and do different things with them which I find great instead of Tolkien Ripoff #89501
Show me some Japanese elf that isn't an anime girl (or boy) with pointy ears.
We had fat elves (as a joke) before your shitty monster-girl fetish manga.
Yeah, Danmachi elves are pretty good in comparison to the rest. They are at least walking nukes of arcane destruction. In general it does its races well, even just with playing them straight. But at the end day, most of its elves are again just potential candidates for the MCs harem.
>most of its elves are again just potential candidates for the MCs harem
this makes no sense
Have only watched the anime, if there are more in the LN's that I'm missing, then excuse my post.
Ryuu, Lefiya and Eina are certainly harem candidates. Riveria is out, Filvis is for Lefiya.
I know, there are more less important and background elf characters, but that goes for any works.
That may be, but what else is there for "Japanese elves"?
How are sword world elves, to keep it /tg/?
Maybe video game elves from Japan are doing a bit better.
I am not familiar with games, I don't usually play JRPGs, don't own a PS so no unicorn overlord (that supposedly has elves I think), are there elves in dragon's dogma? Can't even remember, but races there were not exactly varied or explored by what I remember, don't know about the sequel. It's sad that one of the last hopes for elves from japan would have been being inserted in some from software game, but they're not interested in elves at all apparently.
Unicorn Overlord actually really surprised me with its elves. Still a larger focus on female characters and then there is the entire dating aspect of it with two of the elfen leaders lusting after the MC (although not being the thirstiest of all female characters), and one half-elf character whose father of course was the human.
Then you actually enter the elf-realm and talk with the elves there. Their opinions about humans are varied and understandable. Some of them dislike them because they brought war and misery (the evil empire did that) and because they are still enslaving and raiding elf villages. Others have their opinions changed by the good actions of the main characters and his liberation forces and say that there are as many good and bad humans as there are good and bad elves. Others are outright thankful for the Liberations efforts.
Then you talk to the humans stationed there and it's actually funny how you get generic soldier girls lusting over elf guys, having elf boyfriends or Ser Ithilion being one of the few characters that actually marries in the epilogue, and it's his human girlfriend.
The elf units are fun and versatile, both Eltolinde and Rosalinde, their religions head priestesses being arcane powerhouses. They have this whole thing about being split physical-magic going on, which can lead to doing subpar damage until you optimize them. But the elfen fencers and archers are also great support units with many useful abilities and a versatile range of gear to equip. You can fit them almost anywhere and make them useful.
You were surprised because you are ignorant of Japanese culture.
You are a typical Redditor who watches only harem and complains that anime is only harem.
>Ryuu, Lefiya and Eina are certainly harem candidates. Riveria is out, Filvis is for Lefiya.
Lefiya is a love rival you idiot.
My argument and opinion comes by reading the light novel wich can be quite different compared to the anime.But what i love about danmachi is that the elves are both steriotypical(tolkien tier and average isekai slop elf(they just cumbawds)) and not so and at the end of the day they are just a different race living in a world where frankly the gods isekaid themselves there.Most of em have affinity for magic and while some can be "Made for human wiener" alot of em will go ultra instinct on anyone non elven that touches em case in point look at the difference between lefiya's village and the village where ryuu comes from.They are also obv not super long lived but long enough but they are still very beautiful to look at and are high in terms of being regarded and be good virtued.I can go on much longer but no outside of ryu wich their time together at being stuck at death's door and also her journey and life(her old familia captain words of holding on to whomever is able to freely touch you,bell is also just a genuinly good person at heart and great ontop of constantly getting his ass handed nonstop but keeps on growing and being well good.The story isnt a harem regardless of the typical anime harem bait its a story of bell wanting to grow alongside ais is why his special power came and is still there.
Best wishes and cheers its hard to be more specific without typing an entire novel of word salad.Take care and God bless.
Thanks for your post. But Bell certainly has something like a "harem", multiple female characters that are in some way romantically interested in him. Even if they aren't all tagging along with him as his personal female guard.
