Do you really need the case to dust off?
Don't get me wrong i love my collection but i wouldnt pay that kind of money just to add a game to it decades later unless it was something i loved, but i own everything i love already.
Around 2080 when the millennial hoarders all die and Gen-whatever doesn't care about nearly 100yo games
You got a good 57 years to save up, emulate, or buy a mister
A lot sooner than that. If the economy actually recovers for the lower and middle classes(xfd), Millennials will be buying homes and starting families. A lot will dump the games they own, and the demand side will dry up, as Zoomers won't have the nostalgia for our games.
Though it's an incredible expectation for the lower and middle class lives to improve, since we've only been getting worse.
A lot sooner than that. If the economy actually recovers for the lower and middle classes(xfd), Millennials will be buying homes and starting families. A lot will dump the games they own, and the demand side will dry up, as Zoomers won't have the nostalgia for our games.
Though it's an incredible expectation for the lower and middle class lives to improve, since we've only been getting worse.
tfw the golden era of video games will at some point be forever forgotten, like tears in the rain
Never. There too many nostalgia-homosexuals that severely overvalue this shit.
If you're waiting for it to burst, you should buy flashcarts/odes if you have the hardware and emulate for anything you don't have instead.
I got a saturn with fenrir ODE installed because as much as I love collecting shit is too pricey these days and I just spent over $150 on a pristine copy of GitS for PS1
>scarce collectibles that get scarcer because they break easily in a popular hobby that's expanding all the time
Why would prices ever fall? They're not gonna "come out" with more retro consoles.
Normies are not the ones collecting 20-40 year old plastic that won't even plug into their Super Omega 8K 600hz HDR OLED TV anymore, they are the ones who are paying a hundred dollars for an emulation box that they saw at Walmart or Amazon which is just a $20 chinkbox from Aliexpress marked up for idiots who don't know better that comes pre-loaded with games. Or the ones paying for NSO on their Switch just to play said 20-40 year old games.
The collectors, especially the ones paying thousands for the rotting polymers to plug into their re-capped consoles connected to a CRT taken out of a hospital or movie studio are the super-obsessed autists.
You see this in the rare books market too. moronic collectors who think their forgotten junk is worth 1000x the original sale price new. Like other people are saying it probably won't since they've got no disincentive to ever drop the price or treat it like a real commodity.
Collectors are cancer. I had a friend who bought hundreds of snes/nes games growing up and yet he only ever played maybe 10-15% of what he owns. Keeps insisting he's sitting on a multi-thousand dollar stockpile when it's evident he'd be an idiot to sell. Stupid conspicuous consumption like collecting boy scout badges
Came here to mention this, but not even limited to actually rare junk. Just by virtue of being old sellers think they can charge like 200 dollars for a piece of shit book nobody is willing to pay that much for, and it just sits there on amazon or whatever for four or five years not being sold.
I assume when it finally is sold its to another moron who thinks he can get even more for it.
Do better gatekeeping. Convince the retro yotube channels to die, and destroy the retro subreddits, and /vr/. Along with all the collector/speculator websites that track pricing.
Lol @ all these losers on here mad normies got into their persona creating hobby.
As much as this board criticizes normies for being NPCs their only “personality trait” is playing retro games, so they’re having an existential crisis about their sekrit club
>people on the retro game board only talk about retro games >this means they have nothing else going on in their lives
The frick are you smoking? >those boring McDonald's workers always be like "you want fries with that" like get a life homie, get some hobbies
It’s not that they play retro games you disingenuous gay, it’s that they get upset that “normies” care about retro games now. It’s even dumber to talk about because what would you even do to stop normies from ruining the hobby? What’s done is done, you can’t poison pill retro games so that they load up Mario 64 and it evaporates all the Onions in their fridge, there’s nothing we can do about it. The cat is forever out of the bag.
No one in this thread cares about normgroids playing retro games the problem is, normies or otherwise, the internet has led to these markets that are inefficient where people are paying 200 bucks for things that are probbaly buried in a dusty corner of every garage on their street.
Yes. Undiscerning people value their nostalgia far too highly and end up driving up prices for piss common shit like pokemon games because they need it right now because they can't into delayed gratification.
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As much as this board criticizes normies for being NPCs their only “personality trait” is playing retro games, so they’re having an existential crisis about their sekrit club
Anom, it's not hard to go to a thrift store and find mountains of old media such as CDs, DVDs, VHSes, Betamax, laserdisc, vinyls, and cassettes, for cheap. CDs have been around since the 70s.
7 months ago
Anonymous
>CDs have been around since the 70s.
7 months ago
Anonymous
u rite, my bad, it was actually 60s
https://history-computer.com/compact-disc/
7 months ago
Anonymous
>fake news
7 months ago
Anonymous
>wastes time looking up cd history >refuses to type Saturn Disc Rot into yt
Go frick yourself.
7 months ago
Anonymous
Thrift stores got wise to that shit my dude. Everybody has the internet, anything that has any value gets flogged on ebay pretty much immediately. At best you're getting parity pricing on anything worthwhile.
7 months ago
Anonymous
Bro. Not everyone lives in the same place. I have a recycled books store near me that has so much shit they can't get rid of it's all affordable. Sorry you're getting exploited. Picked up Street Fighter II VHS for like $2 the other week.
7 months ago
Anonymous
Doesn't this just prove the point of this thread? You have things selling for 200 bucks and then 2 bucks like 10 miles away. That's the problem with every internet era "collectors" market.
7 months ago
Anonymous
Not every disc is made equal.
Sega Saturn discs were especially poorly produced where lots of contaminants was allowed to get between the disc layers.
7 months ago
Anonymous
Same thing for Sega CD games btw.
Those collections with be ash within the century.
7 months ago
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:c
7 months ago
Anonymous
Well that is a reasonable statement to make, I wasn't aware of that. Is there anywhere I can read more on that, or do you have any more info/background? Would be interested.
7 months ago
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>Sega Saturn discs were especially poorly produced where lots of contaminants
Source?
make a dummy disc+box, smash it and take a photo for ebay return support. report it as "insufficient packaging protection by the seller". you will win the case and get a full refund + a $900 game for free
(Do not report this post. It's not a troll or larp.)
A couple years ago, I got an idea when a discord friend was talking about wanting to play a physical copy of Chrono Trigger and cussing out collectorgays.
Since it sounded important to him, I offered to sell him my copy (my shit just takes up space, and I'm fine with the PSX port) provided he keeps it out of the collector's market forever. And that there was only way I could be sure of that.
I told him that I would scrawl the word Black person down the front of the cartridge in sharpie. Replacing the label or repainting the cart isn't something collectorgays and shops do. This way I'd be assured he wanted the game strictly to play it and not to appreciate in value.
He agreed and I mailed him the defaced cart after receiving 40 bux plus shipping. My one regret is I didn't tear the label a bit to make a legible "Chrono Black person". But as far as I know, he still has the game and couldn't sell it if he wanted to.
Thinking back, I may have been onto something. There could be an actual network for jaded retrobros willing to unload their unwanted games to actual players. I'd scrawl racial slurs on all of my games if they were being sent to good hands.
Fricking horseshit.
I liked arcade game monitors and computer monitors and always hated composhit, but just lived with it for my game consoles because I didn't know better.
Aside from the trotted out examples where devs seemed to plan for the shittiness of composite, you have no argument except nostalgia.
You are a homosexual.
based
i lived through starting on rf, going to composite, then svid to component
i have 2 rgb monitors and dont ever think about composite anymore outside of novelty, when i got my PS2 i wanted the component cables for my wega back in 2003 because i wanted a better picture quality, not a fricking worse one
i feel like the composite = best gays are just moronic zoomers who never lived through the era
If you want sharp pixels use your flatscreen. I'll be tearing out these connectors at once
7 months ago
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CRTs have many other benefits that I will enjoy with the highest quality signals possible.
If you actually go through with your little fantasy scheme, my hat goes off to the guy that gets a CRT from you, solders on a new connector and flips the set for massive profits.
>In fact, you're worse
For lowering the inflated value of a product (that the seller always acquires for free lol) and instead getting it in the hands of people who actually have a use case for it?
And I don't like how that part of them has affected the market for CRT's. If you want your fancy ports then continue paying the dickhead premium prices.
