>bussin no cap fr fr
If you see somebody post this anywhere on this site and take it as genuine, you're a moron. Do you see people posting stuff like >why whypeeple be so mad wen i steel duh yeeeezeeez
and assume there's an actual sincere poster behind it? The backbone of this site is irony, and if you can't detect then, you should the IP in your etc/hosts because you're mentally unfit to be here.
>Looks like a mobile game >Plays like one >Set items guarantee no build creativity >Literally only rifts to do >Gay homosexual ESL classes like Witch doctor and Sorc being a chink, Monk >Clear china pandering game, less gore, bright colors. Blizzard got everyone to believe they changed it for anything BUT this reason. LITERALLY IT WAS JUST FOR CHINA, they didn't actually care about 'normies are scared of it' cause that's bullshit, but China no likey skeletons and blood.
D3 on consoles is like a weird, superior director's cut. The PC version never got a lot of it's improvements, the biggest ones for me being rolling and controller support.
right, there is no online co-op but it's still enjoyable
bummer, maybe one day it'll work better on RPCS3, I believe online works but it crashes constantly.
>Game was designed around controller, to the point that it gets an exclusive mechanic (dodge rolling) >Allows for offline play, meaning you can play it when Bnet is down and after the servers finally shut down
Why would Blizzard, predominantly PC company, make the primary PC rpg series have such a favorable console version? was it just spite?
Different devs worked on the console version and wanted to make it appealing to new players. They had no reason to add console functionality to a dead PC game (IE, treating customers right wouldn't generate profit). It would also open the floodgates for fans to ask for cross save and offline on PC, neither of which management wants.
Different devs worked on the console version and wanted to make it appealing to new players. They had no reason to add console functionality to a dead PC game (IE, treating customers right wouldn't generate profit). It would also open the floodgates for fans to ask for cross save and offline on PC, neither of which management wants.
It's pretty ridiculous that Blizzard treats its games the way it does. Even if they wanted each IP to have a perpetual money sink live service version, why not cater to both audiences to build stronger brand loyalty? What's the point of creating a live service cross platform Diablo in Immortal and then doing the same thing for 4? They just end up eating into each other and nobody is happy. What's the point of shelving old WoW expansions entirely if you're going to delete stuff between expansions and player saves are server side? Just keep track of expansion exclusive progress per account and offer deprecated versions as separate downloads with low server counts. What's the point of actually removing OW1 content from OW2? Just include it as deprecated, non-ranked bonus content. Why doesn't Diablo 3 or OW offer an offline mode? D2R proves that making it optional only helps sales.
I get that they want players to focus on new thing and buy MTX, but the way they do it doesn't benefit them. You can still your new product even if players want to play the old thing!
>Game was designed around controller, to the point that it gets an exclusive mechanic (dodge rolling) >Allows for offline play, meaning you can play it when Bnet is down and after the servers finally shut down
that was actually fun though because baals minions where a dopamine rush. I want something exactly like that instead of the ponderous sameness of just dredging through a steady stream of level scaled mobs
I imagine whoever made this 3x3 doesn't even sleep anymore, but flips a series of 7 coins to determine what personality to hand off control to every 3 hours on the spot.
no they don't. some did a while ago because there was literally nothing else to play, but no one but an extremely niche group of addicts play and that number dwindles every day.
The addicts are what make the game. These games need addicts. Everything else is trash, I'd rather play Street Fighter. It's all about the community, baby
Every year I play D2 for up to a few months. I was quite literally just about to start playing when I read your post, and I guarantee you that when I log on, I'll find a somewhat healthy amount of lobbies up in Ladder and non-Ladder, and only a "somewhat healthy" amount because most people aren't out of work or school yet.
>and only a "somewhat healthy" amount because most people aren't out of work or school yet.
What are "Prime time log-in hours", Trebek? Open up NA servers to moronic teenagers from third world shitholes and the player count would go up, sure, but then you'd be playing with moronic teenagers from third world shitholes, and I don't think that's a worthy tradeoff just so some bored little twink on Ganker can't make an argument.
>potions
I'll give you that, its the one tedious part of D2. >tp and id scrolls
Not tedium, you pick up tomes at lvl 2 and never run out of it, you don't need ID scrolls since your bro Deckard has your back anyway. >Inventory management
I'm not sure if you have noticed, but every single arpg game has inventory management. Just because you seem to have some arbitrary line of how many items in an inventory are fine, and anything less than that is tedium does not make you right. If anything once you understood how items work in D2 and which ones are worth picking up, you effectively ran out of space way less than in D3 or D4, where 30 seconds could be enough to flood your inventory with garbage rares.
Diablo 4 doesn't have inventory management tetris. Some people hate the tetris aspect that comes along with storing potions and scrolls and charms. I personally find it extremely gratifying. They built this new game for console and it shows.
The frick do you guys talk about. I constantly hear about inventory tetris, as if its something that takes time and effort. You guys actually never played D2 right? Its literally the same tier of effort that you put into D4. You keep clicking on items till one goes *plonk* "I can't carry anymore" and then you tp back and sell your shit.
Diablo 2 had a real problem with build variety and itemization. I won't even get into how you basically need to build a sorc first to farm unless someone drops you an enigma (lol).
I dropped hundreds of hours into D2 from 1.08 to 1.12, but I'll be the first to say it is a relic of outdated design decisions from a bygone era.
Asmongold said something interesting. He said he doesn't want to do Dominus again in PoE. He's right, but in Diablo 2, the campaign and items are so good that you want to do the campaign again, because it's just such a cool dungeon crawler. The oppressive atmosphere is the best there is. Also, D4 needed a Paladin class from the get-go. He's the natural party leader and the coolest class. They squandered it and unless they improve itemization that leads to literal set/restart map to further loot bosses, I probably won't buy the expansion. The base game just isn't something I want to see built upon.
Watching it, it really does suck and everyone else is a liar. There is a reason everyone says D2 is the best out there. Cope. The people who don't play games a lot play Diablo 4 and get bored within about 2 or 3 hours. The people who play Diablo 2 all the time play for 8 hours a day and enjoy it because they're trying to find their BiS items. My nephew doesn't seem to really enjoy D4 and I can't blame him. He drops it after about 3 hours. It's just not really fun, especially in lower levels, and then in Nightmare it's fun for a little while again as you farm up your BiS items, but those come within about 8 hours or so because of the shit item system.
I'm sorry but I'm really not watching your e-celeb video. Learn to articulate your own argument or don't bother posting.
That said I do think D4 sucks ass. However, I don't think D2 is much better than D3. D3 has a disastrous launch, but the actual gameplay systems made some smart changes and evolved from D2. As I hunted at earlier, D2 had massive flaws when it came to the grind and gearing aspects as well as character balancing being a total joke that the devs are only beginning to barely address like 20 years later in the remake.
11 months ago
Anonymous
The moment-to-moment gameplay in D3 is incredible. The skills, builds and gearing are abysmal. I don't understand why a dev can't rectify this. D4 feels clunky.
>you play to get item but grind better in other game to get better item >when you get item its fun
You just described getting paid for a job.
Just grind at your job, you can buy real things with the loot drops
no one wants to do the campaign. I have been playing this game before 1.10 on and off. got characters to 99 in hc closed, farmed jah's and ber's ssf online and whatnot and I tell you doing the campaign was by far the worst part no matter if its regular d2, d2r or a any of the mods like pod/pd2. anyone tell me they enjoy the campaign is either lying for whatever reason or only has done it a few times.
This. Literally no one plays D2 for the campaign. It's okay as a novelty the first time, but nothing special. In subsequent playthroughs you just rush to Mephisto/Sanctuary/Cows/Baal and start farming with little deviation based on your build.
And honestly the main campaign had some totally aids areas like maggot lair and flayer jungle that NO ONE likes unless they are sorc and just skip most of it kek.
You're right, but the campaign in D2 had a sense of progression like when you get the Act 2 destroying merc. D4 does not have mercs
11 months ago
Anonymous
Act 2 Merc wasn't good until nightmare.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Still was a better game and I'm itching to play it. I just need some buddies to go back into Hell and kill the prime evils
11 months ago
Anonymous
I agree it's better, but you're still wrong about the Merc and I suspect you don't really know what you're talking about.
11 months ago
Anonymous
They dumbed down the game and made it less customizable. Everyone in this thread who played Diablo 2 could go on and on about how much better Diablo 2 was. They just fricked up with Diablo 3 and now Diablo 4. It's a trash game. It sucks. It's fricking trash. It's garbage
11 months ago
Anonymous
11 months ago
Anonymous
Sure. Sounds like you never played Diablo 2 though, or enough to really understand why it was so good if you thinking getting the act 2 Merc on normal meant anything to anyone.
11 months ago
Anonymous
completely wrong. you can acquire Ral Tir Tal Sol before act 2 NM easily
11 months ago
Anonymous
merc wasnt good until you had insight and life leech helmet was around early hell for most people. so he was basically useless through out the regular campaign. also having a merc doesnt make the game automatically good. the only reason he made the game interesting was that he offered character and had more item slots to gear.
11 months ago
Anonymous
That's why it was good, so you answered your own question. The sense of progression was there, even if you didn't have the immediate options to gear out your merc
11 months ago
Anonymous
I rather have character power on my own character in form of additional gear slots than having to deal with a moronic ai that would constantly die. there was nothing special about the merc. holy fricking shit I dont get your delussional d2 fanboys. I love d2 as much as the next guy but guys are literally blind when it comes to d2. the game was good for its time but it has its own problems.
11 months ago
Anonymous
The strategy was there. If you wanted to make your merc better, you farmed for what you wanted.
Sure. Sounds like you never played Diablo 2 though, or enough to really understand why it was so good if you thinking getting the act 2 Merc on normal meant anything to anyone.
Unless you’re actually mentally ill, the whole point of farming is to play the campaign again, maybe in a harder difficulty or new build with new items. Unless you’re about to tell me that D2 had worthwhile MP, which it certainly didn’t.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>the whole point of farming is to play the campaign again
No? Everyone farmed so they can trade up and can end game gear so they can farm end game content like Ubers. That's literally what the entire economy was based around. Are you a zoomer pretending 99% of game lobbies on battlenet weren't just >Baal run >Sanctuary run >Cows >Mephisto >Trading post
11 months ago
Anonymous
Let me ask you something? What do you think those players did with the gear that they farmed? They just stayed on this recursive loop without getting off? Yeah no, everyone I played with had multiple characters and used the endgame to farm gear for alts.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>What do you think those players did with the gear that they farmed?
They used that gear to farm for end game runes and SoJs (or trade for them) so they can run Ubers and farm for annihilus charms. In terms of actual gearing yeah people did build alts but that doesn't change the fact that they still rushed those alts to the end game farm spots that I mentioned earlier or just tunneled on enigma and Hota anyways.
Seriously, it's pretty obvious now you never actually played Diablo 2 in it's heyday because, and I'll say it one more time, 99% of lobbies were farm runs. No one farmed with the intent of replaying the campaign.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>no true Scotsman
Very tiring and I feel no need to prove my Diablo II veteran badge to random internet strangers. It’s also pretty strange how you focus on battle net so much. I imagine that most people on Bnet were playing some form of MP (trading/pvp/pve) etc. so many of D2’s players played offline and solo and ram new characters through the campaign all the time. It may not have been how you played, but tons of people that you never saw played that way.
11 months ago
Anonymous
There was visible strategy to the way people played D2. It had depth, even though I hate using the word. It was just fricking great.
Even 2 Resurrected?
I don't know. I've not bought it, but I might. I torrented it to see what it was like, and Resurrected looks like a masterpiece of gaming
11 months ago
Anonymous
I know anon, I loved the game. My only original point was that the endgame in D2 was very lacking, because it was. I’m glad that you were able to enjoy 5 digit numbers of Baal runs. The rarest I ever got from him was a fricking light saber in d2r though.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Lol. I did Pits to find a Tyrael's Might on Slash servers and I pretty much quit after that. I found what I was after. But I could still go for some Pindleskin runs
11 months ago
Anonymous
It's definitely the healthiest Blizz game in terms of community and actual sales in a while. It really shows how much the corporate culture of ActiBlizz hurts their games.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Like I said Anon, if you played on battlenet you would know what the lobbies were like. The majority played to power farm and get into the economy.
But obviously you didn't and if your perspective is purely from single player then I will not argue, but I will also say that you are in the minority. Most people played online and that is where the game was built around with SoJ. It is pointless to continue this argument with you unfortunately.
11 months ago
Anonymous
I did player on battle net buddy, I’m just saying that you discount the giant solo player base that wanted nothing to do with the massively boring “endgame” on bnet. I did the whole thing for years, tons of items, alts runes and ears. This notion that everyone was an endgame farmer is just not true. I almost never did any of it relative to other parts of the game because it was so boring compared to them.
11 months ago
Anonymous
The majority of people played on battlenet, Anon. But either way the game was designed around online play and trading and that is wear the problems start to creep in. Unless you really think blizzard ever expected someone to solo farm complete runewords for multiple alts when the rare runes have like 1-5000 drop chances.
If you're a casual who never touched Ubers at all then that's fine, but you're not qualified to speak to the flaws and strengths of the game either compared to people who do actually experience every aspect of the game and especially in relation to D3.
11 months ago
Anonymous
The perceived elitism, even if the face of a colleague, is frankly astounding here. I did everything that you did in Diablo II, probably a lot more honestly since I played for so long. You’re probably a casual compared to me, but that isn’t going to stop you from mouthing off with a misinformed opinion, I suppose. The only thing you’re right about is that I’m unqualified to speak in d3 because I never played that shitty game. Fact remains that d2 continues to have a shitty endgame.
