For me personally majin buu wasn’t that interesting of a character. He’s kind of just this bland evil creature that’s evil because…. he was made to be? I get how that works practically but narratively it’s not that interesting.
He's literally supposed to represent chaos incarnate, and chaos isn't always evil, hence you had Fat Buu. I like the Buu storyline and what they did with it.
Frieza was still my favorite arc. Super Saiyan wasn't normalized then. It was still this legendary thing and when it finally happens it's wonderful.
Cell was fun but it's a super-contrived storyline. "Hmm, what can we do after Frieza? OHH I KNOW! We'll just say ever since Dragon Ball days this evil doctor homosexual has been secretly stealing the DNA of all these fighters, and NOBODY EVER FRICKING NOTICED IT! Then he makes the ultimate big bad! HECKIN' YES WE'RE GENIUSES!"
Do people hate Buu? People hate the buu saga because Gohan and Gotenks are such dogshit protagonists that Goku had to take their place to try and salvage the arc.
Buu is cool and deserved better heroes to fight.
>because Gohan and Gotenks are such dogshit protagonists
Because they were written that way, if people didn't cry because Goku was being replaced we'd maybe have had new cool protagonists.
Adult Gohan is just Daoist Superman and Gotenks is two dipshit kids everyone hated already. One being Dragon Ball Goku wholesale, and the other being a character people liked reduced to a joke. All he had going for him was a few cool attacks.
Buu saga feels like a "greatest hits"
the story/plot is messy and all over the place, but it has a lot of cool moments.
It's pure Saiyan fan service, it takes what made DBZ popular (screaming and powering up) and runs wild with it. It's self aware and good ol' fun. It does manage to fit some emotional moments in there (Vegeta's sacrifice for example).
Contrast to the Cell saga which took itself very seriously, it really felt like things were at stake.
Buu is kinda a strange character but I’d very Toriyama-esque. For him to be the ultimate villain of the original run makes complete sense when you look at what Toriyama likes to make. The Buu saga has a lot of problems with pacing and consistency like Super Saiyan 3 just… exists, kinda (not that glaring when not taking the extended canon into account but still) and how Gohan’s character changed, it’s definitely the worst of the four Z sagas but it’s still pretty enjoyable and Buu is a fine enough villain even with all his transformations just kind of insisting upon themselves as he’s a wacky blob creature that.
>Villain (like Cell) just gets less interesting over time with Super Buu being the most flat "I'm evil and powerful hahahaha" villain in the series. Kid Buu is a lot of fun though >Like five new powerups that exist just to exist, and amount to frick-all except for Buu surviving it and getting stronger
Just chiming in to say Golden Shower Frieza is the fricking lamest shit ever. He looks like he has been soaking in a fricking tub of 40 homeless Black folk' piss. It's the laziest attempt at bringing back an otherwise awesome villain.
Frick man, they had FOUR forms for him, and they were all different and really cool looking, how they evolved. They should have made him turn into something bigger and scarier like forms 2 and 3.
Dragon Ball has existed only to sell toys since Toriyama decided to dig up its grave 18 years after finishing it. Coming up with a creative and original form is counterintuitive to that purpose.
I agree for the most part. Namek is my favorite arc and RoF is my least favorite "arc". I'm fine with him coming back but I don't like Golden or Black but I also don't want him to have a 5th form like Cooler. I'd rather he have just gotten stronger through training his final form but unfortunately DB has become a parody of itself and a new form was inevitable. That being said, I do still hope they canonize Cooler and I'd be fine with him having a 5th form as it would differentiate him from Frieza.
You missed the entire fricking point behind Freeza’s character design. Higher transformations were never going to work because he isn’t meant to be scary, or intimidating or anything. He’s a plain-looking lizard man in his true form, betraying his actual sociopathy.
Giving him a form beyond that was always going to struggle because it goes against the original concept. Something like a 5th form would be absolutely awful for a character like Freeza. Forms like Golden and Black may be tacky but they at least don’t betray the entire goddamn premise of his character.
the whole point of frieza's form changes is that they are artificial and designed to CONTAIN his power rather than increase it
that being said, golden frieza is indeed shit and they had 5th form cooler right there to copy from
I think the same, but it's a bioarmor, since his previously armor also transforms and then it shiny gold. He wears an exoskeleton/bioarmor. He is "naked". Unless it's a magical armor.
Buu arc had great moments but the previous two were just peak DBZ. Kid Trunks and Goten, Gotenks, SSJ3, the mix of slice of life like the casual tournament that lead up to events, the daily life of Buu after he kills Babidi, and other things just made Buu arc feel like less stakes and thus less hype compared to Frieza/Androids/Cell. SSJ3 and Gotenks weren't some satisfying power up moment, they were just sorta transformations that lead to fighting with no resolution as they both still lost, and SSJ3 isn't even what defeated Buu.
No, actually, the game really isn't fun, and this is an entirely cynical marketing scheme to try and get you to replace the people that left last month.
Goku trains himself to the point where he can't stand up. That only works for him because of how Saiyans' cells heal.
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Goku has a talent for effective training.
You see this throughout Dragon Ball.
He pushes himself to the limit, but also understands the power of others.
He was the ONLY one who realized Gohan had surpassed him when training in the HTC.
Not even Piccolo who knows Gohan intimately, or Vegeta who had learned to sense energy, knew that Gohan was the strongest Super Saiyan after exiting the hyperbolic time chamber. Only Goku knew, and already planned/knew Gohan would beat Cell.
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I'm pretty sure that his confidence in Gohan was just the parental bond.
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>his confidence in Gohan was just the parental bond.
