There are other devs that put their games on Nintendo consoles and also put their games on Steam.
A port of Dokapon Kingdom is coming to Steam this year with online multiplayer, but Dolphin lets you emulate the Wii version of the game and play online with other emulator users. Obviously it's more profitable for both Sting and Valve if you buy the port instead of emulating the Wii version.
Anon, actually think instead of being moronic for one second.
What do you think Nintendo would do to Valve if they just put dolphin emulator and damned the consequences?
that's exactly the point, they don't even have games on steam so no reason to piss them off nobody loses anything here.
You can still download the emulator from official site, literally nothing changes
When you think about it, there are so many wrong turns history could have taken that would have left emulation in way worse place, or even flat out forbidden or non-existent
We don't know how good we have it.
>If soemthing is not on steam it dosnt exist to them.
This is only the case for paid games. I don't want to have to buy shit twice just to have all my stuff in one library
Drawing attention to them and leading to more potential lawsuit abuse. That's pretty much what every pirate that gloats publically about how much they pirate wants.
Came here to say this. Why would i need Steam running too if im just gonna be on Dolphin? Are zoomers really THIS tech illiterate that they dont know how to navigate a PC or run something unless its on Steam?
>Valve "helped"
Well yeah, it's their store of course they're the ones who ultimately take it down. Nintendo doesn't just send ninjas to stealth in and hack the servers to delete things.
a company is not a guy
a company can never be a good guy
a company's only interest is profit
a company's way of securing profit is to create brand loyalty
a company's way of creating brand loyalty is making the customers believe they're their friends, "we're in this together"
>a company's way of creating brand loyalty is making the customers believe they're their friends, "we're in this together"
that's only one way to create brand loyalty. A much more common way is to offer a quality product or service that is in demand.
>A much more common way is to offer a quality product or service that is in demand
No, it's to capitalize on ignorance, utilize sunk cost, take hostages, and bank off stockholm syndrome.
>wtf Valve didn't get into a massive legal battle with Nintendo, one which they WOULD lose, they're bad!!!
I don't give a shit about Dolphin anyways because it's used to play japanese games, which are trash.
>Add non-steam game to my library
problem solved
or at least that would be what I'd do if I was an OCD baby that needs daddy mega corp to hold his videogames in a single place
why won't zoomers do the slightest effort to top depending on being pampered forever
>problem solved
thats wholly beside the issue, an emulator on steam would gather massive attention compared to when it is off steam.
most people wont go out of their way to find it by themselves, so visibility by being on steam is the actual point.
adding it you your library does not address the fact that nintendo is again just a bully wihtout legal justification, only ever the threat of potentially ruining whoever they spuriously sue.
>most people wont go out of their way to find it by themselves, so visibility by being on steam is the actual point.
Why would you want emulation to be a visible thing that would be more easily coopted by think-thank pressure groups? >Man I like it when LGBTQIAZSNES yells TRANS RIGHTS ARE HUMAN RIGHTS every time I load state
I dont think emulation should be a normalgay thing. Once they jump on it, the emulation scene will get fricked up and not to mention that it will attract the full attention of the companies that their games are being emulated. Im sure Nintendo hasnt gone full power against emu devs yet.
Normies are already getting filtered by RA's many settings so its glad to see it. Lets keep it that way
It already kind of is becoming that, loads of normies were talking about direct downloading rar files with ToTK and Yuzu all preinstalled with firmware and keys and ready to run on Windows PCs.
Didn't dolphin on steam come prepacked with some illegal stuff and that's why they got boooted off steam? Like it is not even steams fault, but their own for including it.
I hope retroarch stays on steam, it's pretty much made me stop playing modern games. Steam cloud saves + retroachievements brings all the modern niceties to 20 year old games without the cancer of DLC.
Although emulation is completely legal and not piracy, it's contrary to the interests of certain huge/powerful corporate bullies. I think it's important to gatekeep it a little bit and prevent it from becoming any higher profile than it already is. Ideally it should remain a niche, nerdy activity.
