>start in a new region with new pokemon and legendaries next to Kanto >gym leaders have a mix of old and new pokemon >team rocket returns >lance appears and helps you fight team rocket sometimes >new elite 4 members >post game lets you travel to Kanto and battle their gym leaders >red is the true final boss of the game
geez if only such a game existed anon
Whatever companies TPC licenses out the franchise to for merchandise doesn't determine what is or isn't true. The games made by Game Freak do, the company that actually created the character.
8 months ago
Anonymous
TPC has more authority than your favorite poketuber.
8 months ago
Anonymous
I don't watch poketubers but odds are they're the ones promoting false information.
TPC handles the business side and has no real authority over Game Freak which handles the creative side.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>but odds are they're the ones promoting false information.
Yeah, which you repeat.
8 months ago
Anonymous
I'm not the one arguing "Leaf" and Green are different characters as opposed to the fan name vs real name given officially in LGPE.
8 months ago
Anonymous
Leaf is not a fan name, it was used in official products.
That you have no idea what the word "official" means is your problem.
The character that appeared in LGPE is a different one, hence, the same official sources give it a different name(like the TCG) >inb4 french
8 months ago
Anonymous
>official products by different companies can't make errors, we MUST treat them as canon and above what Game Freak themselves (who created Green) says
Dude you're not going to win this argument.
8 months ago
Anonymous
This is bait.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>anything I disagree with is bait
Your intellectual immaturity is on full display right now. I'm being cordial in the fact that I'm even trying to reason with you, you just can't accept the name you used for years in fan circles ended up not being the actual name given by Game Freak.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>official products by different companies can't make errors
Sorry, you're right, we should listen to poketubers instead.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>Game Freak is a poketuber
Since you keep seething why don't you post whatever poketuber video has you so upset? I genuinely don't know.
And there's no meaningful difference between Leaf and Green who fill the same roles as hypothetical "Fire" and Red. saying its one character with two names has equal likelihood if they haven't been seen together.
8 months ago
Anonymous
There is no Fire.
8 months ago
Anonymous
NTA, but you're moronic >who fill the same roles
They don't. One shows up as an NPC and the other is a playable character. >as hypothetical "Fire" and Red
hypotheticals aren't proof.
> saying its one character with two names has equal likelihood if they haven't been seen together.
Its the exact same situtation Lyra and Kris had pre-masters. There's no reason to claim the conclusion is different.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>Its the exact same situtation Lyra and Kris had pre-masters. There's no reason to claim the conclusion is different.
Is Green in Masters? Theres great reason to conclude differently if they did it for one case and not the other.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>Is Green in Masters?
She doesn't have to. Hence me saying "pre-masters". > Theres great reason to conclude differently if they did it for one case and not the other.
Not really, you have the exact same situation pre-masters and masters doesn't have all characters. You have to prove what is different.
>Game Freak is a poketuber
Since you keep seething why don't you post whatever poketuber video has you so upset? I genuinely don't know.
Unlike you I actually play the games, I don't watch poketubers.
Please point what part in your pic says "Leaf".
8 months ago
Anonymous
>Please point what part in your pic says "Leaf".
None. Maybe you're misreading my posts? Leaf doesn't exist, only Green does. Leaf is a non-canon incorrect false untrue fan name for the character Green who appears in FRLG and LGPE.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>One shows up as an NPC and the other is a playable character.
In the same role as the playable characters from RBY, meaning?
8 months ago
Anonymous
Green is a flirting thief and somebody who tries to capture people in pokeballs.
Leaf is girl Red.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>Manga canon
Leaf is Green in Adventures
8 months ago
Anonymous
Green came before Leaf
8 months ago
Anonymous
There isn't a Pokemon character called leaf
8 months ago
Anonymous
Yeah, Leaf is the kanto water starter.
The playable girl from FRLG is called ZEnigame.
8 months ago
Anonymous
Leaf is a fan name for the playable character in FRLG who is officially named Green by Game Freak and didn't have a name given until LGPE.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>Please point what part in your pic says "Leaf".
None. Maybe you're misreading my posts? Leaf doesn't exist, only Green does. Leaf is a non-canon incorrect false untrue fan name for the character Green who appears in FRLG and LGPE.
Leaf has been used in official material:
Yeah, Leaf is the kanto water starter.
The playable girl from FRLG is called ZEnigame.
>One shows up as an NPC and the other is a playable character.
In the same role as the playable characters from RBY, meaning?
>In the same role as the playable characters from RBY
you mean the sole male?
>Please point what part in your pic says "Leaf".
None. Maybe you're misreading my posts? Leaf doesn't exist, only Green does. Leaf is a non-canon incorrect false untrue fan name for the character Green who appears in FRLG and LGPE.
