>11 degrees mean 11 degrees in real life!!!
Or maybe, just maybe, it's a different unit of measurement?
Why would a space colony that's survived for centuries still adopt to earth customs.
Its just as moronic as playing a sci fi game in some remote part of the galaxy and the characters start talking about months and days.
How long is a day? How long is a month? Why would people use earth day measurements on planets where a full rotation around the sun will almost definitely be different to that of earth?
Why not? Metric's distances are based on the circumference of Earth. Shouldn't it be per-planet, even if we still called it "Metric?" Like, "A day is as long as a day is," on any planet but not all days will be 24 hours. A "meter" shouldn't be the same if the circumference of the planet is different.
>shouldn't it be per planet
no? that would make communicating data between planets and civilizations needlessly complex. There would need to some standard units set.
>shouldn't it be per planet
no? that would make communicating data between planets and civilizations needlessly complex. There would need to some standard units set.
Yes there is. 1 meter is 1 meter regardless of where you do the measuring. You don't need earth to measure a meter. You just need any object and use the already defined distance of what a meter is. Why would anyone arbitrarily "scale" an established measuring distance because they're on a different planet? That shit makes no sense
11 months ago
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And what if we don't have access to a lab where we can create a vacuum and have access to the tools necessary to measure the distance that light travels in 1/299792458 of a second
11 months ago
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You don't need a lab. You just need something you already know the length of. If you bought a ruler with you, or a just a pen you know is a certain length, then you can measure in meters, as long as you already know the metric system. The same is true with literally any other sort of measuring system
>Why not? Metric's distances are based on the circumference of Earth.
American education. All metric units are based on universal constant. The meter is always the same in the entire universe.
To quote > The current definition was adopted in 1983 and modified slightly in 2002 to clarify that the metre is a measure of proper length. From 1983 until 2019, the metre was formally defined as the length of the path travelled by light in a vacuum in 1/299792458 of a second. After the 2019 redefinition of the SI base units, this definition was rephrased to include the definition of a second in terms of the caesium frequency ΔνCs.
Retroactively defining something in terms of moronic fractions of constants to force them to conform to pre-existing arbitrary definitions (like one-forty-millionth of the latitudinal circumference of the Earth as measured on a line through Paris) doesn't suddenly make them "based on universal constants". If I define an inch to be the distance that light travels in 1/11802195208 of a decay of seaborgium-263 it doesn't magically make the inch any less arbitrary.
If you want a truly universally-based measurement system you need to simultaneously select immutable constants that yield practical scales without also being ridiculously obscure or convoluted - which people much smarter than you or I have tried unsuccessfully to do for decades.
How do you know how many temperatures are 11 below Boiling Water? What if -11 is what you would call 45F? Evey unit between 45 and 212 would be "15.18" temperatures.
-11 F is pretty cold but not inhospitable
-11 C is warmer than -11 F, it's fairly code but not inhospitable
-11 K is impossible; Absolute Zero is 0 K but if it is possible in Todd's universe then everything is dead
>to regular life
to regular life >to regular life
to regular life >to regular life
to regular life >to regular life
to regular life
READ, Black person. REGULAR LIFE DOES NOT INCLUDE EXTREME CASES. IF THAT WERE THE CASE, ANTARCTICA WOULD BE """HOSPITABLE""" TO COMMON LIFE
>No you fricking moron, plants don't auto-wither when the temperature goes to -1ºC.
No, but they do die off and if it's consistently in minus degrees, plants rarely grow at all.
And the plants normally die out in the coldest season, no? Unless you're going to die on the hill that some random alien planet is FULL of evergreen plantation?
Measurements now are based on atomic constants. Any sufficiently advanced alien civilizations that may be out there are almost certainly using the exact same units of measurement we use today, so humans using something else in a couple of years is just silly.
i mean if the planet has different atmospheric pressure it does makes sense that water freezes at different temperatures even if it's celsius. it doesn't have to have oxygen either since there are different ways to get energy for trees
I don't think I'm willing to waste time on these homosexuals, I'd rather have my time doing something else and play the game and have fun when it releases.
This game will be a fricking theme park with nothing in it.
Look at the numbers for flora and fauna on that screenshot. 3 plants on the planet?
Ferns and spruce in space? How imaginative.
Will every planet have earth-like conditions? One biome per planet? Will they even have poles?
Bethesda really shot themselves in the foot with this blunder. Wow. I can't imagine how many people will refund once they catch wind of this. Just utterly tactless and incompetent on their part.
It looks like regular planets have around double the amount of fauna and flora based on what I saw in the direct, but I really fricking hope we won't see the same fauna and flora on different planets too much.
>theme park
This is the most peak Ganker buzzword I've seen in a while, like nu-fun.
People keep using it and saying it's a bad thing but never explain why it's bad. Having things to look at while you play your game is kind of important.
The environments and interactive elements in the game seem devoid of interconnected systems, lone islands of activities you visit to do the thing and move on. Theme park rides.
I'm not asking for simulated atmospheres but at least put some effort into the façade being believable and immersive. It would be better if the just left the oxygen & temperature meters out rather than faking them without any thought put into how.
