When did 40k players start calling themselves "pilots"? Why do they think playing a board game is "piloting"?
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When did 40k players start calling themselves "pilots"?
When did 40k players start calling themselves "pilots"? Why do they think playing a board game is "piloting"?
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Literally nobody does this. You're just making shit up.
>When did 40k players start calling themselves "pilots"?
They don't.
>Why do they think playing a board game is "piloting"?
They borrowed the terminology from TCGs. Often playing a particular deck is referred to as "piloting a deck" - so the competitive 40k guys adopted this terminology (i.e "Piloting a list").
You're both wrong.
They do that?
IDK, but people who play card games also do that occasionally. Basicly a synonym to “I run/play a specific build”. You being the operator of a particular ship. Maybe its an investment thing, once you pay a few hundo you start using the word pilot because you basicly invested in a physical engine of some kind.
>They borrowed the terminology from TCGs. Often playing a particular deck is referred to as "piloting a deck" - so the competitive 40k guys adopted this terminology (i.e "Piloting a list").
We already have a word for that though. It's called playing a deck.
It reeks of insecurity and unwarranted self importance.
well, if anything it makes you sound like a frickin dweeb who can't even build their own deck. The connotation being that you're just following whatever flowchart the actual designer made.
>The connotation being that you're just following whatever flowchart the actual designer made.
Well, yes. That's how the competitive decks and lists are made. They're group efforts from a handful of top tournament players, who often all play at the same LGS, to help refine each other's lists and decision trees.
Tournament players are weird
Being a good pilot is different from being a good player in every aspect.
You can be really good at deckbuilding and theorycrafting and understanding the meta, but be terrible at picking out correct lines of play and playing around your opponent.
Likewise you can be really good at the pilot side but not able to build a deck to save your life (this is extremely common).
They are two different skills.
You play a deck. You don't pilot a deck. I don't care if you're bad at deck building it doesn't make it flying a plane when you play a deck someone else made.
I think you are missing the point of the analogy. Pilot originated as the term form the person who steered a (sailing) ship that later got adopted as the term for those steering airships and later airplanes. As netdecking became more and more popular, "rockstar" players who played decks that they didn't really understand but still won tournaments started being disparaged as "Pilots" by the "Mechanics" who actually designed the decks that were winning tournaments. "Pilots" in their minds did not deserve the credit they were getting for tournament wins as you could in theory have any other equally skilled player "pilot" the deck to victory and that the same pilot would have done far worse with a bad deck.
Idiots like
didn't realize that they were being insulted so started calling themselves "Pilots" because it sounded cool.
You'll never be on my level scrub. While me and mine are up here flying lists, we call you groundies.
>anon making stuff up
Very few players play original decks. Maybe before... 97? Around then the Dojo and IRC were getting info around to everyone and you were left out if you weren't studying tournament results/ reports. I didn't start hearing piloting til about 15 years ago. Very little lingo travels from magic to other games, but I've heard people into competative video game say "tech" or call something "broken" in the way we used it in MtG twenty five years ago. Meta as a standalone word might count too. Anyone know any other lingo that gets around?
Netdecking didn't really take off until post-2000 with the internet access and forums becoming widespread. By and large before then most players only saw what their local groups were playing and decklists published in magazines. While players might end up building similar decks, identical decks were very rare outside someone copying a published tournament winner.
Exactly. Pilots (especially fighter pilots) are infamous for attributing success to their own perceived ability and failures to perceived flaws in the machine.
in tcg's it's because often times the people making the list and the one playing it at a tournament are different people. it's basically the same reason a basketball coach isn't called a player, he's not on the court, and might not even be very good at feats of athleticism, but coaches are still useful since it's a different skill set.
If Combo Johnny autistically theorycrafts a new meta deck to steamroll an upcoming tournament and hands it off to his buddy Spike to play it, who ends up winning the whole thing, Spike is Piloting Johnny's deck.
Coming up with a strong deck or army list and executing on that plan and adapting to friction at the table are two different skills - moreso in wargames because of the spacial elements.
>It reeks of insecurity and unwarranted self importance.
Explain why. To me as a non-40k player it seems if anything the implication is more humble- "someone else built this, I'm just taking it for a drive."
