Whenever I reflect upon the character of Nishkiyama, an overwhelming sense of sorrow washes over me. It is all too apparent that he has been subjected to numerous injustices, inflicted upon him by his own brother, his so-called friends, and even his own subordinates. Deep within my being, I am convinced that he has been grievously wronged. The creators and storytellers behind the Ryu Ga Gotoku series have undeniably deprived him of reaching his fullest potential. It is truly disheartening to witness, for Nishkiyama possesses an incredible sense of humor and captivating charm that Kiryu, the main protagonist, would go to great lengths to possess.
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10 years in the joint made you a fricking pussy
I just finished replaying Yakuza 1. It was a lot easier than I remembered, though the camera was still a pain in the ass.
The Kiwami flashback scenes do more harm than good, prove me wrong
You know what? I'm going to play the original yakuza 1 soon, with all what is going in the series, combat getting sabotaged, fanbase getting sabotaged, story getting sabotaged, I might go as well and forget about all of the games and just play 1
can you stop being an epic reactionary homosexual for 2 seconds and just play a video game because it's fun?
Okay, but you can't ignore the bad route the series is going into
Gaiden is the best game since 0
Get this while you are at it:
Of course, I want to hear the original dub.
K1>1 dub> 1 sub
If you're gonna play Yakuza 1 you play it dubbed as intended. Kuroda Takaya didn't have Kiryu dialed in for Yakuza 1 and he sounds like YongYea.
What a moronic thing to say when his performance in Y1 was far better than it was in K1
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That video shows that he sounds much more powerful in K1 and you can instantly recognize him as Kiryu.
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I hate the emphasis put on Haruka so much. Worst "character" in 1
i havent kept up with the series since 0 came out what happened
Some new fans that came with 0 has become overwhlemed with other entries, and the other entries are decent but not perfect like 0, but instead of having fun with these entries and forgetting their shortcomings, they kept shitting on these games and saying a lot of bad stuff about them that aren't true and that's because theu weren't "perfect" like 0, and that's how the fanbase got sabotaged.
They did. They're literal cartoon tier story telling.
They tried to help but it wasn't enough in execution, I like the idea though, it at least provided some reasoning behind the character's change.
And at least they delivered in that part https://youtu.be/xRnAedASx5c?t=553
So couldn't Nishiki easily kick his subordinates' asses if they tried disrespecting him if he was supposedly as strong as Kiryu was in the beginning of 1/Kiwami?
>inflicted upon him by his own brother
wasn't kiryu in the joint being someone's prison b***h while bad things happened to nishiki
Kiryu is the most spoiled homosexual im this whole series, I personally want to see majima kill him in 8
somewhat based
homie have the strongest plot armor I have ever seen in my life, everybody in the series is getting his ass kicked but him in the series
Along with 1 and 2
Like half the games end with him bleeding out and he'll have blood-coughing-cancer in the next one
But he won't die, I wish he dies in 8
no but seriously why didn't the goddamned idiot call for help or something? tojo hq had to have at least one working phone
It's actually perfectly in character. I cannot think of a single instance of Kiryu asking for help, ever. I'm sure someone will prove me wrong but if it's so rare then you see my point regardless.
Do informants like Date, Akane or The Florist count?
You're right but I didn't say what I meant properly. I don't mean asking for help like asking for information or a supporting role in a plan, but more like a 'I'm in a weak position and need aid' kind of asking for help.
Shut the frick up Shishido
Whenever I reflect on Nishkiyama TEN YEARS IN THE JOINT MADE YOU A FRICKING PUSSY
I still haven't watched the prequel movie, but is it safe to assume that Kazama gave Nishiki's sister zero support?
How did you miss it? Nishikiyama was too prideful to even ask. Old Kazama isn't Kiryu to force sacrificial freebies upon ungrateful people. God, weak prideful people is the single most disgusting thing on this whole Earth.
He should've, after all he's the one who killed her parents too. For how overshilled he was on the first games Kazama was an absolute moron.
1 is a soap opera, don't expect too much logical consistency. Especially considering the sister stuff was mostly a Kiwami addition to try to damage control 1 into 0.
>It is all too apparent that he has been subjected to numerous injustices, inflicted upon him by his own brother, his so-called friends, and even his own subordinates.