It looks to me much like the same old fallout with a new paint job, ie new theme for the same old rides. I hope I'm wrong
It would take one competent person a single day to go through the list of habitual planets and adjust the values to be more accurate, because they're seemingly independent of everything. It's a nonissue that will probably be patched on release.
The oxygen and temperature meters have regular gameplay considerations. Just cause there's some scientific mistakes on a couple planets doesn't mean the whole system should be wiped.
>No fire in 0% oxygen would be neat
Oh frick I didn't even think of that. That really would be a good feature.
The main parts I've seen in how planet features impact the player are the environmental hazards. Space suits have stats for how well they protect you against temperature, corrosive, airborne, and radiation. Oxygen determines whether you have to wear a helmet or not, naturally, and I also hope that oxygen percentage impacts the speed of stamina regen.
11 months ago
Anonymous
this was already in borderlands tps on a much smaller budget yet somehow more competent dev team
11 months ago
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Dead Space also had it. Now that I think more on it there's no excuse not to have the feature since they're already putting in gameplay considerations for microgravity. It just slipped my mind cause it's a feature about the lack of something rather than adding in something visible you can see in the showcase.
theme park design is the opposite term of the pretentious gaylord "immersive sim" >bad game design >locations in the world exist in separate bubbles with no impact relation or context that binds them together into a cohesive whole >mechanics exist as rigid solutions to preset "puzzles" with no room for experimentation
>"muh can't quickloot armors" >"muh grip bug" >"muh no hammers" >"muh woke censorship" >"muh temperature" >tfw the past 24 hours has been filled to the brim with some of the most rabid Gankertards trying to find something bad about the Starfield direct and this is all they could come up with
what compels "people" to throw this much of a temper tantrum over a game that isn't even out yet?
That is the least dumb part about the game, the atmosphere of Mars is only 0.13% oxygen yet it has blue sunsets because of Mie scattering where the atmospheric particulate size is similar to the wavelength of the incoming light
>what compels "people" to throw this much of a temper tantrum over a game that isn't even out yet?
The hype shilling when the whole gaming community/culture clearly knows better
They know better because it's guaranteed to be shit. Just like it's guaranteed that me hitting a toddler with my ford bronco at 95 mph is guaranteed to kill it.
It's guaranteed because of Bethesdas past games. Look at fallout 3 which crashes when you do anything. Look at Skyrim which had quests that were impossible to complete because of a bug. Look at fallout 4 which combined both issues. Look at 76 which uses the same engine as starfield and is literally malware.
11 months ago
Anonymous
My mistake, I thought you were a real person and not a moronic snoy who doesn't even understand what an engine is. Carry on whining.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>You must love Sony, that's the only reason you could possibly hate a Bethesda game.
Imagine reaching this hard for straws to grasp. I envy the blissful ignorance of a betheshill.
11 months ago
Anonymous
No, the only reason you hate Bethesda is cause you played the games on a weak console that couldn't handle them. From Fallout 3 to Skyrim to Fallout 4, it was Playstation's failure. My own experience of the games are nothing like what you describe. Posting jaks just further solidifies my understanding that you're a subhuman snoy.
11 months ago
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>Weak console
The PS3&4 were more powerful, Sony is just moronic and made them hard as frick to code for. That's why the PS3 was a suboptimal gaming machine for non exclusives.
The PS4 was better about it, but they still were morons that made it hard to code for. In the end I still bought the PS4 because I wasn't supporting Microsoft plans for the Xbox.
I then switched to PC which is what I've been playing Bethesda games on. >My experiences of the games are different to yours, so therefore you are a liar.
Ah, so since you aren't missing a leg it must be impossible, huh?
11 months ago
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>My experiences of the games are different to yours, so therefore you are a liar.
Exactly right, when you try to profess what the average gamer thinks it should line up with my experience as an average gamer. My main bad experience with Bethesda was New Vegas constantly crashing.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>My main issue with Bethesda was new Vegas crashing
That's an obsidian game, and as such isn't relevant. >Exactly right
Glad I found the redditor.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>That's an obsidian game, and as such isn't relevant.
Exactly right again, you're getting good at this.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>Let me bring up irrelevant games and act like a genius when someone calls me out for it.
You are truly a redditor. Only one of them could think of something so moronic.
11 months ago
Anonymous
An Xbox or PC doesn't unfrick FO3/4's dog ass world building and poor storytelling. Or reintroduce RPG mechanics in the case of 4.
11 months ago
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>No, the only reason you hate Bethesda is cause you played the games on a weak console that couldn't handle them. From Fallout 3 to Skyrim to Fallout 4, it was Playstation's failure.
The Playstaion 3 had hardware that was comparable and even some slightly better to what the Xbox 360 had. It was just a question of optimization being harder on the PS triple. You don't know what you're talking about
11 months ago
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>Irrelevant comment >Irrelevant comment >Snide remark
So did the game run worse on ps3 or 360?
11 months ago
Anonymous
>So did the game run worse on ps3 or 360?
It ran worse on PS3, but that had nothing to do with weak hardware. The PS3 could handle the game as well as the 360 could, but Bethesda didn't have the means/the will to optimize it.
