>Whose predecessor did everything it did but better?
Still strange to me that Persona 3 is the best one, and the remake will still be slept on in comparison to P5 because it's not as new as P5.
So it's an overrated piece of shit. Whose predecessor did everything it did but better?
I can't frick my teacher in a maid outfit in persona 1-4
>Whose predecessor did everything it did but better?
Still strange to me that Persona 3 is the best one, and the remake will still be slept on in comparison to P5 because it's not as new as P5.
that implies ff 1-4 are good which there not. and ff5 is a bit boring with too many not that interesting filler arcs but i can see an argument for that at least
Listen I really liked Persona 5 but this game didn't do anything the other games didn't do except just present it in a more sTyLish WAOW packaging. The combat is just vanilla JRPG combat out there minus some good animations yet they somehow make it even more boring by making every fight exploit enemy element weakness and then all out attack. And the biggest reason anyone still talks about this game is the dating sim waifu shit
Not even close lmao. FF7 was massive step forward not just for JRPGs but for games as a whole into the realm of 3D
>this game didn't do anything the other games didn't do except just present it in a more sTyLish WAOW packaging
It removed scrolling to pick options like skills/attack/defend/persona and slapped a whole bunch of stupid buttons all over the screen. This saves young folk nanoseconds and a button press, which is huge to permanently caffeinated ADHD moronic "gamers" of today.
Those games weren't the first 3D games either, and it certainly didn't purely "copy" RE1 and tomb raider, but what I'm saying is that FF7 was among some of the first pioneering 3D games. Even more so in the genre of JRPGs.
>FF7 was among some of the first pioneering 3D games
nope sorry, 1996 was the year games like RE1, Tomb Raider, Crash Bandicoot and Mario64 pushed 3D gaming into the mainstream
Final homosexualry 7 was late to the party
Everyone's played P3 at this point and the consensus is that it's just not as good as P5. Look at the steam reviews and you'll understand everything you need to know. P3R will also underperform because it's just not as good as P5 setting-wise or gameplay wise. No one with a brain wants to grind Tartarus for 80 hours, all the while pretending it's better than Mementos.
When I played P3 FES for the first time (finished it and beat Elizabeth, just to make sure I wasn't missing something), I left the game amused at how adamant P3-gays thought they were right about P5 being not as good, because it was one of the most overhyped pieces of shit I've ever played alongside Xenoblade 1.
Games with grinds at the forefront of their gameplay aren't good, and anyone who says otherwise is a coping trannoid stuck in neverland.
I'd rather the genre die or stay niche than be revitalized by Persona 5 and any potential imitators it spawns. Fricking Atlus got mainstream attention at the worst possible point of their history.
It's only "normalgay slop" because it was successful. Before P5 released, it was embarrassing to admit you liked anime in public, but it's not anymore. That is a testament to just how good P5 is.
Cope, Kaneko-gay. Your favorite "games" (grindfests) were never good.
>all the people in the comments pretending P5 isn't universally recognized as one of the greatest games of all time a feat almost no JRPG in the past 25 years has even come close to accomplishing
I'm not a big fan of Persona 5 or kotaku but this is a correct take. JRPGs from 2009 onwards were on a pretty clear decline internationally. FF13 killed a lot of whatever interest there was in the sub-genre and all the Japanese companies chasing western audiences during the 7th and 8th gens made something like traditional JRPGs an increasingly niche sub-genre.
Before P5, JRPGs were basically exiled to the handheld world of the DS and 3DS. Aside from FF and the occasional Tales Of game, JRPGs had left the console space near entirely and gone to the platform that was most popular with Japanese audiences who still liked them generally. This had the knock-on effect of dropping the budgets for JRPGs which further alienated them from Western audiences and their AAA obsession.
P5 did a lot to at least remind people on console that JRPGs could be fun and good and not nonsensical FFXIII bullshit or Neptunia schlock. It's not the best JRPG in the world but it was the right JRPG for penetrating with a broader audience that had previously stopped caring about them.
>Use a false narrative to write an article.
Fricking hate journalists so fricking much, journalism is supposed to be objective but all journalists on a payroll are just a bunch of stooges for corporations.
P5 excelled because of aesthetics, but Persona had been on top of aesthetics in RPGs for a long time, and as for Japanese RPGs, they haven't been in danger of being a dying genre since...I don't even fricking know when. The biggest joke to me is that a lot of recent RPGs have been utilizing more action elements in RPGs, while P5 is classical turn based. P5 also doesn't circumvent the problems of modern day (J)RPGs, in which there are too many of them and they are too long.
>sub-genre
My autism goes off the charts in relation to people who think "JRPG" is a genre (or as you say, a sub-genre), it's not, it's just an RPG from Japan. Turn based RPGs (of which, people usually define JRPG with, along with being from Japan) are supposed to fall under the "classical" moniker because they more closely fit the mold to tabletop RPGs, which is also funny, because the type of RPGs that simulate tabletops the most are usually defined as dungeon RPGs, like Etrian Odyssey. I'm being a bit pedantic, but every time, I must remind the world that JRPG does not denote anything about how a video game plays. It's like how the modern day use of the world "liberal" has very little to do with classical liberalism. Words and their usage, matter. >JRPGs were basically exiled to the handheld world of the DS and 3DS
"Exiled?" RPGs have always enjoyed portables because of low overall development costs which means less risk on the project. I would argue that P5 succeeded on consoles because of cel-shading aesthetics and further refinement to the Persona series' gameplay. Instead of having to worry about big budget graphix, devs used stylish simplicity which bypasses the budget problem with RPGs and meant that if you surpass more than the niche market, you win big. P5 did.
>My autism goes off the charts in relation to people who think "JRPG" is a genre (or as you say, a sub-genre), it's not, it's just an RPG from Japan
I say sub-genre the same way people say "Western" for films that aren't narratively set in the Old West. There are structural and gameplay elements that are consistent in JRPGs, regardless of gameplay style.
