Played it for past 4 days
>level 24 marauder
>4 crafting professions at lvl 16
>can only play for about half an hour, need to go do something else to wake up because I'm literally falling asleep
Also I finished in the pirate town and arrived in some forest one.
Low level quests everywhere - they are shown on the map just as any other quest, so no way to tell whether or not I should be bother doing it other than mouseovering to check it. Same with the desert city.
Are you supposed to save those for when you level another class or is it okay to do them with your high level one and get those 50xp no worries?
Are the maps this shit in higher lvl areas too? By shit I mean bunch of corridors full of invisible walls connected by lines that don't make any sense.
What do people even do other than standing around emoting at each other?
It doesn't. The game doesn't fundamentally change even at the current expansion. You'll still be needlessly ferrying between quest NPC's and gathering worthless materials like a chode. You just sink enough time and money to activate sunk cost fallacy and become a shill
>ferrying between quest NPC's
Yeah sometimes it feels like I'm playing a visual novel. Why does every little thing needs six paragraphs...
>I'll assume you're doing the free trial
Yeah, can't imagine I would buy and sub to something I have only ever seen shilled by deranged morons at /wowg/ and got my questions completely ignored in its designated general.
Also what about materia? I got weapons and armor that can slot them, but never has it been mentioned, not even in those ever appearing tutorials.
And wtf is Linkshell? Apparently, being on trial account, I'm banned from using them, whatever the frick they are.
The story will tell you about materia later. You don't need to worry about them until endgame though, they just upgrade gear, but you are OP right now anyways.
A linkshell is basically just a persistent, private chatroom you can invite people too. Free people can't because bots I guess.
>materia
They're unlocked via a blue quest, minimum level 19. Go to Central Thanalan (the desert area) and check your map.
>Linkshells
In-game group chat. The free trial doesn't let you do social stuff so linkshells aren't open for you.
>only ever seen shilled by deranged morons at /wowg/ and got my questions completely ignored in its designated general.
sorry that happened to you homie, both generals are shit flinging mogfests and rage bait
Avoid the generals at all cost. Nothing but samegayging avatargays stroking themselves to their own modded characters. If you see them in game feel free to report them for modding.
Yeah I am sure the GM will be able to look on their screen and witness the mods after that. moron lmao
>Yeah sometimes it feels like I'm playing a visual novel.
The MSQ is a visual novel, there's only gameplay once every few hours. FFXIV is by far the worst mmo for leveling, it's actively malicious toward group play because there is no "play" at all, you just walk from npc to NPC watching cutscenes.
If you don't care about the story, either buy a boost and start doing savage raids, or play a different game.
>>Is current tier savage the only place gear matters? Feels like everywhere else you get scaled down even the new raids.
>Yes, gear is almost completely pointless in this game. As far as I can tell they just have it as a way to make you feel a mild dopamine hit on a regular basis.
>Most of the RPG elements in this game are there for literally no reason, like the persistent shared world.
HOLY FRICK IT'S AN ACTUAL DISCORD BUMP!!! DISCORD XIV RAID ACTUALLY CONFIRMED!
are you high?
Oh please we know you're from the lucky seven discord. Have to keep your xiv general from archiving lmao
>Oh please we know you're from the lucky seven discord.
the what? please seek help, your hallucinations are out of control.
>thread has no posts for 30mins
>post a random info dump of shit OP already got answered
Discord bump
>wow, i can't believe someone new entered a public thread and didn't read the entire thing
>the only explanation for this just happens to be the same as my schizo hallucinations
what a coincidence!
Shut up Kirichi Sabunobu @ Diabolos
Is this really your entire analysis of the situation? You're really too stupid to think of any other plausible explanation?
Stop trying to redirect. We know you're from the lucky seven discord.
I've never heard of that discord before, but I'm open to hear out what evidence you have. No, "I feel like this is true" isn't evidence.
We can play she said he said but we all know you're from it. Isn't it better to admit it?
Nothing in this post is evidence. Please post evidence and then I'll respond.
>We
Take your meds
>Not dismissing you're from the discord and instead going for denial
Yup. That's what I thought. Discord.
>Makes claim
>no evidence, just "admit it"
STFU or provide some evidence you actual spaz
Nice try, but we know you're from the unlucky eight discord. Can you kindly leave? Thanks.
You know what i rather take Schizo shit than the obsession with Barry and people LARPing as him.
This tbh
Its your own fault for playing a mmorpg
>for playing a WoWclone
ftfy
But WoW isn't like this at all. No other MMO has almost no gameplay for hundreds of hours, it's only FF14 that's like this.
I'll assume you're doing the free trial
>Are you supposed to save those for when you level another class or is it okay to do them with your high level one and get those 50xp no worries?
You don't really need to do most of sidequests since you can level at least 2 jobs per expansion but they do flesh out the setting a lot more. They're best done within the context of the content.
With that said check if they have a picture /banner on them, most of the time they give stuff or unlock content like blue quests.
>Are the maps this shit in higher lvl areas too? By shit I mean bunch of corridors full of invisible walls connected by lines that don't make any sense.
They get more open around Heavensward, even moreso by Stormblood onwards since they've dropped PS3 support by then.
>What do people even do other than standing around emoting at each other?
Whatever the hell they want. You don't have to raid 24/7 since catching up is easy as frick.
Literally just do msq. Ignore sidequests completely, unless it has a special icon which means it unlocks something for you
Ignore sidequests.
Do the MSQ quests (they look like the quest icon, but "on fire").
If you want to level an alt, do the leveling dungeon roulette.
It doesn't.
>When does this get fun?
When you finish ARR and start getting to HW, lvl 50 or so.
This is a lie. I've finished ARR and HW recently and I'm still waiting for the fun part. ARR or HW, it doesn't matter. It's the same game, the only difference is that you now know Shiva fricked a dragon or something. I don't know, don't care. XIV has some nice music (still nowhere near the best FF OSTs) and an online version of Triple Triad which is based. Other than that.. nothing. It makes me actually angry that so many people pretend this to be a top tier FF just because they spent way too much money on it at this point.
>I don't know, don't care.
If you don't care after hours and hours the game probably isn't for you.
>the game probably isn't for you
Yes, that's what my post was about. I love FF and I heard nothing but good things about XIV, so I wanted to experience it for myself, but after finishing HW I just don't GET it. I wanted to love it, but the game is an absolute chore to play.
What do you like about other ff games that you dislike about 14? all i've got from you is "the story hasnt invested me"
The story isn't even the problem, it's alright (even though it took ages to get kinda interesting). I just can't get over the boring gameplay loop. I don't really know what I expected, it *is* a MMORPG after all, but with all the rave reviews I guess I expected a more FUN experience.
My stupid ass bought the whole game including all the expansions, so I will probably continue at some point when I have nothing else to play. Again, I want to like it and I wouldn't have played north of 100 hours if it was an absolutely miserable experience, but after reading for years how this is the best FF ever I was kinda shocked and disappointed how little I enjoyed it.
Did you play Shadowbringers?
Only ARR and HW so far. But that's the thing, the story might get better but the gameplay will stay pretty much the same, won't it?
Class design and fight design dramatically improves from Stormblood onwards.
>gameplay
In other words?
With every expansion, earlier expansions get dumbed down when it comes to job skills and rotations.
Depending on your job, you might be looking at mid/end stormblood until you start to actually have more than 5 buttons + 2min cooldowns
Oh i should also mention, heavenswards story doesnt come together till 3.3, 3.0 is nice and all but it can be a little underwhelming without later perspective.
Out of curiosity, have you done the side raids? Coils though nearly impossible to do synched now is a very different type of experience and just fighting the final boss has given a few of my friends a different perspective of the game.
Bashing your head against a decades worth of one type of content is absolutely going to start burning you out, the side content is needed for pacing.
Though if its the essence of the tab targeting combat thats underwhelming for you..yeahhh that is just gunna be the curse of the mmo. but pve encounters do drastically improve from stormblood onwards, as does the storytelling within said encounters.
Heavensward is talked up mostly for the story and music alone.
oh* and as the other guy said the class design improves with each expansion threshold you reach too.
Maybe the game is not for you?
Just play something else.
>doesn't care
>complains story is shit
curious why you kept playing then? in before because strangers in a fricking imageboard told you so
>It makes me actually angry that so many people pretend this to be a top tier FF just because they spent way too much money on it at this point.
Imagine actually getting angry because you can't fathom the idea that people might have different tastes. Holy frick anon.
shit taste
It is a top tier FF story for sure. ARR is on par with most of the NES's titles and the full package with Endwalker is possibly the best written in the whole franchise.