>It was just a question of optimization being harder on the PS triple
Meaning it was a weaker console. Xbox could handle Bethesda games with a regular amount of work, PS3 couldn't. If Playstation cared about their paypigs they would've built the console better.
If that's how you want to define weakness, sure. I just wanted to make it clear that the hardware's power wasn't the issue
11 months ago
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>It was just a question of optimization being harder on the PS triple
Meaning it was a weaker console. Xbox could handle Bethesda games with a regular amount of work, PS3 couldn't. If Playstation cared about their paypigs they would've built the console better.
>the whole gaming community/culture clearly knows better
they clearly don't, you're an idiot, look at the bethesdrones in this thread right now. They are the majority. Gamers are cattle, consoomers. The game will sell millions. Likely already did.
>Genuinely bad
You mean like fallout 76 which was literally malware on everything it got released for? That game bricked consoles. Do you know how hard it is to brick a console?
And guess what? Starfield is going to use the exact same engine with little to no big testing.
It wasn't a B team, it was a studio they recently acquired, renamed, and forced to do impossible shit. The reason 76 is broken is the reason NV is broken: Bethesda Maryland rushing the shit out of the game.
11 months ago
Anonymous
That's kind of what a B-team is.
11 months ago
Anonymous
I'd say a b-team is in the same studio (Bethesda Austin is a different studio then Bethesda Maryland), but it doesn't matter, and my point about them both being broken still stands. The only difference is that NV had its story and arsenal to carry it, while 76 has bad multiplayer.
So id and zenimax also made this game? iron galaxy? blindlight?
11 months ago
Anonymous
you have right
fallout 76 was written by original fallout 2 vnan bourne writer
11 months ago
Anonymous
The higher ups are naturally going to be credited even if they do nothing.
Like how Gabe Newell is credited in all of Valve's games despite just sitting in his office collecting knives and playing DOTA all day.
11 months ago
Anonymous
If you're the executive producer and you greenlit the release of F76 you bear no responsibility?
11 months ago
Anonymous
The idealized world you seem to think you live in is not the one that you actually live in.
11 months ago
Anonymous
What exactly is idealized about anything I'm saying?
11 months ago
Anonymous
Nothing, but betheshills grasp at any straws they can
11 months ago
Anonymous
OBSIDIAN TARDS CAN ONLY CREATE LIES
their games are all inferior and can only cry about it
11 months ago
Anonymous
Nothing, but betheshills grasp at any straws they can
The idea that a CEO is ever responsible for shit. They'll blame the studio and move on.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Realistically if you're the exec prod of something and your product is in the state that fallout 76 was in and you're making $1,000,000 annual salary you are going to bear some responsibility
11 months ago
Anonymous
Weren't some of these people in the Starfield direct? Lmao.
11 months ago
Anonymous
this is why fallout76 has god tier epxloration and the best character of all fallout series MODUS
11 months ago
Anonymous
hahahahaha SHE'S FRICKING BACK
Preordered my space watch already
11 months ago
Anonymous
Bethesda got the idea of a space game after the entire dev team got caught in her orbit
tortanicgays are desperate for a win
the least they could do is wait for it to be closer to when something people are playing is out, like any of those events where they invite people to play the game and all the bugs start popping up
No, I'm not.
I'm saying that the player is in an area where it's -11 and 0%, and their handy-dandy spacesuit is probably spending resources to keep them alive at a comfortable temperature.
Most people can't even comprehend space or other worlds, devs included. It's like in that new star trek movie how Spock on some random ice world outside his home planets solar system could some how witness Vulcan being destroyed, or how in the new Star Wars movie people could see lasers destroying different planets literally light years away from eachother...
Really tough question, I typically sort them into genres. >First person shooter
Classic Doom 1&2 >Turn based rpg
Might be earthbound. >Puzzle game
Legend of Zelda: A link to the past >Racing game
Road rash, simply because you can knock a person off their bike and watch a car hit them. >Action RPG
Probably Kingdom hearts 2
Need more?
Hmm, if only there was a name for a genre that combines the exploration and journey parts of the game (perhaps, call it something like an "adventure"?) with various combat mechanics and puzzles (or "action" dare I call it that way)... What if was called "action-adventure?
Nah, that sounds stupid, no such genre exists
Guess you were right, it IS a puzzle game after all
11 months ago
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>Action adventure
That's not a genre and you know it, you lead munching downie.
11 months ago
Anonymous
What makes you say that?
11 months ago
Anonymous
Action adventure is about as much a genre as walking simulator. You don't hear someone say "man I really like Action Adventure, games." They're two different types of gameplay, and I still wouldn't say "action" or "adventure" are genres, but rather something to tag your game with.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Maybe you're right, but then what overall genre would you put something like the original God of War games in?
11 months ago
Anonymous
yeah, because calling Zelda a puzzle game is that much better you fricking knuckle drugging extra chromosome having troglodyte
have a nice day but unironically
>Skyrim didn't have attributes so its no longer "allowed" for any title other than Fallout.