7 months ago
Anonymous
I'd much rather do that than support your misguided vendetta.
7 months ago
Anonymous
Then there is no harm; you will maintain the current bubble and I will throw away sets to people who actually like playing games
7 months ago
Anonymous
Some of those people might want to upgrade to sets that have their ports intact. You're just destroying history because you have a hate boner for people who can appreciate it.
7 months ago
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>might want to upgrade
Then they can do what you do and condone a bubble by paying moronic prices
7 months ago
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You're gonna make the bubble worse then by driving up the price of intact CRTs. How do you feel about that? If you take satisfaction in that, then go frick yourself.
7 months ago
Anonymous
The bubble for component/SCART sets? Not my problem as I only care about composite lol
>In fact, you're worse
For lowering the inflated value of a product (that the seller always acquires for free lol) and instead getting it in the hands of people who actually have a use case for it?
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You're no better than the scalpers you detest. In fact, you're worse. At least scalpers sell an intact product.
Reminds me, I should start tearing the component/SCART connectors out of CRT's so they don't end up in the hands of scalpers
What countries are you from where there's "CRT scalpers"? Where I'm from you get everything that isnt a studio monitor either for free or for below 10 bux.
7 months ago
Anonymous
In Brisbane you can pay $100 for a mono composite-only piece of shit
7 months ago
Anonymous
>australia
There's a reason they shipped your ancestors off to Black person island.
But you guys scalping each other for what is considered junk in the rest of the world doesn't count.
In europe you can get mid 90s trinitron for free.
If you throw tantrums about people "scalping" crt make sure to add the disclaimer that youre ausfalian.
7 months ago
Anonymous
I always hear yanks complain about scalpers though. I guess there's no room for scalping in Europe when your 3x3 metre apartment prevents you from having any inventory
7 months ago
Anonymous
People in europe scalp different stuff. There's a bunch of mentally ill hoarders in germany buying up every retro game on european ebay below a certain price thershold only to re-list them for 10x the price after having scalped them.
But since germany is huge and most german families had several tv sets over the last 50 years there's hundereds of thousands of used CRT flying around that nobody wants or needs, so you tend to get them really cheap. Even rare ones like late era widescreen CRT.
To normies that stuff is junk and for some reason most german retro gamers would rather buy a $200 frame meister to hook their retro consoles to a shitty subpar LCD screen than to drive 10 minutes to get a free CRT.
7 months ago
Anonymous
since after the 10 min drive that TV doesn't survived it and I can drive it right back and get my money back but wait a sec...
7 months ago
Anonymous
Recently I got an old korean crt for free from some farm close to my place. Thought I had it secured firmly but it totally fell over at a speedbump.
Still works fine though.
I'm only using that component for 6th and 7th gen man, this thing has S-video and I don't use it.
A lot sooner than that. If the economy actually recovers for the lower and middle classes(xfd), Millennials will be buying homes and starting families. A lot will dump the games they own, and the demand side will dry up, as Zoomers won't have the nostalgia for our games.
Though it's an incredible expectation for the lower and middle class lives to improve, since we've only been getting worse.
What year do you think it presently is? People too broke for kids are not the ones driving a collector market anyways.
I would absolutely take a bunch of defaced Black person carts for just-to-play use. I usually just get the worst condition carts if multiple are for sale for that reason and if the price drop is a noticeable amount, plus those carts no one wants gets to be reused atleast.
>But as far as I know, he still has the game and couldn't sell it if he wanted to.
He absolutely could. Either by ripping off the label (cart is still very valuable without it), using the dry-erase marker trick, using careful application of acetone, or by simply marking out the word with additional sharpie usage.
A defaced Chrono Trigger cart is still worth a lot of money.
I'm pretty sure it already has, anyone with interest in actually playing older games just emulates them now.
personally i do enjoy collecting older media surrounding video games like art books, old game store advertisements etc.
i feel like you can realistically have one expensive collecting based hobby and not be a s0iboy still.
anons I'm new here but have been a retro gamer for awhile but I it's like your speaking a different language
flashcart? oed?.backups?.AES? I just wanna play old games and grill for fricks sake
Flashcart = Flash cartridge. Multiple games flashed onto one cartridge.
ODE = Optical drive emulator. Something you can replace your disc-based system drive with.
Backups = ROMs/ISOs
AES = Neo Geo Advanced Entertainment System. It was the consolized version of the Neo Geo arcade system. You could buy this for home use and it played cartridges.
>More specifically you put games on an SD card and put the SD card in the flashcart. Similar deal for ODEs
Depends on the cart, some of the earlier/cheaper ones, or ones for very old systems, had to be flashed with a game and just directly booted into that one game with no menu. Changing games meant having to re-flash it. The latest example of something like that I can think of is the 3-in-1 GBA cart. While it was meant to be used as a companion to DS flashcarts on a DS, you could still flash a single GBA game to it with a DS and then play it on a GBA.
I guess one advantage of such a cart was that it appears as the actual game to anything you plug it into for anything that could link up with a GBA game, so you would for example be able to import pokemon from a GBA title to a DS one as if it was a real GBA Pokemon cart.
There were standalone GBA flash cards even back in the day - the M3 and SuperCard were probably the best ones but they were quite expensive at around $40-$60 in 2005/2006 iirc. And you usually could only order them from shady Chinese online retailers.
They also had some compatibility problems. A few games never worked and most games you wanted to patch them before putting them on the card. Flash memory had subtle differences in access speed back then that fricked up GBA games.
Describe exactly what it is you want to do, and we'll provide the most efficient solution. What kind of games? Console? Arcade? Any systems in mind? If you just want "all games," of course it's going to be confusing, you need a goal in mind.
Don't worry, I saw a YouTube video about how a the same copy of a Mario game that literally sold for millions got re-listed and "only" went for a few hundred thousand the next time! So clearly the bubble has burst! Hurray!
I could see a panic crash for disc-based consoles if disc rot becomes a real and pervasive issue, but I don't think quality control was so universally bad that we'd see something like that.
But in general, owning the game is not required to play the game. People buy them when they think the price reflects the value of owning the physical object. If you DON'T see that value, then you can and should just emulate or use a flash cart.
>But in general, owning the game is not required to play the game. People buy them when they think the price reflects the value of owning the physical object. If you DON'T see that value, then you can and should just emulate or use a flash cart.
This. I buy games and I emulate both, but outside of truly stupid shit like paying a grand for a single game entombed in acryllic, I respect people who have games they either like or are interested in enough to purchase. I've spent a reasonable amount this year on used games, including two grails that I've wanted for a long time and managed to get respectively cheap copies of.
tl;dr
Play games or emulate or buy - do whatever you want, just try not to be a stupid c**t and stir shit up if you disagree with others choices. Unless those choices involve buying graded games or sealed games that shit on a shelf and are never played.
Disc rot scare was a meme from people living in sweltering shithole lands and some moron poking their head on a laserdisc forum + misidentified actual physical top damage to discs as "rot".
The trick is to buy slightly obscure games that will inevitably get blown up by some youtuber before it's too late. I recommend Shadow of Destiny it's still fairly cheap and I guarantee within this decade it's going to surge in price after someone big covers it.
It's actually a very caring effort since it gets more composite-ready sets out there for people who actually want to play games. Due to the fricked up CRT market I had to be really patient to get my current set, and I wouldn't want other honest players to have to wait like I did. We all know RGBgays don't actually like playing games as they're the audiophiles of gaming, and they'll be happy to paypig for SCART no matter how expensive because consoomers are price-inelastic. I have no business sympathising with such people, so you would have to convince me that this is somehow bad for composite users.
Im loaning this thread to ask a question. Is there somekind of wiki/library that would show the official releases of games? I am looking to buy SNES games but I don't want a repro game. I want the real deal but I don't know what the official carts look like for some of the games
Never. Production will never resume for old games. They are finite and slowly degrading and being destroyed over time, as well as being added to the collections of people with no intent to sell them.
The over-saturation of retro gaming content creators on YouTube looking for the next obscure title to cover, thus creating a frenzy. Adding to an already overly-inflated bubble.
>Never. Production will never resume for old games.