If you'll forgive the comparison to torrenting (again, I understand that emulation isn't piracy and isn't illegal, the dynamics just feel similar): The creation of braindead simple netflix-style torrent clients like Popcorn Time was a disaster and paved the way for various sites to be blocked in many regions and other aggressive measures taken on behalf of copyright lobbies. It was technically always possible and nothing new, but making it so simple and accessible changed the game. At some point a difference in degree becomes a difference in kind.
>Dolphin is obviously piracy software.
That's like saying "The only reason to own a gun is because you want to commit murder." Emulation has both legitimate and illegitimate uses. Should we just ban everything that has any illegitimate use regardless of the legitimate uses?
Nothing is getting banned.
Nobody is ripping their own games or running their own software. Dolphin is 99.99% of the time used for piracy. Why would Valve take a stand for that?
>Emulation has both legitimate and illegitimate uses.
How do you use it "legitimately"?
inb4 >I play fan games with 100% original code and 100% original assets
Sure you do
It has been explain 10000 times at this point - morons at Dolphin have encryption keys inside of the emulator itself, that's why you don't really need to setup anything with Dolphin compared to pretty much any other emulator.
why is this such a big issue, it is in Valve's interest not to get sued by Nintendo, because everyone knows how trigger happy Nintendo is. Besides, are Steam users so mind broken that they cannot download dolphin on their own? Do they need Steam to hold their hands all the way? I don't understand, please explain this to me
when they didn't allow me to lock the games I bought. to protect my property from future updates and vandalism by disgruntled devs.
and when they didn't provide a refund or step in when devs added new DRM a year after I purchased the game.
From what I read, Dolphin fricked up by using the original encryption keys, that's just asking for trouble. Why would anyone else want to get involved?
You can still download it easily via dolphin-emu dot org. You don't need steam to use Dolphin. I swear Ganker, sometimes you act like a bunch of tech illiterate dullards
>Hey guys check out this emulator and these ROM sites you can use to play games for FREE! >Look everyone it's coming to STEAM! Make sure to share it with everyone on twitter and reddit! >Huh why do emulation and piracy sites keep getting taken down?! FRICK NINTENDO!
>when they required you to install Steam to play half life 2.
Basically requiring you to have internet access to play a single player game (when internet access wasn't as available as it is now)
I mean, from the beginning? They're a business. Their job is to make themselves money. They do a lot of good shit, and steam is full-featured in some very excellent ways, but that makes them amoral at best.
The caveat is they're a fricking truckload better than literally every other option in the market. GOG is just plain incompetent and makes decisions like an alzheimer's patient, microsoft store is both evil and also incompetent. EGS is at least very honest, but that honesty comprises them admitting very openly that consumers can go frick themselves and only publisher satisfaction matters to them.
Weren't they including the bios or something with the Steam version? They're idiots for thinking they could get away with that on Steam in the first place.
Why would anyone think putting Dolphin on Steam would be acceptable? Companies also have business relationships to protect and this could cause more damage in the long run if they didn't intervene.
Valve isn't the bad guy here. In this case, it's quite frankly the Dolphin developers and all the folks who supported them in trying to release it on Steam.
I loved how emulationgays completely loss their minds when this happened despite Dolphin being completely moronic and in the wrong and was warned multiple times not to fricking do it.
I was never under the impression that companies are my friend but this is a nothing burger Dolphin isn't a video game why put it on a video game store in the first place?
>No, it's very explicitly legal.
Selling emulator software is the issue.
Hosting it is a well.
Why would steam open themselves up to that type legal issues?
So many of the questions asked here seem like the come from underage kids, uneducated morons, or artistic sports.
Emulation is legal, hosting shit embedded in the emulator that no one but Nintendo is allowed to pass out not so much. This emulator is blatantly illegal and they're lucky Nintendo ONLY stopped them from being on Steam.