11 months ago
Anonymous
There's nothing elitist about my post though? You literally admitted to not interacting with the end game systems of Diablo 2 so I'm just saying you are not qualified to talk about all the flaws and strengths of the game. Someone who never got into the economy by doing a billion Baal runes to gear characters and also to farm ber or jah runes and trade for soj to eventually organize private Uber diablo runs with friends simply will never understand what made it so great not will they ever understand what was actually so shit about the balancing of the uniques/sets and classes and how the actual campaign became an afterthought.
Sorry but that's the truth. Anyways you're devolving into ad hom now so this is the last (You). Don't spend it all in one thread.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>There's nothing elitist about my post though? >If you're a casual who never touched Ubers at all then that's fine, but you're not qualified to speak to the flaws and strengths of the game either compared to people who do actually experience every aspect of the game and especially in relation to D3.
Not that anon, but you don't have to complete every single part of the post-launch autism grind to have valid opinions on game design.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>Someone who never got into the economy by doing a billion Baal runes
>There's nothing elitist about my post though?
NTA but I was reading the comment chain and had to ask: did you actually read your post before submitting this?
No, you don't have to do a billion Baals just to grasp Diablo 2. The issue is that you're treating the D2 autism endgame as a necessary part of understanding D2 when the vast majority of ppl enjoyed the game as a dungeon crawl experimenting with cool builds.
Does the endgame give you a unique insight to a part of D2 thats flawed when you push the systems to it's limits? Sure. But lets not be fricking moronic and pretend the endgame systems in D2 were fully planned and thought-out back in the early 2000s. The core of the game was playing campaign.
I swear to god, Path of Exile mindbroke everyone. Vast majority of D2 players wanted to have fun not minmax
>Sorry but that's the truth
Spoken like a true leftist
11 months ago
Anonymous
That's stupid. Most of the consumer base is never going to touch that content. Analysis of what does or doesn't work should be both holistic and considerate of various playstyles and goals.
>He's right, but in Diablo 2, the campaign and items are so good that you want to do the campaign again, because it's just such a cool dungeon crawler.
lmao even. Tell me you never played D2 online without telling me you never played D2 online. Nobody gives a shit about the campaign. You know what D2 is? Farming the same spots over and over and over ad nauseam to make your desired character. Then, when you have that character, you use it to farm more efficiently for another character you want to make. And so on. People act like D2 was something so incredibly special in terms of its gameplay loop, but ultimately, it's a skinner box like any ARPG, and it's a monotonous one.
>Played Diablo 2 Resurrected last night as Paladin, doing the first couple of quests. Got a nice little unique.
both D3 and D4 suffer from this
uniques have a good meaning, but in D3 and D4 they're just almost all of them, scrap materials
Yep. Uniques in D2 are like little nice milestones that build up your character and become BiS for a certain period of time. In D4 they're catered to your character when they drop. They're going to drop for your specific class with what the catered RNG drop system wants you to have. In D2, every item can drop for every character. In D4 it's catered. You also can't trade them.
The endgame in D4 is only tackling higher dungeons to do... what? Are you really going to get a better item once you get all the Legendaries you want? I don't understand the drop system, but it's definitely catered and crafted to drop to be best for you at any given time. There's no variety. You put it on and forget it.
Strong end game, chase uniques also offer a sense of progression other than "bigger number better."
If I get certain uniques from Mephisto for example and kit out my merc, I can go to AT. and If I get a Griffon's I can then go to The Pits.
D4 has no such sense of progression. The moment you turn off damage numbers, your build will feel the same. The content you do will feel the same.
Also, the big numbers on the screen are screen cancer. I just love Diablo 2, it's just great, and all these threads become is me explaining why Diablo 2 was so good and why the new games lose the real player base.
no, as someone that played original d2
if i find a nice item with shit rolls of stats but a good trait roll, then i can save it. it works with yellows as well, if i find a good damage rolled weapon, i can put the trait on it i found earlier, and im always checking most yellows for good rolls. it's more fun than d2, where you spend hours and hours and find absolutely nothing even worth looking at
and if you make that runeword in d2 that you spent hours grinding for and it rolls like shit, its over. useless crap
in d2, if you didn't run a farm bot, you are behind everyone else
d3 was similar when they added primal items, i didn't find a single one in the most recent season apart from the level 70 guaranteed one and it felt incredibly unrewarding to play for hours without finding anything
The sense of progression is not there. If you want to improve your character efficiently, you shouldn't be checking every yellow item in Nightmare. Just get Uniques. Then once you get to Torment, you check Ancestrals, and then what? The game ends, and nothing happens.
>uniques have a good meaning,
bro what? The only uniques that actually mean something are shako which is already bis for 99% of the characters, Griff, and +1 ammy and rings. D2 itemization is fricking horrible and I really don't see it.
Diablo 2 will always have the best soundtrack, atmosphere, and gear progression out of the series to me, but the worst resource management. I fricking hate chugging mana potions and crawling my way to an Inspire Mercenary.
They can play it how they want. Once you get a character to a nice level you stop and ogle your character. Or go back to the grind to say you found a Tyrael's Might
There's a reason why people were okay with just running AT, The pits, Actboss runs, even lower kurast chest farming and never got burnt out in D2. However, instead of trying to analyze why, D4tards try and cope and uses a 20 year old game to try and make their 100$ purchase feel better.
They were on the right track with Resurrected. It looks and feels good this version. They could easily have gone a retro theme with Diablo 4 and brought back the old magic but they squandered the opportunity.
That's because D2:R they didn't have to reinvent the items.
Unfortunately in D4, they had to come up with itemization, and just like D3, they absolutely fricking butchered it. The horrible itemization is killing every single other content they have for the game, and I called it the moment the damage multiplier stat sticks that they like to call items were datamined.
That's why there's ladder resets. D2 providing you with a few weeks of entertainment, vs D4 having been out less than a week and that burn out is already there is not a good sign. D3 has this exact same problem, and it's pretty easy to see where this stems from. uninteresting items.
The fun I had with Diablo 3 was farming for BiS set items with my couple of friend that were catered to my account, and rerolling them to try to do higher rifts solo. It was only fun because I had the goal of becoming the best Crusader, and I got Number 2 Crusader without farming Paragon points with different classes.
Don’t disagree at all, let’s just stop fallating the corpse of Diablo II which has a terrible endgame because it was never supposed to have one at all. At least D4 is trying but I’m not surprised it’s so shitty. Why did you people buy this game again? You should have known better.
>At least D4 is trying but I’m not surprised it’s so shitty
They don't get paid to try. A game isn't judged by how much effort a dev team is putting through. It's how it plays.
And let's be honest here. Diablo 4 is literally just retreading and copying older ARPGs and miserably failing at it because the devs for this quite obviously do not play ARPGs. They don't understand why the systems they chose to copy works in the game they copied it from.
>they don’t get paid for trying
They still get paid by you apparently.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>Still get paid by you apparently
I haven't bought a single blizzard game since diablo 3 launch.
11 months ago
Anonymous
So you bought the worse Diablo game on launch. I remember thinking about it back in the day too, but stopped myself after how universally shitty it was received as.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Yes, at that point I was still naive about Blizzard's bullshit. I bought a copy for me and my younger brother since D2:LOD was one of my main games growing up. D3 sucked ass on launch, but it did push me towards POE so at least something good came out of it.
I think both d2 and d3 were decent. d3 had better combat obviously and was great at the end of its life. D4 to me feels like a major step back, I mained DH in d3 and rogue feels terrible by comparison.
>better gameplay >better gameplay loop >better itemization >better story >better world >t-this is bait
It's insane to me to even compare the two
i have 2k hours played between d2,d2r and medianxl, you guys are just living in the past if you think d2 is still better, just move on to poe.
how do we go from d2r to d4? holy shit the quality difference is just jarring. the only thing d4 has going for it is the graphics. almost everything else is a step down.
D2R wasent even made by blizzard, they contracted it out to someone else , and they hardly touched the game at all,other then visually it is almost exactly the same as D2 without any changes
11 months ago
Anonymous
>other then visually it is almost exactly the same as D2 without any changes >new patches
yeah nice lie
11 months ago
Anonymous
oh so its kinda like how the best bethesda game is new vegas which they didnt even make
11 months ago
Anonymous
Blizzard fricked D2 though with patches.
The damager per frame lightning gloam, poison, corpse explosions all got taken out; which was the majority of the difficulty.
11 months ago
Anonymous
no one plays diablo for the difficulty
11 months ago
Anonymous
they also changed the talent tree to encourage you to go all in on one element then they gave you charms to break immunities. they ruined my frozen arrow/lighting jav build by taking out the synergy between charged strike and lighting fury because (lol this makes the meta lightning only build stronger)
11 months ago
Anonymous
>Blizzard fricked D2 though with patches.
Yeah. The switch to catering to autistic minmaxers was a mistake, synergies being an obvious illustration of that.
>as someone who never played D1, what does it do so differently from 2?
It's a lot more fricking slow and tank lank-like for one fricking thing but another is that it has an extremely strong atmosphere despite it's old tech. Despite being a game developed in 1997 and before, Diablo 1 feels shockingly modern; Blizzard somehow knew how to make this type of game work back then and its still worth looking at today.
D3 on release was absolute dogshit and it deserved the hate it got. That being said, the improvements they made actually made it a fun ARPG, but by then nobody was playing it. My only complaint of D3 now is the shit story and now shit lore, and set items just being so overpowered
>shit lore, and set items just being so overpowered
now we have even shittier lore and NO set items. fricking blizzard. I swear they put more thought into the cash shop than the shit that actually mattered.
>i swear they put more thought into the cash shop than the shit that actually mattered
That's exactly what they did. Blizzard doesn't make games for you, they make them speificly for whales, they don't give two shits what you think because some fat Black person with a credit card is dropping 1k a week on mtx.
See:diablo immortal
Doing the shit you did to waste time as a kid isn’t a good idea as a grown ass man you legitimately have no concept of the passage of time nor are you cognizant to how stupid it is to repeat a basic task 15,000 times, that’s kid shit. Give me a meaningful experience somehow or just don’t and leave me alone. Adulthood literally is repetitive busywork 95% of the time, the 5% enjoyment I get I don’t want it to be the same thing. The grind is for kids, not men.
>Diablo 2 >Getting to level 100 is completely optional, 95-100 is just an autistic grind >Diablo 4 >moronic level scaling and uber lilith makes level 100 mandatory before "you can start playing the game"
nice comparison homosexual
When I loaded up Diablo 3 and saw an auction house where I could buy an endgame weapon for 3 USD, I POGGED. Thank god I didn't have to deal with some shady ass website with fake money for trading LOL.
Diable IV is pretty good though. It's worth giving a shot in my opinion.
>people love PoE
PoE has a free trade system with a currency system >Diablo 4 has worthless items
Diablo 4 is for casuals. It is not for D2 real ARPG enthusiasts
endgame weapons or trifectas and shit in d3 when the auction house was still around didn't cost 3 dollars you fricking moronic zoomer. $250 was the max price on the auction house with cases of people buying items for well over that amount offline.
I just played it till I beat diablo then did the expansion stuff and put the game away, maybe if I had played closer to release/had friends/internet to do it with I might have done more, but he seems to be implying single player grinding frick that
Actually I'm not entirely sure I beat the expansion, I distinctly remember not really enjoying the diablo fight while I don't recall a thing about the expansion final boss, which was the one in the OP image right?
D2 is like Dr pepper. old yet refined and full of many flavors.
D4 is like sprite. Its just one shitty same flavor. Scaling is a mistake but it was made for Dad gamers so
It's just cool isn't it? They're cool. The stat system sucks in Diablo 4. It's unintelligible. Armor apparently is better than resists in Diablo 4, so you just look at Armor stat + green and go with that. It's so simple and stupid.
i cant get into any of these arpg games. like on paper i should love them because i pretty much only play rpg/mmo type games but it seems like you just grind for 1000 hours to get sick gear like in an mmo but you don't get the online clout that comes along with that since its pretty much a single player game.
base damage > vul > cc/cd > main stat > core
helmets: cdr% + armor%
boots: ms% + rcr%
amu: rcr% + cdr%
rest is pretty much just crit/armor/close damage or close damage mitigation
paragon boards are pretty much just pathing through glyph sockets and taking 1-2 rare nodes on the way. game is already figured out, nothing to explore. no uniques to test and no endgame to try the builds out on. we all know how blizzard works. we probably wont even get new shinny stuff or major changes in season 1.
I know you homosexuals are meming this D3 "was good" to piss of d2gays, but D3 was unironically great after the Kanai Cube was added and the removal of the cancer that was the real money AH. D3 as a game, played much better than D2. The biggest problem D3 had was that it was completely abandoned by Blizzard two years after RoS released. They just gave up and said frick it. Like they do with every expansion of WoW.
I can still go back and play my insanely broken OP monk build or DH and have fun with it. I can't say the same about D2 because it's aged horribly. The inventory management alone makes me not want to touch it.
the only time d3 was good was right after the inferno nerf. like a few months when we could finally do farm all acts and we still had the ah. not that the game was good at this point but it was playable and new and felt like we were exploring a whole new game. nowadays with all the datamined stuff before release and tools like pob games lost its magic of exploration.