Disagree. Chances are always increasing these days that new production runs will come out since there seems to be a trend towards returning to physical, even if it's only a niche. Massive corporations agreeing to start reprinting vinyl wholesale in retail locations is something people would say would never happen again. Does that mean it'll happen for us? Maybe not. But I longer believe it's impossible.
Nintendo is never going to reprint SNES carts. Sony is never going to reprint PSX discs. Big companies don't want you to own anything. That "trend" is only small indie companies relying on nostalgia and novelty to make a few extra sales.
And even if by some miracle this all changed, there would still be completely different markets for "new" versions and originals. Next you might say: >but who cares if it's original or not as long as it's playable?
If you don't care you just emulate or use an everdrive. People interested in collecting old games and systems now will still prefer the originals over reprints, and those prices will not change.
>Massive corporations agreeing to start reprinting vinyl wholesale in retail locations is something people would say would never happen again.
Completely different industries, and retro/physical obsession has been a part of gaming for longer than music.
>If you don't care you just emulate or use an everdrive. People interested in collecting old games and systems now will still prefer the originals over reprints, and those prices will not change.
I mean, you can say all the same arguments about music. All the people listening to Spotify and streaming are also the ones buying vinyl too, I don't think people are married to one idea or the other, people like to have options. I think if someone did, it doesn't have to be Nintendo, it would sell well because there clearly is a demand there.
Many games already cost far cheaper than when they were new. In a way it is worth to buy these games, my reason.
>be neet
able to spend time going to garage sales and happen to have a stack of the games that become valuable
>spend time increasing you wage
missed out on those cool deals but now earns a decent amount of money so can easily afford those overpriced games.
Atari is reprinting new carts, you never know what could happen. I think the market is missing a gb sizing gaming device.
In Brisbane you can pay $100 for a mono composite-only piece of shit
Guess it depends on what area you are in, in a different area of Australia I found some crt's on the lawn but left 1 because it was too big for me. Almost 2 weeks later I decide to see if someone took it and no one did so I got it. I think in some areas you could try to give away a working crt and no one would take it. In my time talking with retro gamers I have never known a single one who owned a crt and when I bring it up even to retro games they act like owning a crt is such an unusual thing to do.
>Guess it depends on what area you are in, in a different area of Australia I found some crt's on the lawn but left 1 because it was too big for me. Almost 2 weeks later I decide to see if someone took it and no one did so I got it. I think in some areas you could try to give away a working crt and no one would take it.
> In my time talking with retro gamers I have never known a single one who owned a crt and when I bring it up even to retro games they act like owning a crt is such an unusual thing to do.
Kinda confirms my theory that most Australians are fricking stupid.
crts are cool but keeping a big box that displays in a tiny resolution just to play games that play fine on an lcd is kinda weird tbf. for the average tv user, an lcd is a direct upgrade.
In Brisbane you can pay $100 for a mono composite-only piece of shit
mono composite only, but i got mine off the side of the road. i guess it just depends where you are.
t. moreton bay
>australia
There's a reason they shipped your ancestors off to Black person island.
But you guys scalping each other for what is considered junk in the rest of the world doesn't count.
In europe you can get mid 90s trinitron for free.
If you throw tantrums about people "scalping" crt make sure to add the disclaimer that youre ausfalian.
what is it about australia that makes people seethe so much?
7 months ago
Anonymous
You're either bad at games or exclusively play casual baby shit.
7 months ago
Anonymous
How did you come to this conclusion
7 months ago
Anonymous
Because you clearly don't know shit about input delay.
7 months ago
Anonymous
>crts are cool but keeping a big box that displays in a tiny resolution just to play games that play fine on an lcd is kinda weird tbf. for the average tv user, an lcd is a direct upgrade.
If that's your mindset why even look for original hardware and not emulate instead?
Kinda dumb to use original hardware on display devices that weren't designed to display them. Might as well get an Emulator with a proper shader
7 months ago
Anonymous
>just to play games that play fine on an lcd
ignorant casual
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7 months ago
Anonymous
Fake news with the advent of runhead. The lag will be identical.
But I wasn't only referring to the input lag.
Playing /vr/ games on an LCD with no shader is just completely butchering the image.
7 months ago
Anonymous
It looks fine.
7 months ago
Anonymous
Looks fine to me too. Input lag is definitely a concern though.
ignorant casuals
7 months ago
Anonymous
Looks fine to me too. Input lag is definitely a concern though.
>Many games already cost far cheaper than when they were new
What a fricking joke of an argument: >"Hey, these used 20-40 year old games and equipment cost less than they did if you were buying them brand new 20-40 years ago when they were the latest and brand new releases"
That's more mental gymnastics than actual gymnastics in Winter Games. Imagine acting as if it's perfectly fine if used VCRs were commonly $200+ because they cost more back when they were new.
You're so right anon great argument. We just need enough fat indie devs to make gay little JRPGs and print them on Sega Genesis carts and all those Nintendo games on eBay will plummet in price!
Why are you still coping with this strawman bullshit? Are you literally moronic? The only one talking about indie games is you. And the voices in your head.
Is anyone buying for those inflated prices?
That's the bigger question.
I suspect some nerds just put their entire collection on ebay for insane prices for the off-chance some sucker is gonna bite.
At t his point it just sort of seems like some kind of bizarre ouroboros where the retro industry keeps itself alive. Scalpers buying and selling to other scalpers. There are times when I'm tempted to unload some of my collection but I know it would just be back on ebay a week after they get it with a marked up price. Which really shouldn't bother me as much as it does but I don't need the cash that badly either.
When game companies start doing reprints of older games and consoles like they do with comic books. Which will never happen because it's easier and cheaper to just release "remastered" ports or ROMs running on a shitty emulator wrapper for every new console gen.
>older games
This does happen to be fair >consoles
Pretty unlikely even if they wanted to - a lot of the parts are simply not made anymore. The manufacturing tech for making them might not even exist anymore. They'd have to do FPGAs.
The comic market is almost 100 percent manipulated shit by heritage auctions. It's the same kinda money laundering/pyramid scheme shit that "one Million Dollar Mario 64" was.
When game companies start doing reprints of older games and consoles like they do with comic books. Which will never happen because it's easier and cheaper to just release "remastered" ports or ROMs running on a shitty emulator wrapper for every new console gen.
Putting aside the collectors market for a minute, comics are at least thankfully in a better position to where people are still able to at least READ them. Even outside "alternative methods" a fan of comics can largely get a good chunk of the material collected in omnibus or TPB format and companies will let you access their back catalogues via stuff like the marvel app. Video game companies seem almost allergic to the idea of putting a large chink of their past libraries up online or in modern release collections.
I don't even care about not having them myself anymore. I just can't help but wonder who this hobby is even for anymore. The people buying and selling are so divorced from the actual player base that it feels alien.
It's not that I don't like having things. I'll always prefer a physical copy but there's a limit to how moronic these things get. Simply put, NO GAME, is worth a thousand bucks. Not my favorite. Not your favorite. And I'm not about to "SUPPORT" some scumbag scalper who just wants a house payment for a mediocre retro game.
Zommers either don't care about retro games or pirate and emulate the games.If you need to mock younger generation for coping then you are extremely pathetic.
Again, you're moronic. It's the Johnny come late zoomers complaining about these prices when they look to buy this shit. Millenials mostly have what they already want or got it early.
Do zoomers even have the disposable income for this type of shit? I thought it was almost exclusively zoyface tech worker millennials on the west coast
>zoyface tech worker millennials on the west coast
These are the homosexuals who happily, pay the high prices or already have them and then show them off, they dont complain about the market.
It's the collectard wannabes trying to enter it now that its bloated complaining about the prices because they're forced to pay much higher costs to get in now.
>It's the collectard wannabes trying to enter it now that its bloated complaining about the prices because they're forced to pay much higher costs to get in now.
The "collectard wannabes trying to enter it now" think these are sane prices because "retro is expensive." They don't know that games are 10 or 100 times more expensive than they used to be.
Even a Walmart greeter can afford retro games. It's "expensive" for low income people.
Again, you're moronic. It's the Johnny come late zoomers complaining about these prices when they look to buy this shit. Millenials mostly have what they already want or got it early.