You really have to wonder why Ninjas haven't snuck up on them yet if they know.
>its legal to make your own emulator AS LONG AS THE CODE IS 100% YOURS >Dolphin uses Nintendo code to work aka, stealing company assets >WTF!? WHY WONT VALVE LET DOLPHIN ON STEAM!?!?!?!?!
The funniest part is the morons complaining don't even realize there are a bunch of games on Steam right now that are wrapped in emulation like VC games were.
I've backed 'em on Kickstarter. It's not illegal because they got permission to use the emulator, said emulator didn't use anything proprietary in, and the ROM was of their own creation.
>Oh God it was removed from the Steam Deck Linux app store thing? >Check my steam deck >Still have dolphin
What's the issue again? Was dolphin literally on steam itself? Why why the frick would they do that?
>has a function to import dumped keys >common key, korean key, and SD key are hardcoded in their version of IOS
and here pcsx2 is scared to even implement magicgate which is unmodified DES
I don't see why valve is the bad guys here when all they are doing is trying to avoid a dmca/lawsuit from nintendo? There are better things to criticize valve over like pioneering loot boxes
after something something artifact 2.0
artifact 1.0 wasn't enough?
What else do you want steam to do? Piss off Nintendo for no reason?
oh no then nintendo wouldnt put their games on steam!
oh wait
so in your head steam should just try to piss off Nintendo's israeli team of lawyers just because
There are other devs that put their games on Nintendo consoles and also put their games on Steam.
A port of Dokapon Kingdom is coming to Steam this year with online multiplayer, but Dolphin lets you emulate the Wii version of the game and play online with other emulator users. Obviously it's more profitable for both Sting and Valve if you buy the port instead of emulating the Wii version.
Anon, actually think instead of being moronic for one second.
What do you think Nintendo would do to Valve if they just put dolphin emulator and damned the consequences?
Have a really fun to watch legal battle that'd blow this board the frick up. I'd place my money on valve.
Nintendo would win due to them including the keys. They would be hosting illegal shit.
If Nintendo took out Valve, the world would be a better place.
Imagine - the company that basically created loot boxes would finally DIE.
my god you epic shill are clinically moronic
that's exactly the point, they don't even have games on steam so no reason to piss them off nobody loses anything here.
You can still download the emulator from official site, literally nothing changes
Yes.
>for no reason
there are many reasons to piss and shit on nintendo
Where's the financial gain in that? Does it encourage Nintendo to put their games officially on PC?
When did they start doing that?
true, but not really if you are a big company that tries to avoid legal issues.
Companies are never your friends but the Dolphin devs are absolutely moronic to think they would be able to put it on steam with the wii keys included
when they made steam
What's the point of putting free emulator on Steam?
because uhhhh
Ease of access for moronic Steam Deck users who can't even understand the concept of using desktop mode.
You know what emudeck is yeah?
Something that needs desktop mode
Dolphin supports online multiplayer
Imagine being able to invite your steam friends with zero hassle to a Melee lobby
imagine if dolphin devs weren't moronic and just told you to get your bios and keys from elsewhere thus making their emulator entirely legal
>the law protects this random string of characters with no creativity because it just does okay
Frick off with that shit.
just be happy that the law protects emulators.
In a worse timeline Bleem lost against Sony
When you think about it, there are so many wrong turns history could have taken that would have left emulation in way worse place, or even flat out forbidden or non-existent
We don't know how good we have it.
To be fair, bleem was backed by army of lawyers from fricking Apple out of all thing.
>bleem
Didnt Bleem enforce copy protection and only played originals?
>asking them means they helped
I lost respect for valve not just putting it on the store, but nintendo are still the bad guys.
What's the point of getting anything on steam when you could just pirate? It's to have all the benefits of steam.
>BECOZ VALVE SERS ARE BAD SERS OKAY?? BLOODY BASTERD b***hES ALL OF THEM
Came to post this. Whats the point really? Just go to their site and download the emulator. Cant get easier than that.
