Where does 40K end and nu40k start?
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Where does 40K end and nu40k start?
Where does 40K end and nu40k start?
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Sometime during 5th or late 4th, depending on the specific product. I'd put it at 2008 or 2009, after the Dark Heresy release but before the worst Wardexes and focus on huge centrepiece minis.
Necrons retcon seems like a good point when it really go going.
is pretty close.
Some of this too although there's a range. I started with 2nd and found 3rd into 4th a lot better. That being said, the shift from 2nd to 3rd is at least in part a very different game.
never, really its just cope
The edition that came after I got into it.
This is how most people will generally answer. It's an emotional thing, and everyone has a certain sentimentality for the edition they first enjoyed. Obviously it's been more of a continuum than there being any big leaps or discrete breaks. the fact that there's been a pretty consistent downward trend in quality for most of the game's life only fuels that nostalgia. The nu-40k experience, whether in 1997 or 2022, is one of accumulating disappointment.
I've been playing since Rogue Trader, but I saw a definite decline around 5th edition. The corporate drive really stsrted to take over then with its 'GW models only' bollocks and using the lore and powercreep to encourage newbies to buy only the latest game winning models.
Pretty much this. Threads complaining about GW's incredible expense, poor rules, awful management decisions, and lamenting the capitalistic drive of the hobby have been around on /tg/ for ages, although the specific vocabulary thrown around changes.
Soon, very soon...
https://www.wargamer.com/warhammer-the-horus-heresy/age-of-darkness-gender-critical
What I don't understand is why WOULDN'T gw just ad fem-marines?
They clearly don't care about "the setting" and female space marines would just boost sales, which is what they really care about.
If they were going to do it they would've done it with Primaris, when they shook up the rules of Marine augmentation with the new organs. They didn't take that opportunity, so they just aren't going to.
Well yeah. But again, why didn't they?
It would have only boosted sales.
Its a great way to kill it for the hardcore fans.
The same way marvel killed it around '14.
They are the ppl you NEED to keep happy or your franchise will slowly rot and die and there will be no audience to reboot it later
Marvel made more money than ever before that.
Im not talking about the movies.
Have you seen their comic sales?
Its been abysmal.
GW would go the same way
>I'm not talking about the dozens of ways that they make money because that'd disprove my narrative
Are you actually moronic?
Does GW have a multibillion dollar media alternative to coast on if they lose the whales who buy their plastic crack?
No? So its the same as the comics which are bleeding, but with no disney to help prop along the potential dead weight.
>is GW comparable to disney
Obviously not moron, but I'm not the one who made the comparision.
Yeah. Marvel's only kept afloat thanks to the movies and TV shows. DC has a lot more leverage in the form of games and cartoons with BTAS still selling DVDs even now.
>kept afloat
More like soaring a thousand miles above the water. Turning failing C list comic characters into the biggest media juggernaut of all time was one of the greatest marketing moves ever
Are you a human or some kind of automated account? It seems whenever we b***h about Disney, a certain someone swoops in the nick of time to save the Mouse from shitposting.
It is just different types of contrarians. Some people like to complain about things, and others like to point out how ineffectual complaining on Ganker is. You will see this pattern everywhere on Ganker
There's plenty of things to b***h about in regards to the "Mouse" that are true, such as Marvel movies being shit, without b***hing about things that are completely wrong, like pretending the Marvel movies aren't making a ton of money
>Have you seen their comic sales?
People talk about their comic sales like the death spiral started recently rather than them being in a constant decrease with occasional spikes for the last couple decades
Nobody cares about the comics.
Marvel is a movie and digital stuff company now and it makes a shitliad of $$$. They could shut every book tommorow and print not ine more story and still they would make cash for decades to come, but it makes you butthurt
theyre slipping, theyre going too cringe and its starting to show
What a shame
>marvel killed it
Marvel is the biggest money printer of all time
Marvel is at the top of the list of the dozens of franchises that have made exponentially more money not giving a shit what their original niche audience thinks.
Because hardcore fans will continue to buy anything they put out. You know it's true.
I personally blame Disney's monopoly. They own, what? 54% of American Entertainment now? Kind of hard to vote with your wallets when everything is made by the same guy.