The gameplay is good for MMO standards. Running dungeons and trials is enjoyable. They are few and far between tho, so I can understand the critiscism in that regard since a solid 80% of the time is you doing busywork and fetch questing to get to the actually fun parts (although ShB and especially EW has invested heavily in solo duties and a lot of them are super fun and engaging).
it doesn't get "fun" and it doesn't EVER open up in terms of gameplay direction. you're fricked and stuck doing MSQ for 200+ hours of "gameplay" "content"
if you like a singleplayer visual novel you might enjoy the story which I hear is good but I don't have the patience for an mmorpg that is neither an mmo nor an rpg, and if you value your time perhaps you'll come to feel the same
As someone who likes visual novels, I don't enjoy the story either. Too much useless running around, fetch quests, dungeons and other typical MMO content. The pacing is shit and it doesn't get better in Heavensward as XIV fans would lead you to believe
that's actually pretty funny, sorry if my comment seemed derogatory toward people who enjoy VNs, they're not my thing but nothing against you. It sucks that the game is so terrible it's not an mmo or an rpg OR a visual novel, then.
>i dont like the story either
>proceed to talk about the gameplay
You must play tons of VN But you have no idea how to write properly
>it doesn't get "fun" and it doesn't EVER open up in terms of gameplay directio
>you might enjoy the story which I hear is good
why are you talking about a game you haven't fully played as if you have?
The story has its moments if you pay attention, I am up to heavensward it is as you say though mostly trudging through quests but its not so bad if you teleport and fly around quickly from A to B.
The suffering part is waiting for dungeons that are part of the MSQ as a DPS.
You won't have that problem in Shadowbringers + Endwalker
>Are the maps this shit in higher lvl areas too?
They're giant and open and take forever to traverse
>What do people even do other than standing around emoting at each other?
go into their housing estates and emote to eachother
around level 30-50. Honestly the story isn't THAT bad in ARR, just pay attention and try to understand what's going on.
Main story is built is such a way where by just doing it you will have all the gear and xp needed to level one class the entire time all other optional content is best played as a different class to maximize XP gains.
As for it getting good...
ARR(1-50) picks up around Lv40 but is still pretty meh the patch content can be really neat or an absolute slog depending on how much you like fantasy politics.
HW(50-60) The quality of the presentation and story spikes immensely here and it is beloved the whole way through including the patch content.
SB(60-70) This is where the game improves mechanically and sticks around this point with some minor upgrades in later expacs and has fantastic patch content but the leveling experience is terrible outside of like one zone.
SHB(70-80) Pure Kino the whole way through good enough to stand as its own game but still building off of everything that came before.
EW(80-90) Still ongoing right now but its mostly agreed that it serves as an awkward but ultimately satisfying conclusion to the story arc being worked on since AAR.
Also every expansion is around the same length as the 1-50 content and you should not skip the 1-50 content as it gives the foundation and context for the rest of the game.
>SB is where the game improves mechanically
What mechanics do you mean? I played the MSQ just past the Ruby Sea(?) and I don't get what you mean at all.
They mean the bosses turn into moronic touhou fights instead of trying to resemble an rpg.
Yeah bro all of those pre-SB fights that are basically the exact same shit with even fewer actual mechanics, that was peak RPG gameplay right there.
>Yeah bro all of those pre-SB fights that are basically the exact same shit with even fewer actual mechanics, that was peak RPG gameplay right there.
That's not what anyone said. Also pretending the fights today aren't all the exact same shit is hilarious.
No need to be inflammatory archive incoming anyway, so meh, but I figured the same. I'm hoping anon doesn't mean class mechanics because that's a big fricking lie.
I honestly don't care for bosses in MMOs. I like dungeons, but the fights are usually boring as hell.
This a hundred times
I'm a huge ff fan but never played any mmo in my life. Going through ARR was a slog and probably one of the worst experiences of my life. But HW was absolutely amazing and feels like a true ff game more than anything that came after IX. I'm currently playing ShB and i'm hooked. Yes it's aunironically a game that '' gets good 100 hours in'', but i have 0 regreti vesting those first 100hours of pain.
I had less problems with ARR than I had with SB.
ARR wasn't amazing but it was decent imo, while I found the SB MSQ so fricking boring/terrible that I stopped playing for a year after killing Zenos.
Thankfully it picks up again in 4.1 and then stays amazing until the end of EW.
End game is mostly emoting, running dungeons, doing raids, crafting, housing, grinding alt jobs and or dress up. The story is half the draw, the spectacle fights are the other. You can basically just do what you want though, there is a lot of side content you can do at any given time. If you don't like the story, you can still find fun things to do, but I would recommend giving the story a chance. It's a slow burn but it is fun to enjoy with others.
>End game is mostly emoting, running dungeons, doing raids, crafting, housing, grinding alt jobs and or dress up
this is every mmo's endgame but for some reason people say that XIV's is worse. Believe me, I played WoW from OG Vanilla to Cata, XIV's endgame is no different. I'm not sure why people seem to think it is. Raids are definitely worse, but that's about it. The community is way more social than most other mmos these days.
Because we're supposed to hate FFXIV as per Ganker culture, and if we hate XIV more than WoW then that makes WoW look good.
I feel like people are a bit harsh on ARR. It's actually pretty comfy and the zones are comfy. ARR music is great too. the Post ARR patch content is a massive slog though, easily the worst part of the game by far.
People are harsh on it because it's slow and was built around mechanics that are no longer relevant, like TP.
The 6.1 update with the early game reworked is a step in the right direction since Toto-Rak isn't a shitshow anymore, Cape Westwind and the post-UW fight are actually challenging now, and Praetorium isn't the biggest waste of time.
Pro tip: people emoting at each other are also talking to each other in private
Or "talking"
Don't listen to the haters OP. Just do the MSQ, you won't regret it.
Agreed.
In about two weeks when you and the bros are laughing your ass off through the back end of the base game plot
>"time to unleash the ultimate weapon, ultima weapon"
>villains you've never seen before turning up and monologuing for 20 minutes before you batter them
>wait why are we fighting this guy he's literally trying to save the world
Based cutscene skipper
That would have actually improved it, but I watched it all (and did all the side quests because quest icons tickle my autism)
The ARR plot is an absolute shitshow
>villains you've never seen before turning up and monologuing for 20 minutes before you batter them
Doesn’t happen
>wait why are we fighting this guy he's literally trying to save the world
So are the Ascians. That doesn’t mean that their ideas are any good
The only fun to be had in this game is triple triad tournaments, and you probably don't get those on free trial
Here's the answer: never, it won't get good even after level 40. It's the same boring shitty fetch quests
the only sidequests worth doing are the ones with the blue icon. They give you something unique, like a new dungeon, or the ability to summon your chocobo to fight with you, or the abiity to dye your clothes, etc.
That and MSQ is all you should focus on for your first 2 jobs.
ARR is boring, it's the least good story, but it gets better at the end.
yeah, once you get past ARR you've successfully gotten past the filter
Players can blow past all of ARR including the post arr insanely fast now with flying. The real filters the beginning of stormbloods long ass shit story after HW was so good. The full reset killed all my friends who tried to play.
HW is not that good when you compare it with ShB and EW. Its just religion is le bad shit. But yeah SB is terrible
>Its just religion is le bad shit
Except it isn't, and why do Gankerirgins love to pretend they give a flying frick about religion anyway?
I just hate using the same setting everytime. And yes it is. Thats the background of the whole thing using the gay ass corrupted church
And why does it make you so furious when a fake religion in a video game is used as a backdrop for something? Corrupt churches have also been a thing in real life since man created religion.
You're missing the point. No wonder why you like that expansion.
What's your point? "Waaaah they use religion as part of the story and that makes me reeeeeeee!"?
EW isn't that good either, except the music. good fricking god the music is excellent
Game starts being fun when you start getting gil,mounts or glam because you ERP so good you've got a fanbase and simps willing to even carry you in savage raids for a private 10min erp session, lmao. I'd make an onlyfans account and get real money from these losers but I'll be violating ToS and risk my account
FFXIV is genuinely bad up until Heavensward and I only got through ARR with a ton of vodka
ARR starts getting more interesting around level 40 (when you get to Coerthas) but it then falls off an absolute cliff again in the post patches
Did OP really came to /v to ask about a game?
Dude pls. You only come to /v to shit on a game.
thats the only thing /v is good at.