Steamdrones are actually this moronic and devoid of common PC using abilities.
If soemthing is not on steam it dosnt exist to them.
>If soemthing is not on steam it dosnt exist to them.
This is only the case for paid games. I don't want to have to buy shit twice just to have all my stuff in one library
Your library, your one place, is your pc you moronic mongrel.
Drawing attention to them and leading to more potential lawsuit abuse. That's pretty much what every pirate that gloats publically about how much they pirate wants.
Came here to say this. Why would i need Steam running too if im just gonna be on Dolphin? Are zoomers really THIS tech illiterate that they dont know how to navigate a PC or run something unless its on Steam?
>Valve "helped"
Well yeah, it's their store of course they're the ones who ultimately take it down. Nintendo doesn't just send ninjas to stealth in and hack the servers to delete things.
a company is not a guy
a company can never be a good guy
a company's only interest is profit
a company's way of securing profit is to create brand loyalty
a company's way of creating brand loyalty is making the customers believe they're their friends, "we're in this together"
>a company's way of creating brand loyalty is making the customers believe they're their friends, "we're in this together"
that's only one way to create brand loyalty. A much more common way is to offer a quality product or service that is in demand.
>A much more common way is to offer a quality product or service that is in demand
No, it's to capitalize on ignorance, utilize sunk cost, take hostages, and bank off stockholm syndrome.
Those are yet other ways, yes. And there are many more ways too.
Adorable how innocent you are
when Steam started opening a pop up advertisement on startup
No one in this world are the good guys save for Jesus Christ
>wtf Valve didn't get into a massive legal battle with Nintendo, one which they WOULD lose, they're bad!!!
I don't give a shit about Dolphin anyways because it's used to play japanese games, which are trash.
>Add non-steam game to my library
problem solved
or at least that would be what I'd do if I was an OCD baby that needs daddy mega corp to hold his videogames in a single place
why won't zoomers do the slightest effort to top depending on being pampered forever
>problem solved
thats wholly beside the issue, an emulator on steam would gather massive attention compared to when it is off steam.
most people wont go out of their way to find it by themselves, so visibility by being on steam is the actual point.
adding it you your library does not address the fact that nintendo is again just a bully wihtout legal justification, only ever the threat of potentially ruining whoever they spuriously sue.
>most people wont go out of their way to find it by themselves, so visibility by being on steam is the actual point.
Why would you want emulation to be a visible thing that would be more easily coopted by think-thank pressure groups?
>Man I like it when LGBTQIAZSNES yells TRANS RIGHTS ARE HUMAN RIGHTS every time I load state
>an emulator on steam would gather massive attention
Why is that a good thing?
I dont think emulation should be a normalgay thing. Once they jump on it, the emulation scene will get fricked up and not to mention that it will attract the full attention of the companies that their games are being emulated. Im sure Nintendo hasnt gone full power against emu devs yet.
Normies are already getting filtered by RA's many settings so its glad to see it. Lets keep it that way
It already kind of is becoming that, loads of normies were talking about direct downloading rar files with ToTK and Yuzu all preinstalled with firmware and keys and ready to run on Windows PCs.
Dang the graphics and draw distance of that Xbox game are impressive, I am an Xbox fan now
Didn't dolphin on steam come prepacked with some illegal stuff and that's why they got boooted off steam? Like it is not even steams fault, but their own for including it.
I hope retroarch stays on steam, it's pretty much made me stop playing modern games. Steam cloud saves + retroachievements brings all the modern niceties to 20 year old games without the cancer of DLC.
Although emulation is completely legal and not piracy, it's contrary to the interests of certain huge/powerful corporate bullies. I think it's important to gatekeep it a little bit and prevent it from becoming any higher profile than it already is. Ideally it should remain a niche, nerdy activity.
