When will the switch 2 release?
What will the price be?
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switch pro comes first
>switch pro comes first
>Pro model 7 years in
Give it up bro, the pro was a lie
>sell 133m units
>abandon the platform
Nah. Switch 2 is the Switch Pro. It will be like Game Boy Color, with many games being upgraded on Switch 2 but working fine on a Switch 1, yet there are also games exclusive to the Switch 2 (Zelda: Adventure of Linkle in 2030).
>Switch 2 is the Switch Pro.
Like how the PS2 is the PS1 pro?
No, like a Game Boy Color is a Game Boy Pro.
Like the PS5 is the PS4 Pro Pro, which is not a bad thing btw
So Switch pro is Switch pro since that's exactly what happened with every other pro platform.
GBC had a few games that couldn't work on GB, DSi has DSiware, and 3DS has exclusives that can't run on the normal DS like Isaac Rebirth.
You are talking about the same thing and calling it a successor name instead. That's moronic. Switch 2 will be another platform entirely like base Advance, DS, and 3DS were.
GBC was just a slightly more powerful GB, stop pretending it's a seperate system when they've never considered it such and anyone who knows what it is under the hood would never consider it such. Your headcanon doesn't mean anything.
You are saying a Switch pro will happen but are calling it Swtich 2 for no reason whatsoever, you moron.
>Give it up bro
For what purpose? It's still an option.
They aren't making a pro version of a console that devs can barely make games for the base version on. The successor will be backwards compatible though so games will run as though they were on a pro version.
Probably Q2 of next year at $399. If we're in the blessed timeline, metroid prime 4 will be a launch title.
prime 4 is already being teased. it's probably nintendo's holiday game this year. also nintendo already said it would be on switch. i would expect things like mario kart and 3d mario for switch 2 launch instead
The Pro is the OLED. They're not going to try and extend the life of Switch further when nearly everyone who wants one has one
they might, but if they did it would be by lowering the price and taking away features. think gameboy micro, wii mini, 2ds xl, ect. releasing a roku competitor that can play switch games would be really smart, especially if they could get it under $50
Lowering the price wouldn't do shit at this point. They've already attracted all the new customers possible with the 130m sales they've made. At this point they can only make sales by reselling the switch, at which point you may as well just make a new console. I'm sure the only reason we haven't seen the switch 2 is because they're waiting on parts/games to be ready. I'm sure they want to make sure they can be profitable at $400 and have a great lineup for the first 2 years.
130m? how many roku's are there? how many tv's are there? they could sell 500m if they expand their audience beyond people interested in mario and zelda. as long as they don't dump a bunch of resources into it it's worth a shot.
Kids will never be interested in a game console again because they can play minecraft, fortnite and among us on their mom's tablet for virtually no cost. Gen X/Boomers will never get into video games again unless it's a stupid fad like the Wii. The only audience to appeal to is 20-40 year olds and they've saturated that market.
it's not a gaming console, it's a roku that happens to also play switch games. it can also play minecraft, fortnite and among us for virtually no cost. maybe they can even rope some of the boomers and moms who buy it to watch netflix to sign up for nso
How long will people keep spouting this? Even since before the thing came out this exact same argument was being made, and it has been proven wrong year after year after year and the sales are still nowhere near stopping.
>OLED motherboard literally wired for 4K output
>OLED dock allows for 4k
>higher clock profiles in the firmware
Realistically, I don't think any of the games would have hit 4k, but I am curious why they didn't bother to let it be any different from the other models after making all of those changes
They probably had a stronger chip planned to DLSS upscale switch games to 4k without any other significant changes, but canceled it because of covid boosting demand and limiting supply.
I think the DLSS chip is for the next gen model and the OLED is literally the Switch Pro that was discussed and all of the news journalists and outlets mixed the two together. Like the OLED, despite having the same SoC as the V2 and Lite Mariko, is wired to the motherboard differently so that it can actually output 4k whereas the others can't.
A chip that could reasonably do DLSS would have to be significantly different from the one found in the current Switch models
Remember all those rumors about how a pro would come out two years ago? Remember how they mentioned an Oled screen? Remember the reports from last year stating the pro existed but got cancelled?
What are you even trying to say? I'm already agreeing that the OLED was the Pro, I'm just curious why they didn't follow through when they already made the hardware and had the firmware in place
Sorry, I spedread your post. The reason might just be as simple as securing the raw materials for mass chip production was not worth the inflated price due to the shortages, and called it quits when near the finish line. Really, I think it was the better outcome all things considered
I'm not sure I agree. All of the OLED models are all wired and ready to go right now. The only thing I can think of would be QA issues, but between a lot of games already supporting dynamic res, capped framerates and how a lot of the homebrew scene has already demonstrated, it doesn't seem like it'd be that much of a headache
What homebrew?