Just stop consooming it all?
>I have no choice but to consoom
Pathetic. Disney ends shows all the time for underperforming, Marvel carries its own weight and then some.
>not giving a shit what their original niche audience thinks
Surely that's because they've successfully transitioned to a new, much broader audience? The MCU is practically its own micro-economy at this point, while comic book sales continue to trundle along in the same basic ballpark as they were in 15 years ago. The last Avengers movie made almost $3 billion worldwide, whereas American comics collectively are estimated produce around $1.25 bil in revenue per year. It's pretty apparent that there's two audiences here, and the overlap is small enough that Marvel doesn't really have to care what those original comic book fans think, the movie/TV fans are the core consideration since they're the biggest source of revenue. Marvel Studios is the actual business, Marvel Comics is just a legacy company carried forward by goodwill and inertia
>Because hardcore fans will continue to buy anything they put out. You know it's true.
World of Warcraft in a nutshell
Is there any evidence whatsoever that adding female heads to kits has ever boosted sales?
>It would have only boosted sales.
You clearly know nothing about GW's customer base.
frick off with your troony bullshit
You know it to be true
controlled opposition
GW doesn't care about the lore but they do care about antagonizing their fanbase too much, and female marines would antagonize their fanbase
gw paypigs would still buy their stuff.
Fem marines wouldn’t boost sales at all
>why WOULDN'T gw just ad fem-marines?
I already have femmarines and they are called Sisters of Battle. They have a unique aesthetic, they fulfill a specific function and tell a specific story of the broader setting and they are perfect the way they are. All the troonyfrickers can frick right off.
>he thinks its trannies who demand femmarines
I mean, if you count every overweight acne ridden femoid as troony you might be right by technicality
sure, go ahead, tell the mentally ill they can expect changes to 40k if they demand it loudly enough, see what happens.
I have no idea why trannies are so obsessed with Space Marines. Maybe they see themselves there? An ugly ass mass of muscle with a fricked up internal biology? Furthermore, why is every drawn woman ugly as shit now?
I actively avoid using female mini's and i 3d print anything
I don't go to erotica authors and demand they make their books about men and manly activities. Why should 40k be changed for an audience that's not interested in it?
where people stop feeling special for being into it long enough before others, same as any other hobby
as every metalhead ever said "yeah but like only their old stuff the new stuff just isn't the same"
I would've loved to be there during the earliest years when they were doing crazy ass parody bullshit for real but other than that it comes down to preference
prices do keeping worse though, so that's a thing
do you think they don't make erotica for dudes? or featuring manly dudes, I guess? rule34 applies to writing too
fem space marines would kill the lore to the point a lot of people would look for something else (lorewise) to get mentally invested in, and build a hobby around
if GW doesn't give in, they will be the first company to NOT pander to the current troony trends
fem space marines will eventually happen, companies are scared shitless of not being an "trans ally"
>fem space marines would kill the lore to the point a lot of people would look for something else
nah, not a chance. I mean sure, some people will frick off, like always, and be replaced by other dipshits, like always. but at this point the average GW fanboy is so browbeaten he'll accept anything. you're talking about guys that stuck around after primaris, for frick's sake. they don't have a limit.
>you're talking about guys that stuck around after primaris, for frick's sake. they don't have a limit.
This lol
signals in Astarte battle sign"
>suck my clit
the sad truth
are you a troony?
It wouldn't boost sales, it would torpedo them.
>What I don't understand is why WOULDN'T gw just ad fem-marines?
>They clearly don't care about "the setting" and female space marines would just boost sales, which is what they really care about.
you will never be a human
It is because female space marines would invalidate the Adepta Sororitas.
And besides if you want your female space marines so badly then just convert them with simple headswaps.
And just homebrew them in. You don't need the permission of a big corporation and big corporation approved writing, do you?