No it wasn't. Goku doesn't have parental emotions.
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Literally episode 1 when Raditz kidnaps Gohan, dumbass.
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He doesn't for Goten, but that's because Goten is shit.
the biggest plot hole in DBZ is why an old man in a basement managed to create robots more powerful than the galactic space hitler overlord of the universe with all the greatest scientists in the galaxy at his disposal.
Maybe he got really deep into the Saiyan genome or something and was able to extract a shitload of potential out of it. Could've changed the world with whatever energy breakthroughs that would've provided to the public if he wasn't drunk on revenge.
I mean obviously Toriyama just doesn't give a frick and does whatever but it's neat how Z still kinda gets away with shit you can logically handwave away for the most part.
Frieza and King Cold were on Earth long enough for their genes to get harvested for Cell. They also fight and get killed by a Super Saiyan, Goku in the original timeline and Trunks in the altered one. It's safe to say Gero was able to analyze their powers and enhance his androids to counter them.
there were a lot of scientists trying to kill Goku throughout DBZ, all with power rivaling or matching his own at the time. Dr. Gero was just the most calculating and intimate researcher.
Agreed. The only explanation that makes sense is that the Androids were created to be able to function efficiently at max power all the time unlike a person who would feel fatigue and eventually have to manage their energy output. That coupled with a person having to concentrate on said energy output whereas an android would have the mental capacity to analyze their opponent during battle and adjust to exploit weakness in technique. Cell would have been the apex of this design.
all Toriyama had to do was have a throwaway line of Gero salvaging mecha frieza parts and this seriously wouldn't be an issue, but glory of hindsight I guess
Hercule was always strong, for human standards, same as Videl, neither have received training to go beyond so they are still considered weak, even Yamcha is stronger than them.
Hercule is genuinely the best human martial artist on Earth who doesn't use any mystical techniques. He earned his title and his fame. But he's just a normal human being.
agreed that shit's dumb
frieza saga at least loosely made sense within its universe
The Androids were made using the Battle Data from the Saiyan Saga and were based on individuals who were already showed promise aside from 19, who was totally artificial, and 20 who was a copy of Gero made to carry on his work.
He actually wasn't a hack since he was the strongest fighter on the world when it's just regular martial arts and such. Though when everyone in the series uses Ki to do stuff then you're going to be nothing more than a chump when facing off against them with nothing more than simple human punches and kicks
hercule is strong in realistic normal human terms, i.e MMA fighter in real life
still nothing compared to yamcha,krillin,tien who are essentially superman
Hercule was always strong, for human standards, same as Videl, neither have received training to go beyond so they are still considered weak, even Yamcha is stronger than them.
videl learned to fly and manipulate ki energy to a limited degree, but yeah besides that she's realistically strong only. people forget she was overpowering spopovich and even broke his neck. the only reason he didn't succumb was due to majin magic
He actually wasn't a hack since he was the strongest fighter on the world when it's just regular martial arts and such. Though when everyone in the series uses Ki to do stuff then you're going to be nothing more than a chump when facing off against them with nothing more than simple human punches and kicks
Hercule is genuinely the best human martial artist on Earth who doesn't use any mystical techniques. He earned his title and his fame. But he's just a normal human being.
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The Androids were made using the Battle Data from the Saiyan Saga and were based on individuals who were already showed promise aside from 19, who was totally artificial, and 20 who was a copy of Gero made to carry on his work.
It's ridiculous how people praise Mr.Satan for being "actually strong bro!" but then shit on Yamcha, who is capable of flying at mach speeds, throw x100 punches in 1 second, and can easily blow up cities if not the entire planet if he wanted to, by firing nukes from his hands.
Yamcha the weakest Z Fighter (if you don't count Chiaotzu and Yajirobe) would still be considered a demi-god if he existed in real life. That just shows you how ridiculously OP the fiction of DBZ is when even being Super-Man is not enough.
toriyama treated both characters like memes.
but hercule paid off in the end, he actually become a pivotal character.
yamcha and tien just faded off into obscurity in the buu saga
>succesful baseball career >alpha jock sports Chad >had tons of girlfriends, could get any girl he wants in the city >doesn't need to lift weights in the gym, he can lift the gym building itself >financially well off since he knows Bulma >has a cool hover Ferrari sports car in the Buu saga, and aesthetic yellow suit >has a shapeshifting cat that can turn into anything he wants
Yamcha and his Sokidan are my favorite character and attack. I think he could do a lot better, but he's just not disciplined enough to keep up. He even wears the Kanji 楽 for "Comfort" or "Ease" until he starts copying Goku.
Krillin's the only valid point of reference, and he had a special ritual done to him by the steward of the Namek Dragon Balls, likely the originals.
Tienshinhan can't be compared because he has a third eye, making it clear he's not a normal human.
Kaioken makes every heartbeat count for double. creating twice as much Ki per beat. Kaioken times 2 doubles it again and so on. The tradeoff is that you're losing that many heartbeats off of your life per beat for as long as you're using it. Hence why Goku avoids using it after geometric powerscaling gives way to exponential. It's just not practical.
Dragon Ball has a lot of humor in it that conflicted with American broadcasters' Standards and Practices until Adult Swim proved that you could get away with more "Vulgarity" after the moralists and their kids went to bed.
>vegeta has been relevent since his debut basically >frieza came back with golden frieza >androids came back for tournament >even cell apparently came back in super hero >all buu got was a skinny form solely for a joke
When will he get justice? Every other major Z villain has come back
It bothers me that it's established that Nappa basically raised Vegeta and that in spite of that, Vegeta tossed him aside in the most callous way possible and they've never done anything with it.
