always? you don't really mean always. Paper Mario does a great job of doing it. Persona and Pokémon as well.
The industry would get 10 times better if California were to be nuked out of the surface of the Earth.
silicon valley is in California where the frick would they go? Even if games were made by developers cross-country and pooled together in one resource It wouldn't change the way they're made or that California stigma.
Walking sims are great when done well, the lack of gameplay enhances the story telling aspect
That's fricking moronic. go read a book at that point. Games are games If you want to have the story take priority interweave it into the gameplay.
"Cinematic" games can be good if done right.
agreed I don't like when cinematic games are blanketly labeled as movie games because movie games are a very certain type of game.
Witcher 1 is the best game in the series
Mass Effect 1 and 3 are better than Mass Effect 2. Same with the Silent Hill trilogy
Chrono Trigger is not a good game, it's only liked due to nostalgia
Black Souls 2 is a solid contender for the title of the best JRPG of all time
Lobotomy Corporation is a more fun game to play than Library of Ruina
Dark Souls 1 is still the peak of the series
no that would be Witcher 3
I'll agree with you on Mass effect but you're moronic if you think one and three are both better than two in regards to Silent Hill.
Don't know about the rest but Dark Souls 1 is up there I don't know whether to say Bloodborne is better though.
Silent Hill 1 and 3 have better atmosphere and gameplay than 2. 2 has the best story, but as a game it pales in comparison to the other two
Bloodborne would be on par with Dark Souls 1 if it ran in 60+ FPS
The atmosphere goes to 2. 1 is a good contender but I'm not going to entertain the idea of 3 having a better atmosphere with its abandoned mall aesthetic. and to be honest all the gameplay in the Silent Hill games up to like the 360 ones are mediocre for me. I don't really consider the flame rate problem because I don't think it is one like obviously it does suck but I've been playing games at 30 FPS since I was a child and while I love being able to play games at 60 and 165, 30 is not the end all be all
2's only real standout was the historical society. Meanwhile, apart from its somewhat weak first area, 3 had some of the best locations and spooks in the series. Especially the return to the hospital - it blows 2's completely out of the water, despite being set in the same location. I was disappointed in how weak 2's hospital compared to 1's, but 3 managed to redeem the area for me
Perhaps a stable 30 FPS wouldn't be much of a problem, but Bloodborne had the tendency to heavily drop frames on a base PS4
they were pretty interesting but I don't think it surpasses the amount of fear and intensity that 2 provided. I would also say there were much more standouts than that. I will say though the preferred ranking for me is 2, 3, 4 and then 1. I might be biased though because I'm very much a story focused person when it comes to Silent Hill. gameplay was never the strong suit so two and three very much carried for me but two I think just had more tense and fearful moments.
"a good game but not a good [x] game" is a braindead moronic statement.
there are ways that it works but some people don't know how to do it properly
>go read a book at that point
I read plenty of books, it's a completely different experience. >Games are games If you want to have the story take priority interweave it into the gameplay.
I'd argue exploration and puzzling together the story and events is a form of gameplay, I'd even go as far as to say it's the most pure form of connecting story and gameplay as there are no distractions.
It's literally casually walking through whatever set design the game has and then that's it that is boring as shit. puzzling together events is not gameplay. >I'd argue that puzzling together the story and events is a form of gameplay
then you would be wrong. it can be but I don't think intuitively trying to understand the nature of a story is gameplay. that would mean that anybody who watches a complicated movie is engaging in some active gameplay by just thinking about the story. gameplay fundamentally is a series of mechanics and interactivity that require your direct participation. It's not simply a series of events that are happening. It's the purest form of story I will give you that, but it is not anything close to approaching gameplay.
Not only does TLOUII have good writing, it's one of the few games that actually has a daring story
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daring story short but they massively fumbled it.
Playing video games is a uniquely unfulfilling hobby, they are certainly fun but are emptier than doing almost anything else recreationally
this is a dog shit argument. fulfillment derived from a hobby is going to be up to the individual.
>always? you don't really mean always. Paper Mario does a great job of doing it. Persona and Pokémon as well.
Having to sit there with your wiener in your hand, taking assloads of damage / crits because your attacks missed / rolled on the low end of their damage range is fricking rage inducing. If I get wiped in an RTS, or shooter, or rpg it was likely a literal skill issue, not because a dice roll chose to frick me extra hard at that moment
maybe you're talking about something like final fantasy but most turn-based stuff that I've played didn't do that.
If I disagree with something that a lot of people think, and I have not changed my mind about it despite all of those people disagreeing with me, then obviously what I have is not an opinion. I'm right and they're wrong, and I have no interest in arguing with those who are wrong. I'm not going to ask you to agree with X, I'm going to tell you X.
The writing is good. The theme is thoroughly explored from all angles, even literally from two different character perspectives, and it leaves you with a memorable message about getting caught in the circle of violence. It was overly bashed by high school drop outs who literally don't know what a character arc is and think plot holes are the peak of criticism.
>always? you don't really mean always. Paper Mario does a great job of doing it. Persona and Pokémon as well.
Having to sit there with your wiener in your hand, taking assloads of damage / crits because your attacks missed / rolled on the low end of their damage range is fricking rage inducing. If I get wiped in an RTS, or shooter, or rpg it was likely a literal skill issue, not because a dice roll chose to frick me extra hard at that moment
There are some games that have turn based elements (i.e. Total War) but the core of the gameplay is realtime.
For an action game or RPG, full time or nothing.