The switch still continues to be the number 1 selling console everywhere I think there's alot of people that still want one.
The OLED has no extra power or functionality. By this logic the Lite and the red box units are the Pro. But they're not.
The OLED is the equivalent of the XLs. Something that just modifies the screenage.
Switch 2, if Nintendo is smart, will be backwards compat and run Switch games better than the Switch itself, much like PS5/XSX with Gen 8 games. So a Pro at this point is unnecessary.
A Switch 2 is unnecessary. What will it do? Run PS4 ports? Animal Crossing?
Nintendo would be moronic to release a new-gen system. Switch is the best-selling console of all time. It’s a 10-year platform. I look forward to Zelda DLC next year.
>pro
It’s not a fricking cell phone you non-sentient moronic NOC
>now with the new pro model just like the xbox one x we'll advertise it'll still run on the original console when in reality it fricking won't at all
why do people want this shit just make a new console and just have it be backwards compatible
>When will the switch 2 release?
next year
>What will the price be?
$400
Thanks for the update
Reminder to always buy a console at launch to have the greatest chance of exploits working on it
only if it has games
Switch 2 probably wont be hackable. 90% of the time the hacks come from a web browser which is why they didn't make one this time. It was a miracle we got one on the switch anyway, from a really weird method of shorting out the pins in the joycon rail to enter dev mode.
Yeah I don't actually expect Switch 2 to be hackable since no exploits have been found for the revised Switch
But on the off chance that an exploit is found, a launch console should be guaranteed able to exploit it
>90% of the time the hacks come from a web browser which is why they didn't make one this time
They did though, and a future switch-like console likely will also have one.
I don't know why people keep parroting this. What the frick do you think the eShop is? How the frick do you think you log into accounts? How the frick do you think one of the simplest things to do was gain access to the internet as a whole at any time on the Switch? It has a browser, that's how.
Not allowing you to open it with a specific icon or allowing only certain domains like the one for the eShop (unless you change the DNS) doesn't mean it lacks one.
You literally wouldn't be able to access public wifi unless it had it because that's what the fricking pop up is too.
>its impossible to connect to wifi or display a store without a web browser
zoom zoom zomo
2025 or 2026 and it won't be Switch 2.
>When will the switch 2 release?
Probably in another 4 years.
>Probably in another 4 years.
Switch sales by year
2020: 28m
2021: 23m
2022: 18m
2023: on pace for 13-14m
Try to extrapolate that out and justify 4 years to me
Ever heard of software? The thing that actually makes money?
Not to mention it gives them time to sort out the real issue, battery life.
>Ever heard of software? The thing that actually makes money?
Unlike Sony and Microsoft, Nintendo makes about half their money from hardware. The only reason we aren't seeing a sharp drop in income right now is the Mario movie which is not sustainable.
>Nintendo makes about half their money from hardware.
They make less than a quarter of their annual income from hardware anon, more than half is software.
You need to understand that revenue and profit aren't the same thing.
>The only reason we aren't seeing a sharp drop in income right now is the Mario movie which is not sustainable.
Anon, they literally just released Zelda
It sold 10m in less than a week and their software tends to take up the majority of charts in Japan and at least two spots in Western charts purely because they don't share their digital numbers.
You need to look at the bigger picture here.
You're the one not looking at the bigger picture. Not only do they lose out on a shitload of money by not selling hardware, but their software sales are largely based on huge titles like Zelda/Mario/etc. Problem is they need to save these games for the next console. If they launch a 3D Mario game next year, then they wont have one ready for the next console for another 5-6 years. So you're basically arguing for a 2030 switch 2 release.
>Not only do they lose out on a shitload of money by not selling hardware,
Anon they would lose more money killing the momentum the switch still currently has prematurely.
>but their software sales are largely based on huge titles like Zelda/Mario/etc
Not really. They're definitely big players but remember this is Nintendo were talking about, because of the cost of their games barring Zelda they can profit on smaller titles that barely scratch 2m.
>Problem is they need to save these games for the next console.
Anon, these games, unless delayed, have a 2-3 year dev cycle usually 4 max unless something truly terrible happens. Reusing assets also cuts that time down dramatically. Not to mention they could also continue to make enhanced ports with new content.