Brilliant
11 months ago
Anonymous
Do they ever add shit back after removing it from something? If I'm wrong I'm wrong, but Bethesda likes taking the RP out of RPG.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Typically no but they did bring back the character zoom screen during dialogue like oblivion/fallout3 and that wasnt in skyrim
11 months ago
Anonymous
That's not as big as Attributes, Skills, Traits, and power attack variants.
11 months ago
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>not as big
Lmao okay I'll try to think of something really really BIG for you despite you not even asking for it
Stay pinned to this thread, anon
11 months ago
Anonymous
nta If you want help, you can say Todd's technically bought back something akin to 'classes' (backgrounds) even though he removed them from Skyrim as well. I wasn't expecting that
Whether that means attributes will return, who's to say, but it's unlikely
11 months ago
Anonymous
>Zooming in on a characters face is as big an element to the game as having stats that influence how you can interact with the world.
Ah yes, that's why I didn't notice the zoom in on characters faces in FO4 being restored, but I immediately noticed the skills being gone.
Cry about it, betheshill.
11 months ago
Anonymous
That wasn't in F4 they ripped of the witcher 3's dialogue camera. How am I a betheshill again?
It's beyond jarring that such flora looks like regular from earth despite being in different conditions and considering that plants and wildlife have and develop certain characteristics for a reason. But seeing that biology is now subjective, I don't see what's the issues
Fallout 3 and Skyrim are unironically good games, not great but good, and they had great worlds to explore. FO4 and 76 were anus but I unironically believe starfield will be full of soul. Its Todd's magnum opus and despite what most people will have you believe he has made very few lies about his games. Even if its not good I think it will be fun
No it can't, it becomes vapor at a low enough pressure to prevent ice at -11C (also that pressure is too low to maintain an atmosphere). Only way to get liquid water at -11C is to have extremely high pressure, beyond 1000 bar.
Have they even shown any sort of ice world biome? It'd be funny if they didn't exist at all and the only planets are either forested and barren rocky wastelands.
>11 degrees mean 11 degrees in real life!!!
Or maybe, just maybe, it's a different unit of measurement?
Why would a space colony that's survived for centuries still adopt to earth customs.
Its just as moronic as playing a sci fi game in some remote part of the galaxy and the characters start talking about months and days.
How long is a day? How long is a month? Why would people use earth day measurements on planets where a full rotation around the sun will almost definitely be different to that of earth?
Days and months will change with space travel but not units of measurements in the metric system. You must be american.
Why not? Metric's distances are based on the circumference of Earth. Shouldn't it be per-planet, even if we still called it "Metric?" Like, "A day is as long as a day is," on any planet but not all days will be 24 hours. A "meter" shouldn't be the same if the circumference of the planet is different.
>shouldn't it be per planet
no? that would make communicating data between planets and civilizations needlessly complex. There would need to some standard units set.
So there is no universal way to define "Meter," if we do not have access to Earth to measure it.
Dumbest fricks I've seen today
Yes there is. 1 meter is 1 meter regardless of where you do the measuring. You don't need earth to measure a meter. You just need any object and use the already defined distance of what a meter is. Why would anyone arbitrarily "scale" an established measuring distance because they're on a different planet? That shit makes no sense
And what if we don't have access to a lab where we can create a vacuum and have access to the tools necessary to measure the distance that light travels in 1/299792458 of a second
You don't need a lab. You just need something you already know the length of. If you bought a ruler with you, or a just a pen you know is a certain length, then you can measure in meters, as long as you already know the metric system. The same is true with literally any other sort of measuring system
>Why not? Metric's distances are based on the circumference of Earth.
American education. All metric units are based on universal constant. The meter is always the same in the entire universe.
To quote
> The current definition was adopted in 1983 and modified slightly in 2002 to clarify that the metre is a measure of proper length. From 1983 until 2019, the metre was formally defined as the length of the path travelled by light in a vacuum in 1/299792458 of a second. After the 2019 redefinition of the SI base units, this definition was rephrased to include the definition of a second in terms of the caesium frequency ΔνCs.
Giving them too much credit.
and what if there's no cesium? what do we do then?
Use Ligmas at the standard conversion of 4 Ligmas per gram of Cesium.
What is that in Sugmas?
1 Sugma is 10 Ligmas. 10 Sugmas is a Coom.
Is that a metric Coom or an Imperial Coom?
Imperial Cooms are only used to measure brown women
Retroactively defining something in terms of moronic fractions of constants to force them to conform to pre-existing arbitrary definitions (like one-forty-millionth of the latitudinal circumference of the Earth as measured on a line through Paris) doesn't suddenly make them "based on universal constants". If I define an inch to be the distance that light travels in 1/11802195208 of a decay of seaborgium-263 it doesn't magically make the inch any less arbitrary.
If you want a truly universally-based measurement system you need to simultaneously select immutable constants that yield practical scales without also being ridiculously obscure or convoluted - which people much smarter than you or I have tried unsuccessfully to do for decades.
All measurement systems are arbitrary, are you going to ask God what one unit of distance is equal to in his universe builder?
The point wasnt if it was or wasnt arbitrary, its that the unit is the same in the whole universe. You want consistency, the fraction matters not.
Even if the meter's definition wasn't changed back in the 60s it would still be dependent on the circumference of the Earth and not any other planet.