Because the structure narrative is mythical that way Bell is a hero because he is one he is to me the superman of anime/manga/ln/wn not in terms of powers but of who he is and what he does people like and flock to him because in this dogshit city in a place where gods can see you deep inside and use you as their plaything and command you etc etc he goes beyond it.Its true in the earlier volumes he wanted a harem of his(due to his growth with zeus who is obv a horndog)but he quickly drops that after seeing ais and wanting to be strong alongside her and also to love and protect and nurture his family,his familia.
Yes eina loves him for he studies hard and grew thanks to her and takes heed and works and appreciates eina's job at making sure to minimize accidents and deaths or wrongdoings inside the dungeon and again bell is just fricking great and an icon at how fast he is growing in terms of prowess and fame(both good and infamous(xeno arc))hell she even got promoted due to bell lmao and sits with the big boys of the guild.Hestia again loves bell for bell but also because where everyone rejected her and shat on her and they where both alone they found eachother,haruhime is indeed okay with concubinemaxxing but she is also growing as a character and powerwise and even tho she was regarded as a prostitute only to be bound inside a soul gem and be forever shatterd and gone he risked going in what would look like Albania going to war againts America to take over the pentagon.
Lily's story is especially heartwarming.
I can go on and on nonstop anon but while one can indeed say they all harem members or just tag along,its not about that they all grew and still grow and are in a much much better spot then they once where before bell met em,they owe him so much just like he owes them for being family and helping him across its arcs.
Obv it has its anime tropes but its anime and you gotta appease the brain rotten otakus to make a foot in and be big in order to start
I just think they're neat.
That's amusing. From where did you get it?
Artist goes by Kreotoxism
I like the more "hard-featured" elves like Arshes Nei from Bastard! I think the japs do this sort of thing better than western ones.
Based fellow Arshes and Pirotess enjoyers.
love choco elves
Choco elfs are best elfs.
Stop remaking this thread.
when you stop responding to it
ive never seen an anime
I very much enjoy japanese elves and find it flattering that they would become so inspired by myths from the other side of the planet that they show such a liking for them.
Truly a free and global exchange of ideas benefits us all
>so inspired by myths from the other side of the planet
>japanese elves
Lmao.
>that they show such a liking for them
Not with the horrible things they do to them on a regular basis.
cumbrain
false
zero interest in your seething noldorgay
You pulled
>so inspired by myths
out of your arse. At least western fiction occasional goes back to the roots instead of copying budget D&D elves.
>do not reupload
Straight to jail, OP.
It says
>do not repuloadi
should have writed it bigger
>writed
This ESL shit is so common now I can no longer distinguish whether it's ironic or not.
I really don't understand why English has kept multiple different past-tense forms. The past-tense of write should be writed. It makes no sense at all to change a vowel in the middle of the word to an "o" to make it past-tense, rather than using the normal "ed" suffix.
The correct past tense of
sentence would be "should have written it bigger" assuming we only want to correct the errors contained in the word "write" and not the other multitude of grammar frick ups in that sentence. The fact that that (I assume) brown monkey creature had the wherewithal to write "should have" instead of "should of" already puts him on par with your average zoomer.
It's to preserve etymology.
99% of people using a language don't care about that, for any given language.
It's because the people alive during the shift thought "writed" sounded moronic.
Didn't ask, don't care. Either use my language right or don't use it at all.
use my language correctly*
Anyways, no, your language is not sacred, and it will be completely unrecognizeable to you 500 years in the future, as will most. You can shit and piss your pants now, if you'd like.
This isn't "ESL shit" this is more "The younger generation has no idea how to spell or write" shit.
Literal frickmeat. Japan has made elves into gooner target no. 1. Anytime I see elves in ttrpgs (Mind you it also speaks to the caliber of person playing the elves) I am immediately assaulted by either elven hyper-fetishism, or I get Legolas. Nothing in-between.
Get your fricking head checked.
Dubs checked but cool strawman into GoW but I agree rehashing and reinventing the wheel has led to stale depictions.
>but cool strawman into GoW
Why do you see it as a strawman?
What's a gooner?
A homie who beat dey dick all the time.
Anime has been one of the worst influences on fantasy in history.
there's a whole anime this season devoted to the question, "Elf slave, wat do?"
>Elf Slave, Wat Do? the anime
I will now watch your anime.
>elf slave, what do
I remember that time. can you newbies believe people used to call that time cancer while in contrast to now, its was comparatively much, much better?