>I can still go back and play my insanely broken OP monk build or DH
DH? Demon hunter? Is that class even good? Truth to be told I only played as DH in vanilla DS3 when that class heavily relied on Rapid Fire.
Without exaggeration it's probably the best class kit in D3. It simply does everything right. I just run a strafe build and zoom around a rift in about a minute. It can speedfarm and clear GR150s no problem. The only other class that comes close is Monk and WD (though Spirit WD got giga nerfed).
1, 2 and 3 are all good games for different reasons, and 3 needed a massive overhaul to find its identity.
I really doubt 4 is ever going to find its niche when it's balancing battle passes and perpetual buy-ins against fun. D3 course corrected because the only way it could make cash was by getting players to think fondly of it so they would buy the DLC and encourage friends to try the game. 4 is following the WoW/OW formula of making money through player retention and milking whales, which leads to anti-fun design choices.
It's definitely the healthiest Blizz game in terms of community and actual sales in a while. It really shows how much the corporate culture of ActiBlizz hurts their games.
This is the real heart of it. Most of the anger with Blizzard is more about how they treat customers and tear down their own products over time. People wouldn't be as mad about Overwatch if you could still play OW1 content and the game had a dedicated offline/LAN mode. People wouldn't even give WoW as much shit if it didn't constantly destroy old things. A lot of the problems that caused anger at D3 on release was rectified, but the stink still remains because they refuse to give the core audience the console features/freedom. The Warcraft 3 fiasco was only such an issue BECAUSE they took away actual Warcraft 3.
If Blizzard stopped sucking its own dick so much the fanbase would be better and, arguably, overall sales higher. I know tons of people who just refuse to play most of their games because of the way they treat customers and products.
Baal minions gave you a huge chunk of exp unlike anything in D4
Also baal would drop crazy rares at times and some ultra rare uniques at times. Most of which could be identified as usefull at a glance.
Nothing compares to it in D4. Goddamnit, i wish devs would realize that we enjoyed these stupid long grind sessions because they were easy and chill, not because i had to keep an intense focus for hours and a single misstep would blow me up. I could download some banging music off limewire or kazaa, boot up winamp, slap it in the playlist, press shuffle, and grind away a few hours while chatting with friends on TS or messenger.
There were no moments in D2 where a single milisecond of a lapse in focus would obliterate me (as long as i farmed areas safe for my build) unlike what most modern arpgs do, which try to kill the player at any given moment.
It was better. Simple as. It was a more enjoyable game, but maybe you're the target audience for D4, because you're too stupid to understand the depth and complexity of Diablo 2. Get the zoomer haircut and you'll be right there
I like D4 and D2, it just so happens that D2 is one of my favorite games of all time. It's not perfect though nothing is, and it's flaws aside, I still keep coming back to it over 20 years later. D3 was fun and pretty good too, but it just didn't have the longevity that D2 brings because everything is handed to you SO fricking fast and easily in the same way that D2 Ladder is really only super engaging for the first few weeks to month or so, even as somebody who doesn't ladder start with a Sorc or Pally because I can just trade up for my key pieces with PGems, Rals, and Key sets alone to everyone who DID start with a Sorc/Pally.
Having said that, the reason D2 still works to this day despite "15,000 a day Baal runs" although not true, because there's a ton of other farms than just Baal council for exp, is because you have clear cut long term goals to work towards which are further enabled with trading. D3 fricked this up with RMAH so they could have had it but didn't, and D4 seems to be taking the D3 RoS endgame route wherein you're given everything and really you're just looking forward to hitting level 100. But it's a live service game so we'll see what they come up with.
Either way, whoever posted that on Reddit is a total gay and has not spent nearly enough time with D2 as they'd like to appear to have.
I'm not looking forward to level 100, so speak for yourself. I'm not looking forward to a grind that leaves me broken with nothing but shitty Uniques that do nothing substantial to my build with useless affixes and eventually lead to nothing of value. There's not even a competition system at the time of release like Rift dungeons. It's trash
>D4 seems to be taking the D3 RoS endgame route wherein you're given everything
Is this an opinion from experience? Because I don't see how, D4 itemization is much more gradual than D3 and you need to keep up with world scaling so you're constantly looking for better gear.
You're not constantly looking for it. You get the better gear at the beginning of the tier change. I can tell how the drop system works. It's not random. It's made to slightly improve your character and then once you find the BiS, you'll basically never find a better one in a respectable amount of time. It's a weird drop system that wastes your time.
The frick do you guys talk about. I constantly hear about inventory tetris, as if its something that takes time and effort. You guys actually never played D2 right? Its literally the same tier of effort that you put into D4. You keep clicking on items till one goes *plonk* "I can't carry anymore" and then you tp back and sell your shit.
So far, yeah. However I've been no-lifing it when I can from day 1 of early access so my experience is likely skewed, but for me I'd found pieces with the affixes that are most desirable for me, and I've just held onto them until finding something at least most similar with the most key 1-2 attributes. For me it's felt like the most defining factor in my power growth has been Paragon board levels because say there's a few pieces I haven't really upgraded in a bit, the Paragon levels have kind of been a pad to make up for that, so I would just say that levels seem to be for me personally the most longterm goal thing. But as far as legendary aspects go, aside from like one aspect (Trample creates Landslides), I've found every other key aspect pretty damn often enough.
I'm not looking forward to level 100, so speak for yourself. I'm not looking forward to a grind that leaves me broken with nothing but shitty Uniques that do nothing substantial to my build with useless affixes and eventually lead to nothing of value. There's not even a competition system at the time of release like Rift dungeons. It's trash
I honestly don't know why the unique and legendary aspect pool is so fricking anemic, I really don't think there's an excuse for that other than withholding for the sake of seasonal release "content".
I always knew it was the only good one
It's the only one with something resembling actual gameplay, and not just holding down right click to spam the single skill you put all your points into so you can engage in the proto-gacha gambling for 0.001% chance loot drops that don't change anything.
Diablo 3 > 1 >>> Immortal >>> 4 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2
David Brevik. The rest of the PoE guys are good, but they copied the ideas from Diablo 2. Not a bad thing, but the universe of PoE is objectively worse because Diablo was just... Diablo. It was like the universe came together to make the best first two games ever made in the genre, D1 and D2. Then PoE came along and made a shitty setting, but with perfect mechanics. If Blizzard were smart, they would buy GGG and make masterpieces. This shit is a joke. It could be fricking amazing.
PoE's plot was originally built around just being an exile, then getting back at Dominus, then Malachai came around and he was the big bad for a while. All of a sudden here comes acts 5-10, now you have to slay a literal fricking god but then GGG also wants postgame lore so how do you top slaying a god? I guess uhhh now you travel between worlds killing even more gods except woops we gotta put more content out, turns out you didn't kill those gods it was just a dream state and here are some other new gods you have to slap down?
Yeah the lore kept taking "logical progressions" in terms of how far it went but it went too far, too fast, and now PoE's lore is a trainwreck.
Everything shits on D4's story, I was just saying PoE's story is definitely not good and there's a reason why nobody actually cares about the story or atmosphere in PoE, they just want their autismal Path of Building game. Which is fine, I don't personally mind PoE, but they realized pretty quickly that each league gets stale so they have to keep resetting the game to keep people interested.
>Which is fine, I don't personally mind PoE, but they realized pretty quickly that each league gets stale so they have to keep resetting the game to keep people interested.
I mean at that point I'm sure the POE devs realized why D2 had ladder resets before they even released POE.
I've been playing Reign of Terror, the Diablo 2 mod inside Grim Dawn. This has been my first experience with D2.
and when I got to the Lost City, I instantly thought of PoE lol I was like "ah so that's where they got the eclipse idea". A lot of stuff has been clicking in place from experience with other ARPGs over time, seeing where they got inspiration and such.
WOW WHAT A COOL ITEM >when you teleport, it pulls enemies to you >if you pull too many enemies to you, they trap you inside them >you are required to spend an evade charge if you want to move
THANKS!
if you aren't killing the whole mob in one or two hits with the extra ranks of glass cannon anyways, you already had bigger things to worry about besides moving out of a mob
D2 shows how little you need. But new games can't even do that, they have lot noise that doesn't add up to much. It kind of looks like all the extra is really a distraction making the core of the game worse somehow.
Diablo 4's retail disk will completely be different from its patches. This game sucks and needs major overhauls. It's such a pile of shit that I don't even want to play it. It needed a Paladin class, but they'll add that in the expansion. The game is shit and I despise it. Not worth my time.
I am a simple man. All I need is Corpse Explosion and an army of skeletons, and if necro in D4 has it - I am good.
I haven't got the game yet, I'm waiting for Series S to arrive.
Season 1:
Story skip will carry through every season
You won't have to reveal the map again.
Only capital city waypoints will be activated.
Altars of Lilith will carry over, they'll show up on your map, will apply to alts as well.
You'll get the renown from Altars/discovery off the bat. Have to earn the rest to max it out.
Sidequests will reset.
Something is being developed to move Gems to be similar to your crafting mats, instead of a dedicated gem tab, more for season 2 and beyond.
No planned changes to the teleport system. Still have to port to town, to port to friends.
Looking at resource generation. Don't want to make resource gen too strong.
The XP buff to NM dungeons will NOT increase mob density, just the per mob xp.
Customizing your character after creation(hairstyle) is a lower priority to add.
Once Season 1 begins, you're renown bonuses will NOT be shared amongst alts. i.e. each alt will need to fill up the renown separately.
For the past decade I've gone and given D3 a try and but I've never been able to even get through the main story acts. Meanwhile I've gone through Normal/Nightmare/Hell in D2 a hundred times. I really don't know, but I just don't like the content design and the classes in D3 or something.
It's obviously going to be a Mephisto dlc. Diablo has had three games to frick around and Baal had an expansion. Only one of the primes that never got much focus until now was Mephisto.
None of the new arpgs, as far as I know, have removed the hoarding problem. Some even make it worse and sort of lean into it by giving the player more stash tabs/space. I think players want to hoard.
imagine having fallen so far as a company that you need to shill against your own game from 25 years ago because people would still rather play that then the game you just released
reminder that D2 (and i include D2R here) will outlive d4 and people will still be playing it in another decade after d4 has been forgotten and the whales have moved on.
>imagine having fallen so far as a company that you need to shill against your own game from 25 years ago because people would still rather play that then the game you just released >reminder that D2 (and i include D2R here) will outlive d4 and people will still be playing it in another decade after d4 has been forgotten and the whales have moved on.
this is actually pretty darn funny
Is it true that people like Diablo 2 because it only has 3 difficulty settings, which means D2 fans aren't used to higher difficulties and are filtered by Diablo 3?
Diablo 3 was okay, I had a lot of fun being a wizard. But it's very Current Year that Heaven got invaded and Angels are actually bad guys and Tyrael is black.
Diablo 2 was great, but dragged on too much.
Diablo 1 becomes the best, by far, with a script to auto-click. The other games all become worse with that 1 change.
D4 you worship a demon or something so I'm just not going to buy it, that's too Pride month for me anymore. I'm sure in 5 you'll just be a demon.
Is that what you think I'm doing? I just said Tyrael. I love the Sorcerer and the mutt Paladin, I'm a mutt too.
I am also a racist, so don't worry you can discard my entire opinion. I'm sure you love the Remake Paladin.
You don't worship a demon in d4.
In fact, you trust demons so little that when close to Mephisto, you let Neyrelle use the stone instead of yoursell.
We're 100% getting a prime evil dlc, and considering how i've much fun i've had with d4, i'm sure i'll love any class they add. Lilith is a better fight than pretty much any Diablo fight we've had at this point.
>D4 you worship a demon or something so I'm just not going to buy it, that's too Pride month for me anymore. I'm sure in 5 you'll just be a demon.
Sort of, Mephisto basically tricks you and your crew into being his buds because his daughter is a manipulative b***h and is sperging out and trying to upset the whole good vs. evil balance. There's a church but they worship a literal traitorous angel and get stomped for their misplaced faith.
>gatcha whale bait trash
just don't buy cosmetic.
i'm tired of baal run, i wanna do something else and i have fun here right now. I still got 4 other classes to try
I have never met a single person who actually likes Act 3 pre-Lower Kurast. As much as I love the game, Act 3 is absolute fricking dogshit. Act 2 is somewhat close but still much more tolerable, really only held back by Maggot Lair.
>diablo 4 is better because diablo 2 is shit! >this is why you're bore... wait where are you going?! >why aren't you playing diablos! You should play diablos and buy M$ and get angry at random drops >no no NO NO >NO DON'T PLAY OTHER GAMES >NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO-
What is this obsession with End Game that Blizzard fans have? Why are they so eager to discard/ignore most of the game, which is where Blizzard put in the most effort at this point.
Undead variations, yeah that's true. I just assumed they reused the skeleton for them but looking them up now they're an undead variation so I guess so.