Sure... but he fricked over that ONE BROTHER who would take the blame for him and go to jail for him. The one person who's bond was thicker than blood. Even when Kiryu finally got out of jail, Nishkiyama still tried to frick him over. Nishikiyama deserves all the hate because he's no better than anyone who subjected him to injustices in the past.
Everything could have been different if he wasn't such a dick to Kiryu. He made his own bed.
>inflicted upon him by his own brother
Both Kashiwigi and Kamaza were absolute garbage to him, especially Kazama who was supposed to take care of her sister, since he murdered her parents. But Kiryu didn't do anything to him. He was the one who went to prision after all.
The issue is that 1 wrote him without any thought, just "we need friend to betray Kiryu" and 0 made him a compelling character that didn't quite connect with 1 despite trying to hint at his inferiority complex
On the contrary, I feel like the character as written in 0 fits what we saw in the original 1 like a glove. In the 80s he goes for swagger demeanor over Kiryu's calm attitude which works during the bubble but by '95 it translates into Kiryu being the first one to be given his own family. In 0 it's made damn clear that Nishiki is the most emotional of the two and leaving him without Kiryu's guidance for ten years fricks him up, missing the forest for the trees on the reasons behind trying to sit on the throne. The bigger problem with 1's story is how Nishiki doesn't really argue his side that well, the reasons behind being an absolute ass to Kiryu at Serena; and it's something Kiwami does jackshit about, instead creating laughably tone-deaf flashbacks that Flanderize his turning into evil while also dragging other characters like Kazama or Kashiwagi down with him by apparently making them fricking moronic given the choices they do or do not make.
All these elements you brought up are valid and make sense, I put them in the same box as 0 hinting at his inferiority complex, or the gun scene showing he might become destructive given harsh circumstances.
The issue is that he becomes so comically evil in 1 and he's also portrayed as incredibly loyal in 0 that no matter how many of these well-written hints and foreshadowing you put, they will never be able to bridge that gap between pic related and 1 Nishiki. It's just not that character.
Basically 0 did it as best as possible by making him the best character he could be in 0 while also trying to set up the groundwork to justify 1 but it was an impossible task from the start.
Just gotta accept that a decade is a long fricking time for someone that believes the end justifies the means to change, especially in the yakuza underworld
It could possibly work but you'd still have to rewrite 1 to make Nishiki more prevalent and give him better interactions with Kiryu in 1 to actually sell you on that "I'm heartbroken that our goals differ but we'll have to fight" stuff. As things stand, neither 1 Kiryu nor 1 Nishiki behave as they would according to 0.
But that requires a lot of rewriting and then the game cannot revolve around Jingu and le Yumi twist and so on. You can be sure 1 would be different if they made it after 0 even if they went for the same idea overall.
What did Makoto do though? She just got married and left.
If you presume half of that Nishiki is just 20yo Kiryu's pink googles it falls into the place just right. Because half of Makoto was Majima's pink googles as well, as the moment she entered Tokyo she started to doing the dumbest stacy shit possible.
Not that anon, but I'm an insecure person, I know how hateful my thoughts can become towards people I care about, or who I'm jealous of. I've cut off people just because I'm jealous of them for being better at everything I want to be. These people thought of me as the most innocent person ever.
I can't imagine 10 years of being reminded that I'm inferior around the clock + needing to commit crime to survive.
>The issue is that he becomes so comically evil in 1
Remember, we're talking about people in the Yakuza, and Nishiki lacks internal principles, he does whatever's convenient.
Nishikiyama is just HnK's Shin but with less of an idea of who he was in the past, Thank god we got something to work with with the other stuff to help make him a character.
Can't believe RGG made a back tattoo of a fish more kino than one of a dragon
nishikiyama is just fredo with balls
1 is the worst Yakuza game
2 and 4 are, but it's close behind.
2 shits on 1 in basically every way anon
Sorry, I shoulda specified Kiwami 2.
Isn't he one of the goons that gets fricked by Izo pre boss fight?
Kiwami 2 also shits on 1, despite the remake's shortcomings.
Why were they so much better than Kiryu/Yumi?
Because Yumi has 2 minutes of screen time.