95% of /v has no fricking clue about anything.
XIV general is useless for anything but posting screenshots and moronic comments.
I'm not a homosexual to ask about XIV in wowg like some do.
I got my questions answered, so... Thanks to those who helped and you be off to shazampost in a cyberpunk thread or whatever is it you like to do.
It’s good at the start of a patch but not where we’re at now. People are mostly in casual relaxation mode until 6.2.
I've got a question here and the XIV general goes way too fast. Is Omnicrafting just a massive pyramid scheme? Like, people tell me "Oh man if you wanna make HUGE amounts of money, become an omnicrafter its totally worth the effort!", but I'm confused as how people actually make money being an omnicrafter. When you ask people for specific tips on how to do it, they usually just answer "Well uh...um...yeah you just gotta find a specific item you like to make and sell haha!". I feel like omnicrafting is just a massive scheme to let a select few make money off of lower level players who buy into the idea of making money though levelling crafting/gathering.
It is a massive ponzi scheme at all times except for patch releases where new crafted gear comes out.
6.2 is going to be one of those times as a new raid tier is released which means new crafted gear that people will want to buy.
However the big caveat to this is that they are now moving the savage tier to be released a week after. This means that the big demand rush that you typically see to get the new materials and gear you need to progress wont be as explosive and so you will probably not make as much money.
So how do people actually make good money in this game? without ERP/carries/other illicit activities
If you're doing battle content you convert tokens into the crafting materials that crafters need and you can make a lot during a release of a new raid tier.
If you're a crafter/gatherer the weekly custom deliveries give you easy tokens you can convert into things to sell.
You can grind treasure maps with a group for rarer crafting materials that are usually used for glamour items.
There are various sub systems in place like the Doman reconstruction system that lets you get chump change gil by giving you a bonus when you sell your trash items/coins
I've heard Eureka is a great farming spot for gil to the extent that bots are around to take advantage of it but I haven't done it myself.
You can always play the market and buy low/sell high as long as you have patience because there's a lot of players that don't care at all and just want to unload their items asap. You can also play the arbitrage game and travel to different worlds to see where the lowest prices are for items, buy them and then sell on your world for a profit.
Or you can participate in the ponzi and sell items that other crafters need to level.
Also at the time Bozja was an okay money maker when it was current content because there were items that you could farm that players needed to use their custom abilities/buffs as they weren't permanent so there was an economy around there as well.
If there's a similar system coming in this expansion then you can take advantage of that if it's done similarly.
Hm alright I’ll look into some of these ty
If you don't want your holes filled (or be the hole filler, it happens) then you can do your daily roulettes.
There's also Doman Restoration where you can get a possible 20k gil weekly for selling your old junk. The more gil you dump (and the more you progress the questline) you get to increase your take by 5k up to a maximum of 40k gil per week.
You can also do Eureka/Bozja and sell the stuff that drops. This includes mounts and minions that you've already got.
Pretty much it get better once you get to max but its mostly fricked.
I personally when working on leveling my crafting just gather all my resources and make only what I need and dump the excess on the marketboard at like 50% reduced price.
It goes in order of passive -> active:
Retainers: Choice of getting ~4000 gold a day per in gold pieces, or hourly roll the dice on basically any item in the game; lvl 60 dungeon israeliteelry on low end, lvl 90 dungeon gear at high end (worth more than a gold piece at least) to "where the frick did you find this" minions and maybe even mounts if you're lucky
Gatherers: Costs nothing but time, and you can dump shit right on the market. Maxing gatherer and investing in some BiS gear (not that much since progression is more linear than DoW/M) gets you timed nodes that are only open once every 30min+. I crafted BiS for all crafters the other day and needed hundreds of ONE of those materials that I could only squeeze about 15-20 each attempt.
Pro-tip: Easiest time -> cash investment for gatherer is to do your weeklies to get purple scrips and buy Immutable Solution and sell it, because it can only be obtained through gathering grind or bought on the market, and is REQUIRED for every endgame craft. Basically fuel. Aethersand (gathered not bought) isn't too bad either though easier for a crafter to get himself, more annoying than anything.
Fishing: Some people like fish iunno, rather esoteric compared to the rest so you probably need some strategy to make money, but it's more than a few bush clippings for sure.
Treasure hunts: Get that gambling addiction sorted. You'll get gil fairly quick just popping chests and going into the treasure dungeons (surprisingly fun too), but the secret prize is the crafting materials that drop. Shadowbringers for example have exclusive Calf Leather materials drop from it which are required for crafters to make a leather biker set. You can sell them directly to crafters for like 500k a piece, but if you craft them you can squeeze an extra 100k profit from them to boot. You need gatherer to get these treasure maps without paying for them, so it's another bolt-on to the above.
Crafting: is mostly private trade so meh.
Nice writeup
I don't even bother gathering/crafting to make money anymore but the gil accumulates anyway since im not spending on anything due to being self sufficient. It also feels kinda nice to be able to repair, meld and make your own shit.
I make gil with submarines. Frick competing with marketboard bots.
moneymaking is largely
>crafting new gear ON PATCH DAY (you have to be quick before it all gets mega pozzed with bots)
>crafting furniture
>crafting submarine materials
>crafting ARR leves/GC turn-ins
Forget everything else since you're competing with bots, especially glams or crafted weapons and they will make the whole selling process as unfun as possible.
>It is a massive ponzi scheme at all times except for patch releases where new crafted gear comes out.
It’s not a “ponzi scheme” at all, you can level from 1-80 completely for free with Beast Tribes (and make money doing so). Soon you’ll be able to go 1-90, but you can do 80-90 via the class quests or Custom Delivery also completely for free. You can do GC turn ins if you want, and especially if they’re starred, it’s not usually very expensive and you get a lot of experience- but ultimately all money does is let you level faster.
From then on you save money by being able to repair for free, you make money by desynthesising, and you can make an absolute tonne of money by selling housing goods anytime there’s a new housing boom. I made about 3mill just off one housing boom alone. Bardings are also a pretty nifty money maker, but that might depend on your server.
>Currently leveling my crafters from 70-80
I never thought I'd say this, but I miss job quests, if only for the big dick XP they give.
>He didn’t use Road to 80 to get 1-3 Job levels each day via Beast Quests
Lol, lmao
I'm still on Road to 80, but three Dwarf quest turn-ins only give enough for about 1 level.
>Road to 80
Please don't tell me you make new characters for preferred worlds
If you're a new player, why wouldn't you?
I guess I just can't imagine any new players having fun with beast quests when the Road to XX buff lets you do anything else that's more fun while still leveling ridiculously fast.
Beast quests in Stormblood and later are fine since they take about 5 minutes to do a set of three turn-ins. I like the mounts, too.
Never. It will never get fun. Any fun the game once had was systematically gutted over the years by the devs to appease a community that doesn't want to play MMOs. This is a community that needed to have basic aggro management completely gutted and couldn't handle a button that was simply 'Do more damage but you take more damage'.
Played it up until Shadowbringers (*.0, no post-release content.) It doesn't get better. Maybe Endwalker saves it. I'm not gonna bother checking that out though.
Why do you think anyone believes you JUST started playing FF14 when this thread gets made 5 times a day, every day, for the past 4 years?
anon this game is like THE definitive mmo right now and has been for like a year. And the early game is ass, it makes sense people ask about it on here.
Sprout here!
Which North American data center is best for raiding and always do job hunt? I really don't want to join a server with full ERP players.
the only players left are ERP prostitutes so just pick whatever
Just stay away from Crystal and you will be fine.
You're probably not going to raid so pick any of them. You have to actually go looking for ERP to find it.
Aether - english
Primal - spanish
Crystal - roleplay and night clubs
Aether is the tryhard raiding datacenter
Aether. Just aviso faeri
Never
>leveling multiple crafters as a newcomer
>wtf, this is boring
It's absolutely not worth playing at all. I quit towards the end of Shadowbringers, what was supposed to be the best expansion. It has good music. Some of the environments can be comfy and have atmosphere. There are maybe like two or three fun story moments. There are tons of awful story moments. Tons of filler and going back and forth.
Depends on what you like. HW has great story and a great raid series. Storm blood has a less great story but an excellent raid series and is when most jobs get fleshed out better.
Shadowbringers has an excellent story and an amazing raid series and is when you unlock your rotation finisher
EW has a great story and an ok raid series and is when you truly cap your character
It has a cringe story about beastiality, why do people hype up the cringe that is Heavensward?
Why does this game upset this board so much?