No, the people driving the prices are the upper Middle class millennial dads who owned a super Nintendo 30 years ago who during a skibidi toilet YouTube marathon with their son got redirected to some "retro investor " video and decided they now got a new "geek" hobby other than Lego Investments and Funko pops.
>Even a Walmart greeter can afford retro games.
If they live with their parents, yes. But if you're trying to pay for an apartment, food, gas and insurance, then you'll at least need a job that pays $30 an hour, good luck getting that without a college education.
>a job that pays $30 an hour, good luck getting that without a college education.
I dont know where you live but here plenty of jobs pay around that that dont require college education,stuff like welder or working in construction usually pays very well and its always in demand.
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Anonymous
Probably a European, so all of those jobs are Union with government-set wages.
The mistake a lot of you dweebs are making is getting upset over someone asking for 900 bux for his shitty mega man game.
Try listing the "sold" mega man games on ebay and see for how much they really go.
There's some clown for every game who tries his luck by putting shit in for $2k buy it now, not indicative of real prices.
Saturn version is significantly more rare and has exclusive content not available in other versions. The Mega Man 8 that's available everywhere is the PS1 version, making it significantly less interesting.
At best, it will be when bitrot happens.
But let's be real for a second, collectors don't play their shit anyways, so even if carts turn into paperweights and CDs into drink coasters, the price isn't falling down.
I often feel like there's a very real possibility that people who buy slabbed and boarded collectibles are really just paying for a empty box. For all we know that slabbed copy of RARE SATURN game might have nothing or some other shit in the box. They're not gonna open it to double check.
Just learn basic Japanese and buy used legit copies of games online for cheap. For some reason only western games are valued high but Japanese games/consoles are cheap as shit
Not really the case anymore now that westerners have caught on, Japanse games are still cheaper for the most part but they're not what I would call dirt cheap.
These things were selling for hundreds of thousands not long ago, now they're down to thousands. It's still a lot, but that's still an extreme drop off from the peak.
cartriges/discs are just a lower tier of graded copies, because they are still only packaging for ROMs. They are no longer needed to access ROMs and play games. Save them for orgs that actually do need legit copies.
That could be luck or the effect being slow, but I don't mean small surface scratches which can be polished off to make the disc cleanly readable again, I mean like gouges down into the layers which compromise the whole disc.
Disc rot happens when the layers aren't properly bonded and sealed, which would only happen if the disc was not manufactured correctly to begin with, or if the disc had been subjected to some sort of serious physical damage.
There's plenty of old discs which were manufactured properly and which have surface damage like that, but which aren't compromised and not about to rot. Some of those can be restored with polishing.
It's likely not ever going to burst but I don't think prices are going to continue escalating much further. Many zoomers coming of age now never even grew up with a CRT display or any physical media so they have no nostalgic attachment to real hardware outside a superficial appreciation of "muh aesthetics." Meanwhile more and more retro gaming enthusiasts are losing interest in collecting and will often offload their games on eBay or whatever after getting their hands on flashcards and ODE's.
I could see more expensive games dropping in price, since I feel like there's a significant amount of investors to actual gamers in that market, though I feel like the price floor for cheaper games will be permanently raised.
Yeah I can't actually see the bubble ever bursting in any significant way, I would assume physical deterioration would claim all these games and their cases long before any kind of market bubble for something with a finite supply would burst.
Yeah I can't actually see the bubble ever bursting in any significant way, I would assume physical deterioration would claim all these games and their cases long before any kind of market bubble for something with a finite supply would burst.
People say that about every bubble.
It will go down as there are only so many idiots wanting to play pass the overpriced item game.
Just because there aren’t many of something doesn’t mean it will stay fashionable or trendy forever.
Lost over $1k since last month. It has been dropping from its all time high quickly. At that rate, in just under 80 more months, prices should reach 0.
How do you "lose" hundereds of thousands of dollars on videogames?
With 100k you couldn't only get most consoles with a complete library but also a few choice arcade machines to round off the collection.
>How do you "lose" hundereds of thousands of dollars on videogames?
The people who bought into the speculative market via various graded auctions. Ebay's still a shit show but the morons who spent hundreds of thousands on heritage are absolutely eating it now.
The problem isn't that they don't have stock the problem is that, well simply put, nobody fricking wants the damn things. You can pay out the ass for any game you want but it doesn't have value because you spent a lot and market the price up. Nobody wants them. Nobody wants to buy overpriced saturn game #78979. Nobody cares about mint in box Nintendo title that got a youtube video.
Wasn't it discovered a few years ago that somebody found an old box full of new copies of some rare expensive game and collectors basically forced/bribed/something along those lines for that person not to let people know or sell them so their own old copies of that rotting plastic would not go down in price? I forgot if they made him not sell them at all or very slowly trickle them out.
>wannabe investorgays boiling because they didn't get in on the ground floor with the smarter investorgays
Every single one of you are identical to the gays buying games for $500. The only difference is you're too poor to afford the games now.
Every day I am glad that the only physical games I buy are the ones I wanted to have as a kid but didn't get to play, and everything else I just emulate.
That could be luck or the effect being slow, but I don't mean small surface scratches which can be polished off to make the disc cleanly readable again, I mean like gouges down into the layers which compromise the whole disc.
Disc rot happens when the layers aren't properly bonded and sealed, which would only happen if the disc was not manufactured correctly to begin with, or if the disc had been subjected to some sort of serious physical damage.
There's plenty of old discs which were manufactured properly and which have surface damage like that, but which aren't compromised and not about to rot. Some of those can be restored with polishing.
No, you don't understand, I do this for a living. Not with /vr/, but if I found a nice deal maybe. Anyway, the longer you are going to sit on an item, the more you have to [over]charge for it.
Why it should? The more time goes, the less original disks or cartridges left. If you want to play just buy a reproduction, a bootleg copy, run a rom on ode or an emulator
Do you really need the case to dust off?
Don't get me wrong i love my collection but i wouldnt pay that kind of money just to add a game to it decades later unless it was something i loved, but i own everything i love already.
Who cares? It’s 2023 you have access to everything without having to hoard old garbage.
Around 2080 when the millennial hoarders all die and Gen-whatever doesn't care about nearly 100yo games
You got a good 57 years to save up, emulate, or buy a mister
this is laughable because its zoomers buying this shit and complaining about the prices they have to pay
Zoomer are not the ones buying up nes/pc-engine games. They just buy what is nostalgic to them which is gamecube, gba or p2.
They absolutely are.
A poorgay zoomie projects
>first CD released 41 years ago
>h-h-how many 40 year old discs do you have?
You sure showed him zoom zoom
>A poorgay zoomie projects
Explain please I can aford famicom games fine I just import a 6-12 games a month for 100 to 200.
>i can larp for free
He’s just some homosexual who wants to babble “zoomie” and “zoom zoom” at another grown man. Fricking disgusting behavior.
A lot sooner than that. If the economy actually recovers for the lower and middle classes(xfd), Millennials will be buying homes and starting families. A lot will dump the games they own, and the demand side will dry up, as Zoomers won't have the nostalgia for our games.
Though it's an incredible expectation for the lower and middle class lives to improve, since we've only been getting worse.
tfw the golden era of video games will at some point be forever forgotten, like tears in the rain
1000 years from now, archanonogists will find a pac man cab fossilized in micro plastics and they will rediscover the greatness.
By that time you will be able to 3d print out a 99.9999% identical repro. Case, manual, disc, all of it.
Never. There too many nostalgia-homosexuals that severely overvalue this shit.
If you're waiting for it to burst, you should buy flashcarts/odes if you have the hardware and emulate for anything you don't have instead.
Any Day Now™
The Saturn market will never burst. It's pretty much hit Neo Geo AES levels at this point.
Just start using backups or buy the Japanese versions I guess
Stop being poor
I'm not poor, I want to free myself of this crap but I dont want to throw away the hot potato too soon
I got a saturn with fenrir ODE installed because as much as I love collecting shit is too pricey these days and I just spent over $150 on a pristine copy of GitS for PS1
Oof that game cost me 9.99 new back in the day
>scarce collectibles that get scarcer because they break easily in a popular hobby that's expanding all the time
Why would prices ever fall? They're not gonna "come out" with more retro consoles.
Nobody wants this shit but childless trannies, don't believe the hype. This will still be on eBay with a higher price next year.