8 months ago
Anonymous
"Official" doesn't mean as much as you think it does, and you think--for whatever intellectually dishonest reason--other companies aren't susceptible to errors when handling an IP and characters they did not create, they had no involvement in creating, and have no impact on moving forward.
The fact is, Green is the official name given to the FRLG girl, who was redesigned in LGPE, by Game Freak. You can cry over this fact but that won't change the truth.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>"Official" doesn't mean as much as you think it does
Please define it then. > intellectually dishonest
I'm not directly denying evidence presented to my face. >other companies aren't susceptible to errors when handling an IP
Anon, they released merch and masters can be updated on a whim if this was a "mistake".
This isn't a mistake.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>Please define it then
Official is just anything TPC licenses out the IP to, be it merchandising or a gacha game. Not the canon of the Bible which must be followed if anything you should expressing IGNORE what other companies do with the IP since they often miss the point of it and get things wrong. >I'm not directly denying evidence
Yeah, you're just covering your eyes and ignoring evidence presented while repeating yourself ad nauseum. >masters
It's a gacha game by an unknown company. Having as many characters as possible to sell to people is what it does. Doesn't this game have two different Reds? It has no bearing on canon.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>Official is just anything TPC licenses out the IP
Like Masters or Kotobukiya figures?
Ok, so its not a fanname then. Its official.
> ignoring evidence
such as? You have one more post to actually make a point.
>It's a gacha game by an unknown company.
No, the company that made it is known. You've no idea what you're talking about.
>It has no bearing on canon.
I know you want to use the cool fandom word your favorite poketuber told you, but we aren't talking about canon at all.
8 months ago
Anonymous
Yes, Leaf is one of the many "official" names given by various different companies who aren't the ones that actually created the character.
Meanwhile Green is the actual canon name given by the creators of that character, and is also used in a wide array of official material.
But people who use Leaf over Green as the name are engaging in fan name homosexualry and can't let go of the fact that they incorrectly called Green Leaf for decades, and instead feel emboldened to go against Game Freak / TPC in calling her Green because of some random gacha game that'll shutdown in a year or two.
8 months ago
Anonymous
Leaf was used in material that's 100% official under your own definition that you now ignore.
You haven't made a point.
8 months ago
Anonymous
Point: Game Freak, who created the character, calls her Green.
>the PWT project has started!
also remember when people thought the Galarian Star Tournament would be a PWT clone? all they have to do to please fans is let them battle trainers from past games, but I guess it was easier to just remove battle facilities entirely.
>Friend
Leaf(aka Green) isn't their friend, she's Red's weirdo sister.
You don't bring your insane sister on vacation, you take vacations to get away from them.
poketubers are the ones that spread misinfo, not the other way around.
[...]
I refuse to play along to localization thats that moronic. I feel like with all the confusion its caused they'll have to retcon the to the correct names one day right? they should've done it in FRLG.
It only causes "confusion" because the fanbase is moronic.
I'm well aware Green is actually Blue, but sometimes you have to use the commonly accepted wording to make yourself understood.
I refuse to play along to localization thats that moronic. I feel like with all the confusion its caused they'll have to retcon the to the correct names one day right? they should've done it in FRLG.
>Wanting to bring the diversity hire they brought in for a remake
Come on now, they're the original main characters. They can just pound local Alolan pussy if they want.
The question isn't if Leaf and Green are different characters, but if Leaf should be her own character since she is just the female character option of Red
You guys are really getting baited hard by "these two characters who look completely different and have two different names are actually the same character."
You DO realize it's bait, right?
>these two characters who look completely different
See
Leaf is just a fan name like Kris or Selene.
>have two different names
This is what happens when you give different companies access to an IP with a character who didn't receive a canon name until LGPE. Same thing happened with Lyra. She has a different name used by American localizers in the Crystal manual, a different name in the Ashnime, and the official canon name given by Game Freak in HGSS.
The anon arguing Leaf =/= Green is the one refusing and/or failing to engage with counterpoints
See
>Is Green in Masters?
She doesn't have to. Hence me saying "pre-masters". > Theres great reason to conclude differently if they did it for one case and not the other.
Not really, you have the exact same situation pre-masters and masters doesn't have all characters. You have to prove what is different.
[...]
Unlike you I actually play the games, I don't watch poketubers.
Please point what part in your pic says "Leaf".
[...]
Leaf has been used in official material: [...]
[...] >In the same role as the playable characters from RBY
you mean the sole male?
[...]
No, in hindsight I wrongly called you out. >engaging with counterpoints
you did do that, I should have said you were misunderstanding in your responses where I quoted you.
Not sure if I'm the one misunderstanding now because of lack of sleep/brain fog so I'm sorry for that anon & I'm dipping out of the debate. Green & Leaf are still the same character though.
You don't bring the third wheel to your honeymoon
Blue is so cute, talk about a glow up
What do you think? Look at the ass, hips and thighs on Blue. He's powerbottoming Red every single night.