>the second thread featuring this literal reddit screencap OP image >will also be allowed to reach 500 posts, just like the first one did >the next one will too
mods = worthless fricking Black folk
mods = worthless fricking Black folk
mods = worthless fricking Black folk
To be honest I only guessed that diablo 4 was second best, I only played it for like 1h. But it felt okay. Diablo 2 was better for its time for sure but these days I don't really feel like replaying it. Diablo 1 is still awesome and the only diablo I would ever play again.
why do yall like diablo 1? like the whole point of the games is grinding gear and upgrading to make ur character look badass and gear doesnt even make ur character look that different in d1
Never played D2, is that actually needed or just minmax gay bullshit for people who want items with perfect rolls that have a 0.0000000001% odd of dropping, when a 1% drop from random shit would have 80-90% of its effectiveness?
yes. and you don't even get the runes you need for the teleport armor from baal. you farm out little side dungeons within a certain level range, and we're talking 1 in 100000 or worse chances
You can buy a teleport staff from an npc in Act 3. It will come with I think 33 charges of Teleport on the staff, and you have to go to a repair NPC to restore the charges but it costs a LOT of gold. It's doable, but you'd have to go out of your way to make gold on the side just to fund your Teleport cast charges, it's just a pain in the ass really. Otherwise the only other way to get Teleport on a class that isn't Sorceress is via the Enigma chest piece runeword, which is the most sought after piece of gear in the game, and uses two very very rare Runes to make.
You have a few different farms. Some classes dont even farm bosses well so they just do areas.
You have >boss farm, including some mini bosses >area farm (different classes/specs do different areas) >some bosses double as an area farm (chaos sanctuary/ worldstone/baal runs >then you have key farm, where you go through an area to kill a specific mini boss at the end and hope it drops a key >then you have travincal farm which is a grouped mini boss farm which is good specifically for barbarians >then you have elite mob farm (basically groups of mobs with special affixes have an elite leader, so as a barbarian you hunt those packs down, CC the minions, kill the leader, then move to next pack) >then you have uber tristram farm, which is like a boss farm of the endgame where yo uuse keys to open special portals
basically sorc is better at almost all of it than anyone else. Exceptions being barbarian is best at a few like trav and elite mob farm. necro is best at huge mob packs. paladin best at ubers. Paladin becomes best when you have teleport item because it becomes a better sorc. You do have a few different types of farms thoug hand if you arent autistic and want to play something other than sorc or paladin you can find something you can farm well with that class. Druid for example is a very safe class to clear chaos runs with in starter gear, but its more slow, steady, and safe compared to sorc being faster and therefore better.
diablo and diablo ii are the only good ones. diablo brought the sense of atmosphere and immersion while diablo ii enhanced the gameplay. everything afterwards is just another dragon quest reiteration
Diablo 2 came out in 2000 and has a lot more meaningful endgame since the itemization is a million times better than Diablo 4 and there is no level scaling. This moron also ignores the past two seasons of D2R where they have started added endgame stuff like Terror Zones, Skill Buffs, and Sunder charms to get rid of immunity.
I played Diablo 1 to death at this point, both with The Hell mods and without. What should I play next?
I didn't like PoE or Grim Dawn, and I've also beaten D2 with every class.
Give me your suggestions, Ganker
>doing Baal Run >dozen or so runs, having fun, good banter, some guy is a Paladin so we got all the good auras >"remake" >next room fills up without me
As someone who fails to join Baal runs in time, and then just types in the game name but the next number up and spams the "Join" button waiting for the next game to be made so I can take someone's place... I just want to say... ||i am so very getfricked sorry||
I hate these comparisons. Standards change. ARPGs are an established genre with multiple titles that have substantial endgames. You can't just release another horse carriage when everyone is driving around in Model-T Fords and justify it by saying, "Well back in the day we all rode horses". Not to say Diablo 2 is a bad game but I'm not investing in a horse in the current year to get me around town if you catch my drift.
i love using the argument that the progenitor of arpgs didn't have a proper endgame, as a defense for its second sequel in 23 fricking years having one just as bad as the first sequel, that had a universally despised end game. what a gormless little moron.
Whats with this obsession of endgames and infinitely replayable video games? Nothing changes, you just get some bigger numbers. Dummies upset about not having a vidya treadmills should try using one IRL.
PoE is only the best if you want something to invest thousands of hours into. Not everybody looking to pick up an ARPG wants that. D4 is for those people. It'd be like comparing counter strike to splatoon. The fact that you're making the comparison at all is the problem.
>can't play a game offline >means it's bad
This hasn't been a valid criticism since 2010. Most people sit down to play games today have a steady internet connection. Even people in rural bumfrick nowhere have at least 5 meg down. That's more than enough to play liveservice games smoothly.
Actually I like d4 because the actual "ACTION" part of the game is really good, and much better than poe where streamers don't even look at the screen and just run around aoe'ing.
You guys do know some of us play these games for the gameplay right?
Nothing you've said is incongruent with what I said. >I'd rather play a game that has fun moment-to-moment gameplay rather than one that requires a ton of effort upfront to craft an unkillable cold dot build
is basically what you said, and that's in essence what I was hinting at.
why mention streamers, who is literally professionals in playing the game, and how they don't have to look at the screen?
you would have been fine if you just said "I like the action better in d4"
it was never shut down globally--the website was/is enforcing some "use our app and nothing else" rule so some certain subforums shut down 'in protest' for 2 whole days
the website isnt enforcing shit. its the moderators of the subs and they dont get paid to mod. they do it for free. and they are the ones enforcing it.
Just finished Act 4 on D2R with a fricking barb (no fricking aoe). Holy shit, what a garbage experience that was. This was my first time playing D2 and I'm not even gonna touch Act 5. I just went from mob to mob, holding down the Double Swing button, and that was literally the entire game. Combat is complete ass in 2023 and I don't understand why people still rate it above the other Diablo games.
Melee is genuine trash in Diablo 2 and I always recommend beginners to at least stay far away from barb because it's about as fun as watching paint dry
use the shouts to be a weird caster barb
OR
use your CC to CC regular mobs then kill the elite mobs/bosses quickly then move on to the next pack.
Its not worth killing everything unless you really need XP and even then id say only kill the elite mobs minions. this is less true at the start of the game but becomes more and more true as you progress and damage falls off.
barbarian is actually the most interesting class because you have so many different abilities to be switching between to maximize effectiveness until you are geared. (unless you do shout mage wannabe build and spam shouts)
I'm looking for more variety/options beyond the same one or two primary minmax leveling builds, which is what the majority of websites tend to hit me with.
he could drop basically anything so it was a good way to build wealth.
chaos sanctuary was the best place to actually get exp to level, before terror zones popped into the game.
best place for runes is to pop superchests in the kurast.
when i played diablo 2
Only diablo 2 troonys think diablo 3 is bad, its a million times better and thats no cap, don't listen to diablo 2 sisters
Stpry is wow tier boring irrelevant garbage
Frick diablo 3
Is Jay Wilson related to Chris Wilson?
If you want a story go read a book you poindexter ass nerd
frick that loser!
This sandal wearing lisp homosexual I hope he’s jobless fricking homosexual I could make much better game than this queer
then i guess i'm a troony, D3 gays need to ACK themselves
>and thats no cap
zoomer detected, opinion discarded
Diablo 3 is better than Diablo 2, however.
>spots obvious irony
>points it out smugly
What kind of autism is this?
I saw no irony, that's just how zoomers actually talk. I see it more and more.
>bussin no cap fr fr
If you see somebody post this anywhere on this site and take it as genuine, you're a moron. Do you see people posting stuff like
>why whypeeple be so mad wen i steel duh yeeeezeeez
and assume there's an actual sincere poster behind it? The backbone of this site is irony, and if you can't detect then, you should the IP in your etc/hosts because you're mentally unfit to be here.
>Looks like a mobile game
>Plays like one
>Set items guarantee no build creativity
>Literally only rifts to do
>Gay homosexual ESL classes like Witch doctor and Sorc being a chink, Monk
>Clear china pandering game, less gore, bright colors. Blizzard got everyone to believe they changed it for anything BUT this reason. LITERALLY IT WAS JUST FOR CHINA, they didn't actually care about 'normies are scared of it' cause that's bullshit, but China no likey skeletons and blood.
Yeah bro.. you showed us, d3 was good
So glad I never played that game
>bright colors
Diablo 4 is just a bland single tone mish-mash, though.
I wish I could play the console version of D3 on PC, I can't go back to the PC version now.
You can emulate the Switch version on PC
no online co-op through the emulator though, right?
right, there is no online co-op but it's still enjoyable
You can play online through parsec.
thank you, that's awesome. I'll have to give this a whirl!
It's going to be really funny if 10 years from now the Switch release will be the equivalent to DevilutionX and Project Diablo 2.
why?
D3 on consoles is like a weird, superior director's cut. The PC version never got a lot of it's improvements, the biggest ones for me being rolling and controller support.
bummer, maybe one day it'll work better on RPCS3, I believe online works but it crashes constantly.
Why would Blizzard, predominantly PC company, make the primary PC rpg series have such a favorable console version? was it just spite?
Different devs worked on the console version and wanted to make it appealing to new players. They had no reason to add console functionality to a dead PC game (IE, treating customers right wouldn't generate profit). It would also open the floodgates for fans to ask for cross save and offline on PC, neither of which management wants.
It's pretty ridiculous that Blizzard treats its games the way it does. Even if they wanted each IP to have a perpetual money sink live service version, why not cater to both audiences to build stronger brand loyalty? What's the point of creating a live service cross platform Diablo in Immortal and then doing the same thing for 4? They just end up eating into each other and nobody is happy. What's the point of shelving old WoW expansions entirely if you're going to delete stuff between expansions and player saves are server side? Just keep track of expansion exclusive progress per account and offer deprecated versions as separate downloads with low server counts. What's the point of actually removing OW1 content from OW2? Just include it as deprecated, non-ranked bonus content. Why doesn't Diablo 3 or OW offer an offline mode? D2R proves that making it optional only helps sales.
I get that they want players to focus on new thing and buy MTX, but the way they do it doesn't benefit them. You can still your new product even if players want to play the old thing!
I think Blizzard management sees PoE being always online and getting away with it and wants Diablo to be always online as well.
Yeah, because GGG has ONE game. It doesn't work when you're trying to curate multiple franchises and installments.
>Game was designed around controller, to the point that it gets an exclusive mechanic (dodge rolling)
>Allows for offline play, meaning you can play it when Bnet is down and after the servers finally shut down
Same
I bought it on switch yesterday and it's way better than playing on kb/m honestly
Yeah, the Switch version of D3 is easy to emulate and fully up to date. I have a modest PC and kept a solid 60fps throughout the game using Ryujinx.
Diablo 1 and 2 are both excellent games. Diablo 3 is very bad. Diablo 4 is better than D3, but only marginally.
Diablo 4 is absolutely dog shit that it makes D3 look like a golden goose
that was actually fun though because baals minions where a dopamine rush. I want something exactly like that instead of the ponderous sameness of just dredging through a steady stream of level scaled mobs
It just is...........ok?
What type of person IRL has this 3x3?
Only a turboChadThunderwiener would put Rengoku in his 3x3.
someone that loves gaming and doesnt care about Ganker/reddit/twitter opinions 🙂
The only person i can see his Kakashi, so someone who doesn't give too much shit about stuff anymore.
It's just some stoner that probably dropped out of high school
Maybe it's the only 9 games he ever owned
literally no one, it was made for comedic effect
>favorite games are almost entirely sequels
Some series improve. Some get worse. Like DMC.
DMC 2 > DMC 1
Did you know they stole Trent Reznor's likeness for 2Dante?
Ah, ma petit chou-fleur
I imagine whoever made this 3x3 doesn't even sleep anymore, but flips a series of 7 coins to determine what personality to hand off control to every 3 hours on the spot.
>nooo you can't just enjoy games from various different genres, generations or countries, you have to pick an arbitrary camp!
Seven of these are fast paced action games, one is a fast paced puzzle game, and one is a chill and vibe mysticism app for NES.
This guy is wired on meth, but he's consistent.
>geometry wars 2
frick i remembered it but its not on steam, is 3 good? are other alternatives like nova drift good?
3's still great, just not quite as flashy. It has tons of content.
https://store.steampowered.com/app/8400/Geometry_Wars_Retro_Evolved/
This one is better anyway
This is a normalgay with okay taste trying to be a hipster
No it's not okay, just godly.
You got lost somwhere along the way, anon
Nuh uh. Let me guess you fell for the RE6 bad meme.
>shadow warrior 2
I'd have rathered Tina's Wonderlands for the chaos rift endgame but it wouldn't fit in.
>Blizztroons hate that people continue to play the superior Diablo instead of their new $70 version.
hate that people continue to play
lol no one plays D2. People say they do for cringe clout but it's always a lie.
You people are idiots. Yes they play or want to play Diablo 2
no they don't. some did a while ago because there was literally nothing else to play, but no one but an extremely niche group of addicts play and that number dwindles every day.
The addicts are what make the game. These games need addicts. Everything else is trash, I'd rather play Street Fighter. It's all about the community, baby
Every year I play D2 for up to a few months. I was quite literally just about to start playing when I read your post, and I guarantee you that when I log on, I'll find a somewhat healthy amount of lobbies up in Ladder and non-Ladder, and only a "somewhat healthy" amount because most people aren't out of work or school yet.
>I'll find a somewhat healthy
ahahaaaa you know it's a dwindling number of players. "somewhat" indeed.
lemme guess, you play sooo much diablo 2
>and only a "somewhat healthy" amount because most people aren't out of work or school yet.
What are "Prime time log-in hours", Trebek? Open up NA servers to moronic teenagers from third world shitholes and the player count would go up, sure, but then you'd be playing with moronic teenagers from third world shitholes, and I don't think that's a worthy tradeoff just so some bored little twink on Ganker can't make an argument.
He's just going to call your post cringe and say you're wrong because he's a newbie and he heckin' said so.