Don't know about the origins of pilots in gaming, I haven't played MtG since maybe 97 and 40k since 4e, but IRL pilots have sometimes been portrayed as having massive egos. Take a look at the satyrical lyrics to "I'm a Pilot" by Dos Gringos
You're not taking anything for a drive. Its not a masculine activity like driving a cool car. You're not hacking anything. You're not a pilot. You're not crewing shit. You're not even brewing anything. You're playing games. Childrens games mostly. That's okay. They're fun. You're having fun. It doesn't have to be eXtreme to the powermax. None of the pretend hardcore words gamers have been using to sound cool are actual things being done, they're appropriation of more exciting activities that require more skill than just buying nerd products.
>You're not taking anything for a drive.
You seem to have difficulty with even the simplest of metaphors. l'd call it autism but that doesn't explain you being visibly upset about it.
>You're not taking anything for a drive. Its not a masculine activity like driving a cool car. You're not hacking anything. You're not a pilot. You're not crewing shit. You're not even brewing anything. You're playing games. Childrens games mostly. That's okay. They're fun. You're having fun. It doesn't have to be eXtreme to the powermax. None of the pretend hardcore words gamers have been using to sound cool are actual things being done, they're appropriation of more exciting activities that require more skill than just buying nerd products.
Corrections: Driving does not imply cool, unless you're in middle school. We do not hack. We do Crew. See pic
. Brew is debatable, it may have had use in D&D related colloquialism. I'm not sure you understand that we are not having fun. You essentially practice 40-60 hours a week, then do math at each other while trying not to do anything out of order for 10-12+ hours. One by one all the losers slink away into the night, the winner is lonely at the top. It's tournament magic, a whole bag of dicks. Are you a 40k guys who think MtG and 40k have similar tournament scenes? I've met some of those 40k guys. They're chill, friendly, they like to paint all day and hang out. That's not tournament MtG.
If I can win on a rules technicality, I will shout JUDGE in your face, tell them you presented me an incomplete deck because you dropped a card by accident or whatever petty slight rule you messed up. If you don't think that's extreme, join us. Try having fun while paying to be involved in what I've described. Bring your kids and pay their entry, not my business, don't care as long as they're numbered, registered, and rated like everyone else. Have "fun."
lol you think I think competitive ttg is a worthwhile thing at all. lmao even.
You're not tough or special or hardcore. You do database management mixed with being an office dipshit with fantasy paint. You pay to do it. Its hilarious.
You're not crewing anything. You're not doing anything hard or involved or masculine. I don't even care about those being essential parts of being, but its absurd you have misidentified it and been trapped into it as a consumer identity.
Words mean things. I'd say annoyed more than upset. You're annoying. There's no real hope in convincing you to stop being annoying, you're already fricked. Same with the hardcore pilot. This is just so anyone almost moronic enough to want to fit in so badly they decide to imitate your idiocy has a chance to avoid it.
>Pilot
>Crew
>Picrel
Just figure it the frick out 40k. I can't dumb it down further for you why we have the terminology we do. You're all over the place with insults but you'll get there eventually. Once you get there and learn the language of the game you can say things like Asmoranomardicadaistinaculdacar, one of the most severe insults you can tell a tournament player, all in one word because it's offensive just by existing. It's our "detransition."
>play a casual hobby
>act like a WAACgay
>tell corporate entity they can make bank off of you and other WAACgays being WAACgays
>make jargon to describe your WAACgay tendencies to other WAACgays
we all understand that what we don't understand is why you are getting mad people are confused/ridiculing the stupidity of your jargon.
a Basketball player is a basketball player regardless of skill level be it pickup or NBA/Olympic. There are terms to designate specific roles because it's a team game. In golf or bowling a golfer is still a golfer and a bowler is still a blower regardless of skill level. They don't give themselves titles because of perceived role they play, titles are given because of their feats. In Chess from the brief period I observed it are still chess players, they are given titles on their feats and ranking while specific ways of play are are given titles. I could go on
>TL;DR
why do you hold such contempt at confusion over jargon being used in a card game?
We understand you are highly committed to WAACgaying in cardboard crack, that is why you are so defensive about it.
I watched some of worlds this year because I had free time, I don't remember the casters calling players pilots.
>" pilot " is jargon used in the competitive scene to describe a player who net list their deck instead of being someone who build it. Yes people are getting high off of their own farts.
that's all that needed to be said.
>that's all that needed to be said.
But it's bullshit and a lie from someone who's autistic and weighs in excess of 300lb. Because "pilot" is used as a verb. You're a competitive "player" and you "pilot" your deck or army list. Spergsalot can't even use the terminology right.