Genre discussion obviously gets into semantics and pedantic hair-splitting. But my point is that just based on the pool of influences, hardware constraints and differing cultural values, RPGs in Japan developed along a distinctly different philosophy than RPGs in the West. That difference in design philosophy is what also creates the divide in genre. >I must remind the world that JRPG does not denote anything about how a video game plays
I think that genre of a game can describe everything from gameplay to progression system to narrative and visual motifs to graphical style. I think that when I look at JRPGs, I see certain basic priority differences compared to RPGs out of the West (Computer, Classic and Western). One is a greater emphasis on narrative linearity, with fewer outcomes for narrative plot threads than in Western games. Another is that there is generally a larger emphasis on the leveling (or farming) process as a primary gameplay loop whereas Western-developed RPGs typically will design their progression as something that is naturally completed over the course of golden-path playthroughs. >"Exiled?"
Yes, JRPGs have always enjoyed success on Portables but I mean primarily and disproportionately relegated to the handheld space where they once held greater prominence and popularity on consoles.
Compare the number of JRPG sales internationally during the PS1 and PS2 era compared to the PS3 era.
Ever per capita, they seem to be lower by my conservative estimates
>My autism goes off the charts in relation to people who think "JRPG" is a genre (or as you say, a sub-genre), it's not, it's just an RPG from Japan
Dark Souls is an RPG from Japan but nobody calls it a JRPG.
Sea of Stars is an RPG from Canada but everyone calls it a JRPG.
>Persona 5 is only six years old
oh god it's the skyrim effect all over again, the game feels like it's been out significantly longer because of all the FRICKING RE-RELEASES
It didn't
I said last 20 years
FF10 is 22 years ago
FF10 did 8.5m on ps2, 14m including the hd ports
because Bazzy needed to split X and X-2 to stop it from outselling XV
The frick are you talking about moron
10-2 is not 10 they are 2 game so why would both be counted as one game?
FF10 is sold more total than xv but that is 22 years old
I said last 20 years which means 2003 to 2023
ff10-2 released in 2003
ff10 was 2001
FF7 sold 14.4m as of November 2023 across 11 platforms in 27 years
FF10 sold 14m as of 2023 across 8 platforms in 22 years
XV sold 10m+ as of 2022 across 3 platforms in 5.5 years and is the 3rd highest selling FF
>not real JRPGs
What does "JRPG" even mean to you? Or in general, really? Why do people still use that term to describe RPGs that happen to have been made in Japan, especially if they don't want to use it to describe every game made in Japan?
JRPG as in only turn-based RPGs that happened to be made in Japan for example is a really silly thing to say. You might as well just stick with calling those turn-based RPGs and leave it at that.
XV is ONE game and sold 10m
Persona 5 only sold 7.2m with p5 and p5r combined, p5 strikers, dancing and tactica are 3 different games not the actual p5
XV 5m day 1
XV 6m first month
XV 7m in 1 year 2 months
XV 8.4m in 2 years
XV 9m in 3 years
XV 10m+ in 5.5 years (as of May 2022)
It is still the fastest selling FF to date even if it doesn't sell anything for the next 3 years
7R 3.5m in 3 days
7R 5m in 4 months
7R 7m in 3 years (as of Sep 2023)
It is selling worse than FF13, FF8, FF10, FF15 and og FF7
at least in P5 the time can only advance when you decide to move on unlike in garbage like Final homosexualry Lightning moron with cancer no fun allowed time limit
I made no comment on whether the game was good. When talking about a genre dying sales matter. I'm going to stop replying to you now as you are clearly moronic
>When talking about a genre dying sales matter
so you saying WRPG's are not dead because Bestiality Gay Tree and Shitfield sold very well?
survival horror is not dead because Anal Woke 2roon sold well?
kek kys
This series and Yakuza are the best examples of the past 5-6 years of the damage going mainstream can do by turning the fanbase into the Rick & Morty demographic.
>none of those were doing wel
yes they were you homosexual
IV and Apocalypse were one of the most popular JRPG's on the 3DS
and Dragon Quest 9 was big on the DS
No there were many mainstream turn based JRPGs, and then there weren't, which is why most JRPGs considered dropping the turn based model as a whole until persona 5 reignited(or showed) the interest, it's the same thing Dark Souls did for challenging games in 2011
4 months ago
Anonymous
>which is why most JRPGs considered dropping the turn based model as a whole until persona 5 reignited
Pokemon has been selling 10s of millions of copies of its turn-based JRPG for decades.
4 months ago
Anonymous
Pokemon is an anomaly that no other JRPG even comes close to, stop clinging on something that is clearly an exception, that's like saying soccer is a popular genre because Fifa is doing well even though every single soccer game that isn't fifa never sells well
XV flopped so hard it singlehandedly killed any future entries, it took 7R to revive it with fanservice
Cope more you loser, you will never be a real man
Fire Emblem. >"I-it's a tactics game!"
It counts, and I hate nu-Fire Emblem. Also note the use of your words "mainstream" and "dying." Lots of indie games are one and done, you don't need a big franchises to keep a genre alive. Metroidvanias are probably the best example of indie devs keeping alive a genre that the original devs and publishers long since abandoned. RPGs not being mainstream does not make them "dying," but if it keeps the morons away sure, RPGs are dead.
lets put this into perspective, Persona 5 sold more than, Dragon quest X, SMT IV, FE Awakening, FE fates COMBINED
>JRPGs >dying
Every fricking gacha game is a JRPG and Pokemon charts all the time.
refer to
Pokemon is an anomaly that no other JRPG even comes close to, stop clinging on something that is clearly an exception, that's like saying soccer is a popular genre because Fifa is doing well even though every single soccer game that isn't fifa never sells well
Pokemon is an anomaly that no other JRPG even comes close to, stop clinging on something that is clearly an exception, that's like saying soccer is a popular genre because Fifa is doing well even though every single soccer game that isn't fifa never sells well
Those Gacha JRPGs make more than Pokemon. it's not an anomaly like it's the only one at the top. Hell the OP is talking about Persona 5 being at the top too.
Honkai Star Rail is popular with a JRPG format but it's a gacha so you'll probably say it's an anomaly too right?
Honestly what is persona doing to different to say it saved JRPG because it's damn sure not it's Raid Shadow Legends tier combat.