The "4 homies standing in a row" genre is especially trash. Tactics games (XCOM, FFTA) are bearable but still disliked
Witcher 1 is the best game in the series
Mass Effect 1 and 3 are better than Mass Effect 2. Same with the Silent Hill trilogy
Chrono Trigger is not a good game, it's only liked due to nostalgia
Black Souls 2 is a solid contender for the title of the best JRPG of all time
Lobotomy Corporation is a more fun game to play than Library of Ruina
Dark Souls 1 is still the peak of the series
DS1's combat is slow and tactical, as opposed to the later entries' frantic action, and it has the best level design in the series. The atmosphere is on par with Bloodborne
>DS1's combat is slow and tactical
enemies are also a lot slower, I don't see what's tactical about it, it's about positioning well that's for sure but there isn't much more to it, not enough to be considered tactical >the best level design in the series
it completely shits the bed in the second half though, both design-wise and artistically >The atmosphere is on par with Bloodborne
DS has a great atmosphere but Bloodborne is both great and really original as far as videogames are concerned, dark medieval settings are a lot more common
no aesthetic is original if you break them down like that
what I'd rather talk about is how many game went for that aesthetic
RDR is also original considering how few western games there are
I mean, from my point of view this means nothing. If it's a good game, it's worth checking out even if it's lackluster in the context of the trilogy. It's the same with so many other games people use this argument with. I feel like it's a lazy way to dance around the real reason why people criticize the game. >Sonic Lost World >Fallout 76 >HLA >YLAD
If I disagree with something that a lot of people think, and I have not changed my mind about it despite all of those people disagreeing with me, then obviously what I have is not an opinion. I'm right and they're wrong, and I have no interest in arguing with those who are wrong. I'm not going to ask you to agree with X, I'm going to tell you X.
If you're saying we've had good releases I probably wouldn't agree but it's always good to be in the current year and an adult laying video games because you can go back and collect all the past ones.
>the new god of war games are an absolute downgrade in gameplay, story and aesthetic. >undertale is a juvenile piece of queerbait shit with mind-numbingly easy combat and a shit story. and the music is nothing special. >none of the gta games are that good, red dead is better. >metal gear solid as a series makes for entertaining nonsensical bond-esque stories but the gameplay is trash. thief is definitively better as a stealth game, and with a more interesting world and story to boot. >sekiro is bland and boring. the game live and dies on one mechanic and once you've mastered that mechanic, the game is a breeze that's completely lacking in variety. not very interesting aesthetically either. >dark souls 3 is the worst game FROM has made since demon's souls. >bioshock 1 is fun but insanely overrated. 2 is better in every conceivable way. >assassin's creed was shit immediately after the first game. the only one that came close to decent after 1 was black flag. >the new jedi games are atrociously bad. jedi outcast and dark forces remain the best star wars games. >that telltale walking dead game sucks. all telltale games do. the novelty of le interactive movie is not interesting and the stories are always so contrived and shit. >star fox is the only good nintendo IP. >the classic megaman series far outclasses the X series, and every X game after the first one sucked ass. >the persona series is wretchedly bad. any SMT spinoff or entry past IV is bad too. >the jensen deus ex games are shit. >dead rising 2 is the only fun one. >beyond good and evil is undeserving of its cult classic status. >UMvC3 is the ONLY good capcom fighting game. >the only good MK games are MK2 and MK9. maybe trilogy if you don't care about balance. >tekken is historically the most consistently quality fighting game series out of any series in the market, with samurai showdown as a second. >the hate for the DmC reboot was overblown and unnecessary. >legion is the best and last good WoW expansion.
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>the new god of war games are an absolute downgrade in gameplay, story and aesthetic. >undertale is a juvenile piece of queerbait shit with mind-numbingly easy combat and a shit story. and the music is nothing special. >none of the gta games are that good, red dead is better. >metal gear solid as a series makes for entertaining nonsensical bond-esque stories but the gameplay is trash. thief is definitively better as a stealth game, and with a more interesting world and story to boot. >sekiro is bland and boring. the game live and dies on one mechanic and once you've mastered that mechanic, the game is a breeze that's completely lacking in variety. not very interesting aesthetically either. >dark souls 3 is the worst game FROM has made since demon's souls. >bioshock 1 is fun but insanely overrated. 2 is better in every conceivable way. >assassin's creed was shit immediately after the first game. the only one that came close to decent after 1 was black flag. >the new jedi games are atrociously bad. jedi outcast and dark forces remain the best star wars games. >that telltale walking dead game sucks. all telltale games do. the novelty of le interactive movie is not interesting and the stories are always so contrived and shit. >star fox is the only good nintendo IP. >the classic megaman series far outclasses the X series, and every X game after the first one sucked ass. >the persona series is wretchedly bad. any SMT spinoff or entry past IV is bad too. >the jensen deus ex games are shit. >dead rising 2 is the only fun one. >beyond good and evil is undeserving of its cult classic status. >UMvC3 is the ONLY good capcom fighting game. >the only good MK games are MK2 and MK9. maybe trilogy if you don't care about balance. >tekken is historically the most consistently quality fighting game series out of any series in the market, with samurai showdown as a second. >the hate for the DmC reboot was overblown and unnecessary. >legion is the best and last good WoW expansion.
>the new god of war games are an absolute downgrade in gameplay, story and aesthetic.
Correct >undertale is a juvenile piece of queerbait shit with mind-numbingly easy combat and a shit story. and the music is nothing special.