>Anon, these games, unless delayed, have a 2-3 year dev cycle
What the frick are you talking about? It took them 3 years to make a remake (Mario Party Superstars). In no way are their big games on a 2-3 year dev cycle, especially heading into the next console where the quality of their assets is gonna have to go way up. Their bigger games are solidly 6 years now, and the smaller ones will be 3-4.
>It took them 3 years to make a remake (Mario Party Superstars). In no way are their big games on a 2-3 year dev cycle,
Anon, you literally picked a game that had a 3 year dev cycle.
>especially heading into the next console where the quality of their assets is gonna have to go way up
No, it won't. That's the benefit of making stylistic games over realistic ones.
>Their bigger games are solidly 6 years now
Let me guess, this is where you say totk took six years because it was originally envisioned as botw dlc during the ideas phase despite the fact that it went into full development at the beginning of 2019 and was confirmed to have been completed last year.
>massive covid boost for 2 and a half years
>slowly coming down to normal levels
The covid demand was gone by the start of 2022. Yet sales are still steadily dropping. It aint covid.
Plenty of people were getting free money forever anon. Free money that was supposed to be spent on living but was absolutely being spent on drugs, atvs, and entertainment instead.
2024: 10 million
2025: Switch 2 launches, Switch does 5 million
2026: Switch does 2 million
2027: Switch does 2 million
June 2024 release, reveal in January or February. New 3d Mario as launch title. Prove me wrong
>end of 2024.
Nintendo announces they're working on new hardware
>fall 2025 new hardware revealed
>spring 2026 new hardware released
That is a terrible plan. And judging by Nintendo's quick announcement to release sans Prime 4, I would summise that it will be released within three months after the initial reveal. Nintendo is most likely waiting for a series of components to reduce in price. Although others have alluded to a $400 USD price point, Nintendo would be far better positioned at $350.
$350 for a new console would be an insane price point. the current oled is $350. the inflation adjusted price of the current switch at launch is nearly $400. there is no way they could deliver a new console at $350 unless they either made serious compromises or took a heavy loss for each console sold.
I'll just say it right now, do not expect a price below $399.99.
What will it need to sell well?
>What will it need to sell well?
Games
If it has an open world 3D Mario and a really impressive Metroid Prime in the first year I think it sells 20m easy.
>Metroid Prime in the first year I think it sells 20m easy
Metroid will never hit that.
I meant the console.
They need something to rope in the core audience, Mario/Mario Kart for casuals.
>They need something to rope in the core audience
That would be Mario and Mario Kart.
A core focused game doesn't have to be something that leans on the serious side ultimately its all about what you can do and the level of interaction in games.
The "core" gamers who buy Mario games are people like you and me, the hardcore Nintendo fanbase. People who probably bought a Wii U, people who are deeply invested in these IPs. The broader core audience will need some big game like how the switch had BotW and I think Metroid Prime could be that game.
not launching it alongside botw 2 was probably a huge mistake. not sure what other title can generate as much hype as that game had.
mario kart
a new mario kart is not going to make people pay $400 or whatever for a new console.
maybe if it's really good
Open-world Mario Kart. Like Diddy Kong Racing meets Burnout Paradise, but bigger.
mario kart is the kinda game you buy when you already have the console and part of the reason the sales for it are so high is that it's the game they've bundled with the switch every black friday. totk is like the only game nintendo has where people will care about fidelity and graphics even if it's crossgen, if they do a crossgen mario that is not really going to move consoles when the player base is already accustomed to games being 30 fps. not making it crossgen is kinda suicide too because the switch has such a large user base.
that i can see working, actually. but it still depends on luck, the wii and ds had being a fad going for them and that moved a lot of units, it was incredibly hard to find ds lites and wii units for a while, and the switch was the same way thanks to the pandemic.
It’ll be a long time before a new version of the switch comes out. ToTK is very demanding game and it runs fine on the Switch. They know this. There’s no rush for a more powerful device right now. Even if they work out a deal with Microsoft for CoD, it’ll just be a cloud/streaming version like GoTG, Hitman 3, etc
>not launching it alongside botw 2 was probably a huge mistake. not sure what other title can generate as much hype as that game had.
I think a one two punch of open world 3D Mario for casuals and Metroid Prime 4 for core players would be enough to sell out the first year. Then the second year launch Smash and Pokemon and they're good to go at that point.
mario kart isn't a core game lmao it's by far the most casual title in nintendo's catalog
they just need to not go full moron and make a switch 2 with improved performance and retrocompatibility
doubt they're even able to do as much
good marketing
hall effect sticks
more comfortable joycons
enough power to play in 4K docked, 1080p handheld
the latest DLSS
$399 max, portable, Mario
Literally just more power and not calling it Swiitch U, that's all they need. Call it anything but Switch 2/Don't outright call it a successor and the future in marketing and they automatically frick everything up.