Not showing Vegeta growing feelings of guilt over it.
Not an effort to set things right with the Dragon Balls in one of the slow years that we know for sure happened.
Nothing.
I get that Nappa himself is supposed to be brute gladly killing on Frieza's behalf just for his own enjoyment, but he's also established as right hand man to a king who's shown to be relatively wise and just in the face of hard choices. That implies there's more to the character that was never seen. I don't even like Nappa that much, it's just a weird choice to have Vegeta's original villain moment go unremarked upon for decades, except to make it even worse in retrospect by making Nappa seem honorable.
Yeah there's a lot of interesting things they could do by bringing back any of the dead Sayians. Frieza is probably my favorite villian and I was happy to see him back but Raditz or Nappa could've been interesting, if anything for a filler episode
I know there isn't much time or room for it, but actually having Vegeta's role as the monarch of his people actually mean something and carry more responsibility than he seems to accept is a big missed opportunity.
Buu is unironically too powerful >only way to stop him is complete disintegration >has magic >can absorb others to become stronger and smarter >can heal others including non battle related injuries >so strong and magic so varied that he had to be written out of two out of three major Super arcs because no one would be able to stop him, except maybe Jiren
Buu awoke the Grand Supreme Kai and beat the shit out of Moro for a while (When Moro humiliated SSB Goku and Vegeta solo) and the Grand Supreme Kai guided Uub on how to wield his power, enabling Goku to kill Moro.
GSK Buu shits all over Gammas, Ultimate Gohan, Ultimate Piccolo, Goku Blue, Vegeta Blue, Wrathful Broly, etc and Uub’s GSK power puts him at the level of Ultra Instinct Goku naturally.
Looks like it. Whoever owns the IP just tells Epic which version they want in the game, that's the reason Goku looks like shit, it was based on the Super drawings.
Buu has two big problems that really hurts the arc.
First, hopefully I can just say "he's not an interesting character" and not have to defend that statement.
Second, his strength and regeneration are totally nebulous, bolstered by MULTIPLE one-hit-kill moves, so there's never any real flow to his fights. Characters show up, hit him for a while to no effect, then they go down. The core structure of later Dragonball, and all of Z, has always been about forcing characters to become stronger to overcome increasingly powerful foes, this creating a series of successes and setbacks to drive the plot forward. But with Buu, setbacks and successes increasingly didn't matter. Weaker than a given form, stronger than a given form, next form is weaker, next form is stronger, Buu is winning the fight, Buu is getting slapped around like a paddle ball, none of it actually mattered, because Buu was either going to regenerate and get the win with an insta-kill, or Toriyama would decide the arc was long enough and the Spirit Bomb would arbitrarily work. With so much of the structure of the show just not existing thanks to Buu, the entire arc after his introduction just pointlessly meanders until it runs out of characters to do literally nothing of any impact.
The concept of Buu is actually very interesting. It's like Kirby meets The Thing.
Kid Buu is the original, pure, raw form.
Chaotic Evil, the definition of an "ancient evil..."
In his first episode, he blows up Earth without saying a single word.
He does what both Frieza and Cell threatened to do on numerous occasions.
He not only takes the appearance of those he absorbs, but also their character traits/personality.
Cell was a bio-android that was designed to absorb #17 and #18, like batteries.
Buu on the other hand could absorb ANYONE and this creates an endless amount of unique possibilities. While it often equates to power boost, it can also make him "weaker" because the personality of the victim can hold him back. This is why Kid Buu, while not stronger than Super Buu, is still the most dangerous form because he's unpredictable, crazy and psychotic.
Fat Buu is in my opinion the best villain in DBZ.
The most evil being in the universe absorbed the highest divine god in the universe (the fat Grand Supreme Kai). The end result is Fat Buu, an innocent childlike and gluttonous villain. He doesn't know right from wrong, it's a child with the power to one-shot Super Saiyan 2's. Ironically he gets tamed by a weak comedic relief character (Hercule) who befriends him. And it is MANKIND that spawns Super Buu, evil humans were responsible for his creation, and ultimately the humans redeem themselves by contributing to the Spirit Bomb that kill Buu. Super Buu is the strongest in terms of raw power, he's the product of the evil within Fat Buu overpowering the good, and absorbing himself. This form symbolizes the struggle within Buu himself.
when Super Buu absorbs Z Fighters is when things get less interesting.
Buutenks is just Perfect Cell v.2.0 personality-wise. Cold, cunning and strategic because he now has Piccolo's intellect. Buuhan is just Frieza v.2.0, arrogant and smug because he absorbed Ultimate Gohan.
Buu has two big problems that really hurts the arc.
First, hopefully I can just say "he's not an interesting character" and not have to defend that statement.
Second, his strength and regeneration are totally nebulous, bolstered by MULTIPLE one-hit-kill moves, so there's never any real flow to his fights. Characters show up, hit him for a while to no effect, then they go down. The core structure of later Dragonball, and all of Z, has always been about forcing characters to become stronger to overcome increasingly powerful foes, this creating a series of successes and setbacks to drive the plot forward. But with Buu, setbacks and successes increasingly didn't matter. Weaker than a given form, stronger than a given form, next form is weaker, next form is stronger, Buu is winning the fight, Buu is getting slapped around like a paddle ball, none of it actually mattered, because Buu was either going to regenerate and get the win with an insta-kill, or Toriyama would decide the arc was long enough and the Spirit Bomb would arbitrarily work. With so much of the structure of the show just not existing thanks to Buu, the entire arc after his introduction just pointlessly meanders until it runs out of characters to do literally nothing of any impact.