>gacha
you gotta be shitting me, are you really telling me that live service slot machines are comparable to anything in this discussion? really? i want to you to think about that for a second
4 months ago
Anonymous
Gacha isnt a genre. It still fits the JRPG bills and it's not dying any time soon. TF2 and CSGO is a gacha game and you aint gonna act like it's not a shooting game tho.
4 months ago
Anonymous
the main draw of CSGO is still the shooting, nobody plays gacha for the turned based combat, they play for the waifus, hell nobody wants to touch the combat to the point where there is an auto mode and speed up in every turn based gacha game now
4 months ago
Anonymous
>nobody plays gacha for the turned based combat
You think people play Persona and Pokemon for the gameplay? I can tell you right now they dont give a frick about the gameplay. They care about character story hell even the music more than the gameplay. >hell nobody wants to touch the combat to the point where there is an auto mode and speed up in every turn based gacha game now
I can tell you havent played a recent console JPRG because all of them do this now. Pokemon does this, the One Piece JRPG does it, Persona 5 does it in the pic with act freely, even the new Altus game have it.
4 months ago
Anonymous
>You think people play Persona and Pokemon for the gameplay?
collecting monsters and using them in combat is the main draw of both games, with much more strategy in persona, the games are built around this concept.
gacha games are built around gambling for waifus and that is its main draw, the combat is a side thing which is why it's extremely simplistic that even pokemon looks complex in comparison.
pretending that live service games are considered " turn based JRPGs" is an extremely desperate attempt to make the genre seem relevant, which sort of proves my point because trust me in any other big genre you'll never need to cite gacha games
4 months ago
Anonymous
>collecting monsters and using them in combat is the main draw of both games
Persona 5 literally get praised more for it's stylish menus over it's gameplay. Also take a trip to >>>/vp/ and tell how many people are talking about the gameplay. good luck finding a thread for gameplay >gacha games are built around gambling for waifus and that is its main draw, the combat is a side thing which is why it's extremely simplistic that even pokemon looks complex in comparison
The main draw is that it's F2P first and foremost. There is literally no JRPG retro to modern that's considered complex in the slightest. It's always attack enemy weakness for critical damage or use strongest attack >pretending that live service games are considered " turn based JRPGs" is an extremely desperate attempt to make the genre seem relevant, which sort of proves my point because trust me in any other big genre you'll never need to cite gacha games
Gacha is a Japanese term and the biggest genre for it in japan is JRPGs. That's why Gacha is associated with waifus. Western terms are Lootbox, Live service, freemium, GAAS and etc. Western games arent going to start marketing themselves as Gacha.
4 months ago
Anonymous
>Also take a trip to >>>/vp/ and tell how many people are talking about the gameplay. Good luck finding a thread for gameplay
Ok anon
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Is that enough gameplay threads for you, or are you going to just lie and/or ignore me for your moronic strawman.
4 months ago
Anonymous
NTA but you are being disingenuous here
You can say the same to gacha genre with all the meta tier list, pull value,.... in all gacha games
4 months ago
Anonymous
what the frick are you talking about. he said people dont talk about gameplay on /vp/ and I went and found threads that were specifically talking about gameplay. also >NTA
yes you fricking are dont you lie, only the person i was replying to would be so moronic as to try to damage control.
4 months ago
Anonymous
You know I take a longer time to reply just to rebutted all of your shitty claim, isnt me
Most of the threads you posted is about gameplay. The DLC thread isnt. But out of 150 active threads it's not even 10% about gameplay.
I appreciate the autism you have to actually go there but it was for nothing sense it still proves my point.
Even the other guy disproved your point by showing gacha gamers talking about gameplay too and not just waifus
4 months ago
Anonymous
>Even the other guy disproved your point by showing gacha gamers talking about gameplay too and not just waifus
But i never said anything about gachas, literally not once, ever, are you perhaps some moronic newbie who thinks every person who replies to you is the same person. You claimed something, i joined this thread, i read your claim, i knew it was moronic, i showed how moronic you are, and no amount of damage control will save you. I am not who you were talking to before, i dont care about gacha games, of course a lot of them talk about gacha mechanics, rng, pity systems, etc etc. Who the frick cares? Literal whataboutism. You were completely destroyed, admit it and stop posting
4 months ago
Anonymous
>You were completely destroyed, admit it and stop posting
The point was JRPGs can still be Gacha games. How am I wrong? And once you say something stupid ill just reply with my previous post
4 months ago
Anonymous
>The point was JRPGs can still be Gacha games
But i never once said that they couldnt be, that was someone else. You made a compeltely different claim about the /vp/ board and were btfo homosexual holy frick you are insufferable. You know your inability to ever admit to being wrong is why you have no friends.
4 months ago
Anonymous
>You know your inability to ever admit to being wrong is why you have no friends
Projecting much. Also read
>You think people play Persona and Pokemon for the gameplay?
collecting monsters and using them in combat is the main draw of both games, with much more strategy in persona, the games are built around this concept.
gacha games are built around gambling for waifus and that is its main draw, the combat is a side thing which is why it's extremely simplistic that even pokemon looks complex in comparison.
pretending that live service games are considered " turn based JRPGs" is an extremely desperate attempt to make the genre seem relevant, which sort of proves my point because trust me in any other big genre you'll never need to cite gacha games
. The claim was most people only played pokemon for it's gameplay. There's a bunch of way to disprove that and looking at /vp/ is one.
You just read "find gameplay thread on /vp/" and posted a few thinking you won some award in a conversion you wasn't even a part of. I was definitely right about you being the autistic one.
4 months ago
Anonymous
Don't admit it. Keep posting. Last one standing wins.
4 months ago
Anonymous
but the autobattle in P5 just spams basic attacks
4 months ago
Anonymous
What do you gain from lying?
4 months ago
Anonymous
You can auto mode in Persona 5 and not get wiped in 2 turns? MegaTen has gotten too soft.
4 months ago
Anonymous
what would be the point of a feature that doesnt work
4 months ago
Anonymous
To use it if you are massively overleveled. And by massively overlevelled I mean going back to a lower lvl area.
>Game sells more than other games. >"See, these franchises are dying!"
moron. And wasn't DQX an MMO and Japan only? What even is the perspective you're trying to sell me here? Post me a 3 page essay explaining what your point is, I totally promise I'll read it and not leave this thread and do something better with my time.