I long for the days where /tg/ at least had the appearance of getting shit done.
Two nukes, not enough.
The fact that you think this art is better and that meme shows that you are a redditor.
… nobody said that.
Damn, this will be a fun thread.
are you stupid?
is this your defense?
normalgay are more moronic every day.
Please don't interpret too much into small little posts that tried to convey something else entirely.
But yeah, thread will be just bait and shitposting.
You are the one who started the bait and shitposting, newbie.
Where?
>Two nukes, not enough.
How is that bait? Of course, I don't really want more nukes dropped on some country. It simply expresses my dislike of a certain existence of an anime. And that is my honest opinion.
The post itself might not contribute much, but do you really think it counts as shitposting?
And how did you get to
>The fact that you think this art is better
?
That meme started as bait, newbie.
And how did you get to
>The fact that you think this art is better
You can't even think for yourself.
Do I have to teach you how to use Ganker?
>That meme started as bait, newbie
What meme? Two nukes, not enough? Prove that it's exclusively used as bait. You know these expressions can be used in various contexts, right?
>You can't even think for yourself
Then explain yourself.
Well don't keep us in suspense, what does he do?
maid outfit, home cooking.
as of episode 4 he literally frees her as soon as he is capable of doing so (finding the key to her collar)
episode 5 will probably be him realizing he misses her and 6 will be a reunion because he forgot the part about how she has literally nowhere else to go, what with her being deep in another country and her village, which hated her, already being destroyed.
it's another
>slavery is actually cool and some people are better as slaves
-story
Honestly the characters are surprisingly fleshed out for what it is.
incredibly fleshed out for a trash anime made to appeal to socially awkward otakus?
t. seething redditor
Elephant talk thread
Pratchett had the right idea, keep them alien and use dwarfs if you want humans but with differences.
The edges landed down japanese version of elves isn't really much different from the western fantasy portrayal of them (I'd love to just blame american writers but barely anyone does interesting elves)
Remember Soul Music when it was implied elves were out and about and it was plausible they fricked other races? All for the "Elvish=Elvis" joke.
>Anglo "humor" at work
Can't believe /tg/ tricked me into believing these were good books
Sorry, maybe if we do some good old American "humor" of insulting white people for the millionth time, it would make you laugh?
Elvis is medieval Scots for 'Elf'
It's not even really a joke, that's just what his name means.
Alfred and all the other English names stating in Alf or Aelf also mean "elf"
I am so fricking tired of the constant flood of setting discussion that never actually translates to any real application in any games played by real people. We should just ban these threads altogether or keep them contained in a single general.
>ban setting discussion threads reeeeee!
So we can have yet more 40K or MtG threads? Oh, frick off.
I think that some of them are good fapbait, but I almost never engage with them on a sincere level beyond that because of how humanlike they are. Frieren was one of the only recent manga/anime to even attempt to make elves ancient beings of power rather than coombait. And it did a good job of both.
The problem is the Japanese do not take modern Western fantasy seriously, 90% of modern fantasy in anime is in comedies.
I'd say it's more that Japanese are stale. They use the same set of tropes and play in the same sandboxes with different topics. That's why you can always immediately identify characters and behaviours, eg, tsundere. It's autism categorisation and probably linked to what
says about kabuki.
nah, that's a cope from you.
Westerners are worse with their tropes, nowadays all their characters are written literally the same.
Characters written by [insert dumbass politicized group] are stale and repetitive, characters written by sane people are fine.
The art industry at large is stale. Look at what's coming out now. In the east, a bunch of mediocre stuff designed to sell models to coomers, with surface-level design differences being dictated by what is cool at the moment (like fantasy isekai now), other stuff includes adaptations from light novels that are almost always the same apart from the media it came from. Can't really blame them completely because the author wants to see his work published and the publisher wants that stuff to sell, so they play it safe. But this led to the anime market as it is now, self-referencing works that keep using the same ideas and characters, and the blame is in no small part on the fans that rise up if genre conventions are subverted. Everything has to be the same because the people buying want it to be like that. They're going to buy the figurine of Tsundere#2361 exactly because she's the same character with different hair.