WoWtrannies
You got it backwards.
It's the other way around.
Anytime you see criticism of XIV the drones and trannies seethe and moan and so they immediately say "Didn't ask". or other shit because it triggered them and they have no argument for the fact that their game doesn't respect their time or effort.
try going a single day without thinking about trannies
Case and point.
They refuse to accept that XIV has a community of mentally ill men who pretend to be women.
Every single static leader I've known has been a troon who plays female Viera and gets triggered about literally the smallest shit.
It's exhausting as frick.
There is a lot of them but I barely interact with people I don’t know personally so eh
You're not wrong to keep to your friends.
This game has some truly mentally ill people playing it.
MMOs in general attract them because they provide an escape from reality.
A place to REPLACE social interaction for a safe space where they can pick and choose their yes-men.
It's very unhealthy.
I don't hate them, they have it bad enough that they can't seem to escape such a pathetic lifestyle.
It's case in point, you illiterate troony obsessed moron.
I'm not the one seething over here.
you think about mentally ill trannies 24/7, that's not healthy
The only time I mention it is when it comes up in a thread.
Want me to ignore such a horrible part of the this game's community? Kinda hard to when every time you try to make a friend through the game you risk talking to someone who is narcissistic and hyper aggressive.
Kind of like how you're being right now.
I'm not trying to insult anyone.
I'm merely pointing it out.
I've known a lot of people over the course of playing this game. I don't say this without taking experience into account.
i don't care about any of this shit, i just don't want to constantly be reminded trannies exist
says the one in the hourly XIV seethe still crying about the community
w post
Every game has trannies playing it.
If that's your only complaint, it must be a good game.
>my personal anecdotes are truths and facts that encompass all of reality!
My static leader has a wife.
>Every single static leader I've known has been a troon who plays female Viera and gets triggered about literally the smallest shit.
This never happened to you, also
>I allegedly encountered some trannies
>That means this game is filled with trannies!
Literally the mindset of a child. Every game has trannies. Ignore them and move on
The game was all but written off as another MMO that got mauled by WoW but then it slowly clawed it's way up as while it's competitor just can't seem to stop stabbing itself repeatedly, and last time I checked still won't stop.
this
first it was mocked, rightly so
then it got its shit together while WoW kept bleeding subs and blizzard hired inept employees
has it been consistently good? extremely debatable. have squeenix and the dev team retained a semi positive rapport with the player base? absolutely
>have squeenix and the dev team retained a semi positive rapport with the player base? absolutely
a playerbase that is even more ravenously devoted to sucking off a corporation than the most staunch blizzdrones or consolegays
a large percent of them actually think the game director is their friend
It's a good game and the devs aren't hostile to players, so yeah I'll defend Yoshi P's team.
Sure, bro.
>play the game for years
>devs slowly delete everything fun about the game to appease literal morons
>said literal morons can't stop spamming the catalogue.
Just do MSQ quests, or blue quests that unlock stuff like extra dungeons.
Story doesn't get good till end of ARR or end of ARR patches. It's a slow burn, but later expansion stories are great
Your combat and gameplay gets good at 50, and usually only gets better.
There's lots of side stuff to do
Blue mage stuff, masked carnivale, treasure maps, community events, crafting, other jobs, sightseeing log, unlocking mounts, Gold Saucer, etc.
You'll be in a rough spot till you beat Titan as the story is glacial till then.
>cant even tell the name of anything
Skipgays please return to wow
the whole point of playing it is it that its 200 hour long jrpg, if you dont like it dont bother with it
>world transfers resume Wednesday
I can finally get to one of the new servers this week.
Isn't NA getting a 4th data center?
When's that happening?
August, so probably coinciding with 6.2 release. One new DC with 4 worlds. Then 4 more worlds on that DC Spring/Summer 2023.
How about they rent a fricking datacenter on the East Coast and I can finally stop using Alexander
I have like 40ms latency and still use alex because the netcode is designed to add "offset" latency no matter what so it's still useful having xivalex running until they get rid of that awful system
I said frick it and just started an alt
Make sure you pick Phantom for maximum edge points
i am so thankful that the filter claims another
>Filter
I love how XIVtroons call it a filter when it's literally just the shittiest part of the game and they develop Stockholm syndrome at the end so they think the rest is the pinnacle of writing.
It's just your generic shitty ass shonen trope-fest.
Literally power of friendship type bullshit at the end of Endwalker.
Not enough important characters die off.
There's no risk.
It has no weight to it.
you got filtered but that's not a bad thing
I got filtered from onlyfans and NFTs and I believe I'm blessed and more intelligent than other people
>Literally finish the game
>You got filtered
Mental illness can be pretty funny.
Power of friendship gets subverted all the fricking time. Friendship doesn't defeat Emet-Selch, Lightwarden absorbed energy does. Most of what does in Endsinger isn't power of hope but combatsexual autism.
Hydaelyn/Venat is dead, Zenos is dead,, Emet and Hytholdaeus are dead. Scions still have potential and killing them off just because of stakes would be idiotic, killing off Papalymo and Moenbryda just for "weight" was a mistake to begin with and I'm glad they didn't repeat it.
The only reason they brought back emet squelch was because w*men were infatuated with his shitty writing. This entire game is a slog of fanservice. Graha was also Yaoi bait.
The Japanese have this pathetic moral compass so they try to make Hydaelyn come off as a savior when she's really just a fricking mass murderer, but she's hot so it's ok.
FF games aren't known for having good stories, so I'm not surprised I'm just saying it's generic as frick and predictable.
They'll sooner give fans what they want than take a fricking risk. This is how it's always been.
>The only reason they brought back emet squelch was because w*men were infatuated with his shitty writing.
This is untrue. Mild research would have proven this for you.
>FF games aren't known for having good stories
Are you underaged or somehow only played FF14? This is the opposite.
Do you think all the games are about crystals? and warriors of light?
What makes fanservice inherently bad?
What makes "taking a risk" inherently better?
It's literally genre fiction, it thrives on tropes. What matters is execution, in which it excels.
Also Hydaelyn herselfs admits that what she did was monstrous. But it was necessary, everything we see in Ultima Thule and Dead Ends proves it. Left to their indolent yearning for "the good old days" the Ancients would've just ended up like the Ra-La worshippers.
Hold the phone this is a fricking barry thread isnt it.
He didn't reply so I guess, yes. And he's blatantly wrong.
>The Japanese have this pathetic moral compass so they try to make Hydaelyn come off as a savior when she's really just a fricking mass murderer,
In the omega quest they literally said how hydaelyn plan make her a genocide b***h. So no, you're wrong.
>Hydaelyn did le bad thing
What was the alternative to that bad thing again?
Oh… right…
>friendship
It was legit the 2.0 cutscene again, mixed with a reference to FF4. If you want to overly simplify it, sure, but at least understand it ENOUGH to be correct about your criticism.
NOOOOOO NOT ENOUGH CHARACTERS DIED LIKE MY HECKIN' GAMES OF THRONES!!!!
pretty sure this game is like game of thrones because sastasha makes reference to rape
Shame most people plow though Sastasha and never see "The Hole".
ok then ACN quests which also references rape
this game's story is actually a grimdark psychological horror lovecraftian story like the story i nthe souls games or game of thrones
None of what you wrote are either objective flaws to writing, nor applies to ff14's story.
>he instantly jumps to his boogeyman
Very sad, very sad indeed
??
Shut up Barry
Side quests are just optional worldbuilding fluff and honestly not even that useful for grinding out alt job levels. You should only bother with MSQ and pick up blue icon quests to unlock content.
I think some beast tribes, in HW, are locked behind sidequests.
Sidequests should only be done if you REALLY need exp and want, as you say, extra info. Some are actually good but its a minority.
>Went to /xivg/
>Post your races, your music, your inspired WOL,..etc.
>Muh EB this and that.
>Post a picture face of character and didn't type anything.
To be honest /wowg/ is much better than /xivg/ and they are also talking about FFXIV contents.
>going to an MMO general at all
there's your first mistake, both wowg and xivg have more trannies in their containment threads than probably the entirety of Ganker. Their opinions are shit, they're shit at said games, and literally only get any sort of social interaction from their shitposting for (You)s
There's only one game asiatic Moot likes, especially since he's personal friends with Yoshi P.
please use my recruit a friend code i am in dire need of chocobo feathers NT4MNZTR
What's in it for me?
plenty of things, frienship circlet which increases your xp by 20% below 25 level, 99 aetheryte tickets, an emote and some other stuff, i think silver feathers
>99 aetherite tickets
I will literally resub and claim your code just for this. Are there any prerequisites?
no you just slap a code in your mog station panel account page thing
Okay, now use mine too please.