>cringe
epic 2016+ newbie commentary
Obviously there has been a dip in player counts since D4 just came out, but plenty of people are still playing D2R.
immortal<d1<d3<d4<d2=d2r
dont@me
your bait's so shit noone would ever seriously @you
Waiting for diablo 4 to be on game pass. When the deal goes through, do you guys think they'll merge battle.net account into your microsoft account?
Diablo 4 won't even be fun in 3 years
Played Diablo 2 Resurrected last night as Paladin, doing the first couple of quests. Got a nice little unique. Still the GOAT
because of itemization and no level scaling. I could play this game over and over
It's like Blizzard just doesn't get it because the crowd watching them don't get it. The music alone in D2 is like a nice pleasurable ear frick
>potions
yes!
>town portal and identify scroll tedium
yes!
>inventory management
yes yes yes!
>potions
I'll give you that, its the one tedious part of D2.
>tp and id scrolls
Not tedium, you pick up tomes at lvl 2 and never run out of it, you don't need ID scrolls since your bro Deckard has your back anyway.
>Inventory management
I'm not sure if you have noticed, but every single arpg game has inventory management. Just because you seem to have some arbitrary line of how many items in an inventory are fine, and anything less than that is tedium does not make you right. If anything once you understood how items work in D2 and which ones are worth picking up, you effectively ran out of space way less than in D3 or D4, where 30 seconds could be enough to flood your inventory with garbage rares.
Diablo 4 doesn't have inventory management tetris. Some people hate the tetris aspect that comes along with storing potions and scrolls and charms. I personally find it extremely gratifying. They built this new game for console and it shows.
The frick do you guys talk about. I constantly hear about inventory tetris, as if its something that takes time and effort. You guys actually never played D2 right? Its literally the same tier of effort that you put into D4. You keep clicking on items till one goes *plonk* "I can't carry anymore" and then you tp back and sell your shit.
>because of itemization and no level scaling
>show how boring itemization was
D2 is rotting your brain
>why yes, I do think +core damage +vulnerable damage +damage to crowd control +crit damage stacking is good item design
Diablo 2 had a real problem with build variety and itemization. I won't even get into how you basically need to build a sorc first to farm unless someone drops you an enigma (lol).
I dropped hundreds of hours into D2 from 1.08 to 1.12, but I'll be the first to say it is a relic of outdated design decisions from a bygone era.
Asmongold said something interesting. He said he doesn't want to do Dominus again in PoE. He's right, but in Diablo 2, the campaign and items are so good that you want to do the campaign again, because it's just such a cool dungeon crawler. The oppressive atmosphere is the best there is. Also, D4 needed a Paladin class from the get-go. He's the natural party leader and the coolest class. They squandered it and unless they improve itemization that leads to literal set/restart map to further loot bosses, I probably won't buy the expansion. The base game just isn't something I want to see built upon.
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>Asmongold said
Not reading your post tbqh family
Watching it, it really does suck and everyone else is a liar. There is a reason everyone says D2 is the best out there. Cope. The people who don't play games a lot play Diablo 4 and get bored within about 2 or 3 hours. The people who play Diablo 2 all the time play for 8 hours a day and enjoy it because they're trying to find their BiS items. My nephew doesn't seem to really enjoy D4 and I can't blame him. He drops it after about 3 hours. It's just not really fun, especially in lower levels, and then in Nightmare it's fun for a little while again as you farm up your BiS items, but those come within about 8 hours or so because of the shit item system.
I'm sorry but I'm really not watching your e-celeb video. Learn to articulate your own argument or don't bother posting.
That said I do think D4 sucks ass. However, I don't think D2 is much better than D3. D3 has a disastrous launch, but the actual gameplay systems made some smart changes and evolved from D2. As I hunted at earlier, D2 had massive flaws when it came to the grind and gearing aspects as well as character balancing being a total joke that the devs are only beginning to barely address like 20 years later in the remake.
The moment-to-moment gameplay in D3 is incredible. The skills, builds and gearing are abysmal. I don't understand why a dev can't rectify this. D4 feels clunky.
>muh ecelebs who get paid to shit on games told me to think like this
sad
>you play to get item but grind better in other game to get better item
>when you get item its fun
You just described getting paid for a job.
Just grind at your job, you can buy real things with the loot drops
no one wants to do the campaign. I have been playing this game before 1.10 on and off. got characters to 99 in hc closed, farmed jah's and ber's ssf online and whatnot and I tell you doing the campaign was by far the worst part no matter if its regular d2, d2r or a any of the mods like pod/pd2. anyone tell me they enjoy the campaign is either lying for whatever reason or only has done it a few times.
This. Literally no one plays D2 for the campaign. It's okay as a novelty the first time, but nothing special. In subsequent playthroughs you just rush to Mephisto/Sanctuary/Cows/Baal and start farming with little deviation based on your build.
And honestly the main campaign had some totally aids areas like maggot lair and flayer jungle that NO ONE likes unless they are sorc and just skip most of it kek.
You're right, but the campaign in D2 had a sense of progression like when you get the Act 2 destroying merc. D4 does not have mercs
Act 2 Merc wasn't good until nightmare.
Still was a better game and I'm itching to play it. I just need some buddies to go back into Hell and kill the prime evils
I agree it's better, but you're still wrong about the Merc and I suspect you don't really know what you're talking about.
They dumbed down the game and made it less customizable. Everyone in this thread who played Diablo 2 could go on and on about how much better Diablo 2 was. They just fricked up with Diablo 3 and now Diablo 4. It's a trash game. It sucks. It's fricking trash. It's garbage
Sure. Sounds like you never played Diablo 2 though, or enough to really understand why it was so good if you thinking getting the act 2 Merc on normal meant anything to anyone.
completely wrong. you can acquire Ral Tir Tal Sol before act 2 NM easily
merc wasnt good until you had insight and life leech helmet was around early hell for most people. so he was basically useless through out the regular campaign. also having a merc doesnt make the game automatically good. the only reason he made the game interesting was that he offered character and had more item slots to gear.
That's why it was good, so you answered your own question. The sense of progression was there, even if you didn't have the immediate options to gear out your merc
I rather have character power on my own character in form of additional gear slots than having to deal with a moronic ai that would constantly die. there was nothing special about the merc. holy fricking shit I dont get your delussional d2 fanboys. I love d2 as much as the next guy but guys are literally blind when it comes to d2. the game was good for its time but it has its own problems.
The strategy was there. If you wanted to make your merc better, you farmed for what you wanted.
I never said Normal. I said Act 2
Unless you’re actually mentally ill, the whole point of farming is to play the campaign again, maybe in a harder difficulty or new build with new items. Unless you’re about to tell me that D2 had worthwhile MP, which it certainly didn’t.
>the whole point of farming is to play the campaign again
No? Everyone farmed so they can trade up and can end game gear so they can farm end game content like Ubers. That's literally what the entire economy was based around. Are you a zoomer pretending 99% of game lobbies on battlenet weren't just
>Baal run
>Sanctuary run
>Cows
>Mephisto
>Trading post
Let me ask you something? What do you think those players did with the gear that they farmed? They just stayed on this recursive loop without getting off? Yeah no, everyone I played with had multiple characters and used the endgame to farm gear for alts.
>What do you think those players did with the gear that they farmed?
They used that gear to farm for end game runes and SoJs (or trade for them) so they can run Ubers and farm for annihilus charms. In terms of actual gearing yeah people did build alts but that doesn't change the fact that they still rushed those alts to the end game farm spots that I mentioned earlier or just tunneled on enigma and Hota anyways.
Seriously, it's pretty obvious now you never actually played Diablo 2 in it's heyday because, and I'll say it one more time, 99% of lobbies were farm runs. No one farmed with the intent of replaying the campaign.
>no true Scotsman
Very tiring and I feel no need to prove my Diablo II veteran badge to random internet strangers. It’s also pretty strange how you focus on battle net so much. I imagine that most people on Bnet were playing some form of MP (trading/pvp/pve) etc. so many of D2’s players played offline and solo and ram new characters through the campaign all the time. It may not have been how you played, but tons of people that you never saw played that way.
There was visible strategy to the way people played D2. It had depth, even though I hate using the word. It was just fricking great.
I don't know. I've not bought it, but I might. I torrented it to see what it was like, and Resurrected looks like a masterpiece of gaming
I know anon, I loved the game. My only original point was that the endgame in D2 was very lacking, because it was. I’m glad that you were able to enjoy 5 digit numbers of Baal runs. The rarest I ever got from him was a fricking light saber in d2r though.
Lol. I did Pits to find a Tyrael's Might on Slash servers and I pretty much quit after that. I found what I was after. But I could still go for some Pindleskin runs
It's definitely the healthiest Blizz game in terms of community and actual sales in a while. It really shows how much the corporate culture of ActiBlizz hurts their games.
Like I said Anon, if you played on battlenet you would know what the lobbies were like. The majority played to power farm and get into the economy.
But obviously you didn't and if your perspective is purely from single player then I will not argue, but I will also say that you are in the minority. Most people played online and that is where the game was built around with SoJ. It is pointless to continue this argument with you unfortunately.
I did player on battle net buddy, I’m just saying that you discount the giant solo player base that wanted nothing to do with the massively boring “endgame” on bnet. I did the whole thing for years, tons of items, alts runes and ears. This notion that everyone was an endgame farmer is just not true. I almost never did any of it relative to other parts of the game because it was so boring compared to them.
The majority of people played on battlenet, Anon. But either way the game was designed around online play and trading and that is wear the problems start to creep in. Unless you really think blizzard ever expected someone to solo farm complete runewords for multiple alts when the rare runes have like 1-5000 drop chances.
If you're a casual who never touched Ubers at all then that's fine, but you're not qualified to speak to the flaws and strengths of the game either compared to people who do actually experience every aspect of the game and especially in relation to D3.
The perceived elitism, even if the face of a colleague, is frankly astounding here. I did everything that you did in Diablo II, probably a lot more honestly since I played for so long. You’re probably a casual compared to me, but that isn’t going to stop you from mouthing off with a misinformed opinion, I suppose. The only thing you’re right about is that I’m unqualified to speak in d3 because I never played that shitty game. Fact remains that d2 continues to have a shitty endgame.
There's nothing elitist about my post though? You literally admitted to not interacting with the end game systems of Diablo 2 so I'm just saying you are not qualified to talk about all the flaws and strengths of the game. Someone who never got into the economy by doing a billion Baal runes to gear characters and also to farm ber or jah runes and trade for soj to eventually organize private Uber diablo runs with friends simply will never understand what made it so great not will they ever understand what was actually so shit about the balancing of the uniques/sets and classes and how the actual campaign became an afterthought.
Sorry but that's the truth. Anyways you're devolving into ad hom now so this is the last (You). Don't spend it all in one thread.
>There's nothing elitist about my post though?
>If you're a casual who never touched Ubers at all then that's fine, but you're not qualified to speak to the flaws and strengths of the game either compared to people who do actually experience every aspect of the game and especially in relation to D3.
Not that anon, but you don't have to complete every single part of the post-launch autism grind to have valid opinions on game design.
>Someone who never got into the economy by doing a billion Baal runes
>There's nothing elitist about my post though?
NTA but I was reading the comment chain and had to ask: did you actually read your post before submitting this?
No, you don't have to do a billion Baals just to grasp Diablo 2. The issue is that you're treating the D2 autism endgame as a necessary part of understanding D2 when the vast majority of ppl enjoyed the game as a dungeon crawl experimenting with cool builds.
Does the endgame give you a unique insight to a part of D2 thats flawed when you push the systems to it's limits? Sure. But lets not be fricking moronic and pretend the endgame systems in D2 were fully planned and thought-out back in the early 2000s. The core of the game was playing campaign.
I swear to god, Path of Exile mindbroke everyone. Vast majority of D2 players wanted to have fun not minmax
>Sorry but that's the truth
Spoken like a true leftist
That's stupid. Most of the consumer base is never going to touch that content. Analysis of what does or doesn't work should be both holistic and considerate of various playstyles and goals.
>He's right, but in Diablo 2, the campaign and items are so good that you want to do the campaign again, because it's just such a cool dungeon crawler.
lmao even. Tell me you never played D2 online without telling me you never played D2 online. Nobody gives a shit about the campaign. You know what D2 is? Farming the same spots over and over and over ad nauseam to make your desired character. Then, when you have that character, you use it to farm more efficiently for another character you want to make. And so on. People act like D2 was something so incredibly special in terms of its gameplay loop, but ultimately, it's a skinner box like any ARPG, and it's a monotonous one.
> Game has a large community of solo self found players
> Endgame autists: NOOO YOU DON'T COUNT YOU DON'T EXIST YOU MUST ONLY FARM BAAL REEEEE
That useless loser isn’t right about anything. And you’re a massive moron for watching him.
>Also, D4 needed a Paladin class from the get-go
it's going to be worth 40$ in the expanson
Teleporting blindly into the FoW is a great way to get instakilled.
Ummm ackshually I can play any build I want except the ones that can't clear hell, that's just called good gameplay!
>Played Diablo 2 Resurrected last night as Paladin, doing the first couple of quests. Got a nice little unique.
both D3 and D4 suffer from this
uniques have a good meaning, but in D3 and D4 they're just almost all of them, scrap materials
Yep. Uniques in D2 are like little nice milestones that build up your character and become BiS for a certain period of time. In D4 they're catered to your character when they drop. They're going to drop for your specific class with what the catered RNG drop system wants you to have. In D2, every item can drop for every character. In D4 it's catered. You also can't trade them.