Any minute now! Any minute!
Lol @ all these losers on here mad normies got into their persona creating hobby.
Normies are not the ones collecting 20-40 year old plastic that won't even plug into their Super Omega 8K 600hz HDR OLED TV anymore, they are the ones who are paying a hundred dollars for an emulation box that they saw at Walmart or Amazon which is just a $20 chinkbox from Aliexpress marked up for idiots who don't know better that comes pre-loaded with games. Or the ones paying for NSO on their Switch just to play said 20-40 year old games.
The collectors, especially the ones paying thousands for the rotting polymers to plug into their re-capped consoles connected to a CRT taken out of a hospital or movie studio are the super-obsessed autists.
You see this in the rare books market too. moronic collectors who think their forgotten junk is worth 1000x the original sale price new. Like other people are saying it probably won't since they've got no disincentive to ever drop the price or treat it like a real commodity.
Collectors are cancer. I had a friend who bought hundreds of snes/nes games growing up and yet he only ever played maybe 10-15% of what he owns. Keeps insisting he's sitting on a multi-thousand dollar stockpile when it's evident he'd be an idiot to sell. Stupid conspicuous consumption like collecting boy scout badges
Came here to mention this, but not even limited to actually rare junk. Just by virtue of being old sellers think they can charge like 200 dollars for a piece of shit book nobody is willing to pay that much for, and it just sits there on amazon or whatever for four or five years not being sold.
I assume when it finally is sold its to another moron who thinks he can get even more for it.
STOP INFLATING THE PRICES, GOD DAMN MOTHERFRICKERS, REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Do better gatekeeping. Convince the retro yotube channels to die, and destroy the retro subreddits, and /vr/. Along with all the collector/speculator websites that track pricing.
Better to buy now when PS1 and PS2 games are like $200 than in a year or two when they are $400.
That’s a bad mentality
Seething euro, get a job
As much as this board criticizes normies for being NPCs their only “personality trait” is playing retro games, so they’re having an existential crisis about their sekrit club
Just emulate, flash cart, FPGA homosexuals
>people on the retro game board only talk about retro games
>this means they have nothing else going on in their lives
The frick are you smoking?
>those boring McDonald's workers always be like "you want fries with that" like get a life homie, get some hobbies
It’s not that they play retro games you disingenuous gay, it’s that they get upset that “normies” care about retro games now. It’s even dumber to talk about because what would you even do to stop normies from ruining the hobby? What’s done is done, you can’t poison pill retro games so that they load up Mario 64 and it evaporates all the Onions in their fridge, there’s nothing we can do about it. The cat is forever out of the bag.
No one in this thread cares about normgroids playing retro games the problem is, normies or otherwise, the internet has led to these markets that are inefficient where people are paying 200 bucks for things that are probbaly buried in a dusty corner of every garage on their street.
Yes. Undiscerning people value their nostalgia far too highly and end up driving up prices for piss common shit like pokemon games because they need it right now because they can't into delayed gratification.
Enjoy your shitty pal versions of games.
Apparently, it's bursting right now
Saturn emulation sucks
Very cool time traveler, now go back to 2005.
Anon disc rot is 100% real. There's a million YouTube videos that prove as much.
>suddenly believes YouTubers
Okay, link me, shill.
>spoonfeed me PLEASE!
No.
>I- I have no evidence, JUST TRUST ME BRO
I'll be enjoying my hundreds of perfectly functional 40 year old discs. c:
How many 40 year old discs do you have? Oh 0? Ok....
Anom, it's not hard to go to a thrift store and find mountains of old media such as CDs, DVDs, VHSes, Betamax, laserdisc, vinyls, and cassettes, for cheap. CDs have been around since the 70s.
>CDs have been around since the 70s.
u rite, my bad, it was actually 60s
https://history-computer.com/compact-disc/
>fake news
>wastes time looking up cd history
>refuses to type Saturn Disc Rot into yt
Go frick yourself.
Thrift stores got wise to that shit my dude. Everybody has the internet, anything that has any value gets flogged on ebay pretty much immediately. At best you're getting parity pricing on anything worthwhile.
Bro. Not everyone lives in the same place. I have a recycled books store near me that has so much shit they can't get rid of it's all affordable. Sorry you're getting exploited. Picked up Street Fighter II VHS for like $2 the other week.
Doesn't this just prove the point of this thread? You have things selling for 200 bucks and then 2 bucks like 10 miles away. That's the problem with every internet era "collectors" market.
Not every disc is made equal.
Sega Saturn discs were especially poorly produced where lots of contaminants was allowed to get between the disc layers.
Same thing for Sega CD games btw.
Those collections with be ash within the century.
:c
Well that is a reasonable statement to make, I wasn't aware of that. Is there anywhere I can read more on that, or do you have any more info/background? Would be interested.
>Sega Saturn discs were especially poorly produced where lots of contaminants
Source?
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/ayhqmb0d-9E
>Anon disc rot is 100% real.
If only every anon here would read that. Sad. Many such cases. Millions on YouTube.
>didn’t even know Capcom made a frick ton of Megaman titles for Sega systems till OP made this homosexual ass thread
holy shit
Capcom and Konami were huge powerhouse allies with Sega.
https://archive.org/details/primal-rage-the-avatars-2023-10-29-scan
An Anon uploaded their scan of that a while back. https://archive.org/details/primal-rage-the-avatars-2023-10-29-scan
Get a job, loser.
Approximately 20 minutes after you stop caring
make a dummy disc+box, smash it and take a photo for ebay return support. report it as "insufficient packaging protection by the seller". you will win the case and get a full refund + a $900 game for free
(Do not report this post. It's not a troll or larp.)
A couple years ago, I got an idea when a discord friend was talking about wanting to play a physical copy of Chrono Trigger and cussing out collectorgays.
Since it sounded important to him, I offered to sell him my copy (my shit just takes up space, and I'm fine with the PSX port) provided he keeps it out of the collector's market forever. And that there was only way I could be sure of that.
I told him that I would scrawl the word Black person down the front of the cartridge in sharpie. Replacing the label or repainting the cart isn't something collectorgays and shops do. This way I'd be assured he wanted the game strictly to play it and not to appreciate in value.
He agreed and I mailed him the defaced cart after receiving 40 bux plus shipping. My one regret is I didn't tear the label a bit to make a legible "Chrono Black person". But as far as I know, he still has the game and couldn't sell it if he wanted to.
Thinking back, I may have been onto something. There could be an actual network for jaded retrobros willing to unload their unwanted games to actual players. I'd scrawl racial slurs on all of my games if they were being sent to good hands.
Reminds me, I should start tearing the component/SCART connectors out of CRT's so they don't end up in the hands of scalpers
What the fuyck, delete this
If you don't like composite, you don't like CRT's. Simple as.
Fricking horseshit.
I liked arcade game monitors and computer monitors and always hated composhit, but just lived with it for my game consoles because I didn't know better.
Aside from the trotted out examples where devs seemed to plan for the shittiness of composite, you have no argument except nostalgia.
You are a homosexual.
based
i lived through starting on rf, going to composite, then svid to component
i have 2 rgb monitors and dont ever think about composite anymore outside of novelty, when i got my PS2 i wanted the component cables for my wega back in 2003 because i wanted a better picture quality, not a fricking worse one
i feel like the composite = best gays are just moronic zoomers who never lived through the era
If you want sharp pixels use your flatscreen. I'll be tearing out these connectors at once
CRTs have many other benefits that I will enjoy with the highest quality signals possible.
If you actually go through with your little fantasy scheme, my hat goes off to the guy that gets a CRT from you, solders on a new connector and flips the set for massive profits.
You're no better than the scalpers you detest. In fact, you're worse. At least scalpers sell an intact product.
>falling for bait
NGMI
>In fact, you're worse
For lowering the inflated value of a product (that the seller always acquires for free lol) and instead getting it in the hands of people who actually have a use case for it?
Yes. They don't make CRTs anymore and you're destroying part of them.
And I don't like how that part of them has affected the market for CRT's. If you want your fancy ports then continue paying the dickhead premium prices.
I'd much rather do that than support your misguided vendetta.