Seeing as how man faced a lot of SoB models are, why do so many people want female Space Marines? They won't look feminine in any capacity.
honestly I haven't encountered anyone who seriously wants them who isn't trolling
I still stick to the "becoming a space marine overwrites any semblance of normal puberty" view so nobody would know what equipment a marine has
except like his gun I guess
that one is obvious
>I still stick to the "becoming a space marine overwrites any semblance of normal puberty" view so nobody would know what equipment a marine has
>except like his gun I guess
Which is even worse, because female space marines would just be "women" that have everysingle "female" aspect of them forcibly torn away from them, there would be no difference and thus it literally means that women are erased by becoming space marines. They would be trading one bad thing for an (arguably worse) other problem that devalues women.
They tried this with Sigmarines, they told people that "yeah, a women can totally be under any of these armors", but since the game is a visual model game they had to cave on that and now we have stereotypical boob armor and shit like that.
>They won't look feminine in any capacity.
Thats the point, so trannies can look at a female character and say shes just like me
The design team said they were told to purposefully make them unattractive. I get they'd want them to look more like actual combat vets than insta models - they're out there fighting, though that Sister in front with the iron halo is painted with a 5'o clock shadow...
>What I don't understand is why WOULDN'T gw just ad fem-marines?
No one has told them how to do it profitably.
this person who penned this is pathetically weak
what's the matter, does the article trigger you?
The Necrons retcon
40k died when they stopped calling it rogue trader
2nd edition was still good fun, it was around 3rd edition that BL started up and everything had to be super serious.
I dropped out for some years though returning at 7th, I was surprised how the tourney scene and competitive play fricked everything - I blame mainly the US players as they seemed more vocally WAAC than the bongs that I played with in the 90s...
There were tourneys in 3rd and prior, though it seemed like a novelty at the time.
Early BL writings were mostly just bad, but I enjoyed the unrelenting bleakness of 3rd edition, I like the more goofy RT/2nd vibe too, they are both good for different reasons, but 3rd was just dripping in atmospheric misery, everything was bad and getting worse. I understand why they had to change it, because it didn't really give the setting anywhere to go but down.
Depends on what state 40k was in when you were a teenager developing rose tinted glasses. To the oldest of Grogs, that's 2nd edition, to the younger Grogs, that's 8th edition and Primaris.
When they stop painting the bases green in promotional material
40k starts ending in 6e when they started lightening the setting up. 7e was the deathknell and 8e is when Nu40k walked off in 40k's clothes
(OP)
>Old 40k
>Abaddon assaults Cadia and invades the planet
>Loses the space battle while crucifying Usarkar E. Creed on his talons
>Flings a Blackstone Fortress at the planet in spite as he retreats
>Wins by pure luck because it turns out Cadia is the critical lynchpin holding back the Eye of Terror
>Who knows what will happen now
>nu40k
>Abaddon was truly a strategic genius and it took him 10,000 years to accomplish his objective of destroying Cadia despite building the Planet Killer AGAIN in the 12th Black Crusade and getting 3 Blackstone Fortresses
>Cadia's destruction is the culmination of a millenia-long plan by the Chaos Gods to guide Archaon into merging the Warp and the Galaxy
>In order to save the galaxy the demigod Primarchs return to guide Mankind into the Rhana Dandra
None of what you said is true. Amazing.
Shut up it's headcanon.
moronic zoomer who didn't start until after nu40k
You're lucky you're posting this nonsense anonymously instead of outing yourself as a fake grog
nice fanfic
I would totally buy fem space yiff marines.
It is obviously when they rebooted the rules in 7th or whatever.
5th edition
where I stop liking things
The decline started in the mid to late 90's and has just gotten worse with every edition, sometimes every release.
Loads of shit things "make money", thats the israelite world we live in
>Where does 40K end and nu40k start?
For me, after seen Centurion Armour.
Plastic Baneblade and Apocalypse near the end of 4th edition. The 4th edition ruleset itself is my favourite, but most of the subsequent 4th edition codexes don't work for me, I prefer the 3rd and 3.5 codexes.
Centurions is another good point too. Scraping the creative barrel and making new units for the sake of it.
Kinda agree, anon. 4e was my favourite but I think the end of 4e is when they started making the 5e dexes with the focus on special characters and losing armouries.
I was gonna say 'primaris marines' bc the whole Cawl/Guilliman/returning-primarch age of enlightenment is a big shit on 40k's aesthetics, and the start of losing 40k as a setting for yourdudes in their little corner of the galaxy and changing it to 40k the weekly soap opera where special characters exchange witty banter as they cross swords again.