In the west we've had a long release of reboots and sequels (some of them coming after decades), both movies and games. Most of them are crap that change things with no other reason than "bring them closer to modern audiences", and that either removes the charm, completely invalidates any message from the base source or flat out ruins the whole thing. That's without even mentioning the trend of pushing political and social issues. Again, the market is like that because everyone wants to play it safe, so they use the old name of a brand or series to push something different. Take God of War: a decent action game that tells the story of a father that wants to be left alone with his son, and explores the relationship between them. Can be cool, I won't deny that. But it's basically unrelated with the original apart from the protagonist's name. The curious thing in the west though is that people actually is not enjoying the trend, in general, but they keep churning out stuff in the same way, and lose a shitload of money in the process.
nah, anime is still fun.
It's all good that you don't like anime or how the Japanese make fantasies, but I don't understand why waste time writing all that.
Just ignore what you don't like and enjoy the art you like.
That's a decent load of wrong assumptions that I have no idea how you got from what I wrote.
To be honest, I didn't read your paragraph. That's why I tell you it's a waste of time, no one is going to read all that.
I don't remember creating a twitter account.
If you don't like my answer then don't create an off-topic paragraph that looks like it came from reddit.
Learn to read.
Are you stupid? If I couldn't read, I wouldn't be able to answer you.
I don't plan to waste my time and energy reading your complaints.
I read it. It made sense. I will take his contributions over yours, thank you very much.
90% trash and waifu bait
10% 'good'
Dark elves always suck because they're actually never really 'dark' if they're actually in it
>Except meshi for using it as a slang and because they actually have DARK elves
Fortunately I don't watch trash so my eyes remain unmolested by offensive material
If rather read Western books featuring elves, the only relatively interesting manga I've read was 'my slow life as an elf'
Which is technically isekai but it never focuses on it and like literally decades pass by in like a chapter
I think it captures the long-lived aspect really well
>Also had more elves and they turn into spirits once they 'die'
MC is also OP without it taking too much away from the story, can be a little too SoL though
Shouldn't this thread be better in Ganker?
>the only relatively interesting manga I've read was 'my slow life as an elf'
You kind of leave out that the MC is a "High Elf" that out "elfs" even the more common elves he encounters throughout the world.
They're lewd so I like it.
Nice! Another noldorgay melty thread!
The same goes to slop as well.
Here's your elf slave, bro.
I'm here to collect lust inducing elf pictures. Please post more.
Here's one for the road anon.
I wish that the manga explored the canaries a bit more
I like this depiction of elves in a Japanese-made setting.
Otherwise, I couldn't give less of a shit.
Other people can do whatever they want with their settings.
I don't give a shit about settings in games.
I make my games how I want, as everyone else in this hobby should.
The only good thing about it is that you got the occasional titty monsters from it, and some classic waifus.
Japan seems to care a lot less if their Elves are Tolkein like, or some inversion of your idea of what elves are, or even if its some fresh take on elves.
They dont even care if they have actual personalities outside of self inserting or coombait on average or are just abit too on the nose with escapism,elf or no elf regardless of said character race in the setting.
Funny how even then they manage to make more interesting and memorable elves than the west.
What an awful opinion.
That's what a person without taste would say.
What is there to be tasteful about the Japanese's take on elves? For every actually dignified and elegant elf you could post I could summon five moronic bimbos and victims of sexual abuse.
What is there even to be interesting and memorable about Japanese elves?
There are so many posts in this thread that already point at all their problems.
>dignified and elegant elf
kek
I'd agree if we were talking about ancient depictions like those in Mabinogion (not exactly an elf but it shares the same archetype) and of course LotR but most modern western elves are just unwashed xenophobic rednecks.
>critisize Japanese elves
>never explain to why there are supposed to be good, always resort to attacking western elves instead
This is what happens every time we have this thread.
Maybe no one bothered explaning because you could read the thread instead of asking to be spoon fed.
Anyway, I prefer the Japanese ones because they're generic and archetypical. They're what most people expect an Elf to be. Good at magic, beautiful, keeps to themselves, likes trees, and all that regular traits.
I don't care for your very original alien feys, the familiar is fine.
Funny, I dislike many Japanese elves for not doing what I expect elves to do or have. And that's not exactly interesting or memorable either.