Wouldn't a minus denote the temperature would be inhospitable to regular life like plants, regardless of what temperature measurement is being used?
What if 0 is boiling?
>What if 0 is boiling?
So a few degrees lower than boiling would still be hospitable? You're fricking moronic.
How do you know how many temperatures are 11 below Boiling Water? What if -11 is what you would call 45F? Evey unit between 45 and 212 would be "15.18" temperatures.
-11 F is pretty cold but not inhospitable
-11 C is warmer than -11 F, it's fairly code but not inhospitable
-11 K is impossible; Absolute Zero is 0 K but if it is possible in Todd's universe then everything is dead
>to regular life
to regular life
>to regular life
to regular life
>to regular life
to regular life
>to regular life
to regular life
READ, Black person. REGULAR LIFE DOES NOT INCLUDE EXTREME CASES. IF THAT WERE THE CASE, ANTARCTICA WOULD BE """HOSPITABLE""" TO COMMON LIFE
No you fricking moron, plants don't auto-wither when the temperature goes to -1ºC.
Never write in this board again
>No you fricking moron, plants don't auto-wither when the temperature goes to -1ºC.
No, but they do die off and if it's consistently in minus degrees, plants rarely grow at all.
Seasons are a thing that exist
And the plants normally die out in the coldest season, no? Unless you're going to die on the hill that some random alien planet is FULL of evergreen plantation?
Ahh yes the temperature is -11 bligols
Cant wait for Todd to teach everyone the new Science and math of starfield!
It's a Bethesda game, they didn't think of any of that during world building or if they did, it was not implemented.
>Or maybe, just maybe
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Measurements now are based on atomic constants. Any sufficiently advanced alien civilizations that may be out there are almost certainly using the exact same units of measurement we use today, so humans using something else in a couple of years is just silly.
Starfield doesn't have alien species with human intellect. Try again sweaty.
I don’t mean in Starfield, I mean IRL.
Since when has Bethesda ever tried to emulate real life?
There are no known intelligent species anywhere in the universe
The odds are in their favor.
what about earth?
oh right
The entire plot revolves around alien artifacts you really think its not the big payoff in this game
>Or maybe, just maybe
stopped reading right there, go back to twitter and have a nice day
> earth customs
> water and its freezing temp
yea, future humans switched to drinking ethanol apparently
i mean if the planet has different atmospheric pressure it does makes sense that water freezes at different temperatures even if it's celsius. it doesn't have to have oxygen either since there are different ways to get energy for trees
peak mutt post right there
If they didn't want you to interpret it as degrees, they should've used a different symbol
>Or maybe, just maybe
Goddamn you triggered a ton of morons with that maybe, just maybe. I'll need to keep that one in the pocket for later.
>implying that was C
MERICA
This game, it's developers, and it's fans are all pathetic
Someone please make a compilation of these gays attacking this game. I cant wait until you all get btfo on release
I don't think I'm willing to waste time on these homosexuals, I'd rather have my time doing something else and play the game and have fun when it releases.
It's actually -11 De.
I rather not let Bethesda implement a cold system.
Skyrim SE cold mechanic was fricking terrible.
Atmospheric pressure as well as chemical composition will dictate if it's snowy or frosty, you dumb frick.
>Muricans baiting euros just by existing
lol
What did you expect? Europe hasn't been in the spotlight since they helped to pioneer rock and eurodance
This game will be a fricking theme park with nothing in it.
Look at the numbers for flora and fauna on that screenshot. 3 plants on the planet?
Ferns and spruce in space? How imaginative.
Will every planet have earth-like conditions? One biome per planet? Will they even have poles?
>Will every planet have earth-like conditions? One biome per planet? Will they even have poles?
Why not actually watch the direct, moron
>planet
its a moon dumbass
Meaningless distinction when it's large enough to reach hydrostatic equilibrium and support advanced life.
Bethesda really shot themselves in the foot with this blunder. Wow. I can't imagine how many people will refund once they catch wind of this. Just utterly tactless and incompetent on their part.
It looks like regular planets have around double the amount of fauna and flora based on what I saw in the direct, but I really fricking hope we won't see the same fauna and flora on different planets too much.
>theme park
This is the most peak Ganker buzzword I've seen in a while, like nu-fun.
People keep using it and saying it's a bad thing but never explain why it's bad. Having things to look at while you play your game is kind of important.
It's mostly used negatively but in reality it's not an indicator of good or bad.
The environments and interactive elements in the game seem devoid of interconnected systems, lone islands of activities you visit to do the thing and move on. Theme park rides.
I'm not asking for simulated atmospheres but at least put some effort into the façade being believable and immersive. It would be better if the just left the oxygen & temperature meters out rather than faking them without any thought put into how.
It looks to me much like the same old fallout with a new paint job, ie new theme for the same old rides. I hope I'm wrong
It would take one competent person a single day to go through the list of habitual planets and adjust the values to be more accurate, because they're seemingly independent of everything. It's a nonissue that will probably be patched on release.
The oxygen and temperature meters have regular gameplay considerations. Just cause there's some scientific mistakes on a couple planets doesn't mean the whole system should be wiped.