Also the Spirit Bomb killing off Buu was (probably unintentionally) a great idea.
SB counters pure evil.
It didn't work against Vegeta because he wasn't pure evil.
It didn't work against Frieza because he wasn't pure evil.
It worked against Kid Buu was because he IS pure evil.
Poetic that the one move that never worked, finally worked at the end against the last villain.
Also turning Hercule into an actual hero, and mankind's contribution.
The idea that (You) helped beat Buu by raising your hands for Goku is a fitting end.
I've always found Kid Buu to be the perfect final boss for DB. The arc itself isn't perfect, but Kid Buu as a character captures the two main things DB ended up becoming known for, comedy and brutality. He's beating Vegeta to death in one chapter then taunting Goku with a silly dance a couple later.
Whenever a new skin releases from a past collab like DBZ the older skins show up after a couple of days, so expect Goku and the gang in the shop in less than a week or so.
Is there a way to get rich by purely merchanting & paying attention to the marketplace?
I want to make an enutrof that just buys low, sells high and eventually finding a niché/monopoly for specific items that consistently sells.
Usually in player-driven economies this is possible (like in EVE-Online).
I want to make a market mogul character.
Moron.
A memberberry is when a piece of media relies on shallow callbacks to past entries in the franchise rather than creating something new and memorable. A fan remembering something is not a memberberry.
But feel free to keep defending your pandering, cynical zombie franchise.
in the trash
Better than Beerus and Bulma.
Keyed
Locked
frick buu, where the frick is trunks?
Pounding Chichi's tuna
where's nword cell?
I hate that Golden Frieza's height remains the same. People tend to think he's just gold but he's actually taller too.
Still a manlet
drinking jin with your ma.
Playing the game
when did it become cool to hate Buu
>inb4 story
who the frick watches Dragonball for story
After Super. Granted the Buu arc has some shitty writing but so does most of Dragon ball so who cares
>when did it become cool to hate Buu
First day?
He was always shit
So is Cell
Toriyama was right about it ending at Namek
Dragon Ball was never going to end at Namek, that's a complete lie that fans that hate everything after made up.
>Android/Cell Saga
>Not the peak of DBZ
Frick off.
Peak moronation saga even by Dragon Ball standards
It felt too dark and depressing.
1. Namek saga (saiyan arc included, from Raditz to Frieza is one consistent saga)
2. Buu saga
3. Android saga
For me personally majin buu wasn’t that interesting of a character. He’s kind of just this bland evil creature that’s evil because…. he was made to be? I get how that works practically but narratively it’s not that interesting.
He's literally supposed to represent chaos incarnate, and chaos isn't always evil, hence you had Fat Buu. I like the Buu storyline and what they did with it.
Frieza was still my favorite arc. Super Saiyan wasn't normalized then. It was still this legendary thing and when it finally happens it's wonderful.
Cell was fun but it's a super-contrived storyline. "Hmm, what can we do after Frieza? OHH I KNOW! We'll just say ever since Dragon Ball days this evil doctor homosexual has been secretly stealing the DNA of all these fighters, and NOBODY EVER FRICKING NOTICED IT! Then he makes the ultimate big bad! HECKIN' YES WE'RE GENIUSES!"
People got mad about Buu after Dragon Ball Z's renaissance with Kai.
Do people hate Buu? People hate the buu saga because Gohan and Gotenks are such dogshit protagonists that Goku had to take their place to try and salvage the arc.
Buu is cool and deserved better heroes to fight.
The best part of Buu is Hercule of all people saving everyone by somehow befriending him
>because Gohan and Gotenks are such dogshit protagonists
Because they were written that way, if people didn't cry because Goku was being replaced we'd maybe have had new cool protagonists.
Adult Gohan is just Daoist Superman and Gotenks is two dipshit kids everyone hated already. One being Dragon Ball Goku wholesale, and the other being a character people liked reduced to a joke. All he had going for him was a few cool attacks.
Buu is fine, the arc itself is a little bloated but it's still enjoyable.
Buu saga feels like a "greatest hits"
the story/plot is messy and all over the place, but it has a lot of cool moments.
It's pure Saiyan fan service, it takes what made DBZ popular (screaming and powering up) and runs wild with it. It's self aware and good ol' fun. It does manage to fit some emotional moments in there (Vegeta's sacrifice for example).
Contrast to the Cell saga which took itself very seriously, it really felt like things were at stake.
>it really felt like things were at stake
Buu is kinda a strange character but I’d very Toriyama-esque. For him to be the ultimate villain of the original run makes complete sense when you look at what Toriyama likes to make. The Buu saga has a lot of problems with pacing and consistency like Super Saiyan 3 just… exists, kinda (not that glaring when not taking the extended canon into account but still) and how Gohan’s character changed, it’s definitely the worst of the four Z sagas but it’s still pretty enjoyable and Buu is a fine enough villain even with all his transformations just kind of insisting upon themselves as he’s a wacky blob creature that.
Most boring pozzed arc
it's not a bad arc, it just has more noticeable flaws compared to frieza and cell
>Villain (like Cell) just gets less interesting over time with Super Buu being the most flat "I'm evil and powerful hahahaha" villain in the series. Kid Buu is a lot of fun though
>Like five new powerups that exist just to exist, and amount to frick-all except for Buu surviving it and getting stronger
He's got the best design. Don't (You) me.