>You're a competitive "player"
I'm not, never claimed I was, I am a third party that recently bumped a dead thread because I forgot to use the option field
>someone who's autistic
i think so but I don't have records to me to verify the claim
>weighs in excess of 300lb
I've been stress eating and stopped working out but I'm only 30 pounds (20 if used in comparison to when I lifted) overweight
>It reeks of insecurity
I think you're reading into it too much. I've been involved in the MTG competitive scene for awhile and nobody uses the term to elevate their ego. Like others have said, it's just the term for being good at running a deck you didn't actually create yourself. Nothing more, nothing less.
Nah, he is right. It's like jannies calling themselves sanitation engineers or subway employees calling themselves sandwich artists.
>It's like jannies calling themselves sanitation engineers or subway employees calling themselves sandwich artists.
Companies were the ones who started that. These kind of job title changes were a weird psychological trick to make employees feel more "important" without having to give them raises or actual promotions.
Most people saw through it, but some special kind of morons (and bootlickers) ate it up.
Does anyone know which word he's confusing? This has to be a Monica kinda situation.
Pheobe *snaps fingers multiple times* Pay attention. Everyone already figured out it's a Magic the Gathering term that's getting cross-usage in someone's 40k circle.
>building/piloting are two different skills
This. The evidence I see is most people can't build a sealed deck if their lives depended on it even if they are dependable players in other formats.
>reeks of insecurity
I would play 4 copies of Reeks of Insecurity if it increased my win percentage by 2%. I don't think you understand how much being original, being able to create your own deck, caring what people think about you, how much that absolutely does not matter. Tournaments players are there to win. I do my own designs a couple times a year, but I'm already practicing 40-60 hours a week and unique designs take longer than that normal amount of practice so it hd better be worth it.
>Tournaments players are there to win.
Children's card games, yes we know. That tryhard attitude makes you a bigger target for mockery, you get that right?
And your internet tough guy, 'too cool to invest myself in anything' attitude doesn't make you any better than the turbo tryhards.
>"investing yourself" into consooming childrens card games
at least 40kgays have to paint and shit
Some of them do.
Don't paint,
Don't actually make your army, "build it" and by "build" I mean copy from people smarter than you.
Don't read lore, just make some gay headcanon stuff from you personal politics.
And then get pissy when nobody wants to play a game with you
>I do my own designs a couple times a year,
Your own design? Holy shit you people are full of yourself. I understand being insecure and saying piloting over playing even though it is a pretty cringe thing to do, but what is the reasoning for the whole "design" thing?
>too pretentious for me
>design
Design is the closest word for it I see. It's not a physical action so "build" is not the correct word. Purpose alternative within informal lexicon with a limited budget. Perhaps a word that costs less than five dollars.
>Tournament players are weird
Yes.
>the colossal pseud is also a newbie
Pottery.
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You wanna know why I call myself a pilot?? I can memorize and follow complex procedures, operations, rules and parameters without slowing the game down. Because I can take any list and FLY that motherfricker STRAIGHT TO UNDISPUTED VICTORY. I know just when to pull the trigger, when to throttle and when to take off. I am a precision machine, always prepared to strike you when and where you least expect it. I call myself a pilot because IVE GOT WHAT IT TAKES. Something you could never understand.
Is there another non-disparaging 1 word term for a deck player who didn't make their own deck?
homosexual
Term comes from MTG circles as far as I know.
Kinda funny. Reeks of insecurity from people too self-important to admit they're playing a game with fantasy card or plastic figures, which is a perfectly respectable hobby that any adult may choose to indulge with, and want to pass themselves off as somehow participating in some sort of high-skill sport, which they're not.
Remember kids, wanting to play competitively is fine and fun, participating in competitive events is as good a way to indulge in your hobby as any other, but pretending that competitive Warhammer has any more dignity than a beer'n'pretzels gaming evening with your drunken mates is an insecure delusion. Playing games is a great way to spend your time with friends or to meet new ones, but don't attach your self worth to how well you roll dice or you'll look pathetic to normal people.
Flesh and blood morons started this "piloting" shit. Acting like they are piloting a plane lmao.
No one does that, moron.
>make me wish /tcg/ could get its own board
holy shit the brazen delusions
Care to explain?
No.
Player.