Cool, they do? Like what? No fire in 0% oxygen would be neat
>No fire in 0% oxygen would be neat
Oh frick I didn't even think of that. That really would be a good feature.
The main parts I've seen in how planet features impact the player are the environmental hazards. Space suits have stats for how well they protect you against temperature, corrosive, airborne, and radiation. Oxygen determines whether you have to wear a helmet or not, naturally, and I also hope that oxygen percentage impacts the speed of stamina regen.
this was already in borderlands tps on a much smaller budget yet somehow more competent dev team
Dead Space also had it. Now that I think more on it there's no excuse not to have the feature since they're already putting in gameplay considerations for microgravity. It just slipped my mind cause it's a feature about the lack of something rather than adding in something visible you can see in the showcase.
That's how most games are, but a game being labeled as "theme park" means that the game does a very poor job at hiding it.
theme park design is the opposite term of the pretentious gaylord "immersive sim"
>bad game design
>locations in the world exist in separate bubbles with no impact relation or context that binds them together into a cohesive whole
>mechanics exist as rigid solutions to preset "puzzles" with no room for experimentation
The biggest crime is how common the vegetation looks.
>gravity is half a g
>trees and bushes are still earth-like
REEEEEEEEEEE
>0% O2
What the frick are those plants breathing on?
Why are they green if there's no oxygen?
>"muh can't quickloot armors"
>"muh grip bug"
>"muh no hammers"
>"muh woke censorship"
>"muh temperature"
>tfw the past 24 hours has been filled to the brim with some of the most rabid Gankertards trying to find something bad about the Starfield direct and this is all they could come up with
what compels "people" to throw this much of a temper tantrum over a game that isn't even out yet?
people are just so pissed off these days. mad about everything all the time.
> We rendered our new lighting engine according the the makeup of each planet's atmosphere
>Blue sky
>0% oxygen
That is the least dumb part about the game, the atmosphere of Mars is only 0.13% oxygen yet it has blue sunsets because of Mie scattering where the atmospheric particulate size is similar to the wavelength of the incoming light
Kys
Show me how to do it first, brainlet.
There were literally several shots of planets with pink, orange (not at sunrise/set), and turquoise skies
Okay and? The OP screen shows 0% oxygen on the planet but the skies are blue
>He doesn't know
>le 21%
kys
Once again, you don't need oxygen to scatter blue light. I get why you're so worried about it after being deprived of it as a child, moron.
>what compels "people" to throw this much of a temper tantrum over a game that isn't even out yet?
The hype shilling when the whole gaming community/culture clearly knows better
>the whole gaming community/culture clearly knows better
They know better... because of nitpicks?
They know better because it's guaranteed to be shit. Just like it's guaranteed that me hitting a toddler with my ford bronco at 95 mph is guaranteed to kill it.
>it's guaranteed to be shit
...because of nitpicks? Ganker really is mindbroken by Todd.
>Can't even pilot your ship on planet or through space
>mindbroken by nitpicks
It's guaranteed because of Bethesdas past games. Look at fallout 3 which crashes when you do anything. Look at Skyrim which had quests that were impossible to complete because of a bug. Look at fallout 4 which combined both issues. Look at 76 which uses the same engine as starfield and is literally malware.
My mistake, I thought you were a real person and not a moronic snoy who doesn't even understand what an engine is. Carry on whining.
>You must love Sony, that's the only reason you could possibly hate a Bethesda game.
Imagine reaching this hard for straws to grasp. I envy the blissful ignorance of a betheshill.
No, the only reason you hate Bethesda is cause you played the games on a weak console that couldn't handle them. From Fallout 3 to Skyrim to Fallout 4, it was Playstation's failure. My own experience of the games are nothing like what you describe. Posting jaks just further solidifies my understanding that you're a subhuman snoy.
>Weak console
The PS3&4 were more powerful, Sony is just moronic and made them hard as frick to code for. That's why the PS3 was a suboptimal gaming machine for non exclusives.
The PS4 was better about it, but they still were morons that made it hard to code for. In the end I still bought the PS4 because I wasn't supporting Microsoft plans for the Xbox.
I then switched to PC which is what I've been playing Bethesda games on.
>My experiences of the games are different to yours, so therefore you are a liar.
Ah, so since you aren't missing a leg it must be impossible, huh?
>My experiences of the games are different to yours, so therefore you are a liar.
Exactly right, when you try to profess what the average gamer thinks it should line up with my experience as an average gamer. My main bad experience with Bethesda was New Vegas constantly crashing.
>My main issue with Bethesda was new Vegas crashing
That's an obsidian game, and as such isn't relevant.
>Exactly right
Glad I found the redditor.
>That's an obsidian game, and as such isn't relevant.
Exactly right again, you're getting good at this.
>Let me bring up irrelevant games and act like a genius when someone calls me out for it.
You are truly a redditor. Only one of them could think of something so moronic.
An Xbox or PC doesn't unfrick FO3/4's dog ass world building and poor storytelling. Or reintroduce RPG mechanics in the case of 4.