The music is pretty good, but only when used in-game. The game excels in its presentation, but flounders in everything else >none of the gta games are that good
Correct >red dead is better.
Wrong >metal gear solid as a series makes for entertaining nonsensical bond-esque stories but the gameplay is trash. thief is definitively better as a stealth game, and with a more interesting world and story to boot.
Correct >sekiro is bland and boring. the game live and dies on one mechanic and once you've mastered that mechanic, the game is a breeze that's completely lacking in variety. not very interesting aesthetically either.
Wrong >dark souls 3 is the worst game FROM has made since demon's souls.
That'd be 2 >bioshock 1 is fun but insanely overrated. 2 is better in every conceivable way.
Correct >assassin's creed was shit immediately after the first game. the only one that came close to decent after 1 was black flag.
2 was a downgrade from 1, but still pretty good >the new jedi games are atrociously bad.
Correct >jedi outcast and dark forces remain the best star wars games.
That's be KOTOR and Republic Commando >that telltale walking dead game sucks. all telltale games do. the novelty of le interactive movie is not interesting and the stories are always so contrived and shit.
Correct >the persona series is wretchedly bad
Correct >the jensen deus ex games are shit.
Wrong >beyond good and evil is undeserving of its cult classic status.
Correct >the hate for the DmC reboot was overblown and unnecessary.
Overblown, but completely necessary
>The music is pretty good, but only when used in-game.
it's beepboop shit like anything else. far more impressive bit-music soundtracks exist in far better games. >The game excels in its presentation, but flounders in everything else
I think the presentation is tryhard and sophomoric. LISA, which I also don't find to be that good, basically does the same thing better. >>red dead is better. >Wrong
it just is. they may not be the 10/10 masterpieces people praise them to be but they're the best versions of what rockstar actually intends to achieve. >Wrong
defend it then. >That'd be 2
2 plays better, has better PVP options, overall better variety, better music, better bosses. the only thing up to debate really is presentation but 3 is so boringly grey and brown. "that's the point" you might say, but the point fricking sucks because it's aesthetically uninteresting. >2 was a downgrade from 1, but still pretty good
if you say so. the story went full autism and the gameplay became cookie-cutter. should've been a one-and-done game rather than a franchise. >That's be KOTOR and Republic Commando
they're good in their own right but they don't excel at creating an accurate and evocative experience to the extent that the games I mentioned do. they're top 5 though, original battlefront 2 as well. >Wrong
I will say I was being a bit exaggerative but they definitely do not stock up to the original in any regard. as prequels they fail, the story is interesting but is full of holes, and the gameplay in itself is just sort of okay. >Overblown, but completely necessary
not really. it's not like the DMC people love was never coming back. it was always just a side-thing. gay men seething about their twink protagonist of choice looking different and using that to discount an entire game is just cringe.
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I genuinely do think the state needs to intervene and regulate gaming to some degree. You should be forced to consume real literature and cinema, not just children's media like gaming. It's not good that people in their fricking 30s are addicted to shit like WoW or LoL.
You should only be able to legally game for three hours at most.
The writing is good. The theme is thoroughly explored from all angles, even literally from two different character perspectives, and it leaves you with a memorable message about getting caught in the circle of violence. It was overly bashed by high school drop outs who literally don't know what a character arc is and think plot holes are the peak of criticism.
lmao uh no
Bethesda are the only devs who can pull off open world RPGs
It hasn't but if you think it's not an insult then I guess good for you.
A lot of ppl are genuinely just depressed and call every game SHIT because they're projecting their miserable worldview onto everyone else.
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>The music is pretty good, but only when used in-game.
it's beepboop shit like anything else. far more impressive bit-music soundtracks exist in far better games. >The game excels in its presentation, but flounders in everything else
I think the presentation is tryhard and sophomoric. LISA, which I also don't find to be that good, basically does the same thing better. >>red dead is better. >Wrong
it just is. they may not be the 10/10 masterpieces people praise them to be but they're the best versions of what rockstar actually intends to achieve. >Wrong
defend it then. >That'd be 2
2 plays better, has better PVP options, overall better variety, better music, better bosses. the only thing up to debate really is presentation but 3 is so boringly grey and brown. "that's the point" you might say, but the point fricking sucks because it's aesthetically uninteresting. >2 was a downgrade from 1, but still pretty good
if you say so. the story went full autism and the gameplay became cookie-cutter. should've been a one-and-done game rather than a franchise. >That's be KOTOR and Republic Commando
they're good in their own right but they don't excel at creating an accurate and evocative experience to the extent that the games I mentioned do. they're top 5 though, original battlefront 2 as well. >Wrong
I will say I was being a bit exaggerative but they definitely do not stock up to the original in any regard. as prequels they fail, the story is interesting but is full of holes, and the gameplay in itself is just sort of okay. >Overblown, but completely necessary
not really. it's not like the DMC people love was never coming back. it was always just a side-thing. gay men seething about their twink protagonist of choice looking different and using that to discount an entire game is just cringe.
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not even and the fact that you have to result in bullshit buzzwords because you get off on being a contrarian is lazy. You're not enlightened for being different.
>lmao uh no
So when you said "argue" you really just meant shitpost. Good. I'll be leaving then dumbfrick.
no wait honey come back I actually do have an opinion it was just a joke. although it's been a while. It explores the themes but it really doesn't do anything interesting with them and it makes Ellie a bigger hypocrite than Joel was in the beginning
>it makes Ellie a bigger hypocrite than Joel was in the beginning
Is that somehow something bad?