Being cheap and having games, ideally backwards compatibility.
Being more powerful than the switch would be a given
When MP4 comes out first.
>could be a switch 2 gam --
NO.
I'm certain it is. There's no other logical reason why they wouldn't even mention it by this point. They don't even need to show gameplay, just say they're still making the damn thing. But they say nothing. And they do that because they don't want people to feel like they were scammed when it turns out to be a switch 2 title.
Oh, no, a couple million nerds will be upset, but buy the game / Switch 2 anyway
>But they say nothing.
Anon, in most cases Nintendo only reveals a game a few months before they intend to release it.
It's not some kind of conspiracy or trick. In fact it's the opposite since they practically abhor hype culture and announcing games too early.
>Anon, in most cases Nintendo only reveals a game a few months before they intend to release it.
This is not true of their bigger games. I think the smallest reveal to release of one of their big budget titles was Smash, which was revealed like 8-9 months ahead of time. Usually it's at least a year.
>Usually it's at least a year.
Mario odyssey was about 10 months
Splatoon 2 was 7
Smash was 8
Splatoon 3 was 7
Maker 2 was 4
Metroid Dread was 4
Super Mario Party was 5
You get the picture. Unless a game is delayed they don't cross a year.
I'd be okay with MP4 being optimized for Switch 2 and the Switch version playing like shit.
It's gonna be called the Nintendo V (for five) because the main gimmick is the controller will come with 5G. Releases next year.
>Nintendo naming their console after a gimmick that every new smartphone has and is dependent on where you live
Dolphin Ultra is more likely
Sounds like something Nintendo would do.
Idk how long it will take, I'll just say, if the next nintendo console isn't backwards compatible it WILL flop, switch's legs are stupid good and with a price drop they'd only get stronger, they really need a big upgrade if they want people to care for a new console since there's no Zelda release to carry it this time
Nintendo traditionally grabs defeat from the jaws of victory. I’m thinking $399. It has fewer practical features than the current Switch, but it comes with a gimmick that no one asked for and it’s primarily responsible for the high price.
>and it’s primarily responsible for the high price.
For the record $400 would be the same price the switch released for due to inflation
I hope you got a 25% raise in the last 6 years.
Where the frick do you live and what is your job that you didn't get that?
It will beat the shit deck
The Steam Deck 2 will be able to emulate it.
Needs to stream video to the TV and use the console like a WiiU Gamepad.
Will get announced at some point this year, quite possibly after July unless they're feeling bold. It's gonna be $400+, do not expect any less.
>What will the price be?
around tree fiddy
Mario Kart 8 DLC ends at the end of 2023.
So I guess the Switch 2 will appear in 2024. But it won't be a very big jump, the battery is a bottleneck in these systems and if Nintendo decides to put in too much processing power it will inevitably frick with the battery. And Nintendo takes battery life seriously enough to underclock an already shitty system like the Switch, even when it's docked.
batteries are holding everything back so hard
Could a bigger battery be used at the cost of detachable controllers?
by the time the Nintendo Switch 2 will come out the retroid will be so powerful it can emulate all PS2 and gamecube games rendering the switch worthless forever
never buying nintendo consoles are again, they are all shit
Restarting the install base from 0 when they currently have 133 million is profoundly dumb in a world where technology doesn't really matter anymore. If the new platform failed, it would prematurely kill the Switch for nothing.
Nintendo should stay on the Switch. They should release TOTK DLC. They should release a sequel to Bowser's Fury. They should release Metroid Prime 4. All on the Switch.
And they should keep adding characters to Smash Bros Ultimate.
it's nice to think technology doesn't matter but in reality the switch needs to be replaced eventually. it's not getting any multiplats anymore besides indies. that's because technology does matter. nintendo could support it themselves for a while, maybe a few more years, but not indefinitely. if they could do that they would have stuck with the wii
MK1 just got announced for Switch even if I agree with your overall sentiment. Hardware isn't going to fix every missed 3rd party game.
yeah and it will be the worst version of that game. don't nintendo fans want to play games that aren't scaled down ports?
>don't nintendo fans want to play games that aren't scaled down ports?