Buu was the best part of Z. All the best sagas come immediately after a timeskip (Piccolo Jr, Saiyans, Buu)
based
Gohan goes super saiyan so yes he is obviously Goku's son, although the idea that a half-breed can do a racial transformation is questionable at best
>no transform emote
fricking hell just copy the goku/vegeta ones
Just chiming in to say Golden Shower Frieza is the fricking lamest shit ever. He looks like he has been soaking in a fricking tub of 40 homeless Black folk' piss. It's the laziest attempt at bringing back an otherwise awesome villain.
Frick man, they had FOUR forms for him, and they were all different and really cool looking, how they evolved. They should have made him turn into something bigger and scarier like forms 2 and 3.
Dragon Ball has existed only to sell toys since Toriyama decided to dig up its grave 18 years after finishing it. Coming up with a creative and original form is counterintuitive to that purpose.
(I’m a seething bejitabro btw)
Oh look incel edgelord homosexual strikes again with his regurgitated garbage "insult" memes, thinking he's so witty and clever hurrrrr
SEETHING little b***h. KEKAROOOOO!
I agree for the most part. Namek is my favorite arc and RoF is my least favorite "arc". I'm fine with him coming back but I don't like Golden or Black but I also don't want him to have a 5th form like Cooler. I'd rather he have just gotten stronger through training his final form but unfortunately DB has become a parody of itself and a new form was inevitable. That being said, I do still hope they canonize Cooler and I'd be fine with him having a 5th form as it would differentiate him from Frieza.
You missed the entire fricking point behind Freeza’s character design. Higher transformations were never going to work because he isn’t meant to be scary, or intimidating or anything. He’s a plain-looking lizard man in his true form, betraying his actual sociopathy.
Giving him a form beyond that was always going to struggle because it goes against the original concept. Something like a 5th form would be absolutely awful for a character like Freeza. Forms like Golden and Black may be tacky but they at least don’t betray the entire goddamn premise of his character.
the whole point of frieza's form changes is that they are artificial and designed to CONTAIN his power rather than increase it
that being said, golden frieza is indeed shit and they had 5th form cooler right there to copy from
YOU HAVE NO ASS
NO AAAAAAAAAAAAAAASS
I feel like all these dbz characters are about to have gay sex
I need my medication.....
They can’t do fat people. Why do you think they made Peter Griffin skinny?
Western DBZ fans tend to not like Buu as much.
He's more popular in Japan (he might be more popular than Cell there sometimes).
All three main antagonists are well designed and have their own atmosphere.
Megatron won btw
I need to claim Frieza's tight purple bussy
>no transformation emote for frieza
i'm still buying them
>no transform built-in emote
Why? Even fricking piccolo got on
Is Freeza naked? Real question.
He's wearing a skintight bodysuit the same color as his real skin
I think the same, but it's a bioarmor, since his previously armor also transforms and then it shiny gold. He wears an exoskeleton/bioarmor. He is "naked". Unless it's a magical armor.
First form Frieza has armor but final form is naked
Buu arc had great moments but the previous two were just peak DBZ. Kid Trunks and Goten, Gotenks, SSJ3, the mix of slice of life like the casual tournament that lead up to events, the daily life of Buu after he kills Babidi, and other things just made Buu arc feel like less stakes and thus less hype compared to Frieza/Androids/Cell. SSJ3 and Gotenks weren't some satisfying power up moment, they were just sorta transformations that lead to fighting with no resolution as they both still lost, and SSJ3 isn't even what defeated Buu.
Where's the Earth's Champ?
Him and Buu will honestly probably be the next wave
>we keep getting DB characters who have literally no use for guns instead of ones like him or Launch
Dbz was never good
Shounen was never good
The stuff you liked as a kid was never good
Z homosexualry is gay, but you're wrong.
Should I get into Fortnite just for the Freeza/Cell skins?
No, actually, the game really isn't fun, and this is an entirely cynical marketing scheme to try and get you to replace the people that left last month.
Sure why not. It is very fun
I started playing just because they got DBZ skins. I low key love the game now.
Here's your DBZ power level chart bro.
crazy to think base Gotenks is already SSJ2 tier
is fusion really that powerful?
yes its a multiplier not addition
>Tien stronger than Krillin
>ends up being the strongest individual warrior
Gohanchads we did it.
gohan got carried by asspull power ups.
he never put as much effort into training like goku or vegeta
Gohan has chadhuman gene
Gohan has both Goku and Ox King's genes. Of course he's the strongest. He's also smarter about how he trains and exerts himself than Goku.
Lol let's not kid ourselves.
Goku might be not the brightest, but when it comes to training he is a genius. He lives for combat. It's a pure saiyan thing.
Goku trains himself to the point where he can't stand up. That only works for him because of how Saiyans' cells heal.
Goku has a talent for effective training.
You see this throughout Dragon Ball.
He pushes himself to the limit, but also understands the power of others.
He was the ONLY one who realized Gohan had surpassed him when training in the HTC.
Not even Piccolo who knows Gohan intimately, or Vegeta who had learned to sense energy, knew that Gohan was the strongest Super Saiyan after exiting the hyperbolic time chamber. Only Goku knew, and already planned/knew Gohan would beat Cell.
I'm pretty sure that his confidence in Gohan was just the parental bond.
>his confidence in Gohan was just the parental bond.
No it wasn't. Goku doesn't have parental emotions.
Literally episode 1 when Raditz kidnaps Gohan, dumbass.
He doesn't for Goten, but that's because Goten is shit.