People act like characters being wrong is bad writing. Ellie is a hypocrite exactly like her foster father was. She went through a frickload of trouble only to figure out she wasted her time at the very end. This isn't bad writing, the characters are just well written shitty people.
I agree but most games today are just shit. AAA at least. it's not doomer-think when anyone can see for themselves that the industry is disgustingly corporatized in a way that discourages innovation or uniqueness. most great studios of prior generations have either closed or gotten absorbed by bigger companies and turned into slop-workers for the next big, safe, committee-approved AAA tripe.
Most indie games aren't even visible because the average gamer (at least on Steam) only plays 5 games per year. Statistically no one even engages with the indie scene
yes, and the grand majority of consumers look to AAA games for their few, limited purchases of every given year. and most of those AAA games suck. not to mention the sheer amount of trainwrecks a lot of the games have been at launch. >not even and the fact that you have to result in bullshit buzzwords because you get off on being a contrarian is lazy. You're not enlightened for being different.
you got what you put in. it's evident you have little to say about anything you disagree with. the thread's literally about contentious opinions and yet your brain just shuts down when confronted with them. "contrarian", lol. contrary to what you'd prefer in your bubble, maybe.
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It hasn't but if you think it's not an insult then I guess good for you.
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no wait honey come back I actually do have an opinion it was just a joke. although it's been a while. It explores the themes but it really doesn't do anything interesting with them and it makes Ellie a bigger hypocrite than Joel was in the beginning
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no I do but in my defense you posted like what 9 10 12 different things. That's a lot to dissect I'd have to make a second post just to connect with the first one. you also didn't expand on them. that other person that replied to you basically did the same shit. If you want though I'll gladly dissect exactly what I don't like about your opinions
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there's enough information to give a frank and brief reply. just saying you disagree might as well be something you say to yourself, tells me frick-all.
tell you what, sport, pick 3 or so of the ones you hate most and we'll have at it.
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Undertale is a uniquely philosophical game that interweaves the gameplay with the perception of mind set of the player more than any other game in history. Everything about it is pretty good.
GTA games are good for their missions and story which most all of them are successful in.
The gameplay of the metal gear solid series is a little clunky but it's extremely entertaining once you get the hang of it.
I think sekiro succeeds in the catharsis and once you master the gameplay of Dark Souls in general it becomes easy It's not really anything to comment on.
Dark Souls 2 is extremely worse not only is it poorly designed it is extremely boring. 3 was over stuffed but it was good.
There's a moronic meme that BioShock 1 is somehow less than 2 when that's just false. The only thing the sequel succeeds that is being better gameplay wise The themes story setting etc is still better in one
assassin's Creed 2 and Black flag are genuinely one of the high points of the series not only for the excellent writing but ezio himself is a great protagonist
as someone who's not a fan of telltale games I was thoroughly surprised and enjoyed The walking Dead one for the excellent compatibility storytelling between Clementine and Joel they outdid the last of us 100%.
Zelda Mario Metroid are extremely good IPs that have tons of classics under their names
3,4,5 not only exceeds in excellent gameplay and storytelling but they blend different elements into a perfection that only gets better with each release
human revolution and mankind divided are both pretty great. gameplay wise and character-wise.
I think it's less depression and more that people just physically don't have the attention to actually play every game that comes out. Even the most degenerate loser on Ganker might play at most 4-6 hours of a game for a day. Games, especially these days, demand a lot of attention mentally.
So they mostly just stick to their one and two favorites and call everything else shit to justify to themselves and to everyone else why they don't bother playing everything else. This is also why remasters work so well; companies know some people just want an excuse to replay games like P3, MGS3, BFBB, etc etc. It's a very safe choice for both the consumer and the producer.
Early Working Designs, Atlus, Enix, and Square/Woolsey translations billed as >literally the worst
by underage anons are the reason anyone remembers the first big JRPG wave to begin with, and why JRPG exists as a genre. If you wanna see what a literal translation that fits autistic sensibilities is like, try Sky Render's god-awful FFVI translation that removes 100% of the personality from the game. Even Japan forgot Lunar existed after Dragon Song killed the franchise, and the WD version of Wind Nocturne hitting Shii flashes/memes not only gave it a second wind, but was liked more
Majora's Mask doesn't deserve the amount of praise it gets. Many people treat it as the peak of the series and I think it's because these people think they're hot shit for picking a game that goes slightly against the norm for Zelda and is a little weird (by the way Link's Awakening did weird first and is leagues better).
Every single time a new Zelda game comes out these Majora's Mask fans try to come up with moronic theories on why certain items or characters are actually directly a reference to Majora's Mask, desperately trying to find crumbs of this overrated piece of shit in other games to validate that Nintendo hasn't forgotten about it.
Here's the actual most contentious gaming opinion, so much so anons will be thrown into a fury just from reading it: Uncharted is just Crash Bandicoot with humans
FPS games and shooters in general are overrated and stale, they all play the same way and they're infesting other genres with their awful gameplay because normalgays love it so much.
I don't know how to even respond to that I mean shooters are designed a certain way. they're obviously all going to play the same way It's you with a gun shooting something. There's little room for super dynamic control. overrated and sale though I don't really think so. I would say The god-awful genre mixing that we have now is much more stale and overrated.
The root cause of my frustrations with the shooter genre is aiming, it's not that I'm bad at it, I've played shooters for years both on Kb&M and controllers.