>No, the only reason you hate Bethesda is cause you played the games on a weak console that couldn't handle them. From Fallout 3 to Skyrim to Fallout 4, it was Playstation's failure.
The Playstaion 3 had hardware that was comparable and even some slightly better to what the Xbox 360 had. It was just a question of optimization being harder on the PS triple. You don't know what you're talking about
>Irrelevant comment
>Irrelevant comment
>Snide remark
So did the game run worse on ps3 or 360?
>So did the game run worse on ps3 or 360?
It ran worse on PS3, but that had nothing to do with weak hardware. The PS3 could handle the game as well as the 360 could, but Bethesda didn't have the means/the will to optimize it.
If that's how you want to define weakness, sure. I just wanted to make it clear that the hardware's power wasn't the issue
>It was just a question of optimization being harder on the PS triple
Meaning it was a weaker console. Xbox could handle Bethesda games with a regular amount of work, PS3 couldn't. If Playstation cared about their paypigs they would've built the console better.
>the whole gaming community/culture clearly knows better
LMAO you fricking moron.
>the whole gaming community/culture clearly knows better
they clearly don't, you're an idiot, look at the bethesdrones in this thread right now. They are the majority. Gamers are cattle, consoomers. The game will sell millions. Likely already did.
>Why are people saying this game is shit
It's a Bethesda game. It's guaranteed to be shit.
>t. underage who has never played a genuinely bad game in his life
>Genuinely bad
You mean like fallout 76 which was literally malware on everything it got released for? That game bricked consoles. Do you know how hard it is to brick a console?
And guess what? Starfield is going to use the exact same engine with little to no big testing.
>Starfield is going to use the exact same engine with little to no big testing
Why are devlets so quick to announce they don't know anything?
You do realize Fallout 76 was thrown together by Bethesda's B-team to put something out while the A-team works on Starfield, right?
It wasn't a B team, it was a studio they recently acquired, renamed, and forced to do impossible shit. The reason 76 is broken is the reason NV is broken: Bethesda Maryland rushing the shit out of the game.
That's kind of what a B-team is.
I'd say a b-team is in the same studio (Bethesda Austin is a different studio then Bethesda Maryland), but it doesn't matter, and my point about them both being broken still stands. The only difference is that NV had its story and arsenal to carry it, while 76 has bad multiplayer.
So id and zenimax also made this game? iron galaxy? blindlight?
you have right
fallout 76 was written by original fallout 2 vnan bourne writer
The higher ups are naturally going to be credited even if they do nothing.
Like how Gabe Newell is credited in all of Valve's games despite just sitting in his office collecting knives and playing DOTA all day.
If you're the executive producer and you greenlit the release of F76 you bear no responsibility?
The idealized world you seem to think you live in is not the one that you actually live in.
What exactly is idealized about anything I'm saying?
Nothing, but betheshills grasp at any straws they can
OBSIDIAN TARDS CAN ONLY CREATE LIES
their games are all inferior and can only cry about it
The idea that a CEO is ever responsible for shit. They'll blame the studio and move on.
Realistically if you're the exec prod of something and your product is in the state that fallout 76 was in and you're making $1,000,000 annual salary you are going to bear some responsibility
Weren't some of these people in the Starfield direct? Lmao.
this is why fallout76 has god tier epxloration and the best character of all fallout series MODUS
hahahahaha SHE'S FRICKING BACK
Preordered my space watch already
Bethesda got the idea of a space game after the entire dev team got caught in her orbit
TORtanic
BECAUSE ARE FANATICS
Look this garbage
praised before the launch as the second coming of gaming with not a single creitique by these fanatics
no one did that
everyone did tard
tortanicgays are desperate for a win
the least they could do is wait for it to be closer to when something people are playing is out, like any of those events where they invite people to play the game and all the bugs start popping up
>"muh no hammers"
This is a serious problem, homosexual!
>can't quickloot armors
>no hammers
I don't know which one is worse!
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Alien trees.
Don't need oxygen or heat.
Sorted.
Well? Why DID they add it to your hud if none of it was relevant? Didn't they add that shit to your star map or whatever?
Probably only pertains to the player and not the worlds.
So you're saying the player's temp has dropped -11 degrees and they have 0% oxygen?
No, I'm not.
I'm saying that the player is in an area where it's -11 and 0%, and their handy-dandy spacesuit is probably spending resources to keep them alive at a comfortable temperature.
Thats what everyone else is saying too... hence this entire thread
All of it is relevant to gameplay. If the temperature is too low or too high it becomes a hazard you need suit protection for.
Snoy seethe
Why did you screencap your own thread from yesterday?
I screencapped the pete hines meme dumbass
who says the plants are carbon based and use oxygen
maybe they are shitting out nitrogen or something else
Most people can't even comprehend space or other worlds, devs included. It's like in that new star trek movie how Spock on some random ice world outside his home planets solar system could some how witness Vulcan being destroyed, or how in the new Star Wars movie people could see lasers destroying different planets literally light years away from eachother...
JJ Abrams should never be allowed to touch another sci-fi screenplay again.
Technically no one can comprehend the immense distances between solar systems and honestly it's completely irrelevant.
>thinking -11° immediately means snow and ice
Lol what?