It's funny to think Imperfect Cell could one-shot Final Form Frieza.
not rly its actually kinda gay and makes me think dbz suxxxxxxxxxxx
they already made Freezie Pop look like a joke when him and his dad got killed by Trunks
the biggest plot hole in DBZ is why an old man in a basement managed to create robots more powerful than the galactic space hitler overlord of the universe with all the greatest scientists in the galaxy at his disposal.
is Dr.Gero really that much of a genius?
Maybe he got really deep into the Saiyan genome or something and was able to extract a shitload of potential out of it. Could've changed the world with whatever energy breakthroughs that would've provided to the public if he wasn't drunk on revenge.
I mean obviously Toriyama just doesn't give a frick and does whatever but it's neat how Z still kinda gets away with shit you can logically handwave away for the most part.
Gero was fueled by his butthurt for Goku.
Years and years of seeking revenge against a little kid that casually destroyed the Red Ribbon army in DB.
Don't underestimate the power of vengeance.
agreed that shit's dumb
frieza saga at least loosely made sense within its universe
Frieza and King Cold were on Earth long enough for their genes to get harvested for Cell. They also fight and get killed by a Super Saiyan, Goku in the original timeline and Trunks in the altered one. It's safe to say Gero was able to analyze their powers and enhance his androids to counter them.
there were a lot of scientists trying to kill Goku throughout DBZ, all with power rivaling or matching his own at the time. Dr. Gero was just the most calculating and intimate researcher.
Agreed. The only explanation that makes sense is that the Androids were created to be able to function efficiently at max power all the time unlike a person who would feel fatigue and eventually have to manage their energy output. That coupled with a person having to concentrate on said energy output whereas an android would have the mental capacity to analyze their opponent during battle and adjust to exploit weakness in technique. Cell would have been the apex of this design.
Because chadhuman are fricking strong
Chadkrillin a human he could hurt fricking frieza
Stop undrestimating human
Gero knows how ki works on a scientific level, so engineering something more powerful than Frieza is just a design problem.
Look at what humans can do with selective breeding alone.
all Toriyama had to do was have a throwaway line of Gero salvaging mecha frieza parts and this seriously wouldn't be an issue, but glory of hindsight I guess
There's no way the Supreme Kai is weaker than a Cell Jr.
The universe 7 Supreme Kai is undertrained/out of his depth due to Buu's rampage. That's part of the reason U7 is considered one of the shitter ones
Why is Hercule on the same tier as Videl? Wasn't he a hack? Or is he powerful on the new series?
Hercule was always strong, for human standards, same as Videl, neither have received training to go beyond so they are still considered weak, even Yamcha is stronger than them.
Hercule is genuinely the best human martial artist on Earth who doesn't use any mystical techniques. He earned his title and his fame. But he's just a normal human being.
The Androids were made using the Battle Data from the Saiyan Saga and were based on individuals who were already showed promise aside from 19, who was totally artificial, and 20 who was a copy of Gero made to carry on his work.
He actually wasn't a hack since he was the strongest fighter on the world when it's just regular martial arts and such. Though when everyone in the series uses Ki to do stuff then you're going to be nothing more than a chump when facing off against them with nothing more than simple human punches and kicks
hercule is strong in realistic normal human terms, i.e MMA fighter in real life
still nothing compared to yamcha,krillin,tien who are essentially superman
videl learned to fly and manipulate ki energy to a limited degree, but yeah besides that she's realistically strong only. people forget she was overpowering spopovich and even broke his neck. the only reason he didn't succumb was due to majin magic
It's ridiculous how people praise Mr.Satan for being "actually strong bro!" but then shit on Yamcha, who is capable of flying at mach speeds, throw x100 punches in 1 second, and can easily blow up cities if not the entire planet if he wanted to, by firing nukes from his hands.
Yamcha the weakest Z Fighter (if you don't count Chiaotzu and Yajirobe) would still be considered a demi-god if he existed in real life. That just shows you how ridiculously OP the fiction of DBZ is when even being Super-Man is not enough.
toriyama treated both characters like memes.
but hercule paid off in the end, he actually become a pivotal character.
yamcha and tien just faded off into obscurity in the buu saga
>succesful baseball career
>alpha jock sports Chad
>had tons of girlfriends, could get any girl he wants in the city
>doesn't need to lift weights in the gym, he can lift the gym building itself
>financially well off since he knows Bulma
>has a cool hover Ferrari sports car in the Buu saga, and aesthetic yellow suit
>has a shapeshifting cat that can turn into anything he wants
Yamcha lives a life we can only dream of.
Yamcha and his Sokidan are my favorite character and attack. I think he could do a lot better, but he's just not disciplined enough to keep up. He even wears the Kanji 楽 for "Comfort" or "Ease" until he starts copying Goku.
Krillin's the only valid point of reference, and he had a special ritual done to him by the steward of the Namek Dragon Balls, likely the originals.
Tienshinhan can't be compared because he has a third eye, making it clear he's not a normal human.
How many major villains did Yamcha help defeat?
Pilaf? lol
I fixed your tier list
>3x kaioken goku is equal to 2x kaioken goku
Wut
no,
left of chart > right of chart
These charts are usually ranked within tier as well
While we're on Kaioken multipliers, what the frick is the difference between Kaioken and Kaioken times 2?
Kaioken makes every heartbeat count for double. creating twice as much Ki per beat. Kaioken times 2 doubles it again and so on. The tradeoff is that you're losing that many heartbeats off of your life per beat for as long as you're using it. Hence why Goku avoids using it after geometric powerscaling gives way to exponential. It's just not practical.
>16 on the same tier as the jobberdroids
Get that shit out of here
>Verification not required
>SS2 Cell Arc Gohan>>>SS2 Buu Arc Gohan
Nerfed by school.