I realized that aiming makes any game that has it play very similarly to one another. The combat systems, movement options, pretty much every single aspect of the game takes a back seat to aiming. It locks your view in the direction of your aim. It has to be snappy meaning you can't have slow turn speeds without it feeling "clunky" to move. Having a unique combat system that relies a lot on animations to drive it becomes nigh impossible.
It's just better to separate the camera from the character, it allows for much more creative freedom.
I mean sure but that's something that is gonna be unchanging isn't it? I think most games do a good job at avoiding the general clunkiness. I can agree with the later part of that statement though
The problem is that it's the most popular video game genre in the world because of how easy it is to get into and how easy it is to carry over your skills to other releases, you ever have to learn to play a new shooter if you've already played one. As a result, devs/publishers streamline their games to be more like these ones instead of focusing on new and exciting types of gameplay. It's an issue of broad appeal over niche demographics.
Isometric is the worst fricking perspective. It has the worst possible immersion for a game where you control a single character. It is only suitable for old RTS games where you command armies.
Third Person (both behind the character and over the shoulder) and First Person are infinitely better.
Even side scrollers lead to a more immersive game.
It is for this reason that the Diablo series is a shitty RPG series and why the Gothic, Witcher and Elder Scrolls series are superior.
Turn based combat fricking sucks, always.
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always? you don't really mean always. Paper Mario does a great job of doing it. Persona and Pokémon as well.
silicon valley is in California where the frick would they go? Even if games were made by developers cross-country and pooled together in one resource It wouldn't change the way they're made or that California stigma.
That's fricking moronic. go read a book at that point. Games are games If you want to have the story take priority interweave it into the gameplay.
agreed I don't like when cinematic games are blanketly labeled as movie games because movie games are a very certain type of game.
no that would be Witcher 3
I'll agree with you on Mass effect but you're moronic if you think one and three are both better than two in regards to Silent Hill.
Don't know about the rest but Dark Souls 1 is up there I don't know whether to say Bloodborne is better though.
Silent Hill 1 and 3 have better atmosphere and gameplay than 2. 2 has the best story, but as a game it pales in comparison to the other two
Bloodborne would be on par with Dark Souls 1 if it ran in 60+ FPS
The atmosphere goes to 2. 1 is a good contender but I'm not going to entertain the idea of 3 having a better atmosphere with its abandoned mall aesthetic. and to be honest all the gameplay in the Silent Hill games up to like the 360 ones are mediocre for me. I don't really consider the flame rate problem because I don't think it is one like obviously it does suck but I've been playing games at 30 FPS since I was a child and while I love being able to play games at 60 and 165, 30 is not the end all be all
2's only real standout was the historical society. Meanwhile, apart from its somewhat weak first area, 3 had some of the best locations and spooks in the series. Especially the return to the hospital - it blows 2's completely out of the water, despite being set in the same location. I was disappointed in how weak 2's hospital compared to 1's, but 3 managed to redeem the area for me
Perhaps a stable 30 FPS wouldn't be much of a problem, but Bloodborne had the tendency to heavily drop frames on a base PS4
they were pretty interesting but I don't think it surpasses the amount of fear and intensity that 2 provided. I would also say there were much more standouts than that. I will say though the preferred ranking for me is 2, 3, 4 and then 1. I might be biased though because I'm very much a story focused person when it comes to Silent Hill. gameplay was never the strong suit so two and three very much carried for me but two I think just had more tense and fearful moments.
there are ways that it works but some people don't know how to do it properly
>go read a book at that point
I read plenty of books, it's a completely different experience.
>Games are games If you want to have the story take priority interweave it into the gameplay.
I'd argue exploration and puzzling together the story and events is a form of gameplay, I'd even go as far as to say it's the most pure form of connecting story and gameplay as there are no distractions.
It's literally casually walking through whatever set design the game has and then that's it that is boring as shit. puzzling together events is not gameplay.
>I'd argue that puzzling together the story and events is a form of gameplay
then you would be wrong. it can be but I don't think intuitively trying to understand the nature of a story is gameplay. that would mean that anybody who watches a complicated movie is engaging in some active gameplay by just thinking about the story. gameplay fundamentally is a series of mechanics and interactivity that require your direct participation. It's not simply a series of events that are happening. It's the purest form of story I will give you that, but it is not anything close to approaching gameplay.
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daring story short but they massively fumbled it.
this is a dog shit argument. fulfillment derived from a hobby is going to be up to the individual.
maybe you're talking about something like final fantasy but most turn-based stuff that I've played didn't do that.
ok lol
The writing is good. The theme is thoroughly explored from all angles, even literally from two different character perspectives, and it leaves you with a memorable message about getting caught in the circle of violence. It was overly bashed by high school drop outs who literally don't know what a character arc is and think plot holes are the peak of criticism.
>always? you don't really mean always. Paper Mario does a great job of doing it. Persona and Pokémon as well.
Having to sit there with your wiener in your hand, taking assloads of damage / crits because your attacks missed / rolled on the low end of their damage range is fricking rage inducing. If I get wiped in an RTS, or shooter, or rpg it was likely a literal skill issue, not because a dice roll chose to frick me extra hard at that moment
There are some games that have turn based elements (i.e. Total War) but the core of the gameplay is realtime.
For an action game or RPG, full time or nothing.
The "4 homies standing in a row" genre is especially trash. Tactics games (XCOM, FFTA) are bearable but still disliked
The industry would get 10 times better if California were to be nuked out of the surface of the Earth.
Who’s tax dollars would fund your state then moron?
