Armageddon was perfect, all you could do afterwards is further polish and content like World Party. If they kept releasing Worms 2 based games they would have made way more money. Even today people are more hyped about Armageddon updates than anything else.
Once you are in that position you can make spinoffs like any big franchise to try something different and see if it sticks, but the 2D formula should have been left as is.
they kept trying to reinvent the wheel rather than trying to recapture the lightning in a bottle that armageddon was. they never truly understood what made people like armageddon in the first place. we don't need 3d, we don't need vehicular combat, we don't need hats or classes or dynamic water physics.
Just tile TF2, you don't need to make anything bigger, just make the experience funnier. I remember changing the original audio files so the worms would cuss or say anything in me or my friends voices.
Team17 released the same game (on PC, at least) 4 times: >Worms 2 >Worms Armageddon >Worms World Party >Worms Reloaded
Exactly the same engine, mechanics, gameplay, but no "crossplay", so it diluted the player base across all these games for no reason other than money.
By the way, Worms 2 had a built-in weapon editor that allowed you to tweak the shit out of the game, allowing for almost endless custom game modes (picrel).
And now there's Worms: WMD with the shitty vehicles, and the game still can't handle Windows display scaling.
People love to suck the weapon editor's dick but honestly it gets boring after a couple minutes, after making each bullet of a minigun being nukes you kinda saw everything and you just want to play an actual match of worms.
People love to suck the weapon editor's dick but honestly it gets boring after a couple minutes, after making each bullet of a minigun being nukes you kinda saw everything and you just want to play an actual match of worms.
Honestly there's no good reason to remove it from Armageddon after it was in 2. I don't understand why they would. I just want to change small things and I can't and it's so annoying.
>Especially since you know, mayhem comes with the worms 3d campaign and maps now
unless something has changed in the past 10 years no it doesn't. it has a couple of 3D's campaign maps but IIRC even the ones that are there aren't perfect recreations. also completely different game physics so the game feels different. also different music. missing all of 3D's non-campaign maps. just a completely different game.
they added some non-campaign worms 3d maps later in an update but not all, kino king kong map is missing for example
there is this, though https://www.moddb.com/mods/mmp
>World Party being too much of an insubstantial update, leading people to believe the series has already peaked >3D failing to convert people >Reloaded having worse engine and less content than 2/Armageddon
People just stopped paying attention after that. I've heard Revolution and W.M.D. genuinely tried to shake the formula up, but people just don't care, I can't even say I played these myself.
>worms 1
revolutionary for the time, but it shows its age >worms 2
peak of the series, it literaly didnt get better than this >armageddon
is literaly 2 but it runs in modern systems >world party
never played, >3d
fantastic missions that had multiple objectives each >4 mayhen
more worms per stage and costumizable weapons >reloaded
it had cool costumization for the worms thenselves from 4 but in 2d with lots of free dlc for it >REVOLUTION
the water system is a good idea. >clan wars
it fixed 90% of the problems revolution had >wmd
the vehicle idea is fantastic, but they nerfed the movement a little too much to make the vehicles more usefull
They already achieved perfection with Armageddon and just kept making the same game over and over again but it got slightly worse each time. The same thing happened with the 3D games, where they just kept releasing Worms 3D over and over again until not even the hardcore fans cared anymore.
How about a game where the worms are confronted with war by a brand new character type, the ants? The worms are British coded and the ants are stand-ins for Germans. They would have their own advantages and disadvantages in movement and have their own unique weapons.
Team17 has no idea what to do with the series
They never got what made Armageddon work so well so they keep trying a new idea instead of trying to add more on top of a solid base
I also think 3D worms still has potential to be very good but it's much harder to make it work physics wise and map design is much harder too. I think the backlash to 3D worms back in the day was too harsh and Team17 should have just kept trying to improve the base of Worms 3D instead of changing everything in the subsequent 3D games
Like most of the stuff only kids can enjoy, due to nothing else available and the degeneracy of school it would be replaced when other simplistic stuff for kids was on offer. People who enjoyed it missed out on better things and have no sense of adventure or problem solving.
Not enough Worms
It peaked.