5NQMFEDM
ngmi
did Venat have literally 0 faith in her own people at all?
she basically decided to be the arbiter of their fates just because she thought she knew better
There's legit a cutscene about this. Did you skip it?
yes? the cutscene where she puts a tracker on the bird then fails to mention it for 13,000 even to midgardsormr and all his slaughtered and tortured by the allagan empire kin, who were capable of interstellar travel
No, after that. She tells her people to live with pain and suffering, that's its best to accept it, than to just wither away in apathy and perfection. They refuse to listen and try to go back to their old ways and she stops them.
yes and if I saw how consumerist and decadent the west capitalist societies are I would still not have the moral right to burn it all into the ground and force them into a great reset in which they get to only eat bugs and own nothing
The world would have ended, anon.
says who
The third dead world, as confirmed by the writers.
>she thought she knew better
She did.
If the biggest draw is the story, can't I just watch the cutscenes on youtube and get the same experience without paying a sub?
Why? You can play 40% of the story for free.
I already pretty much have. I just finished the main content of Heavensward and am making my way through the post-patch stuff now.
So far, I absolutely hated ARR+Seven Era. Heavensward started OK, got really good, then the last quarter was pretty ass went from cool dragons, lore, discovering mysteries of a war to spending hours getting something for your ship so you can go to an ugly green map to fight a pope with a generic become god motivation.
I really wanted to find out if it "gets good", but since so far everything has been just "meh" when averaged out - I'm at a debate whether to continue to push on and see if Stormblood is actually any better.
Thordan is a hype fight though.
But HW/SB/ShB stories only really "end" in their X.3 patches. Then X.4 and X.5 are prologues to the next expac.
Try to push on with Heavesward's story. Not because of Stormblood, but because HW's main story didn't end with the pope.
Stormblood isn't better
SB sucks, it's my least favorite expac, just because nothing feels "won", but rather given to you by the plot. Also, the blonde b***h is a moronic character, and still continues to be dumb af today.
Doing the raids yourself is great. And also, seeing your character that YOU yourself begin to love, is great.
You miss the other half of the game which is dressing up your action figure.
Are the alcohol syndrome fetuses universally only played by pedophiles?
I am yet to see one dressed not in skimpy clothes.
Yes
It's either pedos in bawdmogs, poopsock memelords like the one dressing up like Pablo Escobar and dealing drugs, or the housewives who dress them up in cute and frilly outfits.
>or the housewives who dress them up in cute and frilly outfits
This but my lala is actually a boy and I am forced to dress like that by my abusive master ;_; ;_; ;_;
I'd say it's the same as the difference between books and audiobooks. Are you reading (playing) the thing, or is someone else reading (playing) it for you. Different preferences for different folks, but you can try out which one works better for you for free.
There's also the pacing stuff. If you're going cutscene to cutscene, you're not getting the boring parts inbetween, which are sometimes designed to pace the storytelling. Usually when you've done a couple of dreadfully boring quests you'll be able to tell this was supposed to be the quiet moment and next up is something important. Building up anticipation that way is extremely my thing. And there's some environmental cues, like that one time you enter Waking Sands and the background music doesn't change and Tataru isn't there to greet you. It's not part of any cutscene so easily gets left out of any let's play or such, yet it's a striking difference for anyone actually playing.
tl;dr lots of words to say I really like the game. try it out in some way - free trial, youtube, don't care you have options.
>When does this get fun?
when you unlock blue mage, but only until you run out of content to do as blue mage
I was hooked right from the start. Sure, it starts slow but I am also a 1.0 player.
>Follow/do the MSQ (the quests with the "Golden fire" around them)
>Only stop doing MSQ quests to do quests that look blue on the minimap/world map
>Ignore everything else in the game unless you absolutely want to do them
There, that is how you play FFXIV in current day. As for what people do in the game, they do the things you unlock by doing the blue quests, they raid (something you have not unlocked yet) and they do the daily roulettes that you have not unlocked yet either (once you've managed to get far enough into the story, you'll see them appear in the "U" menu)
Other than that, if you are not enjoying the story at all by the time you reach the start of Heavensward or if you don't start enjoying the social aspects/general gameplay, then just stop playing since the game is more of the same but just in slightly higher quality as time goes on.
Like pretty much every other Final Fantasy game, the entire thing is designed around its story so if you don't like the story, you most likely won't like the game
Adding to this that the story takes a while to get going, but wouldn't have half the impact it does later without the slow early parts. They took a calculated risk there that will lose them players, but turn others into diehard fans.
That being said there is a scene for people who literally just raid and do nothing else, if you're into that. so if you're super interested in raiding buy a skip , if the story hasnt grabbed you in any capacity by the end of ARR, especially after doing coils, quit.
>When does this get fun?
It doesn't. Uninstall it right now.
https://files.catbox.moe/nttfsp.png
Been awhile since I've played this game and took screenshots
>heterochromia
Like clockwork
I copied a real cat's eyes
nice flattie cattie
Thanks. It's fun taking screenshots again after a long break
What's pomf? I don't see anything when searching for it
https://pomf.cat/
Nice cat
Use pomf or one of the clones. Catbox file serving is super slow
Never. Currently you're enjoying the most varied content this game has to offer, when dungeons weren't just 3 corridors with 1 get-away-from-orange-circle-attack boss each like they're now, and even then it was terribly boring. I'd recommend to stop wasting your time with this kusoge asap.
stop asking Ganker to tell you what to play
if you dont like it dont play it, simple as
Is current tier savage the only place gear matters? Feels like everywhere else you get scaled down even the new raids.
yes everything else aggressively syncs down your geatr
Pretty much. It feels like savage and end game gearing is just its own minigame and it doesn't really matter outside of it.
I hear raiders complain about taking 8 weeks to get BiS and it just sounds like savage is the only place thats true.
I am happy with my tomestones gear/24 main raid stuff.
Even in savage you don't really need current BiS unless you're a parsegay. You only really need it for ultimate.
BiS is only relevant if you're a day one gamer and want to feel good about carrying scrubs for the next 2 months, or like
said, parsegayging and the current ultimate. When everyone starts to get decent ilvl from tomes and free upgrades in later patches, it's not that big of a deal anymore when it comes to savage
Seeing other mmorpgs theres not too much content tbqh and i dont mean difficult ones i just mean content at all where to use your gear
>Is current tier savage the only place gear matters? Feels like everywhere else you get scaled down even the new raids.
Yes, gear is almost completely pointless in this game. As far as I can tell they just have it as a way to make you feel a mild dopamine hit on a regular basis.
Most of the RPG elements in this game are there for literally no reason, like the persistent shared world.
Gears only job in XIV is for min-maxer salt mining and as a difficulty modifier for shitters who can't stop standing in orange
It has been this way for almost the entire games existence and honestly, the game is better off this way, even if it makes gearing feel pointless and boring if you are even slightly above average skill level but your also not autistic
Greatest love story ever told in FFXIV
That b***h is crazy, and not the good kind either
That just makes the seegs better
>male roe gets cute au'ra
Nah.
he deserves it
I refuse. I'll take her off his hands.
>Doesn't hit her back
Shit questline
Whoever they forced to write the marauder/warrior quests didn't give a shit and didn't even bother to hide it.
That could describe quite a few of the job quests really
Femhrorh...
Soon...
We will be victorious.....
.......
>soon
See you in Q1 2024.
Considering that concepts weren't finalized until about 6.1 and we're getting a visual uplift with 7.0, I guarantee they won't be coming out until the next expansion.
They straight up already said this anon, this is not news. We are not going to get Femhroth until 7.0 at the earliest
I'm aware this is not news, but I'm not the one that said "soon".
Guhh
>it gets good 200 hours in
I played it well into Heavensward and it still didn't win me over. I didn't hate it, it was just dull.
Stormblood has the best content
My gf has been enjoying the story all the way.
She does read books too so she's probably just smarter than you.
>Best Relics
A Realm Reborn
>Best Story
Shadowbringers
>Best Raids
Stormblood
>Best Alliance Raids
Heavensward
>Best Trials
Stormblood
Also best soundtrack goes to Heavensward except when that b***h sings
You have shit taste.
I bet you cried like a limpwristed homosexual with the story
Projection
>Best Trials
>Stormblood
No.
Tell me which expac you consider to have hte best trials. Genuinely curious.