>inb4 that wasn't me
Don't care.
Have you considered that, as a person ranting about elve depictions in Ganker, you're considerably more geeky about them than most people?
This is /tg/, why the frick do you even use the word "geeky"?
Yes, we should be autists about topics here.
Oh boy, if you name four shitty ecchi isekai anime where the elf is just another harem-member I'm going full Feanor on this thread.
Sousou no Frieren is about humans
>They're what most people expect an Elf to be
Humans with pointy ears?
You're forgetting they need to be have either blonde hair/fair skin or silver hair/dark skin.
Other color schemes indicates they're succubus.
>What is there even to be interesting and memorable about Japanese elves?
>And that's not exactly interesting or memorable either.
I remember the Elves that helped me jerk off very fondly, and most of them are Japanese.
>i have a crippling porn addiction the post
Rent free moron i never mentioned western elves you mentally ill schizo,you've gooned so much your brain got fried and you cant read for shit.And yea surely they indeed out mog lotr elves and other dnd tier chink copy cats in your head.Keep yourself safe mate.
Now try again without buzzwords.
Grow some neurons,schizo or should i type to you in schizo ancient runes and post moe cumbawds?
The funny thing is im even on the side of defending and mentioning better counterpart of elven depiction from japan(My danmachi mentioning and explanation as to why i like em)compared to your mentally ill deflection and brain rot.Keep Yourself Safe broski.
Elves are long-lived so they can oneeshota a grown up human man like me.
I despise Japanese fantasy but at least I buy that elves are hot in Anime.
All generic fantasy races are bad.
What's your honest opinion on
Japanese depiction of demons in their settings?
I think they tend to be more interesting since they are basically just old school Youkai/Fairies rather than Christian strawmen.
Anime demons are incredibly varied and are basically just a catch-all term for "main enemy fantasy race", like the Demons in Demon Slayer are not traditional demons at all, they're just vampires.
Aura's e-girl design really took me out of it. Haven't read the manga past the point where the anime ended yet but there's apparently a pretty good arc involving demons again so I'm keeping my expectations open.
>Demons in Demon Slayer
I mean, that's translation issue. They're mentioned in JP as vampires and onis, not demons.
Frieren did it better than most by making them completely irredeemable. It shows them as almost human and they can mimic humans just enough to elicit empathy and even sympathy, but are utterly incapable of actually feeling those emotions themselves.
>swinging axe
>when setting have laser beams
lmao
Raising this complain on board that was founded on 40k is perhaps a little absurd?
40k doesn't really take itself seriously, in a good way.
Even then, except for some meme units like Krieg the ones fighting with melee weapons are the likes of super soldiers in power armor and demons, not common soldiers.
I guess it's the difference between a Jedi swinging a sword into a battle, and a Clone/Storm Troopers doing the same.
Not everyone can use magic. And just because some can use magic doesn't mean they have any common sense.
The hero who slayed the demon king didn't use magic and he didn't have a prophesied sword. He was just that good. It's got great non-magic heroes.
>generic anime girl with horns
Yes, that's the point of the design.
I like it. Japanese often manage to capture their otherwordly grace that's equal parts alluring and unnerving. Western depictions of demons are usually just Balrog clone #52371.
what is the source on this?
'dont bother if it is actually e-girl or some shit
It's actually supernatural abomination of indeterminable age whose primary physical form is that of a little girl.
Is that the name or a description?
a clarification
Then do you have an actual sauce?
Tokyo Akazukin
Anon, Japan didn't even know that cubi were a thing until Darkstalkers. Everything that is 'alluring and unnerving' about Japanese demons was adapted from an elevator pitch an American gave when explaining what a succubus was.
In fact just about every western mythological creature is based on old descriptions given to them. It's why they still default to orcs as pig like instead of greenskins you see in western works, or kobolds as dogs instead of the midget lizards most westerners think of.
>USA elves
maybe the Stormcloaks were right...
after reading a bunch of Forgotten Realms books I've concluded that a lot of people regardless of gender want to bang elves
moon elves>other elves>drow, in that order
even the drow want to frick surface elves
Korean Elf needs more K-pop facial features.
Most are cumbawds with horns but the japanese youkai shenanigans or mixture of em with euro demons can be intresting and fun,overall i like em when the good niche is found and done.