A good game can’t just be a good game. It has to be praised to the high heavens as a “revolutionary” game that upended the industry status quo.
The most vocal proponents of games like BG3, P5, etc. also (at least in my experience) happen to be newcomers who’re witnessing the genre for the first time so for them it feels world-upending.
Am I the only one that doesn't like the character designs in this series. They always look weird to me. Like their eyes are too far apart and the nose is long as frick in this example. The fanarts looks better.
Remember when Sony didn't give a single frick about Persona 5 until Nintendo wanted the game in Smash brothers and the game got nominated for Keighley's Game Awards?
Twitter really thinks that they're going to be able to ride a remake of P3 past P5 and it's hilarious
At most they'll get P3 labeled leftoid nonsense depending on how hard they try to irreversibly tie the robot wanting to be human story to their troony propaganda
>At most they'll get P3 labeled leftoid nonsense depending on how hard they try to irreversibly tie the robot wanting to be human story to their troony propaganda
the what
There's a whole main and side part of the story where one of the party members is frustrated because she's a machine and not a real girl. I'll let you figure the rest out yourself.
>the robot wanting to be human story to their troony propaganda
man want to be a woman. that's it, how is that trying so hard to tie in propaganda you fricking moron
Being M rated is not the reason XVI bombed. Two M rated FF games worked before it (Type-0 and Jack's game). XVI bombed because:
>The combat is braindead and requires no strategy . It's fun the first few hours but it gets boring and repetitive fast >There is basically zero side content to take a break from the story. The ONLY side content is tedious, boring side quests which rewards are not even worth doing. And hunts. >The pacing of the story is godawful. Things happen so fricking fast and then absolutely nothing happens for hours and then suddenly plot going 100 mph again >The characters are mostly bland. The only good character is Cid and he dies like halfway through the game >There is basically no exploration. >Story takes itself way too serious and becomes a slog to get through. No fun allowed >Story completely falls apart in the 3rd act
>barry is such a schizo he just copy pastes his text from other threads into completely unrelated ones
barry jesus fricking christ you need to get a life
He also posts as the zelda/link shipper, he also tried to egg on DMC players against other anons, the guy didnt even beat 15 hes a absolute loser whos in love with Aranea and wrote fan fiction about fricking his own mother
And the worst: hes brown
>Turns out people DO love romances and datesim elements in roleplaying games, as long as they are not dogshit and let you choose from multiple options because gamers lonely sex starved people
Who would have fricking thought?
>it revived a dying genre
What exactly would change if P5 didn't exist? If the prevailing reddit and eceleb opinion is WHOA THIS GAME IS ACTUALLY GOOD UNLIKE ALL OTHER JRPGS THAT ARE ALL GARBAGE how could it revive anything?
If this is meant to stir up anger towards kotaku for suggesting JRPG's are a dying genre... as much as i hate them, they are 100% correct.
>as much as i hate them, they are 100% correct
except about jrps dying
P5 is the modern day equivalent of FF7
So it's an overrated piece of shit. Whose predecessor did everything it did but better?
Yes Fursona 3 is best
I can't frick my teacher in a maid outfit in persona 1-4
Maid outfit was the worst part of the Kawakami romance.
>Whose predecessor did everything it did but better?
Still strange to me that Persona 3 is the best one, and the remake will still be slept on in comparison to P5 because it's not as new as P5.
>game plays like total shit
>remake not out yet is not as new as P5.
Huh??
that implies ff 1-4 are good which there not. and ff5 is a bit boring with too many not that interesting filler arcs but i can see an argument for that at least
Yeah, it even has the seething from fans of less popular jrpgs
Listen I really liked Persona 5 but this game didn't do anything the other games didn't do except just present it in a more sTyLish WAOW packaging. The combat is just vanilla JRPG combat out there minus some good animations yet they somehow make it even more boring by making every fight exploit enemy element weakness and then all out attack. And the biggest reason anyone still talks about this game is the dating sim waifu shit
Not even close lmao. FF7 was massive step forward not just for JRPGs but for games as a whole into the realm of 3D
>this game didn't do anything the other games didn't do except just present it in a more sTyLish WAOW packaging
It removed scrolling to pick options like skills/attack/defend/persona and slapped a whole bunch of stupid buttons all over the screen. This saves young folk nanoseconds and a button press, which is huge to permanently caffeinated ADHD moronic "gamers" of today.
>but for games as a whole into the realm of 3D
wrong Black person, RE1 and Tomb Raider did that, Final homosexualry 7 just copied them
Those games weren't the first 3D games either, and it certainly didn't purely "copy" RE1 and tomb raider, but what I'm saying is that FF7 was among some of the first pioneering 3D games. Even more so in the genre of JRPGs.
>FF7 was among some of the first pioneering 3D games
nope sorry, 1996 was the year games like RE1, Tomb Raider, Crash Bandicoot and Mario64 pushed 3D gaming into the mainstream
Final homosexualry 7 was late to the party
All of those games were already late to the party by that definition lmao
pretty much true. FF7 and P5 are peak normie core. P3 and FF9 is the real kino that nobody bought or played.
>P3 and FF9 is the real kino that nobody bought or played.
Anon, I'm... sorry it had to be me to tell you this, but... it's not 2008 anymore
Everyone's played P3 at this point and the consensus is that it's just not as good as P5. Look at the steam reviews and you'll understand everything you need to know. P3R will also underperform because it's just not as good as P5 setting-wise or gameplay wise. No one with a brain wants to grind Tartarus for 80 hours, all the while pretending it's better than Mementos.
When I played P3 FES for the first time (finished it and beat Elizabeth, just to make sure I wasn't missing something), I left the game amused at how adamant P3-gays thought they were right about P5 being not as good, because it was one of the most overhyped pieces of shit I've ever played alongside Xenoblade 1.
Games with grinds at the forefront of their gameplay aren't good, and anyone who says otherwise is a coping trannoid stuck in neverland.
Too bad it's story sucks ass
so just like FFVII heh gottem
It's embarrassing because it's true.
I'd rather the genre die or stay niche than be revitalized by Persona 5 and any potential imitators it spawns. Fricking Atlus got mainstream attention at the worst possible point of their history.