Heavensward.
Not him, but I think shadowbringers has the best trials.
Although Endwalker already has the foundation to be better if we get kino voidtrials
>ff6 trials
You are wrong.
the actual encounters themselves? I prefer 4 lords.
The story around them, yeah its sorrows and its not even close.
Correct opinion
>Best trials
Shadowbringers
The Weapons > Everything else
Soken is a hack. Most of the songs with lyrics are dogshit.
This, all songs with lyrics only use those lyrics as a crutch to make people give a homosexual's AIDS-ridden dick about them. True music doesn't need trannies warbling and honking through it to be good. Everyone who listens to music with lyrics needs to be gassed and thrown in the ovens.
If you're going to pretend to be Beerus poster at least use a DBZ image
I'd rather listen to Massacration than whatever Soken shits.
we get it, you have a contrarian opinion on the music of ff14.
bunny boys were the second-best addition to the game, right behind bunny girls
You're based for making fun of lyric posters
jesus fricking christ the lyric autist is back
don't you have literally anything better to do
>Anon is mindbroken over a videogame
Many such cases
Schizos get mindbroken over literally anything.
it yoyo's from being mildly funny to incredibly sad for me when you think about the sheer time investment
I want a malera boyfriend.
>Played it for past 4 days
24 marauder
for me the story hooked me at around level 30, once you get out of your starter zone thats when the story kind of starts. id say, if you're not somewhat interested by then, then i dont think you will enjoy the game, since its pretty much full on 800 hours of Final Fantasy story telling. Which is to say go to point A then point B. and it gets moreso in HW onwards where the focus clearly shifts to the story and combat taking a back seat. In fact eventually, the devs want to make the whole of MSQ to be soloable with the use of NPC team in dungeons.
it for past 4 days >level 24 marauder
> and it gets moreso in HW onwards where the focus clearly shifts to the story and combat taking a back seat.
Well thats rediculous to imply when you've only got to lvl 24 isn't it? the pve content makes a drastic improvement in stormblood.
what? im not implying it, its a fact. from HW onwards its clear that the story is the focus, im not just talking about dungeons and trial msq, also talking about kill X monsters. there were clearly less of that after ARR
Oh, right you meant the open-world stuff, sure. But to say the game isnt combat focused is absurd with the amount of pve content available and done regularly.
>But to say the game isnt combat focused is absurd with the amount of pve content available and done regularly
im talking about MSQ not pve in general??
Right, fair enough i guess? being lvl 24 you have not much of a frame of reference and i forgot that back then you're still kinda in the tutorial where they actually do send you out to kill stuff. that stops pretty quickly tbh so your "from hw onwards this trails off" because really it trails off like...around lvl 35
>really it trails off like...around lvl 35
thats true actually
Oh great, another gay to filter.
I think the cutest girls aren't even the lalafells or the rabbits. It's the lizards
Something thats not really mentioned: you can just kind of skim read through ARR as most of it is filler. Pay attention to scenes with recurring characters (cat b***h, thancred, shakespear, tataru, yda, papa limo, etc).
Can someone explain this anon? He's posting the exact same lyrics over and over again with random images and randomly replying to people.
Flooding. Report it.
mentally ill wowg false flagger
Its a moron who is too stupid to make a bot so he just sits refreshing Ganker until he spots a ff14 thread that he can spam manually.
He's most likely some mindbroken moron from some other MMO.
The imitation shuttered window you put up for sale in the Crystarium markets has sold for 1,261 gil (after fees).
I'm gonna make it...
Will they ever add something to use the gear on thats not ultimate?
There being a male/female only races make games so unbelievable. Like ok we can Explore the whole world like the ammount of zones we can visit is massive and we dont see a single model of the other genre? That just bs. It was the same with mithra and galka ok ffxi
that's literally a male in the pic
you can play male viera lol
It wasnt like that before and it was going to stay like that if people didnt cry about it so much
>Who care cutscene skipper ESL can't read.
I don't care if you are an ESL who can't read. Don't quote me.
>guy is spamming lyrics to The Boondocks intro
What the frick is happening?
Stupid newbie
Lalafell thighs
>so insane that he replies to the picture of bunnies that has nothing to do with his ranting
>forgot to paste the lyrics
Oh no schizoposter!
If you don't like it after 4 days you're never going to like it. Go back to WoW.
>Pablo having another meltie
Its been a while
It doesn't get better its one of the most boring MMOs I've ever played in my life holy shit
>Nero gets to tap that every night
damn
Lucky bastard, isn't he. There's some fine daddies in XIV I'd give myself to.
Damn, the quality of husbandos really went downhill after ARR, huh. It's all bishie and '' I can fix him '' shit now.
Zenos is prime bara bait.
He is straight up a yandere bishie nabbed straight from an otome game. I mean, at least he is tall, cool and most likely incredibly fit but... he could at least have some facial hair or something.
>bara autists need husbandos to be unkempt and square-faced to be considered attractive
I just need my husbando to be a big beefcake hunk.
>That, I can't deny.
I prefer Uematsu.
>[Deleted]
For once, mods are gods
>Leveling multiple classes when you first start
>Crafters
These are not smart decisions you're making
>Low level quests everywhere
Did you miss the very obvious markers that tell you the difference between main quest, side quest with unlockables, and plain quests? Even if you're a brainlet who can't figure it out, it's a google search away
So just out of interest, what was all that about? has there been some news about XV or a nomura game or XVI thats got him off his rocker again?
Most recent thing I'm aware of is Forspoken getting delayed again
There was an interview about FFVII Rebirth that has people excited
Just pure unadulterated autism it seems like. I don’t think there has been any news recently.
Trust me when I say, autism isn't enough. there is genuine mental illness mixed in here.
Oh yeah, I don’t disagree. Being this obsessed over a game is most definitely a case of mental illness.
It's just autism in action, there is no satisfying answer
Is this the famous barry posting?
not even close anon, please don't summon him to this thread
Gomen, I'll keep it quiet
Lyricspam is definitely a barryism
Just why
I want to frick krile so bad
Why is her face covered in toothpaste?
Sneezing fit while brushing her teeth
>It's true what they say. You do have the eyes of a monster. A ravenous, insatiable fiend.
She's the only lalafell that gives me a boner.
Theres just this lewd aura about her.
The thing is there's a much more lewd air around Tataru. She's the most sexually aggressive Scion.
I wish they would make her messy ponytail a available hairstyle.
I thought it was.
I think its an hairstyle from bozja
Why is she so hot and when can we get more of her
It's the voice. British Christmas Cake voice.
I want to be araaraed by jap krile https://youtu.be/61arRwPnPhc?t=155
>dub
Just too perfect. I'm almost glad her outfit isn't dyeable, otherwise there'd be too many bawds wearing it
Japanese voice with formal British English subtitles is an awful and awkward combination.
What is Tataru doing
Inspecting the merchandise
cute
When is the Moonfire event? Sometime in August?
Why do “people” on Ganker beg to be convinced to play a game?
HW >ShB > SB > EW > ARR
Bad taste
>4 days and only level 24
what the frick
Anon takes it easy
Surely he’s not just false flagging
He also said he can only play it for 30 mins before falling asleep.
>level 24
Stopped reading there, you're still at basic dungeons killing beetles and shit, the dungeon bgm hasn't even changed. Get good noob.
>Bro it's REALLY good... these Dragons are like TOTALLY ANGRY that they were killed... they're wreaking havoc for 10,000 years! They're lead by a Black person, NIG NOG! The most dangerous Dragon of them all!!!!
>The church and religion was FAKE and BAD actually!
>And ummm yeah they didn't want to wipe them out they just wanted to attack them for 10,000 years in an endless war of attrition.. yep... countless dragon deaths just cuz?
>And the only thing that could stop it? An interspecies beastiality romance... so sad.... so romantic... Two souls intertwined One true love they did find OMG I'm crying so sad.....
>The dragons are right....... the elezen really are evil for defending themselves against these autistic moronic dragons
Why do people praise Heavensward. This game is CRINGE!
Trying way too hard there, child.
https://files.catbox.moe/apk7h6.png
>see this
what do?
why do futa morons make the exact same kind of screenshot every fricking time
>futa morons
Just call them homosexuals, cause that's what they are
they're also morons with no taste too, hence my comment about the same kind of content EVERY TIME
i had to start blocking anyone posting futa shit on twitter because they have like 0 creativity
>When you solo the boss from 20% to 0% as tank
I wasn't even playing WAR.