Frick it I'm gonna just say "when the art stopped creating inspiration and started only reflecting models you can buy."(including the background/scenery)
so when it became soulless?
They hated Them for they spoke the Truth. 4th ed Apocalypse was the Fast and Furious 7 of 40k. Fricking out of scale and jumping 10 sharks on fire but still a good ending. Current eds are Fast Nine.
shortly after 4th edition's release is where most of the older game developers left GW, with immediate effects (see; all of the non-SM or tyranid codexes). You could argue that's the start of it.
5th edition is where they started changing the game's direction properly, so that would also be an acceptable answer.
Start? 3rd Ed, past the pint of no return? 4th and BL garbage
real question, when is 80k coming out?
Just read up on 50K
When GW tried weaseling their way out of the fact Chaos curbstomped the original EoT.
There's not a singular firm line, but it's around 5th Edition. By the Fall of Cadia, you're firmly in the nu40k setting, not WH40k. While not evident from the beginning, the Horus Heresy books heralded it and are a big part of it, too.
That being said, it's a mistake to think of it as "end and start", because it implies that they are part of the same thing. But just like Warhammer Fantasy and Age of Smegmar, they are effectively completely separate and mutually incompatible settings, with different assumptions, themes, concepts, background, and motivations, regardless of authorial intent or marketing statements.
I'd say 7th edition is the hard cut off point for mid-40k. Necron red on for old.
anything after 2nd edition is nu40k
How about Battlefleet Gothic?
Olanius Pius
Before Grey Knighits got their matrix babycarriag. so around 3-4 (maybe 5? cant remember)
when they add female space marine, so soon
5th edition Grey Knight Codex, its the perfect mark where GW just stopped giving a shit
>Took a soulful niche side faction that was designed to allow you to play a squad or two of demon killing specialists
>Suddenly there was 3000 of them instead of a thousand
>Suddenly they fought at chapter strength
>Suddenly you would deploy armies of 40+ of them
> Had the most OP imperial charecter's lore printed
>Lore was hamfisted as frick to sell their models
>forced them into just being better Deathwing, down to just playing terminators with assault cannons, landraiders, and Dreadnoughts
>Absolutely broke the game with 0 effort with multiple unfair builds
>Completely untested before release
>Stupid centerpiece model that made no fricking sense
> set the retcon stage for when Necrons come right after them
>Ended the relatively fun and interesting 5th edition meta, ruining the game for pretty much every other faction player until the next codex when Necron took over
>Fell off immediately at the turn of the edition as they relied entirely upon abusing wound allocation bullshit on paladins.
Grey Knights were the harbinger of the end times.
Honorable mentions:
Necrons rewrite to make them just british imperialists
6th edition Iyanden supplement, for being the first to imply there was legitament hope for the galaxy, going against grim dark.
Abbadon Blowing up Cadia only to have them retcon it from being a complete chaos victory to just creating Vigilus as the Nu Cadia.
Yeah this was my feeling as well, it was the death knell of caring about the lore which i would discover was cemented with the Tomb kings codex.
This is fricking on point, I almost want to say it was a couple codex's earlier, with Space Wolves, but they were goofy lore wise but fun to play with and against for 5th. Grey Knights were THE cash grab faction that edition.
How did Tau do when first introduced?
I missed that and returned to the game after some years off due to Uni and workshit, though having a gunline of S5 shitlords deleting my IG blobs pissed me the frick off.
My tanks? Pulse shit making them pop on 3+s...
They felt really unbalanced imo.
6th edition is the end of 40k.
Peak 40k is 2000's midhammer. Nu-40k proper starts with the introduction of Primaris marines and Primarchs to the table. Though there were several things you could argue built up and lead to that period though (i.e. Necron retcon, Centurion armor).
Tau. The answer is Tau. I can't believe it hasn't even been said yet.
40k lore died the instant the story passed the year 40999.
>mounting bog standard guardsmen skulls on pikes
That's about as ridiculous as carrying around grot heads or ripper bodies as trophies. Wouldn't Abaddon want to mount more important heads on his pikes?