Something went wrong? I've been under the impression it's had the exact same level of popularity that it acquired from it's first entry.
It's hard to improve on its basic formula in a way that appeals to modern audiences that are used to arcadey bullshit like COD
Also, what is everyone's favorite Worms weapon? Mine is the Holy Hand Grenade
The pope
>It's hard to improve on its basic formula
Bomberman suffers from the same thing, yet whoever has owned the publishing keeps churning out games.
The Bomberman adventure games are fricken cool though, how would you enjoy a Worms adventure game? Either a solo worm or you make a crew of 4?
>whoever has owned the publishing
Konami.
Yeah but Hudson was mostly making trash before they went bankrupt.
>Also, what is everyone's favorite Worms weapon?
Banana Bomb, short fuse, throw directly upward
All they needed to do was just re release armageddon with a lobby system that doesn't require you to hack in the pentagon.
whenner
They kept making the same game and when that stopped working they tried making worse games.
Armageddon was perfect, all you could do afterwards is further polish and content like World Party. If they kept releasing Worms 2 based games they would have made way more money. Even today people are more hyped about Armageddon updates than anything else.
Once you are in that position you can make spinoffs like any big franchise to try something different and see if it sticks, but the 2D formula should have been left as is.
Armageddon is TOO perfect, there is just no way of improving on the formula, it's the Smash Melee of Worms.
they kept trying to reinvent the wheel rather than trying to recapture the lightning in a bottle that armageddon was. they never truly understood what made people like armageddon in the first place. we don't need 3d, we don't need vehicular combat, we don't need hats or classes or dynamic water physics.
Worms 3D is pure soul though.
it's good but it's not as good as 2d.
The problem with worms 3d is that it was way too easy to knock worms into the water
I never played the 2D ones but I had plenty of fun with 3D as a kid. Felt like it had a lot of effort put into it.
Just tile TF2, you don't need to make anything bigger, just make the experience funnier. I remember changing the original audio files so the worms would cuss or say anything in me or my friends voices.
>peaked on armageddon
>the good devs left
>team17 are just a bunch of hacks now
>they changed focus to publisher work
even if they hire some third party dev to make a new worms, it will be hard to top armageddon
Peaked at Armageddon then just re-released itself with side grade features.
There really wasnt much to improve upon.
Ok but what about Worms Armageddon.
With unlockable hats
It's called WMD
WMD gameplay and physics suck. I don't want to craft shit or use vehicles, I just want Armageddon but personalized.
>unlockable
frick off
They do need to update Armageddon so that you can upload your own little hat textures for your worms. I'd sooner have hats than the flags or graves.
They made a borderline perfect version 20+ years ago, so there wasn't really anywhere else to go with it.
WMD is decent but it's basically armageddon part 259082345 like every single other anon already said
Have you seen how fricking expensive the games on steam are? Unless they are on sale, its a frickin JOKE
I just play Armageddon. There is no need for any of the other ones.
bad rope physics and lack of customization, project x for armageddon never ever
What 's your opinion on the one where you had to build fortress to advance.
I really liked it tbh.
I bought it but didn't understand the mechanics as a child tbh.
Worms 4 Mayhem and its random map generator will always be my favorite.
Team17 released the same game (on PC, at least) 4 times:
>Worms 2
>Worms Armageddon
>Worms World Party
>Worms Reloaded
Exactly the same engine, mechanics, gameplay, but no "crossplay", so it diluted the player base across all these games for no reason other than money.
By the way, Worms 2 had a built-in weapon editor that allowed you to tweak the shit out of the game, allowing for almost endless custom game modes (picrel).
And now there's Worms: WMD with the shitty vehicles, and the game still can't handle Windows display scaling.
People love to suck the weapon editor's dick but honestly it gets boring after a couple minutes, after making each bullet of a minigun being nukes you kinda saw everything and you just want to play an actual match of worms.
World Reloaded is on a completely different engine and physics are not the same at all.
And it's also the worst fricking Worms of all, I don't get how people can defend that shit with its lack of content, mobile-tier UI and awful physics.