Well yeah 7 years of peace is enough time to get rusty.
Funny how after pulling a sword out of a rock & having a celestial god give him a lapdance, his power surges way above even SSJ3 Goku.
Hybrids have insane genetics. Goten & Kid Trunks achieved SSJ just for fun, as little kids.
>No El Hermano
>No Shaggy
>No bald gohan
>No Xi jing ping
Fricking trash chart
>bald gohan
It's called Gohan Calvo u noob
I think king Kold is as cool as the next guy but why would he be stronger than Frieza(the strongest in the universe) while in the same big form?
DB SKINS IN LEGO MODE PLEASE
RE skins*
I can't even use my main skin in LEGO so I just haven't been playing it
i think they probably cant add it cuz its too violent or something
Why did americans got dragon ball z first instead of og?
Dragon Ball has a lot of humor in it that conflicted with American broadcasters' Standards and Practices until Adult Swim proved that you could get away with more "Vulgarity" after the moralists and their kids went to bed.
>vegeta has been relevent since his debut basically
>frieza came back with golden frieza
>androids came back for tournament
>even cell apparently came back in super hero
>all buu got was a skinny form solely for a joke
When will he get justice? Every other major Z villain has come back
Man I want Raditz or Nappa to come back
>>even cell apparently came back in super hero
Kinda, Cell MAX was closer to a mindless beast than Cell
It bothers me that it's established that Nappa basically raised Vegeta and that in spite of that, Vegeta tossed him aside in the most callous way possible and they've never done anything with it.
Not showing Vegeta growing feelings of guilt over it.
Not an effort to set things right with the Dragon Balls in one of the slow years that we know for sure happened.
Nothing.
I get that Nappa himself is supposed to be brute gladly killing on Frieza's behalf just for his own enjoyment, but he's also established as right hand man to a king who's shown to be relatively wise and just in the face of hard choices. That implies there's more to the character that was never seen. I don't even like Nappa that much, it's just a weird choice to have Vegeta's original villain moment go unremarked upon for decades, except to make it even worse in retrospect by making Nappa seem honorable.
Yeah there's a lot of interesting things they could do by bringing back any of the dead Sayians. Frieza is probably my favorite villian and I was happy to see him back but Raditz or Nappa could've been interesting, if anything for a filler episode
I know there isn't much time or room for it, but actually having Vegeta's role as the monarch of his people actually mean something and carry more responsibility than he seems to accept is a big missed opportunity.
Buu is unironically too powerful
>only way to stop him is complete disintegration
>has magic
>can absorb others to become stronger and smarter
>can heal others including non battle related injuries
>so strong and magic so varied that he had to be written out of two out of three major Super arcs because no one would be able to stop him, except maybe Jiren
Buu awoke the Grand Supreme Kai and beat the shit out of Moro for a while (When Moro humiliated SSB Goku and Vegeta solo) and the Grand Supreme Kai guided Uub on how to wield his power, enabling Goku to kill Moro.
GSK Buu shits all over Gammas, Ultimate Gohan, Ultimate Piccolo, Goku Blue, Vegeta Blue, Wrathful Broly, etc and Uub’s GSK power puts him at the level of Ultra Instinct Goku naturally.
why do americans treat the shitty team four star parody as canon?
are they moronic?
Many of us are, yeah
Because Americans and Japanese are the only nationalities that matter, and Japan treated it as canon with Super
Is that his Broly movie design?
whats the difference between og and broly movie one?
Looks like it. Whoever owns the IP just tells Epic which version they want in the game, that's the reason Goku looks like shit, it was based on the Super drawings.
Buu has two big problems that really hurts the arc.
First, hopefully I can just say "he's not an interesting character" and not have to defend that statement.
Second, his strength and regeneration are totally nebulous, bolstered by MULTIPLE one-hit-kill moves, so there's never any real flow to his fights. Characters show up, hit him for a while to no effect, then they go down. The core structure of later Dragonball, and all of Z, has always been about forcing characters to become stronger to overcome increasingly powerful foes, this creating a series of successes and setbacks to drive the plot forward. But with Buu, setbacks and successes increasingly didn't matter. Weaker than a given form, stronger than a given form, next form is weaker, next form is stronger, Buu is winning the fight, Buu is getting slapped around like a paddle ball, none of it actually mattered, because Buu was either going to regenerate and get the win with an insta-kill, or Toriyama would decide the arc was long enough and the Spirit Bomb would arbitrarily work. With so much of the structure of the show just not existing thanks to Buu, the entire arc after his introduction just pointlessly meanders until it runs out of characters to do literally nothing of any impact.
The concept of Buu is actually very interesting. It's like Kirby meets The Thing.
Kid Buu is the original, pure, raw form.
Chaotic Evil, the definition of an "ancient evil..."
In his first episode, he blows up Earth without saying a single word.
He does what both Frieza and Cell threatened to do on numerous occasions.
He not only takes the appearance of those he absorbs, but also their character traits/personality.
Cell was a bio-android that was designed to absorb #17 and #18, like batteries.
Buu on the other hand could absorb ANYONE and this creates an endless amount of unique possibilities. While it often equates to power boost, it can also make him "weaker" because the personality of the victim can hold him back. This is why Kid Buu, while not stronger than Super Buu, is still the most dangerous form because he's unpredictable, crazy and psychotic.
Fat Buu is in my opinion the best villain in DBZ.