Only morons still buy Bethesda "games"
What does moron mean in your language?
Someone who buys Bethesda "games", licks batteries, and sticks their nipples in the toaster.
Completely random question but what's your favorite video game?
Really tough question, I typically sort them into genres.
>First person shooter
Classic Doom 1&2
>Turn based rpg
Might be earthbound.
>Puzzle game
Legend of Zelda: A link to the past
>Racing game
Road rash, simply because you can knock a person off their bike and watch a car hit them.
>Action RPG
Probably Kingdom hearts 2
Need more?
No, that's enough. Thank you.
game
>Legend of Zelda: A link to the past
kek
What else does it fit in?
Hmm, if only there was a name for a genre that combines the exploration and journey parts of the game (perhaps, call it something like an "adventure"?) with various combat mechanics and puzzles (or "action" dare I call it that way)... What if was called "action-adventure?
Nah, that sounds stupid, no such genre exists
Guess you were right, it IS a puzzle game after all
>Action adventure
That's not a genre and you know it, you lead munching downie.
What makes you say that?
Action adventure is about as much a genre as walking simulator. You don't hear someone say "man I really like Action Adventure, games." They're two different types of gameplay, and I still wouldn't say "action" or "adventure" are genres, but rather something to tag your game with.
Maybe you're right, but then what overall genre would you put something like the original God of War games in?
yeah, because calling Zelda a puzzle game is that much better you fricking knuckle drugging extra chromosome having troglodyte
have a nice day but unironically
*dragging, mistyped in my rage
NO OXYGEN NO SNOW OBSIDIAN homosexual
Starfield WILL be the game of the decade. Keep seething chud
What I really want to know is what features/mechanics that were in previous games will be absent in this one?
This one is going to be the first Starfield game so that's a difficult question to answer.
I'm trying to think of literally anything they can remove that isn't too stupid for them.
Power attacks with melee weapons?
Stats/attributes? I didn't see anything like strength agility intelligence etc. but I guess neither did Skyrim
No, fallout is the only game that's allowed to have attributes at this point. And that's only because S.P.E.C.I.A.L is a iconic thing at this point.
Wdym "allowed"? Every TES game up until Skyrim had them. It doesn't HAVE to have them but its a pretty well established staple of RPG's
Skyrim didn't have them, that's my point.
>Skyrim didn't have attributes so its no longer "allowed" for any title other than Fallout.
Brilliant
Do they ever add shit back after removing it from something? If I'm wrong I'm wrong, but Bethesda likes taking the RP out of RPG.
Typically no but they did bring back the character zoom screen during dialogue like oblivion/fallout3 and that wasnt in skyrim
That's not as big as Attributes, Skills, Traits, and power attack variants.
>not as big
Lmao okay I'll try to think of something really really BIG for you despite you not even asking for it
Stay pinned to this thread, anon
nta If you want help, you can say Todd's technically bought back something akin to 'classes' (backgrounds) even though he removed them from Skyrim as well. I wasn't expecting that
Whether that means attributes will return, who's to say, but it's unlikely
>Zooming in on a characters face is as big an element to the game as having stats that influence how you can interact with the world.
Ah yes, that's why I didn't notice the zoom in on characters faces in FO4 being restored, but I immediately noticed the skills being gone.
Cry about it, betheshill.
That wasn't in F4 they ripped of the witcher 3's dialogue camera. How am I a betheshill again?
It's spelled metre
>brit metre
>but not brit spelt
interesting
It's beyond jarring that such flora looks like regular from earth despite being in different conditions and considering that plants and wildlife have and develop certain characteristics for a reason. But seeing that biology is now subjective, I don't see what's the issues
Fallout 3 and Skyrim are unironically good games, not great but good, and they had great worlds to explore. FO4 and 76 were anus but I unironically believe starfield will be full of soul. Its Todd's magnum opus and despite what most people will have you believe he has made very few lies about his games. Even if its not good I think it will be fun
>Todd has made very few lies
He lies about literally every game. It's not every sentence, but he does it a lot.
>see that mountain you can climb it
was literally referring to the greybeards mountain the main quest takes you up
what have you got for radiant ai?
water can stay liquid at -11° if the atmospheric pressure is low enough
No it can't, it becomes vapor at a low enough pressure to prevent ice at -11C (also that pressure is too low to maintain an atmosphere). Only way to get liquid water at -11C is to have extremely high pressure, beyond 1000 bar.
I can't believe a blowup doll have more life in their eyes than any character in Starfield
Have they even shown any sort of ice world biome? It'd be funny if they didn't exist at all and the only planets are either forested and barren rocky wastelands.
Why would you want a space game to be realistic? Space fricking sucks, it's nothing but rock out there.
Some people seem to forget that it's Science Fiction.
-11° isn't even that cold
We reach that temperature multiple times through the winter here in Italy
> bragging about temp
we had -55 previous winter over here, get on my level
rookie numbers, it was -273.15 C at my place just yesterday
Which ugly shithole are you from
your moms balls.
Ganker b***hing about the smallest details, but they will among the first to play it.
Learn what?
I love all their games and it is very likely I will love this one too.
Die mad about it