I don't know how to make you understand that 133 million people aren't just a niche group of "Nintendo fans." MK1 will sell truckloads on Switch.
will it? usually these scaled down ports are the worst selling versions of their games
>will it?
It will.
>usually these scaled down ports are the worst selling versions of their games
And yet it will still be a truckload. 133 million Switch owners.
30 million PS5 owners but the ps5 version will still sell better. maybe proves that power does matter
MK11 was one of the top sellers on Switch and is consistently in the top 30 on the eshop. Multiple developers have come out and expressed how impressed they are when it turns out their games end up selling way, waay better than they expected on Switch. Monster Hunter Rise on Switch has sold more than all the other versions. Persona 5 royal sold best on the Switch when compared to PC, PS5 and Xbox. There's multiple examples, dude. With all that said, if a developer simply feels like not supporting Nintendo because they have a grudge (every single one, really) then no matter how powerful the system is, an excuse will be found to not support it.
MK11 arcade combat is 60fps, but Story mode barely reach 20fps
Look, it's time to accept that the only people who give a flying frick about framerates, resolutions, and the like are us. Compared to the rest of the world and regular consumers, we are the absolute minority. Why do you think MK1 is on Switch? Because 11 sold a shitload of copies despite being the worst version comparatively.
>it's not getting any multiplats anymore besides indies.
When was it getting any before? Very few big names like Skyrim and Witcher 3, whose ports were specially tailored for Switch anyway.
I returned my switch OLED because it couldn't play dragon quest XI S.
In handheld it was too blurry that I couldnt even make out detail on the characters faces, in docked mode it was pixelated and unplayable.
The trailer for the game is not ingame footage and or is most certainly upscaled or is software recorded.
It still sold 1M+ copies on Switch, 2 years after initial release on 3DS/PS4.
So glad you're here and not running Nintendo.
Why because you hate Nintendo?
The idea that the platform is super popular so Nintendo shouldn't abandon it is something Nintendo tried before, with the Wii. Even though it desperately needed a replacement in 2010, and certainly by 2011, Nintendo kept holding out because it was still doing well at the time and they didn't want to abandon the cash cow. Problem is, by the time they finally got around to replacing it, their audience had moved on to other platforms. The casual audience got into smart phones and tablets, and the core gamers got PS3s and 360s. By the time the Wii U launched, no one wanted it.
If they were to wait until 2025 or later the same thing would happen. By that time a lot of switch owners would buy a PS5 or an Xbox and wont want a switch 2.
After the support for Splatoon 3 ends, maybe a couple months after
The idea that Nintendo is planning for like 2026 for the switch 2 is just complete fricking nonsense if you look at the facts. Those being
1)Switch hardware sales are down a lot, and I mean a lot. They'll only sell like 7-8m next year.
2)Where the frick are the games? Nintendo has never had such a weak year of software on the switch. Usually a drought in software precedes a new console.
3)The Nvidia hack showed it using 2022 hardware. How outdated do you think this piece of shit is gonna be?
Stay seething snoy.
>Nintendo has never had such a weak year of software on the switch.
don't know what you're talking about, it's one of the strongest years of the system in terms of release
the weird thing is the second half is empty while the first half was full but then again nintendo do a lot of moronic things
>don't know what you're talking about, it's one of the strongest years of the system in terms of release
Big releases:
TotK
Small releases:
Pikmin, Fire Emblem
Dogshite:
Everyone's 1-2 switch
Find me a worse year
they've also released metroid prime remastered, advance wars and bayonetta origins
2019 and 2020 were significantly worse
Did any of those games sell even 2 million units to the 130 million switch owners?
who gives a frick, do you like playing vidya or just living vicariously through the amount of money your favorite giant corporation makes
Metroid and bayo crossed the million mark iirc, dunno about advance wars.
all 2018 had was kirby star allies and a bunch of ports. 2020 was animal crossing, mario, and ports. 2021 wasn't much better
>They'll only sell like 7-8m next year.
Double it.
>Nintendo has never had such a weak year of software on the switch.
Metroid
Zelda
Pikmin
+DLC for various titles
>How outdated do you think this piece of shit is gonna be?
Weak enough that it isn't worth doing a Switch 2. They need to wait for 3nm chips to become established. We're talking 4 years.
>According to Bloomberg (and Japan Times), the Switch's sales are slowing down faster than previously expected. And in a call after the results were published, Nintendo President Shuntaro Furukawa reportedly called this past holiday season disappointing. This year, Switch hardware sales declined overall by 22.1%.
do you really think this shit can last another year?