>and any potential imitators
P5 is the imitator lol
What would you say is the most stylish JRPG ever if not Persona 5?
Twewy
it's more adventurous and i prefer it, but doesn't really have the budget to compete
Too bad they put a slur in one of the songs.
moronos complaining about retatdendo
remember that xhe was fired for this twitter temper tantrum after the website realized xhe was full of shit and there was no slur.
Really? That is funny if true.
I Love Haru and I want the whole thread to know it!
king shit
troonsona 5 had babby tier combat and most of it is a vn.
Samegay schizo
>noo you have to circle jerk my normalgay slop!!
have a nice day
He's still right. VW is the only thing of value from shatlus
It's only "normalgay slop" because it was successful. Before P5 released, it was embarrassing to admit you liked anime in public, but it's not anymore. That is a testament to just how good P5 is.
Cope, Kaneko-gay. Your favorite "games" (grindfests) were never good.
I semi-reacted, then I remember that garbage like Monark and The Caligula Effect 2 exist. Kotaku is right.
>getting filtered by Caligula
SAD!
I liked these games better than Persona 5
>all the people in the comments pretending P5 isn't universally recognized as one of the greatest games of all time a feat almost no JRPG in the past 25 years has even come close to accomplishing
yeah i know p5 sucks ass
I'm not a big fan of Persona 5 or kotaku but this is a correct take. JRPGs from 2009 onwards were on a pretty clear decline internationally. FF13 killed a lot of whatever interest there was in the sub-genre and all the Japanese companies chasing western audiences during the 7th and 8th gens made something like traditional JRPGs an increasingly niche sub-genre.
Before P5, JRPGs were basically exiled to the handheld world of the DS and 3DS. Aside from FF and the occasional Tales Of game, JRPGs had left the console space near entirely and gone to the platform that was most popular with Japanese audiences who still liked them generally. This had the knock-on effect of dropping the budgets for JRPGs which further alienated them from Western audiences and their AAA obsession.
P5 did a lot to at least remind people on console that JRPGs could be fun and good and not nonsensical FFXIII bullshit or Neptunia schlock. It's not the best JRPG in the world but it was the right JRPG for penetrating with a broader audience that had previously stopped caring about them.
>Use a false narrative to write an article.
Fricking hate journalists so fricking much, journalism is supposed to be objective but all journalists on a payroll are just a bunch of stooges for corporations.
P5 excelled because of aesthetics, but Persona had been on top of aesthetics in RPGs for a long time, and as for Japanese RPGs, they haven't been in danger of being a dying genre since...I don't even fricking know when. The biggest joke to me is that a lot of recent RPGs have been utilizing more action elements in RPGs, while P5 is classical turn based. P5 also doesn't circumvent the problems of modern day (J)RPGs, in which there are too many of them and they are too long.
>sub-genre
My autism goes off the charts in relation to people who think "JRPG" is a genre (or as you say, a sub-genre), it's not, it's just an RPG from Japan. Turn based RPGs (of which, people usually define JRPG with, along with being from Japan) are supposed to fall under the "classical" moniker because they more closely fit the mold to tabletop RPGs, which is also funny, because the type of RPGs that simulate tabletops the most are usually defined as dungeon RPGs, like Etrian Odyssey. I'm being a bit pedantic, but every time, I must remind the world that JRPG does not denote anything about how a video game plays. It's like how the modern day use of the world "liberal" has very little to do with classical liberalism. Words and their usage, matter.
>JRPGs were basically exiled to the handheld world of the DS and 3DS
"Exiled?" RPGs have always enjoyed portables because of low overall development costs which means less risk on the project. I would argue that P5 succeeded on consoles because of cel-shading aesthetics and further refinement to the Persona series' gameplay. Instead of having to worry about big budget graphix, devs used stylish simplicity which bypasses the budget problem with RPGs and meant that if you surpass more than the niche market, you win big. P5 did.
>My autism goes off the charts in relation to people who think "JRPG" is a genre (or as you say, a sub-genre), it's not, it's just an RPG from Japan
I say sub-genre the same way people say "Western" for films that aren't narratively set in the Old West. There are structural and gameplay elements that are consistent in JRPGs, regardless of gameplay style.
Genre discussion obviously gets into semantics and pedantic hair-splitting. But my point is that just based on the pool of influences, hardware constraints and differing cultural values, RPGs in Japan developed along a distinctly different philosophy than RPGs in the West. That difference in design philosophy is what also creates the divide in genre.
>I must remind the world that JRPG does not denote anything about how a video game plays
I think that genre of a game can describe everything from gameplay to progression system to narrative and visual motifs to graphical style. I think that when I look at JRPGs, I see certain basic priority differences compared to RPGs out of the West (Computer, Classic and Western). One is a greater emphasis on narrative linearity, with fewer outcomes for narrative plot threads than in Western games. Another is that there is generally a larger emphasis on the leveling (or farming) process as a primary gameplay loop whereas Western-developed RPGs typically will design their progression as something that is naturally completed over the course of golden-path playthroughs.
>"Exiled?"
Yes, JRPGs have always enjoyed success on Portables but I mean primarily and disproportionately relegated to the handheld space where they once held greater prominence and popularity on consoles.
Compare the number of JRPG sales internationally during the PS1 and PS2 era compared to the PS3 era.
Ever per capita, they seem to be lower by my conservative estimates
>My autism goes off the charts in relation to people who think "JRPG" is a genre (or as you say, a sub-genre), it's not, it's just an RPG from Japan
Dark Souls is an RPG from Japan but nobody calls it a JRPG.
Sea of Stars is an RPG from Canada but everyone calls it a JRPG.
It wasn't dying and persona 5 didn't "revive" it but to be completely fair I don't think anybody can argue that p5 isn't stylish as hell
looks like yukari and akechi at the same time
Frick, I cannot UNSEE it.