Because Kaoru had an actual personality and more than five minutes of screentime in her game
they really overdid it with making her hackermanz though
Elder Goda could use Kaoru to his means the same way Kazama used Yumi, but he didn't.
since we're on the topic of poorly handled characters, what's your favorite "badly written character" in the series?
mine's Aizawa. If you removed that stupid section with Saejima, he would still be badly written, but it would definitely not have been as bad as he is right now
I just wanted to say, if you still haven't seen how his character dies in Ishin!, go watch it, it's the most hilarious death in the franchise
what do i type in to watch it? It's been ages since I saw a playthough of Ishin.
here
biggest wasted potential in this franchise yet. I still seethe whenever I see idiots coping that they aren't together anymore by spewing headcanon like "oh well, it was a spur of the moment kind of relationship / The age gap is too big"
I love RGG, but it's clear that the writers are afraid of committing to anything carrying over in the sequels
>I love RGG, but it's clear that the writers are afraid of committing to anything carrying over in the sequels
That's the franchise's biggest issue honestly. Too much rehashing characters, plot points, leitmotivs, and too scared to show the characters ever doing something bad
holy frick he got bodied
"WHAT ABOUT ME?"
"who cares about you, this isn't your story."
"NOOOOOO SAVE ME SAKA-ACK!"
I can taste the disdain for Aizawa from here.
Mine
Does nothing for half the game then dude's backstory gets dumped over a couple jpegs in the middle of a chapter. Next he bulldozes an orphanage slaps some kids collude with terrorists and attempts killing daigo all FOR NO FRICKING REASON.
unless I'm remembering the details wrong, I'd actually say Mine's actions are pure kino
>grow up in a shitty environment where idealism leads to nothing, only money/pragmatism gets you somewhere in life
>grow up lonely, look for somewhere you can live with idealism
>join the Yakuza because of its brotherhood aspect
>Daigo actually reciprocates Mine's feelings and treats him as his equal, a true KYODAI
>Daigo gets fricked over and the Yakuza ideals lead the Tojo nowhere, so pragmatism is the only way forward
>Mine realizes Daigo might actually die, and now that the families are gunning for his life, he thinks it's all over
>in a last ditch effort, Mine decides to destroy anything Tojo related as revenge for taking away his newfound reason for living
I'm probably getting the details wrong, but this "Idealism vs Pragmatism" dynamic is always kino
I love Mine so much bros its surreal.
We know, Daigo.
I mean, it's not like it would change anything, Ao3 already ships them
>Harada always has bandages wrapped around his abdomen. Though this is unexplained in-game, it is likely a reference to an event in the real Harada's life: A higher-rank samurai mocked Harada's lack of skill with a blade by saying that he probably couldn't even commit seppuku correctly, prompting Harada to commit seppuku in front of the man to prove him wrong. However, Harada failed to actually disembowel himself since the cut he made was too shallow, so he survived but was left with a large scar on his abdomen for the rest of his life.
Real life Harada was something else.
>if you want to get a rival samurai killed just shittalk his seppuku skills so he disembowels himself for you
>What am I doing here? I'm not sure myself
it's the tale of a carp born into the dragon family trying mimic a few dragon things and attack a couple of dragons and still staying the fat dumb fricking carp forever
Hamazaki had such an amazing intro, him terrifying the chinese chef and eating a duck head, then blowing him and his restaurant up. But you don't even get to fight him and he's easily the most underused character in the game for being a Yakuza captain.
>closest you get is in one of the post game thing's and he just has a generic sumo moveset
>Gets hyped up as the best villain in the series
>Gets cucked by the Korean mafia in his own game
He at least has a few scenes to establish him. Beating up Daigo, starting up shit multiple times, leading the forces into Kamurocho, holding Kiryu at sword point... And him taking revenge on the other guy at the end while self-actualizing ("should have been a little dumber like me to win, homosexual") established him as one of the best antagonists, although not the best.
I'd fix him by not making him lose the first fight you have against him. That really lowered his threat level.
>not making him lose the first fight you have against him. That really lowered his threat level
It's funny how they try to justify it in-universe by having Kiryu go "it doesn't count because you're tired from fighting Daigo" as if Kiryu shouldn't be tired from escaping Omi HQ by beating up about 50 dudes.
Yeah it's clearly damage control. They thought it was enough but I think the game would feel a lot different if you canonically lost that boss fight and wanted that runback for the rest of the game. Think Vergil.
His introduction in the cabaret is easily one of the best in the franchise
Elder god tier: Villains whose motives are hard to find fault in and arguably better than the hero's.