Hi Ron Desantis
Mega quake soon
Walking sims are great when done well, the lack of gameplay enhances the story telling aspect
wait till you find out about movies and books, your mind will be blown
"Cinematic" games can be good if done right.
Witcher 1 is the best game in the series
Mass Effect 1 and 3 are better than Mass Effect 2. Same with the Silent Hill trilogy
Chrono Trigger is not a good game, it's only liked due to nostalgia
Black Souls 2 is a solid contender for the title of the best JRPG of all time
Lobotomy Corporation is a more fun game to play than Library of Ruina
Dark Souls 1 is still the peak of the series
Dark Souls 1 get shit on by BB and ER, DS1 is unfinished and mediocre
DS1's combat is slow and tactical, as opposed to the later entries' frantic action, and it has the best level design in the series. The atmosphere is on par with Bloodborne
>DS1's combat is slow and tactical
enemies are also a lot slower, I don't see what's tactical about it, it's about positioning well that's for sure but there isn't much more to it, not enough to be considered tactical
>the best level design in the series
it completely shits the bed in the second half though, both design-wise and artistically
>The atmosphere is on par with Bloodborne
DS has a great atmosphere but Bloodborne is both great and really original as far as videogames are concerned, dark medieval settings are a lot more common
nta but are you really going to tell me that Bloodborne is entirely original when it's literally just Lovecraft with goth aesthetic?
no aesthetic is original if you break them down like that
what I'd rather talk about is how many game went for that aesthetic
RDR is also original considering how few western games there are
"a good game but not a good [x] game" is a braindead moronic statement.
Mass Effect 2 is a good game, but not a good game for a Mass Effect trilogy about Reapers.
I mean, from my point of view this means nothing. If it's a good game, it's worth checking out even if it's lackluster in the context of the trilogy. It's the same with so many other games people use this argument with. I feel like it's a lazy way to dance around the real reason why people criticize the game.
>Sonic Lost World
>Fallout 76
>HLA
>YLAD
it should be but there are too many morons who are unable to look at sequels in a vacuum that it becomes a necessary evil
Not only does TLOUII have good writing, it's one of the few games that actually has a daring story
Playing video games is a uniquely unfulfilling hobby, they are certainly fun but are emptier than doing almost anything else recreationally
If I disagree with something that a lot of people think, and I have not changed my mind about it despite all of those people disagreeing with me, then obviously what I have is not an opinion. I'm right and they're wrong, and I have no interest in arguing with those who are wrong. I'm not going to ask you to agree with X, I'm going to tell you X.
Gaming in 2023 is the best in been in years.
If you're saying we've had good releases I probably wouldn't agree but it's always good to be in the current year and an adult laying video games because you can go back and collect all the past ones.
The only good games were made between 2010 and 2018.
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wow that's a lot of bullshit opinions
>the new god of war games are an absolute downgrade in gameplay, story and aesthetic.
>undertale is a juvenile piece of queerbait shit with mind-numbingly easy combat and a shit story. and the music is nothing special.
>none of the gta games are that good, red dead is better.
>metal gear solid as a series makes for entertaining nonsensical bond-esque stories but the gameplay is trash. thief is definitively better as a stealth game, and with a more interesting world and story to boot.
>sekiro is bland and boring. the game live and dies on one mechanic and once you've mastered that mechanic, the game is a breeze that's completely lacking in variety. not very interesting aesthetically either.
>dark souls 3 is the worst game FROM has made since demon's souls.
>bioshock 1 is fun but insanely overrated. 2 is better in every conceivable way.
>assassin's creed was shit immediately after the first game. the only one that came close to decent after 1 was black flag.
>the new jedi games are atrociously bad. jedi outcast and dark forces remain the best star wars games.
>that telltale walking dead game sucks. all telltale games do. the novelty of le interactive movie is not interesting and the stories are always so contrived and shit.
>star fox is the only good nintendo IP.
>the classic megaman series far outclasses the X series, and every X game after the first one sucked ass.
>the persona series is wretchedly bad. any SMT spinoff or entry past IV is bad too.
>the jensen deus ex games are shit.
>dead rising 2 is the only fun one.
>beyond good and evil is undeserving of its cult classic status.
>UMvC3 is the ONLY good capcom fighting game.
>the only good MK games are MK2 and MK9. maybe trilogy if you don't care about balance.
>tekken is historically the most consistently quality fighting game series out of any series in the market, with samurai showdown as a second.
>the hate for the DmC reboot was overblown and unnecessary.
>legion is the best and last good WoW expansion.
>the new god of war games are an absolute downgrade in gameplay, story and aesthetic.
Correct
>undertale is a juvenile piece of queerbait shit with mind-numbingly easy combat and a shit story. and the music is nothing special.
The music is pretty good, but only when used in-game. The game excels in its presentation, but flounders in everything else
>none of the gta games are that good
Correct
>red dead is better.
Wrong
>metal gear solid as a series makes for entertaining nonsensical bond-esque stories but the gameplay is trash. thief is definitively better as a stealth game, and with a more interesting world and story to boot.
Correct
>sekiro is bland and boring. the game live and dies on one mechanic and once you've mastered that mechanic, the game is a breeze that's completely lacking in variety. not very interesting aesthetically either.
Wrong
>dark souls 3 is the worst game FROM has made since demon's souls.
That'd be 2
>bioshock 1 is fun but insanely overrated. 2 is better in every conceivable way.
Correct
>assassin's creed was shit immediately after the first game. the only one that came close to decent after 1 was black flag.
2 was a downgrade from 1, but still pretty good
>the new jedi games are atrociously bad.