Then there is no harm; you will maintain the current bubble and I will throw away sets to people who actually like playing games
Some of those people might want to upgrade to sets that have their ports intact. You're just destroying history because you have a hate boner for people who can appreciate it.
>might want to upgrade
Then they can do what you do and condone a bubble by paying moronic prices
You're gonna make the bubble worse then by driving up the price of intact CRTs. How do you feel about that? If you take satisfaction in that, then go frick yourself.
The bubble for component/SCART sets? Not my problem as I only care about composite lol
What countries are you from where there's "CRT scalpers"? Where I'm from you get everything that isnt a studio monitor either for free or for below 10 bux.
In Brisbane you can pay $100 for a mono composite-only piece of shit
>australia
There's a reason they shipped your ancestors off to Black person island.
But you guys scalping each other for what is considered junk in the rest of the world doesn't count.
In europe you can get mid 90s trinitron for free.
If you throw tantrums about people "scalping" crt make sure to add the disclaimer that youre ausfalian.
I always hear yanks complain about scalpers though. I guess there's no room for scalping in Europe when your 3x3 metre apartment prevents you from having any inventory
People in europe scalp different stuff. There's a bunch of mentally ill hoarders in germany buying up every retro game on european ebay below a certain price thershold only to re-list them for 10x the price after having scalped them.
But since germany is huge and most german families had several tv sets over the last 50 years there's hundereds of thousands of used CRT flying around that nobody wants or needs, so you tend to get them really cheap. Even rare ones like late era widescreen CRT.
To normies that stuff is junk and for some reason most german retro gamers would rather buy a $200 frame meister to hook their retro consoles to a shitty subpar LCD screen than to drive 10 minutes to get a free CRT.
since after the 10 min drive that TV doesn't survived it and I can drive it right back and get my money back but wait a sec...
Recently I got an old korean crt for free from some farm close to my place. Thought I had it secured firmly but it totally fell over at a speedbump.
Still works fine though.
I'm only using that component for 6th and 7th gen man, this thing has S-video and I don't use it.
What year do you think it presently is? People too broke for kids are not the ones driving a collector market anyways.
I would absolutely take a bunch of defaced Black person carts for just-to-play use. I usually just get the worst condition carts if multiple are for sale for that reason and if the price drop is a noticeable amount, plus those carts no one wants gets to be reused atleast.
Good plan, Black folk stop me from buying retro games, especially when I see their brown hand in the ebay picture.
>I didn't tear the label a bit to make a legible "Chrono Black person"
You're an absolute failure. Might as well an hero.
That's way too much work humoring some moron that needs to play on AUTHENTIC ROM for some reason. It's not like it has some enhancement chip
>That's way too much work
People do it on bathroom stalls for free. I don't think it's too much to ask.
>But as far as I know, he still has the game and couldn't sell it if he wanted to.
He absolutely could. Either by ripping off the label (cart is still very valuable without it), using the dry-erase marker trick, using careful application of acetone, or by simply marking out the word with additional sharpie usage.
A defaced Chrono Trigger cart is still worth a lot of money.
I'm pretty sure it already has, anyone with interest in actually playing older games just emulates them now.
personally i do enjoy collecting older media surrounding video games like art books, old game store advertisements etc.
i feel like you can realistically have one expensive collecting based hobby and not be a s0iboy still.
anons I'm new here but have been a retro gamer for awhile but I it's like your speaking a different language
flashcart? oed?.backups?.AES? I just wanna play old games and grill for fricks sake
Flashcart = Flash cartridge. Multiple games flashed onto one cartridge.
ODE = Optical drive emulator. Something you can replace your disc-based system drive with.
Backups = ROMs/ISOs
AES = Neo Geo Advanced Entertainment System. It was the consolized version of the Neo Geo arcade system. You could buy this for home use and it played cartridges.
>Multiple games flashed onto one cartridge
More specifically you put games on an SD card and put the SD card in the flashcart. Similar deal for ODEs
>More specifically you put games on an SD card and put the SD card in the flashcart. Similar deal for ODEs
Depends on the cart, some of the earlier/cheaper ones, or ones for very old systems, had to be flashed with a game and just directly booted into that one game with no menu. Changing games meant having to re-flash it. The latest example of something like that I can think of is the 3-in-1 GBA cart. While it was meant to be used as a companion to DS flashcarts on a DS, you could still flash a single GBA game to it with a DS and then play it on a GBA.
I guess one advantage of such a cart was that it appears as the actual game to anything you plug it into for anything that could link up with a GBA game, so you would for example be able to import pokemon from a GBA title to a DS one as if it was a real GBA Pokemon cart.
There were standalone GBA flash cards even back in the day - the M3 and SuperCard were probably the best ones but they were quite expensive at around $40-$60 in 2005/2006 iirc. And you usually could only order them from shady Chinese online retailers.
They also had some compatibility problems. A few games never worked and most games you wanted to patch them before putting them on the card. Flash memory had subtle differences in access speed back then that fricked up GBA games.
I owned a SuperCard for GBA myself
Flashcart = Generic term children use for pretty much any reprogrammable cartridge emulator
>More specifically
No. One type of something is not "more specifically" the thing it's a type of. Birds are not "more specifically" penguins.
That started even before you started gulping tidepods
https://playclassic.games/games/snes-games/
Now begone, lumox
Describe exactly what it is you want to do, and we'll provide the most efficient solution. What kind of games? Console? Arcade? Any systems in mind? If you just want "all games," of course it's going to be confusing, you need a goal in mind.
When our generation starts to die off.
Don't worry, I saw a YouTube video about how a the same copy of a Mario game that literally sold for millions got re-listed and "only" went for a few hundred thousand the next time! So clearly the bubble has burst! Hurray!
i wish i was the israelite that thought up game grading, what a fricking scam
Damn,son. I got this for free along with a bunch of other games with my Saturn i got for 20 burgerbux.
Explain to me why I should play the Saturn version of 8 over the PS1 ver besides halfassed Cut Man and Wood Man fights
Saturn has a better controller. I played mega man 8 on my Saturn just this year, with the help of a psk cart and a cdr of course.
I could see a panic crash for disc-based consoles if disc rot becomes a real and pervasive issue, but I don't think quality control was so universally bad that we'd see something like that.
But in general, owning the game is not required to play the game. People buy them when they think the price reflects the value of owning the physical object. If you DON'T see that value, then you can and should just emulate or use a flash cart.
>But in general, owning the game is not required to play the game. People buy them when they think the price reflects the value of owning the physical object. If you DON'T see that value, then you can and should just emulate or use a flash cart.
This. I buy games and I emulate both, but outside of truly stupid shit like paying a grand for a single game entombed in acryllic, I respect people who have games they either like or are interested in enough to purchase. I've spent a reasonable amount this year on used games, including two grails that I've wanted for a long time and managed to get respectively cheap copies of.
tl;dr
Play games or emulate or buy - do whatever you want, just try not to be a stupid c**t and stir shit up if you disagree with others choices. Unless those choices involve buying graded games or sealed games that shit on a shelf and are never played.
Disc rot scare was a meme from people living in sweltering shithole lands and some moron poking their head on a laserdisc forum + misidentified actual physical top damage to discs as "rot".
Disc rot isn't real
The trick is to buy slightly obscure games that will inevitably get blown up by some youtuber before it's too late. I recommend Shadow of Destiny it's still fairly cheap and I guarantee within this decade it's going to surge in price after someone big covers it.
It's actually a very caring effort since it gets more composite-ready sets out there for people who actually want to play games. Due to the fricked up CRT market I had to be really patient to get my current set, and I wouldn't want other honest players to have to wait like I did. We all know RGBgays don't actually like playing games as they're the audiophiles of gaming, and they'll be happy to paypig for SCART no matter how expensive because consoomers are price-inelastic. I have no business sympathising with such people, so you would have to convince me that this is somehow bad for composite users.
>I had to be really patient to get my current set
In fact, I had to get it from another city.
Collecting game cartridges I can understand, but optical discs? They are so fragile and flimsy and you can just burn them on your computer.
Old carts can be pretty frail too. I've had famicom games crack on me in the mail as ewell as those disc pegs inside of duel cases for the saturn
just pirate everything; sega saturn mod is 1 wire
When boomllennials run out of disposable income.