>Finally getting around to doing the Four Lords questline
Holy shit, these trials are great. Swallow's Compass is a great-looking dungeon too.
SB msq is turbo shit but four lords and omega was pretty good
Squeenix should've just focused on not!Japan/not!China and left the Alamhiggers to rot.
Swallow's compass really made me wonder why the frick do they not put more work into the zone environments we spend most of our time in. Most of the normal questing areas are so fricking bland compared to dungeons.
I guess the dungeons are just a well crafted and contained facade, but i do agree the otherworld needs some serious love.
>dungeons
>well crafted
We were literally just talking about the background environments.
Environment wise they are. Nobody is going to argue that gameplay wise they're not really trying.
>Environment wise they are
No they aren't, they're literally just hallways with pretty movies playing for you out of bounds. The level design in this game is embarrassing.
Why are you conflating environment with structure?
Sorry, I didn't expect you to not know what environment means. Here's a definition to help clarify.
Why didn't you post the other definitions?
That definition doesn't contradict how I used it, so I'm not sure what point you thought you were making here.
Are you really going to try this hard to twist an argument out of literally nothing here?
it's a meandering whine that happens every thread
>they're literally just hallways
So if I were to show you a dungeon with an open sky, you would automatically concede, yes?
>So if I were to show you a dungeon with an open sky, you would automatically concede, yes?
There are no open skies, even if it looks that way. All dungeons are surrounded by walls. Sometimes the walls are invisible, but they still have collision.
So all MMOs are linear corridors with an illusion of openness.
why are you arguing with them? Nobody was talking about dungeon design, The aesthetic environmental backdrops of the game's dungeons are pretty. that was the entire conversation.
>The aesthetic environmental backdrops of the game's dungeons are pretty.
They're not "environmental" if you can't interact with them. They only exist outside of the play field.
Why are you making up rules for what constitutes "environment"?
B A C K D R O P S you absolute mongoloid.
>So all MMOs are linear corridors with an illusion of openness.
No, plenty of mmos have had good level design in the past. It's less of a thing these days because mmo players don't want to play video games, they just want to have already played a video game so that they can get their dopamine rewards.
Nope, I see a bunch of linear corridors there. Only one route leads to the end with all the rest being time sinks to artificially lengthen the dungeon.
>Nope, I see a bunch of linear corridors there.
Of course you don't.
>Only one route leads to the end with all the rest being time sinks to artificially lengthen the dungeon.
How is it artificial if every area of the dungeon offers something unique and useful?
xiv players don't understand the concept of dungeons being used for anything other than a dopamine drip reward at the end. they literally can't comprehend how dungeons can be multi-purpose content, like BRD in WoW.
what the frick are you talking about XIV players are often openly critical of the design of their dungeons, interactions with the npcs, boss difficulties, the linearity etc.
I think I saw some of those xiv players have an aneurism when they were trying to comprehend what the criterion dungeons are
How is that any different from other MMO dungeons? Having random things stuck at the end of dead-ends doesn't change the fact you're running them for what you get at the end. And it's been years since I've had any WoW dungeon group that does any of the extra things in dungeons, it's always a rush to the end ignoring all the side paths. I can't even remember the last time a group I was in went after Rotgrip in Mauradon.
I guess the sky doesn't count as part of the environment in the real world, I mean you can't reach up and touch that shit so it doesn't count
Correct.
You are an absolute moron
Sasuga pedant anon.
Nobody is going to think less of you for arguing in good faith you know.
Hey, you can believe LBRS is the peak perfection of dungeon design, but most of us don't have three hours to spend on a random dungeon.
>but most of us don't have three hours to spend on a random dungeon.
Then simply choose not to, just like how there's content in the game right now that you choose not to do.
>they should make shitty content no one but me wants to do, that's good game design
Nobody outside of homosexuals in shitholes like this looking for MMO oldgay street cred wants shitty dungeons that take forever to do.
>no one but me wants to do
There's plenty of content in FFXIV already that no one wants to do, like Lord of Verminion and Deep Dungeons.
>Lords of Verminion
Yeah, and they dropped that shit when they realized no one gives a frick
>Deep Dungeon
Plenty of people like Deep Dungeons and still do them, and we're getting a new one in 6.3. Seethe.
>and we're getting a new one in 6.3
Hahaha more dopamine reward trash for ADHD babies.
Are you a fricking bot? This buzzword laden reply doesn't even make sense.
>How many?
Enough to where there are dedicated communities for it still.
>Enough to where there are dedicated communities for it still.
Source?
I'm not going to go hunting for Discord links. Frick off.
>there are dedicated communities bro
>i don't know the discords but they exist i swear
>p-please believe me
Sounds like niche content at best.
Still a bigger niche than "regular dungeons with side corridors".
True, good thing no one suggested that.
Except for all of you XIV babies who need your dopamine reward.
>complex dungeon design is niche
Elden Ring just sold 13 million copies.
how about you play the game and find out, there are plenty of people using deep dungeons for the first few times to get loot, others going in for the xp grinds, others still going for the prestigous titles. you would know that if you had even tried to dip your toe in.
>there are plenty of people using deep dungeons
Source?
The game, play it.
Where can I find Deep Dungeons player numbers in game?
you go to the place where you enter the deep dungeons, see players gathered around ,playing.
>go to the spot in gridania
>2 entire people there and they're not actually doing the content, just standing around outside of it
lol
ackshually they are just members of the onokoro and quarrymill erp factions
Fair, you got me.
>how about you play the game and find out,
Sure, I just checked PF and there are zero deep dungeons groups forming. What a shocker.
You might begin to thing Deep dungeons can be done as 1 player, and that friends tend to go do xp grinds as groups, or with members of their static or fc. PF is not used for deep dungeon group gathering, and so it is not exactly a metric is it?
What metric do you use then? "Play the game" isn't a metric.
i use the metric of being in the community for several years now and having seen it talked about plenty, how its commonly used as a good method to farm xp.
You'd be hard pressed to find numbers for regular dungeons and even more hard pressed to find non BLU groups forming for them in PF, but to imply that means that dungeons are dead and nobody runs them is beyond moronic.
I've been playing the game for a couple years now too, and deep dungeons have been dead as frick nearly the entire time. If your entire argument hinges on "muh experience" then it's exactly as worthless as mine.
Fair, I've never had trouble getting groups for them, and theres always a few people doing them (not counting the necromancer autists) whenever i've checked, but im happy to put my hands up and say its anecdotal evidence. though im sure people in the necromancer autismbase will be able to explain how we're both wrong.
anecdote? i run a 50 to 200 potd run once a week with pugs and always clear
there you have it then
Of course someone poisoned by dopamine rewards doesn't understand anything.
Oh look, a XIV map with a more varied path. It was also one of the most hated dungeons to the point they remade it.
Yeah, because there was frick all in it other than the dopamine reward at the end. What's the point of complex dungeon design if the reward structure is exactly as banal as the corridor dungeons?
Also that design looks pathetically bad lmao.
Is parroting "dopamine reward" the only "argument" you have? Do WoW dungeons not offer anything that makes you feel good for finishing them?
>Is parroting "dopamine reward" the only "argument" you have?
What would you call it then? The semantics of the terminology doesn't change my position.
> Do WoW dungeons not offer anything that makes you feel good for finishing them?
Modern WoW dungeons are pretty banal too, but even in their current state they offer a much more satisfying routing challenge than FFXIV dungeons do.
>Plenty of people like Deep Dungeons and still do them
How many?
>How many?
Enough for the devs to consider making more of them
wows loot system (intrinsically tied to dungeons) was considered more addictive than heroin , and that was back in tbc when they hadnt made the whole game about optimizing the dopamine formulae.
>FFXIV
>open skies
lmao. if you fly straight up even in an open world zone you'll hit an arbitrary invisible ceiling like 50 feet up. there's zero chance you are free to fly straight up in a dungeon.
The EW hubs are kinda fricked too and i hope its just a covid thing and not them just saying frick it and doing whatever from now on. Sharlayan is easily the worst big city they've made so far, its honestly fricking pathetic outside the central aetheryte area.
My biggest issue with getting into XIV is the mandatory story quests, at least with WoW you can get right into the content by leveling through dungeons or PvP
Thing is, with XIV you only have to do it once, lvling alts in xiv is night and day to wow's expirience, but as you said, so is the first time expirience, and not in a good way.
>with XIV you only have to do it once
You need alts if you want to gear up multiple jobs at once. BiS on one job takes like 8 weeks from the start of a tier because of all the lockouts and timegating on tomes.