If you'll forgive the comparison to torrenting (again, I understand that emulation isn't piracy and isn't illegal, the dynamics just feel similar): The creation of braindead simple netflix-style torrent clients like Popcorn Time was a disaster and paved the way for various sites to be blocked in many regions and other aggressive measures taken on behalf of copyright lobbies. It was technically always possible and nothing new, but making it so simple and accessible changed the game. At some point a difference in degree becomes a difference in kind.
BASED Nintendo making the FAT burgers KNEEL
Seems like an old habit for them now kek
Good, frick emulation.
Dolphin is obviously piracy software.
Why the frick does reddit think Valve would go bat for piracy? They're a store, they don't like piracy.
>Dolphin is obviously piracy software.
That's like saying "The only reason to own a gun is because you want to commit murder." Emulation has both legitimate and illegitimate uses. Should we just ban everything that has any illegitimate use regardless of the legitimate uses?
Nothing is getting banned.
Nobody is ripping their own games or running their own software. Dolphin is 99.99% of the time used for piracy. Why would Valve take a stand for that?
Homebrew exists and the argument for or against doesn't matter.
What matters is they don't include illegal shit in them. which they did and other emulators don't for a reason.
>Emulation has both legitimate and illegitimate uses.
How do you use it "legitimately"?
inb4
>I play fan games with 100% original code and 100% original assets
Sure you do
Emulation is how I can still legally play the Saints Row I legally bought today.
Why can't you power on your Xbax?
from the beginning
I don't care that someone using stolen code when no other fricking emulator does it was kicked off a thing.
morons get treated like they're morons and the world moves on.
$kyrim mod$ on $team
>emulator
>but with drm
wtf is wrong with valve gays
what the frick is the point of dolphin on steam? are zoomers so far gone that simply downloading it from the website is too complicated for them now?
Yes. And not only zoomers, it's everyone that's never emulated anything.
It has been explain 10000 times at this point - morons at Dolphin have encryption keys inside of the emulator itself, that's why you don't really need to setup anything with Dolphin compared to pretty much any other emulator.
If that was an actual legal concern nintendo would've shoved their tiny nip dick way up dolphin's butthole a decade ago.
when they said they were dropping support for windows 7 cause of google chrome (lol) aka lazy bastards don't giv a frick
You need to realize there are no good guys. No company is your friend.
Who the fricks wants an emulator on steam?
It makes no fricking sense
They actually saved emulation you moron. The minute that shit goes mainstream its fricked.
why is this such a big issue, it is in Valve's interest not to get sued by Nintendo, because everyone knows how trigger happy Nintendo is. Besides, are Steam users so mind broken that they cannot download dolphin on their own? Do they need Steam to hold their hands all the way? I don't understand, please explain this to me
They have Nintendo ip in their code. Not cool.
>Dolphin planned on including Nintendo files on the steam release
Fricking tards
More like they want to cover their ass.
when they didn't allow me to lock the games I bought. to protect my property from future updates and vandalism by disgruntled devs.
and when they didn't provide a refund or step in when devs added new DRM a year after I purchased the game.
From what I read, Dolphin fricked up by using the original encryption keys, that's just asking for trouble. Why would anyone else want to get involved?
You can still download it easily via dolphin-emu dot org. You don't need steam to use Dolphin. I swear Ganker, sometimes you act like a bunch of tech illiterate dullards
>Hey guys check out this emulator and these ROM sites you can use to play games for FREE!
>Look everyone it's coming to STEAM! Make sure to share it with everyone on twitter and reddit!
>Huh why do emulation and piracy sites keep getting taken down?! FRICK NINTENDO!
when they required you to install Steam to play half life 2.
and more recently, when they tried to make you pay for mods
>when they required you to install Steam to play half life 2.
Basically requiring you to have internet access to play a single player game (when internet access wasn't as available as it is now)
It should be against the rules to post a screencap of an article and not actually link to it.
I mean, from the beginning? They're a business. Their job is to make themselves money. They do a lot of good shit, and steam is full-featured in some very excellent ways, but that makes them amoral at best.