Elf ears erogenous.
It's true. Ed Greenwood confirmed it somewhere
The Western depiction of elves is increasingly "+Dex, -Con," but anime elves are closer to Tolkien's depiction, which was "humans but strictly better"
>but anime elves are closer to Tolkien's depiction, which was "humans but strictly better"
That's just blatantly wrong and I don't know where to begin.
>Everything is human centric
Yeah, that's anime and manga.
There are barely any fictional Japanese works that focus on elves and with elves as main characters. That's one problem with their depiction.
>There are barely any fictional Japanese works that focus on elves and with elves as main characters.
NTA, but I can name four anime that came out the last two years that have elves as the main character. Meanwhile, outside of Warcraft and Warhammer novels, I can think of frick and all regarding western elves.
Why are we pretending that Japan elves are worst than Western ones? When was the last time we saw a good elven character in Western media? Everything is human centric or freak show now.
I don't want to out myself as someone who plays crpg's but...
Only contrarian homosexuals will whine about BG3.
It's popular, not good.
Even without getting on Ganker level shit talk about woke stuff, the underlying system of the game is fricking DnD.
But it was good.
It got popular for a reason.
Sure, being beholden to 5e's gameplay held it back in some regards but to say it's bad it just petty contrarianism.
>held it back
now that's an understatement.
Oh and whining about "woke" just makes you look like a moron.
Frick that meaningless buzzword and frick any dipshit who totes it out.
Ganker was so prudish around that game, acting like being able to frick a bear was the end of common decency and civilization. Reminded me of the 80s when playing D&D marked you as a satanist in suburban households.
Half of Ganker doesn't even play video games. And well more than half of /tg/ doesn't play tabletop games. Both just whine and b***h about what they're told they're supposed to be angry about.
Anon, BG3 uses DnD 5e and Forgotten Realms. They removed alignments and evil races. Only reason game was half decent was thanks to Larian. And they already announced they won't be making a sequel or DLCs. Tells you everything you need to know about that dead IP.
I mean, Shadowheart is okay. But she is a half-elf. Otherwise Forgotten Realms is closer to freak show than fantasy.
Better than anything the west has put out in decades.
Haven't seen enough of them, why don't you recommend me some shows or movies with them and I'll tell you when we inevitably have our next elf thread in a week or two
I think the author of Dungeon Meshii might be lesbian for female elves
>lesbian
Nope. Like most women she likes to self-insert as an elf/half-elf.
Yeah, most women love being inserted by an Elf and have a half-Elf.
You joke, but vampires being so popular among women prove you're right.
Elves are over used, replace them with Angels.
I liek big tiddy goth angles
>created a big tiddy goth angel as the protector goddess of his plane
Sorin was based
Biblically accurate angels have small breasts.
The bible is written by fallible humans. Peter (probably) had flat chest fetish.
All named angels in the bible were dudes anyways.
Michael, Gabriel, Raphael.
You're right, but they'll get hit with the same issues, guys like
would be mad that they aren't biblically accurate versions of seraphim or some Jodorowsky fever dream like pic related
The zeitgeist behind what the average joe considers an angel is bad to
, everything must be transgressive, everything must be pushing some sort of boundary otherwise it's boring, stale, lazy, regressive, because thats the kind of mindset he has adopted to his own works
These kinds of people never create anything that can connect to other people because they lack the social quality of humanity that allows them to connect to others, they believe originality is the only metric to sincerity, all while they live a life no one pays attention to
Make angels reclusive immortal race content with praying and living a peaceful and humble live for thousands of years but get away with it because they're really powerful. In other words, the polar opposite of of innovation.
Angels are too servile and YES-SUH MAS-SUH towards humanity, they literally fill the same storytelling role as a magical Black. Plus their direct connection to God or Heaven forces them to be lameass bureaucrats with wings. They have the power to level cities and wipe out populations, sure, but they have to ask daddy's permission first.
Elves meanwhile are just Humanity+, which is way more interesting and leaves some room for interpretation.
Hot take, Elves in anime are better takes than their jtrpg counterparts
Based. They understand elves are an NPC race and that fantasy is meant to focus on humans first and foremost.