>companies are greedier than ever and people can no longer afford goodies even with free money
>government is making it worse by involving themselves in a war they have no business being involved in
>this means there is no demand for entertainment because you can totally survive on and live inside of nothing but vidya
Isn't it the best selling console in history already?
>do you really think this shit can last another year?
Yes because 22% off of 20 million is still a lot of sales
I feel like it's the end of generational hardware iteration for nintendo. They're just going to keep increasing the specs on the Switch while mandating all games work on the old switch so it'll be a switch pro. Devs will continue to make games for the switch, that'll run at 4k + 60fps on the pro and 30fps 1080p on the old model. Games will always be hamstrung by being developed so that they run on the old switch.
I don't think Nintendo can do cross gen. Unlike Sony everyone buys Nintendo for exclusives. If the Switch 2 games aren't exclusive, a lot of people just wont bother updating. I wouldn't. I'd just keep playing on the switch and save 400 dollars. And that's a problem for them.
>everyone buys the switch for exclusives
I didn’t. I bought because I wanted something mobile in handheld form. Now that I have a Deck too, I switch between them. I was never into Mario except Paper Mario.
I really got it for MonHun GU and Rise and World on my Deck
The deck is amazing, been playing diablo 4 on mine.
If there is a direct switch 2 it should really have similar ergonomics, I play both almost equally but it's always a bit weird going back to the switch with how flat the back is.
I agree. At first I wasn’t sure if I’d like the layout, but after using it for so long, I find I love the layout and how it “holds.”
>If there is a direct switch 2 it should really have similar ergonomics
Wouldn't that be bad ergonomics for small child hands?
No idea, but the switch is terrible ergonomics for mine
Can't you buy adult size controllers and attach them to improve it?
You would think so, but then that introduces issues with how it works with cases or the dock and I'd rather the product just work for me off the bat.
Why should I have to pay extra for it to meet a baseline for something another comparable product does off the bat?
Eventually you will have to move on from older hardware. There are a lot of mobile games that discontinued support for older Android and iOS versions on older phones simply because Google and Apple want you to upgrade newer phones.
It's not just about getting you to buy the newest hardware either. A lot of game genres are more or less perfected already, or close enough. For example, Animal Crossing, Mario Kart and Smash bros cant really be done significantly better than they are already. So you need better graphics to sell the game.
All this talk about muh graffix irks me. Because nobody is talking about gameplay innovations with more core threads for logic simulations. Also Nintendo likes to change up the controller. Perhaps R&D is still finding a way to force you to play Smash Bros. without the Gamecube controller.
I honestly just want 60 fps out of nintendo titles, the performance issues and dips for things like pokemon and zelda at launch is annoying.
Even if both zelda games are extremely playable, the fps drops just take me out of it some.
It's the same issue I have with bloodborne being stuck on ps4. It's playable, but the games just deserve better.
The thing about Pokemon is that its not a Nintendo Switch problem that it runs like shit. Its a Gamefreak problem that they have to rush out new Pokemon games every year with the same small teams. Also without Iwata Pokemon games have gone to shit. Sun and Moon ran like ass on 3DS. New hardware is not going to replace shit programming. Gamefreak's problems are for another thread.
The new Mario game will run at 60fps at least. Nintendo's been pretty good at getting Mario to run at decent framerates. I think if Nintendo can nail 720p at 60fps for most of their games next gen then I'll be happy. However journos are saying 30fps is the new 4K because Starfield can't go 60fps on Xbox. We may be back in the 30fps dark ages again.
>The thing about Pokemon is that its not a Nintendo Switch problem that it runs like shit.
I know.
But you can't argue that extra power wouldn't at least help, plus it could help other games do more ambitious things or make devs lives easier.
Even totk has dips, which is why I didn't just mention pokemon.
I want to say I remember dips in link's awakening too, it's a recurring problem that really ought to not be one.
Link's Awakening was made by Grezzo's own engine. Its not too bad of an attempt with all of the lighting effects on the overworld. Also Miitopia runs fine on Switch with the same engine. Then again its Miis, which aren't hardware demanding. There's also Xenoblade 2 which has ass performance at launch. It was so bad at launch I had to wait a year before finishing it. Monolith rebuilt the rendering engine with Torna. Which they used for Xenoblade DE and 3. Xenoblade 3 definitely pushes the limit in some areas. I can see better hardware be more useful for third parties who want to port with as minimal effort as possible. If Switch 2 can't run Unreal 5 then it's dead in the water.
I do hope Switch 2 gets 12 gigs of RAM with very little bottlenecks.