Worms Reloaded controls like shit
Honestly there's no good reason to remove it from Armageddon after it was in 2. I don't understand why they would. I just want to change small things and I can't and it's so annoying.
Forts was ok
Why aren't Worms 3D and Worms Forts on steam?
Worms Ultimate Mayhem is kind of the replacement of 3D, idk about Forts tho.
>Worms Ultimate Mayhem is kind of the replacement of 3D
it's an entirely different game
Not to be an butthole, but how?
Especially since you know, mayhem comes with the worms 3d campaign and maps now.
>Especially since you know, mayhem comes with the worms 3d campaign and maps now
unless something has changed in the past 10 years no it doesn't. it has a couple of 3D's campaign maps but IIRC even the ones that are there aren't perfect recreations. also completely different game physics so the game feels different. also different music. missing all of 3D's non-campaign maps. just a completely different game.
they added some non-campaign worms 3d maps later in an update but not all, kino king kong map is missing for example
there is this, though https://www.moddb.com/mods/mmp
Just gimme Forts 2 but with
>Waaay more weapons
>More buildings
>Slightly larger maps
I really respect what they did with worms 3d but the game is too slow compared to armageddon.
>World Party being too much of an insubstantial update, leading people to believe the series has already peaked
>3D failing to convert people
>Reloaded having worse engine and less content than 2/Armageddon
People just stopped paying attention after that. I've heard Revolution and W.M.D. genuinely tried to shake the formula up, but people just don't care, I can't even say I played these myself.
Everything is alright, armageddon multiplayer is working.
they slowed the movement of the worms too much on the newer games
other than that WMD might be one of the best worms games ever made,
Tell me, who doesn’t know a thing about worms, what’s the best thing about each game in the series? I’ll do a series run for each one so tell me
>worms 1
revolutionary for the time, but it shows its age
>worms 2
peak of the series, it literaly didnt get better than this
>armageddon
is literaly 2 but it runs in modern systems
>world party
never played,
>3d
fantastic missions that had multiple objectives each
>4 mayhen
more worms per stage and costumizable weapons
>reloaded
it had cool costumization for the worms thenselves from 4 but in 2d with lots of free dlc for it
>REVOLUTION
the water system is a good idea.
>clan wars
it fixed 90% of the problems revolution had
>wmd
the vehicle idea is fantastic, but they nerfed the movement a little too much to make the vehicles more usefull
You forgot Worms Forts Under Siege
armageddon is too perfect so no need for other ones
same with f-zero GX
armaggeddon is just worms 2 whit the cool costumization removed
Armageddon exists and you don't need anything else
Post your favorite Worm webm/moment
dumping some maps I made for armageddon (they are all very big)
"Random shit put together" are both the worst and best maps at the same time.
It's simply too much fun.
where the frick is spikeman
They already achieved perfection with Armageddon and just kept making the same game over and over again but it got slightly worse each time. The same thing happened with the 3D games, where they just kept releasing Worms 3D over and over again until not even the hardcore fans cared anymore.
how do you follow up the best game of all time?
How about a game where the worms are confronted with war by a brand new character type, the ants? The worms are British coded and the ants are stand-ins for Germans. They would have their own advantages and disadvantages in movement and have their own unique weapons.
Team17 has no idea what to do with the series
They never got what made Armageddon work so well so they keep trying a new idea instead of trying to add more on top of a solid base
I also think 3D worms still has potential to be very good but it's much harder to make it work physics wise and map design is much harder too. I think the backlash to 3D worms back in the day was too harsh and Team17 should have just kept trying to improve the base of Worms 3D instead of changing everything in the subsequent 3D games
Like most of the stuff only kids can enjoy, due to nothing else available and the degeneracy of school it would be replaced when other simplistic stuff for kids was on offer. People who enjoyed it missed out on better things and have no sense of adventure or problem solving.
hey buddy I think you got the wrong door
no he just forgot to take his meds
Going 3D was the logical route after perfecting 2D but they didn't quite pull off 3D so they went back to 2D but had nothing to add.
They should try 3D again, I think. Technology is there for some real nice terrain destruction physics. A sequel to Forts would be neat as well.
They tried to make a fortnite game instead of more fricking worms.