>legend-tier dude but born too late to actually matter
Kino
> motives are hard to find fault in
> arguably better than the hero's.
Are you moronic? He's outright selfish and his dreams are all criminal in nature
The dream huh....
Compared to people just trying to live their lives, the dream doesn't mean a damn thing................
You're telling me... we all were the real Yakuza all along...
>his dreams are all criminal in nature
Bro the series is called Yakuza
No it's called Like A Dragon
And he's a tiger.
Read, and tell me if this statement makes sense:
>Villains whose motives are hard to find fault in and arguably better than the hero's.
Shishido is an outright unrepentant thug. He isn't this sort of villain.
He was bred and raised by the system, then the system had to go and he was left with nothing. It's sympathetic and I can't fault him for fighting for it.
there are moments where you have to step outside the game and realize they're all criminals and you aren't part of that life.
unironically one of the most tragic characters in the franchise
>grew up without any support from anyone
>no option but to go to the criminal world
>due to all the punishment he withstood prior to entering the Watase family, he drilled into his head that the only way to win in life is to be the strongest and actually take what you want with your hands
>Watase and his family are mostly boneheaded idiots that shared this same vision, so his feelings were reciprocated
>face is full of scars due to all the fighting he did and body is almost full tattoo because "that's what true yakuza do", so he can't just live a normal life as a civilian.
>suddenly, Tsuruno and Watase say that this lifestyle must end
>which would mean completely erasing everything about his life, his legacy and his dream
while Kiryu is correct in saying that his dream means nothing in the grand scheme of things, he's saying that to a man that has his own sense of self backed against a corner, what else was Shishido supposed to do?
This. Shishido was built up so well.
Also Watase still acknowledging his determination at the end is kino.
I bet he liked getting railed by Nishitani
I wish they confirmed, for no personal reasons.
Hey, Kiryu
>Takes immigrants passports and forces them into sex work
You're stepping on our ambitions
>Traffics drugs into his local community
If you think I'm just gonna sit back
>Tricks people into his ripoff bar and beats them within an inch of their life
and let you end the dreams of the men here
>Kidnaps and tortures the children of a local politician
Then you got another thing coming
>Rapes an underage girl and murders her family
NOW STEP THE FRICK UP
He didn't do any of those things
He's a yakuza, he almost certainly did.
Nope. Watase was all about the charisma and show of strenght.
nope. That homosexual was licking the balls of that korean homosexual. Just when he was freed from it, he went right back sucking his wiener after all the shit he's been put through.
He's no god tier. He's just a fricking dog.
>That homosexual was licking the balls of that korean homosexual
He was pretty much a slave at first. He just had to go back when he realized Watase was about to betray everyone.
Shishido deserved a full game but I have confident Infinite Wealth will give us another kino villain
I think the Daidoji is a moronic idea
It's no different than the Ministry Intelligence Agency, just this time around it's actually expanded upong and you end up being an agent for the faction.
>Nishkiyama has the tattoo of a koi
>Kiryu has the tattoo of a dragon
>Nishkiyama tried to intimidate/bribe/kill his way to the top, taking shortcuts when he could and turning his back on everyone around him
>Kiryu fought with tooth and nail to defend those around him (with mixed results) and worked his ass off to get what he has
>The wise and mighty dragon easily defeats the cheating koi, just like the old japanese tale of the koi fish trying to swim upstream to become dragons
Ludokino.
We all get the symbolism. It just doesn't fit Nishiki though
Playing Judgement for the first time. I think I'm in love.
The gfs in Judgment were cute
I know you can date multiple ones at the same time but there's no way I'm cheating on Sana. She's the one and only.
Its a shame Lost Judgement only gave you Emily if you didn't buy any DLC. Makes me wonder if Tsukino's gonna come back again for the third Judgement game if they actually make it.
Tsuruno bringing the idea up about how dangerous Yakuza truly are for society after Nishitani's fight with that story about a 20 years old who got tortured and killed was honestly surprising as I don't recall them ever being so direct about the reality of yakuza in the real world.
Wonder if they would get into trouble for making a story similar but with a civilian instead, referencing cases like the one of Junko Furuta.
Shishido only betrayed me cause he was ass mad I beat him at golf
Does anyone else cosplay as Kiryu
No, I’m too bald for that