>Where's Leaf
Fujo game + Rirrie-chan for the waifugays
Think we'd ever get a RGB2?
>start in a new region with new pokemon and legendaries next to Kanto
>gym leaders have a mix of old and new pokemon
>team rocket returns
>lance appears and helps you fight team rocket sometimes
>new elite 4 members
>post game lets you travel to Kanto and battle their gym leaders
>red is the true final boss of the game
geez if only such a game existed anon
That's just LGPE
Green isn't canon. Did you even play FRLG?
Green is canon
In LGPE which is an alt universe. In FRLG she doesn't exist, not even as an npc like Lyra.
Leaf and Green aren't the same person
Leaf is just a fan name like Kris or Selene.
Leaf has been used in official products.
Whatever companies TPC licenses out the franchise to for merchandise doesn't determine what is or isn't true. The games made by Game Freak do, the company that actually created the character.
TPC has more authority than your favorite poketuber.
I don't watch poketubers but odds are they're the ones promoting false information.
TPC handles the business side and has no real authority over Game Freak which handles the creative side.
>but odds are they're the ones promoting false information.
Yeah, which you repeat.
I'm not the one arguing "Leaf" and Green are different characters as opposed to the fan name vs real name given officially in LGPE.
Leaf is not a fan name, it was used in official products.
That you have no idea what the word "official" means is your problem.
The character that appeared in LGPE is a different one, hence, the same official sources give it a different name(like the TCG)
>inb4 french
>official products by different companies can't make errors, we MUST treat them as canon and above what Game Freak themselves (who created Green) says
Dude you're not going to win this argument.
This is bait.
>anything I disagree with is bait
Your intellectual immaturity is on full display right now. I'm being cordial in the fact that I'm even trying to reason with you, you just can't accept the name you used for years in fan circles ended up not being the actual name given by Game Freak.
>official products by different companies can't make errors
Sorry, you're right, we should listen to poketubers instead.
>Game Freak is a poketuber
Since you keep seething why don't you post whatever poketuber video has you so upset? I genuinely don't know.
Crystal and Lyra are so different that I never even conceived they were supposed to be the same person.
>Fire and Red aren't the same person
There isn't a Pokemon character called fire
And there's no meaningful difference between Leaf and Green who fill the same roles as hypothetical "Fire" and Red. saying its one character with two names has equal likelihood if they haven't been seen together.
There is no Fire.
NTA, but you're moronic
>who fill the same roles
They don't. One shows up as an NPC and the other is a playable character.
>as hypothetical "Fire" and Red
hypotheticals aren't proof.
> saying its one character with two names has equal likelihood if they haven't been seen together.
Its the exact same situtation Lyra and Kris had pre-masters. There's no reason to claim the conclusion is different.
>Its the exact same situtation Lyra and Kris had pre-masters. There's no reason to claim the conclusion is different.
Is Green in Masters? Theres great reason to conclude differently if they did it for one case and not the other.
>Is Green in Masters?
She doesn't have to. Hence me saying "pre-masters".
> Theres great reason to conclude differently if they did it for one case and not the other.
Not really, you have the exact same situation pre-masters and masters doesn't have all characters. You have to prove what is different.
Unlike you I actually play the games, I don't watch poketubers.
Please point what part in your pic says "Leaf".
>Please point what part in your pic says "Leaf".
None. Maybe you're misreading my posts? Leaf doesn't exist, only Green does. Leaf is a non-canon incorrect false untrue fan name for the character Green who appears in FRLG and LGPE.
>One shows up as an NPC and the other is a playable character.
In the same role as the playable characters from RBY, meaning?
Green is a flirting thief and somebody who tries to capture people in pokeballs.
Leaf is girl Red.
>Manga canon
Leaf is Green in Adventures
Green came before Leaf
There isn't a Pokemon character called leaf
Yeah, Leaf is the kanto water starter.
The playable girl from FRLG is called ZEnigame.
Leaf is a fan name for the playable character in FRLG who is officially named Green by Game Freak and didn't have a name given until LGPE.
Leaf has been used in official material:
>In the same role as the playable characters from RBY
you mean the sole male?
"Official" doesn't mean as much as you think it does, and you think--for whatever intellectually dishonest reason--other companies aren't susceptible to errors when handling an IP and characters they did not create, they had no involvement in creating, and have no impact on moving forward.
The fact is, Green is the official name given to the FRLG girl, who was redesigned in LGPE, by Game Freak. You can cry over this fact but that won't change the truth.
>"Official" doesn't mean as much as you think it does
Please define it then.
> intellectually dishonest
I'm not directly denying evidence presented to my face.
>other companies aren't susceptible to errors when handling an IP
Anon, they released merch and masters can be updated on a whim if this was a "mistake".
This isn't a mistake.