>If Switch 2 can't run Unreal 5 then it's dead in the water.
It'd be nice if it could, but I think the switch already proved that isn't true at all
The Switch can indeed run the full version of Unreal 4, not just the mobile versions. Switch can also run RE Engine with Monster Hunter Rise. Panic Button has gotten Doom and Wolfenstein to run on Switch. It can run big games surprisingly well when optimized. Key word is optimized. Developers are now spending less money to optimize their games properly; even on PC. They don't want to spend money on a Nintendo port that runs like ass that nobody buys.
Also Nintendo needs to end this WiFi parity crap with ethernet. Cloud games are ass on Nintendo because you can't get more than 70mbps on ethernet if you're lucky.
The main problem with trying to run PS4 games on Switch is that the power gap means you need to translate the 1080p resolution to sub HD resolution, and most people don't want to play sub HD games anymore. But with the Switch 2 it will be more like 4k to 1080p, in which case, who really gives a frick?
Current Switch already runs UE5, no reason to believe the successor won't
Is Fortnite on Switch running UE5?
Extra power wouldn't help, they went from their games running like shit on the 3DS to running like shit on the Switch. They wiped their asses with the extra power.
Because graphics matter and everyone stopped believing the lie about muh CPU for advanced simulations after the PS3 embarrassed itself, with its "4D graphics" and other outlandish claims. The Switch hardware is a real challenge with the ambitions of the current crop of Nintendo's games. TotK has great physics and simulation running on an incredibly underpowered CPU. But what makes that game chug is turning on Ultrahand and asking the GPU to render a bunch of transparency effects. That sucks as a player but I'm sure it annoys the engineers way more.
>When will the switch 2 release?
When the Steam Deck emulator is ready. Shuntaro Furukawa will have his revenge on Gabe.
will be announced this year and released next year, they're most likely delaying MP4 to make it a crossgen release like BOTW
>will use Ampere architecture (3000 series Nvidia GPUs)
>performance around base PS4 (1.4 Teraflops)
>will support UHS-II SD cards
>DLSS (Deep Learning Super Sampling) will be the biggest sale point, it will either be forced upon all Switch 2 games via development tools or nintendo will make it OS based
>4K upscaled on all games via DLSS
>OLED switch dock will be compatible with Switch 2, it's firmware can be updated and there's a 4K capable realtek video output chip on the dock currently not used by the OLED Switch
>current switch games might not work on Switch 2 but nintendo will make up for it with the NSO service, hopefully I'm wrong about this one since ARM gives you a lot of flexibility with backward compatibility (3DS can run all games down to the GBA natively)
>400$
>Switch Pro existed but got cancelled because it was supposed to launch when the global scamdemic started, regular switch started to fly off shelves and the chip shortage didn't allow the Pro to exist, there was little incentive for nintendo to make a paper launch for the Pro model when the base switch model was selling so damn well
>Switch sales have been steadily declining YoY and nintendo keeps dropping their sales expectations, they know they can't stretch the current Switch for another year
>nintendo will make it OS based
I don't think that's possible
that's why I mentioned first they might force onto the development environment, the DLSS source code leak already sort of confirmed this
How so? I mean look at how bare bones it is now. LITERALLY SOULLESS compared to what the Wii U had.
DLSS works by using specific vector information generated by a game at run time. I don't think all games' renderers use the the same information
Of course they aren't going to make DLSS OS level but they can make it extremely easy to implement with the development tools to the point where anyone would be moronic not to.
There is absolutely no way T239 is only 1.4tflops docked. The chip it's based on is 5tflops.
For comparison, the X1 in the switch was 512gflops normally and downclocked to 393 gflops docked. This means Nintendo underclocked the switch's GPU by 23%.
A similar underclock of the Orin would put the switch 2 at 3.8tflops. Personally, I expect them to clock it to around 3 tflops of performance, but 1.4 is just silly.
thanks for the correction, I wanted to be conservative with the number because nintendo really likes to underclock their chips to achieve a longer battery autonomy and heat output
I think 3TFs + DLSS will be enough for them to guarantee good third party support and console life longevity, I just hope the storage solution wont be a bottleneck
The storage will definitely be a bottleneck, as will the CPU. But that's a bottleneck compared to the PS5, not the PS4. And because nearly every game released now has a PS4 game it should have no trouble receiving ports.
switch, even when plugged in only draws 15 watts or something. to have better power delivery you need a better power supply and better cooling, something they aren't going to put in a mobile device
>switch, even when plugged in only draws 15 watts or something.