What is the purpose of the elven race in a fantasy world, from a meta perspective?
Humans but better? Good guy race to balance out the existence of a bad guy race?
>from a meta perspective?
Depends on the setting
As an ancient race, they can be responsible for all the great, awesome and awful things happening in the past, leaving behind them elfen ruins to explore and plunder, with magical trinkets and amazing elfen weapons and spells in them. These ancient evils from past times? The elves sealed them away, but now some have slipped past… adventure ensues, where you have to meet with the elves to learn how to banish said evil. And other plot-relevant secrets of yore.
They can indeed be used as some kind of idealized humans to hold up a mirror to all the very human flaws, in some attempt to better ourselves and shape us in their image. But also possessing flaws grander and more terrifying than ordinary humans usually possess.
This can also be done in that elves aren't perfect, but they have simply done all the mistakes we are going to do and learned from it. So narratively, they can work as a race of mentors and teachers. But writers also like to use that position so that humans can one-up them and show them how to do it better anyway.
As the nature-loving race, they can for instance embody being in-tune with nature without being primitives or moronic barbarians, being able to smartly coexist with nature instead of shaping it to our advantage (and thus despoiling or corrupting it). Or go more feral while still maintaining a facade of civilization.
You can also go the TES route and make them philosophically and spiritually opposed to humanity, but that's more setting-specific. The advantage of using elves for that, instead of some monstrous or strange race, is that the superficial alikeness makes the rift appear deeper and more tragic.
The first part of your text is not true, there are not many stories of elven ruins.
but the rest of the text you are right.
>The first part of your text is not true, there are not many stories of elven ruins
FR has entire regions that are destroyed elfen cities, and campaigns centered around them.
This is /tg/.
That is not unique to the elves in that world, all races have a glorious past that only ruins remain.
that's why it has that name.
>all races have a glorious past that only ruins remain.
Orcs?
It is to create a contrast with the dwarves.
Why does everything need "purpose"? Look around you when you're outside and genuinely tell me everyone you see has "purpose" if you can.
>What is the purpose of the elven race in a fantasy world
another option for players to play as and an archetype for them to interact with
Unattainability and conservatism. Elves are conceptually the beautiful perfect people. They are the image that everyone wants to strive for, until you meet them. Individual elves are fine, they will adapt and change with the group, but the larger the concentration of elves the more traditional and unbending they become.
Elves living for such a long time means that they are careful and their society is stagnant. Elves don't have much ambition because there's no positions to rise to. That's why individual elves travel around to try to find opportunity elsewhere.
Elves are basically China from history compared to the humans from Europe.
You have a good point.
>JP Elf: Lust inducing
>EN Elf: Ugly
Thus the nipponese superiority has been objectively proved.
>mfw people here actually defending bugmen chink chong tier copy paste garbage to garbage with 0 thought and going againts and shitting on the basis that art and creation is all about
>mfw all they do is attack the guy with RLM tier y-y...ou need to do it like nip salary man nr. 203859 did not like all the great fantasy authors that created the bedrock,salary man knows best with his how i grabbed a sword and became the greatest knight of the world and married an elven princess.
Maybe we have so much garbage recently in terms of creating due to gaygs like these 2 who are againts what set out for us to enjoy and build fantasy as it is through people who strived.
Thanks for the laughs i love how only bootlicking garbage and throwing dogshit garbage fallacies at that guy is the only thing you tards did instead of arguing againts him with actual thought and genuine desire for the better.Thank you truly for the laughs,im sure salary man making another fantasy/isekai will truly be the light in making kino.
Redditor
Where do you think we are?
The image that says it all.
Bro your elves in 2024?
Sure doing great!
The anime is going to be so bad but we might get some decent OVAs from it.
Depends where it stops, it kind of fell apart after a point because there were just too many fat fantasy ladies who all had the same schtick (they're fat, vaguely trying to lose weight, and they like MC)
Like I enjoyed the premise but it's too repetitive after a while. Then again its a perfect depiction of fat morons trying unsuccessfully to lose weight, so...
I think when we get the Cyclops is where it kinda falls off. I think she was the first "duplicate" girl.
Left is more interesting.
Please explain, and be sincere.
Well, you don't need to anymore.