The caveat is they're a fricking truckload better than literally every other option in the market. GOG is just plain incompetent and makes decisions like an alzheimer's patient, microsoft store is both evil and also incompetent. EGS is at least very honest, but that honesty comprises them admitting very openly that consumers can go frick themselves and only publisher satisfaction matters to them.
Weren't they including the bios or something with the Steam version? They're idiots for thinking they could get away with that on Steam in the first place.
Why would anyone think putting Dolphin on Steam would be acceptable? Companies also have business relationships to protect and this could cause more damage in the long run if they didn't intervene.
Valve isn't the bad guy here. In this case, it's quite frankly the Dolphin developers and all the folks who supported them in trying to release it on Steam.
about the time when the Epic Store came out and everyone was seething like crazy
I loved how emulationgays completely loss their minds when this happened despite Dolphin being completely moronic and in the wrong and was warned multiple times not to fricking do it.
Wait a second... are you trying to tell me that this gamestore/developer... won't help me pirate video games?
>why won't a legit company let us sell our piracy software on their storefront?!?
When I got forced to install steam after buying HL2 at retail.
I was never under the impression that companies are my friend but this is a nothing burger Dolphin isn't a video game why put it on a video game store in the first place?
This is a non-conversation.
The emulator was in a legal grey area. It's not even worth dealing with.
Steam just avoided an issue.
>The emulator was in a legal grey area.
No, it's very explicitly legal.
>No, it's very explicitly legal.
Selling emulator software is the issue.
Hosting it is a well.
Why would steam open themselves up to that type legal issues?
So many of the questions asked here seem like the come from underage kids, uneducated morons, or artistic sports.
Thank you autocorrect
Emulation is legal, hosting shit embedded in the emulator that no one but Nintendo is allowed to pass out not so much. This emulator is blatantly illegal and they're lucky Nintendo ONLY stopped them from being on Steam.
You really have to wonder why Ninjas haven't snuck up on them yet if they know.
>You really have to wonder why Ninjas haven't snuck up on them yet if they know
Because it's not actually illegal
You people do know that Gabe is a Nintendo fanboy, right?
>add it as a non-steam game
>hehe nothing personelle kiddo
>follows the law
>aren't the good guys
What are you, black?
>its legal to make your own emulator AS LONG AS THE CODE IS 100% YOURS
>Dolphin uses Nintendo code to work aka, stealing company assets
>WTF!? WHY WONT VALVE LET DOLPHIN ON STEAM!?!?!?!?!
The funniest part is the morons complaining don't even realize there are a bunch of games on Steam right now that are wrapped in emulation like VC games were.
I've backed 'em on Kickstarter. It's not illegal because they got permission to use the emulator, said emulator didn't use anything proprietary in, and the ROM was of their own creation.
anyone actually expecting Valve to host an emulator for the most litigious company in the videogame market is delusional
Dolphin will live on in torrents it's one and only home
When HL2 was the first notable singleplayer game to require an online activation.
>Oh God it was removed from the Steam Deck Linux app store thing?
>Check my steam deck
>Still have dolphin
What's the issue again? Was dolphin literally on steam itself? Why why the frick would they do that?
Why is no one making a ps4 emulator and put that on steam?
>WHUT DUH FRICK???? COMPANY NO WANT ENCOURAGE PIRACY???? LITERALLY HITLER!!!!!!!
>emulating
>piracy
>has a function to import dumped keys
>common key, korean key, and SD key are hardcoded in their version of IOS
and here pcsx2 is scared to even implement magicgate which is unmodified DES
>When did you realise that Valve aren't the good guys?
Why the frick does an emulator need to be on Steam anyway? Who gives a shit?
I honestly don't know what Dolphin expected to happen
I don't see why valve is the bad guys here when all they are doing is trying to avoid a dmca/lawsuit from nintendo? There are better things to criticize valve over like pioneering loot boxes
When they shut down WON and forced Steam and 1.6 on the CS playerbase.