The endgame in D4 is only tackling higher dungeons to do... what? Are you really going to get a better item once you get all the Legendaries you want? I don't understand the drop system, but it's definitely catered and crafted to drop to be best for you at any given time. There's no variety. You put it on and forget it.
Strong end game, chase uniques also offer a sense of progression other than "bigger number better."
If I get certain uniques from Mephisto for example and kit out my merc, I can go to AT. and If I get a Griffon's I can then go to The Pits.
D4 has no such sense of progression. The moment you turn off damage numbers, your build will feel the same. The content you do will feel the same.
You got it right.
Also, the big numbers on the screen are screen cancer. I just love Diablo 2, it's just great, and all these threads become is me explaining why Diablo 2 was so good and why the new games lose the real player base.
no, as someone that played original d2
if i find a nice item with shit rolls of stats but a good trait roll, then i can save it. it works with yellows as well, if i find a good damage rolled weapon, i can put the trait on it i found earlier, and im always checking most yellows for good rolls. it's more fun than d2, where you spend hours and hours and find absolutely nothing even worth looking at
and if you make that runeword in d2 that you spent hours grinding for and it rolls like shit, its over. useless crap
in d2, if you didn't run a farm bot, you are behind everyone else
d3 was similar when they added primal items, i didn't find a single one in the most recent season apart from the level 70 guaranteed one and it felt incredibly unrewarding to play for hours without finding anything
The sense of progression is not there. If you want to improve your character efficiently, you shouldn't be checking every yellow item in Nightmare. Just get Uniques. Then once you get to Torment, you check Ancestrals, and then what? The game ends, and nothing happens.
D4 sucks. I hate this game
>uniques have a good meaning,
bro what? The only uniques that actually mean something are shako which is already bis for 99% of the characters, Griff, and +1 ammy and rings. D2 itemization is fricking horrible and I really don't see it.
Diablo 2 will always have the best soundtrack, atmosphere, and gear progression out of the series to me, but the worst resource management. I fricking hate chugging mana potions and crawling my way to an Inspire Mercenary.
>d2
>itemization
why do people keep praising d2 itemization when it's shit like d3 and d4?
because it's not?
it is tho, you do the same shit you do in d3 / d4? Get the bigger number.
i'd rather do that 15000 times than play diablo 4
only poopsockers do this to grind to level 99 (because it's literally the only thing you can do, blame blizzard). real players stop in the mid 80s.
They can play it how they want. Once you get a character to a nice level you stop and ogle your character. Or go back to the grind to say you found a Tyrael's Might
>Diablo 3
>good
You silly goose
For me it was:
>DO YU NO HAV PHOOOOOOON?
that sold me on it
That was so fricking based. Shitters in the audience didn’t know what to think
based pc gaygs can't cope with multitasking they have to mold their chairs sitting 1K hour per day
There's a reason why people were okay with just running AT, The pits, Actboss runs, even lower kurast chest farming and never got burnt out in D2. However, instead of trying to analyze why, D4tards try and cope and uses a 20 year old game to try and make their 100$ purchase feel better.
They were on the right track with Resurrected. It looks and feels good this version. They could easily have gone a retro theme with Diablo 4 and brought back the old magic but they squandered the opportunity.
That's because D2:R they didn't have to reinvent the items.
Unfortunately in D4, they had to come up with itemization, and just like D3, they absolutely fricking butchered it. The horrible itemization is killing every single other content they have for the game, and I called it the moment the damage multiplier stat sticks that they like to call items were datamined.
it's coz of fricking consoles and mobile trash.
Except we did get burned out. Most people anyways. Turns out Baal runs and Ancient Tunnels get old after few weeks of it.
Diablo 4 has been out for 1 week and a half
That's why there's ladder resets. D2 providing you with a few weeks of entertainment, vs D4 having been out less than a week and that burn out is already there is not a good sign. D3 has this exact same problem, and it's pretty easy to see where this stems from. uninteresting items.
The fun I had with Diablo 3 was farming for BiS set items with my couple of friend that were catered to my account, and rerolling them to try to do higher rifts solo. It was only fun because I had the goal of becoming the best Crusader, and I got Number 2 Crusader without farming Paragon points with different classes.
Don’t disagree at all, let’s just stop fallating the corpse of Diablo II which has a terrible endgame because it was never supposed to have one at all. At least D4 is trying but I’m not surprised it’s so shitty. Why did you people buy this game again? You should have known better.
>At least D4 is trying but I’m not surprised it’s so shitty
They don't get paid to try. A game isn't judged by how much effort a dev team is putting through. It's how it plays.
And let's be honest here. Diablo 4 is literally just retreading and copying older ARPGs and miserably failing at it because the devs for this quite obviously do not play ARPGs. They don't understand why the systems they chose to copy works in the game they copied it from.
>they don’t get paid for trying
They still get paid by you apparently.
>Still get paid by you apparently
I haven't bought a single blizzard game since diablo 3 launch.
So you bought the worse Diablo game on launch. I remember thinking about it back in the day too, but stopped myself after how universally shitty it was received as.
Yes, at that point I was still naive about Blizzard's bullshit. I bought a copy for me and my younger brother since D2:LOD was one of my main games growing up. D3 sucked ass on launch, but it did push me towards POE so at least something good came out of it.
I think both d2 and d3 were decent. d3 had better combat obviously and was great at the end of its life. D4 to me feels like a major step back, I mained DH in d3 and rogue feels terrible by comparison.
SOVL
>D3 gays
>11 years of failure
>D4 failure is their only chance to pretend superiority
LMAO
A DECADE OF LOSERDOM
>D4 shill is using astroturfed controversy tactic to make same thread again
KYS
I just can't believe d2 Black folk are trying to say d2 is a better game than d4
like how? in what universe?
d4 does everything better
this is bait
>better gameplay
>better gameplay loop
>better itemization
>better story
>better world
>t-this is bait
It's insane to me to even compare the two
i have 2k hours played between d2,d2r and medianxl, you guys are just living in the past if you think d2 is still better, just move on to poe.
Still the GOAT
how do we go from d2r to d4? holy shit the quality difference is just jarring. the only thing d4 has going for it is the graphics. almost everything else is a step down.
D2R was done by a different studio
D2R wasent even made by blizzard, they contracted it out to someone else , and they hardly touched the game at all,other then visually it is almost exactly the same as D2 without any changes
>other then visually it is almost exactly the same as D2 without any changes
>new patches
yeah nice lie
oh so its kinda like how the best bethesda game is new vegas which they didnt even make
Blizzard fricked D2 though with patches.
The damager per frame lightning gloam, poison, corpse explosions all got taken out; which was the majority of the difficulty.
no one plays diablo for the difficulty
they also changed the talent tree to encourage you to go all in on one element then they gave you charms to break immunities. they ruined my frozen arrow/lighting jav build by taking out the synergy between charged strike and lighting fury because (lol this makes the meta lightning only build stronger)
>Blizzard fricked D2 though with patches.
Yeah. The switch to catering to autistic minmaxers was a mistake, synergies being an obvious illustration of that.
Li-Ming > D1 > D2 > D3 > D4
>D1 was the best game of the series
>all ARPGs ape on D2
>no D1 clones
>all the D1 mods try and copy D2 and detract from the game
suffering
as someone who never played D1, what does it do so differently from 2?
D2 is D1 on steroids, so everything is toned down a notch but the atmosphere and dungeon crawling is top tier
it's an actual game and not a loot simulator
>as someone who never played D1, what does it do so differently from 2?
It's a lot more fricking slow and tank lank-like for one fricking thing but another is that it has an extremely strong atmosphere despite it's old tech. Despite being a game developed in 1997 and before, Diablo 1 feels shockingly modern; Blizzard somehow knew how to make this type of game work back then and its still worth looking at today.
good taste
D3 on release was absolute dogshit and it deserved the hate it got. That being said, the improvements they made actually made it a fun ARPG, but by then nobody was playing it. My only complaint of D3 now is the shit story and now shit lore, and set items just being so overpowered
>shit lore, and set items just being so overpowered
now we have even shittier lore and NO set items. fricking blizzard. I swear they put more thought into the cash shop than the shit that actually mattered.
>i swear they put more thought into the cash shop than the shit that actually mattered
That's exactly what they did. Blizzard doesn't make games for you, they make them speificly for whales, they don't give two shits what you think because some fat Black person with a credit card is dropping 1k a week on mtx.
See:diablo immortal
Doing the shit you did to waste time as a kid isn’t a good idea as a grown ass man you legitimately have no concept of the passage of time nor are you cognizant to how stupid it is to repeat a basic task 15,000 times, that’s kid shit. Give me a meaningful experience somehow or just don’t and leave me alone. Adulthood literally is repetitive busywork 95% of the time, the 5% enjoyment I get I don’t want it to be the same thing. The grind is for kids, not men.
I'm still baffled how god damn garbarge hardcore mode is in Diablo IV. What the frick were they thinking?
>Diablo 2
>Getting to level 100 is completely optional, 95-100 is just an autistic grind
>Diablo 4
>moronic level scaling and uber lilith makes level 100 mandatory before "you can start playing the game"
nice comparison homosexual
sauce?
Loot in Diablo 2 fell for every single player. It was a good trading mechanic that led to competition in clicks. Good system
When I loaded up Diablo 3 and saw an auction house where I could buy an endgame weapon for 3 USD, I POGGED. Thank god I didn't have to deal with some shady ass website with fake money for trading LOL.
Diable IV is pretty good though. It's worth giving a shot in my opinion.
Based Fellow Diablo IV enthusiast.
Blizzard might have a lot of scandals, but their games are still a lot of fun!
>people love PoE
PoE has a free trade system with a currency system
>Diablo 4 has worthless items
Diablo 4 is for casuals. It is not for D2 real ARPG enthusiasts
Have you played Diablo IV?
Can you at least put in enough effort to not make it look so obvious?
I don't know which way you mean, if it's obvious that I'm pretending to be a marketer, or obvious that I'm mocking marketers
Sorry I was just having a little laugh lmao
endgame weapons or trifectas and shit in d3 when the auction house was still around didn't cost 3 dollars you fricking moronic zoomer. $250 was the max price on the auction house with cases of people buying items for well over that amount offline.
I just played it till I beat diablo then did the expansion stuff and put the game away, maybe if I had played closer to release/had friends/internet to do it with I might have done more, but he seems to be implying single player grinding frick that
Actually I'm not entirely sure I beat the expansion, I distinctly remember not really enjoying the diablo fight while I don't recall a thing about the expansion final boss, which was the one in the OP image right?
D2 is like Dr pepper. old yet refined and full of many flavors.
D4 is like sprite. Its just one shitty same flavor. Scaling is a mistake but it was made for Dad gamers so
Why are diablo devs so scared of putting in interesting items instead of just stat sticks?
Too much effort to code for 1 item like that
It's just cool isn't it? They're cool. The stat system sucks in Diablo 4. It's unintelligible. Armor apparently is better than resists in Diablo 4, so you just look at Armor stat + green and go with that. It's so simple and stupid.
I might go play PoE
Should I finally get into Diablo 2 or just replay Torchlight 2?
i cant get into any of these arpg games. like on paper i should love them because i pretty much only play rpg/mmo type games but it seems like you just grind for 1000 hours to get sick gear like in an mmo but you don't get the online clout that comes along with that since its pretty much a single player game.
Go play on SlashDiablo. I might go there soon if I can get my nephew to play. Don't play on Blizzard servers. They're gone to bots
Even 2 Resurrected?
>nu-blizzard shitting on Diablo 2
It's not enough that they ruined Warcraft 3
can you turn them off like Reforged graphics?
I bought wc3 years ago. I still have the disk. There is N.O. way to install it. They make you play the new shitty one. Ended up pirating it lmao.
base damage > vul > cc/cd > main stat > core
helmets: cdr% + armor%
boots: ms% + rcr%
amu: rcr% + cdr%
rest is pretty much just crit/armor/close damage or close damage mitigation
paragon boards are pretty much just pathing through glyph sockets and taking 1-2 rare nodes on the way. game is already figured out, nothing to explore. no uniques to test and no endgame to try the builds out on. we all know how blizzard works. we probably wont even get new shinny stuff or major changes in season 1.
I know you homosexuals are meming this D3 "was good" to piss of d2gays, but D3 was unironically great after the Kanai Cube was added and the removal of the cancer that was the real money AH. D3 as a game, played much better than D2. The biggest problem D3 had was that it was completely abandoned by Blizzard two years after RoS released. They just gave up and said frick it. Like they do with every expansion of WoW.
I can still go back and play my insanely broken OP monk build or DH and have fun with it. I can't say the same about D2 because it's aged horribly. The inventory management alone makes me not want to touch it.
the only time d3 was good was right after the inferno nerf. like a few months when we could finally do farm all acts and we still had the ah. not that the game was good at this point but it was playable and new and felt like we were exploring a whole new game. nowadays with all the datamined stuff before release and tools like pob games lost its magic of exploration.
>I can still go back and play my insanely broken OP monk build or DH
DH? Demon hunter? Is that class even good? Truth to be told I only played as DH in vanilla DS3 when that class heavily relied on Rapid Fire.
dh was really fun and fluid. Rogue in d4 doesn't really compare at all.
Without exaggeration it's probably the best class kit in D3. It simply does everything right. I just run a strafe build and zoom around a rift in about a minute. It can speedfarm and clear GR150s no problem. The only other class that comes close is Monk and WD (though Spirit WD got giga nerfed).
Years ago, but D4 release reminded me. Went back and played some more, still fun.
Why do games companies do this? Do they think it's epic and clever to shit on both their own games and their fanbase?