>lvling alts in xiv is night and day to wow's expirience
Leveling 1-60 in WoW takes less time than leveling 1-90 on an alt-job in XIV, and you can gear it up simultaneously to your other classes because lockouts are per-character.
Funnily enough its okay for XIV to not cater to the turboautists who want to minmax gearing multiple jobs at once. That being said its funny you neglected to mention that many classes in xiv share gear. I cant speak for current wow, havent played since BFA, but xiv's alt lvling is incredibly fast and convenient for 99.9% of the playerbase, and so is gearing BiS.
>Funnily enough its okay for XIV to not cater to the turboautists who want to minmax gearing multiple jobs at once.
So it's a good thing that FFXIV gates you out of content now?
>you neglected to mention that many classes in xiv share gear.
Only within a given role. So if you want to gear up 2 jobs at once, they have to both be ranged dps or something idiotic like that. You can't play a healer + a tank and expect to gear them both at once.
>xiv's alt lvling is incredibly fast and convenient
WoW's leveling is significantly faster. Shadowlands revamped the leveling process and made it trivial as frick.
>So it's a good thing that FFXIV gates you out of content now?
Timegating is a problem in all MMO's , While present in XIV it is not as severe. Unless you're talking about the msq, in which case, yes, yes its a good thing that they expect people to play the game. Might be a bit more fitting for a single-player game though, I agree.
>Only within a given role.
yeah , but you realise that its only a very niche few people who are even inclined to play in that manner, the game is designed to be played on one character after all.
>WoW's leveling is significantly faster.
Good for wow, Its nice to see them catch up, but ive only heard bad things about the gearing and endgame hoops from my mates who still play it.
>Unless you're talking about the msq, in which case, yes, yes its a good thing that they expect people to play the game.
You don't ever actually need to play the game during the MSQ, though. 90% of it is running between NPCs or watching movies. The other 10% doesn't expect any actual gameplay from you, you can literally roll your forehead over random buttons and win. If you want to actually play a video game you need to get to Savage content.
>, but you realise that its only a very niche few people who are even inclined to play in that manner
You're saying it's niche to play more than one role? What?
>the game is designed to be played on one character after all.
If it's designed to be played on one character, why can't I level up multiple jobs at once on one character?
To a lot of people the story is the content. and they are enjoying themselves far more than someone literally just rolling their forhead over random buttons.
>You're saying it's niche to play more than one role?
no im saying its niche to require justfying an alt to gear up two completely seperate classes in the fastest manner possible specifically for the highest difficulty of content. for 98% of content , crafted gear is just fine, and for 99% of people doing savage raiding the gearing system is faster than they would expect out of its contemporary mmos.
>If it's designed to be played on one character, why can't I level up multiple jobs at once on one character?
you can?
People in WoW do the content? I thought they just cashed in their WoW Tokens to buy the skips.
>People in WoW do the content?
Yeah, hence WoWlogs having more than triple the userbase of XIVlogs.
>logs
Toi mean that theres more trannies on wow? No suprise
No, it means there are more people doing the content in WoW.
It means there are more troony parsers, yeah
>No, it means there are more people doing the content in WoW.
>more people doing the content in WoW.
>Saying this in one of the worst expansion the game ever had, during one of the raid tiers with the smaller ammount of parses since wod.
We get it you don't like FFXIV story and you think that raiding is the only real content a MMO can have. You don't need to like it but other people do, it's just not your thing. I would even say that WOW style of Raiding,PVP and Mythic+ being the only thing to do is the reason the game is dying.
I will take a MMO that gives something to everyone, instead of a MMO that hyper focus in only type of content for one type of player, every day of the week
>Saying this in one of the worst expansion the game ever had, during one of the raid tiers with the smaller ammount of parses since wod.
All of this is true, and there are still more people doing content in WoW despite that.
>We get it you don't like FFXIV story and you think that raiding is the only real content a MMO can have.
No, there are plenty of other ways to make engaging MMO content. M+ and Mage Tower, for example.
>I would even say that WOW style of Raiding,PVP and Mythic+ being the only thing to do
They aren't the only thing to do. There's significantly more braindead collection content in WoW than in FFXIV.
>There's significantly more braindead collection content in WoW than in FFXIV.
bruuh
>People in WoW do the content?
yeah, much more than ffxiv players do content. fewer than 900k people have reached the endgame in XIV, and something like 90% of those players don't even raid, they just do the braindead side content that was designed for the mentally stunted.
raid are for mentally ill minmax homosexuals.
people in XIV just do fun content.
None of the content in FFXIV is fun other than raids. Treasure maps and sightseeing logs require less brain power than a children's puzzle book.
>I don't have fun so obviously nobody else does.
The side content in FFXIV is mobile-tier vapid. Not sure why anyone pretends to enjoy it. If I'm going to do braindead chores I might as well just play WoW, because at least I get rewarded for it there.
>it's fake fun
Peak Ganker delusion
"Fun" is something people tell themselves they're having to justify wasting their lives doing moronic meaningless shit.
>it's fake fun!
Living itself is a worthless meaningless thing to do.
Are you having "fun" posting here?
Sounds like you unironically need to play and absorb the message of endwalker.
wicked, nihilistic, with a dark sense of humor
>Theres no way anybody is having fun if im not having fun. They're obviously pretending.
Thats how moronic you sound.
It's not for you. Frick off.
>When does this get fun?
In the 2013-2017 time period.
Why does my retainer bring me a stuffed bom boko every day
take an hint
If I want to do some older normal mode raids, can I just use Duty Finder to go through them, or would I be better off looking in PF?
Depends. You can make PFs if you wanna do ilvl sync and no echo. Or you can DF it and do it easier.
Coils would definitely be PF though.
You can use DF for any of the normal raids except Bahamut.
How much of these boring fetch x, kill y quests to I need to take before I can go to the golden saucer and play Mahjong?
Not much
You need to get through the MSQ to the point where you can use the airship to travel to other main cities. Then you should be able to pick up the Gold Saucer quest in Ul'dah.
I just checked and apparently it's 3 more quests. What a drag the mainline quest is.
its an mmorpg dude what else do you want? atleast it has a story cutscenes and voice acting unlike any other shit'o'rpg
bunnies
how do you get the 2b top without the skirt?
>how do you get the 2b top without the skirt?
mods
>Eureka is kino content and pure pleb filtering only morons get filtered by it filtered filtered FILTERED
>decide to finally do it to see if it's as kino as advertised
>literally nothing but brainless mob grinding and waiting for even more brainless FATEs that are for most part easier and less interesting than Heavensward dungeon bosses
>bots everywhere bloat up FATE hp so it takes forever
>hordes only show up up in Pyros and Hydatos to loot the magicite fates, can't keep track of spawns
>sole danger of Eureka is the Pagos dragons the first time you're there and not knowing how to press walk, everything else is just walk around the high level mob lmao
>logogram system is shit
>Pyros relic substat allocation is completely shit and was pointless on release let alone now
>Baldesion Arsenal is interesting but way too easy and full of actual schizo trannies who behave as if though their discord server has the only right to it
>"sense of community" mostly revolves around yelling at early pullers and "pls revive at <pos>
The only good things about Eureka are the level design and BA, and level design mostly goes out of the window after Pagos though the environments are still good. Bozja while ugly and boring was far more interesting in execution, I can see why they gutted most of the brainless tedium
I can't believe you saved this post somewhere
Whatever it takes to farm yous
It doesn't
why is every server balmung-lite now?
Is Endwalker getting another Bozja/Eureka-like content?
Probably not.
why is every thread for this game either a sperg spamming or just people being upset over iit
We had decent threads around EW launch.
Before that they just got deleted because of a butthurt WoWgay janny, and now it's just mentally ill "people" shiposting the threads to death for various reasons.
there's 1 guy on Ganker who goes into any XIV thread and replies to people with anything ranging from 'kys Black person' to 'fricking moron go die this game sucks'. I'm assuming its some /wowg/ user. I have to give him props though, he must keep a second monitor always on Ganker looking for these threads.
meds. there is no dedicated shitposter in ffxiv and here's no mod that favors wow
Square Enix games have like several dedicated schizos posting at all times.
You have the FFXV schizo, the 2nd FFXV ESL schizo, the XVI schizo, the KH schizo. I know there's others as well. Square Enix games just attract mentally ill people
kino
>ardbets theme is a sad version of wols
i can't imagine being so fricking boring that i'd argue semantics for 500 posts
There is nothing else to do or play.