>Persona 5 is only six years old
oh god it's the skyrim effect all over again, the game feels like it's been out significantly longer because of all the FRICKING RE-RELEASES
It's had 2 rereleases lol, which is less than most of Capcom's catalogue
P5 is so overrated no wonder Sega didnt lower its price at all on PC
ffxv is the highest selling (non pokemon) jrpg of the modern era though
In your dreams maybe lmao
It literally is
In the last 20 years of JRPG
XV is literally the highest selling non pokemon one
FFXV (2016) 10m+
FF13 (2009) 7.7m
Nier Automata (2017) 7.5m
FF12 (2005) 7.4m
Persona 5 (2016) 7.2m
FF7R (2020) 7m
KH2 (2005) 7m
KH3 (2019) 6.7m
FF10-2 (2003) 6.5m
DQ11 (2017) 6.5m
Persona 5 just recently hit 10mil sold as well
https://twitter.com/Atlus_West/status/1735796959343190092
Persona 5 SERIES you blind Black person, that's 5 fricking different games
Persona 5 the game is only at 7.2m
how the frick a money grab like 10-2 outsold 10?
coomers are fricking subhumans no wonder Near A Tomato: Butt Bait Edition sold that much
because Bazzy needed to split X and X-2 to stop it from outselling XV
It didn't
I said last 20 years
FF10 is 22 years ago
FF10 did 8.5m on ps2, 14m including the hd ports
The frick are you talking about moron
10-2 is not 10 they are 2 game so why would both be counted as one game?
FF10 is sold more total than xv but that is 22 years old
I said last 20 years which means 2003 to 2023
ff10-2 released in 2003
ff10 was 2001
FF7 sold 14.4m as of November 2023 across 11 platforms in 27 years
FF10 sold 14m as of 2023 across 8 platforms in 22 years
XV sold 10m+ as of 2022 across 3 platforms in 5.5 years and is the 3rd highest selling FF
Lmao Barry youre a moronic homosexual
16 not only is a better game, a better Final Fantasy but also sold more
Cope more you troony freak incel loser
ARPGs are not real JRPGs
>not real JRPGs
What does "JRPG" even mean to you? Or in general, really? Why do people still use that term to describe RPGs that happen to have been made in Japan, especially if they don't want to use it to describe every game made in Japan?
JRPG as in only turn-based RPGs that happened to be made in Japan for example is a really silly thing to say. You might as well just stick with calling those turn-based RPGs and leave it at that.
too bad that XV lost to P5 for RPG of the Year
and I doubt your 10 million copies "sales figure" is true
XV outsold P5
journo awards mean literally nothing
How fricking moronic are you
cope
>persona 5 series
so 5 games you stupid frick?
XV is ONE game and sold 10m
Persona 5 only sold 7.2m with p5 and p5r combined, p5 strikers, dancing and tactica are 3 different games not the actual p5
if xv is so good why didn't they make an xv-2
Because when xv was started under tabata the first thing tabata cemented was that they don't want to do any sequel
and then they made Forspoken and look at what happened there.
Game bombed so hard that Luminous Productions DIED with it's shit gameplay and Borderlands tier writing
>No response
Shitry in shambles KEK. Yoship is fricking his mom RIGHT NOW!
>Persona 5 SERIES
So not just Persona 5?
So are all P5gays just illiterate?
The Final Fantasy series sold 185 million, that doesn't mean one FF game sold 185 million
>muh sales!
and yet FFXV manages to have worse reviews and a lower completion rate, lol.
Didn't VII remake sell better than XV?
No
XV 5m day 1
XV 6m first month
XV 7m in 1 year 2 months
XV 8.4m in 2 years
XV 9m in 3 years
XV 10m+ in 5.5 years (as of May 2022)
It is still the fastest selling FF to date even if it doesn't sell anything for the next 3 years
7R 3.5m in 3 days
7R 5m in 4 months
7R 7m in 3 years (as of Sep 2023)
It is selling worse than FF13, FF8, FF10, FF15 and og FF7
The best modern JRPG, still living rent free in anon's minds.
Taro said it best.
>Aegis Rim
That's in Persona 3, not 5.
Taro is an overrated hack
>non-binary rim
>good
>anon gets triggered by the fact that an extremely androgynous girly boy crossdresses in order to disguise themself while being a spy
Pokemon makes a trillion dollars every year but jrpgs are dying?
Pokemon isn't a JRPG, it's a monster collecting game. It's like comparing an orange with a tangerine.
As opposed to persona and smt which are?????
Persona is a vn with babby's first turn based combat slapped on
>Persona is a vn with babby's first turn based combat slapped on
And SMT? What's your excuse for that?
>pokemon isn't a JRPG
I've never seen so much cope in my life.
They mean a good JRPG, not Pokémon garbage.
>good JRPG
So none of them
Never played persona and never will. Hard, sweaty, sex with Futaba.
why is he doing the Doctor Who hand thing
if i wanted to play something timegated I'd go to the google play store.
at least in P5 the time can only advance when you decide to move on unlike in garbage like Final homosexualry Lightning moron with cancer no fun allowed time limit
>least moron falseflagger
the frick you're on schizo?
I know it beat out FF15 for RPG of the Year at the 2017 Game Awards
Gaysona couldn't save shit. Atlus games aren't JRPGs
theyre posting this shit on christmas eve, diabolical behavior
>P3 did great
>P4 did better
>P5 did even better
That's an upward trend, how the frick was it "dying"
>P4 did better
lol P4 was garbage the absolute worst numbered Persona game
You fricking moron, I don't care what your opinion of the game is, the game sold better
>this piece of shit sold better therefore it's actually good!!!
I made no comment on whether the game was good. When talking about a genre dying sales matter. I'm going to stop replying to you now as you are clearly moronic
>When talking about a genre dying sales matter
so you saying WRPG's are not dead because Bestiality Gay Tree and Shitfield sold very well?
survival horror is not dead because Anal Woke 2roon sold well?
kek kys
>Dying genre
It's sad but kind of true. Modern gamers are in fact morons who don't have the critical thinking for basic fricking math.
This series and Yakuza are the best examples of the past 5-6 years of the damage going mainstream can do by turning the fanbase into the Rick & Morty demographic.
kek true, yakuza 7 was terrible but newbies still shilled it to hell and back
>dying genre
Did Kotaku forget that Pokemon is a JRPG?
name one mainstream turned based JRPG that wasn't dying before persona 5 other than pokemon
Shin Megami Tensei (IV and Apocalypse did good)
Dragon's Quest
none of those were doing well, or are mainstream outside of Japan
>none of those were doing wel
yes they were you homosexual
IV and Apocalypse were one of the most popular JRPG's on the 3DS
and Dragon Quest 9 was big on the DS
>IV and Apocalypse were one of the most popular JRPG's on the 3DS
>and Dragon Quest 9 was big on the DS
Post sales numbers.