Im loaning this thread to ask a question. Is there somekind of wiki/library that would show the official releases of games? I am looking to buy SNES games but I don't want a repro game. I want the real deal but I don't know what the official carts look like for some of the games
Never. Production will never resume for old games. They are finite and slowly degrading and being destroyed over time, as well as being added to the collections of people with no intent to sell them.
And also resellers buying hundreds of copies to hike up the price.
The over-saturation of retro gaming content creators on YouTube looking for the next obscure title to cover, thus creating a frenzy. Adding to an already overly-inflated bubble.
>Never. Production will never resume for old games.
Disagree. Chances are always increasing these days that new production runs will come out since there seems to be a trend towards returning to physical, even if it's only a niche. Massive corporations agreeing to start reprinting vinyl wholesale in retail locations is something people would say would never happen again. Does that mean it'll happen for us? Maybe not. But I longer believe it's impossible.
Nintendo is never going to reprint SNES carts. Sony is never going to reprint PSX discs. Big companies don't want you to own anything. That "trend" is only small indie companies relying on nostalgia and novelty to make a few extra sales.
And even if by some miracle this all changed, there would still be completely different markets for "new" versions and originals. Next you might say:
>but who cares if it's original or not as long as it's playable?
If you don't care you just emulate or use an everdrive. People interested in collecting old games and systems now will still prefer the originals over reprints, and those prices will not change.
>Massive corporations agreeing to start reprinting vinyl wholesale in retail locations is something people would say would never happen again.
Completely different industries, and retro/physical obsession has been a part of gaming for longer than music.
>If you don't care you just emulate or use an everdrive. People interested in collecting old games and systems now will still prefer the originals over reprints, and those prices will not change.
I mean, you can say all the same arguments about music. All the people listening to Spotify and streaming are also the ones buying vinyl too, I don't think people are married to one idea or the other, people like to have options. I think if someone did, it doesn't have to be Nintendo, it would sell well because there clearly is a demand there.
Stop focusing on people. What people want doesn't matter. Companies don't care.
>I think if someone did, it doesn't have to be Nintendo
You seem to have forgotten what the subject here is.
Yet record companies are the ones reproducing vinyls. Curious.
Many games already cost far cheaper than when they were new. In a way it is worth to buy these games, my reason.
>be neet
able to spend time going to garage sales and happen to have a stack of the games that become valuable
>spend time increasing you wage
missed out on those cool deals but now earns a decent amount of money so can easily afford those overpriced games.
Atari is reprinting new carts, you never know what could happen. I think the market is missing a gb sizing gaming device.
Guess it depends on what area you are in, in a different area of Australia I found some crt's on the lawn but left 1 because it was too big for me. Almost 2 weeks later I decide to see if someone took it and no one did so I got it. I think in some areas you could try to give away a working crt and no one would take it. In my time talking with retro gamers I have never known a single one who owned a crt and when I bring it up even to retro games they act like owning a crt is such an unusual thing to do.
It's especially bad in Brisbane because half the population are NSW expats and they didn't bring their CRT's with them
>Guess it depends on what area you are in, in a different area of Australia I found some crt's on the lawn but left 1 because it was too big for me. Almost 2 weeks later I decide to see if someone took it and no one did so I got it. I think in some areas you could try to give away a working crt and no one would take it.
> In my time talking with retro gamers I have never known a single one who owned a crt and when I bring it up even to retro games they act like owning a crt is such an unusual thing to do.
Kinda confirms my theory that most Australians are fricking stupid.
crts are cool but keeping a big box that displays in a tiny resolution just to play games that play fine on an lcd is kinda weird tbf. for the average tv user, an lcd is a direct upgrade.
mono composite only, but i got mine off the side of the road. i guess it just depends where you are.
t. moreton bay
what is it about australia that makes people seethe so much?
You're either bad at games or exclusively play casual baby shit.
How did you come to this conclusion
Because you clearly don't know shit about input delay.
>crts are cool but keeping a big box that displays in a tiny resolution just to play games that play fine on an lcd is kinda weird tbf. for the average tv user, an lcd is a direct upgrade.
If that's your mindset why even look for original hardware and not emulate instead?
Kinda dumb to use original hardware on display devices that weren't designed to display them. Might as well get an Emulator with a proper shader
>just to play games that play fine on an lcd
ignorant casual
Fake news with the advent of runhead. The lag will be identical.
But I wasn't only referring to the input lag.
Playing /vr/ games on an LCD with no shader is just completely butchering the image.
It looks fine.
ignorant casuals
Looks fine to me too. Input lag is definitely a concern though.
>Many games already cost far cheaper than when they were new
What a fricking joke of an argument:
>"Hey, these used 20-40 year old games and equipment cost less than they did if you were buying them brand new 20-40 years ago when they were the latest and brand new releases"
That's more mental gymnastics than actual gymnastics in Winter Games. Imagine acting as if it's perfectly fine if used VCRs were commonly $200+ because they cost more back when they were new.
>Production will never resume for old games.
>Has already resumed for some old game
brainlet
Indie slop getting physical carts isn't going to make the retro bubble burst, you pedantic child.
Being ignorant and projecting isn't going to convince anyone you're not a stupid little child.
You're so right anon great argument. We just need enough fat indie devs to make gay little JRPGs and print them on Sega Genesis carts and all those Nintendo games on eBay will plummet in price!
Why are you still coping with this strawman bullshit? Are you literally moronic? The only one talking about indie games is you. And the voices in your head.
LOL I sold megaman x4-x5-x6 for 15$ each about two years ago, was planning on selling MM8 (with manual) and in great condition for $30
Is anyone buying for those inflated prices?
That's the bigger question.
I suspect some nerds just put their entire collection on ebay for insane prices for the off-chance some sucker is gonna bite.
Right after cryptoscammers all go default
So never.
At t his point it just sort of seems like some kind of bizarre ouroboros where the retro industry keeps itself alive. Scalpers buying and selling to other scalpers. There are times when I'm tempted to unload some of my collection but I know it would just be back on ebay a week after they get it with a marked up price. Which really shouldn't bother me as much as it does but I don't need the cash that badly either.
>Scalpers buying and selling to other scalpers.
That's greater fool theory.
When game companies start doing reprints of older games and consoles like they do with comic books. Which will never happen because it's easier and cheaper to just release "remastered" ports or ROMs running on a shitty emulator wrapper for every new console gen.
>older games
This does happen to be fair
>consoles
Pretty unlikely even if they wanted to - a lot of the parts are simply not made anymore. The manufacturing tech for making them might not even exist anymore. They'd have to do FPGAs.
Older comics are still high in price even with reprints. Cope.
The comic market is almost 100 percent manipulated shit by heritage auctions. It's the same kinda money laundering/pyramid scheme shit that "one Million Dollar Mario 64" was.
Putting aside the collectors market for a minute, comics are at least thankfully in a better position to where people are still able to at least READ them. Even outside "alternative methods" a fan of comics can largely get a good chunk of the material collected in omnibus or TPB format and companies will let you access their back catalogues via stuff like the marvel app. Video game companies seem almost allergic to the idea of putting a large chink of their past libraries up online or in modern release collections.
my pal copies are still dirt cheap 🙂
every year i buy a handful of ps1 games for 5€ each
50
I don't even care about not having them myself anymore. I just can't help but wonder who this hobby is even for anymore. The people buying and selling are so divorced from the actual player base that it feels alien.
Reject orthodox retro gaming, and sold out mega corporations, embrace emulation and keep your games alive with the power of digital necromancy
and all the romhacks and translations too =)
It's not that I don't like having things. I'll always prefer a physical copy but there's a limit to how moronic these things get. Simply put, NO GAME, is worth a thousand bucks. Not my favorite. Not your favorite. And I'm not about to "SUPPORT" some scumbag scalper who just wants a house payment for a mediocre retro game.
Zommers either don't care about retro games or pirate and emulate the games.If you need to mock younger generation for coping then you are extremely pathetic.
Again, you're moronic. It's the Johnny come late zoomers complaining about these prices when they look to buy this shit. Millenials mostly have what they already want or got it early.
Do zoomers even have the disposable income for this type of shit? I thought it was almost exclusively zoyface tech worker millennials on the west coast
>zoyface tech worker millennials on the west coast
These are the homosexuals who happily, pay the high prices or already have them and then show them off, they dont complain about the market.