D3 BTFO in 10 words or less
a butterfly killed Deckard Cain
+300 dexterity
trillion damage dealt
very nice
1, 2 and 3 are all good games for different reasons, and 3 needed a massive overhaul to find its identity.
I really doubt 4 is ever going to find its niche when it's balancing battle passes and perpetual buy-ins against fun. D3 course corrected because the only way it could make cash was by getting players to think fondly of it so they would buy the DLC and encourage friends to try the game. 4 is following the WoW/OW formula of making money through player retention and milking whales, which leads to anti-fun design choices.
This is the real heart of it. Most of the anger with Blizzard is more about how they treat customers and tear down their own products over time. People wouldn't be as mad about Overwatch if you could still play OW1 content and the game had a dedicated offline/LAN mode. People wouldn't even give WoW as much shit if it didn't constantly destroy old things. A lot of the problems that caused anger at D3 on release was rectified, but the stink still remains because they refuse to give the core audience the console features/freedom. The Warcraft 3 fiasco was only such an issue BECAUSE they took away actual Warcraft 3.
If Blizzard stopped sucking its own dick so much the fanbase would be better and, arguably, overall sales higher. I know tons of people who just refuse to play most of their games because of the way they treat customers and products.
Baal minions gave you a huge chunk of exp unlike anything in D4
Also baal would drop crazy rares at times and some ultra rare uniques at times. Most of which could be identified as usefull at a glance.
Nothing compares to it in D4. Goddamnit, i wish devs would realize that we enjoyed these stupid long grind sessions because they were easy and chill, not because i had to keep an intense focus for hours and a single misstep would blow me up. I could download some banging music off limewire or kazaa, boot up winamp, slap it in the playlist, press shuffle, and grind away a few hours while chatting with friends on TS or messenger.
There were no moments in D2 where a single milisecond of a lapse in focus would obliterate me (as long as i farmed areas safe for my build) unlike what most modern arpgs do, which try to kill the player at any given moment.
This shithole has lost all credibility.
Tortanic ruined this place irreparably.
What a shit mechanic Renown is. What a joke. I hate it.
>if you think diablo 4 is bad, just look at this game from 2001!
why do they do this? this argument does not make diablo 4 look good.
It was better. Simple as. It was a more enjoyable game, but maybe you're the target audience for D4, because you're too stupid to understand the depth and complexity of Diablo 2. Get the zoomer haircut and you'll be right there
Because OLD BAD NEW GOOD is how Marxists operate.
I like D4 and D2, it just so happens that D2 is one of my favorite games of all time. It's not perfect though nothing is, and it's flaws aside, I still keep coming back to it over 20 years later. D3 was fun and pretty good too, but it just didn't have the longevity that D2 brings because everything is handed to you SO fricking fast and easily in the same way that D2 Ladder is really only super engaging for the first few weeks to month or so, even as somebody who doesn't ladder start with a Sorc or Pally because I can just trade up for my key pieces with PGems, Rals, and Key sets alone to everyone who DID start with a Sorc/Pally.
Having said that, the reason D2 still works to this day despite "15,000 a day Baal runs" although not true, because there's a ton of other farms than just Baal council for exp, is because you have clear cut long term goals to work towards which are further enabled with trading. D3 fricked this up with RMAH so they could have had it but didn't, and D4 seems to be taking the D3 RoS endgame route wherein you're given everything and really you're just looking forward to hitting level 100. But it's a live service game so we'll see what they come up with.
Either way, whoever posted that on Reddit is a total gay and has not spent nearly enough time with D2 as they'd like to appear to have.
I'm not looking forward to level 100, so speak for yourself. I'm not looking forward to a grind that leaves me broken with nothing but shitty Uniques that do nothing substantial to my build with useless affixes and eventually lead to nothing of value. There's not even a competition system at the time of release like Rift dungeons. It's trash
>D4 seems to be taking the D3 RoS endgame route wherein you're given everything
Is this an opinion from experience? Because I don't see how, D4 itemization is much more gradual than D3 and you need to keep up with world scaling so you're constantly looking for better gear.
You're not constantly looking for it. You get the better gear at the beginning of the tier change. I can tell how the drop system works. It's not random. It's made to slightly improve your character and then once you find the BiS, you'll basically never find a better one in a respectable amount of time. It's a weird drop system that wastes your time.
Yes, I love it. I wasn't shitting on it, pal
So far, yeah. However I've been no-lifing it when I can from day 1 of early access so my experience is likely skewed, but for me I'd found pieces with the affixes that are most desirable for me, and I've just held onto them until finding something at least most similar with the most key 1-2 attributes. For me it's felt like the most defining factor in my power growth has been Paragon board levels because say there's a few pieces I haven't really upgraded in a bit, the Paragon levels have kind of been a pad to make up for that, so I would just say that levels seem to be for me personally the most longterm goal thing. But as far as legendary aspects go, aside from like one aspect (Trample creates Landslides), I've found every other key aspect pretty damn often enough.
I honestly don't know why the unique and legendary aspect pool is so fricking anemic, I really don't think there's an excuse for that other than withholding for the sake of seasonal release "content".
I've been playing Reign of Terror, the Diablo 2 mod inside Grim Dawn. This has been my first experience with D2.
I always knew it was the only good one
It's the only one with something resembling actual gameplay, and not just holding down right click to spam the single skill you put all your points into so you can engage in the proto-gacha gambling for 0.001% chance loot drops that don't change anything.
Diablo 3 > 1 >>> Immortal >>> 4 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2
Weird bait. It's okay to just say 1-3 are good at different things without bringing the money sinks into it.
I don't get it. Why doesn't blizzard just poach some POE designers to design some interesting items for them?
David Brevik. The rest of the PoE guys are good, but they copied the ideas from Diablo 2. Not a bad thing, but the universe of PoE is objectively worse because Diablo was just... Diablo. It was like the universe came together to make the best first two games ever made in the genre, D1 and D2. Then PoE came along and made a shitty setting, but with perfect mechanics. If Blizzard were smart, they would buy GGG and make masterpieces. This shit is a joke. It could be fricking amazing.
PoE's plot was originally built around just being an exile, then getting back at Dominus, then Malachai came around and he was the big bad for a while. All of a sudden here comes acts 5-10, now you have to slay a literal fricking god but then GGG also wants postgame lore so how do you top slaying a god? I guess uhhh now you travel between worlds killing even more gods except woops we gotta put more content out, turns out you didn't kill those gods it was just a dream state and here are some other new gods you have to slap down?
Yeah the lore kept taking "logical progressions" in terms of how far it went but it went too far, too fast, and now PoE's lore is a trainwreck.
You have to go balls deep and fight the Devil.
Sirus's story with Zana alone shits on D4's story though.
He also has a better theme than anything in the Diablo 4 OST
Everything shits on D4's story, I was just saying PoE's story is definitely not good and there's a reason why nobody actually cares about the story or atmosphere in PoE, they just want their autismal Path of Building game. Which is fine, I don't personally mind PoE, but they realized pretty quickly that each league gets stale so they have to keep resetting the game to keep people interested.
>Which is fine, I don't personally mind PoE, but they realized pretty quickly that each league gets stale so they have to keep resetting the game to keep people interested.
I mean at that point I'm sure the POE devs realized why D2 had ladder resets before they even released POE.
Leagues are cool. It's like D2 ladder but better. PoE gets almost everything right except for setting. Their world needs to fight the Devil
I'm this gay
and when I got to the Lost City, I instantly thought of PoE lol I was like "ah so that's where they got the eclipse idea". A lot of stuff has been clicking in place from experience with other ARPGs over time, seeing where they got inspiration and such.
WOW WHAT A COOL ITEM
>when you teleport, it pulls enemies to you
>if you pull too many enemies to you, they trap you inside them
>you are required to spend an evade charge if you want to move
THANKS!
if you aren't killing the whole mob in one or two hits with the extra ranks of glass cannon anyways, you already had bigger things to worry about besides moving out of a mob
>Fire Shield lets you move unhindered through enemies Legendary Affix
hmmm
>game only has 37 uniques
Whaaat?
20 years later, blizzcucks are still seething over Diablo 2, because all their games are being compared to it and they are worse.
Well, what's your rarest drop Ganker? I don't know which one between these two but I think these are my rarest.
Vex rune I think.
Nice. Me, I've never gotten a Ber but as I've shown I've got a Cham which is Infuriating.
Having 19 summons at level 24 is BALLIN'
lookingood.jpg
is this Reign of Terror? Is it a 1:1 copy or something of D2?
From my understanding, it is as close to accurate (1:1) as they could get it, yes.
https://forums.crateentertainment.com/t/mod-reign-of-terror/35347
post build pls
I'm just going off of https://web.archive.org/web/20201130015726/https://www.reignofterrorgd.com/buildguides/summoner
Playing again. I'm finished with the Spider Jungle and headed to the Great Marsh with my homies, while I chill under this big skull.
Diablo 1 is the only good Diablo
If I was in prison and had Diablo 1 or even 2 on a tablet, I would be in Heaven
>or even 2
Did I fricking stutter?
How does that differ from doing rifts endlessly?
Rifts have even less memorable bosses / enemies to kill along the way than just doing baal runs
Diablo 4 shitshow in 12 minutes
For me, it's sacred
Basado
D2 shows how little you need. But new games can't even do that, they have lot noise that doesn't add up to much. It kind of looks like all the extra is really a distraction making the core of the game worse somehow.
Diablo 4's retail disk will completely be different from its patches. This game sucks and needs major overhauls. It's such a pile of shit that I don't even want to play it. It needed a Paladin class, but they'll add that in the expansion. The game is shit and I despise it. Not worth my time.
I asked in another thread, but no answer, so I'll ask here.
Is necromancer fun (to play) in Diablo IV as same as in Diablo III?
NO. barbarian and sorcerer are the only ""fun"" chars since they're op af
I am a simple man. All I need is Corpse Explosion and an army of skeletons, and if necro in D4 has it - I am good.
I haven't got the game yet, I'm waiting for Series S to arrive.
ITS STARTING!
NM dungeon XP getting buffed.
Sigils will create a waypoint to the dungeons, eliminating the travel time.
>stop playing the game until we fix everything
got it
Yes. They are trying to get the changes out prior to Season 1 so take a break I guess.
Season 1:
Story skip will carry through every season
You won't have to reveal the map again.
Only capital city waypoints will be activated.
Altars of Lilith will carry over, they'll show up on your map, will apply to alts as well.
You'll get the renown from Altars/discovery off the bat. Have to earn the rest to max it out.
Sidequests will reset.
Something is being developed to move Gems to be similar to your crafting mats, instead of a dedicated gem tab, more for season 2 and beyond.
D3 has been out for 10 years. D4 has been out for 10 days. Not really fair to compare the two.
it is, because they're made by the same studio
I'm just delivering the news.
get your punctuation using ass out of here
No. HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
No planned changes to the teleport system. Still have to port to town, to port to friends.
Looking at resource generation. Don't want to make resource gen too strong.
The XP buff to NM dungeons will NOT increase mob density, just the per mob xp.
Customizing your character after creation(hairstyle) is a lower priority to add.
Once Season 1 begins, you're renown bonuses will NOT be shared amongst alts. i.e. each alt will need to fill up the renown separately.
For the past decade I've gone and given D3 a try and but I've never been able to even get through the main story acts. Meanwhile I've gone through Normal/Nightmare/Hell in D2 a hundred times. I really don't know, but I just don't like the content design and the classes in D3 or something.
Oh shit personal opinions thread? Alright:
I liked D1
I loved D2
I thought D3 was mid
I think D4 is pretty fun so far
All this hate and dislike but who/what do you think will be featured in the expansion? DIBLO? BLAL? MPHSITO?
It's obviously going to be a Mephisto dlc. Diablo has had three games to frick around and Baal had an expansion. Only one of the primes that never got much focus until now was Mephisto.
What would Auriel's BF be up to now? After Zakarum which religion will be buttfrick?
Diablo is going to show up for EoS/sunsetting in order to get one last influx of suckers.
I hate these games. It's too hard to tell which gear is better than what I already have
typically you end up hoarding
>maybe this is actually good
>maybe I need this later
yea thats my problem, it turns into a massive backpack/stash juggle everytime i get a drop
None of the new arpgs, as far as I know, have removed the hoarding problem. Some even make it worse and sort of lean into it by giving the player more stash tabs/space. I think players want to hoard.
Diablo is just cookie clicker with demons. Why do you still cling to this shite?
diablo 3 is the only game i have fallen asleep while playing
imagine having fallen so far as a company that you need to shill against your own game from 25 years ago because people would still rather play that then the game you just released
reminder that D2 (and i include D2R here) will outlive d4 and people will still be playing it in another decade after d4 has been forgotten and the whales have moved on.
>imagine having fallen so far as a company that you need to shill against your own game from 25 years ago because people would still rather play that then the game you just released
>reminder that D2 (and i include D2R here) will outlive d4 and people will still be playing it in another decade after d4 has been forgotten and the whales have moved on.
this is actually pretty darn funny
D1 is also good
Is it true that people like Diablo 2 because it only has 3 difficulty settings, which means D2 fans aren't used to higher difficulties and are filtered by Diablo 3?
Diablo 3 was okay, I had a lot of fun being a wizard. But it's very Current Year that Heaven got invaded and Angels are actually bad guys and Tyrael is black.
Diablo 2 was great, but dragged on too much.
Diablo 1 becomes the best, by far, with a script to auto-click. The other games all become worse with that 1 change.