The switch used a shitty tablet GPU, which wasn't designed to draw much power to begin with. As I mentioned, they only underclocked it by 23% in docked mode. The Switch 2 is using a much beefier GPU made for cars, so it can absolutely get much more out of drawing power in docked mode. I would definitely expect them to up the docked power draw significantly. It just makes sense anyway because the handheld resolution doesn't need to go up much whereas the docked resolution is gonna need to go from 900p to 4k.
Reminder that all video game and anime girls want to be with East Asian Men only.
Would le funny solid state cooling device that linus sextips showed a few days ago be used in the new 2ds pro? SCHITZO POST DISREGARD
Only thing I care about is performance. It better have superior hardware and not some dogshit that can't even run indie games properly.
Holiday 2024 at the earliest and I would bet early 2026.
Reminder there's a 99% chance there's a Pro for holiday this year. they've re-uploaded the account creation tutorial just like before the Lite and OLED.
All that's needed is the privating of the original OLED announcement trailer to show when it's announcement is happening.
>but it could be Switch 2!
Then they wouldn't have left all the points about the Switch in it because the Switch announcement trailer itself will even be privated at that time. They'd have held off until it released and added a new tutorial for that new system.
>they've re-uploaded the account creation tutorial just like before the Lite and OLED.
Yeah funny that, almost like they're going to announce the next console soon fricktard
they're not going to release a pro
the chip that has been leaked through the nvidia hack is far too powerful for a simple pro revision, it's for the switch 2
>the chip that has been leaked through the nvidia hack is far too powerful for a simple pro revision, it's for the switch 2
Don't bother man. You have two groups of morons online, people who think a pro is coming any day and people who think new hardware will never release and you will never convince either group that a new console will release after 7 years like every other console on the market. This time is "different" for "some reason."
Not him but those people deserve to be smacked up for being that moronic. At this point the so called "switch 2" is has potential to be almost an Xbox series S level hardware depending on which semiconductor foundry they'll use.
In terms of the GPU yeah, though it would be weaker in other areas, it's hard to see how the GPU wont be comparable to the series S with it being based on a 5tflops chip and including DLSS and better RTcores than the S has.
It's the memory bandwidth and size that's the biggest issue. The CPU isn't going to be a problem unless it's clocked lower than 2.0GHz. Even less if they somehow bring in more than 8 cores (up to 12) but that's very unlikely so don't count on that.
It is gonna be Series S level, yes. But since it's a portable device there will be compromises in some area, as per usual
ALMOST series S level since power usage has to be kept low enough for portable play to work without too much of a downgrade to docked.
what do you think year 1 software releases would look like?
>new mario kart
>new 3D mario
almost guaranteed IMO
>new donkey kong
>monolith fabled action game
good chances
>F Zero GX HD
>Kid Icarus Uprising Remastered
might be used to pad out the switch's final year instead
Metroid Primer 4 will be there on year one, even if it isn't the flagship. I don't expect Monolith to show up, but last time I said that Xenoblade 2 was shown in the Switch event with a release date we all assumed for sure would not happen and I still believed that right until it showed up on the eShop on release day
>new mario kart
there's a dlc for mk8d, adding more races until 2023 in picrel
> new 3d mario
Absolutely, we've seen nintendo experiment it with Bowser's Fury, so I think we will get a hybrid 3D-2D mario game like it
>buy the switch 2 along with botw and totk
>can now play them both at 60 fps
>When will the switch 2 release?
When the Switch outsells the ps2
>What will the price be?
Whatever Nintendo wants it to be.
Since this is the closest thing to an eshop thread rn:
Does Dark Souls play better on Keypad or Controller? It's 50% on switch right now.
Is it possible we'll get another revision of the OG Switch around the same time as the Switch successor? The New 2DS XL did release a few months after the Switch launched, so it's not impossible, right? Like, perhaps an OLED Lite Switch, or maybe even a home only Switch?
>that one aspie homosexual who kept predicting a fall 2023 launch
Hey homosexual I hope you killed yourself
Not within 2-3 years, tendies continue to prove they’re fine with slop
>all these people thinking Nintendo will make it backwards compatible when it’s proven time and time again tendies will just buy it when they release it again
>literally their last console was BC and nobody bought it
Cool narritive
You're thinking of snoys who buy anything called a playstation. Nintendo's consoles sales are a rollercoaster
>it’s proven time and time again
It's only happened with the Switch and the only reason is because no one bought the Wii-U.
Yeah man, unlike sony who would never do that, haha...
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