Correct
>jedi outcast and dark forces remain the best star wars games.
That's be KOTOR and Republic Commando
>that telltale walking dead game sucks. all telltale games do. the novelty of le interactive movie is not interesting and the stories are always so contrived and shit.
Correct
>the persona series is wretchedly bad
Correct
>the jensen deus ex games are shit.
Wrong
>beyond good and evil is undeserving of its cult classic status.
Correct
>the hate for the DmC reboot was overblown and unnecessary.
Overblown, but completely necessary
>The music is pretty good, but only when used in-game.
it's beepboop shit like anything else. far more impressive bit-music soundtracks exist in far better games.
>The game excels in its presentation, but flounders in everything else
I think the presentation is tryhard and sophomoric. LISA, which I also don't find to be that good, basically does the same thing better.
>>red dead is better.
>Wrong
it just is. they may not be the 10/10 masterpieces people praise them to be but they're the best versions of what rockstar actually intends to achieve.
>Wrong
defend it then.
>That'd be 2
2 plays better, has better PVP options, overall better variety, better music, better bosses. the only thing up to debate really is presentation but 3 is so boringly grey and brown. "that's the point" you might say, but the point fricking sucks because it's aesthetically uninteresting.
>2 was a downgrade from 1, but still pretty good
if you say so. the story went full autism and the gameplay became cookie-cutter. should've been a one-and-done game rather than a franchise.
>That's be KOTOR and Republic Commando
they're good in their own right but they don't excel at creating an accurate and evocative experience to the extent that the games I mentioned do. they're top 5 though, original battlefront 2 as well.
>Wrong
I will say I was being a bit exaggerative but they definitely do not stock up to the original in any regard. as prequels they fail, the story is interesting but is full of holes, and the gameplay in itself is just sort of okay.
>Overblown, but completely necessary
not really. it's not like the DMC people love was never coming back. it was always just a side-thing. gay men seething about their twink protagonist of choice looking different and using that to discount an entire game is just cringe.
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Japanese games are unplayable with the original dub because japanese sounds fricking moronic to anyone who doesn't speak it
I genuinely do think the state needs to intervene and regulate gaming to some degree. You should be forced to consume real literature and cinema, not just children's media like gaming. It's not good that people in their fricking 30s are addicted to shit like WoW or LoL.
You should only be able to legally game for three hours at most.
no thanks China.
lmao uh no
double lmao uh no
I mean China has pretty much won on the world stage, so...not much of an insult lol
It hasn't but if you think it's not an insult then I guess good for you.
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not even and the fact that you have to result in bullshit buzzwords because you get off on being a contrarian is lazy. You're not enlightened for being different.
no wait honey come back I actually do have an opinion it was just a joke. although it's been a while. It explores the themes but it really doesn't do anything interesting with them and it makes Ellie a bigger hypocrite than Joel was in the beginning
>it makes Ellie a bigger hypocrite than Joel was in the beginning
Is that somehow something bad?
People act like characters being wrong is bad writing. Ellie is a hypocrite exactly like her foster father was. She went through a frickload of trouble only to figure out she wasted her time at the very end. This isn't bad writing, the characters are just well written shitty people.
>lmao uh no
So when you said "argue" you really just meant shitpost. Good. I'll be leaving then dumbfrick.
Give 5 good examples of open world RPGs that aren't formulaic and empty.
CDPR has some
Xenoblade series
The dragon age games
Bethesda are the only devs who can pull off open world RPGs
A lot of ppl are genuinely just depressed and call every game SHIT because they're projecting their miserable worldview onto everyone else.
Nope. Objectively incorrect. Media is objectively just getting worse now, and as a result people are becoming depressed.
I agree but most games today are just shit. AAA at least. it's not doomer-think when anyone can see for themselves that the industry is disgustingly corporatized in a way that discourages innovation or uniqueness. most great studios of prior generations have either closed or gotten absorbed by bigger companies and turned into slop-workers for the next big, safe, committee-approved AAA tripe.
Most games are not AAA...
and yet most indies releasing are trend-hopping garbage as well. your point?
Most indie games aren't even visible because the average gamer (at least on Steam) only plays 5 games per year. Statistically no one even engages with the indie scene
yes, and the grand majority of consumers look to AAA games for their few, limited purchases of every given year. and most of those AAA games suck. not to mention the sheer amount of trainwrecks a lot of the games have been at launch.
>not even and the fact that you have to result in bullshit buzzwords because you get off on being a contrarian is lazy. You're not enlightened for being different.
you got what you put in. it's evident you have little to say about anything you disagree with. the thread's literally about contentious opinions and yet your brain just shuts down when confronted with them. "contrarian", lol. contrary to what you'd prefer in your bubble, maybe.
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no I do but in my defense you posted like what 9 10 12 different things. That's a lot to dissect I'd have to make a second post just to connect with the first one. you also didn't expand on them. that other person that replied to you basically did the same shit. If you want though I'll gladly dissect exactly what I don't like about your opinions
there's enough information to give a frank and brief reply. just saying you disagree might as well be something you say to yourself, tells me frick-all.
tell you what, sport, pick 3 or so of the ones you hate most and we'll have at it.
Undertale is a uniquely philosophical game that interweaves the gameplay with the perception of mind set of the player more than any other game in history. Everything about it is pretty good.
GTA games are good for their missions and story which most all of them are successful in.
The gameplay of the metal gear solid series is a little clunky but it's extremely entertaining once you get the hang of it.