The most evil being in the universe absorbed the highest divine god in the universe (the fat Grand Supreme Kai). The end result is Fat Buu, an innocent childlike and gluttonous villain. He doesn't know right from wrong, it's a child with the power to one-shot Super Saiyan 2's. Ironically he gets tamed by a weak comedic relief character (Hercule) who befriends him. And it is MANKIND that spawns Super Buu, evil humans were responsible for his creation, and ultimately the humans redeem themselves by contributing to the Spirit Bomb that kill Buu. Super Buu is the strongest in terms of raw power, he's the product of the evil within Fat Buu overpowering the good, and absorbing himself. This form symbolizes the struggle within Buu himself.
when Super Buu absorbs Z Fighters is when things get less interesting.
Buutenks is just Perfect Cell v.2.0 personality-wise. Cold, cunning and strategic because he now has Piccolo's intellect. Buuhan is just Frieza v.2.0, arrogant and smug because he absorbed Ultimate Gohan.
The vanilla forms of Buu are great though.
Also the Spirit Bomb killing off Buu was (probably unintentionally) a great idea.
SB counters pure evil.
It didn't work against Vegeta because he wasn't pure evil.
It didn't work against Frieza because he wasn't pure evil.
It worked against Kid Buu was because he IS pure evil.
Poetic that the one move that never worked, finally worked at the end against the last villain.
Also turning Hercule into an actual hero, and mankind's contribution.
The idea that (You) helped beat Buu by raising your hands for Goku is a fitting end.
I've always found Kid Buu to be the perfect final boss for DB. The arc itself isn't perfect, but Kid Buu as a character captures the two main things DB ended up becoming known for, comedy and brutality. He's beating Vegeta to death in one chapter then taunting Goku with a silly dance a couple later.
If only he wasn't pink I just can't take him seriously when he looks like a bubblegum man
I made the perfect 40 character Dragon Ball roster for FighterZ 2
why cut characters, just add more
Because that's not fun for a hypothetical
What other DB/Z/S skins does Fortnite need?
I would go full consoomer for Mr. Satan.
Big ones are Buu, Trunks and the Androids mainly. Broly or Jiren would be fun if they figured out a way to make their proportions work
Too busy fighting Kirby
do people still watch this trash? Why defer playground arguments to one random kid?
Muffin button.
I could see Gohan and videl being the next batch. Videl has 2 distinct looks and Gohan has great saiyaman which would be a cool skin.
Gohan's already in though and he's in his dumb purple outfit with the elf shoes
>hating on the Piccolo outfit
Motherfricker
I completely forgot he was added you’re right. My dreams of a saiyaman outfit are ruined.
>Missed out on goku black
FRICK, do they ever bring back the collabs?
Other than Naruto, the anime collabs come back at least twice a year.
Whenever a new skin releases from a past collab like DBZ the older skins show up after a couple of days, so expect Goku and the gang in the shop in less than a week or so.
Release Android 17 & 18 skins
I will buy digital currency for a video game if it means I can play as Android 18
this but android 16
18 could work, since apparently Fortnite skins have to be safe horny now, like how they made April O'Neil a cute tomboy
His head is so fricking big, surely using this skin is just asking to be headshot right?
All skins have the exact same hitbox, all of them. This includes the tiniest women vs. Peter Griffin. Different hitbox sizes are a pure myth.
I GOT A FLOCK IN MY RRARI
SEVENTEEN SHOTS
Shit, slammed the F-key instead of G. I've let Perfect Cell down with my imperfection.
What about second form cell????
>wasting your proxy IPs on spamming gore in a dragonball thread
literally NGMI
Dragon Ball still has the best fights in shonen.
Yes its goku vs kid buu
>Nuly, Goku and Bejita
SOVL.
obligatory
I kneel...
Yamcha vs Tien in 22rd world martial arts tournament.
Piccolo vs Frieza on Namek.
Buu who?
Is there a way to get rich by purely merchanting & paying attention to the marketplace?
I want to make an enutrof that just buys low, sells high and eventually finding a niché/monopoly for specific items that consistently sells.
Usually in player-driven economies this is possible (like in EVE-Online).
I want to make a market mogul character.
This only works if you have starting capital.
If you're unfunded, forget it.
Once I revert to an egg I must bury myself underground for three years. There my form matures.
Buu whuu?
>Yellow Frieza
Is that an OC?
Golden Frieza form from Dragon Ball Z: Resurrection ‘F’
Still doesnt answers the question
Color change = more power!
Why is he yellow?
Why is freeza so fricking sexy? Do you think he would give good head?
Can someone explain to me how Android 17 is on par with Blue?
I have never seen super. What fricking power boost did they give him?
Shitper and GT are not canon.
Only DB and DBZ.
Super is cannon, I don't care if you don't like it.
Just explain to me the stupid power boost.
canon made by toriyama and good editors
dbs made by only toriyama
dbs isnt canon
It's all arbitrary, just low effort memberberries made to make tasteless homosexuals soiface.
Posing in a dragonball z thread 20 years later is memberberries. Stop trying to be holier than thou.
Moron.
A memberberry is when a piece of media relies on shallow callbacks to past entries in the franchise rather than creating something new and memorable. A fan remembering something is not a memberberry.
But feel free to keep defending your pandering, cynical zombie franchise.
frieza should have been female
He's not?
Gold Frieza is so fricking hideous.
Super trash is fricking insulting.
Fatty fat frick is too fricking fat for fortnite. Super Buu and Fit Buu only
Buu will come with Satan and Trunks.
I'm in a DBZ mood. How is Kakarot as a game?
>Where's Buu
>200 replies
>ctrl+f "Oob" or "Uub"
>0 results
do you guys even know dbz?
No one cares about that pajeet
>seeing frieza and cell side-by-side with fortnite's normalized heights