>Please define it then
Official is just anything TPC licenses out the IP to, be it merchandising or a gacha game. Not the canon of the Bible which must be followed if anything you should expressing IGNORE what other companies do with the IP since they often miss the point of it and get things wrong.
>I'm not directly denying evidence
Yeah, you're just covering your eyes and ignoring evidence presented while repeating yourself ad nauseum.
>masters
It's a gacha game by an unknown company. Having as many characters as possible to sell to people is what it does. Doesn't this game have two different Reds? It has no bearing on canon.
>Official is just anything TPC licenses out the IP
Like Masters or Kotobukiya figures?
Ok, so its not a fanname then. Its official.
> ignoring evidence
such as? You have one more post to actually make a point.
>It's a gacha game by an unknown company.
No, the company that made it is known. You've no idea what you're talking about.
>It has no bearing on canon.
I know you want to use the cool fandom word your favorite poketuber told you, but we aren't talking about canon at all.
Yes, Leaf is one of the many "official" names given by various different companies who aren't the ones that actually created the character.
Meanwhile Green is the actual canon name given by the creators of that character, and is also used in a wide array of official material.
But people who use Leaf over Green as the name are engaging in fan name homosexualry and can't let go of the fact that they incorrectly called Green Leaf for decades, and instead feel emboldened to go against Game Freak / TPC in calling her Green because of some random gacha game that'll shutdown in a year or two.
Leaf was used in material that's 100% official under your own definition that you now ignore.
You haven't made a point.
Point: Game Freak, who created the character, calls her Green.
Leaf is too busy taking schizo wiener to go to Alola.
For a moment I thought their arms were interlocked. But even without that they look gay as frick not gonna lie
Good for them
>I thought their arms were interlocked
Now they are
Cute homos
when are their adult forms coming back GF it's been 7 fricking years
When the PWT gets a remake.
>the PWT project has started!
also remember when people thought the Galarian Star Tournament would be a PWT clone? all they have to do to please fans is let them battle trainers from past games, but I guess it was easier to just remove battle facilities entirely.
They'd have to create hundreds of movesets for something only 1% of players would play. Only idiots would do that
The only idiot here is you, for a multitude of reasons that anyone reading your post would understand.
30th aniversary
jojo reference?
Post moar
Leaf isn't canon. Only Blue.
Why would you bring your sister on your Honeymoon?
>Friend
Leaf(aka Green) isn't their friend, she's Red's weirdo sister.
You don't bring your insane sister on vacation, you take vacations to get away from them.
You can't say Leaf is the same as Green or the resident e-celebrity will rip your head off
poketubers are the ones that spread misinfo, not the other way around.
It only causes "confusion" because the fanbase is moronic.
green is the guy wearing green in OP. did you mean blue which is this girl wearing blue
?
in the english canon this is blue
I refuse to play along to localization thats that moronic. I feel like with all the confusion its caused they'll have to retcon the to the correct names one day right? they should've done it in FRLG.
blue and green are the same thing in japanese
I'm well aware Green is actually Blue, but sometimes you have to use the commonly accepted wording to make yourself understood.
Leaf isn't Green
>Leaf isn't Green
???
its fall now anon
What do you mean spring just started
Green isn't Leaf
yum
IMAGINE THE SEX
>Wanting to bring the diversity hire they brought in for a remake
Come on now, they're the original main characters. They can just pound local Alolan pussy if they want.
Replaced by Green in the mainline games.
She's not in gen 1, the games they were celebrating the anniversary of by bringing these characters back
PL is married to Leaf but hates Green.
Therefore, they are different.
The question isn't if Leaf and Green are different characters, but if Leaf should be her own character since she is just the female character option of Red
You could extend that to all MCs.
Why should Leaf/Red be a special case.
You guys are really getting baited hard by "these two characters who look completely different and have two different names are actually the same character."
You DO realize it's bait, right?
We're on a board with pokemon fans anon.
Never assume common sense.
>these two characters who look completely different
See
>have two different names
This is what happens when you give different companies access to an IP with a character who didn't receive a canon name until LGPE. Same thing happened with Lyra. She has a different name used by American localizers in the Crystal manual, a different name in the Ashnime, and the official canon name given by Game Freak in HGSS.
The anon arguing Leaf =/= Green is the one refusing and/or failing to engage with counterpoints
See
What counterpoint did I not address?
Actually answer this question please.
Stop replying to bait you goddamn moron.
No, in hindsight I wrongly called you out.
>engaging with counterpoints
you did do that, I should have said you were misunderstanding in your responses where I quoted you.
Not sure if I'm the one misunderstanding now because of lack of sleep/brain fog so I'm sorry for that anon & I'm dipping out of the debate. Green & Leaf are still the same character though.
All that matter is that Green is a top Pokemon character
Why didn't Red bring his girlfriend, Misty?
the schizos admit they're the same character now