It's the collectard wannabes trying to enter it now that its bloated complaining about the prices because they're forced to pay much higher costs to get in now.
Ah gotcha, I wasnt the original anon you were responding to but makes sense, we basically agree
>It's the collectard wannabes trying to enter it now that its bloated complaining about the prices because they're forced to pay much higher costs to get in now.
The "collectard wannabes trying to enter it now" think these are sane prices because "retro is expensive." They don't know that games are 10 or 100 times more expensive than they used to be.
Even a Walmart greeter can afford retro games. It's "expensive" for low income people.
No, the people driving the prices are the upper Middle class millennial dads who owned a super Nintendo 30 years ago who during a skibidi toilet YouTube marathon with their son got redirected to some "retro investor " video and decided they now got a new "geek" hobby other than Lego Investments and Funko pops.
>Even a Walmart greeter can afford retro games.
If they live with their parents, yes. But if you're trying to pay for an apartment, food, gas and insurance, then you'll at least need a job that pays $30 an hour, good luck getting that without a college education.
Good luck getting that WITH a college education, the economy is fricked
>a job that pays $30 an hour, good luck getting that without a college education.
I dont know where you live but here plenty of jobs pay around that that dont require college education,stuff like welder or working in construction usually pays very well and its always in demand.
Probably a European, so all of those jobs are Union with government-set wages.
The mistake a lot of you dweebs are making is getting upset over someone asking for 900 bux for his shitty mega man game.
Try listing the "sold" mega man games on ebay and see for how much they really go.
There's some clown for every game who tries his luck by putting shit in for $2k buy it now, not indicative of real prices.
The real price isn't much better at half a grand but just look at the price vs the ps1 version of the game!
Saturn version is significantly more rare and has exclusive content not available in other versions. The Mega Man 8 that's available everywhere is the PS1 version, making it significantly less interesting.
not until the retro collectors start getting robbed
when the millenials start dying they will be like all the old ladies with fine china its going to be dumped because its worthless trash when they die
Will those games even work at that time?
Video games are interactive and a large valued part of our culture. You worthless tableware is worthless. Very poor comparison.
At best, it will be when bitrot happens.
But let's be real for a second, collectors don't play their shit anyways, so even if carts turn into paperweights and CDs into drink coasters, the price isn't falling down.
I often feel like there's a very real possibility that people who buy slabbed and boarded collectibles are really just paying for a empty box. For all we know that slabbed copy of RARE SATURN game might have nothing or some other shit in the box. They're not gonna open it to double check.
Just learn basic Japanese and buy used legit copies of games online for cheap. For some reason only western games are valued high but Japanese games/consoles are cheap as shit
Not really the case anymore now that westerners have caught on, Japanse games are still cheaper for the most part but they're not what I would call dirt cheap.
It's crazy that people keep repeating this lie, it hasn't been true for at least ten years lol
If he just wants to play games why is he a "starting collector" ?
It already did, prices fell by like 90%.
Teach me. Show me.
These things were selling for hundreds of thousands not long ago, now they're down to thousands. It's still a lot, but that's still an extreme drop off from the peak.
Nobody here cares about graded trash. We're talking about plain old games.
cartriges/discs are just a lower tier of graded copies, because they are still only packaging for ROMs. They are no longer needed to access ROMs and play games. Save them for orgs that actually do need legit copies.
I've seen many 30 year old cd's banged up and scratched up flopping around in the back of a vehicle and none of them have any disc rot.
That could be luck or the effect being slow, but I don't mean small surface scratches which can be polished off to make the disc cleanly readable again, I mean like gouges down into the layers which compromise the whole disc.
Disc rot happens when the layers aren't properly bonded and sealed, which would only happen if the disc was not manufactured correctly to begin with, or if the disc had been subjected to some sort of serious physical damage.
There's plenty of old discs which were manufactured properly and which have surface damage like that, but which aren't compromised and not about to rot. Some of those can be restored with polishing.
It's likely not ever going to burst but I don't think prices are going to continue escalating much further. Many zoomers coming of age now never even grew up with a CRT display or any physical media so they have no nostalgic attachment to real hardware outside a superficial appreciation of "muh aesthetics." Meanwhile more and more retro gaming enthusiasts are losing interest in collecting and will often offload their games on eBay or whatever after getting their hands on flashcards and ODE's.
I could see more expensive games dropping in price, since I feel like there's a significant amount of investors to actual gamers in that market, though I feel like the price floor for cheaper games will be permanently raised.
Yeah I can't actually see the bubble ever bursting in any significant way, I would assume physical deterioration would claim all these games and their cases long before any kind of market bubble for something with a finite supply would burst.
People say that about every bubble.
It will go down as there are only so many idiots wanting to play pass the overpriced item game.
Just because there aren’t many of something doesn’t mean it will stay fashionable or trendy forever.
My copy of Daytona isn't feeling so good bros...
Those are just compression holes. They make the data load faster. Perfectly normal.
Lost over $1k since last month. It has been dropping from its all time high quickly. At that rate, in just under 80 more months, prices should reach 0.
That's only 6 years, not bad.
it already has
people who got scammed into buying video games as investments have lost hundreds of thousands on some individual graded copies
none of this matters if you just want to play the game instead of fetishizing the packaging you little pissbaby
How do you "lose" hundereds of thousands of dollars on videogames?
With 100k you couldn't only get most consoles with a complete library but also a few choice arcade machines to round off the collection.
>How do you "lose" hundereds of thousands of dollars on videogames?
The people who bought into the speculative market via various graded auctions. Ebay's still a shit show but the morons who spent hundreds of thousands on heritage are absolutely eating it now.
How did these people blow so much money on graded copies of Mario 64 lmao how is this real?
I have no idea honestly. You'd think anyone with that much money to burn would know a thing or two about how to use it better.
Spoiler: it's money laundering for high-end criminals. Same reason artworks go for hundreds of thousands.
>burst
not like they're discovering hidden storehouses full of pristine retro games
The problem isn't that they don't have stock the problem is that, well simply put, nobody fricking wants the damn things. You can pay out the ass for any game you want but it doesn't have value because you spent a lot and market the price up. Nobody wants them. Nobody wants to buy overpriced saturn game #78979. Nobody cares about mint in box Nintendo title that got a youtube video.
Wasn't it discovered a few years ago that somebody found an old box full of new copies of some rare expensive game and collectors basically forced/bribed/something along those lines for that person not to let people know or sell them so their own old copies of that rotting plastic would not go down in price? I forgot if they made him not sell them at all or very slowly trickle them out.
just wait until they find out that I have 8 boxes full of unopened copies of Frogger for the atari 2600
>wannabe investorgays boiling because they didn't get in on the ground floor with the smarter investorgays
Every single one of you are identical to the gays buying games for $500. The only difference is you're too poor to afford the games now.
Every day I am glad that the only physical games I buy are the ones I wanted to have as a kid but didn't get to play, and everything else I just emulate.
>900 donalds
>inferior us versions without ELECTRICAL COMMUNICATIO 引き裂かれてる IMAGINATION
actual scam
Shut up.
My copy of Megaman 8 was significantly cheaper.
>Not trying to shittily draw the logo of the game
Soulless.
Once disc rot settles in the games will be mostly worthless.
but bro, disc rot isn't real. everything else is effected by the cruel decay of time, but not my cherished childhood video games.
Ohime Heirukihiya Imatrani 3 was never one of your childhood games.
The PlayStation version is literally like thirty dollars
>mfw i emulate and it makes resellers mald
Physical media is bloat. I'm in it for the games and ONLY the games.
right on broski
I emulate and buy the games I like.
The seller knows there is only ONE person out there that wants this. They have to charge 900 CAD because this shit isn't going to sell for years.
Cause and effect backwards there. In most cases there would be more buyers if they weren't selling for 1000 bucks
No, you don't understand, I do this for a living. Not with /vr/, but if I found a nice deal maybe. Anyway, the longer you are going to sit on an item, the more you have to [over]charge for it.
They're only selling one.
Why it should? The more time goes, the less original disks or cartridges left. If you want to play just buy a reproduction, a bootleg copy, run a rom on ode or an emulator