Also,
>non-disparaging
If you want a term to specifically express you didn't build your own deck, why should you get a non-disparaging one? You objectively deserve less credit for your accomplishments than you would if you made your deck. Why would you get a "non-disparaging term" specifically to express the fact you lack a certain skill or you didn't put in a certain amount of effort.
I honestly don't think we need separated. Tournament play is the vocal minority of the games. If you're even at tournaments even at the lowest level and stay a couple months you'll wipe the floor with casuals. Most people just don't want to eat ass that long. Casuals outnumber and outspend us ten to one. They're an important part of our eco system. They bring in new players. Those new players might become tournament players, as two magic players can't have sex and make more magic players that way. Then we eat that new tournament player, take all their prize money and cards they want to trade, or they become one of us.
I'm one of those brewers you mention. I can prove my strength. Did you know that in an environment with few strong decks it's easier to brew at the tournament level than a diverse field? Less variables so less testing is needed. In a diverse field you need to prepare for anything, so it's better to take an established deck and tweak it. This is counterintuitive as frick, but noticing counterintuitive solutions is what we do.
Now listen here frickers, in magic we don't pilot things, we Crew them.
>apex of human fitness, reflexes, split second tactical decisions in head to head competition against other superhuman peers to earn millions of dollars
>yeah its cool lol I'm a football player I'm playing a game
>looked up which plastic or cardboard toys to buy on reddit and play a childrens game with a dozen other local autists for the glory of a 20 dollar gift card
>yeah...you could call me a pilot...it's basically on par with flying an F15
piloting as in driving as in controlling
you can be a good list builder but are terrible at actually moving the guys around the field in an optimal way, make bad decisions, and get tabled.
its been in use for card games since at the latest 2014 but I'm sure I heard people saying it in 2004 when I played MTG.
also the reason you're asking this is because you don't go outside enough to talk to people to know about it which makes sense because this is a gay bait thread. have a nice day OP
"Player"/"Playing" fully encompasses the intended meanings. It also does not imply deckbuilding. There's no reason to interpret "I play this deck" as "I conceived and built this deck myself", there is no direct overlap aside from the extraneous information that some players build their own decks. So, there's no reason to adopt a term other than "playing/player" for the concept of "player that didn't build their own deck".
>build
Build is physical. Of course you built your deck, it's yours, you got all the cardboard together in a pile. Did you design your decklist? Why so specific?
>117.3 Which player has priority is determined by the following rules:
>117.3a The active player receives priority at the beginning of most steps and phases, after any turn-based actions (such as drawing a card during the draw step; see rule 703) have been dealt with and abilities that trigger at the beginning of that phase or step have been put on the stack. No player receives priority during the untap step. Players usually don’t get priority during the cleanup step (see rule 514.3).
>117.3b The active player receives priority after a spell or ability (other than a mana ability) resolves.
>17.3c If a player has priority when they cast a spell, activate an ability, or take a special action, that player receives priority afterward.
>117.3d If a player has priority and chooses not to take any actions, that player passes. If any mana is in that player’s mana pool, they announce what mana is there. Then the next player in turn order receives priority.
>117.4 If all players pass in succession (that is, if all players pass without taking any actions in between passing), the spell or ability on top of the stack resolves or, if the stack is empty, the phase or step ends.
>117.5 Each time a player would get priority, the game first performs all applicable state-based actions as a single event (see rule 704, “State-Based Actions”), then repeats this process until no state-based actions are performed. Then triggered abilities are put on the stack (see rule 603, “Handling Triggered Abilities”). These steps repeat in order until no further state-based actions are performed and no abilities trigger. Then the player who would have received priority does so.
Tournament MtG is technical, weird, and specific. Thousands of rules, not a kid's game. Just play casual, don't worry about it.
>not a kid's game
we already got it that you're insecure about your hobby and want to pass it off as a serious competitive endeavour, you don't need to reiterate it.
Those are the rules on how to do nothing, and you can do nothing, as in take no action, wrong. I ran out of characters and couldn't summarize it.
There is so much wrong about the have that needs to be mocked, can you at least try to be a little right about what's wrong with it? Pic is a football pilot.
The term has already been adopted, moron. You're the weird one by being pedantic about broadly used and accepted terminology. Sorry you've been living under a rock.
>the football player is executing the plays designed by the coach so he isn't actually a player he's a football pilot
>football
Which one
>the mangaka's assistant is following his instructions so they're actually manga pilots
what this thread has taught me is that im going to see the term "piloting" derail threads for the next 8 months on /tg/, which is probably what the OP wanted