Allmighty attack anon!
SMTIV sold 600k in 3 years anon, it's only popular or mainstream if you're an out of touch or delusional moron
600k is a lot for a pretty niche jrpg to be fair
if we take your logic, there were no mainstream turn based rpg outside of Pokemon or FF at first
No there were many mainstream turn based JRPGs, and then there weren't, which is why most JRPGs considered dropping the turn based model as a whole until persona 5 reignited(or showed) the interest, it's the same thing Dark Souls did for challenging games in 2011
>which is why most JRPGs considered dropping the turn based model as a whole until persona 5 reignited
Pokemon has been selling 10s of millions of copies of its turn-based JRPG for decades.
Pokemon is an anomaly that no other JRPG even comes close to, stop clinging on something that is clearly an exception, that's like saying soccer is a popular genre because Fifa is doing well even though every single soccer game that isn't fifa never sells well
Final Fantasy.
hasn't been turn based since 10
7R flopped
ff16 flopped
kh3 flopped
kh2 flopped
xv sold better than all of them and is better than all of them
Barry being moronic again it seems
XV flopped so hard it singlehandedly killed any future entries, it took 7R to revive it with fanservice
Cope more you loser, you will never be a real man
Fire Emblem.
>"I-it's a tactics game!"
It counts, and I hate nu-Fire Emblem. Also note the use of your words "mainstream" and "dying." Lots of indie games are one and done, you don't need a big franchises to keep a genre alive. Metroidvanias are probably the best example of indie devs keeping alive a genre that the original devs and publishers long since abandoned. RPGs not being mainstream does not make them "dying," but if it keeps the morons away sure, RPGs are dead.
lets put this into perspective, Persona 5 sold more than, Dragon quest X, SMT IV, FE Awakening, FE fates COMBINED
refer to
Those Gacha JRPGs make more than Pokemon. it's not an anomaly like it's the only one at the top. Hell the OP is talking about Persona 5 being at the top too.
Honkai Star Rail is popular with a JRPG format but it's a gacha so you'll probably say it's an anomaly too right?
Honestly what is persona doing to different to say it saved JRPG because it's damn sure not it's Raid Shadow Legends tier combat.
>gacha
you gotta be shitting me, are you really telling me that live service slot machines are comparable to anything in this discussion? really? i want to you to think about that for a second
Gacha isnt a genre. It still fits the JRPG bills and it's not dying any time soon. TF2 and CSGO is a gacha game and you aint gonna act like it's not a shooting game tho.
the main draw of CSGO is still the shooting, nobody plays gacha for the turned based combat, they play for the waifus, hell nobody wants to touch the combat to the point where there is an auto mode and speed up in every turn based gacha game now
>nobody plays gacha for the turned based combat
You think people play Persona and Pokemon for the gameplay? I can tell you right now they dont give a frick about the gameplay. They care about character story hell even the music more than the gameplay.
>hell nobody wants to touch the combat to the point where there is an auto mode and speed up in every turn based gacha game now
I can tell you havent played a recent console JPRG because all of them do this now. Pokemon does this, the One Piece JRPG does it, Persona 5 does it in the pic with act freely, even the new Altus game have it.
>You think people play Persona and Pokemon for the gameplay?
collecting monsters and using them in combat is the main draw of both games, with much more strategy in persona, the games are built around this concept.
gacha games are built around gambling for waifus and that is its main draw, the combat is a side thing which is why it's extremely simplistic that even pokemon looks complex in comparison.
pretending that live service games are considered " turn based JRPGs" is an extremely desperate attempt to make the genre seem relevant, which sort of proves my point because trust me in any other big genre you'll never need to cite gacha games
>collecting monsters and using them in combat is the main draw of both games
Persona 5 literally get praised more for it's stylish menus over it's gameplay. Also take a trip to >>>/vp/ and tell how many people are talking about the gameplay. good luck finding a thread for gameplay
>gacha games are built around gambling for waifus and that is its main draw, the combat is a side thing which is why it's extremely simplistic that even pokemon looks complex in comparison
The main draw is that it's F2P first and foremost. There is literally no JRPG retro to modern that's considered complex in the slightest. It's always attack enemy weakness for critical damage or use strongest attack
>pretending that live service games are considered " turn based JRPGs" is an extremely desperate attempt to make the genre seem relevant, which sort of proves my point because trust me in any other big genre you'll never need to cite gacha games
Gacha is a Japanese term and the biggest genre for it in japan is JRPGs. That's why Gacha is associated with waifus. Western terms are Lootbox, Live service, freemium, GAAS and etc. Western games arent going to start marketing themselves as Gacha.
>Also take a trip to >>>/vp/ and tell how many people are talking about the gameplay. Good luck finding a thread for gameplay
Ok anon
Is that enough gameplay threads for you, or are you going to just lie and/or ignore me for your moronic strawman.
NTA but you are being disingenuous here
You can say the same to gacha genre with all the meta tier list, pull value,.... in all gacha games
what the frick are you talking about. he said people dont talk about gameplay on /vp/ and I went and found threads that were specifically talking about gameplay. also
>NTA
yes you fricking are dont you lie, only the person i was replying to would be so moronic as to try to damage control.
You know I take a longer time to reply just to rebutted all of your shitty claim, isnt me
Most of the threads you posted is about gameplay. The DLC thread isnt. But out of 150 active threads it's not even 10% about gameplay.
I appreciate the autism you have to actually go there but it was for nothing sense it still proves my point.