What if I enjoy both, like I have shit like this saved but elf bawds too
>loose elves underneath practical yet elegantly adorned equipments
Nice.
Thats a guy I think, I mainly saved it because I thought the set up with all the adventuring tools gives me comfy feelings, I was originally reply to
with picrel because he didn't specify what kind of lustful inducing elf pics
This isn't really what all of this is about, it's how well they are written.
You can jerk off to dumb bimbos with pointy ears for all everyone cares, but you probably wouldn't say that they are a well-written fantasy race.
They are both garbage.
Appearance of left with skillset and personality of right. This is how I elf
If you followed any kind of waifuhomosexualry discussion, you will know that the supposed fans will dumb her down into a one-dimensional caricature of the left until nothing of the right is left.
That's how Japanese elves started. It's always a downwards spiral.
I ship the left with the right
sure, but the left tops (by virtue of having bigger dick)
I like all elves. Japanese elves are cute and funny, western elves are sexy and elegant.
Mine is elfier. Wish it were higher res.
why are elves rarely depicted as a nomadic culture?
Because Tolkien, despite his hatred of allegory, unintentionally made them an allegory for the Classical views of nobility. Something innately better than the common peasantry.
And authors since then tend to have elves represent a people who attained great heights and whos civilization has fallen from them. See: elves in Lord of the Rings compared to Silmarillion
But to keep the nob theme, they maintain their old world arrogance and stubbornly refuse to leave their ancestral lands.
And so hack writers are stuck copying Tolkien.
At least 40k managed to do it decently well with the Craftworlders roaming the stars trying to create new toeholds for their ancient civilization, all the while being such arrogant c**ts that their own homosexualry is their undoing.
Because the cultures with elf folklore weren't nomadic. That was a factor at least
kingdom under fire dark elves are at least semi-nomadic
I like Korean elves the most.
Elves don't make for good protagonists because they live such a long time. Most problems can be solved by waiting and deliberating. They make for good side characters though.
Do you have an example? I don't know any.
I only know them from multiplayer video games. I just like the look of them.
A character I can think of is Azena/Inanna from Lost Ark
>Azena/Inanna from Lost Ark
Better than that shotacon ayyln
It's funny that this moron hates female elves, when that was their traditional representation.
Yeah. Most old depictions of male elves are as magic rapists too.
we have to bring that back
You have Drow and dark elves for that
And the dark eldar of Warhammer make 120 days of sodom look like a children's book
Some of the elves were thought to just seduce men to sleep with them.
Other ideas were that elves live among humans. They're just long-lived and fair.
Finnic mythologies consider elves as spirits that reside in everything. Trees, boulders, homes, even people. She was a (playful) being that would protect you and try to help you. She would communicate with you in indirect means like dreams or the wind blowing. Basically a fairy-pet from an MMO they picks up your loot.
Most of the time they fail with the theming and elves are aesthetics. It's like how they'll have a cat eared race. It's shallow.
There are exactly two anime that get elves right or at least make them interesting and both just came out this year. They're both exceptions.
Usually current anime fantasy is just "mmo" inspired settings, which keeps them shallow. Races in that are just cosmetic and aren't that different from each other. You can tell when instead they're inspired by DnD because elves are suddenly actually elves and not just a fetish bait thing like a girl in a bunny suit.
>It's like how they'll have a cat eared race. It's shallow.
shit taste
Anon has a point. Their 'totally not just a human with animal ears' have the most barebones explanation for why they exist and why they are inevitably endangered/oppressed/enslaved/hunted/all-of-the-above.
Some backstory would help justify their place in society and why they are like 90% just humans but animal ears.
Even danmeshi gave something. It wasn't much but it was still more than what we normally get.
I don't like them. I like my own.
I feel like Elves are pretty much just 'fantasy white people' for people who have whatever the inverse of yellow fever is.
And Dark Elves are there so that elves can have a flaw (racism) and there can be some brown beauties.
Otherwise I feel they don't really get fleshed out. I'd also prefer that if Elves are gonna be fetish bait that dark elves at least be more black with dummy-thicc asses.
Don't like that 90% of them have ears pointing completely to the side or downward; just looks weird.
This is quite impressive in the skill of the artist.