D4 you worship a demon or something so I'm just not going to buy it, that's too Pride month for me anymore. I'm sure in 5 you'll just be a demon.
Are we just gonna act like we didn't have important blacks in 1 and 2.
Is that what you think I'm doing? I just said Tyrael. I love the Sorcerer and the mutt Paladin, I'm a mutt too.
I am also a racist, so don't worry you can discard my entire opinion. I'm sure you love the Remake Paladin.
You don't worship a demon in d4.
In fact, you trust demons so little that when close to Mephisto, you let Neyrelle use the stone instead of yoursell.
We're 100% getting a prime evil dlc, and considering how i've much fun i've had with d4, i'm sure i'll love any class they add. Lilith is a better fight than pretty much any Diablo fight we've had at this point.
You can't spell pride month without demon
>D4 you worship a demon or something so I'm just not going to buy it, that's too Pride month for me anymore. I'm sure in 5 you'll just be a demon.
Sort of, Mephisto basically tricks you and your crew into being his buds because his daughter is a manipulative b***h and is sperging out and trying to upset the whole good vs. evil balance. There's a church but they worship a literal traitorous angel and get stomped for their misplaced faith.
It's a decent campaign.
Only brain fried salivators play arpgs
Imagine playing that fricking slop.
I would rather do baal runs for another 25 years, then touch that gatcha whale bait trash.
>gatcha whale bait trash
just don't buy cosmetic.
i'm tired of baal run, i wanna do something else and i have fun here right now. I still got 4 other classes to try
They said they were going to return to the horror of Diablo 1 but didnt. Why?
>game conference starts
>burger instantly starts eating
>making fun of the only game that is the reason for your game existing
Damn I guess blizzard games always sucked dick.
Nobody actually does 15,000 baal runs. Most people just buy shit off d2jsp or trade what they have.
doinked duriel (on normal lol)
what in the frick is that UI
Diablo 2 is honestly go-
>Act 3 Jungle
frick that shit brotha, im outta here
I have never met a single person who actually likes Act 3 pre-Lower Kurast. As much as I love the game, Act 3 is absolute fricking dogshit. Act 2 is somewhat close but still much more tolerable, really only held back by Maggot Lair.
Don't confuse your fear of insects with the game being bad.
Maggot lair is a fricking b***h of a level for necros
>diablo 4 is better because diablo 2 is shit!
>this is why you're bore... wait where are you going?!
>why aren't you playing diablos! You should play diablos and buy M$ and get angry at random drops
>no no NO NO
>NO DON'T PLAY OTHER GAMES
>NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO-
Because of D2R, D2 is unironcly going to out-live D4, a game relased 25 years later
What is this obsession with End Game that Blizzard fans have? Why are they so eager to discard/ignore most of the game, which is where Blizzard put in the most effort at this point.
Act 3 is not so ba-
>
frick that shit im out
Absolutely nothing compared to those fricking little wienersucking dolls from Durance and Worldstone.
those are variations of fetishes...no?
Undead variations, yeah that's true. I just assumed they reused the skeleton for them but looking them up now they're an undead variation so I guess so.
>gore is fine
>nipples aren't
diablo sucks btw Gauntlet is better
>the second thread featuring this literal reddit screencap OP image
>will also be allowed to reach 500 posts, just like the first one did
>the next one will too
mods = worthless fricking Black folk
mods = worthless fricking Black folk
mods = worthless fricking Black folk
Diablo 1 > diablo 4 > diablo 2 > diablo 3 > diablo immortal.
worst taste in the whole thread
To be honest I only guessed that diablo 4 was second best, I only played it for like 1h. But it felt okay. Diablo 2 was better for its time for sure but these days I don't really feel like replaying it. Diablo 1 is still awesome and the only diablo I would ever play again.
why do yall like diablo 1? like the whole point of the games is grinding gear and upgrading to make ur character look badass and gear doesnt even make ur character look that different in d1
it's almost like the games back then focused on gameplay and not dress-up
I don't play diablo 1 like that, just play through it once. It's short and satisfying, very immersive, it pulls me in.
>yall
Go the frick back.
Never played D2, is that actually needed or just minmax gay bullshit for people who want items with perfect rolls that have a 0.0000000001% odd of dropping, when a 1% drop from random shit would have 80-90% of its effectiveness?
Teleport is what the game revolves around. anything that can teleport is automatically better than anything that can't
Ok, but are the odds of getting teleport gear that fricking low?
yes. and you don't even get the runes you need for the teleport armor from baal. you farm out little side dungeons within a certain level range, and we're talking 1 in 100000 or worse chances
You can buy a teleport staff from an npc in Act 3. It will come with I think 33 charges of Teleport on the staff, and you have to go to a repair NPC to restore the charges but it costs a LOT of gold. It's doable, but you'd have to go out of your way to make gold on the side just to fund your Teleport cast charges, it's just a pain in the ass really. Otherwise the only other way to get Teleport on a class that isn't Sorceress is via the Enigma chest piece runeword, which is the most sought after piece of gear in the game, and uses two very very rare Runes to make.
You have a few different farms. Some classes dont even farm bosses well so they just do areas.
You have
>boss farm, including some mini bosses
>area farm (different classes/specs do different areas)
>some bosses double as an area farm (chaos sanctuary/ worldstone/baal runs
>then you have key farm, where you go through an area to kill a specific mini boss at the end and hope it drops a key
>then you have travincal farm which is a grouped mini boss farm which is good specifically for barbarians
>then you have elite mob farm (basically groups of mobs with special affixes have an elite leader, so as a barbarian you hunt those packs down, CC the minions, kill the leader, then move to next pack)
>then you have uber tristram farm, which is like a boss farm of the endgame where yo uuse keys to open special portals
basically sorc is better at almost all of it than anyone else. Exceptions being barbarian is best at a few like trav and elite mob farm. necro is best at huge mob packs. paladin best at ubers. Paladin becomes best when you have teleport item because it becomes a better sorc. You do have a few different types of farms thoug hand if you arent autistic and want to play something other than sorc or paladin you can find something you can farm well with that class. Druid for example is a very safe class to clear chaos runs with in starter gear, but its more slow, steady, and safe compared to sorc being faster and therefore better.
does diablo iv work good on linux
People are playing it fine on SteamDecks/Proton.
They're all good
Amazon has always been and will always be the best race.
>diablo 1 end game
0/10
>diablo 2 end game
1/10
>diablo 3 end game
5/10
>diablo 4 end game
5.1/10
Diablo 1 is the best Diablo.
diablo and diablo ii are the only good ones. diablo brought the sense of atmosphere and immersion while diablo ii enhanced the gameplay. everything afterwards is just another dragon quest reiteration
>zoomers having nostalgia over D3
It had to happen eventually.
Why do people pretend to like Diablo?
it's the estrogen
What's your favorite item in all of the Diablo franchise?
Oh that's obvious.
>have to do renown grind every fricking season
diablo 4 bros....
Its over.
I don't play the game but that's literally what those games are built around, grinding.
i have a special kind of envy for people that can can enjoy the same grinding, game after game, season after season
Diablo 2 came out in 2000 and has a lot more meaningful endgame since the itemization is a million times better than Diablo 4 and there is no level scaling. This moron also ignores the past two seasons of D2R where they have started added endgame stuff like Terror Zones, Skill Buffs, and Sunder charms to get rid of immunity.
I played Diablo 1 to death at this point, both with The Hell mods and without. What should I play next?
I didn't like PoE or Grim Dawn, and I've also beaten D2 with every class.
Give me your suggestions, Ganker
D4
>giving blizzard money after WC3 Refunded
I'm good
d2 mods
I'd fricking love an edit of this that says "OP Who Sucks wiener".
Diablo 2 in Grim Dawn.
Grim Dawn.
titan quest
Okay I've got it
Rock n' Roll Racing inside of Diablo 4 but instead of vehicles you use the horse
I really dont understand why people complain that D4 has no endgame when D2 has literally no content
>doing Baal Run
>dozen or so runs, having fun, good banter, some guy is a Paladin so we got all the good auras
>"remake"
>next room fills up without me
As someone who fails to join Baal runs in time, and then just types in the game name but the next number up and spams the "Join" button waiting for the next game to be made so I can take someone's place... I just want to say... ||i am so very getfricked sorry||
I hate these comparisons. Standards change. ARPGs are an established genre with multiple titles that have substantial endgames. You can't just release another horse carriage when everyone is driving around in Model-T Fords and justify it by saying, "Well back in the day we all rode horses". Not to say Diablo 2 is a bad game but I'm not investing in a horse in the current year to get me around town if you catch my drift.
Sounds like you just hate games that aren't popular
they should make an arpg mmo like diablo combined with runescape that would be sick
Recommendation in D2 mods?
I remember I enjoyed hell unleashed many many years ago.
>if you're bored with d4 go play a better game
well ok
I hate that there is a fricking cancerous diablo 2 general on /vg/ but not diablo 3 lol
i never understood diablo homosexuals beating these games more than once or twice.
i love using the argument that the progenitor of arpgs didn't have a proper endgame, as a defense for its second sequel in 23 fricking years having one just as bad as the first sequel, that had a universally despised end game. what a gormless little moron.
Whats with this obsession of endgames and infinitely replayable video games? Nothing changes, you just get some bigger numbers. Dummies upset about not having a vidya treadmills should try using one IRL.
15,000 times without dying*
1-2 is good
3 was really bad at launch so I never played it again after finishing the story and farming a bit
then
not gonna play 4
PoE is the best of the genre and playing low density mob bullshit after doesnt feel good
PoE is only the best if you want something to invest thousands of hours into. Not everybody looking to pick up an ARPG wants that. D4 is for those people. It'd be like comparing counter strike to splatoon. The fact that you're making the comparison at all is the problem.
>D4 is for those people.
>Live service game you can't play offline.
Honestly D3 is better for them.
>can't play a game offline
>means it's bad
This hasn't been a valid criticism since 2010. Most people sit down to play games today have a steady internet connection. Even people in rural bumfrick nowhere have at least 5 meg down. That's more than enough to play liveservice games smoothly.
>Casual player
>Setting up online account
>Caring about FOMO
>Not getting pissed if they can't play their game during an outage
lol
lmao
Actually I like d4 because the actual "ACTION" part of the game is really good, and much better than poe where streamers don't even look at the screen and just run around aoe'ing.
You guys do know some of us play these games for the gameplay right?
Nothing you've said is incongruent with what I said.
>I'd rather play a game that has fun moment-to-moment gameplay rather than one that requires a ton of effort upfront to craft an unkillable cold dot build
is basically what you said, and that's in essence what I was hinting at.
why mention streamers, who is literally professionals in playing the game, and how they don't have to look at the screen?
you would have been fine if you just said "I like the action better in d4"
What are they doing with D3 right now anyway?
Are they just going to endlessly cycle the seasons or has that ended?
When I was playing Diablo 3
touch grass and have sex
t. redditors
i thought reddit was shut down because 3rd party monetization or something
it was never shut down globally--the website was/is enforcing some "use our app and nothing else" rule so some certain subforums shut down 'in protest' for 2 whole days
the website isnt enforcing shit. its the moderators of the subs and they dont get paid to mod. they do it for free. and they are the ones enforcing it.
>hot takes
didn't even need to read anything beyond that since anyone saying that is a moronic npc that worships twitch e-celebs
.failed normalgays are just comedy. they can't comprehend that some people treat gaming as a hobby and not a past time like they do
>Adult gamer
>Unemployed
>SEO copywriter
Reddit being stupid as always. One of the major complaints right now is that blizzard won't let players mindlessly farm.
When the frick will these fricking idiots learn to stop fricking insulting Diablo 2
>endgame
is for autistic fricks. Grinding too, for that matter.
Just finished Act 4 on D2R with a fricking barb (no fricking aoe). Holy shit, what a garbage experience that was. This was my first time playing D2 and I'm not even gonna touch Act 5. I just went from mob to mob, holding down the Double Swing button, and that was literally the entire game. Combat is complete ass in 2023 and I don't understand why people still rate it above the other Diablo games.
i hope you impress a mexican, bro
Melee is genuine trash in Diablo 2 and I always recommend beginners to at least stay far away from barb because it's about as fun as watching paint dry
as a barb you basically have two options:
use the shouts to be a weird caster barb
OR
use your CC to CC regular mobs then kill the elite mobs/bosses quickly then move on to the next pack.
Its not worth killing everything unless you really need XP and even then id say only kill the elite mobs minions. this is less true at the start of the game but becomes more and more true as you progress and damage falls off.
barbarian is actually the most interesting class because you have so many different abilities to be switching between to maximize effectiveness until you are geared. (unless you do shout mage wannabe build and spam shouts)
What's a basic simple "diablo 2 builds" website?
no idea nobody plays that trash
It used to be The Arreat Summit...but it's gone
Maxroll leveling guides will handhold you all the way through hell and you use diablo2 io for trading.
I'm looking for more variety/options beyond the same one or two primary minmax leveling builds, which is what the majority of websites tend to hit me with.
I was gonna say Diablofans then I looked and it's just empty. Why do they even have the category?
What was the point of farming baal 15000 times? Honestly? Runes for pvp or something?
he could drop basically anything so it was a good way to build wealth.
chaos sanctuary was the best place to actually get exp to level, before terror zones popped into the game.
best place for runes is to pop superchests in the kurast.
But why?
>Diablo endgame
Why don't you just like, beat the game and play something else?
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diablo 2 is trash