Even the other guy disproved your point by showing gacha gamers talking about gameplay too and not just waifus
>Even the other guy disproved your point by showing gacha gamers talking about gameplay too and not just waifus
But i never said anything about gachas, literally not once, ever, are you perhaps some moronic newbie who thinks every person who replies to you is the same person. You claimed something, i joined this thread, i read your claim, i knew it was moronic, i showed how moronic you are, and no amount of damage control will save you. I am not who you were talking to before, i dont care about gacha games, of course a lot of them talk about gacha mechanics, rng, pity systems, etc etc. Who the frick cares? Literal whataboutism. You were completely destroyed, admit it and stop posting
>You were completely destroyed, admit it and stop posting
The point was JRPGs can still be Gacha games. How am I wrong? And once you say something stupid ill just reply with my previous post
>The point was JRPGs can still be Gacha games
But i never once said that they couldnt be, that was someone else. You made a compeltely different claim about the /vp/ board and were btfo homosexual holy frick you are insufferable. You know your inability to ever admit to being wrong is why you have no friends.
>You know your inability to ever admit to being wrong is why you have no friends
Projecting much. Also read
. The claim was most people only played pokemon for it's gameplay. There's a bunch of way to disprove that and looking at /vp/ is one.
You just read "find gameplay thread on /vp/" and posted a few thinking you won some award in a conversion you wasn't even a part of. I was definitely right about you being the autistic one.
Don't admit it. Keep posting. Last one standing wins.
but the autobattle in P5 just spams basic attacks
What do you gain from lying?
You can auto mode in Persona 5 and not get wiped in 2 turns? MegaTen has gotten too soft.
what would be the point of a feature that doesnt work
To use it if you are massively overleveled. And by massively overlevelled I mean going back to a lower lvl area.
>he didn't play P3
>Game sells more than other games.
>"See, these franchises are dying!"
moron. And wasn't DQX an MMO and Japan only? What even is the perspective you're trying to sell me here? Post me a 3 page essay explaining what your point is, I totally promise I'll read it and not leave this thread and do something better with my time.
>Revived a dying genre
Kotaku can’t resist baiting people for engagement
Why are P5 fans so vocal compared to other JRPG fans?
Because it’s the same group of people that like BG3.
It’s just how they are.
I usually leave a thread or get sidetracked once someone brings up BG3. What are they like?
A good game can’t just be a good game. It has to be praised to the high heavens as a “revolutionary” game that upended the industry status quo.
The most vocal proponents of games like BG3, P5, etc. also (at least in my experience) happen to be newcomers who’re witnessing the genre for the first time so for them it feels world-upending.
shame LAL is un-discussable on this website due to the princess and hero's relationship
I was hanging out over there. Yep. Good times.
Am I the only one that doesn't like the character designs in this series. They always look weird to me. Like their eyes are too far apart and the nose is long as frick in this example. The fanarts looks better.
We had to wait for a PS3 GAME to save RPG in 2017.....4 years into the PS4s life....
>JRPGs
>dying
Every fricking gacha game is a JRPG and Pokemon charts all the time.
IT'S NOT CENSORSHIP CHUDS
>censorship is when developers remove cringey shit from their games
that scene was not funny regardless of the controversy
I was playing P5 on the PS3. put 150 hours into it, then i was done. no royal for me, no tactica either. i just don't want to replay it again.
Why are people always angry?
because of toxoplasmosis you're spreading you furry Black person
Anon, projecting your furhomosexualry into strangers, isn't a good way to deal with your degeneracy
Remember when Sony didn't give a single frick about Persona 5 until Nintendo wanted the game in Smash brothers and the game got nominated for Keighley's Game Awards?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=DOfTk2wkJ18
Twitter really thinks that they're going to be able to ride a remake of P3 past P5 and it's hilarious
At most they'll get P3 labeled leftoid nonsense depending on how hard they try to irreversibly tie the robot wanting to be human story to their troony propaganda
>At most they'll get P3 labeled leftoid nonsense depending on how hard they try to irreversibly tie the robot wanting to be human story to their troony propaganda
the what
There's a whole main and side part of the story where one of the party members is frustrated because she's a machine and not a real girl. I'll let you figure the rest out yourself.
>the robot wanting to be human story to their troony propaganda
man want to be a woman. that's it, how is that trying so hard to tie in propaganda you fricking moron
hahahahahahahaha
Barry won
nice try barry.
The contest for biggest loser in this entire board? Yes he won hands down
Being M rated is not the reason XVI bombed. Two M rated FF games worked before it (Type-0 and Jack's game). XVI bombed because:
>The combat is braindead and requires no strategy . It's fun the first few hours but it gets boring and repetitive fast
>There is basically zero side content to take a break from the story. The ONLY side content is tedious, boring side quests which rewards are not even worth doing. And hunts.
>The pacing of the story is godawful. Things happen so fricking fast and then absolutely nothing happens for hours and then suddenly plot going 100 mph again
>The characters are mostly bland. The only good character is Cid and he dies like halfway through the game
>There is basically no exploration.
>Story takes itself way too serious and becomes a slog to get through. No fun allowed
>Story completely falls apart in the 3rd act
>barry is such a schizo he just copy pastes his text from other threads into completely unrelated ones
barry jesus fricking christ you need to get a life
But enough about Dragon Quest 11
I wish I could be as passionate about a game as barry is about ffxv
He also posts as the zelda/link shipper, he also tried to egg on DMC players against other anons, the guy didnt even beat 15 hes a absolute loser whos in love with Aranea and wrote fan fiction about fricking his own mother
And the worst: hes brown
Friendly reminder that even Max Dood thought XVI was "mid", even though he literally and unironically got paid to shill it.
don't care what this dumb homosexual thinks and neither should you
oh also forgot to say, merry christmas you dumb moron
>not very good
>8/10
what did it revive, i cant think of any 4 homies in a row games that are good and recent
>Most stylish JRPG
>anything besides TWEWY
>Turns out people DO love romances and datesim elements in roleplaying games, as long as they are not dogshit and let you choose from multiple options because gamers lonely sex starved people
Who would have fricking thought?
oy vey i smell shekels and goy tears
Merry Christmas personabros!
So what fricking kotaku is good now? Fricking moronic newbies
It's impressive how game journalists constantly reveal that they don't play games and how little they know about them.
>revived a dying genre
>it revived a dying genre
What exactly would change if P5 didn't exist? If the prevailing reddit and eceleb opinion is WHOA THIS GAME IS ACTUALLY GOOD UNLIKE ALL OTHER JRPGS THAT ARE ALL GARBAGE how could it revive anything?