I think sekiro succeeds in the catharsis and once you master the gameplay of Dark Souls in general it becomes easy It's not really anything to comment on.
Dark Souls 2 is extremely worse not only is it poorly designed it is extremely boring. 3 was over stuffed but it was good.
There's a moronic meme that BioShock 1 is somehow less than 2 when that's just false. The only thing the sequel succeeds that is being better gameplay wise The themes story setting etc is still better in one
assassin's Creed 2 and Black flag are genuinely one of the high points of the series not only for the excellent writing but ezio himself is a great protagonist
as someone who's not a fan of telltale games I was thoroughly surprised and enjoyed The walking Dead one for the excellent compatibility storytelling between Clementine and Joel they outdid the last of us 100%.
Zelda Mario Metroid are extremely good IPs that have tons of classics under their names
3,4,5 not only exceeds in excellent gameplay and storytelling but they blend different elements into a perfection that only gets better with each release
human revolution and mankind divided are both pretty great. gameplay wise and character-wise.
>Zelda is bad now
>Souls games are bad now
>Mount and Blade is bad now
>Halo is bad now
Anyone who thinks gaming isn't dead is lying. It's not even a AAA thing, all art is just fricking dead.
I think it's less depression and more that people just physically don't have the attention to actually play every game that comes out. Even the most degenerate loser on Ganker might play at most 4-6 hours of a game for a day. Games, especially these days, demand a lot of attention mentally.
So they mostly just stick to their one and two favorites and call everything else shit to justify to themselves and to everyone else why they don't bother playing everything else. This is also why remasters work so well; companies know some people just want an excuse to replay games like P3, MGS3, BFBB, etc etc. It's a very safe choice for both the consumer and the producer.
Early Working Designs, Atlus, Enix, and Square/Woolsey translations billed as
>literally the worst
by underage anons are the reason anyone remembers the first big JRPG wave to begin with, and why JRPG exists as a genre. If you wanna see what a literal translation that fits autistic sensibilities is like, try Sky Render's god-awful FFVI translation that removes 100% of the personality from the game. Even Japan forgot Lunar existed after Dragon Song killed the franchise, and the WD version of Wind Nocturne hitting Shii flashes/memes not only gave it a second wind, but was liked more
It's so, so, so much worse now
Majora's Mask doesn't deserve the amount of praise it gets. Many people treat it as the peak of the series and I think it's because these people think they're hot shit for picking a game that goes slightly against the norm for Zelda and is a little weird (by the way Link's Awakening did weird first and is leagues better).
Every single time a new Zelda game comes out these Majora's Mask fans try to come up with moronic theories on why certain items or characters are actually directly a reference to Majora's Mask, desperately trying to find crumbs of this overrated piece of shit in other games to validate that Nintendo hasn't forgotten about it.
It used to be FO2 SUCKS, but that doesn't seem to be such a contentious opinion anymore. This new generation of zoomies can be pretty smart sometimes.
I don't mind Black folk. They're ok at games, they don't complain as much as whites, and they don't believe in sjw shit
90% of jap games are shit and the ones that aren't are usually better just because they emulate western media and ideals.
Here's the actual most contentious gaming opinion, so much so anons will be thrown into a fury just from reading it:
Uncharted is just Crash Bandicoot with humans
FPS games and shooters in general are overrated and stale, they all play the same way and they're infesting other genres with their awful gameplay because normalgays love it so much.
I don't know how to even respond to that I mean shooters are designed a certain way. they're obviously all going to play the same way It's you with a gun shooting something. There's little room for super dynamic control. overrated and sale though I don't really think so. I would say The god-awful genre mixing that we have now is much more stale and overrated.
The root cause of my frustrations with the shooter genre is aiming, it's not that I'm bad at it, I've played shooters for years both on Kb&M and controllers.
I realized that aiming makes any game that has it play very similarly to one another. The combat systems, movement options, pretty much every single aspect of the game takes a back seat to aiming. It locks your view in the direction of your aim. It has to be snappy meaning you can't have slow turn speeds without it feeling "clunky" to move. Having a unique combat system that relies a lot on animations to drive it becomes nigh impossible.
It's just better to separate the camera from the character, it allows for much more creative freedom.
I mean sure but that's something that is gonna be unchanging isn't it? I think most games do a good job at avoiding the general clunkiness. I can agree with the later part of that statement though
The problem is that it's the most popular video game genre in the world because of how easy it is to get into and how easy it is to carry over your skills to other releases, you ever have to learn to play a new shooter if you've already played one. As a result, devs/publishers streamline their games to be more like these ones instead of focusing on new and exciting types of gameplay. It's an issue of broad appeal over niche demographics.
yeah I'll agree with that. although I'll also say that it's a problem that's not just unique to shooters
Twilight Princess was the best one. Followed by Phantom Hourglass.
no that goes to wind waker.
Isometric is the worst fricking perspective. It has the worst possible immersion for a game where you control a single character. It is only suitable for old RTS games where you command armies.
Third Person (both behind the character and over the shoulder) and First Person are infinitely better.
Even side scrollers lead to a more immersive game.
It is for this reason that the Diablo series is a shitty RPG series and why the Gothic, Witcher and Elder Scrolls series are superior.
i agree. i see isometric, i sleep. it's just fricking ugly and screams I AM PLAYING A VIDEO GAME like nothing else.
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343i has never made an outright bad Halo game, only disappointing ones with great elements that are held down by other bad choices.
Civilization Revolution is unquestionably the only civ game worth playing
yakuza fell off after 4